Transcript: Budget Preview | May 08, 2005

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

A clip shows a gavel banging against a desk, and MPPs voting in the Legislature.

Steve says WILL THIS WEEK EVEN FOURTH
FOURTH SEEING RED.

Greg Sorbara is in in his late fifties, clean-shaven and with short curly graying hair. He wears a black suit, a striped shirt and a patterned red tie.

He says THE BUDGET IS BASED UPON OUR
PRIORITY.

Steve says HOW WILL THE ONTARIO
LIBERALS HANDLE THEIR 6
BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT
UPCOMING BUDGET?

Steve sits in the studio 3 guests.

Steve is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a black striped suit and a purple turtleneck sweater.

Steve says HI EVERYBODY I AM STEVE PAIKIN
WELCOME TO "FOURTH
READING."
FINANCE MINISTER SORBARA WILL
BRING DOWN HIS SECOND BUDGET
ON WEDNESDAY HE HAS ALREADY
CONFIRMED THERE WILL NOBODY
TAX INCREASES IN THE BUDGET
BUT HE ALSO FACES A 6 BILLION
DOLLAR DEFICIT FOR THIS YEAR.
TWO OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS
REMAIN:
HOW WILL THE LIBERALS GET THAT
DEFICIT NUMBER DOWN AND WILL
THEY STILL MAKE GOOD ON THEIR
PROMISE TO BATTLE BUDGET OVER
THE GOVERNMENT'S TERM OF
OFFICE WHICH LASTS UNTIL
OCTOBER OF 2007?

A clip rolls. Dalton is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven and with short straight brown hair. He wears a black suit, white shirt and striped burgundy tie.

Steve says THEY WILL BE NO TAXES NO
NEW TAXES IN THIS BUDGET.

Steve says ONTARIO PREMIER DALTON
MCGUINTY PROMISED TO HOLD THE
LINE ON TAX IN NEXT WEEK'S
BUDGET BUT HE WOULDN'T SAY
WHETHER HIS GOVERNMENT WILL
KEEP ITS CAMPAIGN PLEDGE TO
BATTLE BOOKS BY 2007.
OPPOSITION CRITICS SAY IT IS
NOT LIKELY.

A caption "John Tory. Ontario PC Leader."

John Tory is in his early late forties, clean-shaven and with short wavy light brown hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt and striped tie.

He says I DON'T EVEN THINK IT IS IN
REALM OF POSSIBILITY ANYMORE
GIVEN RATE AT WHICH THEY HAVE
BEEN SPENDING WHICH IS
BREAK-NECK PACE THAT EVEN
DAVID PETERSON WOULD BLUSH
GIVEN HOW THEY ARE SPENDING
MONEY.

Steve says RECENT ENHANCED DEAL WITH
DOCTORS AS WELL AS CONTRACTS
SETTLEMENTS WITH ELEMENTARY
AND SECONDARY TEACHERS ARE
EXPECTED TO COST THE
GOVERNMENT BILLIONS OF
ADDITIONAL DOLLARS.
THEN THERE IS THE MOUNTAINING
DEFICIT FIGURE.

A bar chart appears on screen under the title "2005-2006 deficit" Captions read "Government’s projected deficit: 2.1 billion dollars; Auditor’s additional deficit: additional 3.9 billion dollars."

Steve says IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET FINANCE
MINISTER GREG SORBARA PROJECTED
THE DEFICIT WOULD BE 2.1 BILLION
DOLLARS.
BUT THE PROVINCIAL AUDITOR
QUESTIONS ACCOUNTING MEASURES
AND ORDERED LIBERAL TO ADD AN
ADDITIONAL 3.9 BILLION TO THE
DEFICIT.
FOR TOTAL ANNUAL SHORTFALL OF
6 BILLION DOLLARS.

Dalton says I AM VERY MUCH LOOKING
FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO
MAKE OUR CASE ON BEHALF
ONTARIANS DIRECTLY TO THE
PRIME MINISTER.

Steve says FOR MONTHS McGUINTY HAS
BEEN ASKING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR A
DOWN PAYMENT OF 5 BILLION
DOLLARS.
WHAT HE SAID IS ON TAR SHARE
FEDERAL SURPLUS.
ALTHOUGH PRIME MINISTER YOU A
PAUL MARTIN HAS AGREED TO MEET WITH
DALTON MCGUINTY THIS WEEKEND THE
PROVINCE IS NOT COUNTING ON
FEDERAL MONEY TO REDUCE THE
DEFICIT.

Dalton says BUDGET IS YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT
PUT TO BED AT THIS POINT IN
TIME AND WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY
ASSUMPTIONS IN THIS BUDGET
WITH RESPECT TO FEDERAL
REVENUES

Steve says ALL OF THIS HAS
OBSERVERS SPECULATING TO AS
HOW ONTARIO LIBERALS PLAN TO
GET THEIR FISCAL HOUSE IN
ORDER.

The caption changes to "Christina Blizzard. The Toronto Sun."

Christina is in her late fifties, with chin length straight blond hair with bangs. She wears glasses, a white blouse and a black cardigan.

She says PEOPLE GOT TIRED OF SOME OF
THE HARSHER REMEDIES OF YOU
KNOW CUTTING SPENDING, HOLDING
THE LIKE ON TEACHER SALARIES
HOLDING THE LINE ON SOCIAL
SERVICES THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND PERHAPS THERE IS AN
APPETITE NOW TO INCREASE
SPENDING IN THAT RESPECT.
IN WHICH CASE YOU ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO -- YOU ARE GOING HAVE
RUN UP THE DEFICIT

Steve says ACCORDING TO
RECENT FOURTH READING- ENVIRONICS POLL,
43 percent OF THOSE POLLED SAID THE
GOVERNMENT SHOULD HANDLE THE
CURRENT FISCAL SITUATION BY RUNNING A
DEFICIT, 24 percent
SAID CUT SERVICES 20 percent SAID THE
GOVERNMENT SHOULD INCREASE
TAXES.
OPPOSITION CORRECT I CAN
CAUTION AGAINST DEFICIT
SPENDING.

John says WELL IT IS BORROWED MONEY IT
IS BORROWED THAT WILL HAVE TO
BE PAID BACK IN THE FUTURE OUT
OF THE FUTURE TAXATION
REVENUE.
AND SO WHEN PEOPLE -- WITH IN
INTEREST BY THE WAY WHEN
PEOPLE TAKE ANY COMFORT FROM
THE FACT OH, WELL IT IS JUST
DEFICIT THEY SHOULDN'T.

Steve says OTHERS SAY ONTARIO SHOULD
BRACE THEMSELVES FOR SPENDING
CUTS.

The caption changes to "Michael Prue. NDP Finance Critic."

Michael is in his late fifties, with short wavy gray hair and a moustache. He wears a black suit, white shirt and patterned yellow tie.

He says I THINK THEY ARE GOING CUT
A LOT OF SOCIAL PROGRAMS.
QUITE FRANKLY I THINK THAT
PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING GOOD
THINGS AROUND HOUSING, AND
THINGS AROUND CHILD CARE, AND
THE FEDERAL MONEY THAT'S
STARTING TO FLOW IN.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE THE
MONEY MATCH IT.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE MONEY
TO DO SO MANY THINGS THEY
PROGRAM SUED THEY EXPECT.

Steve says REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S IN THE
BUDGET, THE LIBERALS HAVE A
LOT RIDING ON HOW IT IS
RECEIVED.

The caption changes to "Greg Sorbara. Ontario Finance Minister."

Greg says AND OUR CHOICE, WAS, TO
IMPOSE A HEALTH CARE LEVI.

Steve says LAST YEAR THE DALTON
MCGUINTY GOVERNMENT BROKE ITS
PROMISE NOT TO RAISE TAX BY
BRINGING IN THE NEW HEALTH
CARE PREMIUM.
THE LIBERALS WERE LABELED
FIBERALS AND PLUMMETED IN THE
POLLS.

A clip shows a man reading a newspaper. An illustration of Pinocchio and the title "From Fiberals to bald-faced. Liars" appear on the front page.

Christina says THINK THE FIRST BUDGET DEFINED,
PEOPLE SEE THEM AS BEING
THE FIBERALS WHO BROKE THEIR
CARDINAL ELECTION PROMISE
WHICH WAS NOT TO HIKE TAXES.
I THINK THEY CAN MITIGATE
THAT SOMEWHAT IN NEXT WEEK'S
BUDGET BUT IT IS GOING TO BE
VERY DIFFICULT.

Greg says I CAN SAY THAT THE BUDGET
IS BASED UPON OUR PRIORITY.
OUR PRIORITY ARE HEALTH CARE,
EDUCATION.
A STRONGER ECONOMY.
AND SOUND FINANCIAL
MANAGEMENT.

Steve says OKAY.
WITH ALL OF THIS PRE-BUDGET
SPECULATION IN THE AIR WE DECIDED
TO ASK OUR RESIDENT
EXPERTS WHAT THEY WOULD DO IF
THEY WERE IN SORBARA PLACE
AND COUPLE OF THEM ACTUALLY
WERE NOT THIS GUY ACTUALLY,
SEAN CONWAY, BUT JANET
ECKER, FORMER FINANCE
MINISTER FOR ERNIE EAVES AND
THIS WEEK FLOYD LAUGHREN.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
BEFORE I ASK EACH OF YOU TO
TELL US WHAT THREE MAIN
HIGHLIGHTS WOULD BE FEATURE OF
YOUR BUDGET WHERE YOU BRING IT
DOWN NEXT WEEK I WANT TO ASK
YOU JUST WHAT WOULD BE
OVERARCHING THEME OR PRIORITY
OF WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
SEAN START US OFF?

The caption changes to "Sean Conway. Former Liberal Cabinet Minister."

Sean is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven and with short straight light brown hair. He wears glasses, a blue suit, blue shirt and striped burgundy tie.

He says WELL IT BEING ON THAT ARE
JOE I WOULD STRESS BALANCE,
AND SINCE THIS IS LIBERAL
GOVERNMENT IT HAS TO BE A
BALANCED THAT TILTS IN THE
DIRECTION OF INVESTING HEALTH
CARE AND EDUCATION ON THE ONE
HAND.
BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
BALANCE IS YOU HAVE GOT TO
WATCH THAT DEFICIT NUMBER.

Steve says OKAY.
JANET ECKER?

The caption changes to "Janet Ecker. Former PC Cabinet Minister."

Janet is in her late forties, with short straight blond hair. She wears glasses, a white blouse, a black blazer and a pin.

She says WELL I THINK FIRST OF ALL
WHALE WE NEED TO SEE FROM THEM
IS A PLAN FOR MANAGING THEIR FINANCES I
MEAN THE FINANCE MINISTER JUST
SAID SOUND FINANCIAL
MANAGEMENT.
WE HAVE YET TO SEE THAT.
THE DEFICIT GOING UP.
THEY HAVE PROMISED TO BALANCE
THE BUDGET WE HAVE NOT SEEN
THE PLAN TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK THE OTHER POINT
WHEN PEOPLE SORT OF DECIDE
WHETHER THEY WANT TO HAVE
DEFICITS OR NOT DEFICITS, IT
IS NOT SO MUCH SOMETHING THAT
HAS TO BE PAID BACK IN THE
FUTURE.
WE ARE PAYING FOR IT TODAY
WITH INCREASED INTEREST COSTS
SO INCREASE -- DOLLARS THAT GO
INTEREST OPPOSED TO GOING TO
OTHER PROGRAMS THEY MIGHT
HAVE.
SO THE PLAN FOR DOING THAT THE
SECOND THING; THE PLANT FOR
IMPROVING QUALITY IN
EDUCATION.
POST SECONDARY
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RAY
REPORT.

Steve says HOLD ON.
WE ARE GOING FOR OVER ARCHING
THEMES.
OF YOUR BUDGET WERE YOU TO
BRING IT IN NEXT WEEK?

The caption changes to "Floyd Laughren. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."

Floyd is in his seventies, clean-shaven and with short straight white hair. He wears a gray, striped shirt and patterned tie.

He says I WOULD MAKE IT AN EDUCATION
BUDGET FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE, THE RAE REPORT ON POST
SECONDARY WHICH HANGING OUT
THERE AND COMMITMENT THEY HAVE
TO CARRY FORWARD WITH ANY WAY.
SO WHY NOT MAKE IT ONE OF
OVERARCHING ASPECTS OF THE
BUDGET.
AND SECONDLY THEY HAVE ALREADY
MADE MAJOR COMMITMENTS INTO
THE EDUCATIONAL TO TEACHERS AND
SO WHY NOT BUILD ON THAT SINCE
YOU HAVE ALREADY GOT MONEY OUT
THERE AT LEAST MADE COMMITMENT
TO IT.

Steve says OKAY.
LET'S GET MORE SPECIFIC NOW WE
HAVE ASK ASKED ALL THREE YOU
BEFORE THE PROGRAM STARTED TO
COME UP WITH SORT OF THREE
PRETTY SPECIFIC PROGRAM IDEAS
THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FEATURE OF
YOUR BUDGETS.
SO SEAN GET US STARTED.
THREE IDEAS.

Sean says WELL THE THREE IDEAS THAT I
WOULD LOOK TO WOULD BE FIRSTLY
I WOULD LOOK AT THE WHOLE AREA
OF THE LABOUR FORCE AND
PARTICULARLY THE NEED FOR A
SKILLED LABOUR FORCE AS WE
MOVE FORWARD INTO THE NEXT
NUMBER OF YEARS BECAUSE,
MINISTER SORBARA RIGHTLY
POINTED OUT THAT HE WANTS TO
EMPHASIZE STRONG ECONOMIC
GROWTH.
WELL I WILL TELL YOU IT WILL
BE VERY HARD TO ACHIEVE THE
KIND OF ECONOMIC GROWTH IN
THIS PROVINCE THAT WE ALL WANT
IF WE DON'T HAVE THE KIND OF
SKILLED LABOUR FORCE.

Steve says WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

Sean says I WOULD BE LOOKING AT AREAS
LIKE APPRENTICESHIP AND
SKILLED TRADES DEVELOPMENT AS
SPECIFIC INITIATIVE TYING BOTH
EDUCATION AND THE ECONOMIC
AGENDAS TOGETHER.
SECONDLY, I WOULD -- THIS IS
PART OF MY OWN VIEW FROM
EASTERN ONTARIO.
BUT, THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN
THE PROVINCE IS UNEVEN WE ARE
INCREASINGLY SEEING TWO
ONTARIANS TWO ONTARIOS THAT
PARTICULARLY URBAN ONTARIO BUT
THE GTA GREATER TORONTO AREA.
AND I WOULD LOOK TO SOME
SPECIFIC THINGS IN THIS BUDGET
TO ASSIST IN PERHAPS MORE
MEANINGFUL WAYS RURAL AND
NORTHERN ONTARIO.
BECAUSE THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS
ARE NOT BEING EQUALLY
DISTRIBUTED ACROSS PROVINCE NO
WITHSTANDING GOOD EFFORTS OF
GOVERNMENTS EVERYWHERE.
RURAL ONTARIO WILL NEED SOME
ADDITIONAL ECONOMIC ATTENTION
AND ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I
THINK I WOULD LOOK TO THERE IS
FOR EXAMPLE SOME OF THE
TRANSPORTATION NED WOKE AND
PERHAPS SOME OF THE
EDUCATIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN
NORTHERN AND RURAL ONTARIO.

Steve says NUMBER THREE?

Sean says AND NUMBER THREE, ONE OF THE
CHALLENGES I THINK ALL
PROVINCIAL FINANCE MINISTERS
AND ALL PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENTS
ARE FACING IS WITH HEALTH CARE
AND EDUCATION TAKING OVER 60 percent
OF YOUR PROGRAM DOLLARS HOW DO
WE FINANCE THE NON EDUCATION
AND MELT CARE PART OF THE
BUDGET, AND ONE OF THINGS THAT
I WOULD BE LOOKING TO SEE
WHETHER OR NOT BY MAYBE USE
PUBLIC SECTOR PENSION FUNDS I
COULD FIND SOME RELATED
FINANCING FOR SOME PUBLIC
WORKS FINANCING THAT TOOK SOME
OF THE PRESSURE OFF THE
CONVENTIONAL SLIT DATED
REVENUE FUND BECAUSE WITH
HEALTH CARE GROWING AT 2 AND 3
TIMES REVENUE GROWTH AND
EDUCATION IS BOTH JANET AND
FLOYD AND I WOULD AGREE I
THINK IT IS GOING TO FEATURE
IN THIS BUDGET AS WELL.
WE HAVE GOT TO FOUND A WAY TO
FINANCE THE NON HEALTH CARE
AND EDUCATION PORTIONS OF THE
BUDGET.
THAT ARE INCREASINGLY BEING
SHORT CHANGED.

Steve says DIDN'T JANUARY ETCETERA
PARTY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT
CALLED SUPER BILLED?

Sean says WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND
LOOK AT FINDING WAYS
TO FINANCE SOME OF THOSE IS
INITIATIVES THIS JUST SIMPLY TO THE
GETTING THEIR SHARE OF
GOVERNMENT DOLLAR.

Steve says WE HAVE MISTER SPEAKER HERE
TODAY, TREASURY THANK YOU FOR
BRINGING DOWN YOUR BUDGET WE
HAVE TWO OPPOSITION MEMBERS
HERE WHO WANT HAVE TO KICK AT
IT.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SAY?

Janet says WELL, YOU KNOW I THINK ONE OF
THE PROBLEMS WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT WANTING TO DO BETTER
INFRASTRUCTURE PUBLIC PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIPS I MEAN AGREE WITH
YOU.
THAT SHOULD BE DONE.
BUT, IT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT
FOR THAT TO BE DONE YOU KNOW
WITH THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT
THAT HAS BEEN DUMPING ALL OVER
AND ANYBODY'S ATTEMPT TO HAVE
A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
SO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A
GOVERNMENT THAT ACTUALLY WANTS
TO DO IT.
UNDERSTANDS THE NECESSITY FOR
IT AND IS IT PREPARED TO STAND
UP AND DEFEND IT.

Steve says YOU DON'T THINK THEY DO?

Janet says NO I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY
EVIDENCE OF THE AT ALL.

Steve says HAVE YOU ALARMED NONE THE
THREE PRIORITIES OR THREE MAIN
IDEAS DEFENDANT WRIT REDUCTION
IS NOT ON THE LIST?

Janet says WELL AGAIN LIBERAL DOES NOT
SURPRISE ME.
BUT I THINK -- THE COUPLE
THINGS.
I MEAN YOU NEED TO PAY
ATTENTION TO JOBS AND GROWTH I
MEAN SEAN TALKED ABOUT IS IT
RURALLY I THINK OVERALL YOU
NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR
FISCAL MANAGEMENT AND TAX
STRUCTURE AND YES YOU NEED TO
TAKE A LOOK EDUCATION SYSTEM
HOW DO YOU SUPPORT THE SKILLED
WORKFORCE OUT THERE HOW DO YOU
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE GOT QUALITY
IN YOUR KINDERGARTEN TO 12 AND IN YOUR
POST SECONDARY INSTITUTIONS.
WHEN WE WITH ARE SEEING SO FAR
TODAY IS A GREAT TENDENCY TO
WANT TO BUY PEACE WITH
THE UNIONS THEY ARE PUTTING
LOTS OF MONEY OUT FLOYD IS
RIGHT THERE ALL -- OVER
BILLION DOLLARS IS GOING OUT
IN SALARIES.
AND TO MORE TEACHERS.
BUT WHERE IS THE RIG GORE TO
ENSURE THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING
TO WORK?

Steve says LET'S GET FLOYD AS TAKE?

Floyd says I DON'T THINK IT IS A
POLITICAL ENOUGH DOCUMENT THE
WAY SEAN IS TALKING ABOUT.
BECAUSE, AFTER ALL, THE BUDGET
WHILE IT IS AN EXPECTING
STATEMENT IT IS HIGHLY
POLITICAL DOCUMENT AND I THINK
THAT WHAT SEAN HAS PROPOSED IS
NOT POLITICAL ENOUGH.
I DON'T THINK IT DEALS WITH
THE ISSUES THAT WILL CREATE
RESPONSE TO PEOPLE OUT THERE
THAT YOU WANT YOUR BUDGET TO
STIMULATE.
AND I THINK THAT WHERE I WOULD
FIND FAULT WITH IT FOR EXAMPLE,
THE RURAL NORTHERN EASTERN BIT,
THAT IS -- WELL WHILE THAT
MAYBE -- I AM NOT SHOOTING
DOWN SEAN'S IDEAS IN TERMS OF
FAIRNESS BUT I AM IN TERMS OF
IT BEING POLITICALLY
ACCEPTABLE.
OUT THERE.
AND IF I WAS SEAN'S PREMIER I
WOULD SAY, GO BACK TO THE
DRAWING BOARD AND REMEMBER,
THIS IS A POLITICAL AS WELL AS
AN ECONOMIC DOCUMENT.
AND I THINK SEAN'S FORGOTTEN
THAT.

Steve says LAST WORD TO MISTER CONWAY ON HIS
BUDGET.

Sean says I AM VERY HAPPY TO BE
CHASTISED BY MY FRIENDS HERE.
BECAUSE, CERTAINLY, I AM JUST
OFFERING THREE IDEAS.
THAT I THINK I WOULD WANT TO
ADVANCE IN A BUDGET
DISCUSSION.
I AM ASSUMING TWO OR THREE
THINGS.
I AM ASSUMING IS THAT THERE IS
IT -- THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY
POLITICAL.
I AM ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE
GOING TO BE AS BOTH THE
PREMIER AND THE FINANCE
MINISTER SAID IN THE CLIP THAT
YOU SHOWED EARLIER, THAT THERE
GOING TO BE VERY TARGETED
INVESTMENTS IN HEALTH CARE AND
EDUCATION.
I AM ASSUMING THEY ARE GOING
TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE
DEFICIT LINE AND I HAVE BEEN
AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW.

Steve says THAT'S WHY IT WAS
NOT MENTIONED.

Jane says HE ASSUMED THAT.

Sean says HANG ON.
KNOWING THAT BUDGET DAY SOME
TIMES PRODUCES NUMBERS THAT
YOU KNOW ARE SURPRISING.

Steve says OKAY.
JANET ECKER THREE ITEMS FROM
YOUR BUDGET PLEASE

Janet says I THINK I
HAVE COVERED SOME OF THEM BUT
I THINK FIRST OF ALL ONE OF
THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO IN A
BUDGET YOU GOT TO SHOW YOU
HAVE GOT A PLAN TO MOVE
FORWARD STEP BY STEP.
SO YES, GET BACK IN TO
BALANCED BUDGET STATUS THAT'S
VERY, VERY IMPORTANT OR YOU
ARE GOING TO LOSE THE ABILITY
TO DEAL WITH THE PRIORITY THAT
YOU HAVE.

Steve says YOU COULDN'T BALANCE IT ALL
IN ONE YEAR COULD YOU?

Janet says NO, YOU COULDN'T.
BUT, THEY ARE MAKING IT WORSE.
I MEAN IT IS GETTING WORSE NOT
BETTER.
SO THAT'S IMPORTANT.
JOBS AND GROWTH AGENDA.
AGAIN LOOKING AT YOUR TAX
STRUCTURE WHAT'S GOING TO HELP
CREATE JOBS AND GROWTH OUT
THERE?
DELIVERING ON THE QUALITY
IMPROVEMENTS IN EDUCATION
THROUGH ENTIRE SECTOR BOB RAE
HAD SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS
THERE BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO
GET BACK TO SOME OF THE CORE
QUALITY INITIATIVES THEY
TALKED ABOUT IN THE ELECTION.
AND THAT ARE NOT MOVING
FORWARD WITH IN THE K TO 12
AGENDA FORCE THERE WILL WAS
PROGRAM IN PLACE TO TRY AND
GET TEACHERS TO BE ABLE TO
TEACH BETTER.
THEY SCRAPPED THAT.
THEY HAVE NOT REPLACED IT WITH
ANYTHING ELSE AND IF YOU DON'T
GET YOUR EDUCATION SYSTEM
RIGHT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO
HAVE THE SKILLED WORKFORCE
THAT SEAN TALKED ABOUT.
SO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT THE
THIRD PIECE IF THEY NEED
FINISH WE NEED TO FINISH THE
REFORM IN HEALTH CARE.
AND A LOW SOME INNOVATION IN
THE SYSTEM PEOPLE PAY WITH
THEIR O HIP CARD NOT VISA CARD
BUT, OTHER THAN THAT, LET'S
LOOK AT WHAT IS CREATIVELY
SOLVE THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN
HEALTH CARE.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T

Floyd says OH, NO.

Justin says WE CAN'T SHOVING MONEY OUT
THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DONE AS
AGAIN SEAN SAYS WE ARE EATING
UP EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE
BUDGET.
AND WE NEED HEALTH CARE WE
NEED TO MEET THE CHALLENGE OF
THE AGING POPULATIONS BUT WE
CAN'T DO IT AT BY FISCALLY
SACRIFICING EVERYTHING ELSE.

Steve says I HAVE GOT -- WE WILL SAVE
COMMENTARY THAN FOR LATER
LET'S GO RIGHT TO FLOYD FOR
YOUR BUDGET.

Floyd says WELL, I ALREADY STATED THAT
I THOUGHT EDUCATION SHOULD BE
THE FOUNDATION FOR IT AND
LARGELY BECAUSE RAE
COMMISSION REPORT WHICH THEY
HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON IN MY VIEW
AND ALSO BECAUSE OF MONEY
THAT'S ALREADY COMMITTED.
THE OTHER TWO THINGS THAT I
WOULD HAVE AS PRIORITY BECAUSE
I DON'T THINK THIS CAN BE VERY
HIGH SPENDING BUDGET.
FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.
SO I THE OTHER TWO THAT I PUT
OUT THERE BECAUSE IT IS
POLITICAL DOCUMENT.
WOULD NOT COST A LOT OF MONEY.
ONE WOULD BE ENERGY.
THEY NEED TO DEAL WITH ENERGY AS PARTICULARLY ON THE
ELECTRICITY SIDE TO LAY OUT
THE GOVERNMENT'S PLAN FOR WHAT
THEY INTEND AND SEAN IS AN
EXPERT ON THIS.
WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO WITH
THE SUPPLY SIDE.
AND SECONDLY, WHAT THEY INTEND
TO DO WITH THE OWNERSHIP OF WHAT
ONTARIO NOW OWNS IN THE
PUBLIC SECTOR.
THE ONTARIO POWER GENERATION
AND THE HYDRO ONE WHICH IS...

Steve says LET ME PUSH YOU ON THERE BALLS
ARE FORMER SHARP OF ONTARIO
ENERGY BOARD.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT THEY HAVE
TO SIGN POSTS CLEARLY, 40
BILLION DOLLARS FOR NUCLEAR
POWER HERE IT IS.

Floyd says NO I DON'T THINK THEY NEED
TO DO THAT.
BUT THE SIGNAL THEY HAVE
TO SEND WHO IS GOING TO DO IT.
IS IT GOING TO BE THE
GOVERNMENT?
OR IS IT GOING TO BE THE PRIVATE
SECTOR THAT BRINGS IN THE
NEW ASPECTS OF THE ENERGY
SUPPLY I THINK THEY HAVE TO GET
THAT SIGNAL OUT THERE WHAT
THEY INTEND DO.
PERSONALLY I’D LIKE TO SEE THEM
KEEP WHAT THEY HAVE GOT NOW IN
THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
AND ALLOW SOME NEW MONEY TO
COME IN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
FOR THE SUPPLY.
NOT FOR THE DISTRIBUTION
THAT'S MONOPOLY.
I THINK THEY REMAINS AS
MONOPOLY IN TUB PUBLIC SECTOR.
SO ENERGY WOULD BE ONE.
AND BY THE WAY, IF WHEN THEY
DO BRING IN THEIR ENERGY
PLAN THERE GOING HAVE TO BE
INCREASE IN PRICE FOR
CONSERVATION PURPOSES AND SO
FORTH.
SO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE
PACKAGE THERE THAT PROTECTS
LOW INCOMERS FROM THE HIGHER ENERGY COST
AND THAT COULD BE PART OF THE BUDGET AS
WELL.
NUMBER 2.
NUMBER 2.

Steve says EDUCATION ONE AND ENERGY TWO
WHAT'S NUMBER THREE.

Floyd says OKAY.
YOU ARE RIGHT.
NEVER MIND.
I KNEW THAT WAS COMING NUMBER
THREE WAS CHILD CARE.
AND PARTLY AS I SAY BECAUSE OF
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT I THINK
BEING PREPARED TO SIGN A DEAL
WITH ONTARIO.
ON CHILD CARE SUPPORT.
AND I THINK ONTARIO NEEDS TO
GET ITS MACHINERY IN GEAR ON
CHILD CARE SO, STALLED AS I
SEE IT AND SO THINK THAT...
AND THAT WOULD NOT COST THEM A
LOT OF MONEY.
WITH THE FEDS IN THEIR AS
PARTNER PUTTING IN LOT OF
MONEY SO THESE ARE THE THREE
THAT I WOULD HIGHLIGHT.

Steve says OKAY.
IN TERMS OF ENERGY, BECAUSE
YOU GUYS WERE YOU ENERGY
CRITIC FOR THE LIBERALS AND YOU
WERE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE OE.

He points at Sean first and then Floyd.

Steve says BE WHAT DO YOU THINK LIBERALS
HAVE TO DOW WHY IS SIGN POSTS
WHERE YOU ARE GOING ON ENERGY
MUCH MORE CLEARLY THAN THEY
HAVE SO FAR?

Sean says WELL I SOME PRETTY GUTSY
DECISION BUT...

Floyd says LIKE WHAT?

Sean says WELL THEY FOR EXAMPLE MOVED
VERY QUICKLY TO TAKE PRICE CAP
OFF.
AND.

Steve says THAT WAS A YEAR AGO.

Sean says THERE I AGREE WITH FLOYD.
THE PRICES HAVE GONE UP.
AND WE HAD SOME ODD WEATHER IN
PEAK SEASONS THAT HAVE KIND
KEY PRESSED POTENTIAL IMPACT I
DON'T DISAGREE WE NEED TO DO
MORE PARTICULARLY TO INTRODUCE
PEOPLE TO THE REALITIES OF THE
CONSERVATION CULTURE.
PART OF IT IS PRICING.
PART THAT IS PROTECTION FOR
LOW INCOME TO FIX BUT PART OF
IT ALSO IS GETTING RIGHT
INCENTIVES INTO THE SYSTEM.
THE GOVERNMENT IS TALKING
ABOUT SMART METERS WELL THEY
WILL HAVE TO GET ON WITH THAT
OBVIOUSLY.
BUT I TELL YOU, LOOKING AT...
AND ONE OF POINTS FLOYD POINT
ABOUT ENERGY I THINK TAKES
KNEE BACK TO WHAT I WAS
THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF
SOME OF THE NEW RELATIONSHIPS
WE HAVE BIG ONTARIO-BASED
PUBLIC SECTION PUBLIC SECTOR
PENSION FUNDS MAKING
SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN
ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE IN
EUROPE.
I JUST THINK THAT WE
SHOULD BE LOOK AT DOING MORE
OF THAT UNDER VERY CONTROLLED
CONDITIONS HERE IN ONTARIO.
BECAUSE, THEY WOULD TELL YOU
WE NEED TO INVEST BILLIONS
IN NEW SUPPLY AND IN UPGRADED
TRANSMISSION.

Steve says THIS HAS BEEN SO MUCH FUN
WE ARE LITERALLY DOWN TO OUR
LAST MINUTE MERE.
I WANT TO PURSUE JOB-GROWTH
AGENDA WITH YOU DOES THAT
EQUAL TAX CUTS?

Janet says WELL, I THINK THAT YOU HAVE
TO LOOK AT YOUR -- WHERE YOU
ARE COMPETITIVELY IN YOUR TAX
STRUCTURE.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DEEP
EXPECTING WHEN YOU RAISE TAX
TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS.
I MEAN WE HAVE HAD A BIG TAX
INCREASE HERE IN ONTARIO WITH
HEALTH TAX.
YOU KNOW THEY SAID THEY
WOULDN'T DO IT WE HAVE PUT
BACK INCREASED TAX ON THE
BUSINESS SIDE.

Steve says CAN YOU CUT TAX TODAY?

Janet says I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE
ECONOMIC GROWTH SLOW DOWN, IF
YOU HAVE A COMPETITIVE TAX
STRUCTURE YOU ARE ATTRACTING
JOBS HERE YOU CAN CREATE MORE
WEALTH.
NOW YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW
FAST YOU DO WHICH ONE YOU DO
IT BUT HIGHER TAX DOES NOT
GUARANTEE YOU MORE REVENUE
COMING IN THE DOOR.

Steve says LET ME ASK FINANCE MINISTER
IN THIS PROVINCE THAT CUT TAX
FIRST, FLOYD, YOU DID.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CUT
EMPLOYER HEALTH TAX FIRST ARE
BOOKS IN A POSITION WHERE
TAXES COULD BE CUT FURTHER?

Floyd says IN MY VIEW NO.
ALTHOUGH I NOTICE JOHN TORY,
IS IT GOING TO TAKE 2.5
BILLION WHEN HE CAN YELLS THE
HEALTH PREMIUM.
NOW, YOU TELL ME.

Sean says THAT'S WHAT HE SAYS HE WILL
DO.

Floyd says YES I THINK THAT'S 2.3 OR 2.4
BILLION THAT'S A CUT OF 2.3 OR
4 BILLION RIGHT OUT OF THE
HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
PRESUMABLY.
NOW I DON'T KNOW HOW IS
GOING TO DO THAT.
THAT'S MAJOR TAX CUT.

Janet says AND YOU LOOK WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT JOBS AND GROWTH I MEAN,
THEY HAVE INCREASED PRICE KNEE
ELECTRICITY AND INCREASED TAX.
THEY HAVE INCREASED MINIMUM
WAGE THERE IS WHOLE RANGE OF
THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DONE AND
GET WHAT?
ONTARIO ECONOMIC GROWTH IS
STARTING TO LAG OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
THAT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT.
AND IF -- YOU GO DOWN THAT
ROAD WE HAVE BEEN THERE WITH
ALL RESPECT UNDER LIBERALS AND
NDP WE CAN'T AFFORD DOW IT
AGAIN AND THEY NEED TO GET
THAT BACK ON TRACK.

Steve says ON THAT NOTE I WILL SAY
THANK YOU TO THREE YOU.
FLOYD THANK YOU FOR MAKE TRIP
DOWN.
AND WE DO HAVE MORE
INFORMATION ON THE UPCOMING
BUDGET.
THIS TIME FROM THE BACK
ROOM LEGISLATURE.
SO WE WELCOME BACK OUR QUEEN'S
PARK BUREAU CHIEF SUSANNA KELLEY AND CBC
RADIO ROBERT FISHER ON THIS
EDITION OF BACK ROOM 411.

(music plays)

A clip captioned "Backroom 411" shows very fast clips of Ernie Eaves and other politicians giving speeches and press conferences. Then, Susanna Kelley and Robert Fisher walk down a long hallway and past a glass-paned door.

The clip ends, and Susanna and Robert sit in the studio with Steve.

Steve says OKAY ROBERT AND SUSAN LET'S
CONTINUE OUR PRIX BUDGET
ANALYSIS OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE
HEARING IN THE BACK HAULS.
IS YOUR PHONE BEEN RINGING
AND IF SO WHAT ARE YOU
HEARING?

The caption changes to "Susanna Kelley. Queen’s Park Bureau Chief."
Susanna is in her forties, with short blond hair bangs. She’s wearing a white top and a white jacket.

She says WELL I AM HEARING SOME
THINGS AND IT IS INTERESTING
THAT PANEL REFERRED EARLIER TO
INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT IS WHAT I AM HEARING
ABOUT.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME
LIBERAL THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE
THAT AS ONE OF THE MAIN FOCUS
OF THE BUDGET.

Steve says IT IS EXPENSIVE STUFF.

Susanna says VERY EXPENSIVE STUFF.
AND DAVID CAPLANDED MINISTER
PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN
SAYING FOR SOME TIME THAT WE
HAVE GOT INFRASTRUCTURE
DEFICIT OF ABOUT 100 BILLION
DOLLARS HOW DO YOU SQUARE THAT
WITH THE 6 BILLION DOLLAR
DEFICIT?
WHEN YOU ARE BRINGING DOWN A
BUDGET.
I THINK ONE OF THE CLUES IS IF
YOU TAKE A LOOK ON THEIR WEB
SITE THERE IS A DOCUMENT
CALLED BUILDING A BETTER
TOMORROW AND THEY TALK ABOUT
PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
AND.

Steve says WHERE HAVE WE HEARD THAT
BEFORE BECOME.

Susanna says YES.
SUPER BILL.
BY THE TORIES.
OF COURSE.
THEY WERE GOING TO -- THEY PUT
IN TEN BILLION DOLLARS THAT
WAS GOING TO LEVERAGE 20
BILLION FROM PRIVATE SECTOR
NEVER WORKED I AM TOLD BECAUSE
IT WAS ACTUALLY IT WAS NOT
PRIVATE SECTOR DIDN'T WANT TO
GO AHEAD ABOUT PROJECT BUT
BUREAUCRACY HELD IT UP AND HELD
IT UP AND HELD IT UP AND NEVER
HAPPENED SO I GUESS WOULD HAVE
TO SEE HOW THESE GUYS FARE IT
The caption changes to "Robert Fisher. Provincial Affairs Specialist."
Robert is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair.
He’s wearing a black suit, white shirt, and pink tie.

He says THIS IS GOING TO BE THE
HOUDINI BUDGET WATCH THE
DOVE WHILE I TAKE THE COINS.
IT IS MISS DIRECTION
INFRASTRUCTURE IS IT COVERING
OVER WHAT THEY CANNOT DO.
REALITY IS THAT BY 2007, THEY
HAVE TO CONVINCE THE VOTERS OF
ONTARIO OF TWO THINGS.
THAT HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION
ARE BETTER THAN THEY WERE WHEN
THE GOVERNMENT TOOK OFFICE.
IF THEY CAN'T DO THAT, THEN
DALTON MCGUINTY WOULD BE BACK
PRACTICING LAW AN ORDER.
AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT
BUDGET FOR THEM TO START
GUIDING IN THAT BECAUSE WE ARE
VERY CLOSE TO AN ELECTION THE
TIME WILL FLY BY 2007 WILL BE
THERE IN SNAP OF FINGERS THEY
ONE BAD BUDGET.
YOU GET ONE ASK FLOYD HE IS
NOW PANELLIST ON TV ONTARIO,
AND.

Steve says THAT'S NOT BAD.

Robert says YOU KNOW IT IS GOOD THING I
AM SORRY.
BUT YOU GET ONE BAD CRACK AT
IT AS YOU WELL KNOW AND THEN
YOU GOT START BUILDING GOOD
BUDGETS BECAUSE YOU ARE
GETTING CLOSER TO AN ELECTION
DAY.

Susanna says I THINK ONE THING IS WE
ALSO MIGHT SEE SOME MONEY
SPENT ON POST SECONDARY
EDUCATION.
THE PREMIER MADE COMMITMENT
WHEN BOB RAE BROUGHT HIS
REPORT DOWN THAT THIS BUDGET
WOULD SEE SOME SPENDING ON
THAT.
THAT'S GOING TO BE TRICKY
BECAUSE, OF COURSE, ALSO
THEY HAVE MADE COMMITMENT IF
THEY DOW PUBLIC PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIPS IN INFRASTRUCTURE,
THAT THEY WOULDN'T DO BRING
THE PRIVATE SECTOR INTO
ANYTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH.
OR EDUCATION OR WATER SO IT
WILL BE INTERESTING WHERE THEY
ARE GOING TO FIND MONEY FOR
THAT.

Robert says THE QUESTION OBVIOUSLY
ABOUT TUITIONS MISTER RAE WOULD
LIKE HOME GO UP AT THIS
TESTIMONY I TELL ME PEOPLE
DAUGHTER AND MONEY ARE
UNIVERSITY OF OTTAWA.
A LOT OF PARENTS WOULD
SAY THE SAME THING.
IT IS GOING TO BE VERY
DELICATE BALANCING ACT FOR
GREG SORBARA AND AGAIN, THE
CRITICAL BUDGET FOR THIS
GOVERNMENT LEADING UP TO AN
ELECTION.

Steve says I THINK DALTON MCGUINTY WOULD
LIKE TO GET TUITION DOWN BIT
SAYS HE NEEDS SOME HELP FROM
HIS FRIENDS IN OTTAWA TO MAKE
THAT HAPPEN.

Robert says WELL WE WILL SEE THE CHECK
STILL COMING I BET CLOSER WE
GET TO FEDERAL CONSULTATION
WITH THE PUBLIC, THE CLOSER
THAT MONEY IS GOING TO BE.

Steve says LET US TALK ABOUT SOMETHING
THAT WE DON'T GENERALLY TALK A
LOT ABOUT ON THIS PROGRAM.
PERHAPS BECAUSE WE DON'T
THINK THE PUBLIC ALL THAT
INTERESTED.
BUT WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE
SOME SENSE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
ON IN THE BACK ROOMS THAT THEY
DON'T SEE YOU KNOW ON REST OF
THE NEWT CASTS ON DAILY
NEWSPAPER AND THAT IS SOME OF
THE SUBTLE OR NOT SO SUBTLE
PRESSURE THAT IS BROUGHT TO
BEAR ON REPORTER IN ORDER TO
MAKE STORIES ABOUT THE
GOVERNMENT EARNING PARTY DAY
BETTER.
WHAT'S HAPPENING?

Susanna says WELL I THINK WHAT IS -- YOU
KNOW THE BUZZ AROUND QUEEN'S
PARK IS THAT YOU ARE SEEING A
GOVERNMENT THAT IS GOING INTO
BUNKER MODE.
AND THE EVIDENCE OF THAT IS
HOW THEY ARE RELATING TO
REPORTERS.
VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH
REPORTERS.
PHONING REPORTERS, AND SAYING
YOU KNOW WHY DID YOU RUN THAT
CLIP OF THAT MINISTER?
WHY DIDN'T YOU RETURN THE
CLUTCH MY MINISTER.
WHY ARE YOU WRITING THAT STORY
WITH THAT SLANT THEY PHONED US
THREE TIMES JUST WITHIN THE
LAST MONTH OR SO GONE INTO THE
OFFICE OF MAJOR NEWSPAPER.
CHEWED OUT REPORTER THERE.
FOR A STORY THAT REPORTER DID.
SEEING YOUR MINISTER PHONING
SOURCE AND SAYING, DON'T TALK
TO CERTAIN REPORTER THEY ARE
UNTRUSTWORTHY.
BLANKET CALLS FOR INSTANCE
DURING THE GREEN BELT CRISIS.
TO MANY DEVELOPERS SAYING
DON'T TALK TO THE MEDIA.
AT ALL.
MINISTER SORBARA, THIS WEEK,
EVERYBODY NOTICED IN SCRUMS
REFUSING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS
BY CHRISTINA BLIZZARD WHO
COINCIDENTLY HAD WRITTEN SOME
NOT VERY FLATTERING THINGS
ABOUT HIM.
THE PREMIER HERITAGE DINNER.
THIS YEAR.
NEVER HAS THIS HAPPENED BEFORE
WHERE THEY HAVE TOLD REPORTERS
TO LEAVE AFTER CERTAIN POINT.
COME IN AND COVER THE EXPECT
SPEECH HERE NEWS CONFERENCE BY
THE WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME
OVER AND HAVE SOME PICTURES
PREMIER SHAKING HANDS YOU GOT
THEM TIME TO GO.

Robert says THAT IS WITH A ALLOW
DEVELOPERS TO COME IN.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT
HISTORICALLY I THINK THERE
ALWAYS BEEN A VERY DIFFICULT
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
GOVERNMENTS AND THE PRESS
GALLERY.
YOU NOPE WE NEED THEM AND THEY
NEED US.
AND SOME TIMES YOU KNOW
GOVERNMENTS GO OVERBOARD.
I THINK WE HAVE INSTANCES HERE
ALL OF US HAD PERSONAL CALLS
PERSONALLY EXAMPLES OF WHAT'S
GOING ON.
THE REALITY IS THIS CANNOT WIN
IN THIS KIND OF THING AND THEY
KNOW THAT AND REPAIRING
RELATIONSHIPS IS GOING TO HAVE
TO START THE TORIES PAID
TERRIBLE PRICE FOR THAT.
AND I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU ARE
GOING HAVE SEE THE GOVERNMENT
STOP THIS KIND OF THING BECAUSE IT
IS NO-WIN SITUATION.

Steve says ANYTHING HAPPENS CBC RADIO?

Robert says WE HAVE A REPORTER CALLED BY
ONE PARTICULAR MINISTER.
OFFICE COMPLAINING THAT WE ARE
TRYING MAKE MINISTER LOOK
FOOLISH.
MINISTER IN FACT DID LOOK
FOOLISH HAD SAID SOMETHING
BASED ON GOODNESS KNOWS WHAT. IT WAS
REPORTED VERY STRAIGHT AND YET
THERE WITH A PHONE CALL FROM THAT
MINISTER SAYING
YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE HIM
LOOK FOOLISH.
AND YOU DON'T WIN IN THINGS
LIKE THAT AND I THINK
ULTIMATELY THERE ARE PEOPLE
AROUND PREMIER THAT KNOW THAT.
AND THEY ARE GOING TO BACK
OFF.

Susanna says YOU KNOW I ALWAYS SAID ABOUT
QUEEN'S PARK THE REASON PEOPLE
ARE SO PARANOID AROUND QUEEN'S
PARK THERE IS A LOT TO BE
PARANOID ABOUT.
THERE IS A LOT OF POLITICAL
DOG FIGHTS GOING ON ALL OF THE
TIME.
BUT USUALLY, GOVERNMENTS DO
NOT GET IN TO THIS BUNKER
MENTALITY IN THIS PARANOID
MENTALITY UNTIL YOU KNOW MAYBE
SIX OR SEVEN YEARS IN WHEN
THEY ARE DOWN IN THE POLLS AND
THIS IS WAY THEY REACT.
I THINK EVERYBODY IS LOOKING
AT THIS GOVERNMENT AND SAYING
THEY ARE NOT EVEN TWO YEARS IN
AND THEY ARE ALREADY DOING
THIS?

Robert says BUT THEY’RE UNDER ATTACK
FROM EVERY QUARTER I TELL
PEOPLE WE MEASURE EARTHQUAKES
BY RICHTER SCALE AND WE
MEASURE PROBLEMS FOR THE LIBERALS BY SANDRA
PUPATELLO’S YELLING IN THE HOUSE.
THE LOWERED THE INTERSECTION
THE LOUD HER VOICE THE MORE
THAT YOU KNOW THAT TORIES AND
ESPECIALLY NOW THE NDP, ARE
HURTING THIS GOVERNMENT ON
DAILY BASIS IN QUESTION
PERIOD.
AND THEY ARE REACHING OUT BY
GOING AFTER THE MESSENGER AND
NOT OTHER --

Steve says I
REMEMBER BOB RAE HAD A VERY GOOD
LINE AND HE SAID NEVER GET
INTO A FIGHT WITH ANYBODY WHO
BUYS NEWS PRINT BY THE TON.
NOT BAD ADVICE.
ALL RIGHT.
SHE’S GIVEN ME HOOK SO WE GOT TO
GO.
HE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU
TWO AGAIN IN THREE WEEKS WHEN
WE WILL DO INSTEAD OF
PRE-BUDGET ANALYSIS MAYBE A
LITTLE…

Robert says POST…

Steve says POST BUDGET ANALYSIS.
ROBERT I CAN'T GET A THING PAST YOU.
ROBERT FISHER AND SUSANNA
KELLY THANK YOU FOR THE 411
FROM BACK ROOMS.

Susanna says THANK YOU

Steve says THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR THIS
WEEK.
I AM STEVE PAIKIN.
UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY.
THANK YOU.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Erica Balch.

Director, Michael Smith.

Editor, Elizabeth Payne.

A production of TVOntario. Copyright 2005, The Ontario Educational Communications Authority.

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