Transcript: Kids Books, Aboriginal Experience | Jun 26, 2003

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A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Life. Words spin against a red and orange background: Health, Family, Home, Money, Fitness, Life. Fast clips show images related to the previous concepts, such as a dollar bill, a wheat field, and strands of DNA.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Mary Ito sits in a studio with textured yellow walls and plants in the background.

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a pink cardigan.

Michele is in her sixties, with short gray hair. She's wearing a printed blue blouse and a green stone necklace.
Mary Riehle is in her thirties, with long straight blond hair. She's wearing a pink blouse.
Kathleen is in her fifties, with short gray hair. She's wearing a red shirt.

She says THIS LATEST...

The caption changes to "Michele Landsberg. Toronto Star Columnist."

Michele says HOW INCREDIBLE IS IT THAT MILLIONS OF CHILDREN ARE PANTING, WAITING FOR THE LATEST NOVEL? AND IF NOTHING ELSE, THEY ARE BEING STEEPED IN THE JOY OF BEING ENGAGED, TOTALLY ENGAGED BY A STORY. BY A WONDERFUL MAGICAL NARRATIVE. I THINK IT'S A PHENOMENON, REALLY, THAT WILL SPILL OVER INTO OTHER READING AND WILL BE MARVELOUS FOR KIDS.

Mary says SO A GOOD THING ALL AROUND, YOU THINK?

Michele says I THINK SO.

Mary says WELL HOW ABOUT YOU, KATHLEEN? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

The caption changes to "Kathleen Bailey. Children's Book."

Kathleen says IT'S AMAZING. I'M QUITE AMAZED AT HOW MANY ADULTS WE HAVE COMING INTO MY CHILDREN'S DEPARTMENT, ASKING FOR THE BOOK AND THEY'RE STARTING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SERIES SOME OF THE THEM. SOME OF THEM DIDN'T GET SWEPT UP INITIALLY BUT NOW THEY ARE RIGHT THROUGH THEIR.

Mary says AND THIS IS NOW WHAT THE FOURTH OR FIFTH?

Kathleen says FIFTH.

Mary says YOU DON'T SEE IT SLOWING, TIRING PEOPLE IN WHEN YOU THINK OF THE FIRST READERS, RIGHT, THOSE KIDS ARE PROBABLY IN ABOUT HIGHSCHOOL NOW, AREN'T THEY.

Michele says YES BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE AND THE INTERNET CHATTER, THERE ARE 18 AND 19-YEAR-OLDS WHO ARE WHOLLY ENGROSSED BY THIS. LOOK A GOOD STORY IS A GOOD STORY.

Mary says NOW MARY, IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT PARENTS ARE COMING IN, NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT THE BOOK IS ABOUT, RIGHT? BUT THEY KNOW THE PHENOMENON, AND ARE THEY BUYING IT FOR LITTLE CHILDREN?

The caption changes to "Mary Riehle. 'The lion, the witch and the wardrobe.'"

Mary Riehle says YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I THINK MOST PEOPLE HAVE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT IT IS... IT'S GREAT FOR READING AND THE LIBRARY IN GENERAL, BUT CITY LION WITCH AND WARDROBE WHERE I WORK WE HAD A PARENT THE OTHER DAY COME IN AND SHE HAD A CHILD WHO JUST TURNED THREE AND SHE WAS READING IT ALLOWED TO THE CHILD AND SHE FELT THAT THE CHILD WAS FULLY ENGROSSED IN THE STORY. FIRST OF ALL AT THREE YEARS OLD YOU ARE NOT EMOTIONALLY MATURE ENOUGH TO DIGEST A BOOK LIKE THAT AND SECOND OF ALL...

Mary says IT'S SCARY.

Mary Riehle says EXACTLY, IT'S SCARY.

Michele says I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD BE INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO A CHILD AT THAT AGE. THAT'S A LOST EFFORT.

Mary Riehle says SOME PEOPLE ARE HEARING IT'S A BIG FAD, TREND, GETTING KIDS BACK INTO BOOKS SO THEY'RE JUST APPLYING IT TO ALL KIDS AT ANY AGE AND THEY'RE NOT CONSULTING BOOK REVIEWERS ON WHAT AGE TO APPLY IT TO AND IT'S GETTING INAPPROPRIATE.

Mary says WOULD YOU SAY THE BOOKS ARE WELL WRITTEN?

Kathleen says I LOVE THE FIRST TWO OR THREE AND THEN I THINK AN EDITOR WOULDN'T TOUCH THE FOURTH. I ALMOST FEEL AS IF IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN EDITED THERE BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD TOUCH IT.

Mary says BECAUSE SHE'S SO BIG NOW.

Kathleen says SHE'S SO BIG, SO BIG. THAT'S MY PERSONAL TAKE ON IT.

Michele says I THINK THE POTTER BOOKS ARE TERRIFIC. I'M NOT DECRYING THEM AT ALL WHEN I SAY THERE ARE OTHER FANTASY WRITERS EVEN RICHER. THERE ARE OFTEN LITERARY AWARDS TO A READER. I THINK THE HARRY POTTER TEN KNOWLEDGE NONE, THERE ARE OTHER FANTASIES TO READ, JOAN AIKEN, WHO IS A TROOPER, SHE'S STILL GOING, SHE'S WRITTEN DOZENS AND DOZENS OF THE MOST MAGICAL BOOKS, AND THEY ARE WORD-RICH BOOKS. THEY'RE DELIGHTFUL IN HUMOUR, TOO.

Mary says NOW THAT YOU MENTION THAT, MY SON, BECAUSE HE LOVED HARRY POTTER, HE PICKED UP A BOOK THE OTHER DAY. I THINK IT'S CALLED THE THIEF LORD.

Kathleen says YUP.

Mary says IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED?

Michele says AN EXTRAORDINARY NEW BOOK, YES. TRANSLATED FROM THE GERMAN, YEAH. AND IT'S A GREAT SET IN VENICE, VERY MAGICAL. WE'RE GOING.

Mary says LET'S START FIRST WITH YOURS AND WE'RE GOING START WITH PRESCHOOLERS.

Michele says WE HAVE IN CANADA ONE OF THE LOVELIEST ARTIST FOR THE PRESCHOOLER SET. MARY LOUISE GAY. SHE STARTED WITH BOOKS ABOUT STELLA, THIS MARVELOUSLY BOSSY IMAGINATIVE LITTLE GIRL WITH FLAMING RED HAIR, AND GRADUALLY STELLA'S TIMID LITTLE BROTHER SAM, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL BOOKS ABOUT SAM NOW AND THESE PAINTINGS AND DRAWINGS, THEY'RE WATER COLOUR PAINTINGS ABOUT SAM. EVERY LINE IS FILLEDDED WITH HUMOUR AND AFFECTION. THEY JUST GLOW WITH GOOD HUMOUR. SAM IS GETTING READY TO GET UP AND GET DRESSED AND STELLA IS HELPING HIM. AND HE'S, HE'S IN BETWEEN, YOU SEE, IS ALL THE LITTLE WORDLESS PLAY WITH THIS. FUNNY LITTLE DOG SCAMPERING AROUND, AND THEY'RE GIGGLING AND PLAYING AND STELLA'S YELLING FROM THE OTHER ROOM, ARE YOU READY SAM? IT'S TIME TO GET READIE AND KEEPS SAYING I'M READY, I'M GETTING DRESSED. AND I MEAN...

She opens said book and shows some of its drawings.

Mary says YOU KNOW A'S FUNNY? HUN HOW YOU USE THAT SQUEAK THEIR LITTLE VOICE? THAT'S WHAT THE PICTURES... HER ILLUSTRATIONS ARE SO AMAZING THAT WAY.

Michele says THEY'RE SO AMAZING. THEY'RE SO EXPRESSIVE. THERE'S STELLA WITH THE RED HAIR. AND SAM CALLS IT "TELLLA, MY HEAD GOT BIGGER OVERNIGHT." BECAUSE HIS PAJAMAS AND SHE HELPS HIM AND IT'S JUST A SIMPLE DAILY ROUTINE, EVERY TINY CHILD, TODDLER, 3-YEAR-OLD IS USED TO STRUGGLING TO GET DRUS DRESED AND THE OLDER SIBLING HELPING OUT AND BOSSING AROUND A LITTLE BIT. AND AT THE VERY END, SAM GETS THE LAST LAUGH BECAUSE STELLA IS SO BUSY HELPING HIM, SHE DOESN'T REALISE THAT AS THEY WALK OUT THE DOOR, SHE IS STILL IN HER NIGHT GOWN.

The caption changes to "Today's topic: Children's books."

Mary says OH, I LOVE IT!

Michele says SO IT'S A SIMPLE JOKE, AND A SIMPLE STORIES, BUT ILLUSTRATIONS AND THE AFFECTION WITH WHICH THE STORY IS TOLD MAKE IT A LOVELY READ FOR THE LITTLE ONES.

Mary says IS IT TOO BIG PFR A GENERALIZATION IF I SAY YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH A BOOK BYER?

Michele says ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING SHE'S DONE THAT WASN'T WONDERFUL, AND REALLY SPECIAL.

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary says OKAY. MOSQUE ON, SKATH LEAN, YOUR PICK.

As she shows a book, Kathleen says I HAVE A DAY WITH NELLIE, WHICH IS BY MARTHA JOCELYN, AND THIS IS AN UNUSUAL BOOK BECAUSE IT'S DONE WITH FABRIC COLLEGE. MARTHA JOCELYN AN AUTHOR ILLUSTRATOR WHO OFTEN HAS DESIGNED THINGS FOR KIDS AND IT'S AN NUKE TECHNIQUE. I LOVE THE END PAPERS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTIVITY GOING ON, IT'S JUST TREMENDOUS. AND WHEN YOU MOVE IN, HERE IS NELLIE. IN THE MIRROR. JUST IN THE BEGINNING EVER THE BOOK. IT'S WONDERFUL BECAUSE ALSO MARTHA JONS JOCELYN, WHO SAN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHER HAS TWO DAUGHTERS, AND ONE OF THEM IS CALLED NEL. SO TALK ABOUT PERSONALIZED.

Mary says OH, HOW WONDERFUL. IT ACTUALLY BASED ON HER DAUGHTER?

Kathleen says AH, I DON'T KNOW BHAU I LOVE ABOUT THIS IT IS IT'S SORT SATISFY POINT-AND-SEE BOOK.

Michele says AND LOOK AT ALL THE ITEMS IT OF CLOTHING...

Mary says ISN'T IT SOMETHING?

Michele says IT'S VERY TACTILE BECAUSE COLLEGE... IS IT COLLEGE?

Kathleen says IT'S FABRIC COLLEGE AND SHE'S BEEN SO IMAGINETIVE, HER DESIGN IS SO GOOD AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THE DAY IS FARLEY WITH A TWO TO THREE YEAR OLD, HERE IS THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. AND IT'S NELLIE GETS TIRED, CRANKY, STUBBORN, MAD. NELLIE TAKES A NAP.

Mary Riehle says THE LITTLE DETAIL OF JUST THE ANTS ON THE SIDE OF THE PAGE, STUFF LIKE THAT.

Kathleen says IT'S JUST A GORGEOUS BOOK.

Mary says AND WHO'S THE AUTHOR.

Kathleen says THIS IS MARTHA JOCELYN. WHO SPLITS HER TIME BETWEEN NEW YORK CITY AND STRATFORD.

Michele says GOOD CHOICES.

Mary says OKAY, MARY, WHAT'S YOUR CHOICE?

Mary Riehle says I BROUGHT AN EXCELLENT CLASSIC AUTHOR, SANDRA BOYNTON'S HEAD HAT BLUE HAT. THIS ONE HAS BLUE HAT GREEN HAT, RED HAT, OOPS AND YOU'VE GOT A TURKEY WEARING A HAT ON HIS FEET. THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THE TURKEY HAS GOTTEN IT THE ARTICLE OF CLOTHING WRONG SO THE CHILD COOL SAY OH, THAT'S A HAT ON YOUR HEAD, AND YOU GET TO ANTICIPATE THE OOPS ON ALL THE PAGES. AND IT'S VERY COMICAL, YOU'VE GOT THAT PUNCHLINE AT THE END OF THE PAGE.

Mary says AND THE THICK CARDBOARD PAGES DON'T HURT.

Mary Riehle says EXACTLY. I WAS GOING SAY THAT SANDRA BOYNTON PUBLISHES A LOT OF HER STORIES IN THESE BOARD BOOK BOOKS WHICH ARE SO STURDY, BRIGHT COLOURS AND SHORT LITTLE SENTENCES FOR SHORT ATTENTION SPANS FOR LITTLE PRESCHOOLERS.

Michele says THAT IS REALLY PERFECT FOR ONE AND A HALF, TWO YEARS OLD, LEARNING THEIR COLOURS.

Mary Riehle says AND I'VE HAD SOMEONE MENTION TO ME THAT WHAT'S PERFECT ABOUT IT IS THAT A CHILD GETS TO MATCH THE COLOUR WITH THE ARTICLE OF CLOTHING SO THEY CAN SAY I KNOW THAT THOSE ARE PAINTS AND OH, THAT'S YELLOW SO THEY CAN READ THAT STORY BECAUSE THEY CAN RECOGNISE THE COLOUR AND THE ARTICLE OF CLOTHING SO THEY START READING WITH THESE STORIES, YELLOW PANTS AND IT'S JUST WONDERFUL.

Mary says YOU HAVE A GOOD POINT ABOUT NICE, EASY SHORT SENTENCES. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A TREND OR SOMETHING COMMON BUT SOME OF THE PICTURE BOOKS THAT I PICK UP, THERE ARE SO MANY WORDS ON THE PAGE. YOU KNOW, THE PICTURES ARE GREAT BUT THERE'S SO MUCH NEXT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROACH FOR THE AGE OF THE CHILD I WAS THINKING OF.

Michele says WELL, PICTURE BOOKS CAN BE FOR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT-YEAR OILS. THERE'S NO REASON SO STOP READING TO THEM AT THAT AGE AND IF IT'S VERY TEXT HEAVY LOOK AT THE STORY AND SEE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR CHILD. THEY LOVE THE PICTURE BOOK AND YOU SHOULD NOT STOP READING TO THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN READ ON THEIR OWN. IT'S STILL A VERY INTIMATE AND LOVELY SHARING TIME.

Mary says YOU KNOW, I'M WONDER, AND YOU WOULD KNOW THIS FROM A LIBRARIAN'S POINT OF VIEW, AS A CHILD DO OLDER CHILDREN TEND TO THINK OH, THAT'S A PICTURE BOOK, THAT'S NOT FOR ME. EVEN THOUGH THE TEXT MAY BE QUITE DIFFICULT? THEY MIGHT STAY AWAY FROM IT THINKING IT'S FOR A YOUNGER CHILD?

Kathleen says THEY DO BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE WORK THE OTHER WAY WITH THEM AND WE TELL THEM THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BOOK AND MEANT FOR OLDER KIDS AS AN ART FORM, SO ONCE YOU GET INTO THE SWING OF THE LANGUAGE AND THE WORDS JUST ROLLING OUT, THEY'RE KANT VAIT.

Mary Riehle says AND I FIND THAT YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH BOOKS YOU CAN GO TO PLACES LIKE THE LION WITCH AND WAR CROB OR GO TO THE LIBRARY AND ASK SOMEONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THEM WHAT AGE THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR AND YOU CAN GET THOSE GREAT RECOMMENDATION, THAT AWESOME CUSTOMER SERVICE WHERE PEOPLE CAN APPLY THE BOOK TO THAT SPECIFIC AUDIENCE AND RECOMMEND A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE BOOK THAT MIGHT HAVE LOOT OF TEXT FOR AN OLDER CHILD AND THEY CAN EXPLAIN WHY THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.

Kathleen says THERE'S SOME INCREDIBLY SENSITIVE PICTURE BOOKS FOR OLDER KIDS, DEALING WITH REALLY STRONG TOPICS.

Mary says YES. DID YOU SEE THE PICTURE BY JOE SEFFA, THE BOY FROM THE PRAIRIES? THAT'S A WONDERFUL ONE, GO ABOUT THE IMMIGRANT BOY WHO COULDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH AND SUCH A SENSITIVE STORY IN A PICTURE BOOK.

Kathleen says AND SET BACK IN THE EARLY.

Mary says I THINK IT WAS TURN OF THE CENTURY. YEAH, MICHELE YOUR NEXT ONE.

Michele says I'VE GOT ONE SET EARLY IN THE CENTURY, TOO. THIS IS A CHAPTER BOOK FOR OLDER CHILDREN, I WOULD SAY MIDDLE CHILDREN, 8 TO 12 AND IT'S A MAGNIFICENT CANADIAN BOOK. IN FACT IT'S SHORT LIED FOR THE FLECK AWARD, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST NON-FICTION PRIZE IN CANADA FOR CHILDREN'S BOOK, A 10,000 dollar AWARD AND THIS IS ON THE LIST OF NOMINEES. IT'S A TRUE STORY OF A NATIVE INDIAN MAN WHO GREW UP IN THE FAR NORTH OF ALBERTA WITH HIS FAMILY ON THE LAND IN THE TRADITIONAL HUNTING WAYS AND AT THE END OF HIS SUMMER, HIS LAST SUMMER ON THE LAND BEFORE GOING TO RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL, SO THIS IS A TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT STORY FOR CANADIAN CHILDREN TO KNOW ABOUT. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR ABORIGINAL PEOPLE. IT'S ILLUSTRATED WITH BEAUTIFUL WATER COLOURS. PERHAPS I COULD TAKE THE RIGHT ONE, TO SHOW THE FAMILY FEELING. THERE'S AN INTENSE DELIGHT IN FAMILY STORY TELLING, HUNTING, GATHERING, CAPTURING A LOST OWLETT AND BRINGS IT UP BY HAND. THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE, AND IT'S FILLED THROUGHOUT WITH THESE PICTURES.

As she shows drawings contained inside the book, she continues
LARRY, THE BOY IN THE STORIES, HIS MEMOIRE, GOINGS OUT HUNTING WITH HIS GRANNY WHO'S A TINY DYNAMO. SHE USED TO BE A BRONCO BUSTER, SHE SHOOTS IN SIF DEFENCE THE BIGGEST GRIZZLY THAT'S EVER BEEN SHOT IN THAT AREA AND SO IT'S FILLED WITH EXCITEMENT. AND AT THE END OF THE BOOK, THE TREMENDOUS SADNESS. IN FACT, MARY, I FOUND MYSELF BURSTING INTO TEARS. I WAS SO SAD AT THE END WHEN THE AUTHORITIES COME AND TAKE ALL THE CHILDREN AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY AND THROW THEM INTO A WAGONS WHO SIDES ARE SO HI THEY CAN'T EVEN WAVE GOOD-BYE AND TAKE THEM AWAY TO RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL, AND THE YOUNGEST ONE OF HIS SIBLINGS IS ONLY ABOUT FOUR YEARS OLD. AND THERE WILL BE MORE STORIES FROM THIS VERY GIFTED AUTHOR. THIS IS HIS FIRST BOOK, I BELIEVE AND AND AT THE END THERE ARE PICTURES OF THESE SAD CHILDREN IN RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL AND OF HIS FAMILY BY THE WAY, WHOSE FACES ARE VERY WELL-CAPTURED BY THE ARTIST IN HER ILLUSTRATIONS. SO THIS IS A POWERFUL BOOK AND ONE THAT I... NOT ONLY IS A GREAT DELIGHT TO READ BUT IS AN IMPORTANT STORY FOR ALL OUR KIDS KNOW.

Mary says NOT JUST KIDS. I'M THINKING WHAT A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY.

Michele says AND A FEELING EXPERIENCE. THIS IS DIDACTIC AND PREACHY. THIS IS A BEAUTIFULLY, AND EMOTIONALLY DEEP STORY.

Mary says AS LONG AS THE RIVERS THROW. LARRY LOYLEE.

Michele says YES.

Mary says IN CASE YOU'VE TUNED IN TODAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT KIDS' BOOKS. WE HAVE OUR PANEL AND THEY'VE BROUGHT IN THEIR FAVOURITES AND WE'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR FAVOURITE, TOO. IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL CHILDREN'S BOOK YOU'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND, CALL IN AND TELL US. THE NUMBER TO DIAL UNTIL TORONTO IS...

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Mary says AND TANYA IS ON THE LINE FROM KINGSTON. HI TAN A.

The caller says HELLO.

Mary says DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR US?

The caller says I DO, ABSOLUTELY. IT'S "THE LITTLE PRINCE."

Mary says OH, YES. HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU READ THAT?

The caller says PROBABLY AROUND EIGHT. SEVEN OR EIGHT. AND I'M ACTUALLY STILL READING IT TODAY. I'M 21 YEARS OLD NOW AND IT'S STILL ONE OF MY FAVOURITES.

Mary says OH, THAT'S GREAT. WHAT A WONDERFUL RECOMMENDATIONATION. WHO'S READ THE LITTLE SFLINS.

Michele says I WAS A CHILD ACTRESS AND I AUDITIONED FOR THE LEAD ROLE IN THE CBC RADIO PRODUCTION. I DIDN'T GET THE LEAD ROLE, BUT BECAUSE OF READING THAT AT THAT YOUNG AGE, I THINK I WAS EIGHT OR NIRNGS I WAS VERY CAPTIVATED AND LATER IN MY TEENS I RE-READ IT BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY TOUCHING PHILOSOPHICAL INSITES BY ANTOINE ZUBAREE WHO WROTE IT. IF BEAUTIFUL BOOK.

Mary says DON'T YOU LOVE THOSE BOOKS YOU READ AS A CHILD AND YOU WILL READ THEM AGAIN... I DID THAT WITH THE NARNIA SERIES. KATHLEEN, DO YOU HAVE BOOKS LIKE THAT YOU READ AS AN ADULT?

Kathleen says OH, ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT I'VE COME BACK TO AGAIN AND AGAIN. THEY HAVE MANY LAYERS. YOU READ THEM ON THE STORY LEVEL AND YOU READ THEM UP TO THE NARN I CAN'T SERIES AND YOU SEE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LAYER TO IT.

Mary Riehle says YEAH, LIKE YOU MENTIONED THE CAN CAL OF NARNIA, LOOK AT THE NAME OF THE STORE, THE LION WITCH AND WARDROBE, CHOSEN BECAUSE THE I OWNER OF THE STORE CAME BACK TO IT AS AN ADULT AND SAID THIS WAS MY FAVOURITE BOOK AS A YOUNG READER AND I CAN'T LET GO OF IT.

Mary says WHAT'S YOUR NEXT PICK?

Kathleen says MY NEXT SOMEONE A LOVELY ILLUSTRATED VERSION OF A STORY CALLED SINBAD AND THE LAND OF THE GIANTS. IT'S BY MILA ZEMAN WHO LIVES IN MONTHSAL AND IS A CANADIAN AUTHORITY ILLUSTRATOR. SHE'S RE-TELLING A STORY... NOW THIS IS A VERY POWERFUL STORY. THIS IS NOT FOR FIVE-YEAR-OLDS. SHE'S RETELLING ONE STORY FROM 1001 NIGHTS. DO YOU REMEMBER SHARA AZAD WHO TOLD STORIES TO PRESERVE HER HEAD? AT THE BEGINNING IT STARTS WITH SINBAD THE SAILOR, LYING BACK ON HIS CUSHIONS AND COMFORT TELLING SINBAD THE PORTER ABOUT HIS ADVENTURES AND HERE YOU SEE THE SHIP GOING OFF AND THE STORY LAUNCHES. AREN'T THEY BEAUTIFUL.

Mary says THEY'RE SO RICH.

Kathleen says THEY'RE WATER COLOUR AND PENCIL.

Mary says LOOKS LIKE A TAPESTRY.

Kathleen says IT'S ALMOST MEDIEVAL IN THIS KIND OF TRACERY ON THE EDGE AND IT'S AN EXTREMELY POWERFUL STORY. SIN IS BAD A SURVIVOR ALMOST... IN FACT EVERYONE HE GOES WITH IS EATEN OR DISAPPEARS OR DROWNS.

Mary says WOW! PERFECT FOR KIDS!

Kathleen says I WOULD SAY IT'S FOR OLDER KIDS IN THE SENSE IT'S VERY POWERFUL. YOU SEE, HERE YOU ARE IN THE LAND OF THE GIANTS AND HERE HE HAS CAPTURED ALL KIND OF PEOPLE.

She shows drawings from the book.

Mary says LOOK AT THAT GIANT!

Kathleen says AND LATER ON, YOU HAVE A GIANT... THE GIANT'S TRYING TO SINK THE SHIP. AND THEY ACTUALLY DO... THEY ACTUALLY SINK IT, BUT OF COURSE SINBAD SURVIVES. HE JUST IS AMAZING IN THAT WAY. AND OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STRONG IMAGINATION BECAUSE THERE IS SINBAD AND ONE OF HIS FRIENDS AND THEY HANG FROM THAT TREE FOR DAY... I LOVE THE IMAGINATION THAT NED HAS USED WITH THIS. SHE'S JUST GOT SUCH A GIFT AND SHE'S ONE OF OUR REALLY STRONG CANADIAN AUTHORS.

Mary says BEAUTIFUL. THAT'S SINBAD IN THE LAND OF GIANTS. AGAIN THE AUTHOR IS...

Kathleen says LUDMILLA ZIENE.

Mary Riehle says I BROUGHT A BEAUTIFUL STORY PICTURE BOOK TODAY CALLED "THE WATER POLE" BY CATHERINE BAITS.

Mary says I LOVE THAT IT'S GREAT.

Mary Riehle says IT'S A COUNTING BOOK WITH PROGRESSIVE ELIPTICAL HOLES AT THE BOTTOM AND YOU SEE SOMETHING LIKE THESE GUYS WHICH GROW SMALLER AND SMALLER AS DROUGHT COMES TO THIS WATER HOLE.

She shows a drawing of a water hole repeated throughout the book, with different surroundings.

She continues SO EACH PAGE HAS THAT HOLE UNTIL IT AND THEY GROW SMALLER. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THIS BOOK IS A PROGRESSING SECONDARY GROUP OF DESIGNS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE AND THE TOP OF THE PAGE WHERE YOU HAVE PERFECT TOURS FROM THE DIFFERENT PART OF THE WORLD WHERE EACH OF THESE IMAGINES ARE FROM SO IT'S VERY SMALL THYME TYPE BUT AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE YOU HAVE AN INDIAN RHINO LIKE THAT. SO THE CHILD GETS TO PICK OUT ANIMALS AND DIFFERENT IMAGES HERE IN THE BACKGROUND. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. SO DETAILS. GRAHAM BASE WROTE ANAMALIA AND WATER HOLE, BANG, I LOVE IT TWICE AS MUCH AS ANIMALIA.

Mary says IS IT POPULAR...

Mary Riehle says I FIND IT IS. I FIND IT IS. HE WAS GOING TO WIN AN AWARD FOR IT. HE WAS UP FOR SOMETHING.

Mary says I KNOW HE WON FOR ANIMALIA.

Mary Riehle says YES, YES NO HE STUDIED GRAPHIC DESIGN I BELIEVE IN STALIA. IT'S JUST. IT SHOWS IN HIS PICTURES. ONE OF THE MOST PROFOUND IMAGES I WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE ANIMALS HAVE DRUNK THE WATER HOLE DRY AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LEFT WITH, IS THAT DROUGHT...

She shows a picture of a dry landscape, then says AND THE IT PROGRESSES TO A BEAUTIFUL CLIMACTIC SHOT OF WATER AS IT STARTS TO RAIN AGAIN. IT REFRESHES YOU. YOU GROW WITH THIS BOOK. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE AND BECAUSE IT IS A COUNTING BOOK, I WOULD RECOMMEND IT STARTING IN SORT OF PRESCHOOL AGE AND WORKING ITS WAY INTO, YOU KNOW, UNTIL KINDER GUARD DERNGS AROUND FIVE YEARS OLD.

Mary says BUT YOU'RE WRITE. BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY LAYER, I EVEN FOUND WHEN MY BOY WAS SEVEN... HE'S STILL INTERESTED IN PICKING OUT THE LITTLE ANIMALS.

Michele says OOH.

Mary Riehle says I KNOW YOU'RE LEARNING. YOU'RE PICKING AN INDIAN RHINO AND YOU CAN DISCUSS THE PART OF THE WORLD AN INDIAN RHINO INHABITS.

Mary says SO THAT'S THE WATER HOLE. OKAY, NOW WE'RE BACK, MICHELE, MOVING ONTO...

Michele says WE'RE MOVING ONTO OLDER NOVELS AND THIS ONE WOULD BE FOR 11 AND UP. THINK OF HARRY POTTER AND TAKE THAT UP BY A FACTOR OF TEN. THIS IS THAT MUCH MORE COMPLICATED AND FOR THAT MUCH OLDER CHILDREN, IN FACT WHEN I SAY... I GOT THE AGE WRORNG. I WOULD SAY 12 AND UP. THIS IS A TEENAGED NOVEL. ALCHEMY BY MARGARET MAYHE, ONE OF THE TRULY GREAT FANTASY AUTHORS AND I THINK SHE'S FROM NEW ZEALAND. IN THIS BOOK, ROLAND IS 17. HE'S THE GUY, HE'S IN PRIVATE SCHOOL, HE'S THE TOP... HANDSOME, ATHLETIC AND ONE OF THE BRIGHTEST STUDENTS AND SUDDENLY HE FIND HIMSELF PLUNGED INTO A STRANGE POD. ONE OF HIS TEACHERS VIRTUALLY BLACKMAILS HIM INTO SPYING ON A VERY SHY AND WITHDRAWN GIRL WHO'S GOT THE UNFORTUNATE NAME OF JETS FERRET.

Mary Riehle says OH.

Michele says ALWAYS OVERLOOKED AND ALWAYS AS... HE DOESN'T KNOW WHY HE'S BEING PROPELLED INTO AN UNWANTED FRIENDSHIP WITH THIS GIRL, BUT HE DISCOVERED THAT SHE HAS SO ASTOUNDING MAGICAL POWERS THAT HE'S BEEN TRYING TO REPRESS IN HIMSELF. AND AS THE TWO COME TOGETHER, EXPLOSIVE THINGS HAPPEN BOTH IN THE MAGIC, A SINISTER SUB PLOT ABOUT A STRANGE IMAGINE MAGICIAN ENTERS AND THEIR LIVES ARE INTERTWINEED. WHAT'S REALLY FAN FAST STICK ABOUT THIS BOOK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER BEING A TEENAGER, OF COURSE THERE ARE THE MOODY DOWN THINGS ABOUT BEING AN ADOLESCENT BUT THERE ARE MOMENTS OF A BLAZING EXHILARATION WHERE YOU FEEL THE WORLD IS YOUR OYSTER AND YOU COULD DO ANYTHING AND YOU HAVE INCREDIBLE POWERS THAT ARE YET TO BE DEVELOPED AND THE MAGIC IN THIS BOOK IS REALLY ABOUT THAT. THE HUMAN POSSIBILITIES OF EVERY YOUNG PERSON. IT'S TO BRILLIANTLY EVOKED, YOU JUST FEEL EXHILARATED AND CAPTIVATED IN THIS AND OPTIMISTIC, EVEN THOUGH IT'S AT TIMES A VERY DARK FANTASY. SHE'S A COMPLICATED AUTHORITY. IT'S HARD TO EVOKE JUST HOW RICH SHE IS.

Mary says OH, BUT HE'S ABLE TO STRADDLE SO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS SO WELL.

Michele says AND SHE IS SO HUMANE AND AFFIRMIVE. I THINK ANY PASSIONATE READER WHO HAS LOVED HARRY POTTER. THIS IS IT.

Mary says OKAY. SUE ON THE LINE. HOW ARE YOU?

The caller says GOOD THANKS.

Mary says DO YOU HAVE A SPECIAL BOOK.

The caller says YES I DO, WHEN I WAS A CHILD IF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THE BOBSEY TWINS.

Mary says DID YOU READ THE WHOLE SERIES?

The caller says YES I DID.

Mary says HOW MANY FROM IN THE WHOLE SERIES?

The caller says YOU KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER. MY FAMILY BOUGHT THEM, THE WHOLE SERIES AND I'D GET THEM FOR SPECIAL OCCASIONS.

Mary says DO YOU ACTUALLY REMEMBER, WHO WERE THEIR NAMES?

The caller says OH, GEEZ, NAN, FONSY, THE TWIN, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET THE SET FOR MY DAUGHTER.

Mary says WELL LET'S ASK KTH LEAN, THANK YOU, SUE BY THE WAY. THE BOBSEY TWINS. DO YOU STILL... DO YOU CARRY IT?

Kathleen says I'M NOT SURE WHETHER WE STILL HAVE IT. I KNOW THEY'RE STILL AROUND IN SO BOOK STORES IN THE SECOND HAND STORES.

Mary says MARY? DO YOU HAVE THE BOBSEY TWINS?

Mary Riehle says I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY COPIES BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO DOUBLE CHECK ON.

Kathleen says I REMEMBER BEING TEASED BY MY SISTER BECAUSE I PICKED UP AN EXPRESSION FROM IT SAYING "I DECLARE." AND SHE HATED IT.

Michele says I WONDER IF SUE RE-READ THE SERIES WHETHER SHE WOULD FIND IT AS CAPTIVATING AS...

Mary says YEAH, WITH STAND THE TEST LIKE THE NARNIA SINDZ DROP. ALL THOSE ONE, TRIXIE BELLDON. I REMEMBER READING ENCYCLOPEDIA BROWN.

Kathleen says AND THEY'RE STILL POPULAR.

Michele says THE BOBSEY TWINS I THINK YOU WOULD FIND A VERY WROTE SERIES IF YOU READ THEM NOW. BUT I READ THEM. ALL OF THEM.

Mary says DID YOU READ NANCY DREW.

Michele says NO, BY THAT TIME I WAS INTO ENGLISH AUTHORS WHO WERE AT A MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED LEVEL SO I WAS BORED BY NANCY DREW.

Mary Riehle says WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN OUR STORE THE ACTUAL HARD COVER NANCY DREW BOOKS THAT ARE SELLING AND THEY ARE STILL POPULAR. WONDERFUL BOOKS. CLASSICS.

Kathleen says AND I STILL VM KIDS READING FANCY DREW. THEY GET THE SCOMPREERS THEN THEY START TO ROOLLIZE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.

Mary says OKAY, WITH A'S YOUR PICK KATHLEEN.

Kathleen says I'VE GOT A LITTLE ONE AND THIS ONE'S CALLED CHANCE AND THE BUTTERFLY BY A WESTCOAST AUTHOR CALLED MAGGIE DE VRIES. IT'S A WONDERFUL BOOK FOR OH, A NINE OR TEN-YEAR-OLD TO READ, EITHER ON THEIR OWN OR WITH A PARENT. I FIND IT QUITE ENCHANTING BECAUSE THIS IS NOT AN IDEAL WILL BOY, THIS IS A HYPER ACTIVE BOY WHO'S VERY ANGRY. HE'S BEEN SWITCHED AROUND FROM ONE FOSTER HOME TO ANOTHER. GETS IN TROUBLE WHEREVER HE IS. HE'S KIND OF DECIDE HE'S NOT SOMEONE WHO'S LOVABLE OR WILL EVER BE LIKED OR WILL EVER GET ALONG IN THE WORLD. SO HE'S WITHIN A NEW THIRD GRADE CLASS AND HE KNOWS IT'S GOING TO BE A DISASTER. THAT'S JUST HIS OUTLOOK. BUT WITHOUT BEING PREACHY FAST ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED? HIS CLASSROOM WHEN THEY TAKE CATERPILLARS, AND THERE ARE LITTLE CATERPILLARS ALL THROUGH THE BOOK, LEER AND THERE ON CHAPTER HEADINGS, JUST A LITTLE ILLUSTRATION THERE, AND THEY TAKE CATERPILLARS AND WATCH THEM EVOLVE AND HE BADLY WANTS TO HAVE ONE OF HIS VERY OWN. HIS OWN. NOT SOMEBODY ELSE'S, NOT SHARED WITH THE CLASS AND HE KIDNAPS ONE AND TAKES IT HOME WITH HIM. NOW THE WHOLE CLASS REALISES THERE'S ONE MISSING BUT THEY CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO HAS TAKEN IT. THERE'S ALSO A REALLY INTEREST FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN CHANCE AND A YOUNG BOY WHO DOESN'T SPEAK A LOT OF ENGLISH. IT'S NOT I SHALL INITIALLY A FRIENDSHIP, IT'S MORE A STAND-OFF CONFLICT SITUATION BUT IT EVOLVES AND IT IS REAL. KIDS LOOK AT THESE SITUATIONS... HERE IS CHANCE BUTTING HIS OLDER BROTHER IN THE FOSTER HOME RIGHT IN THE CHEST THIS ISRY. YOU KNOW?

She shows a drawing contained inside the book.

Mary says IT HAPPENS NEFRD MY HOUSE.

Kathleen says THIS IS WHAT KIDS DO. SO WITHOUT BEING PREACHY IT'S ABOUT A BOW WHO STARTS BELIEVE IT THAT MAYBE EXCHANGE AND IT'S JUST A LOVELY SENSITIVELY WRITTEN BOOK.

Mary says CHANCE AND THE BUTTERFLY.

Kathleen says BY MAGGIE DE VRIES.

Mary says AND MARY? YOUR CHOICE FOR PRE TEENS?

Mary Riehle says BY BROUGHT A WONDERFUL PRE-TEEN BOOK THAT'S PART OF A SERIES. NOW THIS IS MY ALTERNATIVE HARRY POTTER. THIS IS "THE SPIDERWICK." CHRONICLES BY TONY DEETERLIZZIE, IF YOU PRONOUNCE IT THAT WAY. THESE BOOKS ARE EXTRAORDINARY. THEY START AROUND AGE SIX OR SEVEN AND WORK THEIR WAY TO TEN SO THIS IS SOOFRT PRE HARRY POTTER HARRY POTTER WHICH IS WONDERFUL BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT A YOUNGER CHILD WHO WANTS TO GET INTO THAT INTERESTING FANTASY FEN NUMBER NORNGS THIS IS ANOTHER CHOICE YOU CAN TRY. THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL BOOKS, FOCUSING ON SORT OF VICTORIAN ILLUSTRATIONS. NOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE STORIES IS OFF BOY AND GIRL, BROTHER AND SISTER, AND THEY ARE BEING BESEIGED BY DIFFERENT KINDS OF FAIRIES. SOME GOOD, SOME BAD, DIFFERENT BROWNIES AND GOBLINS AND THEY WANT TO GET RID OF THEM.

Mary says ARE THESE KIDS ORPHANS BY THE WAY? YOU KNOW THE OLD ORPHAN THING.

Michele says NEVER AROUND.

Mary says EXACT HE LOOK, MOVIE, BOOKS... YOU KNOW, ORPHANS EVERYWHERE.

Mary Riehle says YEAH, NO THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL BOOK. AND I WANTED TO BRING IN ANOTHER BOOK AS WELL BY TONY DETERLIZZIE CALLED THE SPIDER AND THE FLY." THIS IS THE ONE THAT CATAPULTED HIM INTO POPULARITY. IT'S BASED BY AN 1829 POEM BY MIRIAM HOW WET AND IT IS A CAUTIONARY POEM ABOUT TEACHING THE FLY NOT TO EAT THE SPIDER.

Mary says THIS IS A PICTURE BOOK?

Mary Riehle says IT'S A STORY PICTURE BOOK BUT IT'S RECOMMENDED AROUND AGE SIX BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT MATURE.

Mary says CREEPY.

Mary Riehle says YES, IT'S CREEPY. IT IS CREEPY. THERE'S A NOTE AT THE END OF THE BOOK FROM THE SPIDER SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT SPIDERS DO, WE EAT THE FLY, DON'T BE UPSET ABOUT IT, DON'T GET EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED, YOU KNOW? LET IT GO. BUT THEY HAVE THESE WONDERFUL SILENT MOVIE ERA PAGES LIKE THAT WITH THE NEXT AND THAT ACCIDENT OLD FASHIONED POETRY WITH THAT SLIGHTLY BUZZED EDGE TO GIVE IT THAT VINCENT PRICE LOOK IT'S WONDERFUL. AND HE IS A VERY SKILLED ILLUSTRATOR AND AUT SCORE IN I'D SAY ANYTHING HE TOUCHES TURNS TO GOLD. THE SPIDERWICK.

Mary says SAY HIS NAME AGAIN AS SOON AS.

Mary Riehle says TONY DETERLIZZY.

Mary says COMB ME MTO ON THE LIMPB, WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND?

The caller says THE TABLE WHERE RICH PEOPLE SIT, RIGHT TEN BY BYARD BAILOR.

Mary says THE TABLE WHY RICH PEOPLE SIT?

The caller says YEAH.

Mary says CAN YOU QUICKLY GIVE US A LITTLE SIN NUMBER SIS.

The caller says SURE, IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE GIRL THAT THINKS THAT THEY'RE NOT VERY RICH, THEY'RE VERY POOR, AND THEN THE FAMILY SITS TOGETHER ON A LITTLE TABLE AND THEY SAY WELL LET'S COUNT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE AND THEY COUNT HOW MUCH EACH OF THEM ARE WORTH AND HOW MUCH THE SUNSET THEY SEE EVERYDAY ARE WORTH, AND HOW MUCH THE BEAUTIFUL SIGHTS THEY IS HE AND THE ANIMALS AND IN THE END THE GIRL, THEY SAYS THAT WE'RE NOT POOR AFTER ALL. IT'S A GREAT BOOK. AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.

Mary says AH. OKAY. AND WHAT AGE GROUP WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THIS FOR?

The caller says ANY.

Mary says ANY AGE GROUP. YEAH. HAVE WE HEARD OF THIS BOOK. THANK YOU, COMO.

Kathleen says BIRD BAYLOR IS VERY WELL KNOWN. I DON'T KNOW THIS TITLE.

Mary says IT SOUNDS LIKE A WONDERFUL BOOK. MICHELE, DOWN TO YOUR FOURTH PICK HERE, WHAT AGE GROUP WE RECOMMENDING?

Michele says I WANTED TO RECOMMEND A PICTURE BOOK BY PHYLLIS ROOT, A WONDERFUL AUTHOR AND ILLUSTRATED BY THE PERFECT HELLEN US A SENBURE. I LOVE THIS ILLUSTRATOR AND YOU WILL PROBABLY KNOW HER BOARD BOOKS, PICTURE BOOKS. THIS IS A CREATION MYTH ABOUT BIG MAMA AND HER BABY WHO CREATE THE WORLD IT'S FILLED WITH LILTING, ROLLICKING LANGUAGE, AND SHE SAYS "I'VE MADE YOU A NICE WORLD" YOU BETTER TAKE SOME GOOD CARE OF IT." THIS IS A LITTLE TORN UP BY MY INFANT GRANDSON, BUT IT'S WORTH BRINGING IT IN. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. PICTURE BOOKS THAT GREAT FOR FIVE AND SIX YEAR OLD, NOT FOR A THREE YEAR OLD WHO WOULDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND BUT THIS IS REALLY ABOUT HOW MOTHERS CRATE THE WORLD FOR THEIR INFANTS AND FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND THAT'S IF THE SUB TEXT OF THIS LOVELY PICTURE BOOK.

Mary says I LOVE IT AND I LOVE THE COVER OF IT AND THE TITLE. BIG MOMMA MAKES THE WORLD.

Kathleen says "IF I JUST HAD TWO WINGS." BY VIRGINIA FRANCIS SCHWARTZ. THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL UNDERGROUND RAILROAD STORY. S IT WON THE BELLSON AWARD IN 2002. AND THE THING THAT I LOVE ABOUT IT IS THAT AS SHE TRAVELS NORTH, A VERY DIFFICULT JOURNEY, ALL THROUGH YOU HAVE ALL THESE SONGS WHICH ARE REALLY TELLING HER WHERE TO GO IN SONG, BECAUSE OF COURSE VERY FEW OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE FLEEING COULD READ "IF FID TWO WINGS GREAT ANGELS ABOVE, I WOULD FLY AWAY" AND SHE'S DREAM OF FLYING AWAY TO A COLD COUNTRY. SO WONDERFUL. WONDERFUL.

Mary says AND THE TITLE AGAIN...

Kathleen says "IF I JUST HAD TWO WINGS." BY VIRGINIA FRANCIS SCHWARTZ.

Mary says OKAY, AND MARY.

Mary Riehle says MY LAST BOOK AS AN ACTIVE READER, "AN EARTHLY NIGHT BY JANET McNAUGHTON" AND THIS IS SORT OF A HISTORICAL ROAM PANT PARTICULAR FANTASY COMING OF AGE BOOK. TO THROW IT ALL IN ONE. IT IS ABOUT A YOUNG GIRL WHO IS THROWN INTO THE POSITION OF FIRST DAUGHTER IN HER FATHER'S HOUSEHOLD AND SHE MEETS A YOUNG MAN WHO HAPPENS TO HAVE HIS SOUL OWNED BY THIS EVIL CREATURE. IT'S ABOUT THEM TRYING TO, THEM FALLING IN LOVE AND TRYING TO GET HIM HIS FREE DO. IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY BOOK THAT IS DETAILED WITHOUT BEING A LITTLE TOO SPECIFIC LIKE THAT IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL. I TRULY ENJOYED IT. JANET McNAUGHTON HAS 9 BOOKS... I KNOW SHE'S WOMANNING TO TORONTO THIS SUMMER, DOING A CHILDREN'S CAMP THAT'S GOING TO BE... CRMPB.

Mary says SHE'S COMING TO GIVE A WRITING WORKSHOP.

Mary Riehle says YES, I BELIEVE IT IS. THE CANADIAN CHILDREN HE'S BOOK CAMP IN TORONTO. IT'S GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE IN AUGUST.

Mary says AND EARTHLY...

Mary Riehle says EARTHLY KNIGHT.

Mary says I'M GOING TO GIVE ONE QUICK PLUG FOR THIS BOOK FOR THE SUMMER. "THE PARTY" BY BARBARA REID. WE LOVE THIS BOOK, AND YOU KNOW, EARLIER YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MATERIAL USED IN THAT BOOK, THE TEXTILES? WELL THIS OF COURSE, SHE'S THE PLASTICINE LADY. IT'S JUST... THEY'RE INCREDIBLE. WHAT I LOVED ABOUT THIS, I READ IT AND THIS HARKENED BACK WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND THE GREAT FAMILY REUNIONS. YOU KNOW THE PICNIC TABLES SPREAD WITH THE SALADS AND THE KIDS FIGHTING AND SCREAMING AND PARENTS TALKING, COMMOTION IN GENERAL AND IT STILL GOES ON, RIGHT?

Michele says AND IN PLASTICINE SHE'S ABLE TO GET SO MUCH LIFE AND VITALITY. IT'S GREAT.

Mary says THAT'S IT. HAVE A GREAT SUMMER AND HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. MICHELE LANDSBERG, COLUMNIST FROM THE "TORONTO STAR," MARY REIHL AND KATHLEEN BERRY. NOW THE TORONTO PUB LIKE LIBRARY IS RUNNING A FANTASTIC INTERACTIVE READING PRO AM GRACHLT IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE. KID FROM AROUND THE PROVINCE CAN PARTICIPATE, JUST GO TO...

A slate reads "Toronto Public Library, '20000 reads under the sea'; www.tpl.toronto.ca."

It changes to "'The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, 416-223-0044; Michele Landsberg, www.thestar.com."

Mary says NEXT, THANKS TO THE GIFT OF IMAGINATION CHILDREN CAN FIND MANY WAYS TO AMUSE THEMSELVES. SOME KIDS EVEN GO AS FAR AS TO CREATE IMAGINARY PLAYMATES. HOW IMPORTANT IS IMAGINATION TO DEVELOPMENT AND HOW MUCH LIVING IN THEIR HEAD IS HEALTHY FOR CHILDREN IN PLANET PARENT INVESTIGATED IN THIS VERY REAL FEATURE ITEM.

Tranquil music plays.

Clips show young children playing.

A blond woman in her fifties says IMAGINARY SPLAY A CHILD'S OPPORTUNITY TONE GAUGE WITH THE POSSIBILITIES THAT ARE OPEN TO HIM OR HER.

A clean-shaven man in his thirties says I'VE ALWAYS, I THINK, HAD A STRONG IMAGINATION. I DID NOT HAVE AN IMAGINARY FRIEND WHEN I WAS GROWING UP BUT I CERTAINLY LIVED IN THE WORLD OF THE MIND.

A blond woman in her early thirties says AND I HAD PARENTS THAT REALLY ENCOURAGED THIS AND PLAYED ALONG AND MY DAD SAID HE HAD AN IMAGINARY FRIEND CALLED TORTY.

A female announcer says WE VALUE THE IMAGINATION, AND MOST PARENTS THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO DEVELOP IT. BUT WHAT IS IT EXACTLY? AND WHAT IS ITS SIGNIFICANCE?

The woman in her fifties reappears with a caption that reads "Dona Matthews. Educational Psychologist."

Donna says IMAGINARY PLAY IS PLAY THAT CHILDREN, OR ADULTS, I SUPPOSE, CREATE OUT OF THEIR IMAGINATION WHERE THEY INVENT SCENARIOS AND DO SOME ROLE PLAYING, IMAGINE THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS A CHILD LEARNS IN IMAGINARY PLAY ARE SOCIAL SKILLS. AND IN FACT AS AN ADULT, WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN OUR HEADS, FIGURING OUT THINGS WE NEED TO SAY TO PEOPLE. CHILDREN USE AN IMAGINARY FRIEND. FOR EXACTLY THE SAME PURPOSE.

As she talks to a young girl, a woman says IS SALLY COMING HERE TODAY?

The girl says YEAH.

The woman says WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH SALLY?

The girl says JUST CUT... JUST MAKE A PICTURE WITH HER.

The Announcer says FOR MANY CHILDREN LIKE THREE-YEAR-OLD MADISON MARKLAND, IMAGINARY PLAY RESULTS IN THE CREATION OF THEIR OWN IMAGINARY FRIEND.

A caption reads "Angie Markland. Mom."

Angie, in her twenties, says MAT MADISON HAS AN IMAGINARY FRIEND. HER NAME'S SALLY SHE'S A TROUBLE MAKER. SHE'S BEEN HERE OFF AND ON FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. I THINK DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE BIVET THE SECOND CHILD.

Addressing Madison, Angie says IS SHE GOING TO PLAY WITH YOUR OTHER FRIENDS AT SCHOOL, AUTO?

Madison says NOT BOY, ONLY GIRLS.

Angie says ONLY GIRLS. WHY ONLY GIRLS?

Madison says BECAUSE SALLY DON'T LIKE BOYS.

Angie says SALLY DOESN'T LIKE BOYS?

Madison says NO.

Angie says YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT IN COMMON THEN, DON'T YOU?

The Announcer says IMAGINARY PLAY DATES USUALLY APPEAR WHEN A CHILD IS BETWEEN THE AGES OF THREE AND FIVE AND THEY FREQUENTLY ARRIVE AT TIMES OF STRESS, SUCH AS WHEN THERE'S A NEW BABY IN THE HOUSE.

Donna says THE OLDER CHILD IS FEELING CONCERNED ABOUT HER PLACE IN THE WORLD, IN HER WORLD, AND SO THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF RETREATING TO IT THE FRIENDSHIP WITH AN IMAGINARY PERSON, AN IMAGINARY PLAYMATE INSTEAD OF DEALING WITH THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON IN HER OWN LIFE.

The Announcer says THE PLAYMATES OFTEN APPEAR AT SPECIFIC TIMES TO HELP CHILDREN EXPRESS FEELINGS THEY FIND DIFFICULT COMMUNICATING TO AN ADULT.

Angie says SOMETIMES SALLY IS HERE WHEN MADISON'S REALLY SAD, WHEN SHE'S REALLY UPSET, THEY THINKS WE'RE NOT BEING FAIR, SHE CAN'T PLAY ON HER COMPUTER OR WHATEVER, SALLY WILL COME OUT THEN, AND CONSOLE MADISON AND HUG HER AND MAKE HER FEEL BETTER AND SHE'LL TELL SALLY HOW HER MOM'S MAKING HER FEEL REALLY SACHLT MY COUSIN HAD AN IMAGINARY FRIEND WHEN SHE WAS 3. IT REALLY DIDN'T ALARM ME. WHEN SHE STARTED TO HURT OR HIT HER BROTHER, THAT'S WHEN IT ALARMED ME A LITTLE. HOW FAR IS IT GOING TO GO?

The Announcer says ONE OF THE MOST FREQUENT USE OF AN IMAGINARY FRIEND IS FOR BLAME. A PARENT IS IN A VERY GIF CIRCUMSTANCE AT THAT POINT BECAUSE I THINK FAST IMPORTANT TO RESPECT THE IMAGINARY FRIEND AS A FRIEND FOR IF THE CHILD.

Angie says THE HARDEST THING FOR ME WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO MADISON THAT I UNDERSTAND SALLY'S VERY REAL TO HER BUT WHEN SHE'S HURTING HER BROTHER, THEN SHE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT SALLY DIDN'T USE HER HAND TO HIT HER BROTHER THAT SHE USED HER OWN HAND. SO MADISON IS THE PERSON THAT NEEDS TO HELP SALLY UNDERSTAND NOT TO HURT HER BROTHER. IT'S REALLY REALLY HARD TO EXPLAIN IS TO HER, BECAUSE SHE REALLY BELIEVES THAT SALLY IS REAL AND SHE'S A REAL PERSON SO IT'S REALLY HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND HOW.

The Announcer says MANY PARENTS WORRY THAT HAVING AN IMAGINARY PLAYMATE IS THE NOT NORMAL AND DRAWS THE CHILD TOO FAR OUT OF THE REAL WORLD.

Donna says IMAGINARY PLAYMATES VARY FROM BEING SOMEWHAT ALARMING ON THE PATHOLOGICAL END TO BEING VERY HELPFUL AND FRIENDLY ON THE HEALTHIER END. ONE OF THE DANGER SIGNS IS WHERE A CHILD IS PREFERRING TO PLAY WITH AN IMAGINARY FRIEND IN INCREASING AMOUNTS OF TIME. SO THE CHILD IS CHOOSING IMAGINARY FRIEND ACTIVITIES OVER OTHER SOCIAL ACTIVITIES IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE A CHILD IS RETREATING FROM REAL RELATIONSHIPS. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I WOULD SERIOUSLY WORRY ABOUT.

Angie says I THINK MADISON PLAYS REALLY WELL WITH SALLY WHEN THEY'RE DOWN STAIRS... I TALK ABOUT HER LIKE SHE'S ACTUALLY A PERSON BUT WHEN THEY PLAY DOWNSTAIRS, SHE REALLY PLAYS REALLY WELL. SHE'S QUITE CONTENT AND SHE'LL SIT DOWN DISPAIRS READ BOOKS TO SALLY FOR HOURS ON END SO I THINK SALLY'S REALLY BROUGHT OUT THE INDEPENDENCE IN MADISON AND MADE HER A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE IN PLAY AND MADE HER WHO SHE IS NOW.

The Announcer says AS CHILDREN MATURE, THEIR IMAGINARY FRIENDS DISAPPEAR, BUT THE IMAGINARY LIFE THEY'VE DEVELOPED CAN FEED THEIR CAREERS AS ADULTS. FOR WELL-KNOWN COMIC, ACTRESS AND RADIO HOST CARLA COLLINS, THIS WAS CERTAINLY THE CASE.

Carla, the blond woman in her thirties, plays with a dog and says ALL RIGHT! FANTASTIC!

Pictures of Carla as a baby flash by.

A caption reads "Carla Collins. Comic, Radio Host."

Carla says I HAD MANY MANY IMAGINARY FRIENDS. AS LEGEND HAS IT APPARENTLY 72. THAT'S WHAT MY MOM TOLD THE DOCTOR WHEN SHE WAS WORRY ABOUT IT. SO I... ALTHOUGH I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOME WERE JUST PAGEARY ACQUAINTANCES, BECAUSE REALLY WHO THE TIME OR NRGE GENTLEMEN FOR 72 FRIENDS. I DON'T THINK I EVEN KNEW ALL THEIR NAMES.

As she pets her dog she says THIS IS A REAL DOG, RIGHT.

The Announcer says THESE IMAGINARY PLAYMATES CAME BACK TO PLAY A ROLE IN CARLA'S NEW COMEDY DVD.

Carla says I BASED IT ON YOUR IMAGINARY FRIENDS AS A CHILD. AND THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK TO VISIT ME, THEY CAMED BACK TO HAUNT ME.

The Announcer says ACCLAIMED CHILDREN'S AUTHOR AND NOVEL PIS RICHARD SCRIMGER ATTRIBUTES HIS SUCCESS TO THE FACT HE WAS GIVEN TIME TO INDULGE HIS IMAGINATION AS A CHILD.

The man in his thirties reappears, with a caption that reads "Richard Scrimger. Children's Author and Novelist."

Richard says WHEN ANY AUTHOR CREATES A CHARACTER THEY ARE CREATING SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT THERE TO BEGIN WITH FROM RAW MATERIALS AT HAND. BITS OF YOUR WORLD, BITS OF YOUR OWN BACKGROUND AND YOUR OWN FAMILY LIFE THAT ARE SORT OF PUT TOGETHER WITH THE IMAGINATION AS A KIND OF GLUE TO HOLD IT TOGETHER TO CRATE A IF I CAN VICIOUS CHARACTER.

The Announcer says NOW WITH CHILDREN OF HIS OWN, HE ENSURES THAT THEY HAVE TIME TO GIVE FREE REIGN TO THEIR IMAGINATIONS.

Richard says MY CHILDREN STILL ENGAGE IN IMAGINARY PLAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NO LONGER TWO AND THREE AND DID AND FOUR YEARS OLD. CERTAINLY THE TWO YOUNGER ONES ARE QUITE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH A DOLL HOUSE OR A FORT AND BUILD ALL SORTS OF PAGEARY GAMES AROUND THAT ONE SET PIECE.

The Announcer says EXPERTS SAY THE KEY TO ENSURING CHILDREN'S HEALTHY IMAGINATIVE LIFE IS TO PROVIDE THEM WITH DOWN TIME.

Donna says THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY, MAKING PARENTS THINK THAT BY BUYING THIS TOY, BY PARTICIPATING IN THIS EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE, THEIR CHILD WILL BECOME BRIGHTER, MORE CREATIVE. THE OPPOSITE IS PROBABLY TRUE. SO PARENTS WHO OVERPROGRAMME THEIR KIDS GET THEM INVOLVED IN LOTS OF ACTIVITY, THINKING THAT THAT WILL ACTUALLY ENHANCE THEIR COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT IN THE SOME WAY ARE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE.

The Announcer says LETTING YOUR KIDS' IMAGINATION BLOSSOM MAY INVOLVE FEWER ACTIVITIES THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY THE NORM BUT IT ALL PACE OFF IN TIME.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Mary says AND PLANET PARENT CAN BE SEEN SATURDAY AFTERNOONS AT 3 p.m. RIGHT HERE ON TVO.
WHEN YOU THINK OF OTTAWA, NO DOUBT YOU ENVISION OUR DIGNIFIED PARLIAMENT BUILDINGS NOT WIG WHAMS OR TEEPEES. BUT NESTLED IN THE HEART OF OUR CAPITAL CITY IN THE SHADOW OF PARLIAMENT HILL IS AN ATTRACTION CALLED ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCES.

A picture shows a structure that resembles a tipi, set up by a lake.

Mary says TRINA SAMARD IS THE FOUNDER WHICH DEVELOPED ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCES AND SHE JOINS ME NOW TO TALK ALL ABOUT THIS NEXT INSTALLMENT IN OUR PLACES OF ONTARIO SERIES.

Trina is in her late thirties, with straight brown hair in a short bob and bangs. She's wearing a blue jacket over a striped pink blouse and a silver pendant necklace.

Mary says WELCOME TRINA. SO TELL ME, WHAT EXACTLY IS TURTLE ISLAND TOUR SNIMPL.

The caption changes to "Trina Mather-Simard. Aboriginal Experiences."

Trina says TURTLE ISLAND TOURISM IS THE COMPANY THAT COORDINATES ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCES AND WE CALLED IT TURTLE ISLAND TO REPRESENT ALL OF NORTH AMERICA AND THE REASON BEING, IT'S ACTUALLY A LEGEND OF CREATION, A TURTLE RISING FROM THE SEA WORLD, THE ROLL ROLE OF BEING WATER WORLD AND SEA WORLD AND STRETCHING OUT THE TAIL BEING SOUTH AMERICA IN THE SHAPE OF A TURTLE SO IT'S A LEGEND I ALWAYS THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S COMMON ACROSS MANY NATIONS.

Mary says RIGHT AND WHAT EXACTLY IS ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCES.

Trina says ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCE IS THE ATTRACTION WE DEVELOPED AS PART OF TURTLE ISLAND IN OTTAWA AND IT'S AN ABORIGINAL ATTRACTION IN THE HEART OF OTTAWA AND IT'S, I GUESS WHAT YOU WOULD TERM A NATIVE VILLAGE OF SORTS WITH YOU WE DO ABORIGINAL CULTURAL EXPERIENCES FOR VISITORS AND STUDENTS AND THAT TO COME INTO OUR CAPITAL REGION.

Mary says WHEN WAS THIS ESTABLISHED?

Trina says THE TURTLE ISLAND TOURISM STARTED IN JANUARY OF 98 AND WE'RE NOW IN OUR FOURTH SEASON FOR ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCES.

Mary says IS IT WELL KNOWN?

Trina says NO, IT'S NOT WELL KNOWN, MORE I THINK INTERNATIONALLY THAN LIKELY WHICH IS A REAL CHALLENGE FOR US.

Mary says I WAS JUST IN OTTAWA A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND I DID ACTUALLY CROST CROSS THE BRIDGE AND CROSS THE ISLAND WHERE ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCES... NOT KNOWING THAT IT WAS THERE.

Another picture shows a tipi set up in a lawn.

Trina says WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANYTHING UP YET WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY. OUR SIGNAGE GOES UP CLOSER TO JUNE, AND... BUT WE'VE DEFINITELY BEEN GROWING... WE'VE BEEN ININCREASING, DOUBLING IN NUMBERS EVERY YEAR WITH INTERNATIONAL VISITORS AND STUDENT GROUPS AND THAT BUT WE'RE STILL REALLY WORKING ON OTT LOCAL CANADIAN MARKET KNOWING THAT WE'RE THERE.

Mary says WELL IT'S INTERESTING. YOU SAY THAT INTERNATIONALS KNOW YOU MORE THAN LOCALS. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING OVER FROM EUROPE, LET'S SAY, WHAT KIND INTEREST DO THEY HAVE IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

Trina says I WOULD SAY ORIGINALLY WHEN WE BEGAN, I THINK WE FOCUSED OUR MARKETING ON THE EUROPEAN MARKET. BECAUSE CANADIAN TOURISM COMMISSION AND THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO REALLY TARGETED THAT AS A KEY INTEREST IN WHY THEY COME TO CANNOT JUST ONTARIO BUT ALL ACROSS CANADA. THEY COME HERE TO EXPERIENCE ABORIGINAL CULTURE. SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THE GERMAN MARKET, U.K., BUT GERMANS HAVE A VERY VERY KEEN INTEREST IN ABORIGINAL CULTURE.

Mary says WHY?

Trina says ACTUALLY, NOW HERE I AM. I FORGET THE NAME OF THE AUTHOR. THERE IS AN AUTHORITY WHO WROTE BOOKS FROM GERMANY. HE WROTE NOVELS ABOUT NATUREIVE LIFE AND CULTURE AND ALL THE THE... ALL THE CHILDREN STUDIED THIS IN SCHOOL.

Mary says ABOUT DISMN.

Trina says YEAH, CANADA. YOU CAN GO TO GERMANY, AND THEY HAVE SO MUCH INTEREST WHEN WE GO TO TRADE SHOWS THERE AND ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE. THEY HAVE SOCIAL DLAUBS HOLD POWWOW EVENTS AND NATIVE SPEAKERS GO INTO THEIR SCHOOL, TEACH ABOUT THE SONG DANCE LANGUAGE. YOU'LL FIND GERMAN PEOPLE THAT KNOW NATIVE LANCE AND QUITE HONESTLY, WE OFTEN FIND THAT IN OLDER MARKETS, GERMANS PROBABLY KNOW MORE THAN MORE CANADIAN AND AMERICANS ABOUT THE CULTURE.

Mary says DO WE GOAT GET A LOT OF AMERICAN VISITORS?

Trina says WE'RE STARTING TO. I THINK IT WAS MORE HOW WE MARKETED IT THAT ATTRACTED MORE INTERNATIONAL VISITORS BECAUSE I THINK THAT GROWING UP MYSELF IN SHOULD WITH A AND IT BEING PART EVER MY OWN CONSULT TOUR, I'M HALF BRITISH AND HALF OJIBWE, WE FORGOT IT WAS NEW TO MANY CANADIANS.

Mary says BEGAN THE BUSINESS, RIGHT?

Trina says RIGHT SO WE BEGAN THE BUSINESS AND PROMOTED IT TO EUROPE AND ASIAN MARKETS, THINKING PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO SEE THE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF CANADIAN HISTORY BEFORE PARLIAMENT AND ALL OF THAT AND AS WE WERE GOING I REALLY REALISED THAT IT WAS A NEW AND UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO CANADIAN VISITORS, TOO. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE STUDIED IN SCHOOL OR HAD A LOT OF ACCESS TOO SO OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.

Mary says WHAT INTERESTS KNEE, I GUESS PARTICULARLY WITH THE AMERICAN MARKET AND MEDIA AND DECISION HOW ABORIGINALS HAVE BEEN PORTRAYED, RIGHT, IT'S PERHAPS NOT EVEN THEY KNOW NOTHING, BUT THEY HAVE A IS ACCUSED... NOT JUST AMERICANS, BUT PEOPLE WATCH TV AND SEE OLD FILMS AND MOVIES. DO YOU HAVE FINE THIS?

Trina says VERY MUCH. WE BATTLE THE HOLLYWOOD TYPE IMAGE.

Mary says WHAT DO THEY SAY WHEN THEY SHOW UP?

Trina says FIRST THING THEY STAY AT THE NATIVE, WE... NATIVE STAFF AT THE FRONT AND SAID WE CAME TO SEE SOME INDIANS? WHERE ARE THE INDIANS? AND OUR STAFF, THEY SAY I AM, I'M A CONTEMPORARY NATIVE PERSON. THEY GET TO SEE US AS A CONTEMPORARY REAL PEOPLE. WE GREET THEM AND TOUR THEM IN WHAT'S CALLED RIBBONCHURCH WHICH IS MORE OF A COULDN'T TEMP REQUIRE RAE TYPE DRESS AND THEY TYPICALLY CONSIDER OUR OUTFITS TO BE IS WHAT WE WEAR JUST TO DANCE. WHEN WE DO OUR DANCING PROGRAMMES ON SITE THEY DO GET TO SEE THE FEATHER HEADPIECES AND THE FULL RECOGNIZE GAILIA, AS WE CALL IT.

Mary says RIGHT, HERE WE GO. SO TELL ME WHAT EXACTLY DO VISITORS SEE WHEN THEY SHOW UP?

In a picture three people pose by a tipi on a sunny day wearing traditional native outfits.

Trina says IN OTTAWA WE'VE DIVERSE ABORIGINAL COMMUNITY FROM ALL ACROSS CANADA. THERE'S 30,000 ABORIGINAL PEOPLE LIVING IN OTTAWA FROM MANY DIFFERENT NATIONS SO WHAT WE HAVE ON SITE IS DISPLAYS THAT REFLECT A LITTLE BIT OF THE DIFFERENT CULTURES, TEEPEES, WIG WHAM, LONG HOUSE THE SIX NATION, TOTEM POLE. WE INTRODUCE A BIT OF THE DIFFERENT CULTURES.

Mary says HOW MANY CULTURES WOULD YOU REPRESENT THEN ON THE SITE.

Another picture shows a man in an ornate feathered outfit speaking with a woman and a girl.

Trina says WELL IT VARIES WITH EACH YEAR. BUT REALLY I'D SAY WE REPRESENT THE FOUR MAIN DISTINCT GROUPS. A LITTLE BIT OF THE WESTCOAST, A LITTLE BIT OF THE WOODLAND, SIX MAKESES AND NORTH. WE HAVE STAFF FROM THE MI'KMAQ... MIGMA NATIONS OF THE EAST.

Mary says IS THIS THE SAME THING WHEN I GO TO EUROPE AND DO EUROPE IN TEN DAYS?

Trina says IT WOULD BE REALLY SIMILAR, I THINK AND WE REALLY TRY AND FOCUS ON JUST GIVING AN INTRODUCTION. IF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CULTURES THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXPOSED TO ALL OF OUR CULTURES AS NATIVE PEOPLE ARE VERY DIVERSE AND I THINK THAT THEY GET A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THAT WHEN THEY ARRIVE AT THE SITE, HOW DIFFERENT THE PEOPLE AND THE LANGUAGES AND THE CULTURE REALLY WAS. THERE'S DEFINITELY EXPERIENCES ALL ACROSS CANADA WHERE THEY CAN GO AND HAVE AN IN-DEPTH EXPERIENCE IN THE COMMUTE WITH THE PEOPLE.

Mary says HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE AS WELL THAT THIS IS AN AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCE FOR THEM?

Trina says WE'VE TAKEN I THINK GREAT STEPS TO ENSURE IT'S AN AUTHENTIC EXPERIENCE. THE FACT THAT IT'S ALL NATIVE STAFFED, ALL OF OUR STAFF ARE OF DIFFERENT NATIVE BACKGROUND, THIS IS OUR OWN CULTURE THEY'RE SHARING FROM OUR OWN PERSPECTIVE AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH A COUNCIL OF GRANDMOTHERS WHO TAKE CARE OF VICTORIA I'LL LAND AND WE WORK WITH KNOWS ELDERS TO ENSURE THAT WHAT WE'RE SHARING IS SHARED IN A WAY THAT'S POSITIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY, REINFORCING THE CULTURAL DEVELOPMENT, RATHER THAN SELLING OUT SO WE'VE SET BOUNDARIES ON WHAT WE'RE REALLY COMFORTABLE IN SHARING AND SPIRITUALITY BEING ONE OF THOSE, ONE OF OUR MAIN PROGRAMMES THAT WE DO AT ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCES IS TRADITIONAL DANCING AND FOODS SO OF COURSE THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SPIRITUALITY THAT'S SHARED THROUGH OUR DANCE. BUT WE SHARE IT JUST IN THAT MEANS AND NOT IN TERMS IT OF.

Mary says THAT'S INTERESTING. I KNOW YOU'VE SAID SPIRITUALITY AND POLITICS IT. THESE ARE AREAS IN@AN AREA THAT'S LIMITED. IS THAT RIGHT?

Trina says IN DEFINITELY. IT'S A CULTURAL EXPERIENCE... I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT LINE FOR MANY REASONS, ONE BEING A TOURISM SPOT IS IN THE A PLACE TO GO AND HAVE A SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE. I'D SAY OUR YOUNG STAFF AREN'T IN A POSITION TO BE SHARING SPIRITUALITY WALL OR CULTURAL SPIRITUALITY. IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO KIND OF STAY APART, FROM I GUESS. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT TO GO IN, PAY YOUR MONEY FOR A NATIVE TOUR, DANCE AND FOOD AND THEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF SPIRITUAL ELEMENT.

Mary says AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE WHOLE AUTHENTIC AND DOING IS IT PROPERLY.

Trina says EXACTLY. TOO ENSURE THIS IS AROUND FOR GENERATIONS TO COME AND A IT'S IMPACTING OUR GHUNT A POSITIVE WAY.

Mary says YOU MENTIONED THE O.D.A.L.A. NATIVE FRIENDSHIP CENTRE WHAT EXACT SEELY IS THAT?

Trina says WE'RE IN PARTNER VIP WITH THEM. THEY'RE A NON-PROFIT NATIVE COMMUNITY CENTRE AND THERE'S FRIENDSHIP CENTERS ALL ACROSS CANADA IN AN URBAN AREA. IT'S BASICALLY AN AREA THAT PROVIDES EMPLOYMENT, TRAINING. FAMILY SUPPORT PROGRAMMES, IT BRINGS... FROM PEOPLE THAT COME FROM COMMUNITY, IT CRATES ANOTHER NATIVE COMMUNITY THERE FOR THEM. THEY'RE NOT FAR FROM THE OFFICE, THEY'RE ON SCOTT AND STERLING, NEAR...

Mary says OKAY AND THE ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCE ITSELF IS RIGHT ON VICTORIA ISLAND. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T EVEN REALISE THERE'S AN ISLAND IN OTTAWA, RIGHT?

Trina says IT'S TRUE. PEOPLE STAND THEREBY AND GO "WOW!" I HAD NO IDEA THERE'S AN ISLAND HERE. IT'S VERY TUCKED AWAY, IT'S A VERY EXTREME LITTLE SPOT THERE.

Mary says AND I GUESS THE SCOOP IS, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE SCHOOL SEASON IS OVER, YOU'RE BUSIEST TIME, RIGHT?

Trina says YES, VERY BUSY.

Mary says WHAT GREAT TIME TO GO, IT'S THE SUMMER WHEN THINGS SLOW DOWN.

Trina says THAT'S RIGHT, WE'RE OPEN FROM PUBLIC JUNE 15th TO THE END OF SEPTEMBER. SEPTEMBER 30th AND DURING THAT TIME WE DO GUIDED TOURS OF THE VILLAGE. WE DO A LUNCH PROGRAMME THAT'S VERY POPULAR WITH FAMILIES, BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF ALL FLAVOURS. THEY DO THE TOUR, A NATIVE LUNCH, SO YOU CAN SAMPLE BUFFALO OR SMOKED SVENSON, WITH WILD RICE AND WE DO THE DANCE AND IT'S ALL AUTHENTIC OUTTILTS AS WELL SO THESE ARE ONES THEY'VE RECRATED, WE WOULD WEAR TO POWWOWS AND THEY GET A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING OF THE DRUM AND DANCE AND GET TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE FRIENDSHIP DANCE. IT'S WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE WITH FAMILIES.

Mary says ALL THE BEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TREEN FROM NAH FOR COMING IN AND SHARING IT WITH US. TRINA SIMARD IS THE FOUNDER OF ABORIGINAL EXPERIENCES IN OTTAWA. FOR MORE INFORMATION...

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Mary says But that's it for our show today. Thank you for watching, and please join us each weekday, Monday to Friday, for More to Life at 1 o'clock.

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