Transcript: Classroom Literacy, More To Courage | Nov 05, 2003

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In animation, against a backdrop of colourful squares in hues of purple, blue and orange, words fly by as clips show people performing different activities: More to Health, More to Education, More to Science, More to Money, More to Family, More to Ontario. Finally, the title of the show reads "More to life."

Mary Ito sits in a studio made of translucent panes that mimic the animated presentation of the show.

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a printed green blouse.

She says HELLO. I AM MARY ITO. WELCOME TO MORE TO LIFE. LATER IN THE SHOW, A CHAMPION OF HUMAN RIGHTS WHO IS BEING HONORED FOR HER WORK. BUT FIRST, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO ELECTION FEVER? VOTER TURN OUT HAS BEEN STEADLY DECLINING IN CANADA. HERE ARE THE DISMAL FACTS, ONLY PEFERN PERCENT OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS SHOWED UP DURING THE LAST PROVINCIAL ELECTION... 57. LESS THEN 30 PERCENT EXPECTED FOR THIS MONDAY MUNICIPAL ELECTION. DON'T EVEN COUNT ON THE YOUTH VOTE. MOST YOUNG PEOPLE CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO MARK A BALLOT. WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. HERE TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES ARE TAYLOR GUN, THE CHIEF ELECTION OFFICER OF KIDS VOTE CANADA...

Taylor is in his twenties, clean-shaven, with short, receding brown hair. He's wearing a black suit and a blue shirt.

Mary continues A NONPROFIT GROUP THAT STAGED MOCK LEAKS IN SCHOOLS ACROSS ELECTION DURING THE RECENT PROVINCIAL ELECTION. OUR RESIDENT EDUCATION COLUMNIST AS WELL AS THE PUBLISHER AND EDITOR OF TEACH MAGAZINE. ALSO THE PUBLISHER OF MY COMMITMENT TO CAN DACHLT AN ACTIVE EXPLORATION OF DEMOCRATIC CITIZENSHIP AND AN EDUCATIONAL RESOURCE USED IN CLASSROOMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY...

Wili is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He's wearing a khaki shirt.
A picture of his book appears briefly on screen. The cover is white and red, featuring pictures of two young men and three young women.

Mary continues WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF VOTER PARTICIPATION IN OUR COUNTRY? WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO REVERSE THE TIDE? DID YOUR SON OR DAUGHTER VOTE IN THE LAST ELECTION? DID YOU? EXERCISE YOUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT AND GIVE US A CALL TODAY. IN TORONTO, THE NUMBER TO DIAL, OR YOU CAN E-MAIL US YOUR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS...

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary continues WE ALSO HAVE DOPS GIVE TO CALLERS WHOSE QUESTIONS MAKE IT TO AIR. I AM SURE IT WILL BOOST IT TO A BEST SELLER.

Wili says IT'S ALREADY A BEST SELLER. IT'S ALREADY UP THERE.

Mary says WHAT I FORGOT TO MENTION TO VIEWERS, ALSO BE INTERESTING TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE MOVED HERE, IMMIGRATED TO CANADA AND VOTED ELSEWHERE.

Wili says ABSOLUTELY.

Mary says COMPARING THE DIFFERENT VOTING PROCEDURES IN TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. FIRST OF ALL, THE BIG MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION. WHY IS VOTER TURN OUT SO LOW? I'LL ASK YOU FIRST.

The caption changes to "Wili Liberman. Education Columnist."

Wili says I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, NO SIMPLE ANSWER TO THAT. AND THERE'S A MULTIPLICITY OF REASONS BUT LOOKING TO THE MACRO LEVEL FIRST, MY PERSONAL FEELING, A CRISIS OF LEADERSHIP, CERTAINLY IN WESTERN SOCIETY AND WESTERN NATIONS, CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES. SO THAT THERE AREN'T THE LEADERS OUT THERE WHO REALLY CAN SPEAK TO PEOPLE AND REALLY INSPIRE THEM TO GET THEM EXCITED ABOUT THE ISSUES, THE POLICIES THEY'RE PUTTING FORWARD. IN FACT, I THINK IF YOU LOOK BACK FOR ME PERSONALLY AGAIN, IF YOU GO BACK TO TRUEDEAU. THAT HAD THAT KIND OF INTS PRAINGAL KIND OF APPROACH. WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKED HIM AS A PERSON OR YOU LIKED HIS POLICIES, HE WAS, I THINK IN THE TRUE SENSE, A LEADER. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT, DEFINE THE AREA, HIS SOCIETY, HIS LEGACY WAS THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS, SO, IT WAS INSPIRATIONAL, IDEALISTIC KIND OF STUFF.

Mary says CAN WE TAKE THAT FURTHER AND SAY BECAUSE NOBODY THAT STICKS OUT, RIGHT, AND EVERYBODY FALLS INTO SORT OF A GRAY MIDDLE AND PEOPLE CAN'T REALLY DISTINGUISH ONE FROM ANOTHER. IS THAT FAIR?

Wili says SNI THINK, TWO, LOOK AT ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS, FEDERAL, PROVINCIAL, A SIMILAR CRISIS EXIST AND I CAN KEEP GOING FOR A SECOND. AND THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS AGAIN AT THE MACRO LEVEL, I THINK THE INVASIVENESS AND PERVASIVENESS OF THE MEDIA IN THAT RECENTLY POLITICIANS WHO ARE - JUST LIKE THE REST OF US AND DEEPLY FLAWED INDIVIDUALS BUT PUT UNDER THAT KIND OF MICROSCOPE, NOBODY CAN STAND THAT KIND OF SKRUT NEEMENT SEE ALMOST TOO MUCH OF PEOPLE, TOO MUCH OF THEIR PERSONAL LIVES AND I THINK THAT ALSO ACTS TO DISILLUSION PEOPLE. AND ALSO, TAKES AWAY, RETRACTS FROM THE FACT OF, YOU KNOW THIS WHOLE AURA OF LEADERSHIP THAT'S SO DESPERATELY NEEDED.

Mary says WHAT DOW THINK?

The caption changes to "Taylor Gunn. Kids Voting Canada."

Taylor says I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL, IT IS SAD TO SAY THIS ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT I'M INTO T. THE NAME OF THE VOTE DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE. A LOT OF LEVELS WHERE THEY THINK IT MIGHT NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. BECAUSE THEY ARE 1 OF MILLIONS.

Mary says OKAY.

Taylor says IT MIGHT NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE BECAUSE MAYBE ALL OF THE GOVERNMENTS THEY HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST, THEY FEEL HAVE ACTED THE SAME. WHICH IS A CHALLENGE WE FACE AT LEAST HEARING FROM STUDENTS AND IT DOESN'T MATTER, THEY'LL DOT SAME THINGS ANYWAYS. AND ALSO, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF GOVERNMENT, I AM NOT ONE TO SAY I UNDERSTAND IT EITHER. BUT AT LEAST FROM WHAT I EXPERIENCED. IT IS SLOWER THAN WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE. TOOTS MAYBE NOT AS EXCITING AS AND AS ENGAGING AS WE THINK IT COULD BE. AND AUMS, IT IS A SEPARATE LANGUAGE. IT IS LIKE WHEN YOU WANT TO GO AND START TO UNDERSTAND OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM AND THE ISSUES AND THE POLICIES AND THE PLATFORMS, IT TAKES AN EFFORT ON BEHALF OF A CITIZEN. YOU HAVE TO WORK AT IT. AND IT HELPS TO HAVE A HABIT. IF YOU ARE ONE THAT DOESN'T READ THE NEWSPAPER, AS SAD AS THAT WOULD BE. HOW WILL YOU BECOME AWARE OF THE ISSUE, 15 SECOND MEDIA CLIP OR WHATEVER.

Mary says LET ME ASK YOU. THESE ARE ALL VERY GOOD REASONS BUT THOSE SAME REASONS, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ON A BIG SCALE, RIGHT. WOULD THOSE REASONS BE THE SAME FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, NOT VOTING?

Taylor says I HAVE MY OWN SORT OF IDEAS, ABOUT 6 MAJOR REASONS WHY YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T VOTE BUT A LOT OF IT REVOLVE AROUND THEM NOT BEING ENGAGED. WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE SAY, YOU CAN GET A DRIVERS LICENSE AFTER YOU PRACTICED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, WHAT WITH THE PROGRAM AND IMAGINE WE'LL SPEAK ABOUT SOON. WE TRY TO INSTILL THAT BUT DON'T HAVE THAT, A FORMULA FOR STUDENTS TO BOTTOM ENGAGED AS YOUNG SYSTEMS WITHIN OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. I THINK A LOT OF STUDENTS FEEL

Mary says DID WE EVER? RIGHT? WE DIDN'T.

Taylor says NO.

Wili says WE HAVEN'T.

Mary says BUT THIS IS THE WEIRD THING, I MEAN, HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE LOOKED AT YOUNG PEOPLE AS BEING THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND SOCIAL ACT STRIFT. SO WHAT HAPPENED?

Taylor says WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. TURN OUT HAS BEEN GOING DOWN SINCE 1960'S. BUT WHAT'S HAPPENED NOW. STUDENTS ARE VOTING 10 PERCENT EVEN LESS THAN THEIR PARENTS DID FROM THE 1960'S SO AN EXAGGERATED LEVEL OF NONPARTICIPATION. I THINK THAT WHAT HAS TO DO WITH A LOT OF STUDENTS OR, YOU KNOW, KIDS ARE YOUNG VOTERS, 18 TO 25, 18 TO 30, IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES THEY FEEL LIKE THE ISSUES ARE BEING ADDRESSED. A MAJOR CATCH 22. IF YOUTH AREN'T VOTING, THEN WHY WOULD YOUR ISSUES BE ADDRESSED.

Wili says A LOT OF IRONIES ARE BUILT IN THERE.

Mary says YOU HAVE TO ASK, WHY ISN'T IRAQ OR... YOU KNOW WHY ISN'T THAT STIMULATING THE INTEREST AND THE PASSION THAT THOSE KINDS OF...

Wili says WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK A KOUCHL REASONS. ONE REASON IS THAT YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY ADOLESCENTS TEND TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ADOLESCENT DOS AND A CERTAIN PROPORTION OF THOSE ADOLESCENTS TEND TO BE SOMEWHAT SELF ABSORBED AND MAY NOT BE LOOKING AT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE LARGER ISSUES. THE OTHER IS THAT DISTANCING AS WELL. I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING HAPPENING WAY OVER THERE AND DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT ME PERSONALLY AS, YOU KNOW, AS AN INDIVIDUAL. BUT THE THING IS...

Mary says BUT VIETNAM WAS HAPPENING WAY OVER THERE.

Wili says I THINK A LOT OF MISCONCEPTIONS, WE MENINGED GOING BACK TO THE 60'S, THAT WAS MY ERA. I KIND OF GREW UP IN THE 60'S.

Mary says RIGHT. SO TELL US.

Wili says IT WAS A WONDERFUL TIME AND A GREAT TIME.

Mary says DO YOU REMEMBER IT?

Wili says I REMEMBER MOST OF IT. MOST OF IT, I REMEMBER. BUT THE THING IS, THOSE THAT WERE REALLY ACTIVELY INVOLVED AND ENGAGED WERE A MINORITY. BUT WHAT THERE WAS, WE GET BACK TO THE WHOLE IDEA OF LEADERSHIP KP THE CRISIS OF LEADERSHIP, THOSE FEW THAT WERE ABLE TO INSPIRE AND THEN THAT BROUGHT MORE PEOPLE ON BOARD SKPPLT SO THAT HELPED DEVELOP OR KIND OF, THAT SOCIAL MOVEMENT THAT TOOK PLACEMENT KIND OF SNOW BALLED. I THINK THAT'S PARTLY WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT TENDS TO BE MISSING TODAY. THERE RNLT THOSE PEOPLE EXCEPT LIKE A CRAIG OR OTHERS LIKE THAT, WHO CAN INSPIRE LARGER GROUPS OF PEOPLE TO GET THEM INVOLVED.

Mary says I WANT TO BRING SOMEONE ELSE INTO THIS DISKUING. ENGAGING CITIZENS AND TEACHING ABOUT DEMOCRACY IS ACTUALLY A SPECIALTY OF OUR NEXT CALLER. JOEL WESTI'MER, A PROFESSIONOR OF EF ED KAING AT OT WACHLT HELLO THERE.

The caller says HOW ARE YOU?

Mary says VERY GOOD. Mary says ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "On the phone: Joel Westheimer. University of Ottawa."

A picture shows Joel. He's in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short dark hair.

He says YEAH, IT IS ALL HAVE ABOUTING WHAT BOTH WERE SAYING AND NOT A GREAT SITUATION IN TERMS OF VOTER PARTICIPATION AMONG YOUTH THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD, NOT ANYTHING INTRINSIC TO YOUTH THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE DECLINE IN VOTER PARTICIPATION IN TERMS OF THE ADOLESCENT DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THE PLUMMETING NUMBERS WE HAVE SEEN SINCE THE 1960'S. AND THE, THE REALLY, THE VOTER... THE DROP IN VOTER PARTICIPATION, I THINK, WE CAN ATTRIBUTE TO A SHIFT IN A SENSE OF WHAT POLITICS IS ABOUT. AND THAT IS, THAT IS AFFECTED BY WHAT GOES ON IN SCHOOLS WHARX GOES ON IN THE MEDIA AND WHAT GOES ON IN THE SOCIETY IN GENERAL AND WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW IS YOUTH MOVING SHARPLY AWAY FROM THEIR INTEREST IN POLITICS AND THE DECHRANING INTEREST IN POLITICS.

Mary says WHY IS THAT.

Joel says I THINK THAT FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS A KIND OF CYNICISM AS BOTH TAYLOR AND WILLIE LDZ, THAT THEY, YOUTH FEEL THAT IN OUR STUDIES HERE, WE SEE THAT YOUTH FEEL THAT POLITICS DOESN'T, THEY FEEL IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND THAT MEAN TWOS THINGS, ONE IS THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BOTH, DOESN'T COUNT, AND DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IN WHO GETS ELECTED BUT ALSO, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHO GETS ELECTED. THE ISSUES AND THE CANDIDATES BLUR INTO ONE AND THEY FEEL IT WON'T HAVE AN IMPACT ON THEIR LIFE DIRECTLY.

Mary says BUT IS THERE ALSO ANY SENSE THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAVE GOT IT PRETTY GOOD. I AM NOT SUFFERING, YOU KNOW THE STATUS QUO, ANY SENSE OF THAT?

Joel says I THINK THAT IT IS MORE ABOUT A DISTRUST IN SOCIAL POLICY AS A WAY TO SOLVE DEEP SOCIAL PROBLEMS AND THIS IS ESPECIALLY RELEVANT FOR SCHOOLS, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IN THE US AND CONDITION DA IS THIS ENORMOUS EMPHASIS ON VOLUNTEERISM AS A WAY OF PO MOTING CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND VOLUNTEERISM IS AT RECORD LOVELY LEVELS SO NOT THAT STUDENTS ARE COMPLETE APATHETIC OR CHECK OUT. THERE ARE MORE STUDENTS VOLUNTEERING FOR CHARITY ORGANIZATIONS AND WORKING DIRECTLY WITH HOMELESS AND HUNGRY, THAN EVER BEFORE AND YET, THEY SAY THAT POLITICS DOESN'T INTEREST THEM, SO THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THIS SORT OF DIRECT SERVICE WITHOUT LOOKING AT, LARGER SOCIAL POLICY THAT COULD HELP THAT SITUATION.

Mary says SO DO WE INTERPRET THAT AS MEANING, IF I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN, I HAVE GT TO DO IT MYSELF. NOT GOING TO...

Wili says SURE, I THINK JOEL'S RIGHT, I THINK SOME OF THAT IN THERE. ALSO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPEN NOTHING SCHOOL THAT HE HAS ELUDED TO THAT AND KIDS HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR THE LAST 8 OR 10 YEARS, A LOT OF DISRUPING, A LOT OF CHAOS AND POLICIES IMPLEMENTED AND STUDENTS DON'T FEEL THEY HAVE HAD A SAY KP THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE TO THEM AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN REALLY ABLE TO DO ONE THING OR ANOTHER, THEY HAVE THE DOUBLE CO HORT, WE HAVE HAD LABOR UNREST, KIDS HAVE LOST THEIR EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES, SO THEY IS KIND OF GONE THROUGH THAT SYSTEM FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS AND COME OUT INTO THE WORLD AS YOUNG ADULTS WITH THE RIGHT TO VOTE AND THEY ARE JADED. AND THEY ARE UPSET. SO, YES, ON THE ONE HAND ACCIDENT YOU HAVE THIS HIGHER LEVEL OF VOLUNTEERISM, MANDATORY NOW IN SCHOOLS IN ONTARIO, SO YEAH THAT WILL DRIVE THE PAR TIS PAING LEVELS UP, I THINK, YEAH, THERE IS A SPRAGUE BETWEEN EXERCISING YOUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHT AS A CITIZEN TO VOTE AND YEAH, I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE ME FEEL PERSONALLY GOOD, GIVE ME A SENSE OF WELL BEING, AND HELP OUT IN A SOCIAL ISSUE.

Joel says AND YEAH, CAN I JUST ADD, MARY, THAT IT IS NOT THAT STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, CAN'T VOTE OR DON'T KNOW HOW TO AFFECT THE FLIT KAL VOICE, JUST AN EASY EXAM, EASY TO PICK ON THE MEDIA, BUT, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE CANADIAN IDOL SHOW, OVER 25 MILLION VOTES WERE CAST AND IN THE LAST, RUN OFF THAT EVERYONE WATCHED, OVER 3.3 MILLION VOTES WERE CAST JUST FOR THAT AND THAT EXCEEDS THE VOTE CAST IN THAT AGE GROUP IN PROVINCIAL ELECTIONS.

Wili says SO MORE ROCK STARS IN POLITICS.

Mary says THAT'S SAD. YOU KNOW, LET ME JUST... JOEL BRINGS THIS UP. JOEL, YOU ARE AN AMERICAN. VOTER TURN OUT IS EVEN LOWER THERE, RIGHT. BUT WE LOOK AT THE SITUATION IN CALIFORNIA, I MEAN, DIDN'T THEY HAVE A HIGH VOTER TURN OUT.

Joel says THEY DID HAVE A SLIGHTLY ELEVATED VOTER TURN OUT BECAUSE OF THE SPECTACLE OF THAT LEAK.

Mary says SPECTACLE.

Wili says IT WAS A CIRCUS.

Mary says YOU KNOW, NOW WE HAVE AN ACTOR WHO HAS BECOME A GOVERNOR, WE DID HAVE AN ACTOR AS A PRESIDENT, TOO FOR THAT MATTER.

Wili says YES.

Mary says JOEL, IS THERE, I DON'T KNOW, DO YOUNG PEOPLE TAKE A MESS ANING AWAY FROM THAT AS WELL.

Joel says OH, ABSOLUTELY, I MEAN, THE CALIFORNIA IS, YOU KNOW, IS INTERESTING AND ALSO EXCEPTIONAL. BUT MOSTLY, I THINK WHAT WE LEARNED FROM CALIFORNIA IS THE TREMENDOUS INAPPROPRIATE POWER OF MONEY IN WHAT ARE SUPPOSE TO BE DEMOCRATIC LEAKS IN THE UNITED STATES. AND THIS IS, TRUE IN SOME KAY WAYS IN CANADA AS WELL BUT MUCH DARKER IF THE UNITED STATES. WHAT WE HAD IN CALIFORNIA WAS A RIGHT WING CONGRESSMAN PUTTING 1 HALF MILLION OF HIS OWN MONEY INTO AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN, INTO THE RECALL CAMPAIGN AND OF COURSE THOSE RECALL LAWS WERE MEANT TO RECALL A PUBLIC SERVICE INAPPROPRIATE IN CONDUCT, NOT SOMEONE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE AT THE MOMENT AND SO THAT KIND OF INFLUX EVER MONEY COMBINE WIDE TREMENDOUS DISSATISFYING WITH WHAT GRAY DAVIS OF DOING, RESULTED IN THIS SPECTACLE AND THE SPECTACLES HAVE A WAY OF GATHERING STEAM ON THEIR OWN.

Mary says RIGHT.

Joel says CANADA IS NOT IMMUNE TO IT. GO BACK TO KA AIDIAN IDOL AND THE WINNER, I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME, ENDORSED THE CANDIDATE FOR PROVINCIAL MINISTER AND THAT WAS... GOTTEN A LOT OF MEDIA ATENING AS WELL.

Mary says IS THERE ENOUGH POLITICS AND CIVICS THAT IS TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS IN THE US.

Joel says NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. IN FACT, A FRACTION, A TINY FRACTION, LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF ED KAING BUDGET IS DEVOTED TO CIVIC EDUCATION AND ALMOST HALF OF THAT AMOUNT GOES TO 1 PROGRAM, THAT IS IN SOME SOCIAL STUDY PROSPECTS IN SKPOOMENT THERE IS LITTLE SERVICE ON... ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PARTICIPATION, VOLUNTEERISM AND SERVICE ACTIVITIES, A LARGER FOCUS.

Mary says LET ME JUST END UP, DO YOU THINK THAT VOTER PARTICIPATION? IS THAT A FAIR MEASURE OF THE STRENGTH OF A DEMOCRACY?

Joel says NO, I THINK IT IS ONE MEASURE. AND BECAUSE VOTER PARTICIPATION IS SO LOW, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY IT'S A WARNING SIGN OF THE FAILING STRENGTH OF OUR DEMOCRACY. BUT IF VOTER PARTICIPATION WERE 100 PERCENT, I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS OUR DEMOCRACY IS NECESSARILY PERFECTLY HEALTHY, AND THE DISMATURATES WE'RE SEEING NOW IS A SIGN THAT SHING SHOULD CHANGE.

Mary says THANKS VERY MUCH, JOEL. THANKS FOR JOINING US FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF OTTAWA. ANY THOUGHT OS WHAT HE JUST TALKED ABOUT.

Taylor says AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER WHEN THEY DO COMPARISONS BETWEEN THOSE MEMBERS AND OUR VOTES MEMBERS, GREAT PRAINGS TO DOUBLE UP THE VOTES, I DIDN'T THINK IT IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE STUDYED IN TERMS OF REFLECTION OF PARTICIPATION. ALSO A DIFFERENT THING, GOES BACK TO, ANYONE CAN KNOW ABOUT CANADIAN IDOL, BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE THAT GIVES IT YOUR PERSPECTIVE WHEN YOU WATCH IT. BUT TO BUILD AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE POLICIES AND THE PLATFORMS AND THE ISSUES, YOU NEED TO KNOW FROM BACK THEN, WHERE THIS IS MORE. WHY THIS IS DIFFERENT.

Mary says KA NAD YAN IDOL IS INSTANT GRATIFICATION.

Taylor says BUT IT DOES SHOW THAT PEOPLE STILL LIKE TO HAVE THAT VOTE AND THAT VOICE. THEY USE IT WHEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE VOTING ON.

Mary says SO, I ASKED JOE ABOUT WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT IN THE STATES, WHAT ABOUT HERE? DID OUR KIDS GET ENOUGH OF TT UNDERSTANDING OF THE POLITICAL SYSTEM.

Wili says I THINK THEY GET MORE, MORE THAN IN THE UNITED STATES, THERE ARE TWO COURSES, GRADE 10 CIVIC COURSE AND A GRADE 11, CANADIAN POLITICS. WITHIN THOSE SCOPE, THEY COVER A HUGE RANGE BACK TO THE DPLASICS, NEW THE MAGNA CARTER, THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, THE PECANICS OF DPFT, THE PROCESS OF GOVERNMENT AND I MEAN, THESE COURSES KIND OF OVERLAP A BIT. AND SO THERE IS A LOLT OF STUFF THERE THAT THEY CAN POTENTIALLY COVER, HOW THAT PLAYS OUT IN A CLASSROOM IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT.

Mary says AND THAT'S IT, ISN'T IT? HOW IS IT TAUGHT? IS IT BORING OR IS IT EXCITING?

Wili says WELL, A LOT OF IT, A LOT OF IT IS THEORETICALLY BASED. A LOT OF THEORY THERE. BUT, OF COURSE, WE KNOW THAT MORE EXCITING LEARNING TAKES PLACE WHEN KIDS GET OUT AND DO STUFF, I THINK...

MARY SAYS JUST TAKE IN A SESSION AT THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. SOME DAYS THAT'S PRETTY WILD.

Wili says NOT LEARNING HOW TO BEHAVE.

Mary says DON'T BEHAVE LIKE THOSE PEOPLE, KIDS.

Wili says BUT THAT CAN BE VERY ED KAINGAL AND AN INTERESTING AWAKENING.

Mary says YOU CAN GO IN AND CHANGE THAT. YOU CAN GO IN AND DO A BETTER JOB EVEN.

Wili says SO THE FACT TAYLOR HAS THIS PROGRAM AND PROVIDES THAT TO HAVE TEACHER GOES THROUGH A PROCESS WITH THEIR KIDS AND PROVIDE RESOURS AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT IS NEEDED AND ALL OF THESE KIND OF THINS NEED MORE RESOURCES.

Mary says THE LET'S TAKE A CALL HERE. HI SHE'LL AMENT YOU ARE FROM TORONTO.

The caller says HELLO.

Mary says GED AHEAD.

The caller says A COUPLE OF THINGS HAVE COME TO MIND. I CAN'T RESIST IN RESPONSE TO TALK OF THE 60'S AS A POLITICAL GENERATION, AN INTERESTING PROCESS, THAT I REALLY THINK WAS ZUING 95 ANT AND FORMING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. BUT AS SOMEONE THAT HAS WATCHED OR OWN CHILD IN RECENT YEARS GRE UP AND BEING IN THE POLITICAL PRS. IED AND WITH THE AGE GROUPS YOU HAVE DISCUSSEDY FAR BUT URPD THE OPINION THAT ROOTS OF PARTICIPATION ARE IN THE VERY EARLIEST YEARS AND THAT'S THE EASY IEST AND THE MOST PRODUCTIVE WAY TO ENCOURAGE US ALL TO PARTICIPATE IN ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES WE'RE INVOLVED IN AND THIS CAN BE TAKEN TO EXTREMES AND THEN IT IS STUPID, I AM NOT SAYING I UNDERSTANDER CARTEN CHILDREN SHOULD BE VOITING ON THE HIRING OF NEXT THEIR NEXT TEACHER BUT I AM SAYING A TEACHER WHO IS REALLY SENSITIVE TO THE OPINIONS AND TO THE CON TRI BUG OF EACH OF HER STUDENTS, WHO KEEPS ALIVE A DISCUSSION IN THE CLASSROOM, AND ABOUT OUR NEXT FIELD TRIP, ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MATTER IN THE LIVE OF LINGT CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, THOSE CHILDREN GROW UP TO NATURALLY TAKE AN INTEREST AND CONTRIBUTE TO COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THEIR LIVES, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE BEST WAY TO REACH THEM.

Mary says THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, BEING INVOLVED AT YOUNG AGE.

Wili says YEAH.

Taylor says COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

Wili says YEAH, IT GETS BACK TO THE FACT, WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. UNDERPINNING ALL OF THE STUFF THAT KIDS LEARN IN SCHOOL, REALLY IS CITIZENSHIP AND THAT PART OF THE PROCESS IS NOT AND THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE WELL ROUNDED SITENS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.? LET'S TALK ABOUT YOU. YOU ARE TRYING TO GET KIDS INVOLVED.

Mary says I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE DID. WE'RE NOT MUCH OF AN ORGANIZATION, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.

Wili says THAT'S HOW IT STARTS.

Taylor says YEAH, THAT'S HOW IT IS. IN THE STRANGEST OF WAYS, WHAT WE DID THROUGH THE CHARITY PRO SINCE IAL LEAKS AND AN INITIATIVE A PROGRAM AIMING TO INSPIRE STUNS TO NOT ONLY LEARN ABOUT ADDRESS AND THE PLOT FORMS THE AND ACTUALLY, AND THE VOTE WHERE THOSE ARE VOTING BUT THEY'RE UNDER THE VOTING AGE, A COUPLE OF SECONDS AGO. AND BUILD THAT HABIT. SO THEY LEARNED ABOUT THE CANDIDATES, HELD CANDIDATE DEBATES AT THEIR SCHOOLS.

Mary says YOU WENT TO EACH SCHOOL?

The caption changes to "Today's topic: Getting kids to vote."

Taylor says NO, I DIDN'T. CANDIDATES FOR THE LOCAL RIDINGS CAME INTO THE SCHOOLS, IN 103 RIDINGS ACROSS THE PROVINCE THROUGH OUR LEARNING MATERIALS AND READING NEWSPAPERS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS, ALL LEADING UP TO ELECTION DAY, WE'RE ON LEAK DAY, THROUGH BALLOT BOX AND BALLOT, THAT WE PROVIDED, 335 THU THU ON GRANDS IN THEIR SCHOOL AND THE RULS WERE AND THE NEXT DAY AND ON TELEVISION THAT NEAT AND ALL STARTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND FROM THE FEEDBACK WE'RE GETTING NOW AND TEACH SKPERS STUDENTS BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY OUR NETWORK TO CARRY ON SKPRINGT IF PROGRAMS, FELT THAT ITS SUCH A GREAT WAY TO ENGAGE THE STUDENTS IN A REAL ACTIVITY

Mary says HOW OLD OF THESE GID KIDS?

Taylor says AS YOUNG AS AGE FIVE. SO THE NEXT GEN RAING OF VOTERS COMING UP. AND TALK ABOUT BUILDING THAT HABIT BEFORE THEY ARE WHAT WE. WE AND WITH THE OLDER STUDENTS, THEY'RE STILLING THERE AND HEARING A LOT FROM PARENTS, WE HAD GREAT STORIES FROM KIDS THAT TOOK THEIR PARENTS TO THE POLLS FOR THE FIRST TIME OR THEIR PARENTS WENT AND VOTED FOR THE FIRST TIME BECAUSE THE KIDS WERE SO OUTRAGES THEY WERE NOT GOING TO GO AND VOTE BECAUSE OF THE PROGRAM. WHEN'S INTERESTING IN OUR PROGRAM, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT DEMOCRACY OR OUR FORM OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, PERFECT OR THE ANSWER. BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ENGAGE STUDENTS IN A DISCUSSION OR JUST START A KFERINGDZ, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU THINK IT SUCKS, RIGHT. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT. HOW DOES IT CARRY ON. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO EVERYONE. DO WE NEED A WHOLE SHIFT IN OUR SYSTEM. OR IS IT WORK AS BEST AS WE IT.

Mary says I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THIS WHOLE CONCEPT.

Taylor says READ ABOUT IT IN A BOOK ACCIDENT THEY DO IT DIFFERENT LOO IN THE UNITED STATES AND STARTED TO EXPERIMENT WITH HOW IT COULD WORK HERE AND THEN ROLLED IT OUT.

Mary says WERE YOU A CHILD OR YOUNG PERSON THAT WAS VERY, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED IN POLITICS?

Taylor says NO. NO. NOT AT ALL.

Mary says WHAT HAPPENED.

Taylor says I THINK WHAT IT IS KP WHAT YOUR CALLER ELUDED TO BEFORE AND SHOULD TALK AT SOME POINT, I THINK THAT DEMOCRATIC PAR TIS PAING AND COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION ARE LINKED TOGETHER. I THINK IF WE LOSE AT THE BALLOT BOX, WE LOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY. IF YOU KNOW THE ISSUES AND READING WHETHER IT IS THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER, A BUNCH OF TOWN CRYERS HERE IN. AND YOUR REGIONAL DAILY NEWSPAPERS, MAYBE YOUR AND WHERE THEY THINK YOU CAN RELATE TO PRACTICE WITHIN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY. I HAVE A DAUGHTER THIS'S TWO HALF AND THE LOVE OF MY LIFE. SHE NEEDS A COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS WE DO. IF SHE GROWS AND BOTTOMS LIKE, REACHING OUT FOR POTENTIAL, I THINK PART OF THAT AND LIKE YOUR CALLER SAID BEFORE, SOCIETYING UNTIL IF PPL AND ONE FORM OF THIS PIE, BUT THE DUNT FURTHERMORE AND...

Wili says IT IS ALWAYS, AND ALWAYS PUZZLING AND AMAZING TO ME THAT THE VORN TURN OUT FOR MUNICIPAL LEAKS AS LOW AS IT IS. THE LOWEST OF 3 TEARS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

Mary says THAT DIRECTLY AFFECT THE PERSON.

Wili says ON A DAY-TO-DAY LEVEL AND LOCAL AND RIGHT IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

Taylor says AND YET, I THINK IT IS BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LINK BETWEEN THAT LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT AND OTHER DELVES AND NU MISPALE ELECTED TRUSTEES. AND A LOST STUDENTS ARE SAYING THAT'S AN INTERESTING LINK, HOW DO YOU KNOW A DIFFERENT TIME LINE OF ELECTIONS.

Mary says LET'S LET US TAKE ANOTHER CALL HERE. ANNA IS ON THE LINE FROM TORONTO. HOW ARE YOU?

The caller says I AM FINE. MY COMMENT IS THAT SIMPLY SHOULD THIS: IF PARENTS, IF CHILDREN WHOSE... IF IMMIGRANT PARENT... SORRY, IF CHILDREN HAVE IMMIGRANT PARENTS THAT DON'T HAVE KA NADIAN CITIZENSHIP, THEY CANNOT VOTE, I THINK THAT THAT'S A SCENARIO, THE CHILDREN, THEIR CHILDREN WILL BE DISCOURAGED FROM VOTING AS WELL. IF MY PARENTS HAD NOT VOTING, THEY'RE NOT CANADIAN CITIZENS, WHY SHOULD I VOTE. WHY SHOULD MY BROTHER VOTE, WHY SHOULD WE VOTE. WHY? THERE'S JUST, IT IS DISCOURAGING TO VOTE. IT'S A LOSS OF THE PARENTS AS WELL AS THE CHILDREN, HOW THEY VOTE. THEY DON'T PROVINCIALLY, THEY DON'T CARE. AND ALMOST AP ATHY THERE THAT EXISTS AND WHAT DO WE DO?

Mary says ACTUALLY, THAT BRINGS UP A LARGER KP TARGET FOR VOTER TURN OUT.

Taylor says AND ONE OF THE HIGHEST VOTER TURN OUT RATES, THOSE THAT HAVE COME IN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND AND WHO BOTTOM CITIZENS, IT'S THE LANDED IMMIGRANTS THAT ANNA IS SPEAKING ABOUT. AND WHAT WE THOUGHT VALUES AND FOT BE SELF FISH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING IS THAT YOU WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDENTS TO VOTE WHOSE PARENTS CAN'T, THROUGH THIS STUDENT ELECTION AND BRINGING THAT KNOWLEDGE HOME TO THEIR PARENTS.

Mary says SO, DID YOU SAY THAT, ACCORDING TO WHAT SURVEYS, AND THE THINGS THAT I HAVE READ. THE ETHNICALLY DIVERSE.

Taylor says RECENT IMMIGRANTS TO CANADA ARE MORE LIKELY TO VOTE THAN THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE.

Mary says ONTARIO OR CANADA WIDE.

Taylor says Canada wide.

Mary says THAT'S INTERESTING. I WAS UNDER ANOTHER IMPRESSION. IS THAT RIGHT?

Wili says I CAN BELIEVE THAT. BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU COME FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE MAYBE THE POLITICAL SYSTEMS ARE NOT AS DEMOCRATIC OR MAYBE NOT DEMOCRATIC AT ALL AND YOU EXPERIENCE THAT, THAT ABILITY TO EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE, FREELY, I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO, ONCE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO JUM ON IT. ASSUMING THERE ARE NOT OTHER BARRIERS LIKE LANGUAGE PROBLEMS AND SO ON.

Mary says THAT'S INTERESTING. SO, I GUESS I WOULD WONDER AS AN IMMIGRANT, TOO, WHETHER THE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE CAMPAIGNING OR THE POLICIES THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED BY CANDIDATES, RIGHT, AND ARE THEY ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO ME. AND IF YOU HAVE A POP LAINGDZ THAT IS SO ETHNICALLY DIVERSE. VERY DIFFICULT TO SPEAK TO THOSE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES.

Taylor says SURE.

Mary says IN A RELEVANT WAY.

Taylor says BUT, THAT'S WHAT... I TOOK, I THINK ALSO THERE'S SORT OF, IF I AM TRUE HE GOING TO BE A CANADIAN CITIZEN AND JUST BECAME A CITIZEN AND RAISED MY ARM AND THE PRAISE TO IDEA OF CANADA AND GOING TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL. SPOEDLY WHERE OUR DROP OFF AND TURN OUT IS WHERE THOSE IN CANADA FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

Wili says THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, TOO. THE VOTER TURN OUT RATES ARE A LITTLE BIS LEADING, A CERTAIN PROPORTION OF THE VOTING POPULATION THAT THEY DON'T CAPTURE, WHEN WE HAVE A NATIONAL RATE OF 60 OR 61 PERCENT RBLTION ACTUALLY CLOSER TO 50 OR 52 PERCENT BECAUSE OF THOSE WHO JUST AREN'T REGISTERED FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO IT IS ACTUALLY, SO THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE BIT DECEIVING AND THE SPECTACLE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT WORSE THAN THEY ACTUALLY SHOW. SO IT'S NOT, THE TRENDS LOOK THAT GOOD.

Mary says OKAY. LET'S HEAR FROM TIM, NOW WHO IS CALLING. HI. HI, HOW ARE YOU? ARE YOU A VOTER?

The caller says TO ACTUAL THE TRUTH, I HAVE NEVER VOTED MYSELF PERSONALLY EVER.

Mary says HOW OLD ARE YOU?

The caller says I AM 38.

Mary says SHAME ON YOU. WHY?

The caller says WELL, IT IS A MATTER OF VOTING FOR PETES OR REPEATS. NEITHER ONE OF THEM SEEMS TO STAND OUT. THERE IS ALL KINDS OF STORIES AND FOR THEIR PARTY PLATFORMS, THEY'RE GOING FORTH WITH, THEY DON'T EXACTLY BACK THEM UP. AND THERE'S A LOT OF POL TIINGS HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF, OF SAYING THINGS TO GET THEMSELVES VOTED INTO OFFICE AND THEN WHEN THEY FINALLY GET THERE, NOTHING IS DONE OR IT EX-ENDS UP ON THE BACK BURNER, WHENEVER IT IS THEY WERE PLANNING ON DOING. AND THAT'S JUST THE MAIN REASON WHY, I HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY VOTED.

Mary says OKAY. SO, YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT?

The caller says I HAVE CHECKED OUT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE RUNINGS IN THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY WHERE I LIVE AND IT IS... IT IS ALMOST LIKE THERE'S, YOU ELUDED TO IT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT THE LINES BEING BLURRED. THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. THEY'LL ALL PROFESS, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL DO THIS ABOUT THIS AND THAT AND ABOUT THAT BUT, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT IT ACTUALLY COMES TO FRUITION IN THE END.

Mary says OKAY.

Wili says MATTER OF PATIENCE, I THINK. I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT, SAY THE GREEN PARTY AND COMPARE THEM TO THE PROVINCIAL CONSERVATIVES, A HUGE, HUGE DIFFERENCE THERE IN TEPS OF THEIR OUTLOOK AND SO ON.

Mary says LET ME ASK YOU, THIS INTRIGUES ME. HE SOUNDS LIE LIKE A SMART GUY, RESEARCHED BUT SAYS IN THE END, THOSE ARE MY REASONS FOR NOT VOTING. HOW DO YOU CONVINCE SOMEONE LIKE HIM TO VOTE, IT IS NOT OUT OF IGNORE ANS. T IS NOT OUT OF IGNORE ANS, A CHOICE, AN EDUCATED CHOICE.

Wili says I THINK HE CAN EXERCISE THAT CHOICE IN OTHER WAYS.

Taylor says THE PROBLEM WITH TIM NOT VOTING IT SHOWS TO THE PUBLIC THAT TIM MAY NOT BE RESEARCHED, MAY NOT CARE. MAY BE THE TYPICAL CYNICAL PERSON, IF HE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE A STAND, HE WOULD GO TO THE BALLOT BOX BUT HE WOULD DECLINE HIS BALLOT OR HE WOULD SPOIL HIS BALLOT, ALTHOUGH SPOIL STILL MAKES PEOPLE KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO VOTE. I WOULD SUGGEST.

Mary says IS TIM THERE? TIM, ARE YOU STILL THERE?

The caller says STILL HERE.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT THAT OPTION? HAVE YOU DONE THAT? WELL... I AM SORRY, I AM PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT TODAY.

Wili says YOU HAVE TO FIND THE BALLOT BOX FIRST IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

The caller says I AM FULLY AWARE OF WHERE THE BALLOT BOX IS. ONCE AGAIN, NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO CONVINCE ME TO VOTE FOR ONE OR THE OTHER. ACTUALLY, ANOTHER POINT I WANTED TO GET TO, NOWADAYS, ANOTHER POINT YOU ALSO ELUDED TO, INSTANT GRATIFICATION. PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR PEOPLE AND THEY WANT THEM TO GO IN AND WHATEVER THE PARTY PLATFORM WAS THAT THEY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T HAPPEN. AND IT IS ALMOST LIKE, LIKE I SAID, JUST GETS PUSHED TO THE BARK BURNY, THE EDUCATION PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, A BIG DEAL TO DEAL WITH. AND THE...

Mary says SORRY? WE LOST HIM. OH, DEAR WE LOST HIM.

Wili says TOO BAD.

Taylor says HE WENT TO VOTE.

Mary says YOU GOT HIM GOING, I GUESS. BUT, ANY COMMENT ABOUT WHAT HE'S BEEN SAYING?

Wili says WELL, YOU KNOW, I OBVIOUSLY HEAR THAT OF COURSE. YOU ARE RIGHT. IT DOES SOUND LIKE AN INTELLIGENT GUY. I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE THAT WITHIN THE RANGE OF PARTIES AND PROGRAMS AND POLICIES THAT ARE OUT THERE, HE CAN'T FIND SOMEBODY HE CAN RELATE TO. ONE OF THE THINS HE DOES TALK ABOUT. TALK ABOUT INSTANT GRATIFICATION AND SO ON. AND THIS KIND OF RELATES TO THE MEDIA AND, ITS INFLUENCE, BUT, I THINK THAT SUBSTANTIVE PROGRAMS THAT REALLY HAVE A LONG-TERM, LONG LASTING EFFECT TAKE A LONGER TIME TO BE I. ELEMENTED AND LONGER TIME TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THAT AND SO, PEOPLE, THEN HAVE THE FEELING THAT BECAUSE A MANDATE HAS COME AND GONE, CERTAIN THINGS HAVEN'T HAPPENED, THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.

Mary says LET ME PRESENT THE SITUATION, THE REVERSE OF TIM, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE SOMEBODY AND MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY, WHO JUST AREN'T EDUCATED AT ALL, ABOUT THE ISSUES OUT THERE, AND THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW THE CANDIDATES ARE. SHOULD THEY VOTE?

Taylor says WELL, IT IS INTERESTING PAUSE, THERE'S NOT AN ELIGIBLITY REQUIRE. WITHIN OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.

Wili says A LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE.

Taylor says AND THE THING YOU NEED TO ANSWER, TOO, PROBABLY HAVE BEEN POINTS IN HISTORY AND NOT THE HIS TOREIAN TO GIVE YOU THIS. PEOPLE MAY HAVE VOTED WITHOUT KNOWING ANYONE BUT BECAUSE OF LOOKING BACK WITH 20-20 VISION, YOU COULD SAY THAT PERSON WAS THE BEST PERSON TO BE IN THE POSITION. AND I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR THAT WE START TO CREATE VISIBLEITY REQUIRE.S WHEN PEOPLE VOTE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, YOU MAY VOTE EMOINGALLY. I CONNECT. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PLATFORM BUT IN THE RACE, THE RECENT PROVINCIAL ELECTION. YOU THOUGHT THAT PERSON, FROM WHAT YOU COULD FEEL THROUGH THE MEDIA AND TELEVISION WAS THE PERSON YOU WANTED TO SIDE WITH. BUT WHY IS THAT A BETTER WAY OR A WORSE WAY TO VOTE THAN SOMEONE WHOLS KNOWS ALL OF THE POLICYS AND ISSUES. WE WOULD ALL DESIRE SOMEONE HAS AN UNDERSTANDING BUT DO WE WANT TO LIMIT PEOPLE PARTICIPATION BECAUSE THEY...

Wili says AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PRINCIPALS OF DEMOCRACY.

Mary says BUT LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET PEOPLE OUT VOTING? THERE'S ALWAYS, I GUESS COMPULSORY VOTING.

Wili says YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT IS A BODY IDEA. AND YOU CAN'T GET YOUR LICENSE RENEWED UNLESS YOU GO OUT AND VOTE. AND IT IS THE APPROACH. IT IS NOT A SUBSTANTIVE SOLUTION. AND BUT I CONTINUING GETS BACK TO THE IDEA OF IB SPEIERING SDP...

Mary says NOT DEMOCRATIC, RIGHT.

Taylor says NO. AND AND THE PROGRAM AND THEN WHAT WE SPOKE ABOUT AND FOCUS ON THE STRONG CIVIC STREAK. AND NOT ONLY A CURRICULUM BUT REALLY, A LEADERSHIP WITHIN OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM, AND AT ALL LEVELS THAT SUPPORTS STUDENTS AND THEIR TEACHERS AND SCHOOLS AND THE SCHOOL BOARDS, GUARANTEEING THAT THERE'S AN EMPHASIS PUT ON AN ACTIVE CITIZENSHIP AND I THINK A LOT OF START TO SPEAK TO OUR STUDENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY NEIL CAN BE DONE IN REGARDS TO THIS AND GET THEIR VOTES OUT AT THE SAME TIME.

Mary says GREAT DISCUSSION. THANKS FOR COMING IN. THE CHIEF ELECTION OFFICER OF KIDS VOTING CANADA. AND OUR RESIDENT EDUCATION COLUMNIST AND THE PUBLISHER OF MY COMMITMENT TO CAN DAMENT HE'S ALSO THE PUBLISHER AND EDITOR OF TEACH MAGAZINE. YOU CAN ACCESS TEACH MAGAZINE....

A picture of one edition of Teach Mag appears on screen with the caption "www.teachmag.com."

Mary says AND FOR ALL OF YOU YOUNGER CITIZENS, KIDS VOTING CANADA CAN BE FOUND ON LINE...

A slate reads "Kids Voting Canada, www.kidsvotingcanada.com, 1-866-488-8775."

Mary says THAT MADE IT TO AIR WILL RECEIVE A COPE OF MY COMMITMENT TO CANADA. READ IT KP THEN GET OUT THERE AND EXERCISE YOUR FRANCHISE. MAYBE ONE REASON YOUNG PEOPLE DON'T VOTE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BUSY. ADULTS MIGHT THINK MOST KIDS HANG OUT AT THE MALL BUT THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY THE CASE. TVO PLANET PARENT GAVE A CAMERA TO 16 YEAR OLD SARA TO CHECK OUT ONE TEENAGER'S SCHEDULE AND HERE IS HER VIDEO DIARY.

A clip plays.

As music plays, a montage shows Sara handling a camcorder. She has long brown hair.

A female announcer says THIS FAMILY IS MADE UP OF MADIN, AND SSARON, THE 16 YEAR OLD BABY OF THE FAM.

A caption reads "Medhin Gebresellasi. Mom."

Medhin is in her forties, with short black hair.

The caption changes to "Ghebrelul Gebresellassi. Dad."

The announcer says SHE'S MADE IT HER MISSION TO CROWD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE INTO EACH DAY.

As fast clips flash by showing Sara performing different activities, the announcer says SHE GOES TO SCHOOL, PLAYS THE FLUTE, TUTORS FRENCH, COLLECTS RECYCLED GOODS, GOES TO COOP PROGRAMS TWICE WEEKLY. HOSTS A RADIO SHOW. AND FUND RAISES FOR MANY EVENTS. SHE'S ALSO A TOPNOTCH STUDENT, HER SCHEDULE IS STRESSING HER OUT.

Facing the camera,
Sara says ys I AM SO NERVOUS. SO NOT REALLY READY AND I DON'T WANT TO WRITE IT. HONESTLY, NO JOKE, THE ALL I CAN THINK ABOUT WAS MY BIO TEST.

Inside a classroom she says IT'S 10 TO 12, WE ARE CRAMMING, ACTUALLY CRAMMING FOR THE BIO TEST COMING UP NEXT PERIOD AM.
A LOT OF ADULTS DON'T REALIZE IT, THEY NEVER KNEW THAT TEENS HAD STRESS UNTIL THEY MEET MET ME. THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOUNG PEOPLE GO THROUGH.

Ghebrelul says SARON IS A BUSY GIRL BECAUSE SHE GETS UP EARLY, MOST ALL OF THE TIME AND ALSO SHE WORKS PART TIME AND THEN HAS TO STUDY AND STAY LATE UNTIL 11, 12, SOMETIMES UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK. SO, VERY BUSY.

g says IT IS ABOUT 5 P.M. I AM AT THE OLD FOLK'S HOME. WE'LL PLAY CARDS AFTER. NO ONE PLAYS SNOOCHL WE'LL PLAY CARDS.
IT'S 8:10. I JUST GOT BACK FROM THE SENIOR CITIZENS... THE OLD FOLK'S HOME. THE SENIOR CITIZENS CENTRE. SO I'M HOME. HOME SWEET HOME. AND I HAVE MATH HOME WORK AND AN ENINGISH ESSAY AND HOME WORK FOR CO-OP. SHAPE YOUR FUTURE. SO I HAVE TO WORK ON THAT RIGHT NOW. IT IS 8:10. IF I START NOUGHT, I SHOULD BE DONE BY 10:30. I AM GUESSING.

Medhin says I CALL FROM HOME. DID YOU EAT BREAKFAST? DID YOU EAT LUNCH? SHE... OH, LEAVE ME MAMA, I DON'T, I KNOW HOW TO EAT. THAT IS A LITTLE BIT STRESS FOR PEE AND STRESS FOR HERSELF. AND NOT GOING TO BE HOME UNTIL 11 P.M.

Addressing Sara, she says DON'T FORGET, YOU HAVE TO CALL ME.

g says YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING TO BE.

Medhin says YOU SHOULD CALL ME. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL 12 O'CLOCK.

g says SO CALL ON A PAY PHONE TO TELL YOU I'M COMING.
MY PARENTS UNDERSTAND THE STRESS LEVEL AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ALWAYS ASKING ME THE QUESTIONS, THEY'RE SUPPOSE TO BE HELPING... LIKE REALLY WHEN THEY ASK MEET QUESTIONS, DID YOU EAT AND ALL THAT? IT IS MORE FOR THEIR OWN COMFORT, IS EVERYTHING OKAY? BUT NOT... BUT THEY HAVE TO REALIZE IT DOESN'T HELP ME. DID YOU SNEET IF I DIDN'T, YOU ARE ASKING ME, IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING? NO.

At school, she says GOING TO MY LOCKER. I HAVE TO GO TUTOR MY LITTLE TUTORING GIRL. GOING TO MEET ME AT THE LIBRARY. IT IS 4:35, I JUST GOT TO THE LIBRARY BUT KAITLYN MUST HAVE LEFT ALREADY BECAUSE I'M OVER HALF AN HOUR LATE. SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO DO HERE. I AM GOING TO HAVE TO HEAD OFF STRAIGHT TO CO-OP AT ROGERS AND IT WILL TAKE ME AN HOUR ON THE BUS AT LATEST TO GET THERE.
I THINK I HAVE TOO MUCH RIGHT NOW BUT IF I REALLY WANTED TO, I COULD CUT IT DOWN BUT I DON'T WANT TO CUT IT DOWN. IT'S TOO MUCH BUT THAT'S OKAY. I AM ENJOYING MYSELF.

Medhin says SHE MAKES ME PROUD BUT TOO MUCH STRESS. SOMETIMES I SEE THE VEIN AROUND HERE, THE FACE. TOO MUCH.

As she steps into a filming set,
Sara says ys HI, I JUST GT HERE. IT TOOK ME OVER AN HOUR AND A HALF, FOUR BUS, SO THIS IS WHERE I DO MY CO-OP PLACEMENT. I COME HERE TWICE A WEEK AND I'M GOING TO BE HERE UNTIL 10:30 AND NOT GET HOME UNTIL 11:30 OR 12. EVERY NOW KP THEN, I WILL DO CAMERA 2 AND PHONES TO PUT PEOPLE LIVE ON AIR.
EVERYONE'S IN THE STUDIO RIGHT NOW. I'M UPSET OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY MY SUPERVISOR I AM NOT FOCUSED ENOUGH ON THE JOB AND I WAS KIND OF FORMALLY SAID, I THINK HEED SOMETHING LIKE WHEN I'M ON THE PHONE I NEED TO BE MORE PRO FEINGAL OR... I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WAS WRONG. BASICALLY, PRETTY VAGUE, SO I WASN'T REALLY SURE LIKE WHAT HE MEANT WHEN HE SAID THAT.

As fast clips show Sara performing dozens of activities, she says IT'S MY OWN FAULT. SOMETIMES I COMMIT TO MANY THINGS, KNOWING I CAN'T BUT SAY OKAY ANYHOW. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BIG STRESS FACTOR, I HAVE A HARD TIME SAYING NO AND IT JUST MAKES, IT LEAVES ME TO HAVING TO FULFILL ALL OF THESE COMMITMENTS I MADE THAT SOMETIMES I REALLY CAN'T KEEP. AS MUCH AS I DO ENJOY IT. IT'S NOT FOR ME ALL OF THE TIME, NOT FOR PEOPLE I COMMIT TO.

Ghebrelul says SHE HAS BEEN LIKE THIS EVER SINCE SHE STARTED SCHOOL. SHE WAS BUSY FROM THE BEGINNING. IT IS NOT A NEW THING.

Inside a radio studio,
Sara says ys YOU ARE TUNING IN TO CHICKS SPEAK RADIO ON CITU 89.5 WITH YOUR HOSTS SARON AND ANITA.


Sara says ys WHAT I AM WORKING AGAIN AT THE PROGRAM AT UNIVERSITY THAT I WANT IS A, TO MAKE SURE MAY MARKS UP. THEY DO. I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AT ALL AND MAKE SURE I HAVE THE FUNDS BECAUSE, THAT IS AN ISSUE. I AM ALSO REALLY, REALLY CHEAP WITH MY MONEY SO I DON'T SPEND A LOT AND MAKING SURE THAT I HAVE ALL OF THE EXPERIENCE AND THE CRITERIA, THEY WANT, WHICH I THINK I DO, TOO. I HAVE LOTS OF RESPONSE, THAT'S WHY I'M ALWAYS OUT THERE, SO I CAN GET THAT EXPERIENCE. SO MAYBE ONE DAY. I'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOUR TV SCREEN. WHO KNOWS? BYE BYE.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Mary says AND PLANET PARENT SEEN EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT 7:30 HERE ON TVO.

Now music plays as an animated slate reads "More to courage."

Mary says SHE EXPOSED A LINK BETWEEN A CANADIAN OIL COMPANY AND THE BRUTAL TREATMENT OF CITIZENS IN SUDAN. SHE HELPED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS GET BACK HOMES AFTER ETHNIC CLEANSING IN BOZY KNEE A. AND NOW SHE'S BOTTOM THE ONLY WOMAN AND THE YOUNGEST PERSON TO EVER RECEIVE THIS KA MAIDIAN AWARD IN HUMAN RIGHTS. LAWYER HAS A PROFOUND COMMITMENT TO HELPING THOSE WHO ARE VOICELESS. AND TODAY SHE OUR MORE TO COURAGE PRO FILL.

Georgette is in her forties, with chin-length brown hair and side-swept bangs. She's wearing a black suit and a red shirt.

Mary says HELLO. THANK YOU FOR COMING?. NOW WHAT DID YOU DO TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD THE WALTER...

The caption changes to "Georgette Gagnon. Human Rights Lawyer."

Georgette says A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE FIRST WAS THE WORK IN BOSNIA. AND THERE I WAS CALLED THE HEAD OF HUMAN RIGHTS FOR A LARGE INTL MISSION. AND OUR MAIN FOCUS WAS TO HELP REFUGEES AND DISPLACED PERSONS WHO HAD LOST THEIR HOMES DURING THE WAR GET THEIR HOMES BACK AND ULTIMATELY RETURN TO THEIR HOMES.

Mary says THIS IS THE FALLOUT, THAT HAPPENS AFTER WAR THAT WE BACK HERE, HEAR VERY LITTLE ABOUT.

Georgette says THAT'S RIGHT. THE WARS, YOU KNOW, WAS FROM 92 TO 95 AND ABOUT 250,000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED. AND 2 MILLION PEOPLE WERE MADE REFUGEES OR DISPLACED PERSONS, SO, FOLLOWING THE WAR AND THE PEACE AGREEMENT, ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THAT WAS THAT PEOPLE WERE TO BE RETURNED TO THEIR HOMES AND GET THEIR PROPERTY BACK. SO WE, FACILITATED THAT. AND...

Mary says HOW MANY DID YOU HAVE?

Georgette says THERE WERE ABOUT 233,000 CLAIMS, THESE WOULD HAVE BEEN FAMILIES CLAIMING FOR REPOSSESSION OF THEIR PREWAR HOMES. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT AFTER ALMOST 8 YEARS, SINCE THE WAR ENDED, ALMOST ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE GOT THEIR PROPERTY BACK. SO THIS ACTUALLY...

Mary says ALMOST ALL? BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, ALL WILL HAVE THEIR PROPERTY BACK. IT MUST BE SO INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED.

Georgette says YES. TOTALLY.

Mary says THINGS BEING LOST, NOT EVEN JUST TO MENTION DOCUMENTATION AND EKT. PEOPLE LIVING IN YOUR HOME. WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT DO YOU DO THEN?

Georgette says THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY PROBLEMS. DURING THE WAR, OTHERS MOVED IN TO HOMES WHERE PEOPLE HAD FLED OR WERE ETHNICALLY CLEANSED. SO PART OF THE WHOLE PROCESS TOFS ENSURE THOSE PEOPLE IN THE HOMES THAT GT THEM DURING THE WAR HAD SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GO. SOME OF THEM HAD THEIR OWN PROPERTY, SOME OF THEM WERE ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING THE PROPERTY. SO, THOSE PEOPLE HAD TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, MANY WERE EVICTED AND THEN THE LEGAL OWNER WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO RETURN.

Mary says A DOMINO EFFECT.

Georgette says PRETTY MUCH.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER WORK YOU DID IN THE SUDAN?

Georgette says THAT WORK INVOLVED A COUPLE OF THINGS, PRIMARILY, LOOKING AT, AS YOU INDICATED IN YOUR INTRUK, THE LINKS BETWEEN CANADIAN RURAL DEVELOPMENT IN SUDAN AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIE LAYINGS AND SECONDLY, I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE ISSUE OF SLAVERY KP ABDUCTION IN SUDAN FOR A FEW YEARS AS WELL.

Mary says SO WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DID YOU FIND OUT WITH YOUR WORK THERE?

Georgette says THE OIL DEVELOPMENTS STARTED IN 1999, ACTUAL HEY, I WAS APPOINTED TO THE COMMISSION BY LLOYD AXWORTHY WHO WAS THEN, OF COURSE, FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER. WE WERE ASKED TO INVESTIGATE THE LINK BETWEEN THE ACTIVITIES OF A CANADIAN OIL COMPANY AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS, IN PARTICULAR, FORCED DISPLACEMENT OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FROM THE OIL-PRODUCING REGION AM NOW YOU MUST KNOW THAT SUDAN ALSO IS IN THE MIDST OF NOW A 20 YEAR CIVIL WAR.

Mary says WE NEVER HEAR ABOUT.

Georgette says YEAH. SO, THIS TEAM WENT, IT WAS LEAD BY JOHN HARKER AND WE CONCLUDED THAT, IN FACT, CANADIAN OIL DEVELOPMENT WAS KPASER BAITING THE CIVIL CONFLICT THERE AND WAS CONTRIBUTING TO HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. AND WAS FORCED DISPLACEMENT.

Mary says KNOWINGLY.

Georgette says KNOWINGLY. WELL, KNOWINGLY CERTAINLY BY THE GOVERNMENT FORCES WHO PROVIDED SECURITY FOR THE OIL COMPANIES OPERATIONS. THE OIL PRODUCING ZONE WAS IN, IN A CONFLICT ZONE, IT WAS CONTESTED BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AND THE REBEL FORCES. AND THEN THIS IS AUFERN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN COMPANIES OPERATE IN A WAR ZONE, THEY GET INVOLVED IN THE WAR, WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT, WHETHER THEY WANT TO OR NOT. AND NOW THIS COMPANY TELLS WAS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNMENT WAS IN A WAR AGAINST SOUTHERN BASED REBEL FORCES AND HAD BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. AND, THE WAR WAS ABOUT MANY THINGS BUT BECAME ABOUT OIL and AS THE FOREIGN COMPANIES CAME IN AND GOT THE OIL PRODUCTION ON STREAM. THE GOVERNMENT OF SUDAN WAS ABLE TO, OF COURSE, BUY MORE WEAPONS WITH THE REVENUE AND TO ENSURE THAT THESE OIL PRODUCING AREAS WERE SAFE FOR OIL DEVELOPMENT, A COUPLE OF OTHER COMPANYS TO GO IN FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, CHINA AND MALA SIA. HAD TO CLEAR THOSE AREAS OF PEOPLE. THE GOVERNMENT FELT WERE ENEMIES OR WERE SUPPORTING THE SOUTHERN BASED REN ELS. THEY DID THAT THROUGH VIOLENT DISPLACEMENT.

Mary says WELL, VIL ANLS RN WERE BURNED.

Georgette says AND YEAH, AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF, ATTACKING, CIVILIANS WITH HELICOPTER GUN SHIPS, ALL VIOLATIONS OF WHAT WE CALL THE LAWS OF WAR.

Mary says WHAT HAPPENED TO TALISMAN.

Georgette says SPENT, WELL, NOTHING MUCH, REALLY. SPENT FIVE YEARS FROM 98 TO 2002.ED AND IT SOLD ITS INVESTMENT THERE IN 2002 TO INDIA STATE OWNED OIL COMPANY, IT HAS NOT FACE KBD SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES IN CANADA BUT IT HAS BEEN SUED IN THE US UNDER SOMETHING CALLED THE CLAIMS ACT. SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT THIS WAS A GREAT SORT OF, SUCCESS FOR HUMAN RIGHTS CAMPAIGNERS, BECAUSE REALLY GONE AFTER BY MANY, MANY ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE WORLD. AND IT, SHARES WERE TRADED AT SLIGHT DISCOUNT, THE SUDAN DISCOUNT. AND MANY THINK THAT IT SORT OF GT FED UP WITH THAT. AND DECIDED TO SELL ITS INVESTMENT, IN OUR VIEW, OF COURSE, IT SOLD FOR A GOOD PROFIT, IT IS NOT THAT IT LOST MONEY IN SUDAN. ALL OF THE SHAREHOLDERS MADE MONEY. IT ALSO NEVER ADMITTED ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY PART WHETHER, YOU KNOW, INDIRECT OR NOT IN THESE MASSIVE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.

Mary says WHAT...

Georgette says THAT'S QUITE A...

Mary says WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOU AND HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR WORK?

Georgette says WELL THE WHOLE SITUATION WAS, FOR ME SKPRX OF COURSE MANY OTHERS, IN CANADA, THERE WERE ABOUT 25 NONGOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZES, VERY ACTIVE IN TRYING TO GET THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION OF A CANADIAN OIL COMPANY, PARTICIPATING IN THIS SORT OF SITUATION. FOR ME, IT MADE ME VERY ANGRY. BECAUSE, THERE WERE CANADIAN PENSION FUNDS THAT WERE INVISITORS.

Mary says I AM SURE. ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE HOLDING MUTUAL FUNDS AND DON'T REALIZE THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THIS.

Georgette says AND THEY DENT REALIZE IT AND THEY ALSO DON'T... THESE PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT, DON'T TBL FOR WHATEVER REASON, EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS REALLY VERY HIGHLY PUBLICIZED. TALISMAN ALSO MOUNTED A VERY GOOD CAMPAIGN DISCREDITING THE FINDINGS OF A NUMBER OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS. AND SAYING THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY A FORCE FOR GOOD WHEN IT WAS NOT. IT WAS CLEARLY FOR NOT.

Mary says AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, THAT THEY GOT OFF RELATIVELY EASY, RIGHT, FOR THAT. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THEN ABOUT OTHER COMPANIES?

Georgette says THAT OF COURSE IS THE KEY QUESTION, AND, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF US THAT ARE, HAVE PREPARED A PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE PUT IN FRONT OF THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, SUGGESTING THAT THE ACTIVITIES OF COMPANIES IN WAR ZONES, PARTICULARLY IN RELATION TO HUMAN RIGHTS SHOULD BE REGULATED BY WHAT WE CALL THE HOME STATE, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, TIN THE CASE OF CANADA, THAT THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT SHOULD REGULATE ITS ACTIVITIES IN A COUNTRY WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ACTIVE WAR. TO ENSURE THAT THE COMPANY IS NOT COMPLICEITY IN HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. AND WE HAVE PROPOSED A MODEL FOR THIS. AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY GIVEN IT TO FERK THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY SKNT WANT THIS. MAY OPERATE PRETTY MUCH WITH IMMUNE SKPIT DO NOT WANT TO BE REGULATED IN THAT WAY. HOWEVER, FERK, IN CANADA, THERE'S NO WAY A COMPANY BEING DO THAT. WHY SHOULD A COMPANY BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT IS OPERATING IN SUDAN OR SOME PLACE WHERE THE LOCAL LAWS DON'T ADDRESS THE SITUATION. OR THERE IS A WAR.

Mary says IT IS INTERESTING, WE JUST MENTION THAT NOBODY HERE KNOWS ABOUT THAT CIVIL WAR IN SUDAN OR THE UP TEENTH OTHER WARS.

Georgette says AND CONGO IS ANOTHER ONE.

Mary says RIGHT. DO WE STILL HEAR MUCH ABOUT SIERRA LEON. FOR AWHILE IT WAS IN THE PAPER AND DRIFTS IN AND DRIFTS OUT. WHAT ABOUT PRESENT DAY CONFLICT? HOW MUCH ARE WE TOTALLY UNAWARE OF?

Georgette says QUITE A BIT. I RECENTLY HEARD A STATISTIC, ABOUT 40 ACTIVE CONFLICTS.

Mary says 40.

Georgette says IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW AND FERK WE KNOW ABOUT THE MAJOR ONES, IRAQ. AFGHANISTAN. LIBERIA. ALTHOUGH, IT IS NOW, SORT OF WHAT, IN THE PR ZS OF POST CONFLICT, RECONSTRUCTION.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT COLOMBIA?

Georgette says COLOMBIA, HEAR A LOT ABOUT IT BUT, AGAIN, THERE'S.. THAT'S ONE OF THOSE CONFLICT WRS NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW HOW TO END IT. AND BUT, ACTUALLY, THERE IS QUITE A LOT OF ATENING IN CANADA BY NONGOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZES AND OTHERS ON COLOMBIA.

Mary says EXCUSE ME. YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, RIGHT, AND YOU WANT THEM TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT SUDAN. AND IS IT BECAUSE IT IS NOT TOP OF THE MIND IN CITIZENS.

Georgette says SLAUTLY. YOU HAVE GT IT. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY IT. WHEN WE WERE, WORKING VERY HARD TO GET THE GOVERNMENT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT TALISMEN, WE WERE TOLD VERY CLEARLY. LOOK, MY CONSTITUENTS, THE PEOPLE IN MY RIDING, THEY DON'T WRITE ME LEERS ABOUT THIS. I AM NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. PR WHERE'S THE PRESSURE COMING FROM? THERE IS A SUBCOMMITTEE EE OF THE PARLIAMENTARY COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS THAT IS... DID DO A SET OF HEARINGS KP HOPEFULLY THOSE WILL CONTINUE. BUT, AGAIN, I MEAN, I URGE PEOPLE TO WRITE IN TO GO SEE THEIR MP'S ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE ACTION ON THESE SORTS OF ISSUES.

Mary says ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THE WORLD IS GOING, RIGHT, I MEAN HOW MUCH WATER DOES THAT ARGUMENT REALLY HOLD? OH, BUT THAT'S HAPPENING WAY OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD. REALLY? I MEAN, AZTECH NOLING, RIGHT, AS PROGRESS GOES ON. THAT'S NOT A REALLY EXCUSE ANY MORE.

Georgette says NOT ANY MORE. LOOK, WE HAVE GT, I MEAN, COMPANIES ARE OPERATING EVERYWHERE FOR EXAMPLE. SO YOU'RE INVESTMENT --URE INVESTMENT IMPACTS ON PEOPLE IN, YOU KNOW, AN AFRICAN COUNTRY REAR OWE MALA SIA OR WHEREVER THE CANADIAN COMPANY IS OPERATING.

Mary says HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU SPEND AWAY?

Georgette says A LOT.

Mary says A BIG CHUNK OF TIME?

Georgette says YEAH, A BIG CHUNK OF TIME. THE WORK IN BOSNIA WAS TWO HALF YEARS.

Mary says ARE YOU MARRIED? DOES YOUR HUSBAND GO WITH YOU?

Georgette says INITIALLY, WE DID BACK AND FORTH. THIS WAS IN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS WORKS I HAD DONE BUT FOR THE LAST WORK IN BOSNIA, HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE WITH ME. AND HE DID, END UP GETTING SOME WORK THERE AND IN BULGARIA AS WELL. BUT FOR AWHILE, I WAS DOING THE WORLD'S LONGEST COMMUTE FROM SARAJEVO TO TORONTO.

Mary says WELL, THAT'S GOT TO BE TOUGH. NOT TO MENING AND EVEN JUST THE WORRY WHEN HE'S NOT THERE, ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO YOU.

Georgette says I THINK IT IS WORRYING ALSO FOR MY FAMILY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY COM PLETLY SUPPORT MY WORK AND WHAT I WANT TO DO AND FACILITATE THAT. I AM VERY, VERY LUCKY IN THAT RESPECT.

Mary says THEN SPEND TWOING HALF YEARS AWAY. COMING BACK TO ONTARIO, THAT'S GOT TO BE A SHOCK, TOO.

Georgette says WELL, THE BOSNIA-TORONTO SORT OF THING IS NOT, IS NOT THAT MUCH OF A CULTURE SHOCK. BECAUSE, BOSNIA IS REALLY SORT OF ON ITS WAY TO...

Mary says WHEN YOU WERE.

Georgette says SORT OF NORMAL SEE. SUDAN WAS QUITE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT IS IN THE SOUTH AND ALSO, IN VARIOUS PLACES IN THE NORTH, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, NOT ONE SHRED OF INFRASTRUCTURE, NO ELECTRICITY, I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. SO, AND, OF COURSE, IT IS VERY DANGEROUS. SO, WHEN YOU COME BACK, YES RBLTION IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.

Mary says HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT DANGER?

Georgette says THE DANGER IS, AS I WOULD SAY, YOU, YOU HAVE TO ASSESS IT, YOU CAN TAKE RISKS BUT NOT STUPID RISKS. AND ALSO, MY VIEW IS, IF YOU ARE AFRAID OF GOING AND AFRAID OF GOING OUT TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHOSE RIGHTS, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN VIOLATED, WHO ARE WAR AFFECTED, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE GOING.

Mary says HOW LONG WILL YOU CONTINUE THIS WORK?

Georgette says PROBABLY DO IT FOREVER. AS LONG AS I CAN.

Mary says CONGRATULATIONS.

Georgette says THANKS VERY MUCH.

Mary says FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK AND WINNING THAT AWARD. BEST OF LUCK. SHE IS A HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYER AND FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW YOU CAN HELP, YOU CAN visit...

A slate reads "Amnesty International, www.amnesty.org."

Mary says But that is it for our show today. Hope you enjoyed it, and please join us each weekday, Monday to Friday, for More to Life at 1 o'clock.

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