Transcript: Gayle Gibson on Nude, Naked and All Dressed Up | May 18, 2003

Gayle Gibson stands on a stage in a dimly-lit auditorium, behind a wooden podium that reads "Theatre ROM."
She's in her fifties, with wavy gray hair. She's wearing a gray blazer over a yellow shirt.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Gayle Gibson. Royal Ontario Museum. Naked, nude and all dressed up."


Gayle says WHAT YOU SEE
UP THERE IS A FIG LEAF AND
TONIGHT'S TALK IS CALLED
"NAKED, NUDE AND ALL DRESSED
UP" AND IT'S ABOUT STUFF LIKE
THAT AND YOU WON'T SEE MANY
MORE FIG LEAVES SO DON'T BE TOO
SHOCKED.
UM, I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY
QUOTING SOMETHING FROM THE LATE
UH, SIR KENNETH CLARKE.
IN HIS BOOK, "THE NUDE," HE
STARTED OFF BY SAYING "THE
ENGLISH LANGUAGE WITH ITS
ELABORATE GENEROSITY,
DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN THE NAKED
AND THE NUDE.
TO BE NAKED IS TO BE DEPRIVED
OF OUR CLOTHES AND THE WORD
IMPLIES SOME OF THE
EMBARRASSMENT MOST OF US FEEL
IN THAT CONDITION.
THE WORD NUDE ON THE OTHER HAND
CARRIES IN EDUCATED USAGE NO
UNCOMFORTABLE OVERTONES.
THE VAGUE IMAGE IT PROJECTS
INTO THE MIND IS NOT OF A
HUDDLED AND DEFENCELESS BODY
BUT OF A BALANCED, PROSPEROUS
AND CONFIDENT BODY, THE BODY
REFORMED."
NOW THAT'S WHAT SIR KENNETH
CLARK SAYS AND WE CAN SEE IF WE
CAN AGREE WITH HIM.
UM, WE HAVE THREE TERMS WHICH
WE ARE PLAYING WITH TONIGHT
"NAKED, NUDE AND ALL DRESSED
UP" AND THE FIRST PERSON I'M
GOING TO SHOW YOU IS A CLOSE
RELATIVE OF MINE AND OURS.

She turns to a projecting screen on which appears a picture of an ape standing up with an erect penis.

[audience laughing]

Gayle continues NOW THIS FELLOW IS A BONOBO,
HE'S ONE OF THE TWO SPECIES OF
CHIMPS.
THEY'RE ABOUT A 190 SPECIES OF
MONKEYS AND APES, THIS IS
PROBABLY THE CLOSEST TO US AND
THIS GENTLEMAN DOESN'T USE FIG
LEAVES AS YOU'VE NOTICED.
NOW THIS GENTLEMAN COULD'VE
BEEN A POSTER BOY FOR ST.
VALENTINE'S LAST WEEK BECAUSE
HE'S CERTAINLY IN THE MOOD FOR
LOVE AND IF YOU LOOK CAREFULLY
INTO HIS UH, LEFT HAND YOU'LL
NOTICE HE HAS A PIECE OF
SUGARCANE SO CANDY IS DANDY.

[audience laughing]

The picture changes to one of two bonobos holding each other.

Gayle continues NOW HERE ARE TWO BONOBO LADIES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE
REJECTING HIM OR THEY JUST
HAPPEN TO BE WALKING THE OTHER
DIRECTION.
NOW THESE TWO BONOBO LADIES ARE
VERY PRETTY CREATURES BUT
YOU'LL NOTICE THEY HAVE VERY,
VERY NICE PINK BUMS.
NOW THE PINK BUM IS A SIGN OF
SOMETHING IN A BONOBO OR ANY
APE EXCEPT FOR US.
UM, APES GO THROUGH SOMETHING
CALLED ESTRUS, LADY APES THAT
IS AND ESTRUS MEANS THEY'RE IN
THE MOOD FOR LOVE, THEY WOULD
LIKE TO MAKE BABIES SO THEY'RE
BUMS GET ALL NICE AND PINK AND
FUNNY AND FRIENDLY LOOKING AND
THAT NEXT LET ALL THE GENTLEMEN
KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE
OPEN, WELL, THEY'RE INTERESTED.
NOW THESE TWO LADIES HAVE
ANNOUNCED THEIR INTEREST TO THE
GENTLEMEN.
THE QUESTION IS ARE THEY NAKED
OR NUDE OR MAYBE ALL DRESSED UP?
THEY'RE CERTAINLY GIVING US A
VERY CLEAR MESSAGE OF THEIR
INTENTIONS, IT'S A VERY SEXY
MESSAGE IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE A
BONOBO UM, AND YET THEY ARE ALL
COVERED UP.
IF YOU WANT NAKED YOU REALLY
HAVE TO GO TO THE NAKED APE AND THAT'S US.

Now the picture changes to an oil painting portraying Adam and Eve in Paradise.

Gayle continues THERE'S TWO NAKED APES.
YOU PROBABLY RECOGNIZE THIS
COUPLE.
THIS IS ADAM AND EVE AND
THEY'VE GOT FIG LEAVES OR SOME
KIND OF LEAF THERE.
NOW NAKED PEOPLE LIKE ADAM AND
EVE ARE NOT HAPPY.
THEY LOOK QUITE MISERABLE IN
FACT, THEY'VE BEEN THROWN OUT
OF EDEN AND THEY'VE ONLY JUST
NOTICED THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY
CLOTHES ON SO THEY FEEL REALLY
BAD ABOUT THAT.
NOW THIS IS BY MICHAEL VAN
COXIE AND IT COMES FROM AROUND
1550 UH, IT'S AN INTERESTING
OLD PICTURE AND WE'RE GOING TO
SEE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE BEFORE
AS WELL THIS IS AFTER PICTURE.

Now another oil painting appears. It depicts a scene in which richly clad women talk outside a palace.

Gayle continues BUT AFTER PEOPLE STARTED
WEARING CLOTHES ALL THE TIME
THEY STARTED REALLY DRESSING UP
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE DRESSING
UP IN THE DUKE DE BARRY'S BOOK
OF HOURS AND YOU CAN SEE TWO
VERY NICE LADIES HERE AND THESE
TWO LADIES ARE UM, TAKING HANDS
WITH THEIR BELOVEDS, THIS IS A
PICTURE OF LOVERS.
NOW THESE LADIES ARE ALL
DRESSED UP UNLIKE THE TWO
BONOBO LADIES BUT IN FACT
THEY'RE GIVING EXACTLY THE SAME
MESSAGE.
NOW THEY'RE NOT GIVING IT AT
THE BACKSIDE BUT AT THE FRONT
SIDE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT OF
THESE TWO LADIES THEY HAVE AN
ARTIFICIAL SWELLING, NOT A
NATURAL ONE, AN ARTIFICIAL
SWELLING THAT'S BEEN BUILT INTO
THEIR DRESS AND IS IMPART
ACHIEVED BY THEIR POSTURE AND
THIS SWELLING LIKE THE BONOBO
LADIES BACKSIDE SAYS I'M IN THE
MOOD FOR LOVE, I WOULD LIKE TO
MAKE BABIES AND ANY MAN BACK IN
THE 1500s COULD LOOK AT A WOMAN
STANDING LIKE THAT AND THINK
AH-HA, A PRIME CANDIDATE FOR
MARRIAGE.
SO THESE LADIES, ALTHOUGH THEY
ARE ALL DRESSED UP, ARE GIVING
EXACTLY THE SAME MESSAGE AS THE
BONOBOS WHO WEREN'T WEARING
ANYTHING AT ALL.

Now a black and white picture shows a group of around 50 men bathing in a river.

Gayle continues NOW SOMETIMES BEING NAKED IS
JUST BEING NAKED AND ALL THESE
FELLAS ARE JUST HAVING A NICE
SWIM IN THE SERPENTINE RIVER IN
ENGLAND IN 1920.
THAT'S JUST NAKED.

The picture changes to one of a naked woman standing in front of a measuring wall with her face covered.

Gayle continues NOW THIS IS ANOTHER KIND OF
NAKED AND NOT A VERY NICE ONE.
UH, VERY OFTEN WHEN WE GET THAT
UNPLEASANT FEELING ABOUT NAKED
IT'S BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN
PICTURES LIKE THIS IN MEDICAL
TEXTBOOKS AND THEY'RE SHOWING
US WHAT WE SHOULD LOOK LIKE OR
WHAT WE SHOULDN'T LOOK LIKE OR
WHAT SOME HORRIBLE DISEASE
LOOKS LIKE.
AND THIS POOR PERSON IS A
HERMAPHRODITE.
ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT PERFECTLY
CLEAR, GENETICALLY THIS PERSON
IS MALE BUT DOESN'T EXACTLY
LOOK LIKE IT.
UM, AND SO THEY'VE COVERED UP
THE FACE, THIS IS A SHAMEFUL,
HORRIBLE THING AND WE'VE GOT
THE SENSE THAT THIS NAKED BODY
IS SOMETHING THAT'S
DEFENCELESS, THAT IS FRAGILE
AND IT SHOWS US WHAT CAN GO
WRONG WITH HUMAN BEINGS SO NOT
A PICTURE THAT INSPIRES A LOT
CONFIDENCE.
ON THE OTHER HAND THAT INSPIRES
A LOT OF CONFIDENCE.

A picture shows the famous armless statue of Aphrodite.

Gayle continues THIS IS OF THE FAMOUS GREEK
STATUE OF APHRODITE OF MELOS,
THE VENUS DE MILO, YOU MAY HAVE
MET HER IN THE LOUVRE, SHE'S A
LOT TALLER, EVEN THAN I AM,
GREAT, BIG, LOVELY LADY AND SHE
IS ONE OF THE IDEALS OF FEMALE
BEAUTY AND SHE'S ALSO
INTERESTING BECAUSE IT WAS ONE
OF THE FIRST TIMES THAT THE
GREEKS DECIDED TO SHOW A
GODDESS NAKED.
NOW CAN YOU TELL SHE'S A
GODDESS?
SHE'S BIG.
IT HELPS TO BE REALLY BIG WHEN
YOU'RE A GODDESS.
AND YOU KNOW, SHE'S ALSO VERY
CALM.
HERE SHE IS, HALF NAKED, WE'RE
ALL LOOKING AT HER AND YET
SHE'S LOOKING BACK AT US.
SHE'S CALM, SHE'S WOMANLY AND
SHE HAS A TREMENDOUS SENSE OF
POWER ABOUT HER WHEN YOU GO AND
MEET HER.
WONDERFUL IMAGE AND SHE HAS
EASE AND GRAVITY AND THAT'S
BECAUSE SHE'S PERFECT.
SO THIS IS AN IMAGE OF
PERFECTION AND THAT'S WHAT
IMAGES WE CALL NUDE USUALLY ARE.

Now a black and white picture shows an extremely skinny man lying on a hospital bed with a sad look on his face.

Gayle continues NOW THIS POOR FELLOW IS A
SOLDIER AT THE END OF WORLD WAR
TWO, A POLISH SOLDIER IN A HOSPITAL.
AND HE'S ANOTHER OF THESE VERY
FRAGILE IMAGES OF HUMAN
NAKEDNESS, SKINNY, HUNGRY BUT
HE'S ALSO A SIGN IN A VERY
STRANGE WAY OF TRIUMPH.
HE'S MADE IT THROUGH, HE
SURVIVED THE WAR, HE'S SURVIVED
THE CAMPS AND MAYBE HE'S GOING
TO SURVIVE AGAIN.
SO HE'S AN IMAGE OF KIND OF
SCARY AND FRAGILE IMAGE LYING
THERE ON THE BED OPEN TO OUR
GAZE LIKE THIS AND YET MAYBE
HE'S ALSO DRESSED IN SOME KIND
OF COURAGE, MAYBE HE'S NOT
COMPLETELY NAKED.

Now the famous painting "Maja desnuda" depicting a naked woman posing on a bed appears.

Gayle continues NOW THIS LADY IS COMPLETELY
NAKED OR AT LEAST SHE HAS NO
CLOTHES ON.
UM, THIS IS A SPANISH
NOBLEWOMAN WHO LIVED ABOUT 200
YEARS AGO AND WAS A CLOSE
PERSONAL FRIEND OF THE PAINTER
GOYA.
NOW THIS IS A FAMOUS PAINTING
CALLED
MAJA DESNUDA
AND
MAJA'S
ONE OF THOSE
WORDS YOU CAN'T TRANSLATE VERY
WELL.
MAJA
IS A LADY UH, LIKE
THE LADIES IN THE AUDIENCE, A
WOMAN OF CLASS, OF STYLE, OF
WIT, SEXY, BEAUTIFUL, ALL THE
GOOD STUFF AND IN THIS PICTURE
SHE IS
DESNUDA.
HE DID TWO PICTURES OF HER, ONE
WITH HER CLOTHES ON, ONE WITH
HER CLOTHES OFF AND IN SPANISH
DESNUDA
JUST MEANS SHE
HAS HER CLOTHES OFF IN THIS
PICTURE AND IF YOU LOOK AT HER
AND YOU THINK ABOUT THAT POOR
GENTLEMAN LYING ON THE BED,
SHE'S ALSO LYING ON A BED.
SHE'S ALSO NAKED AND OPEN TO
OUR GAZE BUT WHAT A DIFFERENT
IMAGE, THIS PARTICULAR LADY IS
FULL OF POWER, SHE HAS AS MUCH
POWER AS APHRODITE EVER DID.
SHE'S LOOKING OUT AT US AND
LIKE THE BONOBO LADIES SHE'S
TELLING US SHE'S IN THE MOOD
FOR LOVE AND VERY MUCH LIKE THE
BONOBO LADIES SHE IS TELLING US
THAT SHE'S THE ONE WHO CAN
CHOOSE.
SHE'S GOT THE POWER.
THIS ISN'T AN IMAGE OF
POWERLESSNESS, THIS IS A NUDE
IMAGE.
THIS IS AN IMAGE FULL OF POWER.

Now a picture shows a bonobo playfully stretching an arm and leg.

Gayle continues NOW HERE'S ANOTHER POWERFUL IMAGE.
THIS IS ONE OF OUR FRIENDS, THE
BONOBOS AGAIN, THE MARILYN
MONROE OF THE BONOBO WORLD.
VERY BEAUTIFUL LADY AND
PERFECTLY AT EASE AND WE LIKE
TO THINK THAT MAYBE SOMEWHERE
BACK IN EDEN SOME TIME LONG AGO
WE WERE ALL AT EASE WITH OUR
BODIES IN THAT WAY

Now an oil painting appears depicting naked Adam and Eve in paradise as Eve clasps an apple from a tree.

Gayle continues AND THERE'S
ADAM AND EVE ON THE OTHER HALF
OF THE PAINTING AT EASE WITH
THEIR BODIES MINUTES BEFORE EVE
IS GOING TO MAKE THE FATAL MISTAKE.
NOW IN THE EARLY DAYS OF
PHOTOGRAPHY THERE WERE A LOT OF
PEOPLE IN THE 1850s QUESTIONING
THAT IMAGE OF ADAM AND EVE, WAS
THAT REALLY OUR ANCESTORS?
IS THAT REALLY WHERE WE CAME
FROM?
DID THAT REALLY TELL US
ANYTHING ABOUT HUMAN NATURE?
AND SO THERE WAS A VERY BIG
MOVEMENT AMONG THE EARLY
PHOTOGRAPHERS TO ACTUALLY
PHOTOGRAPH HUMAN NATURE AS IT
WAS AND YOU GET AN AWFUL LOT OF
PICTURES IF YOU WANT TO LOOK
FOR THEM OF PEOPLE LIKE THIS
GENTLEMAN STANDING IN FRONT OF
GRIDS AND USUALLY IN ALL
DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, KIND OF
LIKE A PASSPORT PHOTO OR A MUG SHOT.

A black and white picture shows a naked man standing in front of a grid.

Gayle continues PEOPLE SHOWING YOU THIS IS WHAT
A HUMAN BEING IS.
IS IT NAKED?
IS IT NUDE?
HE'S CERTAINLY ISN'T ALL
DRESSED UP.

The image changes to a black and white picture of a naked man with his legs spread out by metal shackles.

Gayle continues NOW HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE VERY
SIMILAR FROM THE SAME TIME
PERIOD, 1875 AND THIS IS A MAN
FROM MALAYSIA.
THIS IS A MALAY MAN AND YOU'LL
NOTICE THIS IS A MAN WITH AN
ABSOLUTELY PERFECT BODY.
YOU COULD GO TO A HEALTH CLUB
FOR A YEAR AND NOT END UP
LOOKING AS GOOD AS THIS MAN AND
YET HE IS LOOKING AT THE CAMERA
ANGRY AND SULLEN.
IS THIS MAN NUDE OR NAKED?
IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT HIS FEET
YOU'LL SEE SOMETHING KIND OF SCARY.
THIS MAN WAS A PRISONER.
HE HAS UH, SHACKLES ON HIS FEET
AND THAT LITTLE PILE OF STUFF
IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER
IS HIS CLOTHES.
THIS MAN HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM
HIS PRISON CELL AND FORCED TO
STAND HERE FOR THIS SCIENTIFIC
PICTURE SO THAT WE COULD GET
SOME SENSE OF WHAT HUMAN BEINGS
LOOK LIKE.

Another black and white picture shows a naked man and woman wearing a few ropes and necklaces, in a relaxed pose.

Gayle continues NOW AT THE SAME TIME WE GET
THIS INTERESTING GENTLEMAN.
NOW REMEMBER WHAT SIR KENNETH
CLARK SAID ABOUT THE NUDE.
HE SAID THAT "THE NUDE PROJECTS
AN IMAGE OF BALANCED,
PROSPEROUS, AND CONFIDENT BODY."
NOW COULD YOU EVER SEE A MAN
MORE BALANCED, PROSPEROUS AND
CONFIDENT THAN THAT GENTLEMAN?
AND UH, THE LADY LOOKS PRETTY
HAPPY, TOO.
NOW THEY'RE NOT QUITE NAKED.
THEY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF
CLOTHING ON, ALL KINDS OF
ADORNMENTS THERE UM, THEY ARE
STARING OUT AT US, THEY ARE
CERTAINLY NAKED BY EUROPEAN
STANDARDS AT THE TIME.
THIS IS FROM ABOUT UM, 1870, 1875.
BUT THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING MAN.
UM, THIS MAN IS ALSO A PRISONER
AND YET THIS MAN ISN'T NAKED
LIKE THAT LAST FELLOW.
THIS IS A MAN WHO IS NUDE AND
THIS IS A MAN WHO IS CLOTHED IN
FACT, IN PRIDE, IN DIGNITY, AND
IN HIS OWN CULTURE SO MAYBE
THIS IS WHAT WE LOOK LIKE WAY
BACK WHEN.
NOW APART FROM GOING AROUND THE
WORLD AND TAKING PICTURES OF
PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T PARTICULARLY
WANT THEIR PICTURES TAKEN, UH,
EARLY PHOTOGRAPHERS DID TAKE
PICTURES IN EUROPE, TOO.

A black and white picture shows a muscular white man posing triumphantly.

Gayle continues THIS GENTLEMAN IS A PICTURE BY
UM, DEROUX, EUGENE DEROUX WAS
THE ARTIST AND THIS IS JUST
CALLED "MALE NUDE STANDING" AND
YOU MAY SEE BEHIND HIM SOME OF
THE APPARATUS THAT ALLOWED HIM
TO STAND STILL IN 1855 LONG
ENOUGH FOR THIS PICTURE TO BE
TAKEN AND HE'S A BEAUTIFUL
PHYSICAL SPECIMEN, TOO, AND
WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO IN FACT,
IS LOOK AS MUCH LIKE A GREEK
STATUE AS A NORMAL HUMAN BEING
POSSIBLY CAN.
'CAUSE THERE'S A REAL SENSE
THAT MAYBE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE
SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE OR WHAT
YOU GENTLEMEN ARE SUPPOSED TO
LOOK LIKE.

A picture shows a statue of a bearded muscular man in a similar pose to that of the previous man.

Gayle continues THIS IS HERCULES.
THIS A STATUE -- A LITTLE
STATUE FROM JUST AROUND THE
TIME OF CHRIST.
UH, ABOUT 2,000 YEARS OLD AND
HERCULES IS AN IMAGE OF THE
HEROIC MALE NUDE AND WE HAVE
THIS LEGACY FROM ANCIENT GREECE
OF HEROIC MALE NUDITY.
BIG, TOUGH, GORGEOUS GUYS.

The picture changes to another of a marble bust of Hercules, with much more defined details including the musculature and the curls on his hair and facial hair.

Gayle continues NOW THIS IS ANOTHER VERY
BEAUTIFUL STATUE OF HERCULES IN
THE BOSTON MUSEUM OF FINE ARTS.
THAT LAST ONE WAS IN CLEVELAND
AND VERY OFTEN YOU SEE HERCULES
LOOKING VERY SAD UH, HERCULES
WAS BIG AND HANDSOME AND TOUGH
AND BEAUTIFUL, HE HAD ALL THAT
BODY STUFF DOWN BUT IF YOU KNOW
HIS STORY YOU KNOW THAT HE
ACCIDENTALLY MURDERED HIS OWN
WIFE AND CHILDREN.
AND HE HAD TO SPEND A LONG TIME
TRYING TO RECOVER FROM THAT AND
IN ORDER TO RECOVER HE WAS
ACTUALLY GIVEN PENANCES.
HE WAS GIVEN LABOURS AND IF YOU
GO TO OUR GREEK GALLERY YOU'LL
SEE ALL OF HIS LABOURS UP ON
THE POTS BUT THIS NEXT IMAGE IS
ONE YOU DON'T SEE TOO OFTEN.

A black and white picture shows a statue of a naked woman and Hercules wearing a dress.

Gayle continues AMONG HIS LABOURS WAS TO WORK
FOR THAT LADY, QUEEN OMPHALE FOR A YEAR.
AND INSTEAD OF ASKING HIM TO GO
OUT AND BASH PEOPLE FOR A YEAR
OR SOMETHING MANLY LIKE THAT,
QUEEN OMPHALE SUGGESTED THEY
SWITCH JOBS FOR A YEAR AND SO
YOU SEE POOR HERCULES THERE IN
A DRESS AND A STAFF AND HE'S
SPINNING AND LOOKING QUITE
MISERABLE WHEREAS AS OMPHALE
LOOKS REALLY QUITE HAPPY WITH
THE WHOLE SITUATION AND SHE'S
THE ONE WHO IS NOW HEROICALLY
NAKED, HEROICALLY NUDE.
VERY UNUSUAL IMAGE FOR THE
ANCIENT WORLD.

A new picture shows a small clay figurine pierced with several metal rods.

Gayle continues OOH, NOW THERE'S SOMETHING
THAT'S NOT PARTICULARLY HEROIC.
THIS IS A MUCH MORE COMMON KIND
OF FEMALE NAKED IMAGE FROM THE
GRECO ROMAN WORLD.
THIS LITTLE DOLL, IT'S A LITTLE
VOODOO DOLL, WAS FOUND IN EGYPT
ABOUT 4th CENTURY A.D.
SOMEWHERE IN THERE AND IT'S A
LITTLE CLAY DOLL JUST LIKE A
VOODOO DOLL WITH PINS STUCK IN IT.
NOW IT'S VERY SCARY LITTLE
IMAGE AND YOU'D THINK MAYBE
THIS WAS INSPIRED BY REAL
HATRED, SOMEBODY WANTS TO KILL
THIS WOMAN BUT IN FACT, THE
MESSAGE FROM THE MAN WHO BOUGHT
THIS PIECE OF MAGIC WAS WITH IT
ON A LITTLE LEAD TABLET AND
WHAT THE MAN REALLY WANTED WAS
THE WOMAN'S LOVE.
SO THIS IS A LOVE CHARM AND THE
WOMAN'S NUDITY IS TO SHOW HOW
VULNERABLE SHE IS TO HIS WORDS,
TO THE SIGHT OF HIM, TO THE
TASTE OF HIM, TO ALL KINDS OF
PARTS OF HIM.
A VERY SCARY IMAGE.
SO NOT HEROIC AT ALL.
THIS LADY'S NAKED.

A new picture shows a detail of an ornate cup, depicting naked men and women holding different objects in their hands.

Gayle continues NOW THIS IS KIND OF A PRETTY
AND FUNNY IMAGE.
THIS IS FROM A GREEK CUP AND
YOU CAN SEE THE YOUNG GENTLEMAN
ON THE LEFT, THESE ARE PEOPLE
AT A PARTY AND THE PERSON
TOWARDS THE CENTRE IS A YOUNG
WOMAN VERY YOUNG GIRL IN FACT.
YOU CAN SEE HER FRONTALLY NAKED
SO YOU CAN SEE HER SEXUAL
APPARATUS THERE AND ALTHOUGH
IT'S A VERY PRETTY PICTURE IT'S
ALSO KIND OF SCARY PICTURE.
THIS GIRL IS AT A PARTY WITH A
WHOLE LOT OF MEN AND HER JOB IS
TO KEEP THEM ALL HAPPY ALL NIGHT.
HER NUDITY IS A SIGN OF HER
AVAILABILITY AND HER LACK OF
ANY KIND OF POWER OVER HER OWN LIFE.
AND HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE OF
NUDITY THAT HASN'T GOT A LOT OF
POWER IN IT.

A new picture shows a statue of a naked man reclining on the floor with a defeated look.

Gayle continues THIS IS A NAKED GAULLE.
THIS IS A CELT WHO HAS BEEN
DEFEATED BY THE GREEKS AND THIS
IS HIM JUST IN THE MOMENTS
BEFORE HE DIES.
HE IS HEROICALLY NUDE.
HE IS BEAUTIFUL.
HE HAS ALL THE POWER THAT A MAN
CAN HAVE YET HE IS IN ABSOLUTE
DEFEAT HERE, HE'S FINISHED.
UNLIKE THAT MAN FROM THE
ISLANDS, THE MAN, THE CHIEF WE
SAW WITH HIS WIFE.
THIS MAN HAS GIVEN UP AND IS
ABOUT TO DIE.

Now a medieval painting shows several archers shooting a man tied to a thin tree.

Gayle continues NOW PRETTY COMMON TO SEE PEOPLE
NAKED ABOUT TO DIE BUT DURING
THE MIDDLE AGES IN EUROPE I
GUESS IT GOT COLD AND PEOPLE
UH, PUT THEIR CLOTHES ON AND
THIS IS AN IMAGE OF MARTYRDOM.
THE MAN TIED TO A TREE IS KING
EDMUND.
KING EDMUND THE MARTYR, ST.
EDMUND, KING OF ENGLAND AND THE
MARTYRDOM TOOK PLACE ABOUT 870
AND HE WAS SHOT TO DEATH BY BAD
GUYS AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE
ALL FROM VERY SMALL TO SHOW
WHAT A BAD LOT THEY ARE AND THE
KING IS SHOWN VERY BIG.
THE PAINTING WAS DONE IN THE
12th CENTURY.
NOW BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE
15th CENTURY THE RENAISSANCE
AND ALL THOSE IDEAS OF HEROIC
MALE NUDITY AND GREEK STATUES
ARE COMING UP EVEN AS FAR AS
YORKSHIRE.

Another depiction of the martyrdom appears, this time with King Edmund naked.

Gayle continues AND AN ARTIST IN YORKSHIRE
ACTUALLY PAINTED THIS NICE
IMAGE ON A WALL OF A CHURCH OF
ST. EDMUND, KING EDMUND WITH
THIS KINGLY CROWN BUT
PRACTICALLY NAKED SO HE'S
SHOWING HIM AS THIS HEROIC MALE
IMAGE SO THIS IS THE UH, THE
SAINT, THE MARTYR, NOT AS NAKED
AND BOUND TO A TREE BUT MAYBE
AS HEROICALLY NUDE BECAUSE WE
KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
THE NEXT STAGE IS HIM GETTING
TO HEAVEN.
HE'S WINNING THE CROWN OF
MARTYRDOM.
THIS MAY LOOK LIKE A MOMENT OF
DEFEAT BUT IT ISN'T AT ALL.

Now a black and white picture shows a statue of a naked man holding a large cross.

Gayle continues AND THIS ONE IS ONE OF MY
FAVOURITE IMAGES FROM THE RENAISSANCE.
THIS IS MICHELANGELO, THE RISEN
CHRIST.
YOU DON'T OFTEN SEE CHRIST
NAKED.
IT'S VERY UNUSUAL TO SEE THE
ADULT CHRIST NAKED ALTHOUGH NOT
PERHAPS AS UNUSUAL AS YOU MIGHT
THINK.
AND HERE HE IS HOLDING ONTO HIS
CROSS, SHOWING US CLEARLY THAT
HE HAS DIED AND BEEN REBORN
AGAIN.
HE HAS RISEN AGAIN AND IN THIS
IMAGE HE IS THE POWERFUL MALE
BUT WITHOUT QUITE THE LUMPINESS
OF HERCULES.
IT'S A KIND OF UM, COMBINATION
OF THAT IDEA OF THE HEROIC MALE
NUDE AND SOMETHING ELSE.
SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
MICHELANGELO HAS FOUND
SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY ABOUT THE
STATE OF NAKEDNESS.

Now an oil painting shows a woman tenderly holding a naked baby.

Gayle continues AND MAYBE WHAT HE'S SAYING IN
THAT LOVELY IMAGE OF THE ADULT
CHRIST IS THE SAME THING THAT'S
BEING SAID IN THIS PRETTY
PAINTING OF BABY CHRIST.
YOU OFTEN SEE BABY CHRIST, BABY
JESUS NAKED LIKE THIS.
LET'S YOU KNOW HE'S A LITTLE
BOY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO
KNOW ABOUT HIM BUT IT'S ALSO AN
IMAGE OF POTENTIAL.
ANY LITTLE BABY IS THE START OF
THE UNIVERSE ALL OVER AGAIN.
ANY LITTLE BABY IS EVERYTHING NEW.
AND SO THE NAKEDNESS OF THE
CHILD IS NOT USUALLY A SIGN OF
VULNERABILITY OR ENSLAVEMENT OR
DEFEAT OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
UH, THE NAKEDNESS OF BABY LIKE
THIS IS A CELEBRATION OF HIS
PERFECT LITTLE BODY AND HIS POTENTIAL.
WHO KNOWS WHAT THIS CHILD IS
GOING TO DO AND OF COURSE FOR
THE CHRISTIANS LOOKING AT THIS
PAINTING, THEY KNEW WHAT THIS
LITTLE CHILD WAS GOING TO DO
AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING
TO BE QUITE WONDERFUL.
IT REMINDS ME A BIT OF THAT
THING THAT WORDSWORTH WROTE IN
THE INTIMATIONS OF IMMORTALITY ODE.
"NOT IN UTTER NAKEDNESS BUT
TRAILING CLOUDS OF GLORY DO WE
COME FROM GOD WHO IS OUR HOME."
THIS LITTLE BABY IS TRAILING
CLOUDS OF GLORY, A WONDERFUL
IMAGE OF POWER AND POTENTIAL.

Now a medieval painting shows a woman covered by her own long black hair.

Gayle continues NOW HERE'S SOMEBODY DEFINITELY
ALL DRESSED UP.
UH, THIS IS MARY, A COUPLE OF
ST. MARY'S GOT ALL CONFUSED,
MARY MAGDALENE, MARY OF EGYPT,
AND THIS IS PROBABLY WHERE THE
IMAGE OF UH, LADY GODIVA BEING
ALL COVERED UP IN HER HAIR
COMES FROM, TOO.
ST. MARY HERE IS ALL COVERED UP
IN HER OWN HAIR BECAUSE SHE'S
OFF IN THE WILDERNESS WEEPING
FOR HER TERRIBLE SINS AND SHE
HASN'T BEEN TO A DRESSER OR A
HAIRDRESSER OR A DRESS STORE OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN A VERY
LONG TIME.
SO THERE YOU SEE HER JUST ALL
COVERED UP IN HER HAIR.

A new picture shows a statue of a naked woman in a walking pose. Her long wavy brown hair covers her genitalia.

Gayle continues NOW THAT WAS 12 CENTURY BUT BY
THE TIME YOU GET BACK TO THE
RENAISSANCE AGAIN IN THE 15th
CENTURY YOU GET IMAGES LIKE
THIS OF THE PENITENT WOMAN
NAKED TO SHOW HER
VULNERABILITY, NAKED TO SHOW
HER OBJECTION, UH, AND THE HAIR
COMING DOWN, THIS IS A WOMAN IN
MOURNING, A SAD AND SORT OF
MISERABLE SORT OF IMAGE.
BUT THAT IMAGE OF NAKED
MOURNING CAN GO BACK A LONG WAY.

Another picture shows an ancient Egyptian painting of several women looking up at something. All of them have long hair and are revealing their breasts.

Gayle continues UH, THESE LADIES HERE COME FROM
A TOMB OF A MAN NAMED RAMOSA
AND THEY'RE FROM THE CITY OF
THEBES IN EGYPT AND THIS IS
FROM ABOUT THE YEAR 1370 B.C.,
VERY, VERY LONG TIME AGO AND IF
YOU LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE
LADIES YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY
ALSO HAVE THE LONG, UNBOUND
HAIR LIKE LADY MAGDALENE, LIKE
LADY GODIVA AND THEY'RE BREASTS
ARE BARE, THEY'VE TAKEN THE TOP
OFF THEIR DRESS TO SHOW YOU
THAT THEY ARE NOT ALL DRESSED
UP AND THIS BARING OF THE
BREAST IN THIS CASE IS NOT A
SEXUAL THING.
IT'S NOT AN OBJECTION, IT'S NOT
SERVITUDE, IT'S NOT ANYTHING
ELSE BUT THE SIGN OF SORROW AND
OF NOT DRESSING UP FOR THE
OCCASION.
A SIGN OF BEING SIMPLE AND OPEN
TO THE SORROW WITHIN.
LETTING YOUR HEART SHOW IS
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
NOW IN THE SAME PICTURE WE SEE
A LITTLE CHILD.
NOW THESE MOURNERS ARE
PROFESSIONAL MOURNERS AND
THEY'D BE WOMEN OF DIFFERENT
AGES AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S
SOME YOUNG GIRLS.
NOW THE YOUNG GIRLS WHO HAVE
HIT PUBERTY HAVE DRESSES ON BUT
THIS LITTLE CHILD IS JUST AN
APPRENTICE MOURNER AND MAYBE
SHE'S SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OLD
SO SHE'S SHOWN NAKED TO SHOW
YOU SOME INFORMATION.
SHE HASN'T HIT PUBERTY AND
THEREFORE SHE DOES NOT YET HAVE
THE STATUS OF A YOUNG WOMAN
ABOUT TO MARRY OR A MARRIED
WOMAN OR A MOTHER.
SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT
STATUS YET.
ALL THIS CHILD IS NOW IS
POTENTIAL.
SO HER NAKEDNESS IS A SIGN OF
HER POTENTIAL AS WELL AS HER YOUTH.

Another ancient Egyptian image shows a huge bare-chested man standing next to a minuscule naked man with a darker skin tone.

Gayle continues NOW THESE FOLKS YOU MAY
RECOGNIZE FROM UPSTAIRS IN OUR
OWN GALLERY, UH, THE TALL
GENTLEMAN'S NAME IS "MACHECHI."
AND HIS TITLE IS UP ON THE TOP
THERE AND IT SAYS THAT HE'S A
KING'S NOBLEMAN AND HE'S THE
OVERSEER OF THE "KINKUSHAY" WHO
ARE PEOPLE WHO DO WORK IN A BIG
TEMPLE.
SO THIS IS A BIG CHEESE, THIS
MAN.
AND YOU CAN SEE HE'S A HANDSOME
FELLOW, NICE FACE, NICE BEARD,
GOOD PECS, TIGHT ABS, BUNS OF
STEEL, LOVELY BODY HIMSELF.
AND HE'S SHOWING YOU ENOUGH OF
IT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT A
BEAUTIFUL SPECIMEN HE IS AND
THERE'S A LITTLE PERSON WITH
HIM AND THE LITTLE PERSON IS A
NAKED PERSON ALMOST.
NOW THE LITTLE PERSON, IF YOU
CAN READ THE HIEROGLYPHS YOU
KNOW WHO HE IS BUT I THINK JUST
BY LOOKING AT HIM YOU CAN TELL
WHO THIS LITTLE PERSON IS.
HE IS STANDING IN DADDY'S
FOOTSTEPS AND HE'S HOLDING ONTO
DADDY'S STAFF AND HE'S
COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY HIS
FATHER'S LOVE AND PROTECTION
AND STATUS.
THIS IS A LITTLE CHILD AND IT
SAYS UP HERE THIS IS HIS SON
WHOM HE LOVES AND THE LITTLE
BOY'S NAME IS HERE "SABUIPATA."
NOW "SABUIPATA" IS SHOWN NAKED
AND UNCIRCUMCISED.
UH, BECAUSE HE'S VERY YOUNG, HE
MAYBE THE BABY OF THE FAMILY.
HE HAS A LITTLE NECKLACE ON TO
SHOW THAT HE MAY BE UH, SMALL
AND UH, NOT HAVE A JOB YET BUT
HE'S GONNA BE SOMEWHERE SOME
DAY AND THE WHOLE IMAGE IS
REALLY AGAIN THIS IMAGE OF
POTENTIAL OF WHAT'S GOING TO
COME SO THIS NAKEDNESS IS NOT A
NAKEDNESS OF WEAKNESS BUT A
NAKEDNESS OF PROMISE AND A
NAKEDNESS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

Now an oil painting appears that depicts several men in robes staring at a naked man with a halo as one of the robed men covers the saint's body with a rag.

Gayle continues NOW THIS IS BACK TO ANOTHER
CHRISTIAN IMAGE HERE.
UH, THIS IS ST. FRANCIS.
THE YOUNG MAN OVER ON THIS
SIDE, ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI,
THE SAINT WHO COULD TALK TO
WOLVES AND TALK TO TALK TO
BIRDS AND ALL WONDERFUL THINGS
LIKE THAT.
THE SAINT WHO WALKED TO THE
CRUSADES AND WALKED INTO CAMP
SAYING LET'S STOP FIGHTING,
LET'S BE NICE TO EACH OTHER.
ONE OF MY FAVOURITE GUYS.
NOW ST. FRANCIS WAS BORN INTO A
VERY WEALTHY FAMILY AND WHEN HE
WAS YOUNG HIS FATHER DRESSED
HIM UP VERY BEAUTIFULLY SO HE
WAS ALL DRESSED UP MOST OF HIS
LIFE IN THE VERY FINEST SILKS,
THE VERY BEST CLOTHES BUT
GRADUALLY DECIDED THAT THE
THING TO DO WAS TO GIVE UP THAT
LIFE AND BECOME A MONK AND TO
LIVE WITH THE POOR AND TO HELP
THEM OUT BUT HIS FATHER
OBJECTED AND HIS FATHER WANTED
IN PUBLIC SAID EVERYTHING YOU
ARE, KID, YOU OWE TO ME.
YOU OWE ME.
AND FRANCIS SAID WELL, WHAT
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GIVE BACK?
AND HIS FATHER SAID EVEN THE
CLOTHES ON YOUR BACK.
THAT'S SOMETHING I GAVE YOU,
KID.
AND FRANCIS SAID WELL, OKAY,
DAD AND RIGHT IN PUBLIC
STRIPPED DOWN, COMPLETELY NAKED
AND LEFT HIS FATHER HIS CLOTHES
TO SHOW THAT HE WAS GIVING UP
THAT OLD LIFE AND IN HIS NEW
NAKED STATE STARTING SOMETHING
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
WHEN FRANCIS DIED, HE SAID
NAKED CAME I INTO THIS WORLD
AND NAKED I DEPART.
THE SENSE HERE OF NAKEDNESS IS
NAKEDNESS AS A NEW BEGINNING.
NAKEDNESS AGAIN OF POTENTIAL,
NAKEDNESS EVEN OF TRIUMPH.
TRIUMPH OVER AN OLD LIFE, THE
BEGINNING OF THE NEW LIFE.
INTERESTING IMAGE.

Another oil painting appears that depicts a curvy naked woman with long curly blond hair sitting on the floor in a relaxed position, with a tender smile on her face.

Gayle continues NOW THIS IS ONE OF MY FINAL
IMAGES OF NAKED PEOPLE.
THIS IS A NAKED LADY AND ONE OF
THE NICEST ONES.
THIS IS UH, FROM 1881 AND THIS
IS RENOIR'S WIFE AND WHAT AN
IMAGE PAINTED WITH LOVE.
WE'VE SEEN NAKED IMAGES WITH
FEAR, NAKED IMAGES WITH ANGER,
NAKED IMAGES WITH LUST AND
POWER.
THIS IS JUST LOVE.
SWEET, BEAUTIFUL WOMAN SHOWN
HERE AS SHE'S SWIMMING, IT'S
CALLED "THE BLONDE BATHER" AND
LOOK AT THE TEXTURES OF HER
SKIN.
YOU CAN ALMOST FEEL HOW NICE
SHE IS.
THAT SWEET, INNOCENT FACE,
RENOIR HAS MANAGED TO CAPTURE
THAT SENSE OF SEXUALITY LIKE
THE BONOBOS, LIKE THOSE LADIES
SAYING I'M IN THE MOOD FOR
LOVE, SHE'S CERTAINLY SAYING
THAT.
BUT ALSO WITH HER HAIR AND HER
LOVELY, SWEET FACE AND IMAGE OF
NEW BEGINNINGS, SOMETHING NEW
IN THE WORLD AND OF SWEETNESS
AND LOVE AND LIGHT.
SHE REMINDS ME OF A POEM BY
ROBERT HERRICK.
IT'S A POEM FROM SHAKESPEARE'S
TIME BUT I THINK IT SUITS HER
VERY WELL.
HERRICK SAID OF HIS GIRLFRIEND.
"WHEN AS IN SILKS MY JULIA GOES
THEN METHINKS HOW SWEETLY FLOWS
THAT LIQUEFACTION OF HER CLOTHES.
NEXT WHEN I CAST MINE EYES AND
SEE THAT BRAVE VIBRATION EVERY
WAY FREE.
OH, HOW THAT GLITTERING TAKETH ME."
AND YOU CAN CERTAINLY SEE THIS
WOMAN IS GOING TO VIBRATE WHEN
SHE WALKS, PRETTY NICE.

Now a picture shows a clay figurine of a bare-chested woman.

Gayle continues NOW WE'VE LOOKED AT A LOT OF
DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND PEOPLE BE
NAKED, PEOPLE BEING NUDE,
PEOPLE BEING ALL DRESSED UP,
THIS IS A CELTIC DANCER.
THIS LITTLE STATUE IS ABOUT
2,300 YEARS OLD.
SHE'S UH, FROM FRANCE AND SHE
IS REJOICING IN WHO SHE IS AND
I THOUGHT I WOULD LET HER AND
THE NEXT SLIDE END OUR LITTLE
TALK TONIGHT, THE IDEA OF THESE
TALKS CONNECTING IS TO GIVE YOU
SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT, GIVE
YOU SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
THINK ABOUT THESE IMAGES OF
WHAT NAKEDNESS AND WHAT NUDITY
MEANS TO US.
WHAT IT MEANS TO TAKE YOUR
CLOTHES OFF WITH SOMEBODY YOU
LOVE, WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE TO
TAKE YOUR CLOTHES OFF IN THE
DOCTOR'S OFFICE, ALL THOSE THINGS.
THESE BODIES ARE ALL WE GOT AND
UH, I THOUGHT I'D MAYBE END
WITH A POEM BY UH, WILLIAM
BUTLER YATES, THE GREAT IRISH
POET BECAUSE HE TALKS ABOUT
NAKEDNESS, TOO.
HE SAYS, "I MADE MY SONG A COAT
COVERED WITH EMBROIDERIES OF
OLD MYTHOLOGIES BUT THE FOOLS
CAUGHT IT, WORE IT IN THE
WORLD'S EYES AS IF THEY'D
WROUGHT IT.
SONG, LET THEM TAKE IT.
THERE'S MORE ENTERPRISE IN
WALKING NAKED."
LAST SLIDE.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

The last slide shows a picture of a bonobo playing in the sun.

[Applause]

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