Transcript: Election Fever | Apr 24, 2005

The opening sequence rolls.

Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS WEEK ON "FOURTH
READING.

Thomas Walko says ONTARIO IS THE KEY.

Steve says BUT WITH FEDERAL
ELECTION LOOMING WHAT WILL IT
TAKE TO WIN ONTARIO?

Steve sits in the studio 3 guests.

Steve is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing an olive green suit and a striped gray shirt.

He says HI EVERYBODY I AM
STEVE PAIKIN THIS IS "FOURTH
READING."
WHETHER IT IS THIS SPRING OR
NEXT WINTER ONE THING IS CLEAR
CANADIANS ARE GOING TO BE OFF
TO THE POLLS VERY SOON.
THE PRIME MINISTER APOLOGY
OVER SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL IS
JUST THE OPENING SALE SO IN
CAMPAIGN THAT PROMISES TO BE
ONE OF THE TOUGHEST IN YEARS.
AND PUNDITS SAY AS THIS
PROVINCE GOES, SO GOES THE
ELECTION.
SO, JUST WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO
WIN ONTARIO?

Paul Martin is in his mid-sixties, clean-shaven and with short straight white hair. He wears a blue suit, blue shirt and patterned brown tie.

He says WHAT HAPPENED WITH
SPONSORSHIP FILE OCCURRED ON
WATCH OF LIBERAL GOVERNMENT
THOSE WHO WERE IN POWER ARE TO
BE HELD RESPONSIBLE THAT
INCLUDES ME.
I WAS MINISTER OF FINANCE.
AND KNOWING WHAT I HAVE
LEARNED THIS PAST YEAR, I AM
SORRY THAT WE WEREN'T MORE
VIGILANT.
THAT I WAS NOT MORE VIGILANT.

I WILL CALL A GENERAL
ELECTION WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE
PUBLICATION OF THE
COMMISSION'S FINAL REPORT AND
RECOMMENDATIONS.
LET JUDGE GOMERY DO HIS WORK.
LET THE FACTS COME OUT.
AND THEN THE PEOPLE OF CANADA
WILL HAVE THEIR SAY.

Steve says WHETHER LOOMING FEDERAL
ELECTION IS THIS SPRING OR
LATER ON VOTE RICH ONTARIO
SAID TO THE BECOME BATTLE
GROUND AGAIN.

A caption reads "Thomas Walkom. Toronto Star."

Thomas is in his mid-fifties, with short straight white hair. He wears glasses, a tartan shirt and a blue jacket.

He says ONTARIO IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT
IT IS BIGGEST PROVINCE.
AND PARTICULARLY THESE DAYS,
WITH QUEBEC APPARENTLY GOING
TO THE BLOC, AND ONTARIO IS
THE KEY.

Steve says CURRENTLY THE LIBERALS HOLD
MAJORITY OF SEATS IN ONTARIO
AT:

A slate appears that reads "Federal Ridings-Ontario. Liberals: 74 seats; Conservatives: 24 seats; NDP: 7 seats; Independent: 1 seat."

Steve says THE BUT RECENT POLLING
NUMBERS REVEAL POPULAR SUPPORT
FOR THE LIBERALS HAS DROPPED
DRAMATICALLY IN PAST FEW
WEEKS.
ACCORDING TO A POLL RELEASED
LAST WEEK:

Steve reads data from another slate with the caption "Environics Poll Ontario Voters. 37 percent support Liberals; 32 percent support Conservatives; 25 percent support NDP."

The caption changes to Donna Dasko. Environics Research."

Donna is in her mid-forties, with straight brown hair in a bob cut. She wears a blue top and a gray blazer.

She says IT IS VERY, VERY RARE TO
SEE A PARTY FALL SO QUICKLY
AND IT IS CLEARLY BEEN DRIVEN
BY THE GOMERY COMMISSION.
AND THE TESTIMONY THAT CAME
OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
AND I MEAN, IT CLEAR THAT
ONTARIANS ARE QUITE SHOCKED BY
WHAT THEY HAVE HEARD.

Dalton McGuinty is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven and with short straight brown hair. He wears a black suit, white shirt and striped tie.

He says WE WILL CAMPAIGN ON BEHALF
OF THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO WHEN
IT COMES TO THE 23 BILLION
DOLLAR GAP.

Steve says ONGOING FRICTION BETWEEN
DALTON MCGUINTY AND PAUL
MARTIN OVER THE SO-CALLED
FISCAL IMBALANCE COULD ALSO
AFFECT FEDERAL LIBERAL
FORTUNES IN ONTARIO MCGUINTY
IS CALLING ON AA 23 BILLION
DOLLAR GAP.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT HE
SAID OTTAWA COLLECT IN TAX
THERE ONTARIO AND WHAT ONTARIO
GETS BACK FROM THE FEDS.
THIS WEEK DALTON MCGUINTY
INDICATE HE HAD INTENDS TO
MAKE GAP AN ELECTION ISSUE.
REGARDLESS OF THE CONSEQUENCES
ON HIS FEDERAL LIBERAL
COUSINS.

Dalton says WE WILL CONTINUE TO
CAMPAIGN EITHER DURING A
FEDERAL ELECTION BEFORE A
FEDERAL ELECTION OR AFTER A
FEDERAL ELECTION ON BEHALF OF
THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO WHEN IT
COMES TO THE 23 BILLION DOLLAR
GAP.

The caption changes to "Stephen Harper. Conservative Leader."

Stephen is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven and with short wavy gray hair. He wears a black suit, white shirt, striped tie and a pin on her lapel.

At the legislature, Stephen says SO MY QUESTION IS LATE
PRIME MINISTER MEET WITH THE
PREMIER DALTON MCGUINTY AT THE
FIRST OPPORTUNITY?

Steve says IN ATTEMPT TO APPEAL TO
ONTARIO VOTERS CONSERVATIVE
LEADER STEPHEN HARPER HAS SEIZED ON
THE ISSUE CALLING FOR MARTIN
TO TAKE ACTION.
BUT ANALYSTS SAY HARPER
STILL HAS TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT
INROADS IF HE HOPES TO GAIN
VOTER CONFIDENCE IN ONTARIO.

Thomas says ONTARIANS WILL BE QUITE
HAPPY TO GET RID OF THE
LIBERALS.
BECAUSE THE LIBERALS HAVE BEEN
IN POWER FEDERALLY FOR LONG
TIME SINCE 1993.
AND IT IN GENERAL THEY ARE
SICK OF THEM AND THE
SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL ONLY ADDS
TO THAT.
SO I THINK PEOPLE IF THEY FELT
THEY HAD A VIABLE AL LEARN
ALTERNATIVE, WOULD VOTE FOR
SOMEONE ELSE.
PROBLEM WITH THE CONSERVATIVES
HAVE BECAUSE THEY ARE MOST
LOGICAL VIABLE ALTERNATIVE, IS
THAT SO FAR IN ONTARIO, PEOPLE
DON'T SEE THEM AS A REALISTIC
ALTERNATIVE.

Steve says BUT PAUL MARTIN DOES NOT
INTEND TO GO DOWN WITHOUT A
FIGHT.

Paul says I WILL DO MY ALL AS PRIME
MINISTER TO MAKE SURE YOUR
GOVERNMENT IS WORTHY OF YOUR
RESPECT.
THE FINAL JUDGEMENT ON WHETHER
I HAVE DONE THAT WILL BE
YOURS.

Steve says THAT FINAL JUDGEMENT
IS STILL SOMETIME AWAY.
BUT HERE TO HELP US FIND OUT
WHAT ISSUES ONTARIANS ARE
THINKING ABOUT AT THE MOMENT.
JOHN WRITE SENIOR VICE
PRESIDENT OF POLLING.
WELCOME BACK TO TVO.
YOU KNOW THE FOLKS ON THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE TABLE.
SEAN CONWAY, JANET ECKER,
AND DAVE COOKE.
WE HAVE SEEN IN FEDERAL
ELECTIONS IN 1993, 97, 2000,
2005, AND THE 2003 ONTARIO
PROVINCIAL ELECTION, VAST
MAJORITIES OF SEATS IN THIS
PROVINCE GOING TO THE LIBERAL
PARTY.
QUITE HAMMER LOCK IN FACT.
DOES HISTORY NOT SUGGEST THAT
WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE AT
THE END OF THE DAY, THE
LIBERALS CAN COUNT ON THIS
PROVINCE TO HELP THEM AGAIN?

A caption reads "John Wright. IPSOS-REID."

John is in his late forties, clean-shaven and with short straight red hair. He wears glasses, a blue suit, blue shirt and red and blue striped tie.

He says I DON'T THINK IN THIS
CIRCUMSTANCE THEY CAN.
I MEAN IT DEPENDS ON HOW SOON
WE GO TO THE POLLS.
BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO THE
POLLS IN NEXT MONTH OR SO, IT
IS CLEAR THAT TIDE HAS TURNED
AND IT IS NOW MOVING WITH THE
CONSERVATIVES.
QUESTION WILL BE FOR SOMEONE
LIKE MISTER HARPER IS WHETHER
OR NOT IT WILL MAINTAIN WHERE
IT WAS IN LAST ELECTION
CAMPAIGN ALMOST UP UNTIL THE
FINAL NIGHT WHEN 6.5 percent
ONTARIANS SAID I DON'T THINK
SO.
I WOULD RATHER GO WITH THE
DEVIL I KNOW.
THAT'S THE HISTORY OF IT.
I AM NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT
THAT WILL HOLD

Steve says WE DID SHOW
SOME NUMBERS IN THAT SET-UP
PACK THAT WERE ABOUT A WEEK
OLD.
THINGS HAVE EVEN CHANGED SINCE
THEN AND YOU HAVE BROUGHT US
NUMBERS THAT'S SAY HOT OFF OF
THE PRESS.
LITERALLY MATTER OF FEW HOURS
OLD AND LET'S PUT THOSE UP IF
WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
HERE ARE LATEST NUMBERS FROm:

A slate appears with a caption that reads "IPSOS-REID-Canwest-Global POLL. National. Conservatives: 35 percent; Liberals: 30 percent; NDP: 18 percent; Bloc Quebecois: 12 percent; Greens: 5 percent."

Another slate reads "Ontartio. Conservatives; 40 percent; Liberals: 36 percent. NDP: 20 percent. Bloc Quebecois, 0 percent; Greens: 4 percent."

Steve says I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO
SEAT PROJECTION BASED UPON THE
ONTARIO NUMBERS BUT IF YOU CAN,
COULD YOU SHARE?

John says PROBABLY ABOUT 60 SEATS FOR
THE CONSERVATIVES IN THAT
SHOWING RIGHT THERE.
THE BOOM BAY DOORS AS WE LIKE
TO SAY ARE WIDE OPEN AT THE
MOMENT FOR THE CONSERVATIVES
IN THE PAST ELECTION CAMPAIGN,
WHEN THEY PROGRESSIVE
CONSERVATIVE AND THE
CONSERVATIVE CAME TOGETHER TO
FORM THIS WYE WE FOUND THAT
CORRIDOR RUNNING FROM OTTAWA
VALLEY THROUGH TO PETERBOROUGH
UP AROUND BARRIE AND DOWN INTO
SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO, THAT
WOULD YIELD ABOUT 15 SEATS IN
ANY GIVEN GOOD DAY.
ABOUT 2000 TEN DAYS BEFORE THE
LAST ELECTION CAMPAIGN FEDERALLY
THE ONTARIO DOORS WERE
TOPE ABOUT 25 OR 30 SEATS NOW
THEY ARE WIDE OPEN AND YOU
HAVE GOT ROUGHLY 60 SEATS IN
THOSE.

Steve says THEY COULD ALMOST TRIPLE
THE SEAT COUNT IF THE ELECTION
WERE HELD TODAY.

John says BUT IF HE ARE BEING
DECIMATED IN OTHER PARTS OF
COUNTRY WHICH THEY CURRENTLY
ARE I MEAN IT IS NOT ONLY
ALBERTA WHERE ALMOST EVERY
SEAT GOES -- WELL VIRTUALLY
EVERY SEAT GOES TO THE
CONSERVATIVES BUT NEXT DO IN
MANITOBA AND SASKATCHEWAN,
RUNNING CLOSE TO 51 percent FOR THE
CONSERVATIVES.
YOU MOVE INTO QUEBEC AND THEY
ARE ONLY PICKING UP 20 percent
SUPPORT IN FACT THE
CONSERVATIVES ARE PICKING UP
18 percent SUPPORT.
AND AS A RESULT YOU WILL BE
MOVING INTO HAVING MORE
POTENTIAL SEAT PICK UP THERE
FOR THE CONSERVATIVES.
AND I MEAN THE ONLY PLACE IN
WHICH THEY HOLD ANY KIND
LEAVEAGE IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT
NOW IS IN ALANTIC CANADA AND
EVEN THERE THEY ARE ONLY A BIT
AHEAD OF WHERE THE LIBERALS
CONSERVATIVES ARE BEHIND THEM.
SO, I MEAN WHEN YOU LOOK
ACROSS THE COUNTRY NORMALLY,
THEY HAVE HAD A BACK STOP.
LIBERALS HAVE BACK TOP AND
BEEN ABLE TO GUARANTEE IF WE
GET HALF OF ONTARIO OR MORE
THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE WE HAVE
GOT QUEBEC.
QUEBEC IS GONE.
AND ONTARIO SHOWING THAT 60
SEATS COULD GO TO CONSERVATIVE
RIGHT NOW.

Steve says AS BOB RAE USED TO
SAY THAT'S WHAT'S CAMPAIGNS
ARE FOR IS TO CHANGE PEOPLE'S
MINDS.
THE THREE OF YOU HAVE BEEN
PLUGGED IN.
SO I WANT TO GET THROUGH SOME
OF THAT IF WE CAN.
DAVE COOK LET'S START WITH NOW
SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO.
BASED UPON THE NUMBERS YOU
JUST SUE, WHAT'S LAY OF THE
LAND IN SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO WINDSOR AREA IF IN FACT
THE CONSERVATIVE ARE IN FIRST
PLACE PROVINCE WIDE.

The caption changes to "Dave Cooke. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."

Dave is in his early late forties, clean-shaven and with short receding brown hair. He wears a gray suit and a gray shirt.

He says I WOULD SEE NO REASON WHY
THERE WOULD BE A CHANGE.
I DOUBT WHETHER THE
CONSERVATIVE WOULD PICK UP
SEATS IN CITY OF WINDSOR THEY
ALREADY HAVE SEAT OUT IN THE
COUNTY WHICH IS MATTER OF SIX
WEEKS AGO THEY WOULD HAVE LOST
CONSERVATIVES WOULD HAVE LOST.
I AM SURE THAT'S SAFE.
SO, I DON'T THINK THEY WILL BE
ANY CHANGE FOR THE NDP.
BUT THERE IS A LOTS OF
OPPORTUNITIES I WOULD THINK
THROUGHOUT THAT BELT WHETHER
THERE ARE LIBERAL SEATS THAT
THE TORIES COULD PICK UP.
I DON'T SEAT NDP BEING ABLE TO
PICK UP SEATS OUTSIDE OF THE
WINDSOR.
IN EASTERN ON TO.

The caption changes to "Sean Conway. Former Liberal Cabinet Minister."

Sean is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven and with short straight light brown hair. He wears glasses, a blue suit, white shirt and striped tie.

He says WELL, FOR ABOUT THE LAST
TWO ELECTIONS, THE LIBERAL
STRANGLE HOLD ON SOUTHEASTERN
ONTARIO AND THAT'S AREA OF ATE
OF PETERBOROUGH INCLUDING
OTTAWA CARLETON, THE LIBERALS
HAVE BEEN LOSING GROUND THERE
IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
ELECTIONS.
AND I SEE SOME VERY OMINOUS
SIGNS FOR THE LIBERALS GOING
INTO A CAMPAIGN SHOULD ONE BE
HELD THIS SPRING.
SO SOUTHEASTERN ON AREA KNOW
HAS ROBUST CONSERVATIVE
TRADITION IN FACT LIBERALS IN
1990S HAVE BEEN WINNING SEATS
IN SOUTHEASTERN ONTARIO
LARGELY BECAUSE THE
CONSERVATIVES VOTE SPLIT INTO
TWO CAMPS THE OLD REFORM PARTY
AND THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE IN 1993-97
THE LIBERALS WERE WINNING SEAT
LIKE CARLETON, WHICH LAST
COUPLE OF TIMES AGO RETURNED
TO THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
LOOK FOR SOME MOVEMENT IN
CARLTON OTTAWA, JOHN BAIRD
VERY POPULAR HAS THROWN HIS
HAT INTO THE RING.
CONTESTING THE FEDERAL
CONSERVATIVE NOMINATION IN
OTTAWA WEST.
SHOULD BAIRD WIN THAT HE WOULD
BE VERY FORMIDABLE CHALLENGE
TO MARLENE.
PETER ADAMS VERY POPULAR
FOUR-TERM LIBERAL MP FOR
PETERBOROUGH HAS ANNOUNCED HE
IS NOT SEEKING REELECTION.
SO I THINK THE LIBERALS WILL
REALLY HAVE A FIGHT ON THEIR
HANDS IN A NUMBER OF RIDINGS.

Steve says HOW MANY CURRENT
LIBERAL MPs DO YOU THINK FROM
THIS PROVINCE WOULDN'T RUN
AGAIN?

Sean says WELL I THINK THERE WILL BE
A NUMBER.
THE LIBERAL PARTY IS FACING
SOME VERY TOUGH TIMES.
THERE IS NO SECRET AND YOU
MADE VERY GOOD POINT I THINK
EITHER BEFORE WE WENT ON THE
AIR OR MOMENT AGO THAT
ELECTIONS ARE LIKE HORSE RACES
YOU KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT THEM
ONCE THEY ARE RUN.
BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE A
NUMBER OF LIBERALS ELECTED IN
1988 AND 1993 WHO I THINK WILL
BE TAKING A LOOK AT THIS AND
AS WE SAW IN PETERBORROW
THIS WEEK WITH PETER ADAMS
RETIRING I THINK A NUMBER
OTHER LIBERALS MAY IN FACT BE
LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT THEY
WANT TO CONTEST AN ELECTION
SHOULD ONE BE HELD EITHER THIS
SPRING OR NEXT FALL OR WINTER.

Steve says THE 905 AREA WHERE
YOU USED TO REPRESENT IS
FASCINATING BECAUSE IT TENDS
TO OF SO MUCH M PLAY.
WE REMEMBER IN 90 THE NDP WERE
WINNING SEATS IN 905.
AND SWUNG BACK FOR DALTON
MCGUINTY BIG TIME IN 2003.
AND OF COURSE MIKE HARRIS WON
EVERY SEE THE IN 905 IN TWO
ELECTIONS IN BETWEEN.
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FROM
WHAT'S GOING ON?

The caption changes to "Janet Ecker. Former PC Cabinet Minister."

Janet is in her late forties, with short straight blond hair. She wears glasses, a white blouse, a blue jacket and a gold brooch.

Janet says WELL I THINK THERE’S SENSE
THAT CONSERVATIVE HAVE A REAL
SHOT.
I MEAN JUST SOME OF THE
RIDINGS I AM FAMILIAR WITH.
WE ARE GETTING PEOPLE LINING
UP WANTING TO GO FOR
NOMINATIONS WHICH IS ALWAYS A
GOOD SIGN.
I MUST SAY I HAVING BEEN A
CONSERVATIVE VOTER FOR FROM
WAY BACK I DO GET SCEPTICAL I
HAVE SEEN FEDERAL LIBERALS
WHEN I THOUGHT HAD THEIR HEADS
HANDED TO THEM ON A PLATTER, MANAGE TO SKATE
THROUGH.
AND GET REELECTION.
SO ONE GETS A LITTLE SCEPTICAL
ABOUT IT.
BUT I THINK THERE IS A REAL
SHOT HERE.
I THINK IF HARPER AND HIS
TEAM ARE ABLE TO PUT FORWARD A
CREDIBLE ALTERNATIVE, I THINK
THE SCARE THE STUFF HIDDEN
AGENDA SHUFFLE WILL NOT BE AS
EFFECTIVE AS IT WAS LAST TIME.
I THINK STEVEN IS STARTING TO
YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE STARTING
TO GET MORE COMFORTABLE WITH
HIM.
HE IS GOT SOME CHALLENGES BUT
I THINK IS THERE REAL
POTENTIAL FOR LOT OF
BREAKTHROUGHS IN 905.

Sean says ONE OF THINGS I THINK IS
GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR ONTARIO VOTERS IN THIS
CAMPAIGN AND IF YOU LOOK
HISTORICALLY AT NATIONAL
ELECTION CAMPAIGNS IN THIS
COUNTRY, AND LOOK AT THEM FROM
POINT OF VIEW OF ONTARIO, ONE
OF THINGS ONTARIANS ARE ALWAYS
CONCERNED ABOUT IN NATIONAL
ELECTS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
QUEBEC.
AND ON THE EVE OF WHAT MAYBE
ANIMAL ELECTION THIS SPRING OR
FALL, WE ARE BLOCK
UNPRECEDENTED SITUATION.
JOHN'S NUMBERS WOULD SUGGEST
THAT IF AN ELECTION WERE HELD
TOMORROW, A SEPARATIST
SOVEREIGNTY WOULD GET SOME
THING LIKE 70-80 percent OF THE SEATS
FROM QUESTION BECK IN THE
NATIONAL PARLIAMENT.
IF THAT WERE TO CONTINUE, I
THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE A
MAJOR FACTOR MAYBE REAL
OPPORTUNITY FOR STEVEN HARPER
BUT IT MAY GIVE THE LIBERALS
SOME RENEWED HOPE BUT, IT IS
GOING TO BE A REAL ISSUE
BECAUSE ONTARIO VOTERS ARE
GOING -- ONCE WE GET INTO THE
CAMPAIGN, THEY ARE GOING TO BE
I THINK THE FIRST PART OF
CAMPAIGN WILL BE DEALING WITH
THE SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL.
THERE IS NO ISSUE ABOUT THAT
BUT AS YOU MOVE INTO SECOND
AND LATTER PARTS OF THE
CAMPAIGN, IF THIS SOVEREIGNTY
THREAT CONTINUES TO BE AS REAL
AS IT APPEARS, I THINK ONTARIO
VOTERS ARE GOING LOOK IT SAY
WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE NATIONAL
INTERESTS THAT WILL CONTAIN
UNPRECEDENTED POSSIBILITY THAT
WE COULD HAVE 60 PLUS BQ
MEMBERS IN NEXT PARLIAMENT OF
CANADA.

Steve says LET ME BRING YOU BACK IN
BECAUSE YOU DID POLL 2000
CANADIAN.
INCLUDING, I THINK AS
RECENT -- SO INCLUDING LAST
NIGHT WHEN PAUL MARTIN GAVE
THE SPEECH SOME OF THE PEOPLE
SURVEYED.
SO THIS IS MARGIN OF ERROR 2.2 percent.
CAN YOU TELL YET WHETHER OR
NOT THE PRIME MINISTER'S
SPEECH HELPED?

John says WELL, WE CAN'T TELL FROM
THIS WHETHER OR NOT IT DID.
BUT WE CAN TELL WHEN WE WERE
IN THE FIELD DURING EVENING OF
THIS SPEECH, WHICH IN FACT, I
MEAN FOR 6.5 MINUTES HE GOT 26
HOURS OF RIDICULE AND
POMMELING SO IT WAS IN THE AIR
TO GET THERE.
THE SPIKE WAS ACTUALLY FOR THE
CONSERVATIVES.
IT WAS NOT FOR THE LIBERALS.
I MEAN WE ACTUALLY SUIT
NUMBERS OF PEOPLE AND WE HAD
ABOUT 400 DECIDED VOTERS THAT
WE WERE LOOK AT THAT NIGHT AND
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW THAT'S TOO
SMALL TO FIGURE THAT THAT
WOULD HAVE CONTINUED ANY WAY
BUT IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT
THE NUMBERS WE HAD SPEAK SORT
CONSERVATIVE THAT NIGHT WHICH
PULLED THE NUMBERS UP WAY
ALONG.

Steve says SO THE PRIME MINISTER DID NOT
HELP HIS CAUSE THEN BASED UPON
THOSE EARLY NUMBERS?

John says WELL, -- I DON'T THINK IT
WAS SO MUCH THE SPEECH
THAT WAS THE ISSUE.
THINK IT WAS FRANKLY THE 6.5
MINUTES.
AND THE PRESTIGE THAT WAS SET
AGAINST WITH FREE TRADE, AND
THE WAR MEASURES ACT AND
EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT WAS FACT THAT IT OPENED UP
FOR YOU KNOW 26 HOURS FOR THE
OPPOSITION LEADERS TO SAY HE
IS NOT IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
HE COULD COME HERE.
HE COULD GO ACROSS THE STREET.
AND HE COULD HAVE THIS KIND OF
CIRCUMSTANCE.
AND THEN, RAISING EXPECTATIONS
TO A HUGE DEGREE ONLY CENTRE
THEN YOU KNOW THEREAFTER.

Janet says THERE IS CREDIBILITY ISSUE.
I MEAN, THE PRIME MINISTER...
I MEAN IS THE GUY THAT SORT OF
CALLED ELECTION BEFORE WHEN
THEY COULD HAVE GOT TO ENTER
THE BOTTOM OF THE SCANDAL.
HE CALLED AN ELECTION.
NOW IF HE IS SAYING WE CAN'T
HAVE AN ELECTION BECAUSE WE
NEED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM
OF THE SCANDAL TODAY HE IS
SAYING OR LAST NIGHT
HE WAS SAYING OH, WELL I
SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MORE.
I SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE.
WHERE CANADIAN WERE WAITING
FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THAT FOR
MONTHS NOW.
OVER THIS ISSUE.
AND AGAIN, HE IS SAYING LET'S
GET TO BOTTOM OF IT.
WELL HE IS LAUNCHED SOME
INVESTIGATIONS OF HIS OWN.
WHY ISN'T HE AND THE PARTY OUT
THERE BEARING ALL SAYING HERE
IS WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT.
WHY ARE WE WAITING FOR GOMERY?
IF HE KNOWS THE FACTS, PUT
THEM OUT THERE.
SO THERE IS CREDIBILITY ISSUE.

Dave says WELL, I MEAN I THOUGHT
PROCESS LAST NIGHT WAS USUALLY
FOR PRIME MINISTER GOING TO GO
ON TV YOU ARE TRYING TO USE
YOUR PRESTIGE AS THE PRIME
MINISTER BUT INSTEAD WE HAD
THIS SERIES OF LEADERS AND
THEY WERE ALL ON EQUAL FOOTING
SO I MEAN TO ME IT WAS LAUNCH
OF THE CAMPAIGN LAST NIGHT AND
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED MORE
THAN THE PRIME MINISTER.
AND I AGREE WITH JANET THAT
APOLOGY AT THIS POINT DIDN'T
REALLY HELP.
BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF
PEOPLE THOUGHT, WELL IF YOU
WERE SIN ATTORNEY IT COULD
HAVE COME WEEKS IF KNOTS
MONTHS AGO RATHER THAN WHEN
YOU GOT YOUR BACK UP AGAINST A
YEAR AGO.

Steve says WELL SAID HE IT DID A YEAR
AGO.
Dave says I DON'T RECALL THAT.
AND I DON'T THINK MOST VOTERS
WOULD RECALL THAT.

Sean says I THINK THE PRIME MINISTER
REAL PROBLEM IS THAT
REGARDLESS OF WHAT HE AND
OTHER PARTY LEADERS ARE SAYING
ON TELEVISION, AT NIGHT, THE
REAL STORY IS THE DAILY
REPORTS FROM THE INQUIRY NOW
SITTING IN MONTREAL.
AND THIS WEEK, THE NEWS OUT OF
GOMERY INQUIRY WAS QUITE
SERIOUS WE HAVE NOW GOT SOME
INDEPENDENT HE COULD ROB
BOTHER RAYS OF SOME OF
MISTER BREAUX'S TESTIMONY OF
COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
AND IF I AM PAUL MARTIN OR
ANYBODY LEADING THE GOVERNMENT
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT IS
REALLY GETTING DIFFICULT TOLL
TRUMP WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE
INQUIRY ON A DAILY BASIS.

Steve says LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THOUGH
THERE IS ALWAYS THE DANGER IN
A SITUATION LIKE WHERE IT IS
SO MUCH IN FLUX OF OVERPLAYING
YOUR HAND.
AND HARPER WHEN GAVE HIS
SPEECH LAST NIGHT HE SAID WE
HAVE ALL JUST WITNESSED A SAD
SPECTACLE. A PRIME MINISTER SO BURDENED
WITH CORRUPTION IN HIS OWN
PARTY IS UNABLE TO DO HIS JOB
AND LEAD THE COUNTRY SPEEDER
LEADER PLAYING FOR TIME.
IF YOU WERE ADVISING HIM WOULD
YOU BE CONCERNED THAT THAT RHETORICAL
FLOURISH IS
OVER THE TOP?

John says WELL I COULD TO A DEGREE.
HOWEVER THERE ARE PARTS OF
THIS COUNTRY THAT FULLY
BELIEVE HIM.
THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT
THAT.
I MEAN IT IS ONLY THOSE
PEOPLES IN ONTARIO WHO HAVE
THIS NOT IN THEIR STOMACH
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER
THEY WANT TO GO WITH HIM OR
STAY WHERE THEY WILL.
MANY OTHER PROVINCE ARE A WITH
MISTER HARPER.
EXACTLY THE DAY AFTER,
INTERESTINGLY ALL OF HEADLINES
ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE
DESPERATE PRIME MINISTER.
PRIME MINISTER WHO IS
GRAVELING SO I GO BACK TO THAT
AND SAY IT WAS IT BOARD TO DO
WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
THEN YOU LOOK -- ALMOST LIKE
HENRY THE FIFTH SORT OF
CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE I MEAN
MARTIN YOU KNOW OUTMANED AND
OUTGUNNED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE
WAITING FOR -- AND I KNOW THAT
HE ENDS UP WINING IN THIS I AM
NOT SURE THAT WILL BE THE CASE.
BUT, I MEAN HE IS HERE BUDGET
COMING AND HE IS BASICALLY
GOING TO FILL LIKE A PIÑATA
AT THAT WALL OF THESE SORTS OF
THINGS THAT ARE TAX MONEY FOR
BRITISH COLUMBIA.
ENERGY FOR THIS PROVINCE OUT
HERE IN THE MARITIMES AND
BUNCH OF THINGS PUT THEM
ALTOGETHER STAND IN THE
HOUSING OF COMMONS WRAP THE
FLAG AROUND IT AND SAME SEX
AND DEFENCE OF THE CHARTER AND
SAY OKAY, YOU WANT TO GO?
WE WANT TO GOVERN TAKE US
DOWN.
WHICH THEN LEADS TO THE OTHER
SIDE AND THAT IS RIGHT TO YOUR
POINT, YOU KNOW HOW DOES
STEVEN HARPER POSITION THIS AS
IT IS NOW TIME TO HAVE AN
ELECTION?

Steve says PARTICULARLY WHEN ALL OF
YOUR POLLS ARE SHOWING THAT
3 QUARTERS WANT TO WAIT.

John says AND THAT'S IF WE THEN PUT
THAT INTO CONTEXT WITH WHAT
WAS SAID IN THIS 6.5 MINUTE
PIECE WAS, WAIT UNTIL
EVERYTHING IS IN BEFORE WE GO.
SO, IT IS GOING TO BE THAT
FAIR OWE STRETCH OF YOU KNOW
TWO WEEKS OR SO OR THREE WEEKS
WHERE MISTER HARPER AND MAYBE
NOT SO MUCH MISTER DUCEPPE BUT HE
WILL HAVE TO JUSTIFY TO ONTARIANS THAT WE WILL STOP PROPPING
THIS MORALLY OFFENSIVE
GOVERNMENT UP AND IT IS TIME
TO GO IN.

Janet says I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE
TACTICAL WINS TO THE EXTENT THAT
THE PRIME MINISTER GOT ANYONE
LAST NIGHT WAS THAT YES, HE IS
SAYING OKAY, YOU KNOW HARPER
FOR YOU ARE REALLY SERIOUS
ABOUT GETTING FACTS AND YOU
ARE SAYING YOU WANT THE FEEL
HAVE THE FACT TO DECIDE I
THINK HE SHIFTED GROUND A
LITTLE BIT ON THAT FOR HARPER.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT IS YOU
KNOW WHO BUMPER STICKER WILL
WIN HER HARPER'S RESPONSE IS
WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE THE
PRIME MINISTER I HAVE TELL YOU
I HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY
BELIEVING THAT GOMERY COMES
DOWN IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER
WE WILL HAVE AN ELECTION IN
CANADA IN THE MIDDLE OF CHRISTMAS LIKE I DON'T THINK
SO.

Steve says IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST
TIME.

Janet says BUT THAT'S TRUE.

Sean says THERE IS BIT OF PROBLEM IN
THIS FOR HARPER.
BECAUSE, IN SOME WAYS IT IS
ALMOST TOO MUCH TOO GOOD, TOO
SOON.
UNDER THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO
THAT WE ARE NOW APRIL 22
OR 23 LOOKING AT PROBABLY
FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO DEFEAT
GOVERNMENT COMING IN THREE OR
FOUR WEEKS TIME ABOUT MAY 20TH
FOR AN ELECTION AROUND JUNE THE 25th.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYBODY
BY THIS WEEKEND WHO IS NOT
GOING TO BE SERIOUSLY THINKING
THAT THIS IS THE BEST
OPPORTUNITY THAT MISTER HARPER
AND CONSERVATIVE HAVE HAD IN A
LONG TIME.
OH, HE IS NOW GOING TO BE OUT
THERE AND THERE IS NO QUESTION
THAT THERE IS A REAL CHANCE
THAT HE WILL BE THE PRIME
MINISTER BY CANADA DAY.
SO MAYBE JACK LAYTON THE
LIBERALS ARE GOING TO BE HAM
STRUNG HERE BUT THE NDP AND
THE NDP IS IN A DANGEROUS
POSITION TOO BECAUSE
THEY HAVE GOT TO WATCH THAT IT
DOES NOT BECOME SHOOT-OUT
BETWEEN THROW LIBERALS OUT AND
REPLACE THEM WITH NEW NATIONAL
MAJORITY GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF THE QUEBEC
ISSUE IN CASE JACK LAYTON
COULD FIND HIMSELF BOTH IN
ONTARIO AND PLACES LIKE
SASKATCHEWAN AND MANITOBA
LOSING GROUND BUT LAYTON
HAPPENS AN OPPORTUNITY AS THE
PROSPECT OF A HARPER
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT LOOKS
MORE AND NOR LIKELY, IN
ONTARIO, WHERE ONTARIO HAVE
CONSISTENTLY SHOWN THAT IF
THEY LIKE CONSERVATIVE THEY
LIKE THEM MOD DEAD REAR AND
THE CENTRAL WITH A KIND OF A
JANET STYLE PROGRESSIVE
CONSERVATIVE AND HARPER HAS NOT
SHOWN THAT IT IS FEW WEEKS
AGO.

Janet says I'M NOT RUNNING MOTHER.

Sean says A FEW WEEKS AGO THAT WE HAD
SPEC CAN OF PETER MCKAY ON
NATIONAL TELEVISION RAISING
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF A
GUY THIS HARPER WAS.

Steve says LET ME RAISE THE QUESTION
ABOUT THE GAP BECAUSE ONE OF
THE MORE INTERESTING
DEVELOPMENT I THINK IN THE
PAST WEEK WAS THIS NOTION OF
PREMIER DALTON MCGUINTY OF
ONTARIO COMING FORWARD SAYING,
I WOULD NOT BE TOO UPSET IF
THE 23 BILLION DOLLAR GAP
BECOMES AN ELECTION ISSUE.
WHICH PUTS HIM IN A POSITION
OF POSSIBLY CAMPAIGNING
AGAINST HIS FEDERAL LIBERAL
COUSIN THE PRIME MINISTER
HOW ODD IS THAT?

John says WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW ODD
IT IS.
I MEAN SEAN WILL TELL YOU HOW
ODD IT WILL BE IN PROBABLY
MEAN ELECTION CAMPAIGNS BUT
YOU ARE RIGHT IT IS NOT THAT
ODD.
RIGHT HERE, THOUGH I MEAN WE
SAW CLIP RIGHT OFF THE TOP
DALTON MCGUINTY SAID I WILL
FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO.
WHAT IS ODD TO ME IS THAT YOU
COULD HAVE SEEN THIS ISSUE
TELEGRAPHED A MILE AWAY THIS
WAS DONE MONTHS AND MONTHS
AGO.
THE FACT THAT A MEETING HAS
NOT TAKEN PLATES FACT THAT THE
PRIME MINISTER IS PUBLICLY
BLOWN OFF PREMIER THE FACT
THAT HE CUT A DEAL WITH OTHER
PROVINCES BUT DIDN'T COME TO
ONTARIO, WHEN HE KNOWS THAT
ONTARIO IS HEART OF THE BATTLE
GROUND.
CAN DELIVER HIM A LIBERAL
MINORITY OR EVEN MORE IN THIS,
AND YET WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN
THIS ISSUE SOLVED THAT'S
WHAT'S ODD ABOUT IT THAT NO
DEAL WAS CUT IN ADVANCE AND
THIS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE
BECOME AN ELECTION ISSUE.

Dave says DO YOU THINK OF THE PEOPLE
HAVE THIS ISSUE DOWN.
THAT THEY UNDERSTAND IT.

Janet says YES, THEY DO.

John says I THINK 57 percent OF THE PEOPLE IN
THIS PROVINCE SUPPORT THE
PREMIER BASED UPON THE POLL
EVEN IF THEY NOTIONLY SUPPORT THEY
DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE DETAILS,
IT IS SEEMS TO ME THAT WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL
ELECTION CAMPAIGN WITH THE
FEDERAL LIBERALS NEEDING EVERY
PRAYER ON EVERY WING THAT THEY
CAN GET.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS UP
IN THE AIR ABOUT THREE MONTHS
AGO.
IT IS NOT SOLVED IN FACT IT IS
LIKE AN OPEN WOUND.

Steve says HARPER HAS SHOWN MORE
SIMPLE AT THAT THESE TO
PREMIER'S POSITION.

John says INDEED SO AND NOW IT IS
BECOME SHOW DOWN BETWEEN
FEDERAL COUSINS AND I THINK

Janet says ONTARIO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE
ARE NEEDS IN THIS PROVINCE AND
THEY HAVE SEEN AND I THINK THE
PERCEPTION THAT SOMEHOW OR
OTHER PROVINCES QUEBEC, HAS
HAD A SPECIAL DEAL I MEAN YOU
TALKED ONTARIANS AND THEY ARE
VERY CAREFUL HOW THEY SAY IT
MANY TIMES BUT THERE A LOT OF
THEM WHO FUNDAMENTALLY BELIEVE
THAT.
THAT WE HAVE BEEN TAKEN
ADVANTAGE OF AND THEN THEY SEE
THE DEAL FOR NEWFOUNDLAND I
THINK THAT THERE IS REAL
RELEVANCY FOR THIS ISSUE.
AND I LIKE JOHN I AM VERY
SURPRISED THAT OTTAWA DIDN'T
TRY TO SOLVE IT.
BECAUSE THERE IS A COUPLE OF
EASY WINS THERE.
ON IMMIGRATION ON LABOUR
MANAGEMENT ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE SO
AND THEY SEEM TO BE AWASH IN
CASH SO THEY COULD HAVE DONE
IT.

Steve says SEAN WILL GIVE HIS TREE
PERSPECTIVE ON THIS AND REMIND
THAT'S IN 1980 WILLIAM DAVIS
CAMPAIGNED PRETTY HARD AGAINST
JOHN CLARK.

Sean says WELL HE CERTAINLY TOOK A
POSITION IN THAT CAMPAIGN THAT
THE CROSBY BUDGET WAS NOT VERY
FRIENDLY TO ONTARIO.
BUT, YOU KNOW HE WAS NOT ONLY
ONE.
I MEAN, THE BACK -- YOU KNOW
FAMOUS LIBERAL PREMIER
MITCHELL WENT TO WAR WITH
LIBERAL PRIME MINISTER OF
CANADA ON A NUMBER ISSUES.
HAVING TO DO WITH TAX POLICY,
THE PROSECUTION OF THE SECOND
WORLD WAR.
BACK IN THE LATE 19TH CENTURY
PROMINENT ONTARIO PREMIERS
WERE AT WAR WITH PRIME
MINISTER OF CANADA MULL LET
AND MCDONALD FOUGHT HAMMER AND
TONGUE OVER SOME PRETTY
IMPORTANT ISSUES IT IS NOT
UNUSUAL THE OTHER THING BY THE
WAY I THINK MAY BE IMPORTANT
HERE IS THAT IF YOU THINK BACK
TO LAST FEDERAL EVE CAMPAIGN A
YEAR AGO MY INFORMATION IS
THAT IN LAST TEN DAYS OF THAT
CAMPAIGN, WHERE MARTIN WAS
ABLE TO PULL VICTORY OUT OF
WHAT LOOKED LIKE DEFEAT, THERE
WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE
DALTON MCGUINTY ORGANIZATION
IN ONTARIO THAT WENT TO WORK
VERY DILIGENTLY AND VIGOROUSLY
IN TRENCHES TO HELP MAKE
THAT HAPPEN.
2000 WILL BE INTERESTING TO
SEE WHAT WHETHER OR NOT THE
STRESS OF THE DEBATE AROUND
THE GAP BETWEEN OTTAWA AND
ONTARIO.

Steve says LET'S FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
WHO DOES JOHN TORY HOPE
WINS THIS ELECTION?

Janet says THAT'S A VERY GOOD
QUESTION.
YOU KNOW THAT'S VERY GOOD
QUESTION.
I THINK FRANKLY JOHN TORY
HOPES THAT PERSON WHO WILL DO
BEST DEAL FOR ONTARIO WILL WIN
THIS ELECTION.

Steve says THERE IS AN ANSWER.
COME ON!
THAT'S NOT GOING TO CUT IT.
LET'S CALL IT LIKE IT JOHN
TORY WOULDN'T BE UPSET IF PAUL
MARTIN WON AGAIN BECAUSE COUGH
COUGH PREMIERS TEND TO HAVE
BETTER TIME WHEN THERE IS NOT
CONSERVATIVE PRIME MINISTER.

Janet says THERE IS NO QUESTION THERE
IS BUSINESS OF A HISTORY THING
THERE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY...
WHAT ONTARIANS WANT IS A PREMIER THAT IS
NOT GOING TO BE DOING THINGS,
MAKING DECISIONS BECAUSE OF
PARTISAN REASONS BUT WHAT'S IN
THE BEST INTERESTS OF ONTARIO.
THAT'S THEIR JOB.
SO, I MEAN JOHN IS CERTAINLY
PREPARED TO FIGHT I MEAN AND
AGAIN HE WOULD FIGHT HARPER
JUST AS HE PREPARED TO FIGHT
PAUL MARTIN.
IF HE THOUGHT IT WAS IN BEST
INTERESTS OF ONTARIO AND
MCGUINTY TRYING TO DO THAT
NOW.

Sean says BUT WHAT IF JOHN TORY'S
CONCERNS HAS TO BE
PARTICULARLY IF HARPER WINS,
WHAT KINDS OF CONSERVATIVE IS
STEVEN HARPER REALLY AND HOW
DOES HE PROJECT HIMSELF IN
ONTARIO THERE IS NO QUESTION
THAT JOHN TORY IS A VERY
WELL-KNOWN CLEARLY IDENTIFIED
BILL DAVIS RED TORY.
HARPER IF HE IS GOING TO BE
EFFECTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL IN
ONTARIO, IS GOING TO HAVE TO
MOVE, I WOULD ARGUE, FROM THAT
KIND OF WESTERN TRADITION OF
FIRE WALL ALBERTA INTO A
MORE MODERATE SPACE
PARTICULARLY ON SOCIAL
POLICIES.

Dave says THERE GOING TO BE SO MUCH
PRESSURE ON HIM IF HE GETS A
MAJORITY GOVERNMENT THAT REAL
HARPER AND THE REAL WESTERN
CONSERVATIVE PARTY SHOW ITS
STUFF IN OTTAWA THAT IT IS
GOING TO BE --.

Janet says LET'S STOP WITH THAT.
I MEAN.

Dave says I MEAN IT IS RIGHT UP
FRONT.

Janet says THIS SORT OF SCARE STUFF.
I MEAN WHAT CAN BE MORE SCARY
TO THIS COUNTRY THAN WHAT WE
HAVE SEEN HAPPEN WHAT GOMERY
IS UNVEILING.
THAT'S PRETTY SCARY THAT THERE
WERE WHOLE BUN BEFORE FOLKS
WHO SAT UP THERE IN OTTAWA.

Steve says JUMPING AGAIN -- -- DIDN'T
MEAN YOU JUMP IN I MET ME.
30 SECONDS LEFT I WANT TO
GIVE TO JOHN WRITE.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
ELECTION WENT SO DECISIVELY IN
ONTARIO FOR MISTER MARTIN IN LAST
ELECTION CAMPAIGN PEOPLE WERE
AFRAID OF WHAT STEVEN HARPER
STOOD FOR CAN YOU TELL IN YOUR
POLLING WHETHER THAT'S STILL
THERE.

John says MOST PEOPLE SAY THERE IS ONLY
ABOUT QUARTER OF THE PUBLIC
RIGHT NOW THAT SAY THEY WILL
VOTE AGAINST THIS GOVERNMENT
MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE GOMERY
SITUATION.
IT IS DID IT WILL BE ANOTHER
ISSUE THAT THEY WILL MAKE OR
BREAK HOW THEY VOTE.
BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THE
ANGER LEVEL UNTIL THIS
PROVINCE ABOUT THE GOMERY
SITUATION BRAND DAMAGE THAT'S
BEEN DONE TO THE LIBERALS IN
FACT IS NOTHING THAT WE HAVE
SEEN SHORT OF 19 -- BACK TO
1985.
I MEAN THEY ARE NOW AT 40 percent IN
THE POLLS.
AND AS A RESULT, IT IS
REVERSED THIS TIME.
STEVE LAST TIME IT WAS THE
LIBERALS WHO HAD TO FALL IN
ORDER TO LOSE GRACE IN
ONTARIO.
NOW IT IS THE OTHER WAY
AROUND.
THE CONSERVATIVES HAVE TO.

Steve says THAT'S JOHN RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR VISITING US AT
TVO.
SEAN DAVE AND JANET MY THANKS
TO YOU AS WELL.
AND THAT'S "FOURTH READING" I
AM STEVE PAIKIN UNTIL NEXT
SUNDAY, THANK YOU.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Erica Balch.

Editor, Empyreal Palmer.

Director, Michael Smith.

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