Transcript: Annual Trivia Challenge | Jan 11, 2004

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS WEEK ON "4TH
READING, HANDS ON YOUR BUZZERS,
TIME TO TEST YOUR POLITICAL IQ WITH THE
"4TH READING" ANNUAL TRIVIA
CHALLENGE.

Steve and three guests sit around a table in the shape of a number 4. A logo on screen reads "4th reading."

Steve is in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing an olive jacket over a white striped open-necked shirt.

Steve say HI, EVERYBODY.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN.
WELCOME TO "4TH READING" FOR
THIS WEEK.
OKAY, ALL YOU POLITICAL JUNKIES
OUT THERE.
TIME TO GET YOUR FIX THAT YOU'RE
DYING FOR. IT’S OUR FIRST
4TH READING THE NEW YEAR AND
WE HAVE A SHOE FOR YOU.
YOU MAY THINK YOU KNOW YOUR
POLITICS.
YOU MAY RECALL WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE LAST 12 MONTH IN ONTARIO.
A NEW GOVERNMENT HEADED BY A
NEW PARTY, YADA, YADA, YADA.
WHAT'S YOUR MEMORY OF WHAT
HAPPENED IN QUEEN'S PARK 25,
OR 75 YEARS AGO?
YES, IT'S THE ONE AND ONLY,
ACTUALLY IT’S THE FOURTH, ANNUAL "4TH READING."
TRIVIA CHALLENGE.

An animated slate reads "2004 4th Reading Trivia Challenge."

Steve says NICE GRAPHIC.
LET US INTRODUCE OUR FABULOUS
CONTESTANTS TO YOU FOR THIS
WEEK.
THE FORMER LIBERAL CABINET
MINISTER, SEAN CONWAY.
WHO WILL HAVE HIS HAND ON THE
BELL.

Smiling, Sean rings a bell. He is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with blond hair. He’s wearing round glasses, a blue suit, a white shirt and a spotted brown tie.

Steve continues THERE WE GO.
NICELY DONE.
FOR THE CONSERVATIVES, FORMER
CONSERVATIVE CABINET MINISTER,
JANET ECKER.

Janet presses a loud button. She is in her forties, with short blond hair. She’s wearing a bright pink jacket over a black sweater.

Steve says OH, THAT ONE IS A TOUGH ONE.

Janet says I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE DOING
THIS.

She laughs.

Steve says I WILL KNOW WHEN YOU BUZZ IN.
AND PINCHING IN FOR
DAVE COOKE WHO HAS A TERRIBLE
CASE OF CHICKEN ITIS, DAVE
CHRISTOPHERSON, FORMER NDP
CABINET MINISTER FROM HAMILTON.

Dave honks a small green plastic bugle. He is in his early fifties, with a moustache, with brown hair parted in the middle. He’s wearing glasses, a blue suit, a white shirt and a striped blue silk tie.

Steve continues NICELY DONE.
Shaking a noisy toy hammer, YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THE BUZZER
THING.
VERY GOOD.
NOW, LET'S FACE FACTS.
SEAN CONWAY HAS FORGOTTEN
MORE ABOUT PROVINCIAL POLITICAL
HISTORY THAN ALL OF US HAVE
EVER LEARNED.

Sean says FLATTERY WILL GET YOU NOWHERE
NOWHERE.

Janet laughs.

Steve says WE KNOW THAT GOING
IN.
SO WE'RE CHANGING THE
CONDITIONS SOMEWHAT TO MAKE IT
AN OPEN PLAYING FIELD.
SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WILL BE
OPEN.
YOU'RE INVITED TO BUZZ IN ON.
AND SOME OF THEM WILL BE
DIRECTLY TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY
AND YOU WON'T HAVE TO BUZZ IN
ON THOSE.
THAT WAY WE MAKE SURE THAT SEAN
CAN'T EVERY SINGLE QUESTION.
PLEASE BUZZ AS INDICATED
BECAUSE WE ALSO WANT TO GIVE
OUR DIRECTOR A CHANCE TO FIND YOU.
ONE POINT FOR A CORRECT ANSWER.
ONE POINT FOR A WRONG
ANSWER IF IT'S WITTY.
AND IT WILL BE THE
DISCRETION OF THE MODERATOR TO ASSIGN POINTS
BASED ON HOW WITTY
OR CORRECT THE ANSWER IS.

Sean says THE PANELISTS LAST YEAR,
THE BIG LOSER ON THE SHOW WAS THE NOW
ATTORNEY GENERAL MICHAEL BRIAN.
YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED-- HE LOST
BIG-TIME A YEAR AGO.

Janet says WE'RE GIVING IT TO YOU RIGHT
OUT OF THE GATE.

Steve says YOU CAN LOSE BIG-TIME
ON THIS SHOW AND STILL HAVE A
PARTY BOAT AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW.

Sean says BUT MICHAEL BRIAN WAS A VERY
FUNNY LOSER.

Steve says HE WAS.
OK, OUR FIRST CATEGORY IS
POLITICAL TRIVIA/ HISTORY.
AND AS YOU KNOW, ENERGY
HAS BEEN A HUGE ISSUE
AND WE WANT TO ASK YOU IN AN
OPEN QUESTION, HANDS ON YOUR
BUZZERS, WHO WAS THE
LONGEST SERVING HEAD OF ONTARIO
HYDRO?

The slate changes to shows the question Steve asked.

Sean says THAT'S A TRICK QUESTION.
BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SAY ADAM
BECK.
BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT ADAM
BECK.

Steve says WELL, GO WITH YOUR
GUT, SEAN.
RING IN AND GO WITH YOUR GUT.

Janet says GOOD QUESTION.

Sean says I'M GOING TO SAY BECK.
BUT I THINK I'M WRONG.

Steve says WELL, YOU ARE WRONG.
YOU ARE RIGHT.
IT IS ADAM BECK.
ADAM BECK, THE STATUE IS ON
UNIVERSITY AVENUE.
FOR AN EXTRA BONUS POINT, WHAT DID
ADAM BECK DO BEFORE HE BECAME
THE CHERIFF OF HYDRO?

Sean says HE…

Steve says RING IN.

Sean rings and says OH, I HAVE TO
RING IN.
OKAY.

The caption changes to "Sean Conway. Former Liberal Cabinet Minister."

Sean continues HE WAS THE MAKER OF I THINK
THEY WERE CIGAR BOXES.

Steve says YOU KNOW, WHAT
POLITICAL JOB HE HAD BEFORE?

Sean says HE WAS AN ALDERMAN MAYOR OF
LONDON.

Steve says YOU ARE CORRECT.
ANOTHER POINT FOR SEAN.
HE IS ALSO A TORY MPP.

Dave says WE'LL BE ON OUR WAY.

Janet says WE'LL COME BACK AT THE END OF
THE SHOW.

Steve says THINK WITTY.
WE CAN GIVE--

Sean says YOU JUST SET THAT UP.
YOU THOUGHT, ALL RIGHT.
IT'S GOING TO BE.

Steve says JUST A CIGAR, SEAN.
QUESTION TWO:

The slate changes to "In post war Ontario History, which government’s term lasted the longest?"

Sean rings his bell.

Steve says SEAN CONWAY.

Sean says THE
DAVIES GOVERNMENT.

Steve says INCORRECT. WHO WANTS
TO GIVE A SECOND SHOT AT IT?

Janet presses a loud button.

Steve says JANET?

Janet says HEPBURN.

Steve says HEPBURN'S GOVERNMENT.
NOT TRUE.

Dave says I WAS GOING TO-- LONGEST
SERVING?

Sean says LET'S GO BACK TO THE
QUESTION N POST-WAR ONTARIO
HISTORY-- THAT'S PRESUMABLY
POST SECOND WORLD WAR.

Steve says WHICH GOVERNMENT.
SINGLE GOVERNMENT.
NOT TENURE.
ONE GOVERNMENT LASTED THE
LONGEST.

Sean says NOW, YOU SEE
I'M GOING TO QUARREL WITH THAT.
THE POLITICAL SCIENTIST WOULD
SAY THE LONGEST IS-- THAT'S
GOING TO BE THE
RAE
GOVERNMENT.

Steve says LET'S LOOK AT THE
MONITOR IN THE STUDIO.
THERE IT IS.

A picture shows a man in his sixties sitting at a desk.

Steve says ROBERT KEITH RAE IS CORRECT.
FOUR YEARS AND NINE MONTHS.

Sean says I'LL DISPUTE THE QUESTION.

Dave says IT DIDN'T FEEL THAT LONG.

They all laugh.

Janet says I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING IT
SAY IT FELT LIKE TEN YEARS.
DIDN'T FEEL HISTORICAL.

Steve says ONLY FOUR YEARS AND
NINE MONTHS?
QUESTION THERE, THIS GOES TO
DAVE CHRISTOPHERSON HIMSELF.
YOU OTHER RELAX FOR A SECOND.

The slate changes to "The president of the US lives in the White House, the PM lives at 24 Sussex Drive. In what official residence does the premier of Ontario live?"

Dave says THERE IS NO OFFICIAL
RESIDENCE.

Steve says DAVE CHRISTOPHERSON,
TRICK QUESTION.
YOU GOT IT RIGHT.
NO OFFICIAL RESIDENCE FOR THE
PREMIER OF ONTARIO.

Janet laughs.

Sean says I’VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE
MODERATOR. WHAT WAS THE OFFICIAL
RESIDENCE OF THE ONTARIO
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR CALLED?

Steve says THE OFFICIAL
RESIDENCE OF THE ONTARIO
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR?

Sean says YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW
WE HAD ONE FOR DECADES AND
THOSE NASTY LIBERALS SHUT DOWN
CHORLEY PARK.

Steve says WHERE WAS IT?

Sean says IN ROSEDALE.

Steve says FABULOUS. IT’S
GOOD TO KNOW THSES KIND
OF THINGS.

Sean says AND THE STORY OF ITS CLOSURE
IS ONE OF THE GREAT COLOURFUL,
UM, GAFFAS OF ONTARIO'S
POLITICAL PAST.
BUT NOT FOR TODAY--

Steve says YOU WANT TO TELL IT
TODAY, YOU LOSE A BONUS POINT--

Janet says NOTICE HOW MUCH TIME HE'S
EATING UP.

Steve says WE ARE GOING TO WORK ON THIS.
NICKNAMES, FRIENDS.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU
NICKNAMES AND YOU GIVE US THE
PREMIER AND WE'LL GO TO YOU
INDIVIDUALLY FOR THIS.
TO DAVE CHRISTOPHERSON FIRST.
WHO WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE
BOARD?
WHOSE NICKNAME, PREMIER
WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD’

Dave says MIKE OR BILL.

Janet presses her button.

Steve says YOU CAN--

Janet laughs.

Dave says WAIT A MINUTE.
SEE?
SEE?
IT'S NOT THE HOUSE ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW?
YOU DON'T HAVE A MANTLE.
I'LL GO WITH CHAIRMAN OF THE
BOARD.
UM, I'LL GO WITH DAVIES.

Steve says WATCH THE MONITOR
HERE IN THE STUDIO.
SEE WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
SORRY.
IT'S ROBARTS.

Janet says THAT'S THE ONE ANSWER I
KNOW.
THE WHOLE SHOW.
THAT WILL BE THE ONE ANSWER--

Steve says JANET ECK, WHO WAS
OLD MAN ONTARIO?

Janet says FROST.

Steve says CHECK THE MONITOR AND
SEE IF YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU ARE CORRECT.
IT'S FROST.
SEAN CONWAY WHO DID THEY USED
TO CALL THE COLONEL?

Sean says T L KENNEDY.

Steve says THAT'S NOT WHO I WAS
THINKING OF, YOU'RE RIGHT.
HE WAS AS WELL.

Sean says AND COLONEL DREW.

Steve says GO TO A SHOT.
CHECK THE MONITOR IN THE
STUDIO.
BRING IT UP, MICHAEL, IF YOU
WOULD.
THAT'S THE SHOT OF DREW.
BUT KENNEDY WAS ALSO THE CORONEL.
WE SHOULD GIVE SEAN TWO POINTS
FOR THAT.

Janet says HE'S ALREADY HAD TOO MANY
POINTS.

She laughs.

Steve says BE FUNNY.
SEAN, THE NEXT QUESTION.
ONLY FOR SEAN CONWAY.
MIKE HARRIS IS ONLY THE SECOND
PREMIER TO REPRESENT A RIDING IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO.
WHO IS THE OTHER?

Sean says WILLIAM HOWARD HURST.

Steve says WHAT RIDING?

Sean says SUE SAINT MARY.

Steve says OH MA, IS HE GOOD.
YES SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.
OPEN QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY
HERE.
WHO WAS THE FIRST BLACK MPP IN
ONTARIO HISTORY?
DAVE CHRISTOPHERSON.

Dave says ALVIN CURLING.

Steve says HE WAS THE FIRST
BLACK CABINET MINISTER BUT NOT
THE MPP.
WHO WAS THE FIRST BLACK MPP?

The bell rings.

Sean says LEONARD BRATHWAITE IN
ETOBICOKE.

Steve says VERY GOOD.
1963 TO 1975.

Sean says BEAT IN '75 BY NICK LELOCK.

Steve says NICELY DONE, NO
BONUS POINT FOR THAT.

Dave says IN HOUSE OF COMMON, IT WAS
NICK ALEXANDER IN HAMILTON
WEST.
MY OWN--

Steve says DYNAMITE.
THAT'S TRUE. A POINT FOR DAVE
CHRISTOPHERSON FOR MENTIONING
ALEXANDER.
ANY TIME YOU MENTION HAMILTON
ON THIS SHOW, YOU GET A POINT.

Smiling, Dave says ALRIGHT. I’M WEARING A PIN TOO,
THIS CAME WITH A POINT.

Sean says SHEILA COPPS.

They laugh.

Steve says DON'T PUSH IT.
QUESTION SEVEN HERE.
WE'RE THINKING IN TERMS OF THE
PERCENTAGE OF SEATS WON.
IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE OF
SEATS WON, WHICH PARTY HAS HAD
THE BIGGEST LANDSLIDE?
IN ONE ELECTION IN
ONTARIO'S HISTORY.

Dave honks his bugle.

Steve says DAVE?

Dave says PETERSON.

Steve says NOT PETERSON.
CLOSE BUT NOT QUITE.

The bell rings.

Steve says GO AHEAD, SEAN CONWAY.

Sean says IT WILL BE FROST IN THE
'50'S.
ONE OF THOSE TORY ELECTIONS,
MAYBE '55.

Steve says CONWAY, YOU ARE
DAMN GOOD.
LESLIE FROST, '55.

HE WON 83 OUT OF 95 SEATS OR
85 percent OF THE SEATS.
OKAY.
CORRECT.
OKAY.
LET'S DO THE FLIP SIDE OF THIS.
IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE AGAIN,
WHICH PARTY WON A GOVERNMENT
WITH THE SMALLEST PERCENTAGE OF
THE SEATS WON IN AN ELECTION?

Dave says WE HAVE TO
BE IN THE RUNNING.
THE NDP IN '90?

Steve says NO.

Dave says REALLY?
WITH THE HIGH 30'S?

Steve says NO, YOU HAD-- I'M NOT
TALKING ABOUT PERCENT
OF THE VOTE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE
PERCENTAGE OF THE SEATS.

Dave says OH, SORRY.

Steve says YOU WON A MAJORITY WITH
38 percent OF THE VOTES.
BUT I'M THINKING WHO HAD A
SMALL NUMBER OF SEATS AND STILL
WON?

Sean says CERTAINLY.

Steve says HIT THOSE BUZZERS.

Sean says LET'S UNDERSTAND THE
QUESTION AGAIN.
THE QUESTION IS, WHICH--
BECAUSE IT'S TWO--

Steve laughs.

Janet says IS IT A NUMBER OR
PERCENTAGE?

Sean continues BECAUSE THE TWO LIKELY
CANDIDATES ARE PETERSON IN '35
AND, UM, AND DREW IN '43.
BUT I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE
QUESTION.
WHICH--

Steve says YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'M GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU.
DREW IN '43 HAD THE SMALLEST
NUMBER OF SEATS BUT PETERSON IN
'85 HAD THE SMALLEST PERCENTAGE
OF SEATS.
TLET’S SEE THE PICTURE OF DAVID
PETERSON WHILE WE ARE AT IT.
THERE'S HIS PORTRAIT FROM
QUEEN'S PARK.
THE PETERSON-- WON 48 OUT OF 125 SEATS.
ONLY 38 percent OF THE SEATS AND YET
YOU WON THE RIGHT TO GOVERN.

Sean says YOUR AUDIENCE SHOULD BE
SUSPICIOUS OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW
THE ANSWER TO ANY OF THESE
QUESTIONS.

Sean laughs.

Steve says NOT AT ALL.
WE'RE HERE TO EDUCATE.

Janet says THEY HAD A RUN THROUGH.
THEY REHEARSED.
I KNOW THAT.

She laughs.

Steve says NO, NO, NO.
YOU ALL IN YOUR TIME IN THE
LEGISLATURE ENJOYED THE LOST ART
OF WITTY HECKLING.
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, HECKLING
HAS COME TO A SOMEWHAT MORE
CRUDE LEVEL AND SO I'LL GIVE
YOU THE HECKLE.
YOU ARE TO BUZZ IN AND TELL ME
WHO WAS THE HECKLER AND THE
HECKLEE.
WHO SAID "YOU LITTLE PUKE?"
WHO WADDING HIS FINGER ACROSS
THE FLOOR AND SAID--

Sean says THIS IS FAMILY TELEVISION.
SPONSORED BY THE ONTARIO
EDUCATIONAL ONTARIO AUTHORITY.

They chuckle.

Steve says THE ONTARIO LEGISLATURE IS
SUPPOSED TO BE FAMILY
TELEVISION, TOO.
WHO-- I'LL GIVE YOU A HINT
HERE.
SOMEONE IN ECKER GOVERNMENT AND
SAID--

Janet says I MERCIFULLY FORGOT IT.
I MERCIFULLY ERASED IT FROM THE
MEMORY.

Steve says YOU SAID SOME LITTLE
PUKE.

Janet says I KNOW SOME GUY SAID HE
DIDN'T WANT GUYS THROWING UP ON
HIS KIDS AT THE BALLPARK.
MISTER GROSSMAN SAID THAT.

Steve says A POINT FOR JANET.
OK, THERE WAS A FORMER TORYCABINET
MINISTER IN THE
HARRIS GOVERNMENT, YOU DON’T REMEMBER?

Sean says I HAVE A VAGUE MEMORY OF
THIS.
BUT I CAN'T.

Janet says NO, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO
SAID THIS.

Steve says IT WAS A HAMILTON, I HATE TO SAY.
BRAD CLARK SAID IT TO THE NDP.

Janet says WELL, HE WAS OBVIOUSLY
SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY PUSHED.

Sean says THRUST INTO DEBATE.
YOU LITTLE PUKE.

They laugh.

Janet says WELL, IT IS ELOQUENT.

Steve says WHICH TORY PREMIER
LOOKED ACROSS THE FLOOR OF THE
LEGISLATURE AND SAID TO A
CURRENT LIBERAL MPP, YOU
A-HOLE.
SEAN CONWAY?

Sean says IT WAS MICHAEL HARRIS, I
THINK, LOOKING AT AND PERHAPS
TALKING TO JERRY PHILLIPS.

Steve says CORRECT ON BOTH
COUNTS.
A POINT FOR SEAN CONWAY AND
HERE'S THE LAST ONE.
UM, WHICH CONSERVATIVE BACK
BENCHER LOOKED ACROSS THE FLOOR
ONCE AGAIN AT THE NDP, MUST BE
SOMETHING ABOUT YOU GUYS, AND
FLASHED THE BIRD?

Dave says OH, THAT WAS--

Janet says JOHN O'TOOLE.

Dave says YEP.

Steve says TO JANET ECKER THERE.
AN EXTRA POINT, WHO WAS JOHN O'TOOLE GIVING THE
FINGER TO?

The three guests say PETER KORMOS.

Steve says EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
GIVE A POINT TO JANET THERE.
THIS ONE IS NOW TRIVIA QUESTIONS
ABOUT PREVIOUS ONTARIO
ELECTIONS.
SO BRUSH UP ON YOUR ELECTORAL
HISTORY.

The slate changes to "Last year, the Tories tried to win their consecutive majority government. When was the last time a party won back to back to back majority governments?"

The bell rings.

Steve says SEAN CONWAY.

Sean says IT WAS THE FROST
ADMINISTRATION.
'50...

Steve says THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

Janet says NO, IT'S HARRIS.
GOT BACK-TO-BACK.
HE WAS THE FIRST IN--

Steve says HERE'S THE QUESTION:
WHEN IS THE LAST TIME A PARTY
WON THE BACK-TO-BACK-TO-BACK--

Janet says A THREE-PEAT.

Sean says WELL, IT WAS FROST IN '51,
'55 A AND '59.

Steve says THAT'S NOT THE LAST
TIME.
YOU ARE CORRECT ON IT HAS BEEN--

Sean says ALL RIGHT.

Steve says THE LAST TIME THAT
ANY PARTY WON THREE MAJORITIES IN A
ROW.

Dave says WAS IT THE TORIES?

Steve says IT WAS THE TORIES.

Janet says IT WASN'T BILL DAVIS--
NO.
'75 WAS A MINORITY.
ROBARTS?

Dave says THREE IN THE MAJORITY
GOVERNMENT.

Steve says YOU'RE GETTING THERE.
YOU KNOW, JANET ECKER AND DAVE
CHRISTOPHERSON GET A POINT EACH
BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSE ON IT.
'63 AND '67 FOR ROBARTS AND '71
FOR DAVIS.
THAT'S THREE
BACK-TO-BACK-TO-BACK.
TWO DIFFERENT
LEADERS--

Sean says CLEVER TWIST.

Steve says HAVE TO MAKE IT A
LITTLE TOUGH, OKAY?
HERE'S THE NEXT QUESTION.
HERE'S THE NEXT QUESTION.
AN OPEN QUESTION.
HANDS ON THE BUZZERS, EVERYONE:

The slate changes to "Have the Liberals ever won 3 consecutive majorities?"

The bell rings.

Steve says SEAN.

Sean says WELL, CERTAINLY IF THE
QUESTION IS IN THE POST
CONFEDERATION ERA--

Steve says THE QUESTION IS,
EVER.

Sean says YES.

Steve says YOU WANT TO NAME SOME
OF THEM?
WHO WERE THEY?

Sean says MISTER OLIVER MOWAT WAS PREMIER
FROM 1872 TO 1896.
AND CERTAINLY I THINK WON
SIX OR SEVEN GENERAL ELECTIONS.
AND I HAVE TO THINK THERE WERE
TWO OR THREE
BACK-TO-BACK-TO-BACK MAJORITY
GOVERNMENTS IN THERE.

Steve says YOU ARE CORRECT, MISTER
CONWAY.
A POINT FOR YOU.

Dave says WE'RE ON THE SHOW, WHY?

They laugh.

Janet says WE'RE THE PRIZE.
SUPPORTING SEAN.

Sean says YOU'RE SO CLEVER.

Steve says AND THAT-- IN FACT,
THE LIBERALS, AS MISTER CONWAY IS
QUITE CORRECT IN SAYING WON NINE
BACK-TO-BACK-TO-BACK TO
BACK-TO-BACK.
NINE IN--

Janet says IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS.

Steve says AND MOWAT WAS THERE
FOR A LOT OF THEM.

Sean says I THINK THE INFORMATION
BEHIND THAT QUESTION IS ALSO
NOT QUITE RIGHT.
BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.

Steve says FINE.
AM I GETTING TESTING ON THAT
AFTERWARDS?

Janet says HE'LL LAUNCH A PROTEST.

Steve says THIS IS A DAVE
CHRISTOPHERSON QUESTION.
ONLY THREE TIMES HAVE THE NDP
FORMED THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
CAN YOU TELL ME THE DATES OF
THE-- NOT THE DATES, BUT THE
YEARS OF THOSE THREE ELECTION
INSIDE AND THE PREMIERS THAT
WON THOSE ELECTIONS?

Dave saus WE FORMED THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION--

Steve says YOU FORMED THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
NAME THE YEARS OF THE ELECTIONS
AND THE PREMIERS WHO BESTED
YOUR LEADERS?

Dave says SO NOW WE KNOW WHY DAVE
COOKE DIDN'T COME, RIGHT?
AT LEAST NOW I KNOW WHY.
WELL, IT'S STEPHEN LEWIS.
UM, RIGHT?

Steve says HE WAS--

Dave says OFFICIAL-- LEADER OF THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.

Steve says THAT IS CORRECT.

The caption changes to "Dave Christorpherson. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."

Dave says AND I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M
STUCK-- ALL OF MY ANSWERS ARE
BILL DAVIS TODAY.

Steve says THAT'S '75.
SO THERE'S FOUR TIMES.
1975 WAS ONE.
HANG ON.
THIS IS A DAVE-- YOU NEED SOME
HELP?

Dave says YEAH.

Sean says THINK ABOUT IT-- YOU WERE
THERE FOR ONE OF THEM----

Dave says THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION?
I DON'T THINK-- WAIT A MINUTE.

Sean says NOT LONG BEFORE--

Dave says WE SKIPPED THAT.
I WENT FROM THE GOOD SIDE WAY
OVER TO THE CORNER.

Sean says JANET.
REMEMBER.

Steve says YOU SAID '75.

AND--

Steve says '75 WAS THERE.

Sean says OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
A HAPPY-- A VERY UNHAPPY TIME.

Janet says '85.
'87.

The caption changes to "Janet Ecker. Former P.C. Cabinet Minister."

Steve says RIGHT.

She laughs.

Dave says GOING INTO '85
WITH PETERSON.

Steve says IT'S 1985.
PETERSON WON THE HUGE
MAJORITY.
BOB RAE WAS THE OFFICIAL LEADER
OF THE OPPOSITION.

YES.
THAT'S RIGHT.

Steve says SEAN, GIVE US THE LAST TWO.

Sean says 1943, TED WAS A VERY
CLOSE SECOND TO GEORGE DREW.
WON THE MINORITY, UM, OR WON
GOVERNMENT IN-- IN THE ELECTION
IN '43.
AND I THINK THAT AGAIN IN '48.

Steve says YOU ARE CORRECT.
'43 AND '48 AND DREW
AND... THAT'S CORRECT.
HERE'S AN OPEN QUESTION.
HANDS ON THE BUZZERS,
EVERYBODY.
WHO LED THE FIRST MINORITY
GOVERNMENT EVER IN CANADIAN
HISTORY?
AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A HINT.
IT'S FEDERAL.
FIRST MAJORITY GOVERNMENT,
EXCUSE ME, MINORITY GOVERNMENT
EVER.
WHO WAS THE LEADER?
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A
PRIME MINISTER.

Sean says YOU SEE, THIS-- NOW, AND--

Steve says ALL RIGHT.
DON'T GIVE ME WEASEL WORDS
HERE.
NO--

Sean says THE FIRST MINORITY
GOVERNMENT?
YOU'RE SAYING IT'S FEDERAL.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, I--

Steve says TAKE A STAB AT
IT, FOLKS.

Sean says IT'S MCKENZIE--
AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO WATCH
THIS.
BECAUSE IT'S THE WAY THE
PARTIES-- IT'S NOT AS EASY.

Steve says JUST SAY IT FOR GOSH
SAKES.

Sean says IT'S GOING TO BE-- 1921--
1921 OR 1925.

Steve says STOP.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
1921.
MACKENZIE KING.
POINT FOR SEAN.
NOW JANET.
ONLY FOR JANET.

The slate changes to "What former liberal MPP was actually elected under the Liberal-Labour banner?"

Steve continues IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NOT WELL YOU
WERE ELECTED BUT CERTAINLY
DURING YOUR TIME IN QUEEN'S
PARK.
HE ACTUALLY GOT ELECTED UNDER
THE LIBERAL LABOUR BANNER.
I THINK HE SAT AS A LIBERAL
CAUCUS BUT WAS ELECTED AS A
LIBERAL LABOUR MPP. A HINT,
HE WAS FROM NORTH AMERICAN
ONTARIO.
RAINY RIVER WAS HIS RIDING.

Sean says AND HIS FAVOURITE EXPRESSION
WAS... Making a funny voice, he says TERRIBLE, THANK YOU.

Steve laughs.

Janet says I KNOW.
I KNOW.
AND I CAN'T--
I KNOW WHO YOU MEAN.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.

Sean says CAN I GIVE ANOTHER HINT?

Steve says GO AHEAD SEAN.

Sean says HIS BROTHER, WAS THE
FEDERAL MEMBER FOR THE SAME
RIDING OF THE HIS BROTHER IS
NOW A PROMINENT, UM, SERVANT OF
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
IN THE INFORMATION
BUSINESS.

Steve says I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

Sean says YES.

Steve says I DIDN’T KNOW THAT. GIVE ME THE
BROTHER'S FIRST NAME.

Sean says PAT AND JOHN REEVE.

Janet says THAT’S RIGHT.

Sean says BUT THE LIBERAL PARTY IN THAT
PART OF NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO,
PAT REED AND HIS BROTHER JOHN
WERE PART OF A
MOVEMENT, OR AN ARRANGEMENT
THAT HAD BEEN GOING ON THERE
FOR ABOUT 60 YEARS.
LIBERAL-- IF YOU LOOK AT THE
RECORDS, THE-- IF LIBERALS WON
IN NORTH AMERICAN WON--
NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO IN THAT
RAINY RIVER AREA, THEY
WERE GENERALLY NOMINATED UNDER
THE LIBERAL LABOUR BEEN AER
FROM ABOUT 1919 ONWARD.

Steve says AND HE RUN UNTIL WHAT YEAR?

Sean says HE WAS ELECTED IN '67 AND
LEFT IN '84.
AND WENT TO THE-- TO THE
PRESIDENCY OF THE ONTARIO
MINING ASSOCIATION.

Steve says RIGHT ON . WHICH HE
JUST RETIRED.
CORRECT.
NEXT QUESTION, AN .OPEN
QUESTION.

The slate changes to "The 42-year Tory dynasty ended with David Peterson, a Liberal, becoming premier But the first dynasty in Ontario political history was a Liberal one. It lasted 34 years and ended with the election of which Tory premier?"

The bell rings.

Steve says SEAN CONWAYNE.

Sean says A MAN ABOUT WHOM THE VERY
TORY TELEGRAM SAID YOU COULD
THROW A BRICK THROUGH ANY SMALL
TOWN OFFICE IN ONTARIO AND HIT
JP WHITNEY.
THE PRIDE OF MORRISBURG,
ONTARIO.

Janet chuckles.

Steve says THERE'S MISTER WHITNEY
AS WE SPEAK.
WE LIKE HIS
BLOCK.

Sean says HE RAN.
IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE A
HUNDRED YEARS AGO, ABOUT NOW,
THE 32-YEAR-OLD LIBERAL
GOVERNMENT, UM, WAS KIND OF
COMING UNGLUED.
IN THE MIDST OF NOT, NOT, UM,
NOT AN INFREQUENT SCANDAL.
AND JP WHITNEY, ABOUT WHOM MANY
THOUGHT SOME IN HIS OWN PARTY,
THAT HE WASN'T UP TO BEING
PREMIER ONTARIO.
WON A MASSIVE MAJORITY IN '1905
ON THE PLEDGE, HONEST ENOUGH TO
BE BOLD.
AND BOLD ENOUGH TO BE HONEST.

Sean says GOOD SLOGAN.

Steve says COULD YOU RUN ON THAT
TODAY?
WHO KNOWS.
WHO KNOWS.
JAMES WHITNEY IS THE ANSWER.
JANET ECKER, THIS IS FOR YOU. THE 42-YEAR TORY DYNASTY

The slate changes to "Before Ernie Eves, who was the last Conservative premier to lose an election?"

Steve says THIS IS A BIT OF A TRICK
QUESTION.

Janet says YES, BECAUSE MILLER DIDN'T
LOSE.
HE DIDN'T--

Steve says HE WON THE 85
ELECTION.

Sean says THIS IS A VERY CLEVER
QUESTION.

Steve says ISN'T IT, THOUGH.

Sean says HE HAD A HORSE NAMED SPARK
PLUG, DID OUR...

Steve laughs.

Janet says AS LONG AS HE DIDN'T MAKE
HIM THE ROMAN SENATOR OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

Steve says HAD ROOTS ON MANITOU
ISLAND.

Sean says BUT I THINK JANET SERVED
WITH HIS GRANDSON, NOEL-- NO,
WAIT.
THE LAST-- THE QUESTION, THE
LAST CONSERVATIVE PREMIER.

Janet says HE LOST IN THE ELECTION.

Sean says NO, SORRY IT'S--

Steve says IS THE GRANDSON HINT
APPLICABLE?

Sean says NO.
I THINK THE LAST CONSERVATIVE
PREMIER TO LOSE AN ELECTION,
UM, WAS, WAS GEORGE STEWART
HENRY TO MITCHELL F. HEPBURN IN
JUNE OF 1934.

Steve says DING, DING, DING,
DING, DING.
HE'S GOOD, KIDS.

Janet says ABSOLUTELY.

Steve says THAT'S CORRECT.
SEAN CONWAY GETS ONE FOR THERE.
LET'S DO ANOTHER QUESTION HERE
ABOUT CONSERVATIVE, EXCUSE ME,
CONSECUTIVE MAJORITY
GOVERNMENTS.
THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS
PREMIERS IN OUR HISTORY WHO
HAVE WON CONSECUTIVE MAJORITY
GOVERNMENTS.
AND I'M GOING TO INVITE ALL OF
YOU NOW TO RING IN AND SHOUT
OUT SOME NAMES.
WHO'S DONE IT?

The bell rings.

Janet says HARRIS.

Steve says POINT FOR
THESE TWO.
HARRIS IS RIGHT. KEEP GOING.

Sean says FROST.

Steve says FROST DID IT.

Sean says THE QUESTION IS-- FROST.

Steve says TWO FOR HARRIS, THREE
FOR FROST.

Janet says ROBARTS.

Steve says ROBARTS. THAT’S ONE
FOR JANET.
Sean says WHITNEY.

Steve says WHITNEY DID FOUR TIMES.

Sean says FERGUSON.

Steve says FERGUSON DID THREE TIMES.
WE'VE MENTIONED A
LIBERAL WHO DID.

Sean says CONSERVATIVE PREMIERS--

Steve says NO, CONSECUTIVE
MAJORITY.

Janet says CONSECUTIVE MAJORITY.

Steve says
CONSECUTIVE MAJORITY
GOVERNMENTS.
WE'VE MENTIONED
HARRIS AND ROBARTS.

Sean says OF CONSERVATIVE--

Steve says NO, ANY PARTY.

Janet says ANY PARTY.

Sean says ANY PARTY. OH, SORRY, I THOUGHT
IT WAS CONSERVATIVE.

Steve says WHO ELSE?

Sean says MOWAT.

Steve says MOWAT DID SIX
CONSECUTIVE MAJORITY GOVERNMENTS.
THAT'S RIGHT.

Sean says NOW YOU WANT
TO-
GEORGE ROSS.

Steve says NO.
WE HAVE FERGUSON AND FROST-- I
THINK WE HAVE THEM ALL.
DID SOMEBODY SAY HEPBURN?

Janet says YES, I DID.

Steve says HEPBURN IS THE ONLY
OTHER GUY.
VOILA.
WELL DONE BE EVERYBODY.
THIS ONE IS ON LEADERS.
THIS IS ON LEADERS.
AND SEAN CONWAY, THIS FIRST
QUESTION IS FOR YOU:

The slate changes to "In 1943 Liberal Premier Mitchell Hepburn quit; Gordon Conant became temporary premier; the Liberal convention picked Harry Nixon who lost to Conservative George Drew. In the next election in 1945, who was the Liberal leader?"

Steve says YOU'RE WITH ABOUT ME, RIGHT?

Sean says YOUR QUESTION STARTS WITH A
WRONG FACT.

Steve says MY GOD, TELL ME.

Sean says HEPBURN RESIGNED
SUDDENLY IN OCTOBER OF '42.
BUT ANYWAY--

Steve says EXCUSE ME.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
'42, NOT '43.

Janet says HE CAN DO THE WHOLE
SHOW, THE QUESTIONS AND
THE ANSWERS.

She laughs.

Steve says IN THE NEXT ELECTION,
IN THE NEXT ELECTION OF '45,
WHO WAS THE LIBERAL LEADER?

Sean says BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND
FROM ELGIN COUNTY, MITCHELL F.
HEPBURN.

Steve says YOU GOT IT RIGHT.

A painting of an old man with receding hair appears.

Sean says MY GRANDFATHER WAS A LONG
TIME MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATURE
AND HE WAS ONE OF THE MITCH'S
FAITHFUL TROOPERS.
THAT'S WHY I HEARD THESE
STORIES SINCE I WAS A CHILD.

Steve says GOOD FOR YOU.
HERE'S AN OPEN QUESTION NOW.

The slate changes to "Name the only politician in Canadian history to defeat on the floor of the House of Commons, and on the floor of the Ontario Legislature, two different Conservative governments."

Sean says R K U Q C.

Steve laughs and says BOB RAE IS RIGHT.
FOR AN EXTRA POINT, CAN YOU NAME
THE TWO GOVERNMENTS HE DEFEATED?

The bugle honks.

Dave says THE CLARK GOVERNMENT AND
PETERSON
GOVERNMENT.

Steve says WE SHOULD PROBABLY
GIVE EVERYBODY A-- IT WAS,
ACTUALLY, NO.
HANG ON A SEC.
THE CLARK GOVERNMENT IS RIGHT.
WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE?

Dave says PETERSON.

Sean says NO, THE MILLER GOVERNMENT.

Steve says POINT FOR SEAN.
AND CLARK AND THEN MILLER IN
'85.
THIS ONE YOU WON'T HAVE TO
THINK ABOUT TOO FAR BACK.
BUT IT MAY BE A BIT TOUGH:

The slate changes to "Who’s the leader of the Ontario Green Party?"

Sean says FRANK...

Dave says DION?

Steve laughs and says THAT'S RIGHT.
HALF A POINT FOR
CONWAY AND HALF A POINT FOR
CHRISTOPHERSON.

Sean says A BONUS POINT: WHO IS THE
DEPUTY LEADER OF THE ONTARIO
GREEN PARTY?
AND WHAT'S HIS POLITICAL
LINEAGE?

Steve says I'M RINGING IN.
I THINK IT'S PETER ELGIE, WHO WAS THE
SON OF ROBERT ELGIE, FORMER
CONSERVATIVE CABINET
MINISTER, WHO IS THE SON OF
GOLDYN ELGIE, TORY MPP,
NO PROGRESSIVE MPP
FROM THE BEACH TORY.

Sean says GOOD.
FULL BONUS POINTS.
I'M IMPRESSED.

Steve says SO I WANT A FEW
POINTS POUR THAT ONE.
ALL RIGHT.
NEXT QUESTION.
THANKS.
NEXT QUESTION, THIS A JANET
ECKER QUESTION:

The slate changes to "George Drew left Ontario politics in 1948 to run for the national Conservative leadership. Whom did he defeat on the last ballot for the federal PC leadership?"

Steve says AND WE WOULD NOT ASK
THE QUESTION UNLESS WE HAD A
SNEAKING SUSPICION THAT YOU
WOULD KNOW THE ANSWER.
SO--

Janet says IN 19..

Steve says IN 1948.

Janet says I'M NOT THAT OLD.

Steve says NONE OF US IS.

She chuckles.

Steve continues BUT... BUT WHOM DID HE DEFEAT
ON THE LAST BALLOT?
TO WIN THE LEADERSHIP OF THE
FEDERAL TORY PARTY?
ANYBODY ELSE?

Sean says I'M GOING
TO SAY DIFENBAKER.

Steve says CORRECT.
QUESTION 23...
WEAVER GOING TO GIVE YOU A
PREMIER AND YOU GIVE US THE
CITIES THEY CAME FROM.
OKAY?
OPEN QUESTION.
WHERE WAS JOHN ROBARTS FROM?

Janet says LONDON.

Steve says CORRECT.
JANET DIDN'T BUZZ IN.
BUT WE'LL GIVE IT TO HER.
SECOND ONE IS MITCHELL HEPBURN.

The bell rings.

Steve says SEAN CONWAY.

Sean says ELGIN COUNTY, SAINT THOMAS
AREA.
HE WAS A FARMER, CAME FROM YARMOUTH.

Steve says CAME FROM YARMOUTH.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
LIVED ON-- CHATAM ISN'T THE
BIGGEST CITY NEARBY BUT--

Sean says NO, SAINT THOMAS.

Steve says OKAY.
THIRD ONE, LESLIE FROST.

The bell rings.

Steve says SEAN CONWAY.

Sean says LINDSAY.

Steve says LINDSAY, ONTARIO IS
CORRECT.

Sean says BORN IN ORILLIA.

Steve says VERY GOOD.
HIS FATHER WAS THE MAYOR I
THINK.

Sean says YES.

Steve says TWO MINUTES TO GO.
IS THAT IT?
WE'RE OUT OF TIME?
OKAY.

Janet says THANK HEAVENS.

Dave says WHAT A SAME, EH?
OH, BOY.
TIME FLIES.

She laughs.

Steve says LET'S DO ONE MORE
FAST QUESTION:

The slate changes to "There have been 2 Catholic premiers in Ontario History? Name them."

Steve says TWO CATHOLIC PREMIERS IN
ONTARIO HISTORY.

The bell rings.

Steve says SEAN CONWAY.

Sean says WELL, THE FIRST PREMIER OF
ONTARIO WAS AN OUTSIDE PILLAR
OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
JOHN SANDFIELD MCDONALD.

Steve says CORRECT.
WHO IS THE OTHER ONE?

Sean says THE NEXT ONE IS...

Steve says THE ONLY OTHER
CATHOLIC PREMIER IN ONTARIO
HISTORY.
YOU'RE RIGHT.
MCDONALD WAS THE FIRST BACK IN
1867.
SECOND UP WITH IS... OH, MY
GOSH.
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GUYS DON'T
KNOW THIS.
HIS NAME IS DALTON JP MCGUINTY.

The three guests say OH.

Steve says CONWAY.
HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THAT?

Sean says SOMETIMES...

Sean laughs.

Steve says THAT'S AMAZING.
WE HAVE ONE MINUTE TO GO.
SUSANNA, YOU NEED MORE TIME TO GET THESE
TOTALS TALLIED UP?
I'M GOING TO GIVE HER, I'M
GOING TO GIVE HER 30 SECONDS TO
GET THESE TALLIED UP.
IN THE MEANTIME... I WANT TO
THANK YOU ALL FOR
PARTICIPATING.
GOOD, SUE.
LET'S HAVE IT.
OH, YES.
KEEP GOING.
GO.
Steve writes something down and continues OKAY.

Janet says YOU'LL GET THE CALL--

Sean says I SHOULD.
DEEP IN THE OTTAWA VALLEY IN A
LITTLE PLACE NEAR...

Steve says DAVE, THANK YOU
FOR GETTING 8.5
QUESTIONS CORRECT.

Dave says SOUNDS LIKE THIRD.

Janet laughs.

Steve says JANET ECKER, CONGRATULATIONS
ON YOUR TEN CORRECT ANSWERS.
AND STEVE PAIKIN,
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ONE
CORRECT ANSWER.

The guests laugh.

Steve continues SEAN CONWAY, COMING IN AS THE
KING OF ONTARIO POLITICAL
TRIVIA WITH 22.5.
YOU'RE THE CHAMPION.

(APPLAUSE)

Sean says TELL THAT TO DALTON
MCGUINTY.
THAT JUST PROVES I COULDN'T
REFER HIS LINEAGE.

Steve says NOW, BE WHETHER IT'S
WORTH BEING CHAMPION WHEN YOU
DIDN'T KNOW THE LINEAGE OF YOUR
PREMIER IS ANOTHER QUESTION.
BUT THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU.
AND WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT
WEEK.
DAVE, THANKS FOR PINCHING IN.

Dave says THANK YOU.
IT WAS FUN.

Steve says THAT'S "4TH READING."
FOR THIS WEEK.
I'M STEVE
PAIKIN, UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY.
THANK YOU.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Erica Balch.

Director, Michael Smith.

A production of TVOntario. Copyright 2004, The Ontario Educational Communications Authority.

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