Transcript: Winter Tourism, Winter Driving | Jan 29, 2004

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In animation, against a backdrop of colourful squares in hues of purple, blue and orange, words fly by as clips show people performing different activities: More to Health, More to Education, More to Science, More to Money, More to Family, More to Ontario. Finally, the title of the show reads "More to life."

Mary Ito sits in a studio made of translucent panes that mimic the animated presentation of the show.

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a black pinstripe blazer over a blue blouse and a choker necklace.

Mary says HELLO, EVERYONE OF THE I'M MARY ITO. WELCOME TO "MORE TO LIFE." LATER ON THE SHOW, TIPS FOR WINTER DRIVING. WE'LL TELL YOU HOW TO GET HOME SAFE WHEN IT'S STORMING OUTSIDE. BUT FIRST, WHERE DO YOU DREAM OF GOING WHEN THE WEATHER IS LIKE THIS? FLORIDA? MEXICO? THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC? SOMEWHERE HOT AND SUNNY, RIGHT? BUT WHILE YOU'RE PACKING YOUR SWIMSUIT AND LOADING UP ON SUN SCREEN, OTHERS ARE LOADING UP THE PARKA A'S AND LOADING UP ON BLISTEX AND COMING HERE, TO ONTARIO. WHO ARE THESE FOLKS? WE'LL GET THE RUN DOWN FROM OUR TOURISM EXPERTS TODAY. IN THE STUDIO IS ELLEN FLOWERS, MANAGER OF MEDIA RELATIONS FOR TOURISM ONTARIO...

Ellen is in her thirties, with long wavy dark hair in a ponytail. She's wearing a black jacket and a gray turtleneck.

Mary continues ANDL HELEN LUBKIN IS MEDIA RELATIONS CORDNATOR WITH NORTH AMERICA WITH ONTARIO TOURISM...

Helen is in her fifties, with long straight ginger hair. She's wearing glasses and a dark green jacket.

Mary continues WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU TODAY. MAYBE YOU KNOW WHAT THE MOST POPULAR ATTRACTION IN ONTARIO IS. OR MAYBE YOU WANT TO TELL US WHY YOUR TOWN OR CITY IS THE PERFECT WINTER GET YOU WAY. WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU IN ALL PARTS OF ONTARIO. WE HAVE COPIES OF THE BOOK "I HATE WINTER." BUT YES, "I HATE WINTER." A GUIDE TO WINTER OUTING IN ONTARIO...

A picture of the book appears briefly on screen. The cover features two pictures of frozen landscapes.

Mary continues WE'LL GIVE THAT WAY TO THREE LUCKY CALLERS TO MAKE IT TO AIR AND YOU CAN ALSO E-MAIL WITH US A COMMENT OR A BRIEF QUESTION...

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary continues WELCOME, ELLEN AND HELEN. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TODAY. WE WERE JUST TALKING BEFORE WE WENT ON THE AIR. YOU WERE DOWN IN... SHE'S LIKE, YES, I WAS! I'M SORRY. WAS IT DENVER.

Helen says AND SEATTLE.

Mary says HOW IS THAT THE ONTARIO TOURISM COORDINATOR GETS TO MISS ALL OF THE STORMS? YEAH, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE.

Helen says I WAS SPREADING THE GOOD WORD TO TRAVEL MEDIA IN SEATTLE AND IN DENVER. WHILE I WAS AWAY DOING THAT, OF COURSE, THE... I CALL HOME EVERY NIGHT AND MY HUSBAND WOULD SAY, IT'S STILL SNOWING AND I CALL THE NEXT NIGHT, AND IT'S STILL SNOWING OF THE HE'S STILL SHOVELING . BY THE TIME I GOT BACK, IT HAD STOPPED. SO SORRY, I MISSED IT.

Mary says YOU MISSED IT OF THE SEE, YOU CAN STILL EXTOL OUR VIRTUES. YOU MISSED...

Helen says ALL THE PEOPLE IN COLORADO WERE THRILLED THEY HAVE A LOT OF SNOW. DENVER DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF SNOW.

Mary says IT DOESN'T?

Helen says ALL THE THIN CRUSTY STUFF.

Mary says YOU THINK OF THE IN THE... OF SKIING.

Helen says THEY GET IT WAY UP IN THE MOUNTAINS.

Mary says DO DENVERITES COME HERE TO SKI?

The caption changes to "Helen Lovekin. Ontario Tourism."

Helen says NOT TO ONTARIO. NOT, NOT UNLESS THEY'RE DOING CROSS COUNTRY SKIING. BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ROCKIES. WE HAVE VERY, VERY, VERY BIG HILLS OF THE SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO PRETEND THAT YOU CAN COULD HAVE A DOWN... HAVE A DOWNHILL SKIING EXPERIENCE IN ONTARIO SIMILAR TO THE ROCKIES. BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY HAVE AN UNPARALLELED CROSS COUNTRY SKIING.

Mary says OKAY.

Helen says SO WE HAVE...

Mary says WE HAVE THAT... WE HAVE THAT.

Helen says WE HAVE MORE GROOPED TRAILS BY ANYBODY...

Mary says WHAT DO YOU MEAN ANYBODY?

Helen says ANYBODY ANYWHERE.

Mary says IN THE WORLD?

Helen says I ANY SO WE CAN MAKE THAT CLAIM AND SOMEBODY ELSE CAN COME ALONG AND PROVE ME WRONG. MAYBE SOMEBODY IN SCANDINAIVA... BUT THE CROSS COUNTRY AND SNOWMOBILE TRAILS... ALL THE OLD TIMBER RAILS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO CROSS COUNTRY SKI AND SNOWMOBILE BEDS. SO YOU CAN GO AL OVER... ALL OVER THE PLACE.

A picture shows a person skiing across a plateau.

Mary says NOW, YOU HAVE A NAME FOR TOURISM. ELLEN FLOWERS. I'M SURE YOU'RE TALENTED. BUT I BET THEY LOVED THAT NAME WHEN THEY HIRED YOU?

The caption changes to "Ellen Flowers. Tourism Toronto."

Ellen says I GET A LOT OF THE CANADA BLOOM IS COMING IN MARCH. AND SO... SO WHEN THE WRITERS PHONE IN, THEY JUST, OH, I WISH I HAD YOUR NAIP. BECAUSE I WRITE FOR A GUARD BE... GARDEN MANNING.

Mary says YOU DO?

Ellen says NO, THEY DO. THEY SAY, IF I COULD HAVE YOUR LAST NAME. THAT'S KIND OF FUN.

Mary says I WAS SAYING IN THE INTRODUCTION THAT... THAT, I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH JANUARY IS THE CRUELEST MONTH IN ONTARIO, PEOPLE STILL COME HERE, RIGHT?

Ellen says OH, YEAH.

Mary says I SAY IT WITH A BIT OF DISBELIEF. I'M SORRY.

Ellen says I HAVE PROOF. BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CURRENT PROMOTION CALLED IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE T.O., AND IT WAS LAUNCHED, THE WINTER PORTION TO HAVE WAS LAUNCHED JANUARY 15TH AND FROM JANUARY 15TH UNTIL TODAY, WE HAVE SOLD 4,000 PACKAGES OVER OUR TELEPHONE LINES.

Mary says TELL US ABOUT THE PACK ABILITY.

Ellen says THE PACKAGE, IT'S, UM, IT'S... IT GIVES YOU ONE NIGHT HOTEL STAY.

Mary says RIGHT.

Ellen says TICKETS TO EITHER THE PRODUCERS OR ABOUT MAMA MIA... OR MAMA MIA. A MEAL AT ABOUT TEN DIFFERENT RESTAURANTS IN A YOU CAN CHOOSE FROM. AND THE ENTRANCE INTO ONE ATTRACTION. EITHER THE ROM, THE CN TOWER, CA... CASTLE LOMA, DIANA. THE EXHIBIT OF PRINCESS OF WEALINGS. OR SECOND CITY. AND YOU CAN... THE PRINCE HE IS OF WALES. OR SECOND CITY AND YOU CAN CHOOSE BETWEEN 169 dollars AND YOU GET ALL OF THAT OR 1349 dollars AND YOU GET ALL OF THAT. THE REASON WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN PRICE IS THAT THE DIFFERENT HOTELS THAT ARE IN. EITHER THE GOLD PACKAGE OF 169 dollars. WHICH ARE HOTELS LIKE THE HILTON. THE FAIR MOUNT ROYAL YORK. THE KING EDDIE.

Mary says THOSE ARE NICE HOTELS.

Ellen says YES.

Mary says 169 dollars.

Ellen says YES.

Mary says THIS IS FOR EACH?

Ellen says YEP. PER PERSON.

Mary says SO PER PERPENDICULAR. STILL...

Ellen says STILL, IT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD... IT'S A GOOD DEAL. IT'S A GREAT PROMOTION. AND THAT'S WHY OUR PHONES ARE RINGING OFF THE HOOK.

Mary says OKAY. SO WHO IS CALLING, THOUGH? WHERE... FROM WHERE?

Ellen says BASICALLY, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT... THAT, YOU WILL, THAT COME TO TORONTO, THAT VISIT TORONTO ARE FROM ONTARIO. IF I CAN GENERALIZE, ABOUT 60 percent. OF OUR VISITORS FROM... COME FROM ONTARIO. AND THE NEXT, UM, NEXT 30 percent OF OUR VISITORS COME... COME FROM THE BORDER STATES OF NEW YORK, MICHIGAN, OHIO, AND WE INCLUDE PENNSYLVANIA AS WELL AND THEN THAT LITTLE 10 percent THAT'S LEFT OVER, UM, TENDS TO BE UK, FRANCE, GERMANY. AND A LOT OF THEM ARE VISITING FREMDS AND RELATIVES.

Mary says OKAY. THAT DOES MAKE SENSE. BECAUSE I WAS... I WAS THINKING, OH, YEAH, THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM JAMAICA AND ARUBA. I CAN'T STAND THE HEAT. I WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. LET'S GO TO ONTARIO. THEY'RE NOT THE ONES WHO ARE COURTROOMING. BUT WHAT ABOUT 4,000 YOU SAY THAT... NOW, DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE SOLD OUT? OR ABOUT... AT WHAT POINT ARE WE AT?

Ellen says THE PACKAGES CAN'T BE SOBLEDE OUT. THEY'LL ALWAYS BE GENERATED.

Mary says THERE'S NO TIME...

The caption changes to "Today's topic: Winter tourism."

Helen says THE TIME GOES UNTIL MARCH 31ST. AND THEN WE'LL START WITH OUR SPRING PROMOTION.

Mary says OH, MEANING THEY'RE TAKING CALLS UNTIL THEN? OR YOU CAN BOOK UNTIL MARCH 31ST?

Helen says YOU CAN BOOK UNTIL MARCH 31ST.

Mary says YOU WILL I'M SORRY, CAN YOU CALL UNTIL MARCH 31ST TO BOOK FOR AFTER...

Helen says SORRY MUCH YEAH, YOU CAN CALL... I GUESS THE LAST BOOKING FOR... WOULD BE MARCH 31ST. YEAH, AND THEN WE'LL BE KICK INTO OUR SPRING AND SUMMER PROMOTION.

Mary says WOW.

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Ellen says SO WE'RE DOING VERY WELL. WE'RE VERY .HAPPY WITH IT T I THINK PART OF IT IS THE BE ENHANCEMENT OF HAVING THE THEATER TICKETS OF THE PRODUCERS AND MAMA MIA. BECAUSE THOSE ARE GREAT SHOWS. AND, UM, WE'RE VERY HAPPY. AND OUR CALL CENTRE IS... WE HIRED ON SOME MORE PART TIMERS AND EVERYBODY'S BUSY. AND IT'S GOOD.

Helen says I HAVE TO SAY, I KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE BOOKED THE TICKET WHO LIVE IN TOWN. AND HAD THEY...

Mary says SURE.

Helen says THEY BOUGHT THE PACKAGE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BETTING A... GETTING AWAY BY DOING SOMETHING IN TORONTO THAT THEY NEVER DO. EXACTLY SO IT'S VERY FUN.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT, UM, SO OKAY, THAT'S TORONTO. WAS ABOUT THE PROVINCE? WHAT ABOUT TOURISTS COMING TO OTHER PARTS OF THE PROVINCE IN THE WINTER?

Helen says WELL, THE PROVINCE IS VERY BEAUTIFUL IN THE WINTER. AND, UM, SO... SO WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE CROSS COUNTRY SKIING.

Mary says YES.

Helen says BUT, UM, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WONDERFUL EXPERIENCES THAT YOU CAN DO. THERE'S WHICH I WANT ABOUT TER SPORTS. APART FROM SKIING. THERE'S DOING SLEDDING. AND...

Mary says DOG SLEDDING IS GETTING BIG.

Helen says IT'S HUGE.

A picture shows a person traveling across the snow on a dog sled.

Mary says BASS I REMEMBER LAST WINTER WE HAD SOME RELATIVES, NOT RELATIVES, BUT FRIENDS CAME OVER FROM THE UK. AND, YEAH, THEY WANTED TO GO DOG SLEDDING. THEY WERE E MAILING SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO GO DOG SLEDDING IN ONTARIO. HOW DID THEY KNOW ABOUT IT? I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW...

Helen says IT MUST HAVE BEEN MY COLLEAGUE. BUFF, NO, THEY CAN COME BACK... YOU CAN TELL THEM, COME BACK AND YOU CAN GO DOG SLEDD ING AND YOU CAN GO OUT SKIJORNING.

Mary says WHAT IS THIS?

Helen says I THINK IT'S... IT'S UP IN MUSKOKA. THEY, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF THE DOG SLEDDING PACKAGES HAVE HIRED A SCANDINAVIAN SPORT WHERE YOU GET ON CROSS COUNTRY SKIS AND YOU HARNESS YOURSELF TO THE TEAM. SO IT HELPS IF YOU HAVE SOME CROSS COUNTRY SKIING...

Mary says YOU HARNESS YOURSELF...

Helen says YOU GO WITH THE DOGS.

Mary says I WOULD THINK SOME EXPERIENCE MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.

Ellen says YEAH.

Helen says SO... SLOWER DOGS SORE... DOGS OR SOME EXPERIENCE.

Mary says WOULD HAVE TO BE SENILE DOGS.

Ellen says PUPPIES.

Helen says BUT IT'S... IN DEERHURST. THAT'S TWO HOURS AWAY. THAT'S NOTHING.

Mary says YOU I HEARD THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, TOO. I DON'T KNOW HOW ABOUT POPULAR THIS IS. BUT I HAVE A CAN COUPLE OF FISHERMEN IN MY FAMILY. ICE FISHINGING AND GOING UP. YOU CAN RENT THESE HUTS SO THAT YOU STAY WARM AND THEY'LL A HAVE... HAVE A HOLE WRITING HAD THE... RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HUT. THAT'S MY KIND OF FISHING. YOU'RE WARM AND THERE'S A HUT AND THERE'S A HOLE FOR YOU.

Helen says APPARENTLY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS NOT TOO LONG AGO AND I WAS TALKING TO A WOMAN AND SHE WAS OFIRMDED BY THE IDEA OF THE HUT. SHE WAS A PURIST.

Mary says OH.

Helen says AND HE SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING SITTING ON THE ICE. IT'S THE SAME SORT OF THING ABOUT WARM ENOUGH, THAT DO SITTING OUT IN THE BOAT AND LISTENING TO THE BIRDS. BECAUSE ABOUT... BECAUSE THERE'S YOU ALL DIFFERENT SETS OF BIRDS AND DIFFERENT SET OF NATURE AND HAS THE SUN ON HER. FISHING FOR FISH. BUT SHE'S, SHE'S SITTING ON THE ICE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, AND...

Mary says YOU CAN ALWAYS GO OUTSIDE THE HUT AND THEN GO BACK IN. IF YOU WANT. TO KEEP WARM. YOU KNOW? BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA.

Helen says IT'S FRESH FISH IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER. AND DON'T HAVE TO RESTRICT YOURSELF FOR THREE SEASONS. GO FOR ALL FOUR SEASONS.

Mary says OKAY. LET'S TALK CALLS HERE OF THE MUCH WE HAVE A CALL FROM TORONTO. HELLO.

The caller says HI. HOPE YOU'RE ALL WELL.

Mary says OH, YEAH, VERY WELL. HOW ARE YOU DOING?

The caller says VERY GOOD. I'M LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS. BECAUSE I PLAN IN TO... PLAN TO GET A LITTLE GET AWAY DISEASED... SQUEEZED IN SOMETIME IN MARCH. LOOKING FOR A ROMANTIC KIND OF GET AWAY PLACE THAT INCORPORATES LOTS OF RELAXATION, OBVIOUSLY. SOME HISTORICAL ASPECT TO IT AS WELL. UM, ETOBICOKE IS WHERE WE USUALLY GO... TOBERMORY IS WHERE WE GO IN THE SUMMER. BUT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT RELAXATION AND ROMANCE AND SOMETHING HISTORICAL. I CAN ACCEPT THEATRICAL. BUFF MORE TO THE ROMANCE.

Mary says OKAY. HELEN?

Helen says HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO THE SHERWOOD INN IN THE MUSK COKE CASS. IT'S A VERY, VERY PRETTY PROPERTY . AND IT'S NOW, UM, NOW OPEN IN THE WINTER. AND, UM, AND THERE'S LOTS OF PROPERTIES UP IN THE MUSKOKA AREA THAT ARE NOW OPEN ALL-YEAR ROUND.

Mary says IS IT ROMANTIC?

Helen says VERY ROMANTIC.

The caller says LIKE A BED AND BREAKFAST KIND OF...

Helen says IT'S LIKE AN OLD, UM, OLD WHITE CLAPBOARD, UM, REGENCY-STYLE INN. TUCKED YOU AWAY ON, UM, ON THE SHORES OF A LITTLE LAKE. AND IT'S VERY, VERY PRETTY. AND, UM, AND VERY, VERY, YEAH, VERY ROMANTIC.

The caller says AND THE HISTORICAL ASPECT OF IT?

Helen says IT IS. YEAH... IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT AT THE TURN OF THE LAST CENTURY... AT THE TURN OF THE LAST CENTURY, I BELIEVE. IT CAN FEEL LIKE YOU STEPPED BACK IN TIME AND BEING IN ONE OF THESE GRAND MUSKOKA DAME THAT IS HAVE COME UP TO GET AWAY FROM THE HUSTLEEL AND BUSTLE OF THE CITY. WHICH IS, OF COURSE , WHAT YOU WOULD BE.

Mary says IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE VIPT THAT...

Helen says CLOSER TO TORONTO?

Mary says NO, NO, I MEAN RIGHT IN THE VICINITY OF THAT INN THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO GO AND SEE OR DO OR WHATEVER?

Helen says I THINK THAT... THAT, UM, THAT THE POINT OF GOING UP THERE WOULD BE TO, UM, TO, UM, TO... TO HAVE A ROMANTIC GET AWAY.

Mary says PARDON ME. I'VE BEEN MARRIED TOO LONG. RIGHT. HOW DOES THAT SOUND?

Helen says ONE COULD GO OUTSIDE. BUT WHY BOTHER? THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL FIREPLACES AND ATTRACTIVE, A ATRAININGTIVE INTERIOR DECORATION. YOU MIGHT WANT TO STAY INSIDE.

Mary says SOUND GOOD: UM, WHAT ABOUT AS FAR AS TORONTO? YOU I MEAN, YOU GET THOSE REQUESTS, WE WANT SOMEWHERE VERY ROMANTIC AND...

Ellen says OKAY YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S... THERE'S LOTS OF FUN, ROMANTIC THINGS TO DO IN TO TORONTO. ONE THING THAT COME TO MIND IS ICE SKATING. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT? IT'S... YOU HOLD HANDLED AND MAYBE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN YOU WERE A TEENAGER YOU USED TO MEET THE BOYS AT THE ICE RINK. BUT THERE'S NATHAN PHILLIPS SQUARE. WHICH IS FREE.

Mary says ALL LIT UP. SO PRETTY.

Ellen says IT'S PRETTY... PRETTY F YOU DON'T HAVE ICE SKATES, YOU CAN RENT THEM THERE. THERE'S A NICE SHOT OF IT.

A nighttime picture shows Nathan Phillips Square lit up in green lights.

Ellen says HARBOUR FRONT CENTRE. RIGHT DOWN BY LAKE ONTARIO. IF YOU'RE TOUGH AND CAN HANDLE THE COLD. AND...

Mary says I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO A VERY... IT'S VERY NICE AND IT'S PITCHING ECT. BUT BOY, YOU HAVE TO PICK YOUR DAYS. BECAUSE IT'S A... AND PICTURESQUE PICTURESQUE. BUT PICK YOUR DAYS. BECAUSE IT'S A COLD WINDY DAY, IT'S COLD DOWN THERE.

Ellen says IT'S NICE ON THE HARBOUR FRONT.

Helen says AND I HAVE ABOUT TO PUT A PITCH IN FOR NIAGARA ON THE LAKE. AND FLYING ARE ARE A ON THE LAKE, I THINK IT'S THE MOST BEAUTIFUL IN THE WINTER. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN IT IN THE WINTER, BUT THE MIST FROM THE FALLS SPREADS OUT ALL OVER EVERYTHING AND COATS IT WITH A THIN BIT OF GLASS-LIKE ICE. AND THE INCREDIBLE ICICLES THAT FORM OFF OF THE WATER, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE A NICE HEART-SHAPED TUB IN YOUR HONEYMOON HOTEL SUITE. AND I STILL TELL HER...

Mary says YOU CAN'T GET OVER THAT, CAN YOU?

Helen says YOU KNOW...

Mary says YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE RIGHT. WE WENT THERE ONE WINTER AND IT WAS LOVELY. I REMEMBER TO, GIVE IT A PITCH FOR SOMETHING CLOSE BY, WE WEDNESDAY TO THE BUTTERFLY CONSERVATORY.

Helen says ISN'T THAT LOVELY.

Mary says IT WAS WONDERFUL TO GO THERE.

Helen says AGAIN, YOU KNOW. IT'S REALLY COLD AND YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME OUT DOORS, IT'S VERY WARM IN THERE.

Mary says IT'S LIKE THE TROPICS. OKAY. MUCH ANOTHER CALL. LORRAINE ON THE LINE FROM CHESTLY. HI.

The caller says HI. HOW ARE YOU?

Mary says WHERE IS CHESTLY?

The caller says IT'S NEAR, UM, WALKERTON.

Mary says AH. ALL RIGHT. SO HOW ARE YOU MANAGINGING WITH WINTER THERE?

The caller says OH, I LOVE THE SNOW.

Mary says GOOD.

The caller says YEAH, ANDL I'M FROM THE NORTH. SO IT'S... IT'S NOT TOO BAD.

Mary says OKAY. DO YOU HAVE HAVE A QUESTION OR A COMMENT?

The caller says I'M... I WANT TODAY COMMENT A GOOD PLACE TO GO IS... IF YOU'RE WILLING WILLING TO TRAVEL QUITE A WAYS IS HAD HURST, ONTARIO. IT'S AN AWESOME PLACE TO DO SNOWMOBILING AND ICE FISH ING AND... AND A LOT OF OUTDOOR ACTIVITY. BEAUTIFUL SCENERY. I MEAN, WHEN THE SNOW HITS THE TREES, IT'S JUST GORGEOUS. AND...

Mary says YOU SAID HURT... HURST, ONTARIO?

The caller says YES.

Mary says IT'S WHERE...

The caller says THREE HOURS NORTH OF TIMMONS.

Mary says THAT'S A DRIVE FROM TORONTO. THREE HOURS NORTH OF TIMMONS. IS THAT... WHERE YOU'RE FROM?

The caller says I WAS BORN AND RAISED THERE.

Mary says DID YOU GET MANY TOURISTS UP THERE?

The caller says YEAH, MY DAD USED TO GUIDE FOR FISHING AND HUNTING AND WE WOULD GET PEOPLE FROM THE STATES AND PEOPLE FROM SOUTHERN ONTARIO. THEY STILL, SOME OF THE GENTLEMEN STILL GO UP THERE FOR FISHING AND HUNDREDING. AND...

Mary says ARE THERE NICE LODGES UP THERE?

The caller says NOT AL WHOLE LOT. A LOT OF THEM JUST GO CAMP OUT IN THE BUSH. THEY SLEEP IN TRAILERS. OR A LOT OF AM THEM STAY IN THE VILLAS.

Helen says AND THERE'S FLY-IN LODGES AS WELL.

The caller says THERE ARE FLY-IN ONES IF YOU WANT TO GO FURTHER NORTH.

Mary says THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION MUCH THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

The caller says THANK YOU.

Mary says SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HURST?

Helen says YES. I'M FAMILIAR WITH ONTARIO. SO I WANT YOU TO SEE ALL OF IT.

Mary says YOU COOPERATE BE STUMPED ON...

Helen says SURE I CAN COULD... YOU I COULD BE... I COULD BE STUMPED MUCH I LEARN ALL THE TIME.

Mary says HAVE YOU YOU BEEN TO ALMOST EVERY... NOT, OF COURSE, EVERY VILLA, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE...

Helen says THERE ARE PLACES REALLY ON MY DREAM LIST AND I WANT TO... I WOULD LOVE TO GET UP TO ABOUT POLAR BEAR PARK. UP WITH DOESN'T GO UP IN THE WINTER. BUT, BUT ON A WINTERY SUBJECT, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. THAT WOULD BE A TRIP OF A LIFETIME.

Mary says TELL US ABOUT ABOUT POLAR BEAR PARK.

Helen says WELL, IT'S ONE OF THE FEW... FEW BREEDING GROUNDS FOR POLAR BEARS . AND ONTARIO HAS WILDERNESS PARKS, PARKS SO HUGE THAT THEY CONTAIN THEIR ECO SYSTEM. IN THIS CASE, IT'S POLAR BEAR'S ECO SYSTEM. THIS IS A SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE ARCTIC WATERSHED. SO THERE ARE B ELUGA WHALES AND POLAR BEARS AND SEALS. UM, ALL SORTS OF...

Mary says YOU HAVE TO FLY IN THERE?

Helen says YOU FLY MUCH THERE'S A COUPLE OF OUTFITTERS. ONE TAKES YOU FROM THE TORONTO ISLAND AIRPORT OF THE TO MOSE... MOOSENEE AND YOU STAY THE NIGHT THERE. THEN YOU FLY SOMEWHERE ELSE AND REFUEL THE PLANE AND FLY INTO ABOUT POLAR PARK FROM THERE.

Mary says THIS IS A TWO-DAY TRIP.

Helen says TAKES YOU TWO DAYS TO GET THERE.

Mary says IMAGINE, YOU'RE STILL IN THE PROVINCE.

Helen says THAT'S RIGHT.

Mary says IT'S SO HUGE, ISN'T IT?

Helen says IT'S ENORMOUS. TO GET ALL THE WAY UP THERE, IT TAKES ABOUT TWO DAYS.

Mary says I'M SURE I ASKED YOU LAST TIME. BUT I HAVE TO ASK YOU AGAIN, THE NORTHERNMOST POINT OF ONTARIO IS EQUAL TO WHERE, AND THEN THE SOUTHERN...

Helen says THE NORTHERNMOST IS SORT OF ON A LATITUDE OF THE SOUTHERN MOST POINT OF ALASKA. SOUTHERN MOST ABOUT PART OF ONTARIO IS RIGHT ABOUT, THE LATITUDE OF THE CALIFORNIA-OREGON BORDER OF THE.

Mary says THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. NORTHERN CALIFORNIA. IT'S INCREDIBLE.

Helen says IT'S SUCH A DIVERSITY. SO YOU HAVE, I REMEMBER SAYING WELL, WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM POLAR BEARS TO ICE WINE. AND A JOURNALIST SAID, HOW DO YOU GET THE ABOUT POLAR BEARS TO MAKE THE ICE WINE? BUT OF IT.

Mary says THAT'S GOOD. LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL HERE. WE'VE GOT JOYCE ON THE LINE FROM AJAX. BEFORE WE GO, LET ME REMIND OUR VIEWERS THAT WE'RE TALKING TODAY ABOUT TOURISM IN ONTARIO. TOURISM IN TORONTO. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL ABOUT SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS WINTER, MAYBE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEND A DAY, EITHER AS A COUPLE, AS A SINGLE OR FAMILY ACTIVITY. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS IN TORONTO OR THROUGHOUT THE PROVINCE... GIVE US A CALL. MAYBE YOU HAVE A GREAT SUGGESTION. SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME BEST-KEPT SECRET THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH US. LET US KNOW. THE NUMBER TO DIAL IN TORONTO TORONTO... JOYCE ON THE LINE FROM AJAX.

The caller says HI. I HAVE TWIN GIRLS WHO ARE TURNING 12, AND I WANT TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR THEIR BIRTHDAY. THEIR BIRTHDAY IS APRIL 16 9... APRIL 16TH. BUT COULD BE DONE BEFORE. SOMETHING? TORONTO. THEY'RE ANIMAL LOVERS. UM, AND WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST?

Ellen says WELL, THE TORONTO ZOO. IS ALWAYS A GREAT PLACE. ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE AN MAN... ANIMAL LOVER AND THERE'S A LOT OF INDOOR PAVILIONS. YOU I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO GO IN THE WINTERTIME...

Mary says WOULD DO THEY... THEY DO SOMETHING SPECIAL FOR BIRTHDAY?

Ellen says YES, THEY DO HAVE BIRTHDAY PARTIES. YOU CAN CALL THE ZOO AND FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. ONE THING THAT THEY DO HAVE DURING FEBRUARY, UM, THE FEBRUARY 21ST AND FEBRUARY 22ND, THAT SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, UM, IS THEY HAVE, UM, SPECIAL WALKS WITH, UM, WITH ZOO VOLUNTEERS. FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND-A-HALF. AND YOU GO TO THE DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT PAVILIONS. IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INCOMPETENT DEPTH. AND FIND OUT, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THE ANT MALLS AND THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FEBRUARY. IF THE GIRLS... FIND OUT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ANIMALS AND THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FEBRUARY IF THE GIRLS WANT TO GO TO THE ZOO. THE ZOO IS FUN IN FEBRUARY. YOU CAN SEE THE POLAR BEARS.

Mary says WHAT'S NOT JUST RELATED TO KIDS, BUT ANY OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS AND FESTIVALS GOING ON IN THE CITY NOW?

Ellen says THERE'S WINTER CITY. AND IT ITSTARTS TOMORROW. JANUARY 30TH. AND IT'S FOR TWO WEEKS. AND IT'S TORONTO'S BIG WINTER KARN A VALUE. AND IT'S, IT'S ACTION PACKED. TWO WEEKS. AND IT'S BASICALLY HAPPENING IN FOUR DIFFERENT SPOTSZ. AT NATHAN ABOUT PHILLIPS SQUARE. DUNDAS SQUARE. WHICH IS THE NEW SQUARE AT YONGE AND DONE DIS OF THE MEL LASTMAN SQUARE AND THE ETON CENTRE INDOORS. DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ARE, THEY'RE, UM, THE CRAFT CREATURES... THE CRAFTT BROTHERS, THIS SUNDAY, THEY'RE AT YONGE AND DONE... DUNDAS WITH ZOOBOMAFOO WITH THE LITTLE FELLOW AND THEY'LL BE THERE SUNDAY. FOR THE KIDS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO... GOING TO BE THERE, INTERACTIVE WITH THE BROTHERS. AND, UM, AND AT NATHAN PHILLIPS SQUARE, THEY HAVE FAMILY PARTY SKATES WITH LIVE MUSIC. DIFFERENT LOCAL TORONTO BANDS PLAYING. SO... THAT RUNS FROM 6 AT NIGHT UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. THEN, UM, IN THE EATON CENTRE, MORE FOR ADULTS WHO WANT TO GET OUT OF THE COLD IS THEY'RE HAVING A BIG CULL THEIR YOURY FESTIVAL. AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM,... CAN FEEL-OF-CULINARY FESTIVAL AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE CHEFS SETUP AND DOING DEMONSTRATIONS FOR WOO WEEKS. THERE'S ONE I THINK CALLED URBAN GUY COOKS FOR HIS GIRL FRIEND SO ALL YOU GUYS, IF YOU WANT TO, UM, WANT TO LEARN HOW TO COOK FOR VALENTINE'S DAY...

Mary says DO YOU JUST SHOW UP FOR THOSE?

Ellen says YEP OF THE ALL THE THINGS ARE FREE.

Mary says THEY HAVE SEATING OR YOU STAND AND WATCH?

Ellen says YOU JUST STAND AND WATCH. THERE IS, THERE'S ALSO A PAPAS PORT A WINTER CITY PASSPORT. AND IT... THAT GIVES YOU DISCOUNT ABOUT 20 percent DISCOUNTS OR 2-FOR-1 TICKET TO THE DIFFERENT ATTRACTIONS LIKE THE CN TOWER, CASTLEL LOMA. DIFFERENT SOMETHINGS LIKE... DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE IT HAS BEEN. WHAT'S ALSO PART OF WINTER CITY IS WINTER LICIOUS.

Mary says I KNOW ABOUT THAT. I HAVE TO ASK YOU, IS THERE... YOU I GUESS THERE'S ALWAYS A RISK WHEN SOMETHING IS SO HUGELY ABOUT POPULAR THAT IT THEN BECOMES, WELL, IT ACTUALLY BECOMES A PAIN TO BE A PART OF. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW I WAS ON THE PHONE TRYING TO GET THROUGH OF THE AND I'M SURE THAT MANY ABOUT AM PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE ON THE SAME BOAT AS ME.

Ellen says THIS IS ONLY ITS SECONDS YEAR, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT. THERE WAS A SUMMER LICIOUS, THE SUMMER COUNTERPART. IT'S SO POPULAR BECAUSE OF THE ABOUT PREFIXED MENU THAT THEY'RE OFFERING OF THE FOR LUFIRMBS, BETWEEN 10-20 dollars AND FOR DINNERS, BETWEEN 20-33 dollars OF THE AND THEY'RE WONDERFUL RESTAURANTS.

Mary says TOP RESTAURANT. AND I MEAN, THEY'RE... A.

Ellen says SO IT REALLY HAS TAKEN OFF AND IT... I GUESS IT CAN BE A BIT FRUSTRATING. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE RESERVATIONS BEFOREHAND. BUT LET'S HOPE THEY JUST MIGHT EXTEND IT.

Mary says THAT WOULD BE NICE MUCH ITCH CALLED ONE RESTAURANT AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE, IT WAS SO ABOUT POPULAR THAT THEY WERE GOING TO THEMSELVES EXTEND IT. YEAH. SO... SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER RESTAURANT. BUT THEY WERE GOING TO.

Ellen says YEAH. SO THAT'S A LOT OF FUN.

Mary says WAS THE SUMMER LICIOUS REALLY SUCCESSFUL AS WELL?

Ellen says WELL, TO BE HONEST, NOT QUITE AS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE WE WERE STILL IN THE MIDST OF SARS. AND IT WAS AROUND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAD THAT SECOND OUTBREAK IN JUNE. AM PEOPLE TEND TO FORGET THAT IT WAS THAT LATE. SO... SO... BUT, UM, BUT BY...

Mary says ARE WE OVER THAT NOW?

Ellen says I THINK SO.

Mary says ARE WE?

Ellen says I THINK SO. I THINK SO. YOU I THINK IT'S SLOWLY COMING BACK. BUT THINK... I MEAN, IT'S SLOWLY COMING BACK, BUT WITH THE EXAMPLE OF WINTER LICIOUS SELLING OUT, WITH IT'S... IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE TEAROOM PACKAGES, I THINK THE LOCALS, WHEN I SAY LOCALS, I MEAN KNOWS IN... THOSE IN ONTARIO, AS WELL, HAVE REALLY JUMPED ON THE BAND WAGON AND... AND ARE COMING BACK TO THE CITY AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE GREAT OFFERS. THAT ARE OUT THERE.

Mary says SO... WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE PROVINCE? AS FAR AS... YOU FELT EVEN THE SARS FALL OUT. THE REST OF THE PROVINCE DID.

Helen says YES. AND, UM, I THINK THAT... THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT... THAT, UM, THAT WE KNOW IS THAT THE ABOUT PEOPLE OF ONTARIO, THAT WILL ELLEN SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES, ARE OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER. AND, UM, IT'S GOOD TIME TO SAY THANK YOU. TO EVERYBODY. FOR, FOR SUPPORTING TORONTO. THE WAY THAT HE THEY DID. BUT CERTAINLY JUST IN MY LAST LITTLE JUNKET, UM, THE SUPPORT THAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE IN... AND OTHER CITIES WHEN THEY FIND OUT THAT YOU'RE FROM TORONTO IS WONDERFUL.

Mary says REALLY?

Helen says YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, OKAY THAT WAS A BUM RAP. AND HOW ARE YOU? AND, YOU KNOW...

Mary says REALLY? THAT'S NICE.

Helen says COME AND SEE ME SOMETIME.

Mary says WHEN YOU WENT TO DENVER AND THAT?

Helen says YEAH. THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED. THEY SAY, OH, I'VE BEEN THERE. ORR MYER SISTER WAS THERE. SOMEBODY THEY KNEW HAD BEEN TO TORONTO AND SAID IT WAS A GREAT CITY I SAY, GOOD. COME BACK. AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

Mary says WELL, YOU KNOW, AHE... I MEAN, AS AWFUL AS IT WAS, JUST THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WOULD EVEN HEAR ABOUT TORONTO FOR THE... THE NAME OF IT EVEN, AND THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT IT, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S AED GOOD THING.

Helen says WELL, THE SILVER LINING IN THE CLOUD I THINK HAS BEEN THAT, UM, THAT TORONTO, FOR A VERY LONG TIME, HAD A DESERVED REPUTATION OF BEING VERY SAFE. AND SAFE IS NOT SEXY.

Mary says AND...

Helen says AND, ALL OF A SUDDEN, THERE'S A BURST OF INTEREST IN THINGS THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD, UM, BUT PERHAPS WERE GIVEN TO MORE GLAMOROUS LOCALE. SUDDENLY TORONTO WAS A GLAMOROUS LOCALE. SO THE FASCINATION WITH THE ARTS SCENE HERE IN IMMENSE.

Mary says YOU MEAN INCREASED SINCE THEN?

Helen says YEAH, JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY'RE SAYING TORONTO HAS ALL SORTS OF SEXY HOT THINGS GOING ON, IN IT T YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF BEING A GOOD PLACE TO RAISE A HOUSE PLAN, ALL OF A SUDDEN, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, I WANT TO BE THERE MUCH THIS IS THE CUTTING-EDGE CITY. SO THERE WAS... IT WAS FUN NIP...

Mary says THAT IS QUITE INTERESTING.

Helen says SOMETHING ABOUT THE...

Mary says THE DANGER TO HAVE MADE IT MORE APPEALING, IS THAT IT?

Helen says YOUR MOTHER ALWAYS SAID...

Mary says OH, THERE'S NO... NO NEWS IS BAD NEWS? KIND OF THING? NO...

Helen says YOU KNOW, I WISH IT DIDN'T.HAPPEN. CERTAINLY. BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, UM, THAT SUFFERED ECONOMIC HARD SHIP. FOR SURE. APART FROM THE OBVIOUS CATASTROPHE.

Mary says BUT THERE'S A SILVER LINING. THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.

Helen says YEAH.

Mary says BUT...

Helen says I'M SORRY, YOU ASKED ABOUT ME ABOUT FESTIVALS IN ONTARIO AND IT'S FEBRUARY THE WINTER CARNIVAL MONTHS SO THERE'S OTTAWA, OF COURSE. THE FIRST THREE WEEKEND IN OTTAWA. AND IT'S THAT WONDERFUL...

Mary says FIRST THREE WEEKENDS OF FEBRUARY.

Helen says OF FEBRUARY IN OTTAWA. I'M SORRY. THEN THE FIRST TWO IN FEBRUARY FOR, UM, FOR THE FESTIVAL IN SUE ST. MARY.

A picture shows three people practicing luge.

Mary says WHAT IS THIS... LIKE A LUGE.

Helen says THAT'S A LUGE.

Mary says IT IS A LUGE?

Helen says YES.

Ellen says INSIDE OF OTTAWA.

Mary says REALLY?

Helen says YEAH. AND...

Mary says ARE THEY WEARINGL HELMETS IN THERE.

Helen says I CAN'T TELL. THEY'RE SO BUNDLED UP. I DON'T THINK IT'S AS STEEP AS THEY... THE ANGLE OF THE PHOTOGRAPH SUGGESTS MUCH BECAUSE THERE'S...

Mary says YOU I BET THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THE RIDEAU BEING FROZEN?

Helen says THE RIDEAU IS FROZEN. WORLD'S LONGEST SKATING RINK.

Mary says IT'S FABULOUS MUCH IT'S GREAT.

A picture shows a person climbing a solid ice wall.

Helen says AND ICE ROCK CLIMBING. IT WAS TAKEN... THIS IS TAKEN OUTSIDE OF THUNDER BEYAR AND IT'S AN EXTREME SPORT. BUT PEOPLE THAT ARE INTO ICE ROCK CLIMBING MUCH ABOUT PREFER IT TO JUST CLIMBINGING UP REGULAR ROCKS.

Mary says WHY?

Helen says THEY LIKE THE CHALLENGE.

Another picture shows a person sticking an icepick into an ice wall.

Mary says BECAUSE IT'S MORE CHALLENGING ING.

Helen says IT'S AN EXTREME SPORT. YEAH. BUT, UM, BUT THERE YOU GO. IT'S... THERE'S A SERIES OF MOUNTAINS THAT RING, UM, RING THE WESTERN SIDE OF THUNDER BAY. THERE ARE SKI HILLS THERE. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW PLACE INSIDE ONTARIO WHERE THERE ARE DOWNHILL SKI HILLS. SO... MOUNTAINS OF THE MIDWEST. I ALWAYS WANTED TO USE THAT LINE.

Mary says I JUST... I DON'T THINK I'M PEOPLE THAT GO UP SKIING TO THUNDER BAY.

Helen says IT'S COLD. I HAVE TO ADMIT. BUT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THUNDER BAY THAT ARE A HEARTY TYPE. OF COURSE, PEOPLE FROM, FROM MINNEAPOLIS, UM, MINNESOTA, PEOPLE FROM NORTHERN MINNESOTA COME IN. AND... AND BORDER STATE VISITORS FROM THE US... FROM THE U.S. AS WELL.

Mary says OKAY. LET'S LOOK AT AN E-MAIL.

Text on screen reads "I suggest the Georgina Winter Carnival in Sutton on Lake Simcoe on February 14th and 15th for a getaway close to Toronto. There's snowmobile and bed races on the ice, sleigh rides, a polar bear plunge and lots of other fun activities for families.
Nancy, Georgina."

Mary says WHO CALLED EARLIER. LORRAINE, OR SOMEONE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING ROMANTIC OF THE.

Ellen says JANINE.

Mary says THERE'S A SUGGESTION FOR HER, TOO. GREAT A.

Helen says IT'S TRUE. THEY DO THESE RELAYS BETWEEN LODGES AND HONEYMOON RELAYS. IT'S...

Mary says BUT THIS ABOUT POLAR BEAR PLUNGE. EVERY YEAR, I... I LOOK AT THIS NEWS FOOTAGE OF THESE PENALTY PEOPLE. UP, RACING DOWN TO THE WATER. THAT LOOKS SCARY TO ME.

Helen says I HAVE DONE IT ONCE OF THE WITH...

Mary says YOU HAVE DONE IT?

Helen says YES. IN A... IT'S NOT WET AT ALL. YOU HAVE THESE HOT ROCKS OF THE MUCH THIS IS UP AROUND THUNDER BAY OF THE AND I HAVE TAKEN A PLUNGE. AND IN A LAKE. IT WASN'T LAKE SUPERIOR. BUT IT WAS LAKE MCKENZIE.

Mary says I HAVE... I WANT TO HEAR THE MECHANICS OF THIS. WHAT HAPPENS... A.

Helen says YOU MOVEL REALLY FAST.

Mary says SO YOU'RE ALL BUNDLED UP AND THEN WHIP IT OFF.

Helen says AND ZOOM. FROM SAUNA INTO THE WATER. THERE'S A WHOLE...

Mary says ARE YOU WEARING A BATHINGING SUIT? WHAT WERE YOU...

Helen says ONE HE PRESUMES, YEAH.

Mary says OKAY. SO YOU...

Helen says YOU'RE WEARING SOMETHING. AND THEN YOU GET OUT REALLY FAST.

Mary says AND HOW COLD IS THE WATER?

Helen says IT'S... IT'S SUCH A QUICK PLUNGE THAT... THAT YOU JUST GET THIS WILL REALLY MASSIVE RUSH. SO I COULD SORT OF UNDERSTAND WHY P.M. PEOPLE DO IT. YOUR SKIN'S HOT. I'M NOT A ABOUT POLAR BEAR ABOUT PERSON AND THEY JUST WALK INTO THE WATER. YOP HOW THEY CAN DO THAT.

Mary says YOU DUNK AND RAN OUT?

Helen says I DUNK AND RUN.

Mary says I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU'RE IN SUCH SHOCK FROM THE WATER THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN MOVE. THAT... A.

Helen says NEW YORK I DON'T KNOW HOW HIGH CELSIUS THOSE THINGS GET UP TO. BUT THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HOT. THEY, THEY OFTEN LET THEM, YOU KNOW, WARM FOR ABOUT A DAY AND-A-HALF. AND IF YOU HAVE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD FINISH SAUNA MUCH AND YOU HAVE BIRCH, UM, BIRCH BRANCHES AND WHACK YOURSELF WITH THESE THINGS. AND...

Mary says OKAY. AND... IF THAT WASN'T ENOUGH, THE WATER, NOW LET'S WHACK YOURSELF WITH BRANCHES. OKAY. WOULD YOU DO IT AGAIN?

Helen says IT'S... IT'S WONDERFUL, ACTUALLY. IT'S EXHILARATING. THERE ARE PEOPLE... I KNOW PEOPLE IN THUNDER BEYAR THAT WERE BORN IN SAUNAS.

Mary says I MEANT THE POLAR BEAR PLUNGE. WOULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN?

Helen says NO.

Mary says YOU LIKE THE SAUNAS?

Helen says THUNDER BAY HAS THE SECOND...

Mary says COME TO ONTARIO AND HAVE YOUR BIRTH IN A SAUNAS.

Helen says EVERYTHING. BOTTOM PEOPLE WITH GREEN TEA. EVERYTHING THAT'S GOOD FOR GREEN TEA. FOR FINS, EVERYTHING IS GOOD IN A SAUNA AND THUNDER BAY HAS THE SECOND LARGEST FINNISH POPULATION OUTSIDE OF HELL SINK CAN I.

Mary says IF ANYBODY HAS GIVEN BIRTH IN A SAUNA, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. REALLY?

Helen says I DON'T KNOW IF THEY RAN OFF AND JUMPED OFF INTO ICE HIS WATER AFTER THE BIRTH. BUT...

Mary says LET'S TAKE A CALL NOW FROM MJ IN LONDON. HI.

The caller says HI. I HIKE YOU ARE... I LIKE YOUR SHOW.

Mary says THANK YOU. GO AHEAD.

The caller says YOU I HAVEN'T GIVEN BIRTH IN A SAUNA, THOUGH. JUST A SUGGESTION FOR YOU. FOR A ROMANTIC GET AWAY.

Mary says FOR JANINE.

The caller says ON LAKE ERIE. THERE'S A FUNNY ROMANTIC SPOT, IT HAS ALL KIND OF REALLY NICE BOUTIQUES AND GREAT RESTAURANT AND BED AND BREAKFAST AND YOU CAN GO SKIING ON LAKE ERIE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TORONTO TRAFFIC. SO IT'S...

Mary says THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE. BUT I HEAR A LOT ABOUT PORT STANLEY.

The caller says IT'S LOVELY. OF AND FOR THE HISTORY PART, ST. THOMAS, WHICH WAS THE RAILWAY CAPITAL OF NORTH AMERICA AND WHERE JUMBO THE ELEPHANT WAS KILLED... JUMBO THE ELEPHANT THE CIRCUSL ELEPHANT. WAS HIT BY A TRAIN IN...

Helen says IT'S TRUE.

Mary says REALLY?

The caller says AND THEY HAVE A HUGE REPLICA OF IT.

Mary says JS JUMBO AN AMERICANL ELEPHANT?

The caller says YEAH, THE FAMOUS BARNUM AND BAILEYL ELEPHANT.

Mary says REALLY? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT A.

The caller says AND THEN YOU HAVE LONDON WITH GREAT SHOPPING AND RESTAURANTS JUST A HALF HOUR YOU AWAY.

Helen says AND GREAT THEATER AS WELL.

The caller says YEAH, AND GREAT THEATER.

Mary says I CAN'T REMEMBER MUCH WHERE ARE YOU FROM?

The caller says I LIVE IN LONDON. BUT I HAVE AM FAMILY IN PORT STANLEY. JUST A 250 MINUTE DRIVE ON THE WEEKEND.

Mary says GREAT SUGGESTION. TOUGH FOR CALLING... THANK YOU FOR CALLING IN.

The caller says THANK YOU. BYE-BYE.

Mary says BYE. DO THEY GET A LOT OF TOURISTS COME INTO PORT STANLEY A.

Helen says IT'S SO PRETTY. IT REALLY IS. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE SPOT. SO AT LOVE PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTHERN SHORE OF LAKE ERIE COME UP. AS WELL AS IT'S THAT PART OF ONTARIO IS JUST GETTING DISCOVERED BY TORONTO... BY THOSE IN TORONTO RIGHT NOW OF THE AND, UM, AND SO... SO...

Mary says WHAT WOULD BE SOME OTHER TOWNS, UM, THAT... THAT REALLY HAVE A KIND OF OLD WORLD CHARM? SOME OTHER PLACES?

Helen says SO MANY PLACES. FOR... JUST EAST OF THE CITY, GOING, SAY, FROM, UM, FROM NEWCASTLEL EAST, YOU HAVE GOT PORT HOPE. WHICH HAS A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL ATMOSPHERE. IT, UM, CINEMA THERE MUCH AND THEY ALSO HAVE WONDERFUL ANTIQUE SHOPS IN PORT HOPE AND COBURG. COBURG ALSO HAS A LOT OF VERY INTERESTING ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS. UM, AND THEATER PEOPLE. AND I LIVE OUT IN DID YOUR HIM HAM, AND SO THE... SO THE TOWN HALL, ACCOMMODATES A LOT OF PERFORMANCES IN COBURG. BUT IT'S APPEAR AMAZING PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE IN AND OF ITSELF.

Mary says AND ELORA.

Helen says WHICH HAS THAT WONDERFUL MUSIC CAN CAL FESTIVAL IN THE SUMMERTIME.

Mary says YES. VERY MUCH PRETTY. YOU KNOW I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, ELLEN, THERE WAS A LOT OF... WELL, JUST RECENTLY IN THE NEWS AND IN THE NEWSPAPER, I SAW THIS PICTURE THAT WAS ON THE NEWSPAPER, CONAN O'BRIEN IS COME INTO TOWN. NOW, I WAS REALLY INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT... THAT, I THINK IT'S THE GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY FOOTING SOME OF HIS BILL? YOU I THINK THAT... THAT IT'S LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS THEY'RE GIVING HIM TO SETUP SHOP HERE, ISN'T THAT RIGHT?

Helen says THAT'S...

Mary says PASS THAT BACK OVER THERE.

Helen says THE MINISTRY OF TOURISM HAS HAD THROUGH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS THROUGH THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT, UM, RECOVERY FUND. AND, UM, FOR LARGE ONE-TIME ONLY, UM, PROJECTS. TO RECOVER OUR IMPACT IN THE MARKET THEN... THAT... THERE'S BEEN BUDGE FOR THINGS LIKE THAT.

Mary says I DIDN'T KNOW. CHICKEN AND BEING EGG THING. DID THEY GIVE HIM THE... HIM THE MONEY AND THAT'S WHY HE'S COMING AND HE ALREADY DECIDED... DECIDED TO COME... DECIDED TO COME AND THEY SAID...

Helen says YOU COULDN'T BUY THE SHOW TO AM COME. HOW'S THAT. YOU CAN JUST GIVE PEOPLE MONEY AND THEY SAY, OKAY BECAUSE YOU GAVE ME MONEY, I'LL COME. IT HAS TO FIT IN WITH THEIR BROAD ABOUT PERSPECTIVE OF WHO THEY WANT TO SEE... BE SEEN WITH. TORONTO DID. HE WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE... SUPPORTIVE FROM LAST YEAR. BECAUSE A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF CELEBRITIES ACTUALLY THROUGH THEIR PERSONAL WEIGHT IF NOT THEIR CELEBRITY ENDORSEMENT...

Mary says IS IT TWORT IT TO US? A MILLION DOLLARS? HOW MUCH WILL WE GET IN RETURN FOR THIS? TO SOUND TOTALLY CRASS.

Ellen says THERE IS EXPOSURE. IT WILL... IF THERE'S A PERCEPTION OUT THERE, NOT SO MUCH THAT THE BORDER STATES, BUT WHAT WE CALL THE LONG HAUL. LIVENGE, FURTHER INTO THE STATES, IF THERE'S STILL THAT PERCEPTION THAT TORONTO MAY BE ISN'T SAFE, UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED LAST, LAST SPRING AND SUMMER, THIS WILL CLEAR UP PEOPLE'S MIND. BECAUSE HE'S GOING TO BE HERE FOR A WEEK. AND, YOU KNOW AND...

Mary says THAT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS, THOUGH. WHAT IF HE GETS TERRIBLY SICK WHILE HE'S HERE? WHAT IF A TERRIBLE EXPERIENCE HAPPENS TO HIM HERE?

Helen says IT'S LIKE THE WILLING ROLL STONES VISITING. I KNOW LEFT FOOT PEOPLE SAID, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKE THE BIGGEST ROCK CONCERT EVER, BUT DID IT BRING US... BRING US A LOT OF AMERICAN TOURIST INSIDE AT THE TIME, NO. BUT BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE CONCERT, THE, THE STARS THAT HAD BEEN EDGE... BEEN HEDGING THEIR BETS ABOUT ATTENDING THE TORONTO INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL, CAN COULD SEE, UM, CAN COULD SEE THAT IF IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR MICK IT, HAD BEEN TODAY... HAD TO BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR THEM. I THINK IN TERM OF PERCEPTION, THAT FILM FESTIVAL LAST SEPTEMBER WAS A HUGE WHEEL TURNING IN ABOUT PERCEPTION OF TORONTO. AND WE WERE ABLE TO SAY, OKAY, WE'VE PUT THAT HIPPED US.

Mary says OKAY. AND... IS THAT MONEY IN THE BANK, THE FILM FESTIVAL? IT'S A DRAW. LIKE, THAT...

Helen says IT'S AMAZING OF THE MUCH IT'S AMAZING. AND...

Ellen says AND THE HOTELS ARE SOLD OUT. THAT... THAT WEEK MUCH IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A HOTEL ROOM. WHICH IS, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE IN TOWN. MUCH AND...

Helen says SPEAKING OF BUYING MEDIA, YOU DEFINITELY CAN NOT BUY THE COVERAGE THAT TORONTO GETS FOR TEN DAYS.

Mary says ABSOLUTELY. WHAT ABOUT, UM, AS FAR AS OUR DOLLAR? YOU KNOW, THE STRONGER DOLLAR? HOW IS THAT PLAYING OUT?

Helen says IT'S... IT STILL HAS VALUE. UM, WE'RE RECOGNIZED AS VALUE DESTINATION IN THE UNITED STATES.

Mary says NOT REALLY REALLY EFFECTED?

Helen says THE THING WITH AMERICAN TOURISTS IS THEY DON'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE CAN CANADIAN AND AMERICAN DOLLAR. YOU CAN PUT THE TWO PRICES AND IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE UNTIL THEY GET BACK AND LOOK AT THE VISA BILL AND GO, WOW, THAT... THAT...

Ellen says AND THE SAVINGS. YEAH, AND THE OTHER THING IS AMERICANS AT THIS POINT ARE STILL LOOKING AT THE SHORT JAUNT ACROSS THE BORDER. SO I THINK THAT TORONTO IS IN... AND ONTARIO ARE... AND WE'RE IN A GEE GRAPHICALLY, WE'RE IN A GREAT SITUATION. BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T WANT TO TRAVEL VERY FAR, WE'RE A GREAT PLACE TO COME. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE DOLLAR IS NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO GET AWAY, WOULD BE A PRIORITY.

Mary says ALL RIGHT. LET'S TRY AND GET ANOTHER CALL ON THE AIR. WE HAVE MARILYN ON THE LINE FROM WINDSOR.

The caller says I'M CALLING FROM THE DEAD END OF OUR PROVINCE, WHICH IS WINDSOR.

Helen says NOT AT ALL.

The caller says WE HAVE A LITTLE 10-YEAR-OLD. WE ALWAYS GO TO LONDON, AND WE HAVE SO MUCH TO DO THERE MUCH BUT SHE'S GROWING OUT OF LONDON NOW AND SHE LOVES NIAGARA ON THE LAKE. BUTCH IT'S TOO SPENDSIVE AND SHE THINKS SHE OWNS QUEEPS LAND ING.

Mary says THAT'S A SCARY THOUGHT.

The caller says SO WE'RE... WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS FIND MORE ECONOMICAL PLACES OF THE WE WANT TO GO OFTEN, AND WE CAN'T DO THE QUEEN'S LANDING TOO OFTEN SO MANY BETWEEN WINDSOR AND TORONTO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING OR BETWEEN LONDON AND TORONTO, UM, AT THAT... THAT A'S CLOSER TO US TO DO.

Helen says WHAT ABOUT THE PACK ABILITYS THAT WILL ELLEN WAS TALKING ABOUT?

The caller says UM, I MISS... I JUST TURNED YOU ON NOT TOO LONG AGO.

Mary says JUST QUICKLY...

Ellen says IT'S CALLED TIME FOR A LITTLE T. O. AND THE PACKAGES RUN UNTIL MARCH 31ST AND THEY'RE BETWEEN 149-169 PER PERPENDICULAR AND THAT GIVES YOU A HOTEL STAY, TICKETS TO EITHER THE PRODUCERS OR MAMA MI A A, AND SBRABS INTO AN ATTRACTION. AND, UM, AND... AND, UM, AND MEALS... AND... AND A MEAL.

The caller says SHE LOVES LIVE THEATER.

Mary says THERE YOU GO.

Ellen says KIDS...

Ellen says ABOUT MAMA MIA IS A LOT OF FUN.

The caller says I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING CLOSER TO HOME THAT WE CAN GO MORE OFTEN.

Mary says OH, MORE OFTEN.

Helen says SO, LET ME THINK NOW MUCH HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HAMILTON HAMILTON? NOW THAT I SAID IT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, UM, ABOUT THE WHOLE BRUCE TRAIL. THAT, UM, THAT GOES THROUGH. IT'S WONDERFUL THING TO DO WITH FAMILIES. AND... AND... AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF PRETTY B AND B'S ALONG, I KNOW, YOU CAP GO IN THE WINERIES PER SAY, BUT THE B AND B'S ALONG THE WIPE ROUTE ARE VERY, VERY...

The caller says I'M PETRIFIED OF B AND B'S.

Mary says YOU ARE? WHY?

The caller says I THINK THAT... THAT YOU WILL I'M SUCH A CLEAN FREAK AND I LIKE EVERYTHING SO NICE AND I'M F HE... PETRIFIED TO RUN INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T... THAT YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF.

Helen says FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRAPPED IN SOMEBODY A'S HOUSE? I RECOMMEND THAT YOU LOOK AT THE B AND B ASSOCIATION. AS WELL AS INN KEEPERS OF ONTARIO. BECAUSE SOME THINGS THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE DESCRIBED AS A B AND B ARE OFTEN REALLY MORE LIKE AN INN. AND, UM, AND IT'S LIKE, LIKE A WAY OF SAYING A MODEST INN. SO SOME, SOME B AND B'S ARE MUCH MORE LIKE A...

Mary says I MEAN, WHEN SHE MENTIONED ABOUT NIAGARA ON LAKE MUCH SOUNDED AS IF THEY LOVED IT. BUT NOW IT'S A BIT TOO EXPENSIVE. YOU CAN TRY THE B AND B ROUTE THERE INSTEAD OF STAYING AT ONE OF THE PRICIER HOTELS, RIGHT?

Helen says THEY HAVE AN COMPLENTED BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. THEY CAN GIVE YOU THE RECCOMENDATIONS OR LOOK ON THE ONTARIO WEBSITE. SO... SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO CHECK OUT YOUR ACCOMMODATIONS.

Mary says UH-HUH. WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME, BUT WHAT... WHAT'S ONE OF YOUR FAVOURITE THINGS IN TORONTO TO DO?

Ellen says UM, MY FAVOURITE THING IN TORONTO TO DO IS... IS, BELIEVE OR... BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TO GO TO THE SCIENCE CENTRE. BECAUSE I HAVE NIECES AND NEPHE NEPHEWS.

Mary says IT'S CLOSE BY.

Ellen says WE HAVE A LOT OF FUN THERE. AND THEY JUST OPENED UP KIDS PARK. WHICH IS A KNEW GAL YOURY. AND, UM, IT'S A LOT OF FUN.

Mary says I HAVEN'T SEEN IT T IS IT GREAT?

Ellen says IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE REAL WORLD BUT AT A CHILD'S LEVEL. I MEAN, THERE'S A RECORDING STUDIO THERE. SO THE KIDS ARE... KIDS CAN GO IN AND MAKE RECORDS. NOT RECORDS BUT CD'S AND THEY'VE GOT A MINIATURE...

Mary says THEY DON'T TAKE THEM WITH THEM, DO THEY?

Ellen says THEY CAN TAKE THE COMPUTER. AND, UM, AND THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A MINI CONSTRUCTION SITE. AND SUPERMARKETS. SO IT'S CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF FUN. AND THEM WE USUALLY CHECK OUT UNFORTUNATE... OUT ONE OF THE MOVIES OF I LIKE I-MAX.

Mary says GREAT. WE'RE OUT OF TIME. GREAT SUGGESTIONS FROM BOTH OF YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HAVE A GOOD WINTER.

Helen says THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Mary says ELLEN NOW FROM CERTIFICATES MEDIA RELATIONS MANAGER AT TOURISM TORONTO ANDL HELEN LOVEKIN IS MEDIA RELATIONS CORDNATOR... COORDINATOR FOR NORTH AMERICA ON TORONTO TOURISM. FOR MORE IDEAS, YOU CAN GET THE "YOU I HATE WINTER" BOOK OF THE AND COPIES OF THE BOOK WILL BE SENT TO JANINE IN TORONTO. SHE'S GOT LOTS OF SUGGESTIONS NOW FROM US. CHESTLY AND MJ IN LONDON. LORRAINE... LORRAINE IN CHESTRY AND MJ IN LONDON. THANK YOU FOR CALLING IN.

A slate reads "Tourism Toronto, www.torontotourism.com, 1-800-363-1990."

It changes to "Ontario Tourism, www.ontariotravel.net, 1-800-668-2746."

Mary says AND WHO KNEW THAT DOG SLEDDING IS ONE OF THE MOST ABOUT POPULAR WINTER SORTS... WINTER SPORTS IN THE PROVINCE? OUR COLLEAGUES AT "STUDIO 2." KNEW. THEY RECENTLY TOOK A LONG, HARD PULL AT THE SUBJECT.

A clip plays in which dogs in chains walk around on fresh snow as they whine expectantly.

A female voice says FORT FIRST TIME OF SOMEONE COMING INTO THE CARD, IT'S FRANTIC. DOGS ARE IN LINE FOR THE HARNESS AND THEY START JUMPING AND HOWLING.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Kevin Weight. First-Time dog sledder."

Kevin, in his thirties, says AS I SAID, IT'S NOTHING THAT I EVER DID BEFORE. I'M USED TO THE STRENGTH OF THE KIND OF DOGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE AROUND. BUT TO BE DRIVING A TEAM OF THEM WOULD BE SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

Fast clips show men harnessing furry gray and black dogs who jump around playfully as they howl and wag their tails.

The caption changes to "Richard Bayly. Singing Dogs Dog Sled Adventures."

Richard, in his forties, says I GOT MY FIRST, FIRST SLED DOG IN '96 AND I GOT HER AS A PUPPY MUCH AND I DIDN'T USE HER AS A SLED DOG FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. I JUST LIKED HER AS A PET. SHE BRED TO THE NEIGHBOUR'S DOG KIND OF BY MISTAKE AND, UM, AND PRETTY SOON I HAD, WELL, I KEPT ONE PUPPY FROM THAT LITTER OF THE UNTIL MY BROTHER PHONED ME UP AGAIN AND SAID I HAVE THAT... THAT I HAVE THREE MORE DOGS FOR YOU MUCH MUCH WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A TEAM? SO WE HAD THE BREEDING GO ON AND THEN WE HAD 12 DOGS. THEN WE WERE BEING ASKED BY ALL OF OUR FRIEND, CAN WE GO OUT? CAN WE GO OUT? TAKE US DOG SLEDDING. BY THE TIME WE TOOK OUT ALL OF OUR FRIENDS, WE THOUGHT MAYBE WE SHOULD BE CHARGING FOR IT MUCH IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE HOBBY.

As he shows Kevin how to stand on the sled, Richard says USE THIS PART FOR THE... IF YOU EVER SLIP OFF. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

Kevin says YEP.

Richard says IT CAN HURT. SO PUSH THE BRAKE DOWN LIKE THAT. AND IF... ONCE YOUR DOGS ARE STOPPED, YOU STAY ON THE BRAKE.

Richard says AND WE TAKE OUT PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE CORNER MUCH WE TAKE OUT LOCAL P.M. PEOPLE. UM, DOG SLEDDING. WE'LL TAKE OUT PEOPLE FROM THE UNITED STATES. WE'LL TAKE PEOPLE FROM EUROPE.

The caption changes to "Cynthia Thorpe. Singing Dogs Dog Sled Adventures."

Cynthia, in her thirties, holds a white dog as she says THE BREEDING THAT WE DO, UM, UM, WE USE ALL OF OUR OWN DOGS. UM, WE BREED THEM FOR OUR OWN PURPOSES. WE DON'T SELL THEM. WE LIKE TO GET A MIX OF... DUNCAN HERE IS A BIG ESKIMO. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME SIBERIANS. AND THEN WE HAVE THE CROSS BETWEEN THE EFFECT CAN CO AND SIBERIANS AND THOSE ARE MID-RANGE DOGS. THEY'RE HIGH ENDURANCE DOGS. THEY'RE FAST DOGS. SMART. WE STARTED... STARTED TRAINING THEM VERY EARLY. WHERE I WOULD BE THE LEAD DOG AND RICHARD WOULD RUN BEHIND. I WOULD RUN IN FRONT AND RICHARD WOULD RUN DIRECTIONS AND I WOULD RUN OFF TO THE SIDE AND HAVE THE PUPPIES FOLLOW. AND YOU GET VERY, VERY ATTACHED TO AM THEM. VERIFY JUST, THEY'RE PETS. THEY'RE NOT WORKING DOGS. THEY ARE PETS. YOU GET VERY USED TO THEM. THEIR VOICES. THEIR LOOKS MUCH THERAPY MANNERISMS. OF ALL THE DOGS THAT WE'VE HAD HAVE GROWN UP TOGETHER. AND THEY KNOW WHERE THEIR PLACE IS IN THE HIERARCHY IN THE DOG YARD. THEY KNOW ALL ABOUT THE DOG DYNAMICS OF THE YARD AND IT BREAKS THEM IN VERY QUICKLY. IT IS SO MUCH FUN WATCHING THEM DO DIFFERENT THINGS. AND... AND BEHAVIOUR. ALWAYS CHANGES. AND... AND JUST THE WAY THEY REACT TO YOU. OR THE WAY THEY'RE GOING TO REACT TO, UM, TO... TO SOME GUESTS. WE'VE HAD GUESTS THAT COME OUT, AND P.M. PEOPLE THAT, PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE OVER 200 POUND, REALLY REALLY STRONG GUYS AND THEY'LL TAKE SOMEBODY LIKE DUNCAN HERE AND WE'LL SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE DUNCAN IN. OH, YEAH, SURE I CAN DO IT IT THIS. NOT A PROBLEM. NOT A PROBLEM. GUY TAKES HIM AND JUST GETS TO... GETS PULLED PLAT ON... FLAT ON HIS FACE AND THE DOG DRAGS HIM IN ALL THE WAY TO THE LINE. THE DOGS ARE SO ABOUT PERSPECTIVE. WITH KIDS, THIS DOG, THE SAME DOG WILL WALK WITH THAT CHILD AND NOT PULL AND WALK ALL THE ROY TO THE GANG LINE. IT'S JUST HILARIOUS. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FUNNIEST THINGS I'VE EVER SEEN.

Richard says WELL, GENERALLY A DOG CAN PULL ABOUT 75 percent OF ITS OWN BODY WEIGHT. ALL DAY. A DAY LIKE TODAY, WE'RE CLEANING THE ICE OUT OF THEIR FEET, WE'LL MAYBE RUN THEM FOR 25 MINUTE SO THAT... BUT OTHER DAYS WHEN THE TRAIL A'S HARD AND THEY'RE NOT PICKING UP ICE BALLS, THEY CAN RUN TWO AND-A-HALF THREE HOURS WITHOUT A BREAK. THEY'LL PICK THEIR OWN PACE. THEY'LL GO AT A FAST TROT OR SLOW LOPE. THEY CAN DO THAT FOR HOURS.

Cynthia says KEEPING 24 DOGS IS A LOT OF WORK. WINTERTIME IS TOUGH. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET AROUND IN THE YARD MUCH THROUGH DEEP SNOW LEFT FOOT TIMES. WATERING. WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE WATERED EVERY DAY MUCH THEY HAVE TO BE FED EVERY DAY MUCH WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT STRAW IN THEIR, IN THEIR DOGHOUSES WHEN IT'S REALLY COLD OF THE WE ALSO HAVE TO, UM, IF IT'SL REALLY, REALLY COLD, UM, BITTER COLD, WE'LL MAKE THEM UP A STEW. ON THE WOOD STOVE IN THE HOUSE. AND THEN THE SUMMERTIME, THERE'S A LOT MORE... ALL THE CLEAN UP TO DO MUCH YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE YARDS CLEAN BECAUSE IT'S SO HOT. WATCH TAKE THEM FOR WALKS. WE'LL TAKE A COUPLE OUT ON BICYCLES TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF TRAINING.

Richard says WE HAVE IN THE... PROBABLY WITHIN A 60-MILE RADIUS, THERE'S PROBABLY 10 OR 12 OTHER ABOUT PEOPLE THAT DO DOG SLEDDING THAT IS CORRECT WE KNOW OF. WE'RE TRYING TO GET A REGIONAL NETWORK OF DOG-SLED ONLY TRAILS. WE HAVE MILLIONS OF ACRES OF BUSH IN THIS AREA MUCH THERE'S OTHER AREAS IN ONTARIO, WHERE IT IS AN INDUSTRY. THERE'S AREAS IN... IN, UM, IN ALGONQUIN PARK AREA, AND THEY HAVE, UM, THEY HAVE CLOSE TO 300 KILOMETER OF GROOMED DOG SLED TRAILS. JUST FOR DOG SLEDDING. WE DON'T HAVE ANY. NOT ONE. NONE. SO WE, WE... I SPEND MY LIFE ON THE SNOWMOBILE. PACKING TRAILS.

Kevin says IT WAS THRILLING. UM, ABOUT EXHILARATING. UM, AND TO FEEL THE POWER THAT THE DOGS HAD. AND, UM, AND... AND IT'S LIKE THE FIRST TIME I DROVE A CAR.

Richard says I CAN COULD SEE THIS GROWING INTO SOMETHING REALLY BIG OF THE OF THIS IS WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WANT. THIS IS... IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S SO QUIET. IT... IT'S, UM, IT'S A NATURAL THING OF THE MUCH IT DOESN'T POLLUTE. IT... IT'S DOG POWER. AND IF YOU LIKE DOGS, OR IF YOU JUST LIKE TO BE OUT IN THE WINTER, THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO DO IT.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Mary says THANK YOU TO "STUDIO 2" FOR THAT. DRIVING A DOGGED SLED IN WINTER IS ONE THING MUCH BUT DRIVING A CAR IS ANOTHER. IN THE PAST THREE DAYS, SOUTHERN ONTARIO HAS BEEN HIT WITH OVER 30 CENTIMETERS OF THE WHITE STUFF. AND THOUGH TORONTO DIDN'T CALL IN THE ARMY FOR RELIEF THIS TIME, THE POLICE WERE KEPT BUSY OF THE WITH OVER 700 TRAFFIC ACCIDENT. ON HIGHWAYS IN AND AROUND THE... IN AND AROUND THE GTA. HOW DO WE COPE WITH WINTER ROADS? NOBODY KNOWS BETTER THAN THE O ABOUT PP SERGEANT CAM WOOLLEY. HE'S HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

Cam is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He's wearing a police uniform.

Mary says NICE TO SEE YOU. WE TALK ABOUT OVER 700 ACCIDENT MUCH I MEAN, PUT IT IN CONTEXT. HOW BAD HAS THIS TIME PERIOD BEEN?

The caption changes to "Sargent Cam Woolley. Ontario Provincial Police."

As Cam speaks, footage shows snowplows pushing snow off roads and highways.

Cam says WELL, THAT WAS JUST IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS. WE'VE... WE'RE ACTUALLY ABOUT 1500 RIGHT NOW. THERE'S STILL, THEY'RE STILL TICKING AWAY AS WE TALK RIGHT NOW. WHAT HAPPENED IS REALLY THAT THE STORM CHANGED. MUCH WE GOT THROUGH THE MORNING RUSH HOUR WELL. AND IN THE TORONTO AREA WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN IT'S RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC, IT'S STOP-AND-GO OF THE CAN'T GO FAST ENOUGH TO HURT THEMSELVES. AND, UM, AND THEN AFTER RUSH HOUR, TRAFFIC SPREAD OUT. PEOPLE STARTED GOING FAST. THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE MISTAKE THEY MAKE. WE HAD SOME ICING HAPPENING OF AND, UM, AND IT BECAME VERY DANGEROUS. WE HAD TO CLOSE HIGHWAY 401. WE HAD TO CLOSE HIGHWAY 400. AND DURING THE ICING AND THEM THE AFTERNOON, THE SNOW CAME SO FAST THAT THE SNOWPLOWS, WELL, THERE'S A PLOW THERE OF THE OF UM, AND... THE SNOWPLOWS COOPERATE KEEP UP IN THE AFTERNOON.

Mary says SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, ARE YOU SAYING THAT DURING A STORM ITSELF, THERE AREN'T REALLY REALLY, LIKE, A LOT OF BAD ACCIDENT. IT'S ONCE... IT STARTS GETTING A LITTLE BETTER THAT PEOPLE START SPEEDING UP AND CAUSING ACCIDENT.

Cam says THAT'S THE PROBLEM. ABSOLUTELY. IN RUSH HOUR. NOW IN THE RURAL ROADS, IT'S DIFFERENT OF THE BUT ANYWHERE WHERE THE ABOUT PEOPLE HAVE ROOM TO GO FAST, THEY TEND TO GO TOO FAST AND THEN THEY CRASH. A LOT OF CRASH IN THE SNOW ARE ABOUT PEOPLE SPINNING IN THE DITCH AND, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT... WHERE IT GETS BAD IS WHEN THEY COLLIDE WITH OTHER VEHICLES AND TENDS TO BE WORST BETWEEN THE RUSH HOURS. FIRST DAY AFTER THE SNOWSTORM. BECAUSE THEY GET GOING SO FAST AND THEN THAT'S WHEN WE GET THESE LIFE-THREATENING CRASHES.

Mary says NOW, UM, OUTSIDE OF A STORM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE PROBLEM, WITH WINTER DRIVING. IS IT SPEED? OR WHAT... WHAT IS IT?

Cam says ABSOLUTELY.

Mary says IT IS SPEED?

Cam says SOMEBODY ASKED ME... ME HOW MANY CRASHES THE WEATHER CAUSED. YOU I THINK PROBABLY AROUND A DOZEN AND ABOUT 695 DRIVERS. AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE ABOUT PEOPLE GOING SO FAST THAT THEY LOSE CONTROL OF THEIR VEHICLES.

Mary says AH. DO YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF... IF THIS IS CONNECTED TO WINTER DRIVING, BUT IT MIGHT BE OF BUFF I HEARD MANY . PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN EUROPE OR COME FROM EUROPE THEY COMPLAIN THAT AT THE DON'T... WE DON'T USE THE PASSING LANE WHICH IS IN EUROPE MUCH WHICH IS FOR PASSING AND THAT'S IT... DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? A.

Cam says ABSOLUTELY. LANE DISCIPLINE IN THE TORONTO AREA IS TERRIBLE. ANYBODY DRIVES AROUND NORTH AMERICA WILL SEE THAT. UM, AND ACTUALLY, IT'S AN OFFENSE. AND... AND DO... 110 dollar FINE. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T TRY AND... WON'T TRY AND DO SOMETHING AT RUSH HOUR OR THERE WOULD BE 400,000 VIOLATE FORS. BUT RULE OF THUMB IS KEEP RIGHT. AND WHEN YOU DRIVE ELSEWHERE, THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE... WHAT YOU SEE MUCH NOW, REALLY, THAT TOUCHES ON WHOLE ATTITUDE OF DRIVING OF THE IN EUROPE AND SOME OF THE COUNTRY, THERE'S FAR MORE EDUCATION AROUND IT. AND THE PHYSICAL PART OF DRIVING, ACTUALLY, ISN'T THAT DIFFICULT. IT'S THE MENTAL PART. THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE HAVING TROUBLE. WE HAVE THE BAD ATTITUDES. ING A... THE AGGRESSIVE DRIVING AND ROAD RAGE AND...

Mary says IS THAT GETTING WORSE?

Cam says IT IS OF THE TROUBLE IS THE INFRATURE DIDN'T KEEP WITH... KEEP UP PACE IN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND DRIVING VOLUMES HAVE DOUBLE IN THE PAST FEW YEARS . AND COMMUTES ARE TAKING LONGER. WITHIN THE NEXT TEN YEARS , A COMMUTE FROM BARRIE IS EXPECTED TO BE ABOUT TWO HOURS OF THE SO... A LITTLE BIT OF BAD NEWS TO THE COMMUTERS. AND THE SAME WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN FROM, UM, FROM OAKVILLE AND BURLINGTON OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PLANNING TO... TO COMMUTE EVERY DAY, THE COMMUNICATING TIME IS... IS EXPECTED TO DOUBLE THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING.

Mary says SO IF YOU SAY THAT A LOT OF IT IS MENTAL, RIGHT? IT'S ATTITUDE. HOW DO YOU CHANGE PEOPLE'S WAY OF THINKING THEN? I DON'T KNOW IF... I DON'T KNOW TODAY WHAT DRIVING COURSES ENTAIL? DO THEY...

Cam says WELL...

Mary says DO THEY FOCUS ON THAT A.

Cam says THE DRIVING COURSES ARE PRIMARILY THE RULES OF THE ROAD. AND THAT IS ONLY A PART OF IT. YOU REALLY NEED THE RIGHT PERSONALITY. YOU... YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PLAY NICE WITH OTHERS OUT THERE. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THE ROAD. THERE'S A VERY LITTLE MARBLE INFOR ERROR OUT THERE. WHEN I JOINED THE OPP RUSH... RUSH HOUR STARTED AT IN THE MORNING AND RUSH HOUR WAS ONLY AN HOUR AND NOW THERE'S TWO RUSHES, ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT. THE THINGS HAVE... HAVE REALLY CHANGED. PEOPLE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PERSONALITY AND THE PATIENCE TO SHARE THE ROAD WITH OTHERS, ESPECIALLY THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES, THEY HANDLE DIFFERENTLY. SHARING THE ROAD WITH TRUCK OF THE MUCH P.M. PEOPLE SAY, BAN THE TRUCK. SURE BE LET'S GET RID OF THE TRUCKS AND THAT WILL GET RID OF ALL OF THOSE PESKY JOBS AND FOOD AND HOUSES AND THINGS.

Mary says YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR A MILLION DIFFERENT EXCUSES. RIGHT? FOR SPEEDING. PEOPLE IN A RUSH. TELL ME SOME OF THE BEST ONES?

Cam says WELL, I WON'T TELL YOU THE ONES THAT WORK. ACTUALLY, UM, A SPEEDING...

Mary says CRYING, MAYBE, WOULD THAT WORK?

Cam says NO, CRYING USUALLY DOESN'T WORK.

Mary says OKAY.

Cam says BUT SPEEDING'S AN ABSOLUTE LIABILITY. JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS. UNDER THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT. THAT MEANS TECHNICALLY, THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR IT T SO MY SPE SPEEDOMETER BROKE, MY DOG MAID IT,... MY DOG ATE IT. THE MAID THREW IT OUT. IT DOESN'T WORK. YOU I SAW 154 KILOMETER AN HOUR IN THE STORM.

Mary says ON THE HIGHWAY?

Cam says YES A YOUNG GUY IN A HONDA. MY BOSS STOPPED A GUY THIS MORNING, UM, DOING 145. IN A BLIZZARD. AND... AND THESE PEOPLE... AND THE GUY SAID, OH, WELL, I'M LATE FOR WORK. YOU'RE GOING TO BE LATE YORE HIS OWN IF YOU KNOWL RAL THE WAY HE'S GOING AT THAT CAN KIND OF SPEED MUCH EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. I STOPPED A GUY A FEW DAYS AGO IN A FANCY SUV DOING 140 KILOMETER AN HOUR AND HE TOLD ME THAT HE BASS JUST TRYING TO CLEAN THE SNOW OFF HIS TRUCK. TURNED OUT HE WAS TOO LAZY TO BRUSH IT TO HAVE AND STOPPED HE WOULD BLOW IT OFF. STOPPED A YOUNG WOMAN IN A NEW SUN BIRD AND SHE JUST BOUGHT IT AND DIDN'T WANT TO GET IT DIRTY OF THE SO IT WAS SNOWING OUT. SHE THOUGHT IF IT IT SHE WENT FAST, THE SNOW WOULD BLOW AWAY FROM THE CAR...

Mary says YOU HAVE BAD EXCUSES.

Cam says THEY DIDN'T WORK.

Mary says BUT YOU MENTION SUV'S. TELL ME. SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE IN A BIG CAR, RIGHT? DOES THAT... I MEAN, MAYBE I'M BEING BIASED HERE, BUT I JUST THINK A BIGGER CAR, DO YOU AM EDGE... DO PEOPLE TEND TO FEEL MORE INVINCIBLE?

Cam says YES, THERE'S SOME BENEFIT TO SUV'S. AND I'VE HAD THEM ABOUT MYSELF SINCE '76 BEFORE THEY WERE CALLED THAT. AND I HAVE ONE NOW. LAWS OF PHYSICS, HELP THEM SOMETIME. MUCH BUT ACTUALLY WE'RE FINDING THAT THEY ARE, UM, LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THEY'RE COMPLETELY, THE... THEY HANDLE DIFFERENTLY. ROLL OVER THRESHOLD IS LOWER AND THEY'RE EASIER TO TIP MUCH THE LAW OF PHYSICS, YOU CAN EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT AND GET FOR GIVEN AND NOT GET CAUGHT. BUT THE LAW OF PHYSICS ARE UNFORGIVING. AND THE SUV'S WEIGH MORE AND DON'T STOP WELL. THEY HAVE BETTER TRACTION TO GET GOING FAST. WE SEE THEM ALL THE TIME CRASH ING INTO THE GUARD RAILTS. THEY EXCEED. GET GOING TOO FAST AND SPIN OUT. WITH FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, THE TAIL DOESN'T WAG FIRST. THE WHOLE THING GOES: AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT IT, IT'S... IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. IT HAS A PROPER USE FOR THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. AND A... A LOT OF PEOPLE BUY THEM AS A FASHION ACCESSORY OR THEY BELIEVE THAT... THAT THE ADVERTISEMENTS WHERE THEY THINK IT'S A MOBILE MOUNTAIN GOAT OR SOMETHING. BUT ALL... ALL I FIND THEY DO IS TIP BETTER. AND GET, GET ABOUT MORE STUCK.

Mary says YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT? I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE NEW LAW TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE AND THEIR CRUISERS OF THE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TERRIBLE ACCIDENT WITH POLICE GETTING HIT.

Cam says YES, WE HAVE.

Mary says TELL US ABOUT THAT.

Cam says SECTION 159.19 OF THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT... RESULTED AS A RESULT OF THE DEATH OF A SERGEANT MARGARET EVE. KILLED ON HE HIGHWAY 401 WHILE IN THE PROCESS OF AN ARRESTING ANGLE ARMED ROBBERY SUSPECT. O ABOUT P... FOUR OPP OFFICERS KILLED AROUND HERE. IT WASN'T JUST THE POLICE OFFICERS BUT PARAMEDICS AND FIREFIGHTERS OF WHAT THIS REQUIRES MOTORISTS TO DO IS WHEN THEY ARE DRIVING ALONG AND THEY SEE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE, EVEN ONE ON THE SHOULDER, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO... TO SLOW DOWN AND USE EXTREME CAUTION. AND WE TALKED ABOUT LANES, AND, UM, AND WE, WE, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO CHANGE LANES. IF IT IS SAFE TO DO SO. SO... SO IN RUSH HOUR, YOU PROBABLY CAN. BUFF I TELL YOU, ON TUESDAY, I WAS OUT THERE IN A CRASH ON THE 400 BY MYSELF AND HAD MYELITIS GOING, A LADY HAD CRASHED INTO THE SHOULDER. IT WAS A SUPER ICY IN THE SECTION. AND NOBODY SLOWED DOWN. AND, UM, NOBODY CHARGED LANE. AND,... AND NOBODY CHANGED LANES OF IT'S DANGEROUS. ON TUESDAY, JUST TO...

Mary says WHEN YOU SAY NOBODY... YOU WOULD HAVE TO EVENTUALLY...

Cam says IT'S ON THE SHOULDER AND ARE ZIPPING BY. INCHES...

Mary says THAT'S THE...

Cam says THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

Mary says YOU MEAN LEAVE A LANE... A.

Cam says LEAVE A BUZZER OF THE AND ON TUESDAY ALONE, AN AMBULANCE WAS HIT. ON THE 401... IN OSHAWA AND 400 JUST SOUTH OF ME. I RESPONDED TO THE CALL, UM, TO HELP OUT. AN OFFICER FROM TORONTO DETACHMENT WAS AT, WAS AT CRASHES. AND, UM, TRUCK WENT OUT OF CONTROL RIGHT AT HER AND STARTED SLIDING ON ICE AND SHE HAD TO RUN AND PHYSICALLY DIVE OUT OF THE WAY OF THE TRUCK TO AVOID BEING CRUSHED TO DEATH. AND SHE GOT INJURED.

Mary says NOW, OH, BOY, SO THIS LAW IS IN EFFECT NOW.

Cam says YES, IT IS. BEEN THERE SINCE APRIL.

Mary says SO I WAS GOING TO SAY A GRACE PERIOD MUCH THERE'S NO GRACE PERIOD...

Cam says NO.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT FIPESE?

Cam says FINES ARE NASTY. THE OUT OF COURT FINE, THAT MEANS IF... IF THE KIND OF... IF THEY KIND OF LIKE YOU, IT'S 485 dollars. OF POINT OFF THE LICENSE. IN THE CASE WHERE IT MAY BE CAUSED A CRASH OR NEAR CRASH, UM, OR REPEAT OFTENS... OFF THE... OFF O O... OFFENSES, 4,000 dollars AND SIX MONTHS IN JAIL AND A A DRIVER'S LICENSE SUSPENSION MUCH IT'S BEING TAKEN SEER JUSTICELY MUCH THERE'S BEEN AN EDUCATION. IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR NINE MONTH. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE MEDIA SOMEWHAT. THAT'S THE REASON WE TALK ABOUT IT NOW. WE WANT TO... OBVIOUSLY MOST OF THE TIME THE POLICE AND MEDICS ARE TOO BUSY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT OF THE I THINK... I THINK MOST DRIVERS... DON'T WANT TO HURT THEM. BUT THE FACT ESPECIALLY ON THE SNOW AND ICE, PEOPLE TEND TO AM COME UP AND THEN A BIG MISTAKE, PEOPLE MAKE IN THE SNOW, OVERREACT AND SLIDE INTO US.

Mary says GOOD TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE THINGS TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, CAM, FOR COMING IN OF THE WEEVIL TRY AND DRIVE SAFELY THIS WINTER. SERGEANT CAN CAM WOOLLEY IS THE O P P PEA TRAFFIC EXPERT. THERE ARE FLURRIES FORECAST FOR THE REST OF THE WEEK SO MANY FOR MORE INFORMATION ON TRAFFIC SAFETY, AND ROAD CONDITION, GO TO...

A slate reads "Ministry of Transportation, www.mto.gov.on.ca."

Mary says but that is it for our show today. Thank you for watching, and please join us each weekday, Monday to Friday, for More to Life at 1 o'clock.

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