Transcript: Summer Reading, How To Get Published | Jun 13, 2003

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A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Life. Words spin against a red and orange background: Health, Family, Home, Money, Fitness, Life. Fast clips show images related to the previous concepts, such as a dollar bill, a wheat field, and strands of DNA.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Mary Ito sits in a studio with textured yellow walls and plants in the background.

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a frilled red sweater over a black shirt.

She says I AM MARY ITO. WELCOME TO MORE TO LIFE. LATER IN THE SHOW. HAVE YOU GOT DREAMS OF BECOME A BEST SELLING NOVELIST. WE'LL TELL YOU HOW TO GET PUBLISHED. FIRST, WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD BE READING THIS SUMMER. BUT LET'S FACE IT. THE. THEY REQUIRE, WHO WANTS TO THINK ON THEIR HOLIDAY. SUMMER READING SHOULD BE FUN AND IT SHOULD FIT IN A BEACH BAG. SO WHETHER YOU LIKE POT BOILERS OR SOMETHING MORE ARTSY. A CRAFT BOOK PANEL WITH SOMETHING FOR YOU. CARLA COLIN SYSTEM THE HOST OF CARLA AND COMPANY RADIO IN TORONTO. THOM IS A TV PRODUCER AND MOVIE REVIEWER AND Tina is THE HOST OF THE TVO IMPRINT...

Carla is in her late thirties, with chin-length wavy blond hair. She's wearing a see-through gray blouse over a black shirt and a black stone rosary.
Thom is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He's wearing glasses and a green shirt.
Tina is in her late thirties, with short feathery brown hair. She's wearing oval glasses, a gray blazer and a white bead necklace.

Mary continues WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU TODAY, WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE BEACH READ? OR WHAT BOOK IS YOUR GUILTY PLEASURE. I DO STRESS GUILTY. NOW COME ON. WE WON'T JUDGE. GIVE US A CALL TODAY. WE HAVE FOUR BEAUTIFUL MORE TO LIFE MUGS TO GIVE AWAY TO CALLERS THAT MAKE IT TO AIR. GIVE US A CALL...

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary continues I AM SURPRISED TO SEE THE TWO OF YOU SITTING TOGETHER AFTER THAT COMMENT I HEARD YOU MAKE, TINA. SHE SAID TO YOU...

Carla says LIKE I WAS WEARING BEACH WEAR.

Mary says WE ARE TALK TING, NOT WEARING IT TODAY.

They all laugh.

Carla says THE ACTUAL TENSION AM NO, I WOULD DISTRACT YOU WITH MY SUPERFICIAL OUTFIT IN CASE I WAS NOT AR TICK LAT ENOUGH.

Tina says SHE SAID I WOULD COME TO THE HOUSE AND HOOK ME UP.

Mary says THAT'S THE IMPRINT STYLE. GOING IN THE FALL, ABSOLUTELY.

Tina says WHY NOT?

Mary says I WOULD LIKE TO GET A WORD IN EDGE WISE HERE. AND NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, THOM. EXPECT IT.
LET ME ASK YOU, WHAT DO YOU LOOK FOR IN A SUMMER BOOK?

The caption changes to "Thom Ernst. Movie Reviewer."

Thom says I DO WANT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY EASY TO READ AND STILL GET LOST IN AND FIND VERY DISTRACTED, SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT TAKE UP TOO MUCH EFFORT THAT I CAN GET THE STORY RIGHT AWAY AND GET INTO THE CHARACTERS RIGHT AWAY.

Mary says WHAT'S SO DISTRACTING ABOUT SUMMER?

Thom says IF YOU ARE ON THE BEACH, THOSE WAVES. THOSE WAVES CAN DRAW YOU

Carla says SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T COVER UP THE WAVES THE WAY THEY SHOULD.

Mary says THOSE ARE RIPPLES. TINA, WHAT QUALIFYS AS A BEACH READ FOR YOU?

The caption changes to "Tina Srebotniak. TVO's 'Imprint.'"

Tina says I HAVE BOOKS THAT I THINK ARE FAB SKPLOUS VERY LITERARY, BECAUSE FOR ME, BEACH READING IS A PAGE TURNER AND THE BOOKS I BROUGHT ARE ALL PAGE TURNERS, I DON'T CARE HOW DEEP THE STORY IS OR SHALLOW, THESE ARE DEEPLY DEEP MUCH LIKE MYSELF. I THINK IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN FORGET WHERE YOU ARE. IT IS NICE TO BE ON THE BEACH BUT IN A STORM LIKE ONE OF MY BOOKS, THAT'S WHERE YOU OUGHT TO NUMBER YOUR HEAD.

Mary says THE HOIT YTOITY APPROACH?

Tina says YES.

Carla says SIMILARLY, MARY. I AM A DEEP AS THE LUNCH TRAY. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD THINK DURING THE SUMMER OR ANY TIME DURING THE YEAR, REALLY. I HAVE DIFFERENT CATEGORYS FOR SUMMER READ, I HAVE DIFFERENT SUBJECTS AND CATEGORIES I LIKE.

Mary says LET'S START OFF. YOUR FIRST PICK.

The caption changes to "Carla Collins. Radio Host, Mix 99.9."

As she picks up a book and shows it, Carla says WELL, I KNOW THIS WILL SHOCK YOU. I KNOW, TINA, IF YOU WERE LIKE CHARLIES ANGEL AND THE THREE, SHE WOULD HAVE THE TURTLE NECK OTHE SMART ONE. BUT ACTUALLY VERY SPIRITUAL. I LIKE TO READ A LOT OF BOOKS THAT DELVE INTO THE NEW AGE AND YOU KNOW, GETTING IN CONTACT MORE WITH YOUR OWN POWER AND GETTING A BETTER LIFE. SOMETIME ITS GETS, THE PROPHESY, FIRST OF ALL HOR IBLY WRITTEN. ALIENS BECOME INVOLVED AND YOU LOSE AND YOU THINK, OKAY. IT IS TOO OUT THERE. NO ALIENS. AND THE AUTHOR, JUST SOUNDS LIKE A SALTY OLD BROAD WHO IS REALLY BEEN THERE AND BACK. AND SHE TALKS ABOUT HOW WE MAGNETIZE EVERYTHING INTO OUR LIVES. SO, I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THE READER DIGEST VERSION. THAT YOU HAVE TO REALLY MIND HOW YOU ARE FEELING AND THINKING, IT'S NOT JUST A BUNCH OF CHANTING POSITIVE MANTRAS, THAT IF I AM 10 OUT OF 8, I WILL ATTRACT ENERGY.

Mary says A B-POSITIVE BOOK.

Carla says WATCH HOW YOU ARE FEELING, DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR YOURSELF AND DON'T TRY TO FIX THINGS IN OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES ACCIDENT JUST SORT OF GET IN TOUCH... YOU GET EFERLING YOU WENT.

Mary says IS IT WORKING?

Carla says I AM A MULTI MILLION AREA.

Mary says YEAH.

Carla says ONE OF THOSE LIFE ALTERING BOOKS, A LOT OF HUMOR, DON'T TAKE YOURSELF TOO SERIOUSLY. I HAVE RECOMMENDED IT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OUT OF IT AT DIFFERENT STAGES IN L LIFE.

Mary says TEEN ABACK TO YOU.

Tina says MY FIRST BOOK IS CALLED MIDDLE, THE BEST BOOK I READ THIS YEAR MIDDLESEX.

IT HAS SEX IN IT?

Tina says YES. HE ALSO WROTE A BOOK CALLED VIRGIN SUICIDE. THIS BOOK IS SPECTACULAR. WON A PULITZER PRIZE AND RIGHTLY SO. A STORY OF A GIRL WHO FINDS OUT LATER AT 14 THAT SHE IS ACTUALLY A BOY.

Mary says WE KNOW HOW COMMON THAT IS?

Carla says HAPPENED TO ME.

Tina says EXPLAINS THE CLOTHES DOESN'T IT? IT IS SO BEAUTIFULY WRITTEN. EVERYTHING WITH IT AND THE BEST PART IT, IT TACKLES A VERY SERIOUS AND ALL KINDS OF THEMES ABOUT GENDER AND IDENTITY. IT IS ALSO A LAST RIGHT. YOU WILL SNOET SNORT YOUR WAY THROUGH THIS. IT'S SO FUNNY IT'S MY BIG FAT GREEK WEDDING EXCEPT THE FAMILY. IT'S THE GEN RAINGAL SAGA ABOUT A FAMILY, A BROTHER AND A SISTER WHO GET MARRIED THUS EXPLAINING THE GENE PROBLEM CALL. NOW DO WE LIKE THE NAMES? THEY COME TO AMERICA, DETROIT IN THE 20'S AND THEN YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THE GENERATIONS THAT FOLLOW. IT'S ABOUT DETROIT IN THE 70'S AND THE RACE RIOTS AND HOW THE FINS ON CAR REFLECT THE SOCIETY VALUES. IT'S A SPECTACULAR BOOK.

Mary says I READ THE ZU NOPS IS AND WHEN YOU READ IT, YOU THINK OH, COME ON. PLEASE. BUT YOU ARE SAYING THAT AS YOU READ IT, IT'S TOTALLY BELIEVABLE.

Tina says COMPLETELY BELIEVABLE.

Mary says OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THOM, HOW ABOUT YOU?

Thom says MY FIRST BOOK. I DON'T HAVE TO SHOW YOU. IT'S OFF OF THE SHELVES ALREADY AND EVERYBODY IS ORDERING IT. IT IS CALLED SPOKE. WHAT REALLY GOT ME ABOUT THIS BOOK. IT'S WRITTEN FIRST OF ALL BY NICK CAVE, THE PUNK ROCK. YOU LOOK AT THE BOOK AND YOU GO, WHEN DID HE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY DO THIS. AND IT IS AN EPIC NOF SKPEL IT JUST... IT IS ABOUT A YOUNG BOY IN THE DEEP SOUTH AND IT IS LIKE HEMINGWAY MEETS STEINBECK AND TOTAL VIOLENCE, TOTAL SEX. YOU WILL TOSS THE BOOK AWAY SCREAMING BECAUSE IT IS SO VIOLENT AT TIMES AND THEN RUN BACK TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. NICK CAVE HAS A VERY DEMENDED. THE MAN TA BROUGHT OUT AN ALBUM CALLED MURDER BALLADS THAT HAS PEOPLE SCREAMING AND BEING MURDERED ON IT. STILL A GREAT BALLADEER NONE THE LESS, IT'S SHOCKING AND IT IS A GREAT READ AND YOU WILL BE SIMULTANEOUSLY DISGUSTED AND AMUSED.

Mary says DOES THIS SOUND GOOD TO YOU.

Carla says IT SOUNDS LIKE RELATIONSHIPS?

Mary says I GET IT.

Thom says JUST, IT IS SO MUCH LIKE STEINBECH. HEMINGWAY. AND EVEN DICKENS IN A WAY. AND CAREFUL PARENTS AND UNCLES AND THE VILLAGE AND FALLS IN LOVE WITH A YOUNG WOMAN WHO IS TRULY HAS NO RIGHT TO FALL IN LOVE WITH. SHE'S FROM A DIFFERENT AREA. IT'S ROMANTIC BUT IT REALLY HAS AN NICK CAVE'S...

Mary says WOW. AND WHAT'S THE TITLE AGAIN?

Thom says WHEN THE ASS SAW THE ANGEL. IT'S A LINE FROM THE BIBLE AND LIKE THE BIBLE IT HAS ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF STORIES IN IT.

Mary says LET'S TAKE A CALL. WE HAVE LAURA ON THE LINE HERE. HELLO, ARE YOU THERE?

The caller says I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE BOOK LACE. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHO THE AUTHOR WAS BECAUSE, IT WAS AWHILE AGO.

Mary says RIGHT.

The caller says IN THE SUMMER WHEN WAS I ON HOLIDAY AND I REALLY ENJOYED THE BOOK.

Mary says DID YOU SAY IT WAS CALLED LACE? Tina does THAT SOUND...

Tina says NO.

Mary says YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THE AUTHOR IS?

The caller says I JUST KOOND 90 THE BOOK. I FORGOT. AND I THINK TURNING IT INTO A MINI SERIES.

Mary says ONE OF THE PRODUCERS THINK IT MIGHT BE JUDITH KRANZ.

The caller says IT COULD BE. I DON'T REMEMBER. I CAN'T SAY EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.

Mary says WHAT DID YOU LIKE ABOUT THE BOOK?

The caller says IT'S VERY SEXY.

MARY says HER VOICE GETS LOW.

The caller says IT'S VERY SPECIFIC

Mary says SPECIFIC AND SEXY, EVEN BETTER.

The caller says AND THEY WOULD ALL IN COLLEGE TOGETHER AND THEN ONE OF THEM MET A CHILD. ONE OF THE GIRL... LOOKS FOR HER MOTHER. SHE FINDS OUT ONE OF THEM WAS THE MOTHER AND SHE. SHE HAD TO GO AND ASK WHICH ONE OF... IT WAS A LOT OF FUN. BUT THE THEME, WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT IN THE SKBOOK WAS IN EUROPE AND MY SON MET ME THERE. SOMEHOW WE SAW THE BOOK ON THE NIGHT TABLE AND HE LOOKED AT ME AND SAID, MA, WHAT KIND OF BOOKS ARE YOU READING?

Mary says THANKS. IT'S CALLED LACE. WE'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO THE AUTHOR IS. TINA, I HAVE TO ASK YOU. NOW YOU PICK THESE HIGH BROW SELECTIONS, YOU MUST HAVE SOME GUILTY PLEASURES?

Tina says I AM AFRAID I DO. MY REAL GUILTY PLEASURE BUT MORE THE MAGAZINE, VANITY FAIR.

Carla says GUILTY.

Tina says I INHALE.

Mary says COME ON!

Carla says IT HAS NOT WON A PULITZER PRIZE.

Tina says THIS IS THE CONDENSED VERSION OF THE NOVEL.

Carla says NO, NO, NO.

Tina says THIS IS PARTICULARLY SHALLOW BECAUSE IT IS TOTALLY RAINING TEENS, ALL ABOUT THE TEEN ISSUE AND THESE ARE ALL OF THE GIRLS WHO ARE VERY POPULAR IN TEEN CULTURE. SO I LOVE VANITY FAIR AND I HAVE TO SAY, ANYTHING WITH HARRISFORD ON IT. OH, PLEASE, LADIES, CAN WE TALK. PEOPLE MAGAZINE SEXIEST MAN ALIVE. 60.

Carla says HE'S 106, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

Tina says I DON'T KNOW.

Mary says YOU MEAN TO SAY, IF I WENT TO YOUR HOUSE KP LOOKED ON YOUR LIBRARY SHELF. I WOULDN'T FIND ONE LITTLE KIND OF SMUTY, LOW BROW, EVEN FEMALE EROTICA. NOTHING LIKE THAT.

Tina says NO. I AM AS BORING AS A BAG OF HAMMERS, I DON'T HAVE KBF THAT STUFF.

Carla says ALL JUST COVERS, WHEN YOU OPEN IT UP. CREAMY WHITE SKIN AND HIS...

Mary says YEAH, WHOSE TURN NOW. I THINK... YOUR BACK, BACK TO YOU?

Carla says SURE.

Mary says NEXT PICK. QUICKLY.

Carla says NEXT PIRX BIOGRAPHYS. OR UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHYS. AGAIN, IF YOU ARE TALKING SUMMER READS, MY FAVORITE WOULD KNOW LIKE MAYBE THE 20'S AND 30'S, 40'S FILM STARS BECAUSE IT IS JUST SO INTERESTING AND IT KIND OF ALLOWS YOU TO TIME TRAVEL A BIT. ONES I PICKED UP TODAY. LOOK NO FURTHER IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. THIS IS CALLED MA DON AINSIDE MADONNA GODDESS. THIS IS A LOT LIKE OSCAR WILDE. NO TISN'T. IT'S NOT AT ALL. AND AUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHYS ARE INTERESTING BECAUSE IT IS NOT ALL GOING TO BE SANITIZED. I MIND MADONNA FASCINATING. WHEN'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE AUTHOR IS THAT SHE IS A MIDDLE EAST CORRESPONDENT AND LIVES IF FRANCE SO NOT SOMEBODY WHO IS, YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO TYPICALLY WRITE THESE GOSSIPY TYPE. I THINK IT'S A GOOD PAGE TURNER. YOU ACTUALLY FIND OUT NEW THINGS ACCIDENT I THINK YOU OF MADONNA NOT A WOMAN OF MYSTERY.

Mary says MORE THAN WE NEED TO KNOW.

Carla says AS MUCH AS HER GIN KOL GIST KNOWS BUT IT WILL REVEAL INTERESTING NUGGETS.

Mary says BIO, I WANT TO ASK THOM THIS. TRYING TO THINK OF THE NAME OF THAT HOLLYWOOD BIOGRAPHER AND I LOVE READING HIS STUFF. ONE ON HITCHCOCK THAT WAS FABULOUS. DONALD. CATHERINE HEPBURN, I BELIEVE. YEAH. JUST GREAT.

Carla says THIS IS FOR LAUR AYOUR CALLER THAT JUST CALLED IN. COUGAR.

Mary says FOR LAURA. OKAY.

Carla says HER SON WAS DISTURBED AND I THINK SHE WANTS TO KNOW HOW A COUGAR ACTS, LOOKING FOR YOUNG MEAT. THIS IS VALERY GIBSON, A TORONTO SUN COLUMNIST SKPIFT WONDERFUL. FABULOUS LADY. AND SHE PENNED THIS MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO. AND IT IS A WHOLE COUGAR PHENOMENON. YOU KNOW WHAT A COUGAR IS?

Tina says I DO, YES.

Carla says YOU ARE ALWAYS HANGING OUT AT DELI, DON'T LIE. WOMEN IN THEIR 40'S WHO AUFERN DIVORCE AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR YOUNGER MEN LIKE THE DEMI MOORE ASHTON.

Mary says 25 AND 40 THING HAPPENING.

Carla says IT'S TERRIFIC. AND THE MEN ARE CALLED PREY. IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE IN YOUR 30'S. I STILL AM BARELY HANGING ON PUMA. 20 AND A CUB. AND 50 AND PLUS SABRE TOOTH.

Mary says THAT SOUNDS DESPERATE.

Carla says THAT SOUNDS MORE EXPERIENCED. BECAUSE WOMEN REACH THE SEXUAL PEAK IN THE 40'S AND MEN AT 17. I THINK SHE'S A SCIENTIST OF SORTS. SO IT'S JUST REALLY FUN HOW THE COUGAR SHOULD DRESS. THE ADVANTAGES... IT IS FUN. YEAH, ALL OF STUFF.

Mary says WE HAVE TO MOVE ON HERE.

Carla says NEVER MIND. YOU GOT TWO IN THAT TIME. BACK TO TINA HERE.

Tina says REMEMBER US? YES. NOW, THIS IS MARGARET NEW NOVEL. IT'S FABULOUS. I HAVE TO SAY. NOW ON THE FACE OF IT, YOU WOULDN'T THINK IT IS LIGHT SUMMER READING. IT'S ABOUT BIO TERRORISM. IT'S SCARY. THESE DAYS WITH SARS GOING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES YOU FOOD FOR THOUGHT, WEST NILE AND ALL THAT STUFF. IT'S ABSOLUTELY SPECTACULAR. AND THE REASON I THINK IT IS BEACH READING IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE STORY GRIPS YOU. BUT ALSO, YOU WOULD BE SO THRILLED TO ONLY SEE A SHARK COMING AT YOU IF YOU LOOKED UP INTO THE OCEAN, BECAUSE, IT'S A BOOK THAT REALLY MAKES YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING TO OUR WORLD.

Mary says I HAVE TO ASK YOU. ARE YOU A FAN OF MARK RET ATWOOD. ANYWAY.

Tina says HUGE FAN. I THINK SHE'S GREAT. NOT AT ALL.

Mary says AND YOU SEE, BEING THE HOST CAN TELL ME, JUST FROM TALKING TO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE ABOUT MARGARET ATWOOD, IT SEEMS THEY EITHER LOVE HER OR HATE HER.

Tina says PEOPLE SAY A WOMEN WRITER, SHE WRITES INCREDIBLY WELL ABOUT WOMEN LIVES GOOD AND BAD. THE BITCHY GIRL AS SHE DID IN... THAT GIRL, CAT'S EYE. SHE CAN DO THE CRUELTY OF GIRLS BETTER THAN ANY WRITER. I THINK A LOT OF MEN ARE PUT OFF BECAUSE SHE WRITES ABOUT WOMEN. THIS THIS BOOK, THE BIG DEAL THE PROTAGONIST IS A MAN. MAT MAN IS THE PERSON THAT TELLS THIS STORY. I THINK SHE'S A WONDERFUL WRITER BUT LUKE ALL WRITERS, SO SUBJECTIVE.

Mary says A BOOK OF HER THAT HAS BEEN ABLE TO STRAD EL BOTH SEXES, BOTH SEXES LIKED IT.

Tina says I THINK BOTH SEXES DO BUT MEN THAT DON'T LIKE PARING RET ATWOOD, A WOMAN WRITER THE SAME A WOMAN WRITER.

Carla says AND MAYBE THE APPEAL.

Tina says AND THE BLIND ASSASSIN, THE LAST BOOK. AND THIS IS MORE IN THE SCIENCE FICTION IS PROBABLY THE WRONG WORD BECAUSE IT'S MORE A BOOK ABOUT THE NEAR FUTURE BUT IT'S DEFINITELY IN ALONG THE LINES OF THE HANDMADE'S TALE. ALSO A FUTURIST BOOK.

Mary says TORJS EVER READ MARGARET ATWOOD.

Thom says I STARTED AND THROUGH ME OFF FOR YEARS AND YEARS BODILY HARM. BUT HANDMADE'S TAIL GOT ME BECOME ON TRACK.

Mary says THOM, SECOND PICK FOR YOU.

Thom says AS YOU KNOW, IF I CAN'T BE NEAR A MOVIE, I MAKE SURE THE MOVE ES ARE NEAR ME. I HAVE A LOT OF FILM BOOKS. THIS ONE BY PETER, EASY RIDER, RAGING BULLS, HOW THE SEX AND DRUGS, SEX DRUG AND ROCK N ROLL GENERATION SAVES THE MOVIES.

Mary says THERE WE GOVERNMENT ESSENTIAL BEACH READ.

Carla says ABOUT HOW THE 70'S, THE WAY HOLLYWOOD WAS GOING. BUT DOES REALLY A FLY IN THE WALL STORE. TELLS YOU WHAT HAPPENS AT PARTIES,

Mary says WHAT HAPPEN SNS GIVE ME A NUGGET.

Carla says AND HE MEAT WITH MAKING GREAT... MAKING GREAT FILMS AND THEIR WIVES WERE DOING SET DESIGN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. FUNNY ENOUGH. WHEN THEY GT INTO THE WHOLE DRUG GENERATION, THEY DON'T NEED THEIR WIVES KBCHLT THEIR MOVIES REALLY PLUMMETED. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REALIZING, THOSE BIG GUYS IN THE 70'S, WOMEN, THE WOMEN THAT WERE WITH THEM AT THE TIME, OBVIOUSLY HAD MORE TO DO WITH MAKING THE FILMS THAN WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT.

Tina says SO THE WIVES, YOU REMEMBER THE LAST... THE LAST FILM YOU SAW?

Carla says THEY HAD 20 PERCENT MORE BIMBOS.

Thom says AND THERE WAS DEFINITELY A... THIS IS A TELL ALL. IT MADE PETER A VERY UNPOPULAR IN HOLLYWOOD. HE TALKS ABOUT THE HOW SPEILBERG CAME IN AND INVENTED THE BLOCK BUSTER. SO ON ONE LEVEL, AND ABOUT THE 70'S AND THEN ANOTHER LEVEL, IT'S A GREAT GOSSIP TALE.

Mary says GIVE ME MORE GOSSIP.

Thom says YOU WANT MORE.

Mary says WE ARE TAUBING BEACH.

Thom says THE GREAT THING ABOUT WARREN BEAT Y. I WON'T TELL YOU WHAT HE SAID BUT IT WAS NOT NICE. AND PETER TELLS US, IF YOU EVER WATCH SATURDAY NIGHT MOVIES, RUN THIS INTERVIEW. HE TELLS THE STORY HOW HE WENT TO A PARTY AND WARREN BEAT C AND SOME OF THESE OTHER GUYS WERE THERE AND HE HAD TO AVOID THEM, JUST WALKED THROUGH THIS PARTY BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL GANGING UP, MADE AN EYE AND KIND OF NEW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE A HIGH SCHOOL GANG. HE WAS IN TROUBLE. BUT HERE IS A GOOD GEM FOR YOU. DENNIS HOPPER AND PETER FONDA SHOWING UP AT THE FIRST BOARD MEETING TO PITCH EASY RIDER. AND THEY CAME IN WITH EARRING AND PONY TAILS TO ALL OF THESE SUITS AT THE TABLE. NO, YOU WILL NOT MAKE THIS FILM. EASY RIDER CAME OUT. THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, THERE WAS NO SUITS, EVERYBODY WAS WARBING PONY TAILS AND EARRINGS. IT'S A REALLY WONDERFUL READ. AND PETER STOPS AT NOTHING IN THE STORY TELLING.

HAVE YOU INTERVIEWED Warren Beaty?

Carla says NO.

Mary says IS THAT AN INTERVIEW YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE DONE OR WOULD DO.

Carla says I AM AFRAID I WOULD BECOME MARRIED TO. BECAUSE EVERYONE DOES. NO, NO. ANNETTE BENING SAID I CAN'T MAKE THIS MOVIE WITH HIM. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. AND HAVING A CHILD, WOULD BE MARRIED OR SOME KIND OF CONCUBINE.

Mary says THEY HAVE FOUR CHILDREN NOW. A WARREN BEAT Y ATRACK THERE?

Tina says ARE YOU KID SNING GORGEOUS.

Mary says BACK TO THE SHAMPOO DAYS.

Tina says YES, IT WAS... HE IS VERY FETCHING GUY BUT I ALSO LIKED HIM. THE MADONNA BOOK. THE HIDEOUS... BIOGRAPHY. I GUESS IT WAS, THE DOCUMENTARY SHE MADE ABOUT HERSELF AND HE WAS IN IT BECAUSE THATS OF THE MAIN SQUEEZE AT THE TIME AND HOW MORT FIED HE LOOKED. HE WAS JUST SITTING THERE. I THOUGHT, I LIKE THIS MAN. YOU COULD JUST FEEL THAT HE WAS SAYING, ENOUGH MA DON A. YOU ARE ON AIR. ENOUGH. THIS IS TOO MUCH.

Carla says AND GETTING OLDER AND MAINTAIN THE SAME LOOK WITH THE LONG HAIR. AND LIKE AN AGING COUNT CHOCULA. HE'S GOT TO TAKE IT EASY HERE TEEN A.

Tina says HE'LL BE SO UPSET THAT YOU THINK THAT. DEVASTATING.

Mary says AND LET'S GO TO ANOTHER CALLER. WE HAVE TAMMY ON THE LINE FROM TORONTO. HI.

The caller says HI.

Mary says GO AHEAD.

The caller says I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, FABULOUS BOOK. I READ THIS, I BEING NOT PUT IT DOWN. EVOKED EVERY EMOTION FROM ME. A BOOK TO DO THAT IS REALLY HARD TO FIND. IT TALKS ABOUT ROMANCE TO MURDER TO FRIENDSHIPS AND DIFFICULT TIMES DURING THE WAR. TRADITION. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH A LITTLE GREEK ISLAND. IT'S JUST PHENOMENAL.

Mary says CURIOUS. DID YOU SEE THE MOVIE AS WELL?

The caller says I SIMPLY DESPISE THAT MOVIE. IT'S APPALLING. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BOOK.

Mary says YEAH. THAT'S SO TRUE. I HAVE HEARD THAT FROM SO MANY PEOPLE.

Carla says HOW OFTEN CAN YOU DO A COUNT CHOCULA. BUT THAT'S WHAT NICK CAGE'S ACT SOUNDED LIBLING. WHERE IN ITALY IS HE FROM? IT WAS HORRIFIC. HORRIBLE. OFTEN I WILL NOT GE G SEE A MOVIE BASED ON A BOOK, RARELY IF EVER MATCH UP.

Tina says THIS IS THE TROUBLE, IF YOU LOVE A BOOK, YOU ARE REALLY AT RISK. THE KPEPING I THINK IS THE HOURS MICHAEL CUNNINGHAM BOOK, BASE OD VIRGINIA WOLF MADE INTO A MOVIE. I THINK THAT MOVIE IS AS GOOD AS THE BOOK WAS THAT WAS SPECTACULAR. BUT RISKY BUSINESS GOING IT SEE.

Mary says WHAT DOW THINK, BOOK SKES AND MOVIES.

Thom says BUT THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT MEDIUMS, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WHEN A MOVIE TRIES TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THE BOOK, THAT'S TO ITS FAIR FAVOR. IF IT TRIES TO BE TRUE TO THE BOOK, THAT'S A SIGN FOR ME TO AVOID IT.

Mary says HAVE YOU COME ACROSS LATELY, BOOK AND MOVIE BOTH EQUALLY GREAT.

Thom says JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY MIND, TWO TOWERS. AND ALSO, I THINK...

Mary says REALLY? YOU THINK IT AS GOOD AS THE BOOK.

Thom says I THINK THEY... WELL, YEAH.

Mary says AS GOOD AS THE BOOK? AS GOOD AS THE BOOK?

Thom says YEAH. I HATE TO SOUND LIKE COUNT CHOCULA. YEAH.

Carla says I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING.

Thom says AS GOOD AS THE BOOK. BECAUSE THEY WERE DIFFERENT. AND I THINK... THAT'S THE SECRET.

Tina says YEAH, I THINK MOST GOOD WRITERS WILL SAY THAT, TOO. IF THEY ARE HAVING A SCREEN PLAY ADAPTED FROM THEIR BOOK. THEY WILL SAY, LOOK. IT CAN'T BE THE SAME THING. I MEAN, I HAVE GIVEN YOU 700 PAGES OF INCREDIBLY COMPLEX MATERIAL. YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT IF YOU TURN IT INTO A VISUAL MEDIUM, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A SECTION OF IT AND MAKE THAT THE STORY. WRITERS WILL OFTEN SAY, I SAID TO THEM, DIDN'T YOU MISS THE PART WHERE THEY LEFT OUT THIS WHOLE SECTION ON SUCH AND SUCH. NO. IT IS A DIFFERENT MEDIUM.

Mary says DO WE HAVE JOHN IR VINING FANS HERE.

Tina says I LIKE JOHN IRVING.

Mary says A NUMBER HAVE BEEN MADE INTO MOVIES.

Tina says I THINK SUCCESSFULY, BECAUSE THIS'S THE FORMULA AND HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF THAT, I THINK HE'S DONE, HAS HE DONE A SCREEN PLAM FOR A FILM.

Mary says I THINK HE DID.

Tina says BUT CIDER HOUSE RULES, I THOUGHT WAS GREAT.

Mary says FAVORITE BOOK AND ALSO OF ALL OF THE MOVIES.

Tina says THERE'S THE PERFECT EXAMPLE BECAUSE IN THE MOVIE RBLTION THE WHOLE MOTIVATING FORCE FOR WHY THE DOCTOR HAS BEEN LEFT OUT IS LEFT OUT.

Mary says IT'S IN THE BOOK BUT NOT THE MOVIE.

Carla says YOU AND BOTH IN THE HIGH FIDELITY. A TAD DARKER THAN THE MOVIE WAS AND ABOUT A BOY, I THOUGHT WAS SPECTACULAR. A HUGE PART OF THE BOOK THAT WAS NOT IN THE MOVEY AND IT WRAPPED UP NICE AND NEAT. THERE WAS A HAPPY ENDING.

Mary says RIGHT. OKAY. WE ARE BACK TO YOU. ANOTHER PICK.

Carla says NO, I HAVE LOST IT.

Mary says OKAY. ATENING SPAN.

Carla says EXACTLY. THREE YEAR OLD. THIS IS MY LAST AUTO BIOGRAPHY. AND NOW TYPICALLY I WOULDN'T PICK UP SOMETHING, NO LIFE GUARD ON DUTY.

Mary says THE ACTUAL REAL LIFE OF THE WORLD'S FIRST SUPER MODEL?

Carla says SHE WAS THE WORLD'S FIRST SUPER MODEL. NEVER HEARD OF TER HER. WHEN YOU WRITE THE BOOK, YOU GET TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU ARE. MOESTLY SUPER MODELS SCARE ME. I WAS BITTEN BY ONE AS A CHILD. I DON'T CARE. THIS IS JUST A CRAZY RAGS TO RICHS AND THE STORY.

Mary says SO THAT IS HER.

Carla says I THINK THOM, YOU WOULD LOVE THIS, YOU LIKE BOOKS WITH... I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO ON THE WBLINGD BUT THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE THE SAME VEIN OF WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. JUST TALK BEING ALL OF THE MEN SHE HAS SHARED THE BED WITH. AND SO YOU GET TWO THINGS UP THERE FASCINATING, ONE BEING WARREN BEAT Y SCREAMS OUT HIS OWN NAME. AGAIN. AND ALSO. THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL LIKE, I KNOW I FELT LIKE VERY PURE. BECAUSE I AM LIKE WOW ACCIDENT A LOT OF PEOPLE. I FEEL GOOD ABOUT ME.

Tina says WHAT DOES SHE SAY ABOUT THE MODELING INDUSTRY? TRASH IT?

Carla says IT'S HORRIBLE. IT'S A PRETTY UGLY REAL ACCOUNT OF WHAT HAPPENS WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HER. BEING DIPPED IN VATS OF BOT OX AS WE SPEAK. SHE'S AUTHORING BOOKS. A COUGAR. THE ULTIMATE SOOK. UNVARNISH AND RAW, A LIFELONG TRADEMARK. MUCH HUMER. CHERYL TIERK GS AM AND IN IT FOR THAT. A FULL ENDORSEMENT. IT DOESN'T GET... SUM IR READING, ALL RIGHT.

Tina says YOU ARE VICIOUS. I LIKE CHERYL TIEGS. SHE WAS GREAT. A LOVELY SINGING VOICE.

Carla says JUST TALK BEING HER THE OTHER DAY.

Mary says WHO WAS SHE MARRIED TO?

Tina says A MAN.

Carla says YEAH.

Mary says OKAY.

Carla says NOW I CAN'T THINK OF IT HAVING A DEBATE WHO WOULD BE PRODUCER. I KNOW.

Mary says SOMEONE THOUGHT SHE WAS MARRIED TO A RELATIVE OR A SON OF GREGORY PECK.

Carla says THE GRANDSON.

Mary says CLEARED THAT UP. WHATATE NEXT ONE.

Tina says THIS BOOK A COUPLE OF YEARS OLD, MAYBE FIF. THE COLONY OF UNREQUIETED DREAMS. JUST SIMPLY SPECTACULAR BOOK.

Mary says NOMINATED FOR A GILLER?

Tina says IT WAS. IT DIDN'T WIN AND I THINK IT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE. NAVIGATOR OF NEW YORK THAT ALSO GOT RAVE REVIEWS. HE IS JUST A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL WRITER. THIS IS THE STORY OF JOEY SMALLWOOD AND WHAT THEY CALL NOW FACTION. IT'S A MIX OF FACT AND FICTION. IT'S JUST WONDERFULY WRITTEN. AND THE OTHER MAIN CHARACTER IN THE BOOK. AND COMPLETELY MADE UP AND THEY HAVE JOEY SMALLWOOD FALL NOTHING LOVE THE A VERY YOUNG AGE. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BOOK IS SPECTACULAR. AND AGAIN, IN THE BEACH READING CATEGORY, THE REFERENCE TO SNOW. WEIGHS LIKE 90 POUNTEDS, TOOK IT INTO HIS HEAD AND GONE TO NEW YORK WHERE HE WANTED TO EXAMINE SOCIALISM. CAME BACK TO NEW FOUND LAND WHAT CAN I DO EXCEPT BECOME PREMIER THAT HE DID LATER. HE DECIDED TO WALK AROUND AND SIGN UP ALL OF THE LINESMEN, THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED ON THE REMOTE RAIL STATIONS ACROSS NEW FINLAND AND WALKED ACROSS THE ISLAND AND JUST A TINY LITTLE GUY AND DOWN TO PROBABLY 68 BY THE END AM AND THERE'S THIS ONE THING. A SNOW STORM COMES UP AND IT IS OCTOBER SKPPLT HE WALKS ON TO THE BLIZZARD, NEARLY DIES AND GETS RESCUED. JUST AN AMAZING STORY. WHEN I READ THIS FIVE YEARS AGO, HAPPENED TO BE ON A BEACH RID READING IT AND THE PART ABOUT THE SNOW STORM AND EVERYTHING DISAPPEARED, ALL OF THE PALM TREES DISAPPEARED. MAY NOT BE A GOOD THING. MY POINT IS TAKE YOU SO INTO THE MOMENT WITH HIM. IF YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT NEW FOUND LAND AND THE FIGHT AND THE FED RAING OF 1989. IT'S A SPECTACULAR HISTORICAL NOVEL.

Mary says AM ALL THREE OF YOU ARE READERS HOW LOST CAN YOU GET INTO A BOOK?

Tina says COMPLETELY. I POR GET WHERE I AM. I COULDN'T. I KONT HAVE, YOU KNOW, MY LITTLE BIFOCALS WOULD COLLAPSE, EXPLODE. I COULDN'T POSSIBLY READ A BOOK RIK THAT IN ONE SITTING.

Carla says I MISA BOOK WHEN IT IS DONE. IT IS TYPICALLY, AT LEAST FOR ME, WHEN I AM ON VACATION OR QUIET OR DOWN TIME, AND AND THE LAST PAGE.

Tina says WOULD YOU FIND ACCIDENT YOU KNOW, I FEEL DOWN WHEN I COME TOWARDS THE END, COMING TOWARD THE END OF A BOOK I LOVE, OH, NO, OH, NO. ONLY THREE MORE PAGES, THEN I READ IT KP THEN I READ IT AGAIN. JUST SO I CAN SAVOR. WELL, OF COURSE, ALREADY THREE BOOKS. DIAGRAM HAVE A CIGARETTE.

Mary says THE REASON WHY I ASK IT TIS BECAUSE DO OTHER PEOPLE DO THIS, I MISSED FLIGHTS, BEEN IN AIRPORTS AND MISSED FLIGHTS, I HAVE BEEN IN A BOOK STORE AND JUST HAPHAZARD, GOING THROUGH BOOKS AND PICKED ONE UP AND STOOD THERE AND READ THE WHOLE THING. IT'S NOT BECAUSE I'M CHEAP. IT'S BECAUSE I'M SO INVOLVED.

Carla says AND MOSTLY CHEAP. AND A BIT OF A LOITERER.

Mary says YOU KNOW. THOM, YOUR NEXT PICK.

Thom says READING BOOKS AND THE RELATIONSHIP. A LOT OF PEOPLE KEEP BOOKS IN PRIS TEEN CONDITION, OPEN, HIGHLIGHTING, MAKESING NOTES.

Mary says MAKING NOTES.

Thom says I MARK, I THINK YOU... THERE'S TWO PEOPLE THERE A TWO REASONS TO HAVE A BOOK. SHOW OFF WHAT YOU ARE READING AND-OR TO DEVOUR AND MAKE THEM YOUR OWN. AND I BELIEVE IN DEVOURING YOUR BOOK AND, YOU NL, YOU COULD RECOMMEND...

Mary says THAT'S HAVE INTERESTING.

Carla says OH, SLUT LEEMENT ALL OF THE TIME. I DO THAT FOR WORK BECAUSE IT'S WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING BUT I NEVER READ WITHOUT A PEN IN MY HAND. I ALWAYS MARK LITTLE THINGS BECAUSE I WANT TO FIND THEM.

Tina says NEVER WITHOUT A DRINK IN MY HAND.

Carla says OH, NO, I'M WITH YOU. ALSO WITH ABUSING... NOT ABUSING...

Tina says MAKE THEM YOUR OWN. DROPPED BOOKS INTO THE BATH TUCHBLT THEY ARE PART OF YOUR LIFE AND SHOULD GET DOG EARED AND REFUSED AND I DON'T MIND TURNING THE PAGES DOWN AND THAT STUFF. I THINK BOOKS ARE PART OF LIFE.

Thom says WE INTERVIEWED. COMED THE WOODY ALLEN, ONE OF THE ONLY TIME I BROUGHT A BOOK TO BE SIGNED AND IT WAS TAT SKPERD TORN AND MARK, SOMEONE WHO READS BOOKS, I THOUGHT FROM THEN ON, I HAVE PERMISSION TO DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH MY BOOKS AM ANOTHER MOVIE BOOK BUT WRITTEN BY SCREEN WRITER. TWO WHO DID BUTCH KAS IDY AND THE SUN DANCE KID WRITE A SCRIPT AND PEOPLE WOULD NOT TOUCH IT. AND SOME OF THE BEST MOVIES, EVER BEEN WRITTEN BY THIS MAN. AND IT IS HIS, I THINK, THIRD, SECOND OR THIRD BOOK IN THE LINES OF HOW TERRIBLE TO BE A SCREEN WRITER IN HOLLYWOOD. AND THIS IS... LOOK AT THIS. AND THIS IS NOT ME. HOW TO REWRITE. SNUKZAL BUT.

Mary says I WANT TO SKU. HOW TERRIBLE TO BE A SCREEN WRITER, DO YOU MEAN IN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF HOLLYWOOD OR GENERALLY?

Thom says IT'S HARD. IT IS STILL HARD FOR HIM. YOU WANT TO PHONE UP THE PEOPLE LIKE... THERE IS A MOVE BE THESE LIONS, I REALLY CAN'T AM THE TITLE. HE SHOWS YOU THE SCRIPT HE WROTE AND THEN YOU GO SEE THE MOVIE THAT HAPPENED TO IT AND THEN YOU WANT TO PHONE UP THE PEOPLE ASK SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU... KAEP COMING UP WITH MUY, MISERY.

Mary says YEAH.

Thom says AND YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, PHENOMENAL ACCIDENT A GREAT WRITER AND IT READS LIKE A NOF SKPEL THEN YOU GET THAT WONDERFUL LIKE THIS AGAIN, WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, HE JUST MARKS UP STEEFERN KING'S BOOK MISERY AND SHOWS YOU HOW TO PUT IT INTO A SCRIPT. IT'S INFORMATIVE BUT ALSO A FUN READ.

Mary says THAT SOUNDS GREAT. HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF THOSE MOVIES

Tina says OH, YEAH. THEY'RE GREAT. HE'S SUCH A SMART MAN. NOT YOUR REGULAR SCREEN WRITER, THE THING, IT MIGHT BE A HARD LIFE BUT THE PAY SAUF PRETTY DAMN BIG.

Thom says YEAH.

Tina says THESE GUYS MAKE TONS AND TONS OF MON ECHL.

Carla says AND AN I UNDERSTAND KAING OF HOW SUCCESSFUL YOU ARE WHEN YOUR POP CULTURE... WHEN YOUR REFERENCES MAKE IT INTO POP CULTURE, EVERY MOVIE, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN THINK OF LIKE A TAG LINE.

Mary says YEAH, WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE MOVIE, DOW THINK?

Carla says THAT IS A TOUGH ONE. I THINK MARATHON MAN HAD THE MOST IMPACT. MAYBE NOT MY FAVORITE. THE SCENE. YEAH.

Thom says AT WHAT STAGE OF A SCREEN WRITER DO YOU HAVE TO GET BEFORE NO ONE TOUCHES YOUR SCRIPT. BEFORE NO ONE QUESTIONS WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN?

Tina says DOES THAT EVER HAPPEN?

Thom says I DON'T THINK SO.

Tina says AND ONE PERSON AND ONE PERSON, OR IT IS NOT OR THE LITTLE MITS ON IT AND THEIR MARK ON IT AND STUDIO HEADS CHAEFERJ AM OH, NO. I THINK IT IS OF INTEREST.

Carla says TAKE THESE BEAUTIFUL WORKS OF ART AND MENTION. A 15 YEAR OLD WITH A HOT CHICK. INAPPROPRIATE, PRISON MOVIE. SHE GOT LOST.

Tina says ACTUALLY HAS MADE IF THROUGH WITHOUT A TROPHY GIRL.

Mary says AND AN E-MAIL FOR US. WE HAVE AN E-MAIL FOR US.

A slate reads "Is it possible to kill great books by using too much publicity? Usually, I don't buy books if I've heard about them everywhere. Can a Bestseller lose its success? Also, as a student I find book prices very high, am I wrong? Julieta."

Mary says THE FIRST QUESTION, PUBLICITY.

Tina says AND THEN WONT WORK THAT WAY. AND THEN TALK ABOUT TOO MUCH PUBLICITY AM AND WHAT THEY CAN DO. AND YOU TRAILER, YOU HAVE SEEN THE MOVEY AND ONLY FIVE MINUTES LONG. I THINK IF YOU HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT A BOOK AND HOW FABULOUS. YOU CAN BE DISAPPOINTED EITHER BECAUSE IT DIDN'T DO IT FOR YOU. AND THEN HOW COME EVERYBODY GT A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. AND I CAN'T MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OF IT. EXACTLY.

Carla says FI WAS EVER ON, YOU KNOW WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE, THAT WOULD BE MY PHONE A FRIEND WOULD BE STEEFERN HAWKINS. REALLY. DIAGRAM BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST FANATIC WITH IT.

Tina says PEOPLE DO GET ANNOYED, I THOUGHT THE BEST BOOK OF LAST YEAR WAS THE BOOK, THE CORRECTION.

Carla says OH, YEAH.

Tina says THE ONE THAT GOT, FOR OPRAH AND QUIT HER BOOK CLUB SHE WAS SO ANNOYED. I DON'T THINK HE WAS HAPPY WITH THE PUBLICITY ON ONE LEVEL BECAUSE HE LIKES TO SEE HIMSELF AS A CREATOR OF LITERARY WORK. ON ANOTHER LEVEL, COME ON. PEOPLE ARE, THAT BOOK WAS FLYING OFF OF THE SHELF AS IT SHOULD HAVE DONE. IT WAS A SPECTACULAR BOOK AND DESERVED ALL OF THE PRAISE.

Mary says HOW DO YOU END UP CHOOSING THE BOOKS YOU READ. DO YOU READ THE REVIEW, FREBD FRIENDS, WORD OF MOUTH.

Carla says AUFERN WORD OF MOUTH. SUGGESTED READING. SOMETIMES IT IS BECAUSE, AND AS YOU KNOW BOTH, YOU ARE INTERVIEWING SOMEONE AND INTRODUCED THAT WAY OR YOU TRY GET YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND READS A LOT OF POLITICAL SITUATIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND THAT'S, EVERY FOU AND THEN I TRY TO ADD THAT MORE WELL ROUNDED. I HEARD IT WAS SUMMER READING LIST. PULITZER PRIZE. I HAVE DONE MYSELF DOWN FOR THIS. I COULD HAVE BROUGHT SOME...

Mary says WE HAVE ONE MORE AM AND THEN HER BOOK. BRING THAT OUT.

Carla says AM DOING WELL. SHE'S A DOCTOR. SHE'S A STRONG WOMAN THAT EMBODIES EVERYTHING IN 2003. I LOVE... I READ FEWER OF THESE NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST SO DARN VIOLENT AND I DON'T WANT TO BE MY LAST IMAGE.

Mary says IF YOU GOT MORE, I REALLY LIKE THE EARLY.

Carla says LOADS OF CHARM.

Mary says READ A LOT OF HER.

Carla says PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

Mary says MY FAVORITE WAS THE BODY FARM.

Carla says A ALMOST BROUGHT THE BODY FARM BECAUSE HER NEMESIS, A LEAP YEAR LESBIAN.

Mary says WHAT IS A LEAP YEAR LESBIAN?

Tina says EVERY FOUR YEARS.

Carla says SHE IS SUCH AN EVIL NEMESIS, SHE MORPHS INTO WHATEVER SHE NEEDS TO.

Mary says AND THE STORY, IF YOU LIKE HER... AND THE BRITISH. FABULOUS. FAVORITE OF HERS.

Carla says ANY KIND OF CRIME DRAMA.

Mary says YOU KNOW, CAN I ADD ONE OF MY MINE. I BROUGHT IF ONE. THIS IS TRUE, BEACH READING. DUH LIKE HER IF...

Carla says YEAH, VERY MUCH.

Mary says I READ EVERYTHING OF HERS, WONDERFUL SMALL TOWN IRISH LIFE, YOU REALLY GET INTO THE CHARACTERS, EFFORTLESS READING, STAND IN THE BOOK STORE AND READ THIS IN ONE SHOT KIND OF THING. ANY LAST WORDS?

Tina says I MET MAY, INTERVIEWED HER ONCE YEARS AGO. SHE'S FABULOUS. SO DELIGHTFUL. ONE OF THE BEST THING ABOUT INTERVIEW IR WRITERS, THEY ARE USUALLY SO HUMBLE. EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SO WILDLY POPULAR AND PEOPLE ARE JUST THRILLED TO BE NEAR THEM. SHE WAS JUST, YOUR REGULAR ORDINARY WOMAN. LOVELY. LOVELY WOMAN AM MAYOR EMENT.

Mary says THIS WAS A LOVELY DISCUSSION. THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR COMING IN. WE'LL DO IT AGAIN.

Carla says I FEEL LIKE A RODEO CLOWN, IT'S DISTRACTING.

Mary says OKAY. CARLA COLLINS, THE HOST OF CARLA AND COMPANY ON MIX 99.9 IN TO AREN'T OH THOM, A TV PRODUCER AND MOVIE REVIEWER HERE AT TVO AND ALSO TINA, THE HOST OF TVO IMPRINT. NOW FOR MORE ON CARLA, IF YOU DENT GET ENOUGH TODAY...

A slate reads "Carla Collins, www.mix999.com."

It changes to "Imprint. Wednesdays, 7:30 pm. Saturday night at the movies. Saturdays, 8 pm."

Mary says CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR WINNER, WHOEVER THEY'RE. WE'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU. NOW YOU KNOW MANY OF US SECRETLY FANTASIZE ABOUT WRITING THAT GREAT CANADIAN NOVEL. BUT FAR MORE SO IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE WITH LITERACY. BRIDGETTE SUITE USED TO BE IN THIS CATEGORY BUT THE BEAT THE STREET PROGRAM HELPED HER CONQUER HER PROBLEMS, SHE WON A CONTEST, THE WORD ON THE STREET BOOK FAIR. TVO IMPRINT WAS THERE TO CATCH ALL OF THE ACTION.

A clip plays on screen showing several copies of "The land that I dream of."

A female voice says THE LAND THAT I DREAM OF IS A CULL MI NAING OF LITERACY PROJECT, THE WORD ON THE STREET LAUNCHED THIS YEAR IN PARTNERSHIP WITH MOVEMENT FOR LITERACY AND THE NATIONAL LITERACY.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Trish McGrath. 'The word on the street.'"

Trish, in her late thirties, with brown hair in a bun, stands on a crowded street and says WE SET OUT TO STRENGTHEN TIES OF LITERACY PROGRAMS BY HOLDING A SERIES OF CREATIVE WRITING WORKSHOPS AND THEN HOLDING A CONTEST F WHERE LERNS WERE IB VITED TO SUBMIT PIECES THAT WE PUBLISHED IN THE BOOK, THE LAND THAT I DREAM OF.

A woman in her forties with curly red hair approaches a microphone and says HI. I AM BRIDGETTE. I AM SO EXCITED TO BE HERE. I AM ABOUT TO FALL DOWN. THANK YOU. I WAS VERY SURPRISED WHEN I HEARD THAT I WON. AND WOW. I AM GOING TO WRITE SOME MORE. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.

People clap and cheer.

Now inside a meeting room, a young woman addresses a group of about a dozen people abnd says FREE WRITE SUGGEST WHATEVER COMES INTO YOUR HEAD, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE STRUCTURE, ANY FORM. YOU CAN WRITE WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO WRITE.

The caption changes to "Bridget Sweet. Writing Contest Winner."

Bridget says IN THE BEGIN RNING THE CREATIVE WRITING CLASSES, THEY WERE KIND OF HARD. I WASN'T USED TO WRITING THINGS AND GOT US TO DO FREE WRITING WHERE WE ROT ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN OUR MIND. BASICALLY IT WAS TO OPEN UP OUR MIND AND GET THINGS READY. AT BEAT THE STREET TOLD ABOUT A WRITING CONTEST. THE THEME WAS A LAND THAT I DREAM OF. IN THE BEGINNING, I HAD A HARD TIME TRYING TO DRAW IN THAT CONCEPT. I CAME OVER HERE AND I SAT ON THE BENCH AND I JUST STARTED TO DOODLE AND WRITE DOWN SOME WORDS. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT STARTED TO COME TO ME, IT WAS LIKE A DAM BRIK BREAKING, AND JUST LIKE A WHOOSH.

She reads
PURE WHITE LIGHTEN GULFS ME AS I PASS FURTHER INTO THE OPENING OF MY SUBCONSCIOUS, WHERE ALL OF MY MOST PRIVATE THOUGHTS ARE HELD AT BAY FROM THE PRYING EYES OF THE OUTER WORLD.

A woman in her forties with short blond hair stands on a street.

A caption reads "Lurana Kruchten. 'Beat the street.'"

Lurana says WHEN SHE RECEIVED THE AWARD. I SUPPORT PERSON, AND I WORK IN THE PROGRAM BBUT IT GOES WAY DEEPER TO THAT IN. I WAS JUST REALLY PROUD OF HER AND REALLY DPLAD SHOE TOOK THE BRISK.

Bridget says HOLD IT IN MY HANDS, WAS SO, EXHILARATING. IT WAS SUCH A PICK UP. I WAS LIKE, SO BOOSTED. I STARTED TO SWEAT, I WANTED TO CRY. I JUST WANTED TO JUMP AND SCREEN AND HIKE HOLLY COUPLE

Now inside an office, a young man picks up a phone and says GOOD MORNING. BEAT THE STREET.

Lurana says LITERACY PROGRAMS LIKE BEAT THE STREET ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY OPEN DOORS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE DISEN CHOOSED. PEOPLE WHOL ARE LIVING ON THE STREETS OR IN SHELTERS, THEY WOULD HAVE NO WAY TO REENTER THE SYSTEM. IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO TO T. A PERSON WALKING THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR OF BEAT THE STREET. I DATE AND IN A SOCIETY WHERE IT IS SO PRACHBT TO BE ABLE TO FAD.

As black and white family pictures flash by, Bridget says AND THEY SAID, YOU CAN'T STAY HERE. SO I LEFT SCHOOL. AND THEN THINGS WENT DOWNHILL FROM THERE. I CAME FROM A DIVORCED MOTHER AND IN THOSE TIMES IT WAS... IT WAS NOT A VERY GOOD THING. BEING PASSED OFF TO FAMILY MEMBER TO CHILDREN AID TO ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER, TO ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER. WHEN I HAD CHILDREN ON MY OWN, I SAID I WASN'T GOING TO DO THAT. THEY WERE GOING STAY WITH ME. SO, FOR ME TO GO TO SCHOOL, IT WAS A NO-NO. THEN I WOULD BE LEEFERING MY CHILDREN. IT'S HARD TO GET A JOB OR GO-GO.

As she uses a computer, a man stands next to her and says EVERY I AND CREATING A HOT MAIL, RIGHT.

She says OKAY.

He says YOU ARE A NEW USER, YOU GO TO SIGN UP.

Lurana says THE BIGGEST THING I SEEN IN BRIDGETTE IS HER SENSE OF CONFIDENCE IF HERDZ AND HAD IN HER SCHOOL, YOU KNOW ACCIDENT SHE JUST REALLY DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT SHE COULD DO ANYTHING AND, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS 6 KIDS, I THINK FOUR OF THEM ARE STILL AT HOME. SO, SHE HAS BEEN SO FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THEM GOING, WORKING ON JUST RUNNING THE HOUSEHOLD AND DEALING WITH ALL OF THE ISSUES, SHE HAS NOT HAD A LOT OF TIME TO DEVELOP HER OWN SKILLS.

As Bridget shops with children, one of them says AN ICE CREAM IN A CUP.

She says AN ICE CREAM IN A CUP AND SPLIT IT?

Bridget says BEAT THE STREET IS THE ATMOSPHERE, NOBODY IS SHOVING YOU. YOU WORK AT YOUR OWN PACE. AND I CAN LEAVE AND WITHOUT AFRAID I AM GK TO BE KICKED OUT.

Lurana says SHE CAN WRITE IT, SHE KNOWS SHE CAN WRIMENT SURE SHE HAS A LONG WAY TO GO FOR FINE DETAIL. SHE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO WRITE CREATE TIFLY AND THAT WOULD BE GRAY GREAT. SHE NEEDS TO SUPPORT HERSELF KP HER FAMILY. SO WORKING ON THE WRITING SKILLS TO THE POINT MAYBE WORK IN AN OFFICE WITH HER COMPUTER SKILLS AND ABLE TO WORK TEMP JOBS OR PART TIME OFFICE WORKERS, I THINK SHE BELIEVES SHE CAN DO THAT AND IT'S A HUGE CHANGE.

Bridget says FROM THE TIME OF DOING THE AWARDS AND RECEIVES MY BOOK AND SITTING DOWN AND READ TING, I HAVE BEEN IN TOTAL AWE. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING AND IT IS WRITTEN IN A BOOK THAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL READ. IT IS THINKING IN AND IT JUST MAKES ME WANT TO GO FARTHER.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Mary says SO NOW YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET PUBLISHED. I RECENTLY SPOKE WITH PRI SIHLA. TEACHES CREATIVE WRITING AT YORK UNIVERSITY. STAY TUNED FOR THAT. AT SOME POINT IN OUR LIVES, MANY OF US HAVE HAD THE ABSURD DREAM OF BECOMING A FAMOUS WRITER. SO MANY OF US THAT THE PHRASE, I'M A WRITER HAS BECOME CLICHE. WELL IT'S TIME TO SEPARATE THE WEAK FROM THE TOUGH OR THE WRITERS FROM THE POSERS, DO YOU REALLY HAVE WHAT IT TAKES? ONE WAY TO FIND OUT IS BY GETTING YOUR WORK PUBLISHED. BUT JUST TIPPING YOUR TOE INTO THE SEA OF PUBLISHING CAN BE A NERVE WRACKING EXPERIENCE AM AND SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HELP YOU OUT TODAY. PRI SILA S A PROFESS SKPOR CORD NATOR WRITING PROGRAM OF THE NEW YORK UNIVERSITY. AT THE TENDER AGE OF 28 AM SHE HAS PUBLISHED ONE NOVEL, THE DIVINE ECONOMY OF SAL VAGUE AND THREE BOOKS OF ET PO REE AND TELLYING ME THE DOS AND DON'TS OF GETTING PUBLISHED.

Priscilla is in her twenties, with long curly brown hair. She's wearing a lavender suit.
A picture shows four of her books. The covers are black, featuring black and white pictures.

Mary says HOW ARE YOU today? SO FOUR BOOKS, YOU ARE 28 YEARS OLD, WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING WITH YOURSELF? I AM SURE IF YOU CUT OUT SLEEPING, COULD HAVE HAD A FIFTH BOOK.

The caption changes to "Priscila Uppal. Professor and Author."

Priscila says I AM THINKING ABOUT THAT, IF I COULD, I WOULD. BUT, I KNEW WHAT I WANTED TO DO FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE AM SO I WAS ALWAYS WRITING, I WAS ALWAYS READING. I THINK THAT'S A BIG KEY TO LOVE BOOKS, AND THEN IF YOU LOVE THE BOOKS, YOU WILL LOVE THE WRITING AND THE WORK IT TAKES TO BECOME A GOOD WRITER.

Mary says DO YOU FIND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER WRIDER, ALL RERDS AND THEY HAVE ALL BEEN RIGHTING ALL OF THEIR LIVES.

Priscila says NOT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ALL WRITING BUT DIAGONAL ALL BEEN READERS, AND SO THAT THEY HAVE BEEN, DEEPLY INVOLVED IN BOOKS IN LITERATURE IN WHAT THEY DO AND THEN, ALSO THAT USUALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BEEN SECRETLY WRITING AS WELL BUT MAYBE THEY HAVE NOT DEVOTED AS MUCH TIME AND THEN SOMETHING OCCURS TO THEM WHERE THEY GET THE DESIRE AND YOU FO NOW, I AM GOING TO DEVOTE TIME TO WRITING. AND TO LEARN THE CRAFT.

Mary says BUT... OKAY, NOW A DIFFERENCE, T THAN JUST WRITING AND WRITING BECAUSE YOU ENJOY IT AND THEN GETTING PUBLISHED. HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN KBROUR FIRST BOOK WAS PUBLISHED?

Priscila says MY FIRST BOOK WAS PUBLISHED WHEN I WAS 23. IT IS QUITE RARE. THE AVERAGE AGE TO HAVE A FIRST BOOK PUBLISHED IS 35. IN CANADA. SO...

Mary says HOW DID THAT HAPPEN AT 23?

Priscila says IT HAPPENED BECAUSE WHAT I DID, I WENT TO YORK UNIVERSITY, I AM ACTUALLY FROM THE CREATIVE WRITING PROGRAM, THE SAME PROGRAM I NOW TEACH IN. I WENT THERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT TO BE AROUND WRITERS, TO BE HELPED ALSO, GUIDED WITH WHAT TO READ, TO HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING AT MY WRITING AND HELPING ME WITH IT. AND THINGS THAT EVEN STUDENTS WERE DOING THEMSELVES, PULTING TOGETHER THE KINKO COPYER, YOU KNOW LITTLE PUBLICATIONS LIKE THAT. AND THEN SOME OF MY TEACHERS TOOK NOTICE OF WHAT I WAS DOING. AND THE EVENTUALLY APPROACHED A PUBLISHER EXILE ADDITIONS, APPROACHED EXILE AND AUMS HAD THE MAGAZINE AND THE EDITOR KP PUBLISHER OF THAT MAGAZINE, ALSO A WRITER THIMZ, SAID, I LIKE HER WORK, I'LL PUBLISH 10 OF HER POEMS IN OUR MAGAZINE. AND THEN ONCE THAT WAS PUBLISHED. HE SAID, THAT WENT REALLY WELL, HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON A BOOK IF? AND SO, IT WAS REALLY A LEAP AND SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED VERY FAST. SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE REGULAR WAY THAT PEOPLE GET PUBLISHED.

Mary says IT WAS KIND OF INCREMENTAL. SMOG SPALL SNOOM DOW THINK YOUR CHANCE ARE BETTER THEN, EEM OUT THERE.

Priscila says IF THEY STAR SAUF OR SOMETHING THALD SUBMIT TO A NOVEL AND OPPOSED TO PUBLISHING A FEW THINGS IN DIFFERENT MAGAZINES OR, EVEN JUST, SOME PEOPLE REALLY JUST WRITE SOMETHING, THEY WANT ONE BOOK OUT THERE. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, IF IT DOES REALLY WELL OR NOT. EVERYBODY WRITER HAS THEIR OWN GOALS. IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT THEIR PUBLISHING TO ACCOMPLISH. JUST TO SPEAK TO A FEW PEOPLE, IS IT TO SPEAK TO A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY. MAYBE YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUNG WOMEN, FOR EXAMPLE. OR YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR ITALIAN BACKGROUND. MAYBE YOU WANT A LARGER AUDIENCE. I KNOW MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY, OF COURSE YOU WANT THE LARGE AUDIENCE.

Mary says WE WANT EVERYONE TO READ OUR BOOK.

Priscila says YOU WANT TO BE A WORLDWIDE SENSATION AS AN AUTHOR BUT, IN FACT, IT'S THE SAME AS MUSIC. NOT EVERYONE THAT PICKS UP AN INSTRUMENT REALLY WANTS TO BE ON TOUR EVERY YEAR OF THEIR RIFES UPON. I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO A... SOME PEOPLE WANT TO BE TART OF AND ACTUALLY BEING A WRID WRITER IS SOMEWHAT THE SAME. I THINK THE WRITER ONCE THEY THINK ABOUT WHA GOALS ARE, THEN YOU CAN START TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR YOURSELF. IF YOUR GOAL IS TO BE PUBLISHED IN TERPS OF A CAREER I THINK YOU WILL BE I THINKING IN TERMS, BUILDING UP A RESUME, LIKE ANY OTHER JOB, YOU START SENDING OUT TO SMALL MAGAZINES, SMALLER PUBLISHING HOUSES AND THEN GETTING SOME ATTENTION THAT WAY. SO THAT THE LARGER HOUSES, YOU BECOME A BIT OF A KNOWN QANTITY BEFORE THEY TAKE YOU ON THAT'S THE GENERAL WAY THAT THINGS HAPPEN.

Mary says IF YOU HAVE A FINISHED MANUSCRIPT AND DOW KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOALS ARE AND MAYBE WHO YOUR TARGET AUDIENCE IS, THAT'S WHEN YOU START SENDING OUT WHAT? YOU SEND YOUR MANUSCRIPT. WHAT DO YOU SEND OUT TO THE SMALL HOUSES?

Priscila says I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO SEND OUT A PORTION OF A FINISHED MANUSCRIPT. WITH A LETTER THAT AM AND THEY RECEIVE SO MANY, THEY RECEIVE SO MANY YOUTHFULS, SO MANY MANU ST-- YOU GET A LITTLE GIT. A DAFT AND MAYBE ONE TO INTRODUCE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE REST OF THE BOOK. YU ARE THE PERSON TOR WRITE THIS THE OTHER THINGS THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST OR THE NEWS THING YOU STANING TO ME. AND BENEFIT.

Mary says THAT IS A VERY GOOD POINT.

Priscila says BECAUSE SPECIAL... HOUSES CAN SPECIALIZE IN CERTAIN TYPES OF BOOKS.

Mary says THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT.

Priscila says VERY IMPORTANT, INTERVIEW IN THE SAME WAY, YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT COMPANY, SO YOU AS A WRITER, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE SENDING YOUR WORK.

Mary says SO IS IT ALWAYS KEY THAN IN A JOB, THE COVERING LETTER IS SO IMPORTANT. ARE THEIR CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD PUT IN YOURLET TORE THE PUBLISHING COMPANY?

Priscila says YOU SHOULD PUT IN THE LETTER A BRIEF BIO AND I THINK THAT ALSO SOME INDICATION OF WHAT THE BOOK IS. I WOULDN'T EXPLAIN THE BOOK OR TRY AND FLATER YOURSELF TOO MUCH. YOU KNOW, KIND OF BE CONCEITED ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO READ. IT IS OFFPUTTING, PUBLISHERS DON'T TEND TO LIKE IF AN AUTHOR OVER EXPLAINS. SO, GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, A PAGE OR TWO PAGES, SAME WITH THE COVER LETTER. MAKE IT SHORT. MAKE IT TO THE POINT. BUT MAKE SURE THAT YOU INCLUDE THE VITAL SNCHLZ.

Mary says WOUTS BEING CONCEITED, SELLING YOURSELF IN A SENSE THAT, YOU HAVE OTHER PUBLISHED WORKS. IS IT IMPORTANT THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT THAT?

Priscila says YES, THAT WOULD COME IN YOUR BIO. YOU WOULD WRITE, YOU HAVE WURBED BUT WON A CONTEST OR HONORABLE MENTION. YOU CAN PUT IN ANY UB KAINGZ. CORE ERD AND SHE DID SOME EDITING WORK OR IF YOU WERE WORKED ON A MAGAZINE, EVEN IF YOU WERE NOT ONE OF THE WRITERS, OR IF YOU TOOK A COURSES IN WRITING, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT THAT IN AS WELL.

Mary says AND WHERE WR DOES AN AGENT FIT IN, JUST STARTING OUT AND YOUR FIRST NOVEL, IS IT NECESSARY TO EVEN GO THERE?

Priscila says IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO GO THERE. AGENTS ARE CERTAINLY VERY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF THE LARGER PUBLISHING HOUSES. IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR MAN SCRIPT READ AT A LARGER PUBLISHING HOUSE WITHOUT AN AGENT. AGAIN, THAT TENDS TO BE WHY YOU ENLD UP BUILDING A RESUME AND BUILDING A REP TAING SOMETIMES WITH THE SMALLER PRESS BEFORE LARGE PRESS BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN THAT WAY. ARE YOU CAN STILL SEND YOUR MAN DLPT USCRIPT TO PUBISHING THEMSELVES AND AN AGENT. NOW THE ODDS ARE THAT IT IS NOT IN THE FIRST WRITERS FAVORITE TO GET PICKED UP BY AN AEJTS. I GUESS THE TINING I MD SAY IS IF AN AGENCY DOES PICK YOU UP, TO TO KNOW WHETHER THAT AGENCY IS LEGITIMATE. ONE WRITER UNION BUT ALSO - AND UNTIL THEY HAVE MADE MONEY ON YOU. OKAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE KEY. IF ANYONE EXPECTS ANYTHING FROM YOU, THEN PROBABLY NOT A LEGITIMATE AGENCY AM AND AN AGENCY IN THAT WAY CAN HELP YOU THROUGH A FEW DOORS BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN.

Mary says YOU KNOW, WE AUFERN HEAR ABOUT STORE ES OF VERY FAMOUS WRITERS, AND THEY HAVE HAD UNTEEN REJEXZ, NINETY, 100 REJECTIONS AND THEN FINALLY SOMEONE LIKES THEIR WORK, THEY GET PUBLISHED AND BOTTOM FAMOUS. IT'S SO... I WONDER, YOU TEACH CREATIVE WRITING. HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH BETWEEN WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S BAD?

Priscila says IT DEFINITELY IS SUBJECTIVE BUT I ALSO LIKE TO SAY, NOT NECESSARILY RANDOM. OBJECTIVE DOESN'T MEAN RANDOM. IN THAT WAY, THE CREATIVE WRITING CLASS WITH IS AN EXPERIENCE OF PUBLISHING BUT ALSO AN EXPERIENCE OF BEING A REAL READER. AND SO, TFERM AND THEN FOR MY STUDENT SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY DHOOING'S UPON AND HOW ARE THEY SEEING THE WORLD? YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE JUDGMENTS ON HOW WELL SOMEONE HAS MANAGED FO EXPRESS THAT TO YOU. IN TERMS OF THESE COUNT MANSLAUGHTER REJENINGS ACCIDENT WHEN IT COMES AWAY FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THE CLASSROOM OR AN AVID, LET'S SAY, SOMEONE KNOWLEDGEABLE READERS, AND THAT PUSH LIRKS HOUSES ARE NOT ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD. THEY ARE ALSO WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WILL SELL. THAT IS PRODUCED, YOU KNOW, COUNTLESS HEARTACHE FOR CERTAIN WRITERS AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL EVEN GET TOLD, YOUR BOOK IS BEAUTIFUL BUT WE CAN'T SELL IT. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY WRONG AND PUBLISHERS SHOULD BEING THINKING IF THE BOOK IS GOOD, YOU FIND A WAY TO SELL IT, BUT THAT'S MY WRITER POINT OF VIEW AS WELL COMING NMENT I THINK NA, TA A LOT OF TIMES, YOU DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ARE BEING REJECTED. I TELL THAT TO EVERYONE. IT'S SO DISHEARTENING.

Mary says ED YOU THINK OF THE INSPIRATIONAL STORY OF SOMEONE WHO WAS REJECTED MULTIPLE TIMES AND THEN ENDED UP DOING JUST FINE.

Priscila says WELL, ANOTHER PROFESSOR AT YORK. RICHARD. HAD A STORY REJECTED 35 TIMES AND THEN IT WON FOR BEST AMERICAN STORY OF THE YEAR. AND THAT'S... THAT HAPPENS WITH NOVELS AS L. NOVELS WHO THEY AND MY FAVORITE IS THE BRIGHTISH WRITER WHO DIED ACTUALLY NOT TOO LONG AGO MARY WESLEY PUBLISHED THE FIRST NOVEL AT AGE OF 70. I LOOK AT THAT AS PRINCE OPERATION.

Mary says THANK US FOR COMING IN. A PO POET, NOVEMBER SKPIFT PROFESSOR AND EVER THE CREATIVE WRITING PROGRAM AT YORK UNIVERSITY. PUBLISHED TLI BOOKS OF POETRY AND THE LATEST NOVEL IS CALLED.

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