Transcript: Tory Gets a Seat | Mar 20, 2005

(music plays)

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS WEEK ON "4TH
READING."

A clip plays.

A male politician says THE PEOPLE OF DUFFERIN,
PEEL, WELLINGTON GREY HAVE
SENT A STRONG MESSAGE.

Steve says FINALLY WIN NUMBER
ONE FOR JOHN TORY.

The clip ends.

Steve and a guest sit around a table in the shape of a number 4. A logo on screen reads "4th reading."

Steve is in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray jacket over a light pink shirt.

Steve says GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN.
WELCOME TO "4TH READING."
AFTER 35 YEARS IN THE
POLITICAL ARENA WHERE HE HAD
ALMOST EVERY JOB IMAGINABLE.
JOHN TORY CAN ADD ONE MORE
TITLE.
MEMBER OF PROVINCIAL
PARLIAMENT WINNING THE
BYELECTION JUST NORTH OF
TORONTO IT.
MEANS THE ONTARIO PRINCE
CHARLES LEADER CAN NOW JOIN
HIS 23 OTHER CONSERVATIVE
COLLEAGUES IN THE LEGISLATURE
AS THE LEADER OF HER IMAGINE
EVIDENTY'S OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION.
HERE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT MADE
JOHN TORY THE MPP CAPTURING
56 percent OF THE VOTE.
THE LIBERALS WERE BEHIND AT
17 percent.
THE NEW DEMOCRATS HAD 14 percent.

A slate shows the information mentioned.

Steve continues AND HERE IS THE LEGISLATURE'S
NEWEST MPP, HOW DOES THAT
SOUND?

John Tory is in his fifties, clean-shaven with brown hair. He’s wearing a gray suit, a yellow tie and a light green shirt.

John says YOU KEEP YOUR FEET ON THE
GROUND ABOUT THESE THINGS.
I'M PROUD TO REPRESENT THE
PEOPLE OF THE PARTY.
AND I'M A LITTLE AP HENCIVE,
BUT I'M GLAD I WON.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
CHALLENGE AHEAD.

Steve says ALL OF THE TIME IN
THE BACK ROOMS OVER THE YEARS.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ANYONE
HAS VOTED FOR YOU WHERE YOU
WON.
WHAT IS THE EXPERIENCE OF
WINNING LIKE?

A caption appears on screen. It reads "John Tory. Ontario PC Leader."

John says IT IS NOT THAT MUCH
DIFFERENT THAN LOSING.
IT FEELS SLIGHTLY BETTER.
I JUST ENJOYED THE EXPERIENCE
OF RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
I HAD 263,000.

Steve asks BUT YOU DIDN'T WIN?

John replies NO I DIDN'T.
I WAS DISAPPOINTED BUT I
ENJOYED THE EXPERIENCE AND GET
I CONDUCTED MYSELF HONOURABLY.
I JUST MOVED FORWARD.
IS THIS BETTER.
I CAPITAL IMAGINE THE
CONSEQUENCES THAT I LOST THE
SEAT.
THIS IS BETTER, IN THAT I NOW
HAVE TAKEN THE NEXT STEP
FORWARD IN THE MUCH BIGGER
CHALLENGE THAT EXISTS FOR MY
PARTY AND MYSELF PERSONALLY,
AND WINNING IS BETTER THAN
LOSING.
THERE ARE NO SECOND PRICES IN
POLITICS.

Steve laughs and says WE WILL SHOW YOU
SOME NUMBERS.
YOUR CONSTITUENTS VOTED FIVE
TIME IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
WE WANT TO BRING SOME NUMBERS
UP TO SHOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE
OF THE VOTESES THAT BEEN AND
THE MARGIN OF VICTORY OVER THE
LAST FIVE ELECTIONS. CAN
WE DO NOW MICHAEL?
BRING UP THOSE NUMBERS.
HERE WE GO.
DUFFERIN,-PEEL, WELLINGTON
GRAY.

The slate changes to show a district map. It reads "1995 General Election Plurality-14,738, 66 per cent- David Tilson."

Steve continues
THE NEXT ELECTION.
1999, AGAIN 16,941
64.76 percent OF THE VOTE.
THE NEXT TIME WAS THE
BY-ELECTION FOR ERNIE EVES.
HE BARELY SQUEEAK THROUGH.
FEWER THAN 50 percent OF THE VOTES.
THE 2003 ELECTION, MISTER EVES BRINGS
IT BACK, 56 percent
ABOUT WHERE YOU HAD IT,
PLURALITY OF 14,363.
AND THEN YOUR NUMBERS FROM
THURSDAY NIGHT, PLURALITY
OF 10,000.
THE SAME OF MISTER EVES’S
NUMBER,
56 PLUS percent OF THE VOTES.
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE COMMON
SENSE REVOLUTION YEARS, AND
YOU AND MISTER EVES EFFORTS 10 percent
OF THE VOTERS IN THAT RIDING
HAVE LEFT THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY. DO YOU KNOW WHY?

John says I THINK PART OF THE RIDING
STARTED TO BECOMING A LITTLE
MORE DIVERSE.
I THINK WE HAVEN'T DONE AS
GOOD OF A JOB AS THE PARTY
OVER THE YEARS NOT SINKING
INTO THE NONTRADITIONAL PEOPLE
LIVING IN THE RIDING AND I
THINK WE HAD MORE DIFFICULTY
IN THE SOUTH END.
IT HAS BECOME MUCH MORE
SUBURBAN IN MISSISSAUGA,
BRAMPTON, MARKHAM, WE HOLD NO
SEATS.
WE LOST OUR CONNECTION WITH
THOSE PEOPLE.
SO, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE
BECOME A BIT MORE LIKE THE
OTHER SUBURBS, IN NOT
BEING -- NOT HAVING THE SAME
ALLEGIANCE.

Steve says IT IS A SOLID WIN.

John smiles and says 56 percent ISN'T TOO BAD.

Steve says THIS IS THE SAFEST
CONSERVATIVE SEAT IN THE
PROVINCE.
SOME MIGHT HAVE EXPECTED YOU
TO HAVE TILSON NUMBERS.

John says I WAS NOT FROM THERE.
THE LIBERALS MADE A HUGE
ISSUE.
THEY CREDITED ENTIRE BROCHURES
THAT DID NOT HAVE MISTER McGUINTY,
THE NAME OF THE LIBERAL PARTY
JUST TALKING ABOUT ME AND MY
PLANS TO LEAVE.
I THINK GIVEN ALL OF THAT WE
DID QUITE WELL. THEY RAN
EVERYTHING AGAINST ME.
THEY ROAD TESTED ALL OF THEIR
THEORIES.
THEY RAN NEGATIVE PAMPHLETS ON
EDUCATION AND THIS AND THAT IS
THE OTHER THING.
56 percent.3 percent.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE
WHOLE ELECTION OVER ONTARIO IN
THE 2003, AND SAID HOW MANY
GOT THAT PERCENTAGE, THERE
WEREN'T MANY.
I'M HAPPY WITH IT.

Steve says YOU SAID YOU WANTED
TO BRING HONESTY AND DECENCY
TO QUEENS PARK SUGGESTING YOU
THINK THE McGUINTY GOVERNMENT
IS DISHONEST AND INDECENT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT TO SAY?

John says THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS.
I THINK THE LEVEL OF HONESTY
WITH THE PEOPLE HAS TAKEN A
REAL BEATING.
PEOPLE NOW ARE ALMOST AFRAID
TO EL TO THE TRUTH TO THE
PUBLIC.
THEY WOULD RATHER OBSCURE IT
OR FIND A WAY AROUND IT.
I THINK IT IS NEW.
I THINK MISTER McGUINTY HAD
PARTICULAR PROBLEM, BECAUSE HE
MADE 231 PROMISES HE MUST HAVE
KNOWN.
SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN HE
COULDN'T HAVE KEPT ALL OF
THOSE PROMISES NOW HE LOOKS
LIKE HE'S GOING BACK ON HIS
WORD.
THERE'S NOTHING WORSE.

Steve says IN MY EXPERIENCE
COVERING POLITICS DARN NEAR
EVERY POLITICIAN PROMISING TO
BE MORE HONEST HAS ENDED UP
REGRETING THOSE WORDS, BECAUSE
THEY SET A STANDARD THAT
SIMPLY CAN'T BE MET.
ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT THAT?

John says THE FIRST WAY TO DEAL WITH
THAT IS NOT MAKING TOO MANY
COMMITMENTS.
YOU MAKE COMMITMENTS YOU'RE
CERTAIN AS FAR AS YOU CANNOT
BE CERTAIN YOU CAN KEEP.
AS SOON AS YOU CAN'T, YOU
FESS UP AND SAY THERE'S A
PROBLEM HERE.
AND TELL THEM THE PROBLEM.
PEOPLE WILL FORGIVE YOU, IF
YOU'RE HONEST IN TELLING THEM
THE
CIRCUMSTANCES.

Steve says THAT'S NOT THE CASE
WITH McGUINTY?

John says THESE WERE TOTALLY BLATANT.
SAYING I WILL NOT RAISE YOUR
TAXES I HAD PEOPLE REPEATING
THOSE ADVERTISEMENTS ON THE
DOORSTEPS SAYING HE LOOKED ON
THE TV AND SAID I WILL NOT
RAISE YOUR TAXES THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, AND THE WEATHER
WAS BAD.
THEY JUST SAY LOOK, YOU WERE
SKAD ALL OF THAT DURING THE
ELECTION WHAT IF THE BOOKS
WERE WORSE?
THERE ARE REPORTS OF THE
DEFICIT OF 4 BILLION DOLLARS, NO YOUR
TAXES ARE NOT GOING UP.

Steve says YOU RAISED ISSUE OF
THE DEFICIT AND
POTENTIALLY FAIRLY DIFFICULT
NEWS FOR THE GOVERNMENT.
THE PROVINCIAL AUDITOR SAYS
SOME HYDRO REVENUES THE
GOVERNMENT WAS OUT PUTTING
TOWARDS THE BOTTOM LINE.
THEY CANN’T DO THAT, WHICH MEANS
IF THEY ACCEPT THE AUDITOR'S
ADVICE IT IS NOT 2.1 BILLION DOLLARS,
IT IS 6 BILLION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?

John says THEY ARE BIGS.
2 BILLION YOU'RE CLOSER TO A BALANCED
BUDGET AND MIGHT HAVE MORE
FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF
SPENDING WHAT I WAS MOST
SHOCKED ABOUT TALKING THAT THE
ACCOUNTING MANEUVER WAS NOT
SUCCESSFUL.
NOT WHEN HE CAME FORWARD AND
SAID THAT, AT LAST, BUT MORE
THAT HE DID NOT SAY BY THE WAY
HERE IS MY PLAN TO DEAL WITH
IT.
HE DIDN'T ADDRESS THE
COMMITMENT THEY MADE ONE OF
MISTER McGUINTY'S PROMISES TO
BALANCE BY 2070.

Steve says COULD YOU DO THAT STILL
IF IT IS
STILL 6 BILLION DOLLARS.?

John says I THINK IF YOU WORK WITH A
PLAN IT WOULD INVOLVE GETTING
SOME OF THE HELP MISTER McGUINTY
HAS TALKED ABOUT, WHICH I
SUPPORT HIM ON.
I DON'T SUPPORT THE METHODS,
BUT THE PRINCIPALLE.
BUT YES YOU COULD.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WILL TO
SAY IT IS IMPORTANT.
EVEN IF THEY SAID, IT WAS A
YEAR AFTER.
THAT I WOULD SAY WELL, WE
COULD AT LEAST MEASURE HOW THE
PLAN WAS GOING BETWEEN NOW AND
2008, BUT THERE IS NO PLAN.

Steve says BUT THEY HAVEN’T WALKED AWAY
OF THEIR PROMISE TO
BALANCE THE BUDGET--

John says HE CAME CLOSE TO THAT.

Steve says CAME CLOSE?

John says HE DID -- I THINK IT IS ON ITS
WAY.

Steve says YOU SAID EARLY
YOU'RE HONEST WITH THE PEOPLE
OF DUFFERIN, PEEL, WELLINGTON
GREY.
YOU SAID I'M THERE FOR A GOOD
TIME, NOT A LONG TIME.

John says THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS.
I SAID I WILL NOT BE HERE IN
2070.

Steve smiles.

Steve says I PUT IT MORE COLOQUIALLY.
THE HUNT FOR A NEW RIGHTING IN
TORONTO STARTS WHEN?

John says A YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW.

Steve says NOT BEFORE A YEAR
AND A HALF?

John says NO, I HAVE MORE IMPORTANT
THINGS TO DO -- SERVING THE
RIDING I WAS JUST ELECTED AND
REBUILDING THE PARTY IN TERMS
OF ITS FINANCES AND
OPPOSITION.
WE'RE NOT LETTING ANYONE ELSE
BE NOMINATED FOR A YEAR OR
MORE.
WE WANT PROPER ORGANIZATION,
MAKE SURE THEY HAVE MONEY IN
THE BANK.
IF I'M NOT LETTING ANYONE ELSE
GET NOMINATED I WON'T MAKE AN
EXCEPTION FOR MYSELF.

Steve says I WANT A SENSE OF
WHAT KIND OF CONSERVATIVE YOU
ARE.
HERE IS A TEST CASE THAT MIGHT
HELP ME UNDERSTAND.
THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT LOANED
3 MILLION DOLLARS TO BRING THE "LORD
OF THE RINGS" PLAY TO TORONTO.
WOULD YOU DO THE SAME THING?

John says YES, IN THAT CASE YOU WOULD
BE ABLE TO DO A QUICK BUSINESS
CASE SAYING YOU WILL GET THAT
MONEY BACK MANY, MANY TIMES
THROUGH SALES TAXES, HOTEL
TAXES AND THE PROVINCE CHARGES
A TAX ON THE TICKETS FOR THE
THEATER.
YOU GET MONEY BACK MANY TIMES
OVER.
WHAT WOULD DISTINGUISH ME FROM
SOME OF THE DECISIONS THE
LIBERALS MADE THEY DON'T
ALWAYS DO THE BUSINESS CASE.
AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS SET THE
PRIORITIES.
I WOULD SAY THIS WILL REALLY
HELP TO HELP THE TORONTO
ECONOMY REBOUND, STILL IN
TROUBLE FROM SARS.
DWISHLING IT INTO THE 400
MILLION DOLLARS GOING INTO THE NEW
CASINO, WHICH WILL PAY A
RETURN, BUT TAKE THAT AMOUNT
OF MONEY AT THIS POINT IN TIME
WHEN YOU CLAIM YOU HAVE NO
MONEY FOR HOSPITALS AND
FARMERS I THINK IS MIXED UP
PRIORITIES.
I WOULD POSTPONE THE CASINO AT
400 MILLION DOLLARS.
AND DOT THEATER AT 3 MILLION DOLLARS.
AND ASSUMING BOTH HAD SOLID
BUSINESS CASES.

Steve says PLEASE
COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING
SENTENCE.

John laughs.

Steve continues THE MAIN THING I WANT TO HOLD
THIS GOVERNMENT INTO ACCOUNT
TO IS:

John says THEIR COMPLETE LACK OF A PLAN
GOVERNING ONTARIO ON THE BACK
OF AN ENVELOPE.
PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AT STAKE.
BUSINESSES, HEALTHCARE, YOU
CAPITAL GOVERNOR ONTARIO ON
THE BACK OF AN ENVELOPE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE GOALS
ACCOUNTABILITY AND DO WHAT YOU
SAID YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
HE'S NOT DOING ANY OF THAT.

Steve says JOHN TORY,
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR
VICTORY AND THANKS FOR STIS
VISITING US IN STUDIO 2.

John says THANKS FOR
HAVING ME STEVE.

Steve says IF YOU ARE
WONDERING INCIDENTALLY
WHICH JOHN TORY’S ELECTION
EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE,
WE ARE HAPPY TO OBLIGE.
HERE ARE THE SIGHTS AND SOUNDS
OF THE PC LEADERS
WIN IN DUFFERIN PEEL
WELLINGTON, GRAY.

A clip plays.

John celebrates a political victory next to a group of cheering people.

Steve says IT CAME AS A SURPRISE TO NO
ONE.
STILL SUPPORTERS WERE EUSTATIC
AS POLL AFTER POLL PUT TORY
INDISPUTABLEABLY IN THE LEAD.
MINUTES LATER, THE WIN WAS
DECLARED AND TORY
TOOK THE STAGE.

John says I ASK YOU AND PEOPLE ACROSS
THIS RIDING TO SEND DALTON
McGUINTY A MESSAGE END AND ME
TO DELIVER THAT MESSAGE.
THE PEOPLE OF DUFFERIN
PEEL-WELLINGTON "GRAY SENT A
STRONG MESSAGE.

Steve says A CRUCIAL VICTORY
SINCE ERNIE EVES STEPPED DOWN.
AFTER THE 2003 ELECTION.
PRINCE CHARLES CAUCUS MEMBERS
SAY TORY'S PRESENCE HAS
ALREADY MADE ALL OF THE
DIFFERENCE.

The caption changes to "Tim Hudak, MPP. PC, Erie-Lincoln." Tim is in his forties, clean-shaven with grayish hair.

Speaking to the press, Tim says I THINK JOHN'S APPROACH IS
THE RIGHT WAY.
THEY CONCENTRATED ON BRINGING
THE PARTY TOGETHER AND
RESTORING MORAL TO THE PRINCE
CHARLES PARTY OF ONTARIO.

Steve says TORY ALLUDED TO McGUINTY
REPRESENTATION OF BROKEN
PROMISES SAYING HE WAS
DISCOURAGED BY THE CYNICISM
EXPRESSED BY VOTERS.

John says I AM DETERMINED TO DO
EVERYTHING TO BRING MORE
HONESTY AND DESENCEY TO THE
POLITICAL PROCESS AND REBUILD
FAITH IN THE POLITICS AND THE
PEOPLE IN POLITICS.

Steve says ALTHOUGH TORY SAYS HE PLANS
TO SEEK A TORONTO SEAT IN THE
NEXT ELECTION HE SAYS HE IS
GRATEFUL TO THE VOTERS
FORGIVING HIM HIS FIRST EVER
ELECTORIAL WIN.

John says I WILL NEVER EVER FORGET
THIS MOMENT AND THE TRUST
PLACED IN MY BY THE PEOPLE
ACROSS THIS RIDING AND THE
PEOPLE AND THE COMMUNITIES OF
DUFFERIN,-PEEL-WELLINGTON,
GREY.

[applause]

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Steve says LET'S SEE HOW JOHN TORY'S WIN
WILL SHAKE UP ONTARIO POLITICS.
SEAN CONWAY, JANET ECKER, AND
DAVE COOKE, THE FORMER NDP
CABINET MINISTER.
YOU'RE ALL NEWSPAPER EDITORS.
WHAT'S THE HEADLINE?

Janet is in her forties, with short blond hair. She’s wearing a dark red blazer over a white blouse and glasses.

Janet says IT STARTS NOW.
THE BUILDING OF THE NEW JOHN
TORY GOVERNMENT.

Steve says IT STARTS NOW THE
BUILDING OF THE NEW TORY
GOVERNMENT.
SEAN CONWAY.

Sean is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with blond hair. He’s wearing glasses, a dark gray suit, light blue shirt and red tie.

Sean says TORY LEADER WINS.
SAVE TORY SEAT.

Janet and Steve laugh.

Janet says 17 percent.

Steve says THAT'S THE SUBTITLE.
OK, DAVE COOKE.

Dave s in his late forties, with short hair and clean-shaven. He’s wearing a black jacket and a blue shirt.

Dave says I WOULD SAY LIBERAL VOTE
COLLAPSES.

Steve says THAT'S WHERE I GO
BACK TO SEAN CONWAY.
BECAUSE IT DID.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IT DID?

The caption changes to "Sean Conway. Former Liberal Cabinet Minister."

Sean says BYELECTIONS DO GENERALLY
HAVE AN ANTIGOVERNMENT IMPULSE.
I THINK 43 YEARS AGO IN THE
PREMIERSHIP WAS ROCKED BY
ELECTION TROUBLES 32 YEARS AGO
THIS WEEK.
BILL DAVIS WAS RATTLED WHEN HE
WAS SOUNDLY DEFEATED AND JANET
ECKER LONG A TORY BASTIAN FELL
THE SAME DAY.
NOT ALWAYS, BUT OFTEN
BY-ELECTION HAVE AN
ANTIGOVERNMENT IMPULSE.
I THINK THE LIBERALS HAVE TO
BE CONCERNED, NOT JUST WITH
THEIR DROPPING THE SHARE OF
THE VOTE NA RIDING WHERE THEY
DON'T DO WELL GENERALLY.
OUTSIDE OF ONE OCCASION IN
1987 WHERE THE LIBERALS
PROVINCIALLY WERE REMOTELY
COMPETITIVE IN THAT RIDING.
CERTAINLY, IF I LOOK AT THE
NDP VOTE, THE INCREASE IN THE
NDP VOTE IN DUFFERIN AND PEAL
AND THINK WHAT HAPPENED IN
HAMILTON EAST.
THE STORES HAVE TO BE
CONCERNED THAT THE NDP VOTE IS
STARTING TO MOVE A BIT.

Steve says LET'S FIND OUT HOW
LIFE REALLY CHANGES WHEN THE
LEADER PICKED AT A CONVENTION
FINALLY GETS ELECTED AND YOU
BOTH HAVE EXPERIENCE.
LET ME GO TO YOU FIRST.
WHEN BOB RAE WAS CHOSEN HE
DIDN'T HAVE A SEAT.
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE
WHEN HE IS ACTUALLY THERE?

The caption changes to "Dave Cooke. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."

Dave says UNTIL THE TIME THE LEADER
IS IN THE HOUSE.
IT IS LIKE YOU'RE FILLING
TIME.
YOU'RE WAITING FOR THE STAGE
TO PRO.
AND THE FIGHT TO BEGIN.
SO, I THINK -- THERE'S JUST
THAT DAY-TO-DAY DIRECT
INVOLVEMENT OF THE LEADER.
FROM EVERYTHING FROM PLANNING
QUESTION PERIOD, THAT HE OR
SHE IS GOING TO BE IN THE
HOUSE TO LEAD.
IT REALLY REVS UP THE TROOPS.
IT TAKES YOU TO THE NEXT STEP.

Steve says YOU EXPERIENCED THIS WITH
ERNIE EVES WHEN HE HAD TO FIND
A SEAT.
HOW IS IT DIFFERENT WHEN THE
LEADER IS THERE?

The caption changes to "Janet Ecker. Former P.C. Cabinet Minister."

Janet says THE GOOD NEWS.
THE LEADER HAS A LOT OF TIME
TO GO OFF AND TEND TO OTHER
PARTY MATTERS.
FOR EXAMPLE, JOHN HAS BEEN
ABLE TO START BUILDING THE
BRIDGES HE NEEDS IN RIDING TO
GET GOOD CANDIDATES AND
BROUGHT THE DEBT DOWN TO 25 percent.
THAT'S THE GOOD PIECE.
THE DOWN SIDE OF NOT HAVING
YOUR LEADER THERE, IS DAVE
SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE THE
VISIBLE FACE EVERY DAY IN THE
LEGISLATURE, LEADING THE TACK
ON THE GOVERNMENT OR THE
DEFENSE OF THE GOVERNMENT IN
ERNIE'S CASE.
JOHN NOW HAS THE OPPORTUNITY.
HE HAS FOUND HIS FEET AS THE
LEADER OF THE PARTY AND CAUCUS
AND HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO
FIND HIS FEET IN THE HOUSE.
IT IS A UNIQUE SKILL.
THE LIBERALS FINALLY HAVE THEM
WHERE THEY WANT THEM KIND OF
THING.
I THINK YOU WILL SEE SOME
REALLY EXCITING DEBATES AND
DISCUSSION IN THE HOUSE.

Steve says CAN I ASK YOU, JANET,
I WANT TO KEEP WITH YOU.
TWO WORDS IN MISTER TORY'S SPEECH,
HONESTY AND DECENCY SAYING
WE'RE LACKING THOSE AT QUEENS
PARK.
I THINK WE CAN REMEMBER DAVID
PETERSON SAYING HE WANTED A
MORE HONEST AND DECENT
GOVERNMENT AND SET A BAR, THAT
MANY CABINET MINISTERS
COULDN'T LIVE UP TO.
ARE YOU CONCERNED JOHN TORY
SETTING THE BAR TOO HIGH?

Janet says I DON'T CRITICIZE HIM FOR
SETTING THE BAR HIGH.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO.
I'M VERY FOND OF JOHN AND VERY
HAPPY FOR HIM.
I JUST HOPE IT GOES WELL FOR
HIM.
YOU WORRY WHEN YOU SET THE BAR
HIGH, BECAUSE IT IS A RISKY
THING TO DO.
BUT HE HAS COURAGE.
HE HAS AN INCREDIBLE BELIEF IN
PUBLIC SERVICE.
AND I THINK THAT THE VOTERS
FROM HIM WILL GET THE MOST
DETERMINED EFFORT THAT THEY
WILL GET TO INDEED KEEP THAT
BAR VERY HIGH.

Steve says CAN YOU SET THE BAR
TOO HIGH SEAN?

Sean says I HAVE KNOWN JOHN TORY A
LONG TIME.
LIKE JANET AND DAVID, ANYONE
WHO HAS KNOWN JOHN IS IMPRESSED
BY HIHG INTEGRITY AND BASIC
DECENCY.
I HAVE ALSO KNOWN DALTON
McGUINTY A LONG TIME.
AND I THINK JOHN IN THE
EUPHORIA OF THE MOMENT DIDN'T
MEAN TO CREATE THE IMPRESSION
HE DID.
ANYONE WHO KNOWS DALTON
McGUINTY KNOWS HE'S A VERY
DECENT HONOURABLE GUY.
NEW TO GOVERNMENT, AND AS
JANET SAID, I THINK PEOPLE
KNEW TO GOVERNMENT FINE THE
CHALLENGES OF GOVERNMENT ARE
MORE DIFFICULT THAT PERHAPS
THE OPPORTUNITIES IN
OPPOSITION.
JOHN TORY HAS BEEN AROUND A
LONG TIME.
HE HAS BEEN THROUGH GOOD TIMES
AND BAD TIMES.
HE WAS INVOLVED WITH THE
CAMPBELL CAMPAIGN IN 1993, AS
I RECALL.
HE WAS THERE AT THE END OF THE
DAVIS ERA.
HE KNOWS WHAT IT IS TO WIN, TO
LOSE.
HE KNOWS --

Janet says HE KNOWS WHAT IT IS TO LEAD
IN A DIFFERENT AREAS.
HE HAS LED POLITICLY BEHIND
THE SCENES.
HE LEAD A CAMPAIGN, BUSINESS,
AND FUNDRAISING.
HE HAS AN INTERESTING DEPTH.

Dave says THIS IS NOT THE FIRST
LEADER TO COME INTO THE HOUSE
AND SAY I'M -- WE'RE GOING TO
BRING DECENCY AND COOL THE
TEMPERATURE.
THE FACT IS THE MOTIVATION FOR
OPPOSITION PARTIES IS ALWAYS
GOING TO BE THE MORE RUCKUS,
THERE IS IN THE LEGISLATURE,
IT IS BETTER FOR THE
OPPOSITION.
IF IT IS CALM AND WELL-RUN.
THE FACE OF THE GOVERNMENT
BECOMES ONE OF WELL-MANAGED.

Steve laughs.

Dave continues MISTER TORY MIGHT SAY WHAT HE IS
SAYING TODAY.
I THINK MISTER PETERSON AND
MISTER RAE SAID HE WOULD DO THAT.
WHEN HE GETS THERE HE MIGHT
HAVE A SECOND THOUGHT.

Steve says WHAT KIND OF ROUGH
RIDE DO YOU THINK HE IS IN FOR
ON THE 29th OF MARCH WHEN HE
HAS TO ASK QUESTIONS.

Sean says I DON'T THINK THE ROUGH
RIDE WILL BE DAY ONE.
I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE
PROFESSIONALLY POLITE --

Smiling, Janet says IN THIS CHAMBER AND LEGISLATURE?

Sean continues I WAS STRUCK BY THE WAY IN
THE PAST FEW DAYS, YOU WERE
SEEING IN THE TORY CAMP,
SEEING AND HEARING A LOT OF
PARTICULARLY BILL DAVIS AND
SOMEWHAT, ERNIE EVES, I WASN'T
SEEING OR HEARING MUCH OF MIKE
HARRIS.
I THINK JOHN TORY --

Janet says HE KNOWS THE BALANCE--

Sean continues HE WANTS THE INCLUSIVENESS
OF THE BILL DAVIS AND THE
CLARITY OF MIKE HARRIS.
I THINK THE LIBERALS WILL
TRY TO EXPLOIT THAT BILL DAVIS
AND MIKE HARRIS REPRESENTED
ANTITHETICAL ATTITUDES.

Steve says THE LIBERALS I'M
SURE WILL TELL US IN THE DAYS
AHEAD.
WE HAVE TWO OTHER STORIES
THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT
THIS WEEK.
THE "TORONTO STAR" LEAKED
DETAILS OF THE FUNDING
AGREEMENT OF ONTARIO'S
DOCTORS.
CHECKING OUT SOME OF THOSE
NUMBERS.
HERE IS WHAT THE "STAR" SAYS
THEY HAVE LEARNED.
FAMILY DOCTORS WILL GET AN
EXTRA 51,000 DOLLARS PER DOCTOR
OVER THE 4 YEAR LIFE OF THE
AGREEMENT WHICH WILL END
IN 2008.
THEY WILL EARN AN IMMEDIATE
FEE INCREASE OF 2.5 percent.
IN THE LAST AGREEMENT, WHICH
THE DOCTORS TURNED DOWN THEY
HAD TO WAIT A YEAR BEFORE
GETTING ANY INCREASES.
SPECIALISTS WOULD GET
MORE WITH CARDIOVASCULAR
SURGEONS WINNING THE HIGHEST
INCREASE MORE THAN 80,000 DOLLARS A
YEAR AND THE BILLING CAP OF
455,000 CAP WILL NOW END
APRIL 1 OF THIS YEAR.

A new slate shows the data mentioned.

Steve continues WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?

Janet says I THINK THEY HAD TO GO
THERE.
THEY NEEDED DOCTORS ON SITE.
THEY NEED DOCTORS IN THE
PROVINCE TO DELIVER ON THE
TRANSFORMATIONAL AGENA.

Steve says IT COSTS MORE.

Janet continues IT IS MAKING THEM LOOK BAD.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY CAVED IT
LOOKS LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A
PLAN AND IT SETS A HIGH
PRESSURE POINT, IF YOU WILL,
FOR ALL OF THE OTHER
AGREEMENTS THAT WILL BE
NEGOTIATED.
WHETHER IT IS NURSES, TEACHERS
OR WHATEVER.
I THINK THEY HAD TO GO THERE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK
THE "STAR" LETTER RESTEVE
REVEALS THEY DID IT IF IT IS
ACCURATE AT THE
EXPENSE -- LIKE THEY DELAYED
OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT
WANTED TO BRING IN.
I THINK THEY WILL GET SOME
CRITICISM FOR.

Steve says SEAN, HOW DID THE PROVINCE
FINE THE MONEY IT SAID IT
DIDN'T HAVE.

Sean says MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE
"STAR" IS THE OMA LETTER TO
THE MEMBERS.

Steve says CORRECT.

Sean continues I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD
NEWS.
WE HAVE THE OMA AGGRESSIVELY
SELLING THE DEAL TO THEIR
MEMBERS.
THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST TIME.
I THINK IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A
OBJECTIVE TEXT OF THE ACTUALLY
AGREEMENT.
WHAT I SEE IN THE "STAR."
ARTICLE, NOT ALL TOGETHER A
SURPRISE.
I THINK THERE'S A PRO OMA SPIN
ON , IT AS IT SHOULD BE GIVEN
ITS SOURCE.
I'M NOT AT ALL SURPRISED TO
SEE THERE ARE SPECIFIC
INSENTIVES IN EXACTLY THE
AREAS WE EXPECTED I A WOULDN'T
BE SURPRISED TO SEE THE FINAL
DOCUMENT FROM BOTH PARTIES,
THAT THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT HAVE
INFACT HAD TO SWEETEN THE POT.
IT WAS A NEGOTIATION AROUND A
CRITICAL PUBLIC SERVICE.

Dave says THE IMPRESSION IS THAT
THE POT HAS BEEN SWEATEN A LOT---

Janet says 120
MILLION DOLLARS IS NOT--

Dave continues IT IS GOING TO BE REALLY
TOUGH.
THE TEACHERS ARE NEGOTIATING
HARD FOR -- MOR PREP TIME, AND
BIG SALARY INCREASES AND OF
COURSE, IT IS GOING TO BE
DIRECTLY AT THE BARGAINING
TABLE.
THE OTHER THING THAT STRIKES
ME, THE GOVERNMENT HAS GOT TO
FIND A BETTER WAY WITH THE OMA
OF A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
ONCE YOU REACH THE DEAL,
THERE'S ACTUALLY A VOTE ON THE
DEAL.
IT IS JUST NOT -- IT
DOESN'T HAPPEN IN ANY OTHER
FIELD.
I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTY
DOCTORS ARE ALL OVER THE
PLACE.
WHEN IT LEAKS OUT IN THIS WAY.
I THINK THE TAXPAYERS LOOK AT
THIS AND SAY GOVERNMENT
PULLING THE WOOL OVER THEIR
EYES.

Steve says LAST QUICK WORD?

Janet says IT IS THE MANAGEMENT OF THE
ISSUE.
I'M SURE THE GOVERNMENT HAS A
STORY TO TELL ABOUT WHAT THEY
THINK THEY GOT FOR PATIENTS OR
TAXPAYERS.
THAT'S NOT OUT THERE.
WE HAVE THE OMA'S VERSION.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT HAS COME
OUT, NOT THE GOVERNMENT SIDE.
I THINK THERE ARE MANAGEMENT
ISSUES THAT HAVE TO GET A
BETTER HANDLE ON IT.

Steve says WE HAVE ONE MORE
ITEM THAT WE WANT TO
TALK ABOUT, MENTIONED
ACTUALLY IN MY INTERVIEW
WITH JOHN TORY.
THIS TIME AFFECTING THE
LIBERAL GOVERNMENT'S BOTTOM
LINE.
THE PROVINCIAL AUDITOR HAS
TOLD THE GOVERNMENT THERE'S AN
ADDITIONAL 3.9 BILLION DOLLARS OF
DEFICIT ON THE BOOKS.
BECAUSE OF THE ACCOUNTING
PRACTICES RELATED TO HYDRO
REVENUE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BORE YOU
WITH THE EXPLANATION, BECAUSE
IT IS TOO TOUGH TO
EXPLAIN.
EXCEPT IF THE LIBERALS ACCEPT
THE AUDITOR'S RULING THE
DEFICIT WILL NOT BE 2.1
BILLION.
IT WILL BE 6 BILLION.
6 BILLION DOLLARS.
SEAN, WHAT DOES THIS DO TO ANY HOPES
THE LIBERALS HAVE OF BALANCING
THE BOOKS IN THE FIRST TERM?

Sean says WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT
FINANCE MINISTER SORBARRA
TELLS US IN THE SPRING 2005
BUDGET.
THE ITEM HAS BEEN AN ITEM OF
SOME CONTENTION FOR THE PAST
YEAR.
IT IS PRIMARILY ABOUT
ELECTRICITY CONTRACTS ENTERED
INTO OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS
BETWEEN THE OLD ONTARIO HYDRO
AND A COUPLE OF SUCCESSOUR
COMPANIES AND A NUMBER OF
POWER PRODUCERS.
SO IT IS LARGELY AN ACCOUNTING
MATTER.
I THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS
PROBABLY BEEN WISE TO TAKE THE
ADVICE THEY HAVE GOTTEN THERE
HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THE
ELECTRICITY POLICY OVER THE
LAST SIX TO TWELVE MONTHS.

Steve says THIS IS HUGE.

Janet says THEY ARE CARTED OFF IN
HANDCUFFS FOR THIS IN THE
CORPORATE WORLD.

Sean says I DON’T AGREE WITH THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOUR
VIEWERS WITH TOO MUCH OF THIS.
MY FRIEND JANET ECKER AND
ERNIE EVES AND MIKE HARRIS AND
ANY TORY THAT WANTS TO HAVE A
GOOD FORENSIC AUDIT OF THE
HYDRO ACCOUNTS OVER FIVE OR
TEN YEARS, OF WHICH THIS IS
A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PART, BE
MY GUEST.

Janet says I DON'T DISAGREE.
REMEMBER WE GET BACK TO
SETTING THE BAR.
THEY SET THE BAR UP.
THEY TRIED SOMETHING I WOULD
BET THE MORTGAGE THE
PROFESSIONAL STAFF OF THE
MINISTRY WOULD SAY THIS IS A
HI-RISK MOVE THE AUDITOR WOULD
NOT TAKE THIS.
THE HUMAN SIDE HAS A LOT OF
EXAMINATION FOR THE FINANCE
MINISTER FACING THE PROBLEMS
THEY HAVE.
WHAT PART OF WE HAVE BIG
PROBLEMS WERE THEY NOT HEARING
WHEN WE WERE THERE BEFORE.
THE TAXPAYER SIDE IS QUITE
WORRIED.

Steve asks BECAUSE?

Janet replies THEY RAISED TAXES AND DID
THINGS CAUSING SLOWER ECONOMIC
GROWTH.
THEY SPENT MORE.
THEY NEED THAT FIX FROM OTTAWA.
THE ECONOMY IS SLOWING DOWN I
DON'T KNOW WHAT OPTIONS THE
POLITICAL PARTISAN SIDE SAYS
YOU KNOW WHAT, COULDN'T HAPPEN
TO A NICER BUNCH OF FOLKS,
BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WERE
GOING TO FIX IT.

Steve laughs.

Janet continues IT WOULD BE SO EASY AND THEY
FIND THE CHICKENS HAVE COME TO
ROOST.

Steve says FINANCE MINISTER AFTER THEY
WENT BACK ON THE WORD HE SAID
THIS IS THE LAST TIME WE WILL
HAVE TO DO THIS.
DO YOU THINK IT IS POSSIBLE TO
HOLD TO THAT PLEDGE, NOW THAT
THE DEFICIT MAY BE 6 BILLION,
NOT 2.1.

Dave says I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WILL
DELIVER ON THEIR CAMPAIGN
PROMISES THIS GOVERNMENT WILL
BE RE-ELECTED OR DEFEATED ON
THE BASIS OF IMPROVED
HEALTHCARE AND IMPROVED
EDUCATION.
IT CAN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT MORE
MONEY.
THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THE
REVENUE.

Janet says BECAUSE THE DECISIONS THEY
MADE SLOWING ECONOMIC GROWTH.

Dave continues AND IF JOHN TORY GETS IN
AND ELIMINATES THE TAXES
BROUGHT IN NEXT YEAR.
WE HAVE EVEN A LOWER BAR OF
REVENUE TO PAY FOR SERVICES.
HE HASN'T SAID HE WOULD PAY
FOR IT.
I AGREE WITH SEAN, THIS IS
PRIMARILY AN ACCOUNTING.
NOLOGY HAS REALLY CHANGED
YESTERDAY TO TODAY.
BUT THE POLITICS OF IT IS
REALLY BAD AND I'M LOOKING AT
THE LAST YEAR THAT MISTER SOBARA
HAS BEEN AROUND AND ALMOST
EVERYTHING HE IS TOUCHING IS
TURNED INTO BAD POLITICS.
SOMEONE HAS TO BE SCRATCHING
THEIR HEAD SAYING THE
POLITICAL GENIUS MISTER SORBARA
HAS PROBLEMS DEMOSTRATING
THAT GENIUS.

Steve says LAST 30 SECONDS.

Sean says ON THE HYDRO MATTERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HAVE
DISCOVERED IS THE SO-CALLED
RATE CAP WAS ACTUALLY COSTING
A BILLION DOLLARS.
I THINK THERE IS NO QUESTION,
IS THIS PRIMARILY AN ACCOUNTING
MATTER, YOU CAN'T HAVE A DEBATE
WHETHER IT IS WISE WITH 20-20
HINDSIGHT TO TAKE IT INTO ONE
YEAR.

Janet says YOU WOULDN’T KNOWN--

Sean continues -- I CAN TELL YOU JANET.

Steve says 3 SECONDS --

Sean says WELL, ANYWAY...

Janet and Dave chuckle.

Steve says SEAN CONWAY, JANET
ECKER -- YOU CAN'T GET WOUND
UP WHEN I HAVE SO LITTLE TIME
LEFT. DAVE COOKE, THANKS
A LOT FOR THIS.
THAT'S "4TH READING" I'M STEVE
PAIKIN.
UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY, THANK YOU.

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Director, Michael Smith.

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