Transcript: Tourism, Nudism | Jun 17, 2003

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A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Life. Words spin against a red and orange background: Health, Family, Home, Money, Fitness, Life. Fast clips show images related to the previous concepts, such as a dollar bill, a wheat field, and strands of DNA.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Mary Ito sits in a studio with textured yellow walls and plants in the background.

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a pink cardigan over a white blouse, and a thin pearl necklace.

Mary says GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM MARY ITO. WELCOME TO MORE TO LIFE. LATER IN THE SHOW, UNCOVERING NUDISM. WHAT'S THE REAL STORY BEHIND HAD WAY OF LIFE? WE'LL FIND OUT. FIRST LET'S UNCOVER YOUR SUMMER PLANS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON YOUR VACATION? NO PLANS YET. I HAVE AN IDEA. HOW ABOUT A PLACE THAT'S NOT TOO FAR WITH AN EXCELLENT EXCHANGE RATE. IT'S A PLACE THAT OFFERS WHALE WATCHING, CANOING, HIKING, THEATRE, FABULOUS MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT AND FANTASTIC FOOD. NO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE EAST OR THE WEST COAST, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I'M TALKING ABOUT OUR OWN BEAUTIFUL PROVINCE OF ONTARIO. HERE TODAY ARE TWO PEOPLE THAT KNOW THEIR WAY AROUND THE PROVINCE. HELEN IS WITH TOURISM ONTARIO AND TRICIA WITH TOURISM TORONTO.

Helen is in her thirties, with wavy brown hair tied back. She's wearing glasses and a gray sweater over a black shirt.
Tricia is in her thirties, with straight blond hair in a bob. She's wearing a teal suit.

Mary continues THEY ARE HERE TO TAKE YOUR CALLS, PHONE IN KP TELL BUS YOUR FAVORITE VACATION SPOTS IN ONTARIO. PERHAPS YOU HAVE HAD A RELATIVE VISITING RECENTLY. WHERE DID YOU TAKE THEM? MAYBE YOU ARE WONDERING WHERE TO TAKE YOUR FAMILY THIS SUMMER AND YOU NEED ADVICE. CALL IN, ASK OUR EXPERTS, THE NUMBER TO DIAL IS...

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary continues WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. THANKS FOR COMING IN.

Helen says THANK YOU.

Mary says Tricia, LET ME START WITH YOU, FIRST. WE HAVE HEARD SO MANY BAD REPORTS ABOUT THE EFFECT OF SARS ON TORONTO. TELL ME HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT TOURISM.

The caption changes to "Tricia Hosking. Tourism Ontario."

Tricia says IT IS ACTUALLY VERY DEVASTATING. THE ONE THING WE HAVE TO REALIZE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AFFECTED BY THE TOURISM INDUSTRY. NOT JUST THE FRONT LINE WORKER IN A HOTEL OR RESTAURANT BUT TAXI DRIVERS AND EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF BUSINESS THAT TOUCHES A TOURIST. EVEN FROM SOMEONE THAT SELLS SOUVENIRS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THEY NEED A CERTAIN SERVICE, IF THE TOURISTS AREN'T HERE. IT FACTS AT LOY MORE THAN YOU THINK BUT AN AMAZING STUDY RELEASED BY KPMG THAT SAID WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO 200 MILLION WORTH.

Mary says I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY, WALKING THROUGH THE MALL AND HAD TO PICK UP A FEW THINGS FOR MY KIDS. EVEN MALLS, TOURISTS COME OUT. I AM SURE RETAIL, CLOTHING, WHATEVER WILL SUFFER BECAUSE THEY COME BECAUSE THE EXCHANGE RATE IS GOOD HERE.

Tricia says EXACTLY.

Helen says DEFINITELY.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT PROVINCIALLY, HELEN, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT AS FAR AS THE PROVINCE GOES?

The caption changes to "Helen Lovekin. Ontario Tourism."

Helen says I THINK THAT THERE IS DEFINITELY AN IMPACT. TORONTO IS SO IMPORTANT NOT JUST TO ONTARIO BUT TO CANADA'S TOURISM INDUSTRY. AND THEREFORE ANYTHING THAT HURTS TORONTO HURTS ALL OF US, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE GREATEST CONCERN OF ONTARIO TOURISM ARE ONTARIO THEMSELVES.

Mary says ISN'T THAT GREAT? SO HOW MUCH, WHAT PERCENTAGE DO WE MAKE OF BEING OUR OWN TOURIST?

Tricia says IN TORONTO AN AVERAGE OF 16 MILLION VISITORS ANNUALY AND ROUGHLY 60 PERCENT COME WITHIN OUR OWN PROVINCE. IT'S HUGE.

Mary says THAT IS GREAT.

Tricia says SO PERFECT TIME TO BE WITH YOU, MAYORY AND TALKING TO THE AUDIENCE.

Mary says IN MY INTRODUCTION I MENTIONED WHALE WATCHING. I BET A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN DO THAT IN ONTARIO. YOU HAVE TO TELL US ABOUT THAT.

Helen says THE COAST.

Mary says SO TELL US.

Helen says SO, ONTARIO IS, THE NORTHERN EDGE, THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE ARCTIC WATER NEJ HUDSON'S BAY.

A map of Ontario pops up.

Mary says THERE WE GO.

Helen says SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY TOP OF ONTARIO, THERE IS A STRIP ALONG THERE CALLED POLAR BEAR PARK, AND YOU CAN GET UP TO. AND THAT IS AN AREA THAT'S REMOTE AND TO GO UP THERE IS THE COMPARABLE AS AN EXOTIC VACATION TO SAY GOING ON A LION WATCHING TRIP IN KENYA. SO, YOU CAN WATCH THE POLAR BEARS UP IN POLAR BEAR PARK OR WATCH THE BUTTER FLIES LEAVE AND ARRIVE AT POINT PEALY OUT OF DETROIT MICHIGAN. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THE SOUTHERN MOST POINT IS SOUTH OF DETROIT AND THE NORTHERN MOST POINT IS ON THE SAME PARALLEL AS SOUTHERN ALASKA.

Mary says WELL THIS WAS A SHOCK TO ME. I AM SORRY FOR MY IGNORE ANS AND THEN HAD TO GO LOOK AT A MAP.

Helen says IT'S TRUE.

Mary says YOU WERE SAYING THE SOUTHERN MOST TIP OF ONTARIO ACTUALLY IS... IS THE SAME LATITUDE AS NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.

Helen says AND THE NORTHERN PART OF ALASKA.

Mary says THAT'S AMAZING. WE DON'T NEED TO GO SOUTH.

Helen says WE HAVE IT ALL RIGHT HERE.

Mary says YOU KNOW, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW AS WELL. WHEN PEOPLE VISIT OTHER COUNTRIES, RIGHT. I AM SURE THEY IS CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS, FOR INSTANCE, WITH TORONTO, CERTAIN KINDS OF MYTHS OR BELIEFS THEY HAVE THAT TURN OUT TO BE INKREEKT WHEN THEY GET HERE. THE ONE THING ABOUT TORONTO, WE ARE ALWAYS KNOWN AS A SAFE AND FRIENDLY CITY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT TORONTO AND THE SIZE OF POPULATION THAT WE DO HAVE.

Tricia says LITERALLY IT'S A THRIVING PE ME TROP TIS SOZ MOW TOL TAINGZ STAN IS THAT DOESN'T SEEP ANYMORE.

The caption changes to "Today's topic: Vacations: Destination Ontario."

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Tricia says WHEN PEOPLE COME TO TORONTO. I THINK THE EX-PEBLING TAINGZS MAY BE, WHEN THEY GET HERE, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. A THRIVING CITY WHERE THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE LIVE IN THE CORE. WHICH IN A LOT OF CITIES PARTICULARLY IN NORTH AMERICA. NONE LIVING DOWNTOWN AND NOT THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE. AT NIGHT FOR EXAMPLE. BUT IN TORONTO WITH EVERYBODY LIVING AND WORKING DOWNTOWN, THAT THEY ARE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED ABOUT THAT. THE OTHER I THINK, TOO. YOU DIET A CHANCE TO MEET LOCAL TORONTOIANS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COME BACK AS WE'RE A VERY FRIENDLY CITY AND THAT GOES A LONG WAY WHEN YOU ABOUT THAT AND THEN GO BACK HOME AND TELL FRIENDS AND FAMILY. WE HAD AN AMAZING TIME AND EVERYBODY WAS SO FRIENDLY. VERY CLEAN AND SAFE CITY.

Mary says WHAT'S THE POPULATION UP TO NOW?

Tricia says THE TORONTO POPULATION OF PROPER 2 IMPORTANT 6 MILLION AND THE GTA IS 4.6.

Mary says I DON'T KNOW WHETHER PEOPLE ARE SURPRISED BY THAT EVEN. I HAVE HAD SAY TO ME, I WAS IN TORONTO, DO YOU KNOW HENRY JONES?

Tricia says YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT STILL DOES HAPPEN. WE'RE THE FIFTH LARGEST CITY IN NORTH AMERICA

Mary says NOW I HAVE TO SAY WITH ONTARIO AND GEOGRAPHICALLY, HOW WE COVER SO MUCH SPACE, DO YOU GET TOURISTS COMING TO YOU FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, WE'LL JUST QUICKLY DRIVE UP TO THUNDER BAY.

Helen says YES. EVEN AMERICANS WITH SUCH A LARGE COUNTRY DOESN'T APPRECIATE THE NATURE OF DISTANCES. PEOPLE ARE DRIVING ALONG THIS SORT OF HUMP OF LAKE SUPERIOR THAT'S A MAGNIFICENT BUT LONG DRIVE. AND YOU REALLY SHOULD BREAK TUP. NO, WE'LL JUST DRIVE FROM WINNIPEG TO TORONTO. OKAY.

Tricia says HOW MANY DAYS.

Mary says WHAT DO YOU HEAR FROM TOURISTS IN SPECIFICS HERE. WHAT ARE TORONTO BEST SELLING FEATURES?

Tricia says ONE OF THE BEST SELLING FEATURES, WE HAVE AMAZING THEATRE, WE HAVE FABULOUS ATRACKS THAT ARE VERY UNIQUE TO TO RONTY INCLUDING THE TOWER, THE WORLD'S FALLEST FRE STANDING STRUCTURE.

Mary says CAN WE CLEAR UP AS FAR AS THEATRE. SOME THINGS ARE OFF. SO WHAT DO WE KNOW?

Tricia says AS FAR WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH MAMA MIA. THEY ARE TAKING A SUMMER HIATUS. THEY ARE BACK IN THE FALL AND SELLING TICKETS FOR IT. THE LION KING WILL WRAP UP AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER. AND THE LION KING ENJOYED A THREE YEAR RUN, PLAYED, I THINK 2.3 MILLION PEOPLE. SO THRILLED A LOT OF AUDIENCE MEMBERS IN TORONTO. BUT ALWAYS SOMETHING NEW IN TORONTO THEATRE WISE. WE ALSO HAVE A FABULOUS ORGANIZE CALLED THE TORONTO THEATRE ALLIANCE. AND AT ANY GIVEN TIME OVER 70 THEATRICAL PRUKS HAPPEN NOTHING TORONTO. SO THE MAIN STAGE BROAD WAY STYLE SHOWS THAT ARE VERY POPULAR BUT ALSO PLACES LIKE THE CANADIAN STAGE COMPANY. SOUL PEPPER THEATRE, THE FACTORY THEATRE, I CAN'T NAME ALL THE THEATRES BUT IT'S DYNAMIC FOR THEATRE AND A GREAT PLACE TO COME FOR THAT.

Helen says AND FOR THE PROVINCE. JUST JUMP IN AND ADD, THE ALLIANCE CALLED JUST THE TICKET. IT IS, AN UMBRELLA GREW OF ALL OF THE WONDERFUL SUMMER FESTIVALS, SO WHEN YOU SEE THE PLAYS IN TORONTO AND SOME IS THIS TIME AND WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH STRATFORD, BUT THERE IS ALSO WONDERFUL COMPANIES LIKE THE FOURTH LINE COMPANY OUT. DOES SPECIALIZES IN ONLY CANADIAN PLAYS AND THE RED BARN, I THINK 54 YEARS OLD NOW.

Mary says YEAH, THE RED BARN. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF SINGLES IN THE PROVINCE, SINGLE PEOPLE, AND THEY MAY WANT TO GO TO EVENTS, THEY MAY WANT TO TRAVEL IN ONTARIO BUT, THEY FEEL A LITTLE HESITANT BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THEIR OWN. I KNOW. I HAVE SEEN THINGS OFFERED SPECIFICALLY FOR SINGLES, I BELIEVE, BUT THEATRE. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT?

Tricia says YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION. IF YOU ARE, A SOLO TRAVELER THAT IN MY PAST I WAS ALWAYS A SOLO TRAVELER. I CHOSE TO TRAVEL THAT WAY FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, BUT YOU CAN GET THE BEST TICKETS IN THE HOUSE IF YOU ARE SINGLE, YOU BUY A SINGLE TICKET. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I ALWAYS RECOMMEND TO PEOPLE. IF YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN IS TO CHAT WITH THE PERSON AT YOUR HOTEL, FIND OUT WHAT'S IN AND AROUND YOUR AREA FOR HOTEL, STAYING IN A HOTEL. THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS, YOU CAN ALWAYS CALL THE CONVENTION VISITOR'S BUREAU OR THE TOWN YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN. WHAT ARE THEIR RECOMMEND EGGS? SAY, I AM BY MYSELF, TRAVELING WITH MYSELF, THE WAY I LIKE TO PUT IT, WHAT CAN I SEE AND DO? I LIKE TO GO OUT AND MEET SOME PEOPLE.

Mary says WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO GO SW W SOMEONE WITH LIKE INTEREST. I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THINGS OFFERED FOR, IN THAT AREA, RIGHT?

Helen says IF YOU WANT TO HOOK UP WITH A COMPANION, WALKING TOURS FOR EXAMPLE AND THEY TELL YOU, THAT IT IS GOING TO BE A SINGLES AND SO, ON THURSDAY, OR SUNDAY, OR WHENEVER THE TIME IS, THAT'S WHO IS GOING. AND SO...

Tricia says I KNOW, IN FACT, THERE ARE TRAVEL WEB SITE THAT SPECIALIZE IN SINGLE TRAVEL. SO THEY THEY MAY BE, IN FACT, HAVE A LIST OF SITUATIONS OF WHAT TO DO IF YOU ARE IN THE CITY OR MAYBE TO CALL A TOUR, MAYBE PART OF A TOUR TRIP WHERE YOU GET ON THE BUS OR A PLANE TOGETHER AND THEN YOU GO AND TRAVEL AND EXPERIENCE THE CITY OR THE REGION. AS A SINGLE. THAT IS A GREAT IDEA AND GREAT PLACE TO SEE A CITY.

Mary says LET ME REMIND OUR VIEWERS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TOURISM IN TORONTO AND THROUGHOUT ONTARIO. GIVE US A CALL TODAY. WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR, MAYBE SECRET SPOTS, YOUR FAVORITE SPOTS IN ONTARIO OR, YOU CAN SHARE THEM WITH US. OR MAYBE DOING VACATION PLANING AND YOU WOULD LIKE SOME SUGGESTIONS FROM OUR GUEST TODAY. THE NUMBER...

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Mary says WE HAVE CARLY ON LINE.

The caller says HI. YOU HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO RENT A COTTAGE IN NORTHERN ONTARIO.

Helen says IT DEPENDS. ANSWER A QUERY. THE THEY SEEM FOUR PEOPLE DIVIDE THAT 1200 BY 4 AND YOU GET IT. I MUST SAY THAT IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A NICE LITTLE SPOT GO ON LINE AND THEY ARE BOOKED UP QUICKLY. WWW.ONTARIOTRAVEL.NET.

Mary says GET RIGHT THROUGH INTO I AM JUST CURIOUS. YOU ARE... SO, TELL ME WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT BEAMSVILLE OR THE AREA AROUND THERE. ANYTHING THAT WOULD DRAW ME OVER THERE?

The caller says WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE NIAGARA REGION SO MANY WINERYS AROUND HERE AND EVERYTHING. WE'RE NEAR THE FESTIVAL, ONLY 45 MINUTES FROM THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT IS REALLY NICE DOWN HERE. WE HAVE THE ESCARPMENT WE CAN HIKE ON AND STUFF.

Mary says EXCELLENT. ON THE SPOT. SAMPLING OF THE WINELY?

Mary says THANK YOU, CARLY. EXCELLENT AMBASSADOR, I MUST SAY. I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW, HELEN, WHERE DO MOST OF OUR TOURISTS COME FROM IN ONTARIO?

Helen says MOST OF OUR TOURISTS COME FROM HEIGHT HERE IN ONTARIO.

Mary says I MEANT IF COMING FROM ABROAD, IF THEY'RE COMING FROM AWAY.

Helen says THE FIRST LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM AWAY ARE AMERICANS. ONTARIO HAS THE LION SHARE OF THE AMERICAN TOURISTS. THE NEXT GROUP WOULD BE FROM THE UK, FROM ENGLAND, IRELAND, SCOTLAND. AND AFTER THAT, I BELIEVE IT IS FRANCE, GERMANY, ITALY AND THE FASTEST GROWING MARKET RIGHT NOW OVERSEAS IS MEXICO.

Mary says MEXICO?

Helen says YES.

Mary says INTERESTING.

Mary says WHAT BRINGS THEM UP HERE?

Helen says THEY LOVE TO SHOP. SHOPPING IS HUGE.

Tricia says THEY LIKE TO HAVE THE DIFFERENT SEASONS. THEY CAN COME IN ALTERNATE SEASONS.

Mary says OH, THE COLD, LET'S GO TO ONTARIO. WE ALWAYS WANT WHAT WE CAN'T HAVE.

Tricia says WHEN IT IS HOZ AT CAN BE. WHAT'S BETTER THAN COMING TO TO RONT SKPO TO ONTARIO? IT'S GREAT.

Mary says I WOULD LOVE... TELL US ABOUT WITH DIFFERENT CULTURES, WHETHER THE UK OR GERMANY OR WHERE... ASIA EVEN, ARE THERE SPECIFIC ATRACKS IN ONTARIO THAT THEY COME FOR? WHAT DO THEY PARTICULARLY LIKE?

Helen says AS YOU MENINGED, THE GERMAN MARKET IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT ABORIGINAL TOURISM. AND THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED TO SEE ABORIGINAL CULTURAL EXPERIENCES AND TO GO INTO PLACES WHERE BASICALLY, THIS'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING. SO, AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER. AM ON THE EDGE OF HUDSON BAY AND THAT A VERY EXOTIC SPOT BUT THE ISLAND...

Mary says I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. I KNOW ABOUT THAT ANNUAL POWWOW. I KEEP SAYING, DEFINITELY GOING TO GO THERE AND I WILL GO THERE ONE YEAR. TELL BUS THIS POWWOW.

Helen says THERE IS AN ANNUAL POWWOW DURING THE AUGUST LONG WEEKEND FERMENT AND THE ISLAND IS VERY SPECIAL PLACE TO GO. IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE A PARTICULARLY SACRED SPOT. IT'S ALSO THE LARGEST FRESH WATER LAKE... ISLAND IN THE WORLD.

Mary says WOW? THE LARGEST FRESH WATER ISLAND IN THE WORLD.

Helen says YEAH, WHO KNEW? IT'S A PLACE NOT ONLY BEAUT TOFL LOOK AT BUT THE SPIRIT OF THE PLACE IS EXCEPTIONAL.

Mary says AND I HEARD THAT, THE NATIVE GROUPS FROM ALL OVER NORTH AMERICA COME, RIGHT?

Helen says ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S ALSO POWWOWS IN THUNDER BAY ON MOUNT MCKAY AND THE LARGE EFFORT OF COURSE IN TORONTO IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS THE GRAND GALLERY.

Mary says YES. SO WHAT ABOUT TORONTO, AS FAR AS DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, PEOPLE COMING. WHAT DO THEY COME FOR?

Tricia says A LOT OF THEM COME FOR THE CITY EXPERIENCE. THEY MAY NOT NECESSARILY COME FROM A LARGE CITY WHERE THEY'RE FROM. BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY'LL OFTEN DO EVERYTHING A BIG CITY HAS TO OFFER AND THEN MAY TAKE DAY TRIPS OR OVER NIGHT TRIPS TO OTHER PARTS, NAG RACHLT YOU COME FOR THE CITY, SPEND A FEW DAYS, SEE A SHOW. SEE A SPORTING EVENT FERMENT AND THEN DINE IN THE FABULOUS FIVE-STAR RESTAURANTS WHERE YOU CAN VIRTUALLY DINE ON FOOD FROM ALL OF THE CONTINENTS.

Mary says WHAT DO PEOPLE SAY ABOUT THE FOOD?

Tricia says BLOWN AWAY BY THE FOOD. EMERIL WAS HERE TWO YEARS AGO DOING SIX SHOWS. HE WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THE, FIRST OF ALL, THE QUALITY OF FOOD AND THE QUALITY AND CALIBER OF FOOD. BUT THE HOW YOU COULD BUY VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED TO COOK HERE IN TORONTO, DIDN'T HAVE TO ORDER THINGS IN OR SPECIAL DELIVERY. HE WOULD GO DOWN. HE WENT DOWN TO THE MARKET AND ST. LAWRENCE MARKET AND COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU COULD GET.

Mary says DID YOU MEET HIM?

Tricia says NO, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY.

Mary says DO YOU GET TO MANY MANY SELECTS OR ARRANGE THINGS FOR THEM?

Tricia says NOT REALLY. MOST OF OUR JOB, WE DEAL WITH VISITORS WHO COME TO THE CITY. WE WORK WITH A LOT OF JOURNALISTS, JOURNALISTS THAT COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND THEY, WHAT WE DO. HELING SKPEN I PLAN ITINERARYS TO MAKE SURE THEY SEE AND DO EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO SEE SO THAT WHEN THEY GO BACK HOME THEY CAN WRITE GREAT STORE ES FOR THE READERS, FOR THE VIEWERS OR LISTENERS. WHAT WE DO, WE TRY AND GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT TORONTO, ONTARIO, WHAT A FABOUS PLACE IT IS TO VISIT.

Mary says NOW I'M CURIOUS. I AM SURE YOU MUST FOLLOW UP AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE WRITING.

Helen says AND THE CNN SCHOTT SHOOT.

Tricia says WHEN THEY CAME TO TORONTO.

Mary says HOW OFTEN IS IT POSITIVE AND HOW OFTEN DO WE GET NEGATIVE?

Tricia says TWO TYPES JOURNALIST. NEWS MEDIA AND TRAVEL MEDIA.

Mary says FRCHLT TRAVEL POINT OF VIEW, AS FAR AS THE TRAVEL EXPERIENCE.

Helen says WHAT'S NEGATIVE TO SAY?

Mary says EXACTLY.

Helen says THAT'S IT.

Tricia says WHAT WE DO, ALWAYS SPEND TIME WITH THE JOURNALIST, TOO. YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE YOU HERE. DOW WANT TO COME AND DO THIS? WHAT ARE YOU SPECIFICLY INTERESTED IN? WE KATE TORE THAT WRITER'S NEED.

Mary says TO BE FAIR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PERFECT AND WE NEED TO IMPROVE.

Helen says WE HAVE BLACK FLIES, YOU KNOW.

Mary says THE THINGS WE CAN CONTROL, HELEN, WHAT DO WE NEED... WHAT DO PEOPLE SAY, WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST COMMON NEGATIVE REMARK THAT COMES UP, WE CAN IMPROVE ON?

Tricia says WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ONE-ON-ONE CONTACT AND I WANT TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE TALK ABOUT EVERYBODY IN TORONTO AND ONTARIO BEING AMBASSADORS FOR THEIR OWN AREA AND NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU NAME IT, BUT IF A TOUR CYST HERE IN TORONTO AND THEY HAVE ONE BAD EXPERIENCE, THEY MAY, IN FACT, GO HOME AND ONLY TALK ABOUT THAT ONE NEGATIVE EXPERIENCE. SO WE HAVE TO REALLY BE KOING ANY SWRANT OF WHAT WE DO FOR TOURISTS. FOR EXAMPLE, I LOVE TO BE ON THE CORNER AND SEE SOMEONE WITH A MAP. HI, CAN I HELP YOU FIND WHERE YOU ARE GOING? COME WITH ME, I'LL TAKE YOU AND IT IS SO FUNNY. MY FRIENDS JUST THINK I'M ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. I LOVE IT AND SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THE CITY.

Mary says THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT. I FIND SOMETIMES WE ARE IN AN AWFUL RUSH IN THE CITY. AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LOOK LOST ON THE STREET AND WE'RE JUST IN SUCH A HURRY, IT WOULD JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO STOP AND HELP SOMEONE OUT.

Helen says THAT IS A VERY NICE POINT. IN FACT, FOR, MOST OF THE CITY'S, THAT ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT I DO GET FROM THE MEDIA. I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW NICE PEOPLE ARE. BECAUSE THEY COME UP ESPECIALLY AMERICANS AND HAVE THIS ALMOST A JOKE ATTITUDE ABOUT BEING PLIGHT. OH, MY GOD, YOU ARE POLITE. THAT'S SO STRANGE.

Tricia says MARY. EXCUSE ME. I'M SO SORE I BUMPED INTO YOU. PEOPLE APOLOGIZE FOR BRUSHING UP AGAINST YOU. SO, IT IS PRETTY UNIQUE IN THAT SENSE. BUT IT TAKES A SECOND TO BE VERY HELPFUL. AND IF YOU DO THAT, THAT CAN BE THE MOST MEMORABLE MOMENT OF THEIR TRIP.

Mary says LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL HERE. WE HAVE DON ON THE LINE. HI, DON.

The caller says HELLO.

Mary says MARY. GO AHEAD.

The caller says HOW ARE YOU DOING?

Mary says GREAT. HOW ARE YOU?

Tricia says IT'S MY DAD.

Mary says IT'S YOUR DAD.

The caller says YOUR DADDY.

Tricia says HI, DAD. TWIN LAKES. MY FAMILY CALLS FROM NORTHERN ONTARIO.

Mary says IS THIS THE ONLY WAY HE CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU WHEN YOU'RE ON TV TV. SHE'S DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB. SHE DOESN'T HAVE TIME TO GO TO THE COTTAGE.

Tricia says WHAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED. YOU NEED COME DOWN FOR A LONG WEEKEND IN TORONTO. I WAS AT THE BLUEJAYS CAME LAST FRIDAY NIGHT AND THEY ARE DOING SO WELL AND I TELL YOU, IT WAS SUCH A POSITIVE FEELING BEING THERE IN THE CROWD. AND WHEN ESCOBAR ACTUALLY LEFT THE MOUND, EVERYBODY STOOD UP AND GAVE HIM A STANDING OVATION AND EVERYBODY WAS CLAPING AND CHEERING. I HAVEN'T FELT THAT EXPERIENCE AT A BLUEJAYS GAME FOR QUITE SOMETIME AND IT IS, IT IS TIME TO GET AND OUT ENJOY TORONTO, SO DAD, YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN, STAY WITH ME OR I'LL GET YOU A GREAT HOTEL. WE HAVE FABULOUS DEALS IN TORONTO AND YOU AND I ARE GOING TO SEE A BASEBALL GAME.

Mary says THAT'S A PROMISE. WE HAVE THAT ON TAPE. WHERE ARE YOU CALLING FROM AGAIN? DON? I THINK HE'S LEFT. YEAH, ANYWAY...

Tricia says BYE DAD.

Mary says WHERE IS HE PHONING

Tricia says IT'S ABOUT AN HOUR HALF NORTH OF NORTH BAY. AND IT IS OUR FAMILY COTTAGE. BUT, I MEAN, IT IS SO PRIS TEEN AND BEAUTIFUL. WHITE SAND, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LAKE. SPRING FED. AND IT IS SO CLOSE TO NATURE BUT IT'S WORTH THE DRIVE, TOO.

Mary says NOW TELL ME HOW OFTEN DO YOU GET THERE?

Tricia says I TRY TO GET THERE AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER BECAUSE WINTERS ARE VERY HARSH AND MY FATHER LIVES IN NORTH BAY, ANOTHER GREAT PLACE TO VISIT. HE COMES DOWN QUITE OFTEN. I AM REALLY KIND OF...

Mary says THAT WAS NICE. IF SOMEBODY WAS LOOKING FOR A TOUR OF ONTARIO, WE CAN'T DO IT ALL, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST ARE THE REALLY IMPORTANT OR ESSENTIAL, YOU KNOW, COMPONENTS?

Helen says ESSENTIAL ONTARIO. WELL IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF THE CITY, AN IDEA OF SORT OF COUNTRY TOURING OPPORTUNITIES, WE HAVE AND AN IDEA OF THE WILD AM SO, SPOING YOU WERE TO ARRIVE IN TORONTO AND YOU HAD 4 DAYS AND SPEND A COUPLE OF DAYS IN TORONTO, GETING TO GOOD RESTAURANTS, SEE SOME PLAYS AND THEN PERHAPS, TAKE THE CAR OUT TO NIAGARA ON THE LAKES, SEE BOTH NIAGARA AND NIAGARA ON THE LAKE. YOU COULD STAY IN NIAGARA ON THE LAKE AND GO TO THE SHAW FESTIVAL. LOOK AT WINERYS, SAM EL WINERYS AND THEN, THE NEXT THING YOU COULD DO IS GET BACK ON THE HIGHWAY AND GO UP THE 400 TO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PARK. AND ONE OF THE MOST WONDERFUL THINGS YOU CAN DO UP IN SOUTHERN... SOUTHWESTERN EDGE OF THE PARK IS RUN INTO A GUY CALLED JEFF MILLER THAT RUNS A PROGRAM CALLED LOOK, SEE, PAINT. AND HE'S PART OF A PRODUCT ALLIANCE CALLED ARTS IN THE WILD. AND ARTS IN THE WILD FOLLOWS IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE GROUP OF 7. SO INSTEAD OF JUST GOING AND CAMPING OR HIKING WHICH ARE ALL WONDERFUL THINGS TO DO, PEOPLE WHO GO INTO ARTS IN THE WILD LEARN TO PAINT, LEARN TO PHOTOGRAPH, MAY...

Mary says IF YOU NEVER PAINTED BEFORE?

Helen says THAT'S WHY I SAY JEFF MILLER. JEFF WILL HAVE YOU SITTING DOWN PAINTING WITHIN A HALF-HOUR. AND YOU WILL BE PAINTING. SO, YOU WILL HAVE YOU ON A ROLL, WITH WATER COLORS WITHIN A HALF-HOUR. HIS CLASSES HAVE PEOPLE FROM 6 TO 86 IN IT. AND IF YOU WANTED TO REALLY GET INTO THE FEEL OF THE GROUP OF 7.

Mary says DOESN'T THE MICHAEL GALLERY.

Helen says ALSO A MEMBER OF THAT ALLIANCE. SO, YOU CAN GO AND YOU CAN SEE THE PAINTINGS GO SEE THE LANDSCAPE OR DO THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Mary says RIGHT.

Helen says AND OF COURSE, I HAVE TO MENTION THAT TOM THOMPSON SHOW IS NOW AT THE ART GALLERY OF ONTARIO FERMENT...

Tricia says THAT'S RIGHT.

Helen says IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY RETROSPECT SKPIF IF PEOPLE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET, THEY SHOULD GO AND LOOK.

Mary says DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THAT IS ON FOR?

Helen says UNTIL SEPTEMBER.

Mary says UNTIL SEPTEMBER. AND WHAT ABOUT AT THE ROYAL ONTARIO MUSEUM?

Helen says WHAT IS ON AT THE ROYAL ONTARIO MUSEUM.

Tricia says WELL, CUISINE.

Mary says THAT'S ONE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

Tricia says IT IS STILL ON. IT IS STILL ON AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY FAB SKPLOUS THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SEEN IT, JUST COME YOU OUT RAVING ABOUT IT. IT'S QUITE SOMETHING.

Helen says IT'S NOT JUST CLOTHES. WHAT DO THESE CLOTHES SAY ABOUT THE SOCIAL HISTORY OF A PLACE AND SO THE SOCIAL HISTORY OF TORONTO IS PERHAPS NOT SOMETHING THAT INSPIRED SOMEBODY. WHEN YOU SEE THAT DIOR DRESS AND REALIZE THAT'S WHAT WOMAN HAD FOR ONE OCCASION IN TORONTO IN THE 50'S. YOU IMMEDIATELY KNOW SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON HERE. IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S A BRILLIANT SHOW.

Tricia says WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE IT.

Mary says REMIND OUR VIEWERS AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TOURISM IN TORONTO, THROUGHOUT ONTARIO, AND PLEASE CALL IN WITH ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR FAVORITE SPOTS ARE. PERHAPS THERE'S SOME WHERE YOU VISIT EVERY YEAR, MAYBE A FAMILY TRADITION. SPEAKING OF FAMILIES, ILL ASK YOU THIS NEXT. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW AS A FAMILY EVEN WHAT YOU RECOMMEND. OFTEN TIMES, THE KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL FOR THE SUMMER, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DOMENT CALL IN WITH YOUR SUGGESTIONS, THE NUMBER TO DIAL...

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Mary says SO FAMILY, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST??

Tricia says THE NUMBER ONE THING. THERE ARE SOME GREAT GUIDE BOOKS AVAILABLE ON THE MARKET. AND WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS JUST GO TO YOUR LOCAL BOOK STORE.

As she showcases two books, she says I HAVE TWO HERE SPECIFICLY WHEN CH WITH KIDS AND ALSO WE HAVE THE VOTERS, 68 GREAT THINGS TO DO TOGETHER. AROUND TORONTO WITH KIDS. BOTH ARE EXCELLENT REFERENCE GUIDE BOOKS. AND THEY ARE FUN EISLY, I WORKED WITH THE WRITER ON THIS AND WE HAD A GREAT TIME. SHE'S GOT SPECIAL TIP LIKE WHAT RESTAURANTS TO GO NEARBY WITH YOUR KIDS, WHEN YOU TRAVEL WITH YOUR CHILDREN, SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T GO TO THE RESTAURANT YOU WOULD LIKE TO AS AN ADULT OR COUPLE.

Mary says PEOPLE THAT EVEN GO TO RESTAURANTS FOR AWHILE.

Tricia says WE'RE NOT TALK BEING THOSE IN HERE. BUT, YOU KNOW IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE CHILDREN DO HAVE A SHORT ATENING SPAN SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU ARE PLANNING YOUR TRIP WITH YOUR CHILDREN TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THEM WALK FOR AN HOUR TO GET SOMEWHERE ELSE. BE REALISTIC.

Helen says THEIR LEGS ARE WAY SMALLER.

Tricia says NAP TIMES AND SNOP OFF AND GUIDE BOOKS ARE EXCELLENT.

Mary says YOU KNOW WHAT? REALLY IMPORTANT. DO THOSE BOOKS HAVE FREE THINGS FOR FAMILIES?

Tricia says YES, THEY DO.

Helen says YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

Tricia says THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY. THIS WAS PUT OUT BY THE GREEN TOURISM ASSOCIATION. IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITES ANDY FEHR TO IT ALL OF THE TIME. THE OTHER GUIDE TO TORONTO AND AVAILABLE ON THEIR WEB SITE TO BUY. A PLETHORA ON INFORMATION OF WHAT TO SEE KP DO IN THE CITY. ONE OF NORTH AMERICA'S GREENEST CITYS AND A LOST THE EVENTS HAVE NOMINAL CHARGES AND I AM TALKING FROM THREE TO FIVE DOLLARS. AND A LOT OF THEM ARE FREE. IT'S A GREAT WAY TO CELEBRATE ALL OF THE GREEN THAT THERE IS TO SEE AND DO THE SDPAE A THE EDUCATIONAL THINGS WITH YOUR CHILDREN. AND ALSO JUST LAUNCHED THIS FABULOUS MAP. A MAP THAT'S AVAILABLE AT GREEN TOURISM.CA OR TOURISM TORONTO. BUT IT IS JUST GREAT. AND IT JUST SHOWS HOW MUCH GREEN WE REALLY HAVE IN THE CITY AND THE WATER SHED AND THE BASINS. IT'S VERY EXTENSIVE BUT SOMETHING WE'RE PROUD OF.

Mary says WE STARTED TO DO AS A FAMILY THEY THINK MY KIDS HAVE INTOID. SO WE ARE MADE UP ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS, WE STARTED TO VISIT A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD AND EATING IN A LOCAL RESTAURANT, SO, I MEAN, IT COULD BE THAI, IT COULD BE ITALIAN, IT COULD BE WHATEVER.

Tricia says POLISH, RUSSIAN, YOU NAME IT.

Mary says YOU SORT OF FEEL, YOU ARE STILL IN TORONTO BUT KIND OF NOT. IT'S A CULTURAL EXPERIENCE.

Helen says THE COFFEE CEREMONY.

Mary says WE HAVE BEEN TO THE RESTAURANT.

Helen says AND COFFEE OR A COFFEE CEREMONY, YOU KNOW.

Mary says IT'S GREAT. IT'S ABSOLUTELY GREAT.

Tricia says AND THE OTHER THING, TOO, REALLY HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT WE ARE A VERY MULTI CULTURAL CITY. REPRESENTING OVER 100 DIFFERENT RELIGIONS AND OVER, I THINK 60 TO 80 DIFFERENT LANGUAGES SPOKEN. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN PEOPLE DO VISIT, THEY DO NOTICE AND DO LOVE. LIKE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IT IS TIME FOR TORONTO TO REALLY GET OUT AND EXPERIENCE ALL OF THE FABULOUS THINGS WE DO. LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO LITTLE INDIA, DEFINITELY WORTH A TRIP. STOP BY MY FAVORITE FRIENDS AT BARBECUE HUT.

Mary says BARBECUE HUT.

Tricia says ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, IT IS TIME TO EXPLORE AND, YOU KNOW WHAT, GET OUFT YOUR NORMAL HUH DAEN. GET SKPUT DO SOMETHING. RECOMMEND WALKING AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. SUCH A WALKABLE CITY. GO OUT AND TOUK TO PEOPLE. THE NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE QUEEN STREET WEST. AS WE KNOW, BUT THE PEOPLE WOULD JUST STOP AND DO BETWEEN SIMCSET FP AND ALL THE WAY TO TRENDY THE PARK.

Mary says I HAVE NOTICED THIS. BOY, THAT BOUNDARY HAS REALLY MOVED WEST, HASN'T IT?

Helen says IT SURE HAS.

Mary says IT USED TO BE THE TRENDY AREA. AND SO MANY UNIQUE CANADIAN DESIGNERS AND SMALL RETAIL STORES THAT SELL REALLY... AND GALLERIES.

Tricia says AND THE BIG THING ABOUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS KING STREET WEST. IT'S HIGHLY RESIDENTIAL SO A LOT OF THE NEEM HAVE THE STORES LIVE UPSTAIRS AROUND THE CORNER. SO IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING, A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT CATEGORY ON WITH NEW RESIDENTIAL, LIKE, TOWNHOUSE COMPLEX ESPECIALLY IN THOSE AREAS. AND PEOPLE RENOVATING THE LOSTS.

Mary says RIGHT.

Tricia says AND ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF ACCOMMODATIONS.

Mary says THE OTHER THING, THE KIDS, THEY LOVE TO SWIM. WHAT ABOUT AS FAR AS THE BEST BEACHES IN ONTARIO.

Helen says I AM PREFERENTIAL TO THE PRESS CO PARK. WHICH IS JUST, LET ME SEE, IT'S NEAR BRIGHTON, WOULD BE THE CLOSEST LITTLE TOWN. SO YOU GO EAST ON THE 401 FROM TORONTO. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WONDERFUL SAND DUNES AND THERE IS A LIGHT HOUSE THAT'S HAUNTED AND...

Mary says WHAT KIND OF SAND IS IT THERE?

Helen says FINE WHITE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. AND THERE IS ALSO CRYSTAL BEACH. THE WHOLE LENGTH OF LAKE EERIE, THERE'S WONDERFUL PARKS DOWN THERE LIKE TURKEY POINT IS DOWN THERE, I BELIEVE. IF YOU WANTED TO GO AMPING ON A AECH AND I BELIEVE YOU CAN ALSO BOOK A CAMP SITE ON THE PROVINCIAL PARK WEB SITE.

Mary says THAT MAKES IT EASY. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT E-MAIL. AN E-MAIL FROM MARK IN KING CITY.

Text pops up that reads "I'm looking for an adventure trip (for two). White-water rafting, fishing maybe but I'd also like a bit of night life. Is Ottawa my best option? Mark, King City.

Helen says I RNING SO YES. I WOULD SAY SO. THERE'S WATER RAFTING WHICH IS ABOUT A HALF-HOUR, 40 MINUTES OUT OF OTTAWA. AND PEOPLE GO OUT, HAVE, THEY HAVE, I THINK IT'S CLASS 4 RAPIDS, SO THINGS THAT ARE VERY JENT SKPEL EASY TO DO WITH YOUR FAMILY OR YOU CAN DO SOME NICE KPRAEM ADVENTURE OUT THERE. AND THEN GET BACK INTO TOWN FOR DINNER, DANCING.

Tricia says I MAY ALSO ADD, TOO. I DID THE WHITE WATER RAFTING AND IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST FABULOUS WEEKENDS OF MY WIFE LIFE AND THERE SAY LOT OF NIGHT LIFE WHEN YOU GO WHITE WATER RAFTING. A LOT OF ACTIVITIES PLANNED.

Helen says ALL SORTS OF WILD LIFE.

Tricia says BOAT CREWSS.

Mary says WE ACTUALLY IS A CALLER FROM OT WACHLT LILLIAN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE. YOU ARE FROM OT WACHLT TELL US ABOUT THE NIGHT LIFE?

The caller says ACTUALLY IT'S QUITE GOOD. I AM 43 YEARS OLD AND I MOVED FROM TORONTO, LOVE IT. THINK IT IS A GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD. COMING HERE TO OTTAWA, I WAS A LITTLE BIT JADED. I THOUGHT, HAVING BEEN OUT HERE FROM TIME TO TIME WITH MY HUSBAND, THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT ADJUST. TO ME. I WAS SO PLEASED TO SEE THAT IN THE SPRING AND THE SUMMER, IT IS LIKE EVERYBODY CRAWLS OUT OF THE WOOD WORK. SO MANY CAFE. IT HAS RAPIDLY BECOME A MULTI CULTURAL CITY. OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY AND TOURISTS FROM ALL EVERY AND FEEL WITH STUDENTS HAVING GREAT FUN, ALWAYS KNOW HOW TOENER JIZ WITH THEIR SPIRIT AND JUST SO LOVELY. WE HAVE THE TUL IP FESTIVAL, SPRINGTIME WEATHER HAS BEEN EXCEPTIONAL. AND, ALL JUST HAVING A GREAT TIME, ENJOYING 28 degrees TODAY.

Mary says VERY NICE.

The caller says HOW MANY CANADIANS SAY I AM GOING GO TO THE CAPITAL FOR A VACATION. IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

Helen says SHOOIZ RIGHT. SHE HASITY ON SO MANY POINTS, THE NIGHT LIFE CHANGED CONSIDERABLY WHEN IT STARTED TO HIRE ALL OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE FOR THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY.

Mary says IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED? I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT. I REMEMBER GOING TO OTTAWA A LONG TIME AGO AND, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER GOING HOME FOR THE NIGHT LIFE.

Tricia says CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.

Helen says WE HAVE THE PHOTOS BUT WE WON'T GO.

Mary says SO IT'S GOOD.

Helen says IT'S BEAUTIFUL, APART FROM BEING LOTS OF FUN, THERE ARE PARTS THAT ARE SO INCREDIBLY CHARMING AND GORGEOUS. RIGHT OFF OF THE SUSS EX DRIVE. THERE IS THIS, THIS SERIES OF RESTAURANTS THAT GO INTO THESE COURTYARDS AND THEY ARE THE VERY OLDEST BUILDINGS IN OTTAWA AND YOU JUST SWEAR THAU WERE SIT NOTHING OLD QUEBEC FERMENT YOU HAVE THE CAFE TABLES TUCKED AWAY...

Mary says WE HAVE ANOTHER CALL. EDITH FROM MISSISSAUGA. GO AHEAD.

The caller says YEAH, HI. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT OUR FAMILY IS STAYING FOR THE SUMMER IS USUALLY GOING TO THE PROVINCIAL PARKS, GO CAMPING.

Mary says WHICH PARK DO YOU GO TO? WHICH PARK IS IT?

The caller says ANY OF THE PROVINCIAL PARKS IN ONTARIO.

Mary says DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE.

The caller says TOO MANY. FOR THE CANADA LONG WEEKEND. A PLACE UP BY THE PENINSULA.

Helen says YES. ON JARJ IAN BAY, THE FATHOM FIVE IT'S UNDERWATER FERMENT THE SHIPWRECKS.

Mary says WHAT IS IT CALLED?

Helen says FATHOM FIVE.

Mary says HAVE YOU BEEN THERE?

The caller says WHERE?

Mary says FATHOM FIVE.

Helen says OFF OF THE BRUCE PENINSULA. JUST BETWEEN THE ISLAND AND THE PENINSULA ITSELF. YOU CAN TAKE A GLASS BOTTOM BOAT AND SEE THE SHIPWRECKS IN THERE OR YOU CAN DIVE. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALK BODY THE DIVING THAT YOU CAN DO.

Mary says YES.

Helen says ONTARIO HAS SOME OF THE BEST DIVING. AND? FRESH WATER. THOSE LITTLE ZEBRA MUSSELS HAVE CLEARED THE BOTTOM OUT SO MUCH. AND FINALLY FOUND A USE FOR THEM. THE CLARITY OF THE WATER IS, IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DIVERS LOOK FOR THE COLD FRESH WATER PRESERVES THE WRECKS.

Mary says I JUST WANTED TO ASK TRISHA. I HEARD AN UNUSUAL STORY ABOUT BONES OF A KILLER WHALE THAT WAS DUG... CAN YOU JUST QUICKLY TELL US WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.

Tricia says FIRST, THIS IS NOT AN URBAN LEGEND. IT'S NOT. IT COMES FROM MIKE FILEY.

Mary says I KNOW MIKE.

Tricia says NOBODY KNOWS MORE ABOUT TORONTO AND ANYBODY ELSE EVER KNOW. SO, THERE IS THIS MAN NAMED HAIR HARRY PIPER. HE HAD A ZOO. WHEN THE ZOO WAS IN OPERATION, BASICALLY ABOARD WHERE THE ROYAL YORK HOTEL. UP TO THAT POINT. THE FRONT DOORS WHERE UNION STATION, WHERE THE WATER CAME UP TO. SO HARRY HAD A ZOO WITH ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF ANIMALS, NOT NECESSARILY EXOTIC. BUT SOMEBODY CALLED, HEY, THIS DEAD WHALE JUST WASHED UP ON THE BEACH IN QUEBEC, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOW THINK? YOU KNOW WHAT LET'S BRING IT TO TORONTO. SHIP TODAY. THIS WAS JANUARY. SO WHAT HARRY DID. HE PUT THE WHALE ON DISPLAY AND THEY HAD, THEY PROPPED THE MOUTH OPEN SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD STAND INSIDE THE MOUTH AND HAVE THEIR PICTURE TAKEN FOR A NICKEL.

Mary says I WONDER IF ANYONE STILL HAS A PHOTO. THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

Tricia says YEAH. AND SO, ANYWAY, THIS HAPPENS JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH COMES AROUND. WEATHER STARTS TO REMEMBER WA UP A BIT. THE WHALE STARTS TO GET A LITTLE RANKY. BY END OF MARCH, BEGINNING OF APRIL, THE WHALE IS FALLING APART. SIDE SO THEY JUST BASICALLY TAKE IT TO THE LAKE SHORE AND DUMP IT IN KP THEN BURY IT. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY ARE EXCAVATING, FOR THE GARDENER AND THE EXPRESS WAY. THEY FIND THIS HUGE WHALE BONE. OH, MY GOD. THIS WAS A SEA BASIN. SO THEY CALL, YOU BETTER GET DOWN HERE AND PEOPLE STARTED. YOU BETTER GET DOWN HERE AND... AND THEN SOMEONE SAID, OH, THAT'S FROM HARRY PIPER ZOO. THAT'S WHY THE STREET, THE LITTLE STREET THAT RUNS ONE WAY BEHIND THE ROYAL YORK IS CALLED PIPER LANE.

Helen says THE LEGACY OF THAT WHALE STORY IS IN A BOOK BY DAVID MCFADEN TRIP AROUND LAKE ONTARIO. DAVID MCFADEN IS A POET BUT HE'S WRITTEN A SERIES OF WONDERFUL TRAVEL TRIPS AROUND LAKE ONTARIO, HIKE EARY AND LAKE HERON. THE WHALE RESURFACES IN PETERBURRO. THERE MUST HAVE BEEN MANY OF THEM FERMENT...

Mary says THAT COULD HAVE CHANGED THE COURSE, CANADA'S HISTORY FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING N.

Tricia says IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE. THANK TO ALL OF THE VIEWERS AND E-MAILERS, IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE.

Helen says THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Tricia says A GREAT SUMMER.

Mary says HELEN IS WITH TOURISM ONTARIO AND TOURISM TORONTO. FOR MORE information...

A slate reads "Tourism Toronto. www.torontotourism.com. 1-800-363-1990."

Then, it changes to "Tourism Ontario. www.ontariotravel.net. 1-800-668-2746."

Mary says CHRER YOU HEAR ABOUT SEWING CIRCLES AND QUILTING BEE, HERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. ON THE SIX NATIONS RESERVE NEAR BRANTFORD, ONTARIO, SOME WRITERS GET TOGETHER EVERY WEEK TO SHARE THEIR WORKS IN PROGRESS SKPPLT THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE SIX NATIONS WRITERS. AND THEY ARE DEVOTED TO PRESERVING THEIR HERITAGE IN PRINT. TVO IMPRESENT WENT TO CHECK OUT THIS UNIQUE LITERARY COLLECTIVE.

A clip plays on screen, in which people gather around a drum and play it rhythmically as they chant in a high pitch. Fast clips show children and adults dancing in elaborate feather outfits.

A woman in her forties reads WITH ALL OF THE SUMMER, HE SPENT AT HIS GRAND FRAURINGT'S RESERVE, THOSE DAYS WERE FILLED WITH FISHING, PLAYING...

A woman in her fifties reads AND THE NAME, HE HAD ALL SNAKES IN HIS HAIR AND HIS BODY WAS TWISTED...

A woman in her late forties reads AND WISDOM IN FAR SEEING EYES AS WE DANCED TO TIMES SPINNING TUNE.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Lisa VanEvery. Director, Six Nations Writers."

Lisa, in her forties, with long wavy chestnut hair and glasses says WE HAVE MANY GOALS. ONE OF THEM IS TO NURTURE EACH OTHER IN OUR WRITING, TO HELP EACH OTHER, TO LISTEN TO EACH OTHER, TO MAKE EACH OTHER BETTER WRITERS. AND TO GET OUR WRITING OUT TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE HERE AS NATIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE STORY SELL TELLERS AND WE'RE RIGHTING OUR OWN STORIES.

The caption changes to "Barbara-Helen Hill."

Barbara, in her fifties, with short spiky gray hair and glasses says I DECIDED TO JOIN 6 NATION WRITERS GROUP BECAUSE, WRITING IS SUFERP A SOLITARY EVENT AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET BOGGED DOWN WITH YOUR, WITH JUST YOUR OWN ENERGY. I NEEDED THE ENERGY OF A LOT OF OTHER WRITERS.

The caption changes to "Richard G. Greer."

Richard, in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair and glasses, says WHEN SOMEBODY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA TO HAVE A WRITERS GROUP, THAT SEEMED TO BE LIKE IT WAS RIGHT UP MYALY. SO I REALLY LIKED THE IDEA OF COMING UP WITH THE WRITERS GROUP, AND I THOUGHT THAT, I THOUGHT THESE THINGS NEED TO BE DONE NOW. MAYBE NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THEM. START TELLING OUR STORY, AS THE OWNERS WANT US TO DO NOW.

As the people seen before gather around a round table, one of them reads WITH NO HOPE TO SPRING ETERNAL. ANY TYPE OF IS GOING TO MAKE ITSELF KNOWN TO REMEDY THE DAMAGE DONE TO THIS FAMILY BY SOCIETY. TEARING BONDS THAT ARE SACRED AND SHOULD REMAIN STRONG. SEVERING TIES TO FLESH, BLOOD AND BONE. EVISCERATING HER DIGNITYY AND NEVER ANSWERING WHO IS RESPONSIBLE.

Lisa says HMM. THIS IS HEART WRENCHING.

The caption changes to "Yvonne Beaver."

Yvonne, in her late forties, with long curly brown hair and glasses, says FOR ME IT'S THE MOST GRATIFYING THING IS TO GET AND GIVE FEEDBACK. TO HEAR SOMEONE ELSE READ SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY CATCHES ME, THAT REALLY CATCHES ME, THAT REALLY IS INSPIRING OR MOVING FERMENT AND THAT IS VERY GRATIFYING. THAT IS A VERY GRATIFYING ASPECT OF BELONGING TO THIS GROUP.

Short clips show people chanting and playing drums as others dance.

Lisa says THE STATEMENT IS TO CARRY ON STORY TELLER TRADITION AND A CONTEMPORARY WAY AND THE WAY IN WHICH WE LIVE TODAY AND HOW WE WRITE TODAY, AND I FEEL THAT'S IMPORTANT AS A GROUP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CARRY ON OUR STORIES FERMENT WE ALSO HAVE TO ADD TO THEM, TO CREATE THE HISTORY FOR THE NEXT GENERATIONS. AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

The caption changes to "Gloria Thomas."

Gloria, in her fifties, with short gray hair and glasses, says WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN OUR STORIES, I DON'T THINK AS IROQUIS PEOPLE AND THERE'S LOTS TO WRITE ABOUT AND LOTS TO TELL AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT IS FRANT THAT WE HAVE THAT HERE AS WELL.

Yvonne says OUR TRADITION IS ORAL. WE'RE ORAL STORY TELLERS, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY WRITERS, HISTORICALLY. BUT, IT'S TIME, IT'S A MEETING THAT... A MEDIUM THAT WE'RE GOOD AT IN MANY CASES AND SHOULD BE PROTED. AND THE ONE THING THAT DPR AND IT PROMOTES ANOTHER LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT. WHO IS GOING TO TELL OUR STORIES? BEFORE WE LOSE THEM.

At the meeting, Barbara says CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I DIDN'T GET TO GO TO THE WORKSHOP. DO THEY FACE, LIKE, WITH THE... LIKE WITH US, THE WRITERS HERE IN CANADA, AND IN THE UNITED STATES, WHERE STORIES ABOUT US WRITTEN BY NONNATIVE PEOPLE ARE WIDELY PUBLISHED AND WIDELY PROMOTED BUT OUR LITERATURE IS MORE LIKE SELF PUBLISHING OR SMALL PRESS AND THEN YOU GOT TO PROMOTE IT YOURSELF. DO THEY FACE THE SAME THINGS?

Lisa says I THINK THEY DO.

Yvonne says THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY SAYING, YES, WRITE FERMENT THEY TEND TO THINK MORE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A LIVING. THAT'S IMPORTANT. I'LL BE HONEST EFFORT. IT'S IMPORTANT YOU MAKE A LIVING BUT WRITING IS ONE OF THOSE SPIRITUALLY NURTURING THINGS AND THIS GROUP GOES A LONG WAY TOWARD, I THINK AT LEAST, PROMOTING THAT AMONG OUR PEOPLE.

Barbara says YOU DON'T JUST HAVE TO BE A SECRETARY OR A CARPENTER, AN IRONWORKER TO LIVE ON 6 NATION. YOU CAN ALSO BE A WRITER. YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE ARTS WITHIN OUR SOCIETY.

At the meeting, Lisa reads I ONCE STARED DOWN INTO THE FACE OF YOUR MOTHER LIKE SHE STAIRS DOWN INTO THE FACE OF YOU. THE LOOK OF HER FINGERS SO DELICATELY FORM, A GRANDCHILD IS BORN.

Another woman says THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. DOES ANYBODY NEED A TISSUE?

Lisa says THE PEOPLE ARE COMING, SORT OF OUT OF THE WOOD WORK, OUT OF THEIR OFFICES OR OUT OF THEIR HOMES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WRITING IN FOR SO LONG AND THEY FINALLY HAVE PLACE NOW TO COME AND SIX WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE FWR THEIR OWN COMMUNITY, WHO ARE WRITING ABOUT SOME OF THE SAME THINGS, WHO UNDERSTAND THE SAME, THE SAME THINGS, AND TO GET ENCOURAGEMENT FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE IT MAKES US ALL FEEL GOOD.

The clip ends.

Mary says YOU CAN SEE IMPRINT EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT 7:30 HERE ON TVO. WELL, HERE IS A REALLY EASY WAY TO RAISE EYE BROWS AT A DINNER PARTY. SAY YOU ARE A NUDIST UNLESS IT IS A NUDIST DINNER PARTY. NUDISM IS A CONCEPT THAT WE ALL EMBRACED WHEN WE WERE BORN. BUT THE FACT THAT SOME CHOOSE THIS EXPERIENCE AS A WAY OF LIFE IS PROBABLY POORLY MISUNDERSTOOD BY THE PUBLIC. SO SAYS STEPHAN. THE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN NATURIST AND A HISTORY PROFESSOR THE AT UNIVERSITY OF WESTERN ONTARIO IN LONDON. AND HE'S ALSO THE AUTHOR OF AU NATUREL. THE HISTORY OF NUDISM IN Canada.

Stephan is in his early forties, with short brown hair and a mustache. He's wearing glasses and a purple polo shirt.
James is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short wavy gray hair. He's wearing glasses, a black suit and a white shirt.
A picture of his book appears briefly on screen. The cover is red, with a picture of a naked man seen from behind as he contemplates the ocean.

Mary says DIDN'T I TELL YOU A CLOTHING OPTIONAL INTERVIEW.

Stephan says YEAH. I DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE.

James says YOU FIRST.

Mary says YEAH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SKU THOUGH. YOU MUST GO THROUGH A TUN OF SUN SCREEN AND BUG SPRAY.

Stephan says WELL, YEAH, NOT MUCH MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE. MOST PEOPLE JUST WEAR BATHING SUITS. IT DOESN'T REALLY COVER MUCH. THAT'S MY POINT. WHERE WHY WOULD YOU BACK AND FORTH, IT HARDLY COVERS ANYTHING.

Mary says YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING TO ME ON THE PHONE. YOU SAID NUDISM IS NOT SO MUCH BEING NUDE AS IT IS NOT WEARING CLOTHES. AND YOU SAID THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

The caption changes to "Stephane Deschenes. Federation of Canadian Naturists."

Stephan says YEAH, MOST PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME, THAT'S THE SAME THING. BUT IT IS SORT OF LIKE WHEN WE PLAY VOLLEYBALL, IT'S NOT ABOUT PLAYING NUDE VOLLEYBALL BUT PLAYING NUDE VOLLEYBALL BUT DON'T LAKE TO WEAR CLOTHES, YOU DON'T SAY YOU PLAY CLOTHED VOLLEYBALL OR DRESSED VOLLEYBALL?

Mary says IT'S ASSUMED FOR MOST OF US THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING.

Stephan says IF IT IS HOT, WHY WOULD YOU WEAR ANYTHING? IT'S MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE TO HAVE FIGURE ON.

Mary says YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GET DOWN TO SOME SORT OF DEFINITION AND EXPLAINING WHAT NUDISM IS. A LOST PEOPLE, IT IS POORLY MISUNDERSTOOD. JAMES, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NATURISM AND NUDISM ARE THEY THE SAME THING. I USED BOTH TERMS.

The caption changes to "Professor James Woycke. University of Western Ontario."

James says FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSE BUT NUDISM IN NORTH AMERICA IS MORE, POPULAR MORE POPULAR AS USAGE AND THE TERM USED SINCE MOST OF THE ORGANIZED HISTORY OF NUDISM IN NORTH AMERICA. THERE AS HULZ BEEN A CONCERN WITH NATURISM AND MORE SO TODAY, AND THE CONCERN IS USUALLY DERIVE FRIDAY HEALTH CONSIDERATIONS. AND NATURAL HEALTH. THINGS LIKE THAT.

Mary says OH, I SEE. SO, MEANING TO PROMOTE NATURAL HEALTH STHAT WHAT YOU MEAN?

James says TO PROMOTE NATURAL HEALTH. WHEN IT STARTED OUT, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY HEALTH REFORM MOVEMENT. PEOPLE WANTED TO GET AWAY FROM NASTY CITIES, THEY WANTED TO GET OUT OF TIGHT RESTRICTIVE VICTORIA CLOTHING AND THEY THOUGHT THAT, THEY THOUGHT THAT NUDISM OR NATURISM WOULD BE ONE WAY TO GET OUT IN THE ELEMENTS AND THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

Mary says SO WHEN DID THIS START, WHO WERE THOSE PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT THAT?

James says OH, GOSH. MOST OF THEM WERE EUROPEAN. RIGHT. AND IT WAS, TAKEN UP IN EUROPE AND THEN TRANSFERRED ELSE WHERE BY PEOPLE THAT STARTED FEELING THE SAME WAY, HRL TO TO OUTDOOR SPAS.

Mary says SO CAN DARX EUROPEAN BROUGHT NUDISM OVER HERE?

James says NO. CANADIANS AND AMERICANS READ ABOUT THAT.

Mary says OH.

James says THEY SHARED THEIR LITERATURE SKPPLT THAT WAS THE START. WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT WHEN PEOPLE STARTED GOING TO CLUBS AND SPAS AND RESORTS FOR THERAPEUTIC REASONS, THEY DISCOVERED THAT IT FELT GOOD. AND ENJOYED BEING FREED OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL AND SOCIAL RESTRIKS THAT CIVILIZATION IMPOSE OS US, TOOCHLT HANG UP THE BODY ARMOR AND THEIR UNIFORMS AND THEY COULD BE JUST PLAIN FOLKS.

Mary says WELL, OKAY. SO, YOU ARE A NUDIST.

Stephan says YES.

Mary says OR A NATURIST. WHY?

Stephan says WHY DO I DO IT? FUNDAMENTALLY BECAUSE IT FEELS GREAT. IT JUST FEELS... ANYBODY THAT HAS GONE SKINNY DIPPING WILL ATTEST TO THAT. MOST PEOPLE JUST CAN'T IT TO THE NEXT STEP. MOST PEOPLE HAVE GONE SKINNY DIPING AND SAY IT FEELS GREAT, A LOT OF FUN BUT ONLY DO IT IN THE DARK OR BY THEMSELVES OR ALONE.

Mary says IT IS HAULED HANG UPS.

Stephan says I THINK IT IS CALLED A PHOBIA PERSONALLY. YEAH. BECAUSE, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO. A LOT OF PEOPLE DEFEND IT. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. MOST PEOPLE JUST CAN'T DO IT. NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO. IT'S TOO HARD. IT'S VERY, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

Mary says TELL ME WHAT YOUR VERY FIRST EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE AS A NUDIST.

Stephan says MY VERY FIRST EXPERIENCE AS A REAL NUDIST. THE FIRST TIME I VISITED A NUDIST CLUB AROUND TORONTO. IT WAS INTERESTING. I WENT WITH A FRIEND OF MINE, GONE SKINNY DIPPING AND DECIDED TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP, BE INTERESTING. I WENT WITH A FRIEND OF MINE AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WERE FRIENDS, SHE WAS A WOMAN, WE WERE JUST FRIENDS AND JUST TAKING DAYS OFF WHEN THE WEATHER WAS NICE. AND WE SAID, DOW FEEL LIKE GOING SOME PLACE OF INTEREST.

Mary says YOU SUGGESTED THIS?

Stephan says I SUGGESTED. I THOUGHT SHE WOULD SAY NO. YES, IT WAS REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE AND THEN WE ACTUALLY WENT THERE. AND I GOT THERE AND I WAS REALLY NERVOUS. SHE SEEMED REALLY OKAY BY B IT. WE SAT DOWN ON THE LAWNS, WE DIDN'T COME HERE TO KEEP OUR CLOTHE OS. NEXT THIJ FULLY DRESSED NEXT TO A NAKED WOMAN SUN BATHING AND SO THAT'S WHERE...

Mary says THAT WAS THE START OF IT?

Stephan says THAT WAS THE START OF IT.

Mary says HOW QUICKLY DID YOU BECOME COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?

Stephan says I GOT COMFORTABLE PRETTY QUICKLY THAT DAY. IT'S SURPRISING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS NOT LIKE I WAS A YOUNG AND... AND EVERYBODY ELSE WAS NUDE AND MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE. I WAS MOST AM UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN MY FRIEND WAS NUDE NEXT TO ME AND I WAS DRESSED. I FELT OUT OF PLACEMENT SHE OBVIOUSLY SOMEHOW MANAGED TO MAKE THAT LEAP MORE QUICKLY THAN I DID AND EVERYBODY AROUND US WAS NUDE AS WELL. I FELT UNCOMFORTABLE.

Mary says YOU BRING UP INTERESTING POINT. AS FAR AS YOUR STUDIES GO. DO YOU HAVE TO BE TOTALLY NUDE AT THESE CLUBS OR SOME CLUBS WHERE YOU CAN BE PARTLY DRESSED AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN BE NUDE. HOW DOES IT WORK?

James says I THINK MOFERT CLUBS HAVE DROPPED THE INSISTENCE THAT EVERYBODY COME THROUGH THE GATE HAS TO GET NUDE RIGHT AWAY. THERE IS A TREND TOWARD CLOTHING OPTIONAL. WHICH IS, DEVICE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DISROBE WHEN THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

Mary says OKAY. THAT IS REASSURING. NOW, I HAVE TO ASK YOU, WAS THERE ANYTHING REMOTELY SEXUAL ABOUT YOUR FIRST EXPERIENCE?

Stephan says NO. I MEAN, THERE WERE ATTRACTIVE PEOPLE AND THEY STILL LOOKED ATTRACTIVE. PERHAPS LESS SO THAN IF WEARING A BATHING SUIT. NO, NOT AT ALL. YOU KNOW MOST PEOPLE, THAT'S... WHAT THEY EXPECT ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A MAN, YOU GREW UP WITH THAT KIND, THE ONLY TIME YOU EXPERIENCE NUDITY SHOWER BY YOURSELF OR IN CERTAIN SORT OF SEXUAL CONTEXT.

Mary says YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ATTENTION BEING HEALTH WISE, NATURE, PROMOTING NATURE, RESPECTING NATURE, THAT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, LOFTY INTENTIONS BUT, YOU KNOW, MANY PEOPLE ASSUME THAT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING SEXUAL GOING ON. BECAUSE WE TEND TO EQUATE BEING NUDE, AS YOU SAY, WITH SOMETHING SEXUAL. IT'S LIKE, I GIVE THE ANALOGY, TECHNICALLY WE KNOW THEY ARE NOT PROSTITUTES BUT THINK THERE'S HANKY PAFERNINGY GOING ON THERE... PA NKY GOING ON THERE.

Stephan says I BRING PEOPLE BECAUSE OF MY POSITION IN THE FEDERATION AND I TAKE THEM AND THEY TRY IT AND EXPERIENCED IT. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? THEY ALL, ALMOST ALL OF THEM, IT'S NOT WHAT I EXPECTED. I EXPECT THREE HOURS TALKING TO YOU WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE. HOW CAN IT BE NOT WHAT YOU EXPECTED? WELL, I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS GOING TO... THAT IT WAS NONSEXUAL FOR YOU BUT COULDN'T REALLY BELIEVE IT WOULD BE FOR ME. BUT THEN IT IS NONSEXUAL AND THEY ARE SURPRISED BY THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REALLY EXPECT IT. EVEN THOUGH THEY THRD.

Mary says SO WHAT HISTORICALLY, PROFESSOR, HAS THERE EVER BEEN A SEXUAL COMPONENT ENT TO NUDISM OR NOT?

James says NO. THE ONLY THING THAT COMES CLOSE IS WHEN OUTSIDERS SWINGERS FOR EXAMPLE, TRY TO GET INTO A CLUB BECAUSE THEY ASSUME THAT IT WILL BE A WILD PARTY TIME. AND IT IS SO BORING THAT THEY DROP OUT RIGHT AWAY. BORING FOR THEM.

Mary says YEAH, NOW YOU ARE WITH THE FEDERATION, HOW DOES THE FEDERATION OPERATE AS FAR AS WHO GETS IN AND WHO DOESN'T?

Stephan says THE FEDERATION REALLY IS PLAYS A ROLE OF INFORMATION. WE PUBLISH THE BOOK, WE PUBLISH GUIDES AND A MAGAZINE. SO WE DON'T TRY TO JUDGE WHAT'S WRO RIGHT AND WRONG BUT AS A BASIC LIMIT. IF A CLUB IS ABOUT SWINGERS OR ANY KIND OF SEXUAL ACTIVITY, IT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE A NATURIST. WE DO HAVE A LINE. IT'S A VERY BIG BROAD DEFINITION. THERE ARE CERTAIN CLUBS AROUND TORONTO, CLUBS THAT ARE VERY URBAN. THEY HAVE DANCES AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, BARS, THEY HAVE HOTEL ROOMS, YOU KNOW, IT'S PAVED. OTHER PLACES LIKE BEING IN THE FOREST, THEY ARE VERY WILD, WILDERNESS ORIENTED.

Mary says ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF CLUBS.

Stephan says PEOPLE SOMETIMES LOOK, I WENT TO THIS CLUB AND DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T LIKE NATURISM. YOU DON'T LIKE THAT CLUB. TO SAY YOU DON'T LIKE NATURISM IS EVAPORATING ONE HOTEL AND DECIDING YOU DON'T LIKE HOTELS. SOMETIME ITS A BEACH. YOU CAN GO TO THE POINT AND IT IS A BEACH OR YOU CAN GO TO A CLUB, YOU CAN GO TO FLORIDA AND EUROPE AND HUGE RESORTS.

Mary says WELL, PROFESSOR, HOW MANY DIFFERENT CLUBS ARE THERE IN ONTARIO? HOW MANY DO WE HAVE?

James says A DOZEN, UP TO 20, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NEW SMALLER ONES, LATELY.

Stephan says THERE'S 54 ACROSS CANADA. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IN ONTARIO.

Mary says DO WE KNOW HOW POPULAR NUDISM IS, DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE?

James says A FEW THOUSAND CLUB MEMBERS IN ONTARIO.

Mary says THOSE ARE THE ONES WE ACCOUNT FOR. THERE ARE MANY THAT PROBABLY JUST PRACTICE BUT NOT OFFICIALLY NUDIST.

Stephan says WE DID A SURVEY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WHAT IS A NUDIST. WHAT DO YOU BECOME A NUDIST. DO YOU HAVE TO GO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TIMES? YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU HAVE TO SPEND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF YOUR LIFE NUDE? PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY PUT A LABEL ON THEMSELVES, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY JOIN AN ORGANIZATION, THEY DO IT AT THEIR COTTAGE. A LOT OF PEOPLE SUN BATHING NEW OR GONE SKIN DIPPING OR A PLACE BUT ONLY IN EUROPE WHEN TRAVELING OR IN THE CARIBBEAN.

Mary says NOW TELL ME, SO, LET'S SAY WE JOIN A CLUB. YOU MENINGED GLEN ECHO IS MENTIONED IN THE BOOK. WHAT WOULD DOW AT A CLUB? WHAT GOES ON?

Stephan says IT DEPEND OS WHAU LIKE. YOU CAN BE A PERSON SIT AROUND AND READ A BOOK. ACTIVITY SNS VOLLEYBALL, THERE'S TENNIS, THERE'S TALK ACCIDENT A NEW SPORTS SORT OF UP AND COMING.

Mary says SO LIKE ANY RESORT? JUST NUDE AND DO EVERYTHING...

Stephan says SWIMMING, A SAUNA, HOT TUB. A RESTAURANT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE EVENTS, KID'S DAY.

Mary says ARE THE COOKS NUDE? THAT SOUNDS DANGEROUS.

Stephan says TIMES WHEN A LITTLE PROTECTION. LITTLE APRON. ARK WELDING.

Mary says AND WHAT ABOUT, JAMES, WHAT ABOUT GENDER? I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW IT IS SPLIT WITH GENDER?

James says MOST CLUBS EMPHASIZE A FAMILY BALANCE AMONG THE MEMBERS AND THEREFORE THE GENDERS ARE USUALLY BALANCED. INEVITABLY IN A LOT OF CLUBS, I THINK A FEW MORE SINGLE MEN TO SLANT THE GENDER MEMBERSHIP THAT WAY. BUT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE SINGLE MEN ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE FREE UPON EXPERIMENTING AND GOING TO A NUDIST CLUB.

Mary says WOMEN, YOU ARE RIGHT. THEY TEND TO BE MORE HUNG UP ABOUT THEIR APPEARANCE, RIGHT. AND SO...

Stephan says SOCIETY HAS FOSTERED THAT.

Mary says DO YOU FIND THAT, DO YOU FIND THAT WOMEN ARE REALLY HESITANT?

Stephan says ESPECIALLY YOUNGER. OLDER WOMAN BECOME MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THEMSELVES AND BODYS AND LESS OF AN ISSUE WHEN THEY GET OLDER. FOR YOUK WOMEN IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. SOCIETY MAKES YOU FEEL YOU HAVE TO LOOK A CERTAIN WAY YOU KNOW, YOU SEE THAT THERE IS NO ONE WAY, EVERYBODY IS UNIQUE AND INTERESTING.

Mary says WELL IT'S FASCINATING FERMENT WE ARE OUT OF TIME BUT IT'S A FASCINATING TOPIC. BEST OF LUCK WITH THE FEDERATION AND YOUR BOOK, TOOFERMENT THANKS FOR COMING. THE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN NATURISTS AND JAMES IS A HISTORY PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF WESTERN ONTARIO IN LONDON. HE IS ALSO THE AUTHOR OF AU NATUREL. THE HISTORY OF NUDISM IN CANADA PUBLISHED BY THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN NATURISTS.

A slate reads "Federation of Canadian Naturists. 416-410-NUDE, 416-410-6833, www.fcn.ca."

Mary says That is it for our show today, hope you enjoyed it. And please join us each weekday, Monday to Friday, for More to Life at 1 o'clock. Thanks for watching.

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