Transcript: The New Agenda | Oct 12, 2003

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS WEEK ON
"FOURTH READING."

Howard stands behind the podium and addresses the crowd. He's in his fifties, clean-shaven with short brown hair. He's wearing a pinstriped suit with a gray shirt and purple tie.

He says I THINK WE DESERVED A
BETTER RESULT.

Steve says ONE SEAT SHORT.
BUT SHOULD NDP BE GIVEN
OFFICAL PARTY STATUS
ANYWAY?

The title of the show "4th Reading" flies across the screen.

Steve, Ruth, Richard, and another panelist sit with two guests around a table in the shape of a number 4. A logo on screen reads "4th reading."

Steve is in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a beige coat over a yellow shirt and rectangular glasses.

Steve says GOOD SUNDAY
AFTERNOON.
I AM STEVE PAIKIN THIS
IS "FOURTH READING" FOR
THIS WEEK.
27 SMILING LIBERAL MPPS
MET AS THIS PAST WEEK
THEIR FIRST GET TOGETHER
SINCE LIBERALS MASSIVE
MAJORITY GOVERNMENT WIN.
NOW BEGINS THE
TRANSITION.
WHICH WE HAVE NOT HAD IN
ONTARIO SINCE THE SUMMER
OF 95 WHEN THEY WERE
TOSSED OUT AND
CONSERVATIVE RODE IN
COMMON SENSE REVOLUTION.
NOW, IT IS THE TORIES
WHO ARE LAYING OFF STAFF
SHIRTING FILES LOOKING
FOR NEWS JOCKS.
HE CAN MEETING PREMIER
DALTON MCGUINTY WARNED
TORY APPOINTED
SUPERVISOR OF THE
TORONTO SCHOOL BOARD NOT
TO MAKE ANY CUTS OR
CLOSE SCHOOLS. WHILE HIS
PARTY GETS UP TO SCRATCH
ON THE STATE OF THE
PROVINCE FINANCES AND
FIGURES OUT HOW TO
PROCEED WITH ITS AGENDA.

Dalton McGuinty stands behind the podium and addresses the crowd. He's clean-shaven, in his forties with short brown hair. A caption reads "Dalton McGuinty. Premier-designate."

He says WE CAN'T YOU KNOW
SEPARATE OURSELVES FROM
HUMAN FRAILTY AND HUMAN
NATURE.
I AM NOT CLAIMING THAT I
WILL BE ABLE TO LEAVE A
PERFECT GOVERNMENT CAN I
TELL YOU THIS WE WILL
WORK AS HARD AS WE
POSSIBLY CAN.
AND WE WILL ALWAYS LOOK
TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS
RIGHT THING TO DO.
MY ADVICE AND MY URGING
TO MR. CHRISTIE AND THE
OTHERS IS TO DO NOTHING
MORE THAN CARRY ON
ROUTINE BUSINESS WHEN IT
COMES TO CUTS, AND
SCHOOL CLOSURES, I WOULD
STRONGLY URGE YOU TO SET
THAT ASIDE.
AND LEAVE THAT BUSINESS
FOR THE INCOMING DULY
ELECTED TRUSTESS.

Steve says DALTON
MCGUINTY.
EARLIER THIS WEEK AT
QUEEN'S PARK WE WANT TO
TALK ABOUT THE NDP AND
WHETHER THEY CAN A I
CHIEF OFFICAL PARTY
STATUS.
FIRST, WHAT CAN WE
EXPECT FROM THIS NEW
LIBERAL GOVERNMENT?
IN UPCOMING DAYS AND
HERE TO HELP WITH US
THAT FORMER CABINET
MINISTER RUTH GRIER.
BLAIR MCCREADIE AND
THIS WEEK BOB
RICHARDSON.
SITTING RIGHT SPEAKER
HERE AT THE "FOURTH
READING" NO GOVERNMENT
CHAIR.

Bob's in his forties, clean-shaven with short brown hair. He's wearing a black jacket, glasses and a gray shirt. The caption changes to "Bob Richardson. Ontario Liberal Advisor."

Bob says IT IS WEIRD.
ONLY HAPPENS ONCE EVERY
60 YEARS.

Steve says TWICE.

Bob says TWICE.

Steve says GIVE AS YOU
SENSE ABOUT WHAT'S
HAPPENING BEHIND THE
SCENES.
WHAT'S GOING ON?

Bob says I THINK IT IS VERY BUSY
TRANSITION IN FULL SWING
THEY HAVE GOT EXCELLENT
TEAM WORKING ON IT.
AND I THINK THINGS ARE
GOING TO BE IN GOOD
SHAPE FOR OCTOBER 23
WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS
SWORN IN.

Steve says WHAT POLICY DO THEY MOVE
ON RIGHT AWAY?
CAN YOU GIVE AS YOU
HINT?

Bob says I THINK IT HAS BEEN
PRETTY CLEAR THAT
PHYSICAL ISSUES HAVE TO
BE ADDRESSED RIGHT OFF
THE TOP AND I DON'T
THINK INS ANY SECRET IT
HAS BEEN IN PAPERS AND
OTHER PLACE THAT IS IT
TIME FOR AUDIT TO FIND
OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE
STATE OF THE FINANCES
ARE IN THIS PROVINCE IN
AND WHAT IS THE SAOEUFZ
DEFENDANT WRIT.
AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE
DONE IN ORDER TO KEEP
OUR BOOKINGS BALANCED
AND MOVE FORWARD.
THAT WOULD BE TOP
PRIORITY FOR ANY
GOVERNMENT.
AND IT IS CERTAINLY FOR
THIS ONE.

Steve says JERRY FILL LIMITS HAS
BEEN MPP SINCE 1987 AND
QUITE A LINE COMING IN
WHEN HE SAID, IT IS
AMAZE WHEN YOU R
GOVERNMENT CALLS
GET RETURNED ALL OF A
SUDDEN.
IS THE PHONE RINGING
OFF THE HOOK?
ARE YOU BEING INUNDATED
BY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO
GET ATTACHED?

Bob says I THINK -- I THINK
CERTAINLY OUR ELECTED
MEMBERS ARE.
I THINK THEY HAVE
SUDDENLY GONE ON A FEW
PEOPLE'S SPEED DIALS AND
I THINK THAT HAPPENS
WHEN ANY NEW GOVERNMENT
COMES IN.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LITTLE
BIT MORE POPULAR THAN
THEY WERE BEFORE.
SO THEY OUGHT TO SIT
BACK AND SMILE AND
ENJOY.
THEY WORKED HARD.
HE ALSO SAID HE DOES NOT
READ TOO MUCH INTO THIS
BECAUSE HE SAYS WE LOST
MY IQ DID NOT GO DOWN
TEN POINTS AND NOW THAT
I HAVE WON IT DID NOT GO
UP TEN POINTS.
THE GREAT THING ABOUT
THIS GOVERNMENT THIS
TIME I THINK THERE IS
NUMBER OF PEOPLE AROUND
WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH
BIG WINS AND BIG LOSSES
AND OH, NO ONE GOING TO
GET TOO CARRIED AWAY.

Steve says RUTH GIVE US YOUR
MEMORIES FROM 1990 ON
THIS.
WHAT'S HARDEST PART
ABOUT TRANSITION?

Ruth Grier is in her sixties, with short white hair. She's wearing a purple shirt. The caption changes to "Ruth Grier. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."

She says WELL, DON'T FORGET
THE IT IS TRANSITION
THAT REALLY HAPPENING
AND THE PREMIER OFFICE
AT THIS POINT.
THE INDIVIDUAL MPPS
THEIR TRANSITION FROM
PRIVATE LIFE TO BEING
MPP AND DEALING WITH THE
END OF CAMPAIGN AND
SETTING UP OFFICES BUT
THEY DON'T KNOW WHO
GOING TO BE IN CAB NIT
YET.
SO THAT IF YOU ARE
SOMEBODY WHO THINKS THEY
SHOULD -- EVERYBODY
THINKS -- SOMEBODY
THINKS CHANCE ARE HEIGHT
YOU WILL BE IN CABINET A
LITTLE BIT HIATUS.
BECAUSE, DON'T FORGET
OUR CASE THE ELECT WAS
SEPTEMBER 6TH.
WE WERE SWORN IN ON
OCTOBER FIRST.
AND I THINK IT WAS JUST
IT WAS LED THAN 36
HOURS.
BEFORE THE SWEARING IN.
AND THAT I WAS OFFICALLY
INFORM OF MY PORTFOLIO.
AND SO YOU ARE NOT IN A
POSITION TO BEGIN TO
THINK THROUGH AND THE
PEOPLE TPOLG PHONING YOU
THE LOCK BEIST DON'T
KNOW WHO DON'T PHONE QUITE YET.
THEY PHONE EVERYBODY.
AND BECAUSE THEY DON'T
KNOW WHO TO HONE IN ON.
SO IT IS INSTEADIBLE AND
EXCITING.
I CAN REMEMBER IT ALL
VERY CLEARLY.
AND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE
NEWLY THERE, IT IS
FINDING YOUR WAY AROUND
AND WHERE IS THE
WASHROOM AND WHERE THE
CAUCUS ROOM AND WHAT
KIND OF OFFICE AM I
GOING TO GET IN HIS
OFFICE WILL BE BIGGER
THAN MY OFFICE AND THOSE
KINDS OF THINGS AND THEY
ARE FOR POTENTIAL
CABINET MINISTERS A
REAL -- A NERVOUS
INTENTION.
UNTIL THEY DISCOVER
WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO
BE IN AND WHAT THEY ARE
GOING TO BE.

Steve says BLAIR LET ME
TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE
BACK BENCH SITUATION I
THINK THERE ARE ABOUT 39
NEW MPPS FOR THE
LIBERALS THIS TIME.
YOU ALWAYS GET -- WHEN
THERE IS BIG SWEEP YOU
GET A LOT OF THE NEW
PEOPLE.
YOU HAD IN 85.
THE ELECTION BEFORE.
AND RUTH IS RIGHT THEY
ALL WANT TO BE IN
CABINET.
AT LOVE THEM EXPECT TO
BE IN CABINET AND THEY
HAVE NO BUSINESS
EXPECTING TO BE IN
CABINET.
DO THEY PEOPLE REALIZE
AND AGAIN, BASED UPON
YOUR EXPERIENCE FROM
1995 THAT IN TWO WEEK'S
TIME WHEN DALTON
MCGUINTY SWEARS IN HIS
NEW CABINET THAT THREE FOURTHS OF
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
CHEERING HIM IN THAT
ROOM THE OTHER DAY WILL
BE BROKEN HEARTED?

Blair McCreadie's in his forties, clean-shaven with short gray hair. He's wearing a gray suit, striped tie and gray shirt. The caption changes to "Blair McCreadie. President, Ontario PC Party."

He says WELL, I MEAN,
OBVIOUSLY I THINK THAT'S
THE CASE.
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE
A CABINET OF 72 PEOPLE.
SO, OBVIOUSLY SOME
DECISIONS WILL HAVE TO
BE MADE.
I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO
BE VERY INTERESTING IS
THAT WHEN I WAS
TRAVELING AROUND THE
PROVINCE ALTHOUGH THE
LIBERALS CAMPAIGN VERY
SUCCESSFULLY ON CHOOSING
CHARGE, IT WAS AMAZING
TO ME TO SEE THE
DIFFERENT TYPES OF
CHANGE THAT WERE BEING
OFFERED BY VARIOUS LOCAL
CANDIDATES ACROSS THE
PROVINCE.
SO I THINK MR. DALTON
MCGUINTY.

Steve says WHAT DO YOU
MEAN?

Blair says WELL FOR EXAMPLE MR. KCNEELEY A LIBERAL MPP FOR
OTTAWA WAS CAMPAIGNING
HARD AGAINST THE PIG
FARM.
AND BRIDGE TO QUEBEC.
JIM WATSON WAS PUSHING
VERY HARD AGAINST
OFFICAL ANOTHER THE SEE
IF OF OTTAWA TO USE TWO
EXAMPLES.
SO, I THINK THAT THERE
ARE A NUMBER OF.

Ruth says IT WILL BE FUN CAUCUS.

Blair says I THINK IT WILL.
AND IT WILL BE A
CHALLENGE BECAUSE THERE
ARE 27 FOLKS WITH THEIR
OWN PET PROJECTS NOW.
THAT MR. DALTON MCGUINTY
WILL HAVE TO TRY AND
HELP.

Ruth says AND HE HAS SAID THAT ALL
BACK BENCHERS WILL HAVE
GREATER FREEDOM AND
EVERY MEMBER OF THE
LEGISLATURE WHETHER THEY
WERE IN HIS PARTY OR NOT
WILL HAVE GREATER
RESPECT.
SO, WE HAVE TO SEE HOW
THAT PLAYS OUT.

Steve says ONE OF THE THINGS MR. MCGUINTY DID
SAY.
HE SAID WE WILL NEVER
BE MORE CONNECTED TO THE
PEOPLE THAN WE ARE RIGHT
NOW.
AND YOU WERE AROUND I
GUESS IN 87 AND 78910
WHEN DAVID PETERSON CAME
IN ON A THE GRAND, GRAND
SCALE AND THEN THREE
YEARS LATER WENT OUT.
ONE ALLEGATION WAS HE
BECAME DISCONNECTED FROM
THE POPULATION.
WHO DO YOU STAY
CONNECTED?
WHEN SO MUCH IT IS DIS
CONNECTING FROM THE
PUBLIC.

Bob says WELL YOU GOT TO STAY
GROUNDED.
YOU HAVE TALK TO YOUR
LOCAL RIDING ASSOCIATION
AS SPEND SOMETIME IN
YOUR CONSTIGUENT.
SOME TIMES WHEN YOU GET
A POINTED TO CABINET OR
LOFTY POSITION YOU CAN
CAN GET OUT OF THE TOUCH
BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST SO
BUSY GOING FROM ONE
EVENT TO ANOTHER.
TO ANOTHER TO THIS
MEETING TO THAT
BRIEFING.
AND I THINK SOME TIMES
YOU HAVE TO SIT BACK AND
MAKE SURE WOULD BUILT IN
ENOUGH TIME YOU CAN
CONNECT WITH REAL
PEOPLE.
AND IF YOU DON'T DO THAT,
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE
PROBLEMS STKPHEUFPLT
THINK LESSON LEARNED
TOOK US 13 YEARS TO GET
BACK.
SO I THINK PEOPLE ARE
GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT
SMARTER ABOUT THIS TIME.

Steve says WE GOT ONE
MORE ISSUE THAT WE WANT
TO TALK ABOUT AND THAT
IS ABOUT RUTH'S
FAVOURITE PARTY.
THE RULES LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN ARE PRETTY
SIMPLE AND CLEAR.
IN ORDER TO BE OFFICALLY
RECOGNIZED PARTY IN
ONTARIO LEGISLATURE YOU
GOT TO WIN EIGHT SEATS,
PERIOD.
FULL STOCK.
THE PROBLEM FOR ONTARIO'S
NEW DEMOCRATIC THEY
WOULDN'T WON 7 SEATS
BEGINS FIRST GREAT DEBATE OF THE DALTON MCGUINTY ERA.
BEGIN AREA.
STICK TO THE RULES AND
TELL THE NDP CLOSE BUT
NO CIGAR OR BEND THE
RULES IN A DIS PLAY OF
STATEMANSHIP.
A MOMENT WE WILL LET
LEADER OF NDP MAKE HIS
CASE.
FIRST, SOME BACKGROUND.

Dalton says WHAT I AM TALKING
ABOUT ALL RIGHT IS
ABIDING BY RULES THAT WE
HAVE ALL AGREED TO PLAY
BY.

Steve narrates PREMIER DALTON
MCGUINTY SAYS HE
WOULDN'T GRANT OFFICAL
PARTY STATUS TO THE NDP.
THIS AFTER THE PARTY WON
ONLY SEVEN SEATS IN LAST
WEEK'S PROVENTIAL ELECT.
ALTHOUGH NDP LOST SEATS,
THEY WON 15 PERCENT OF THE
POPULAR VOTE AND THAT'S
UP FROM ABOUT 12.5 PERCENT IN
1999.
AND LEADER HOWARD
HAMPTON SAYS THAT
ENTITLED LES THE NDP TO
OFFICAL VOICE IN THE
LEGISLATURE.

Howard says 15 PERCENT THE PEOPLE IN THE
PROVINCE NOW HE WE WANT
THESE IDEAS PUT FORWARD.
AND DALTON MCGUINTY
WOULD BE SAYING, WELL
THAT'S ALL FINE AND GOOD
WHAT THE 15 PERCENT SAID THERE
WILL NOBODY RESOURCES TO
PUT THESE IDEAS AND TO
PUT THESE ARGUMENTS
FORWARD.
IN ONTARIO.

A photo of Howard appears on screen. Over top, a text appears with the title "Loss of Official Party Status." Below, a text reads "Lose 1 million dollar budget. Lose 20 staff members. Less time in question period."

Steve continues LOSING OFFICAL PARTY
STATUS MEANS THE NDP
WILL LIKELY LOSS ITS
LEGISLATURE BUDGET OF
MORE THAT BE MILLION
DOLLARS.
AND IT IS STAFF OF 20
RESEARCHERS.
COMMUNICATIONS EXPERTS
AND OUTREACH WORKERS.
THE NDP MAY ALSO HAVE
THEIR TIME IN QUESTION
PERIOD SIGNIFICANTLY
REDUCED.
A HUGE LOSS FOR HAMPTON.
BUT OUTGOING TORY CLEMENT
DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF
SYMPATHIES.

Tony Clement's in his late forties, clean-shaven with short brown hair. He wears glasses and a brown suit with a white shirt. The caption changes to "Tony Clement, outgoing MPP. PC Brampton West-Mississauga."

He says I WOULD THINK THAT IF
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
HAD EIGHT SEATS, OR
SEVEN SEATS, THEN, I AM
NOT SURE THE NDP WOULD
BE RALLYING TO OUR
CAUSE.
AND SO, I -- I JUST
THINK IF THESE ARE THE
RULES OF THIS BUILDING,
WHICH ARE SET BY THE
MEMBERS, THEN THOSE ARE
RULES OF THE BUILDING.

Steve continues DALTON MCGUINTY SAYS
WILLING TO MAKE SOME
CONCESSION.

Dalton says THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN
WHEN TO COMES TO THE NDP
IT IS NOT MATTER OF US
TO REDESIGN THE RULES.
AFTER EVERY SINGLE
ELECT.
HAVING SAID THAT, I
THINK THAT WE CAN CAN
FIND A WAY TO ENSURE
THAT NDP CAN CAN
PARTICIPATE FOR EXAMPLE
IN QUESTION PERIOD.

Steve continues DURING THE ELECTION
CAMPAIGN HE PROMISED TO
REVIEW ONTARIO ELECTION
SYSTEM AND LOOK AT
ALTERNATIVES TO WHAT HE
CALLED ONTARIO GOES
WINNER TAKE ALL VOTING
SYSTEM.
HAMPTON SAYS DALTON
MCGUINTY SHOULD PUT HIS
MONEY WHERE HIS MOUTH
IS.

Howard says YOU CAN'T SAY BEFORE
THE ELECTION, THAT THERE
ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE
RULES.
THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS
WITH THE DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS.
AND THAT DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS NEEDS TO BE
CHANGED IN A PROGRESSIVE
WAY TO MAKE THE
DEMOCRACY BROADER AND
MORE REPRESENTATIVE.
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT
BEFORE THE ELECTION.
AND THEN AFTER THE
ELECTION SAY, WELL THE
RULES ARE THE RULES.
THERE IS HUGE
CONTRADICTION THERE.

Back in the studio, Steve says OKAY LET'S SEE HOW
ONTARIO STACKS WITH
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND
OTHER PROVINCE.
AND FOR THAT WE LOOK
INSIDE OF OUT FACT FILE
HERE INVOLVEMENT NUMBERS
IN SASKATCHEWAN YOU
YOUTH NEED 3 PERCENT SEATS IN
LEGISLATURE TO BE
OFFICAL PARTY.
IN HOUSE OF COMMONS, IN
OTTAWA 4 PERCENT.
AND ALBERTA, 4 THE PERCENT.
NOVA SCOTIA 4 PERCENT.
BRITISH COLUMBIA 5 PERCENT.
LET'S KEEP GOING.
NEWFOUNDLAND 6 PERCENT.
MANITOBA, 7 PERCENT.
AND ONTARIO ONE OF THE
HIGHER THRESHOLDS IN
COUNTRY YOU NEED 8 PERCENT
SEATS.
AND QUEBEC IS HIGHEST IN
COUNTRY AT 10 PERCENT. AND HOW
ABOUT IN NEW
BRUNSWICK -- IN PRINCE
EDWARD ISLAND IT IS
ACTUALLY UP TO SPEAKER.
ACTUAL OKAY IT IS
ALWAYS PARTY WHEN LEADER
OF NDP JOINS US HERE IN
STUDIO ABOUT WHETHER
OFFICAL PARTY ACCORDING
TO RAOUFLTS ONTARIO
LEGISLATURE IS DIFFERENT
STORY.
HERE SAY HOW HOW WHO WON
HIS FIFTH ELECTION LAST
WEEK.
LEADER ONTARIO NDP FIRST
OF ALL CONGRATULATIONS
ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL
REELECTION AND NICE TO HAVE
YOU BACK.
MAKE CASE MR. HAMPTON
YOU ARE ONE SEAT SHORT
WHY DO YOU DESERVE A
OFFICAL PARTY STATUS?

The caption changes to "Howard Hampton. Ontario NDP Leader."

He says WELL, PART OF THIS IS IT
REALLY ATTEMPT FOR
DALTON MCGUINTY.
AND I JUST -- ACTUALLY,
TOOK SOME WHAT HE PUT
FORWARD IN ELECTION HE
SAID CHOOSE CHANGE AND
WE WILL MAKE POLITICAL
PROCESS IN ONTARIO MORE
INCLUSIVE.
THE RULES OF THE ONTARIO
LEGISLATURE SHOULD HELP
YOUR ELECTED MPPS
REPRESENT YOU NOT MAKE
EASIER TO THE PREMIER
AND HIS UNELECTED SPIN
DOCTORS SHUT YOU OUT.
WE WILL BRING A TEAM OF
APPROACH TO GOVERNING
AND WITH RESPECT AND
DREW ON TALENTS AND
EXPERTISE OF EVERY
ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE
INCLUDING OPPOSITION
MEMBERS AND ANY REFERS
TO THE NEED TO MOVE
TOWARDS REPRESENTATION.
SKPFPL MORE
REPRESENTATIVE
DEMOCRACY.

Steve says WE WILL TALK
MORE ABOUT THAT.
YOU ALSO SAID ON
ELECTION NIGHT WE DON'T
HAVE OFFICAL PARTY
STATUS BUT THAT HAS
NEVER STOPPED OUR PARTY
FROM GETTING OUR POINT
ACROSS.
IF THAT'S THE CASE WHY
DO YOU NEED IT?

Howard says THE -- WELL, PART OF
THIS IS THE BIGGER TEST.
REPORT ALL RIGHT YOU
CAN'T SAY BEFORE THE
ELECTION CHOOSE CHANGE.

Steve says AND -- YOU KEEP TALKING
ABOUT HIM.
I AM ASKING ABOUT YOU.
WHY DIDN'T YOU GET YOUR
MESSAGE ACROSS UNLESS
YOU HAVE THIS OFFICAL
PARTY STATUS.

Howard says YOU CAN -- YOU CAN
CAN CAN GET A MESSAGE
ACROSS.
BUT PART OR BEING
EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION IS
HAVING THE RESEARCH TEAM,
AND HAVING THE OUTREACH
TIME SO THAT YOU
ACTUALLY GET THE
INFORMATION YOU CAN
DISSECT IT.
AND YOU CAN CAN PRESENT
EFFECTIVE GUESS IF YOU
DON'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY
WITH YOU, YOUR JOB JUST
THAT MUCH TOUGHER.

Steve says NOW ADMITTEDLY PUT
NUMBERS UP THERE AND
THEY DID SHOW FAIRLY
HIGH THRESHOLD FOR THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.
COMPARED TO OTHERS.
HOWEVER HAVING SAID THAT
EVERYBODY KNEW RULES
GOING IN.
AND HAVEN'T PEOPLE
SPOKEN?
HAVEN'T THEY SAID, WE
DON'T NECESSARILY WANT
THESE NDP TO BE IN
OFFICAL PARTY BECAUSE IF
WE DID WE COULD HAVE
GIVEN YOU MORE SEATS?

Howard says MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR
NEW DEMOCRATS.

Steve says BUT NOT MORE
SEATS.

Howard says BUT THAT'S THE
BIZARRE NATURE OF OUR
SYSTEM.
THAT'S THE BIZARRE
NATURE -- THAT'S HOW YOU
CAN SIMILAR EXAMPLE
THAT'S HOW ONE CANDIDATE
GET MORE PRESIDENTIAL
VOTES THAN THE OTHER BUT
HE LOSSES.
RIGHT.
AND I AM SIMPLY SAYING I
THINK THIS IS COMMON
EXPERIENCE PEOPLE ARE
FED UP WITH THAT PEOPLE
ARE FED UP WITH SEEING
SITUATIONS WHERE IN IN
ELECTION 25 PERCENT OF THE
ELIGIBLE VOTERS VOTED
FOR THE LIBERALS.
SO THAT 25 PERCENT OF THE
ELIGIBLE VOTERS FOR
VOTED LIBERALS THEY GET
OVERWHELMING MAJORITY.
9 PERCENT OF THE ELIGIBLE
VOTERS VOTERED FOR NEW
DEMOCRATICS ARE TOLD
THAT DOES NOT COUNT.

Steve says BOB I WANT TO BRING
YOU IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE
PRIVY BACK ROOM
DISCUSSION ABOUT ALL OF
THIS.
I HOPE SO.
COULD YOU TELL US
WHETHER WOULD YOU ADVICE
MR. DALTON MCGUINTY TO
GIVE HIM OFFICAL PARTY
STATUS?

Bob says WELL MY VIEW THINK IT
IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE
TO HAVE TIME IN
LEGISLATURE TO SPEAK AND
I THINK WE OUGHT TO
LOOSEN THE RULES THERE
FOR ALL MEMBERS FOR BACK
BENCHERS IN GOVERNMENT
FOR THE NEW DEMOCRATIC
PARTY.
IF THERE WERE
INDEPENDENTS I THINK IT
IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE
THAT AS A IMPORTANT
FORUM.
BUT THE ANSWER WHEN IT
COMES TO FUNDING IF I
WAS ASKED FOR MY ADVICE
WOULD BE NO.
WE A SET OF RULES HERE
IN THE IT IS EIGHT
SEATS.
QUITE FRANKLY THE NDP
KEEP ASKING US TO LOWER
THE BAR IN FROM LAST
ELECTION TO THIS
ELECTION YOU ARE
BECOMING LIMBO DANCERS
OF ONTARIO POLITICS.
I THINK ENOUGH IS
ENOUGH.
IT HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR
THAT YOU KNOW ENOUGH IS
ENOUGH.

Steve says LET'S REMIND
EVERYBODY -- HANG ON.
WE GOT TO REMIND
EVERYBODY THE RULES WERE
CHANGED ONCE BEFORE
BECAUSE THE TOTAL NUMBER
MPS WAS LOWERED FROM 130
TOP 103.
THAT WAS LEGITIMATE.

Ruth says YOU CALL THAT LIMBO
DANCING VERY UNFAIR.
YOU MAY BE THERE
YOURSELF ONCE.

Howard says HOW CAN WHY GUYS SAY
ONE THING BEFORE THE
ELECTION, AND HOW CAN
YOU YOU SAY CHOOSE
CHANGE AND NOW YOU SAY
PEOPLE RULES THE RULES.

Bob says PEOPLE CHOOSE
CHANGES.
IN 896 OF 103 RIDINGS THEY SAID
NO NEW DEMOCRATIC YOU
GOT SEVEN SEATS.
I THOUGHT YOU RAN VERY
GOOD CAMPAIGN AND YOU
PROBABLY DESERVE MORE BUT
THAT'S WHAT VOTERS SAID
AND THE RULES ARE IN
PLACE.
WE SEEM TO BE BENDING
RULES FOR NEW DEMOCRATIC
PARTY.

Bob says ARE YOU BACKING AWAY
FROM WHAT YOU SAID IN
THE ELECT.
I THINK WE SHOULD STICK
EXACTLY ON PROMISE AND
THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND
TO.

Howard says WHAT I HEAR
WHAT I SEE, IS PEOPLE
SAYING CHOOSE CHANGE AND
WE WANT TO NOR
DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE
AND WE WANT THE TALK
ABOUT PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION NOW AFTER
THE ELECTION, YOU ARE
SAYING, NO.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT
CHANGE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
THOSE WERE THE RULES
THEN. THOSE ARE RULES
NOW.

Bob says WELL THE OTHER THING
WE OUGHT TO DO HOOK UP
THE METER.
BECAUSE, WHEN YOU GOT
37 PERCENT OF THE VOTE, YOU GOT
57 PERCENT SEATS IN THE ONTARIO
LEGISLATURE.
BOTH OF YOU WERE HEFPLS
THAT GOVERNMENT.
BOTH OF YOU SAT ON THAT
CABINET AND HERE IN ONE
OF YOU WHISPERED THE
WORLD PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION FOR THAT
ENTIRE POINT.

Steve says LET ME BRING IN
BLAIR.
YOU ARE OF COURSE
NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY
OBSERVER IN WITH NO
INTEREST WHATSOEVER.
DO YOU THINK DALTON
MCGUINTY WILL LOOK HARSH
IF IN THIS FIRST BIG
TEST I THINK YOU CAN
SAY OF HIS LEADERSHIP HE
DOES NOT GIVE OFFICAL
PARTY STATUS TO THE NDP?

Blair says WELL I MEAN I
ACTUALLY THINK IT IS
QUITE INTERESTING.
BECAUSE WHAT WE SAW
MR. DALTON MCGUINTY DO
STEVE FOR 30 DAYS DURING
THE CAMPAIGN WAS TALK
ABOUT THE BEING
INCLUSIVE AND GETTING
PEOPLE INVOLVED AND I
FOUND IT VERY
INTERESTING THAT FIRST
ACT HE WOULD MAKE AS
PREMIER DEST THAT THE IS
DENIED NDP PARTY STATUS.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S
ONE OF THE VERY
INTERESTING OF THINGS.

Steve says IS HE DENYING
OR THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO
DENY THEM?

Blair says I THINK HE HAS THE
POWER OBVIOUSLY AS
INCOMING PREMIER IF HE
WANTS TO GRANT THE NDP
PARTY STATUS.
I HOPE HE WILL
RECONSIDER THAT.
I OBVIOUSLY MR. HAMPTON
AND I DON'T AGREE ON
MANY ISSUES BUT I
CERTAINLY DO THINK AND
IS HIS PARTY HAVE
IMPORTANT ROLE AND
IMPORTANT VOICE IN
THE LEGISLATURE AND I HOPE
THAT WILL BE RECOGNIZED.

Steve says LET ME ASK YOU
THIS.
WHY IS NDP ENTITLED TO?
IT DIDN'T EVEN WIN
VERY MANY VOTES.

Ruth says I THINK WE ARE ALL
MAKE BIG DEAL OF THE
PHRASE OFFICAL PARTY
STATUS.
AND THAT NUMBER.
IT WAS FAIRLY ARBITRARY
NUMBER.
AND IT IS A HIGHER
THRESHOLD THAN IN OTHER
PROVINCES AND I KNOW
WHEN OUR FORMER FEDERAL
LEADER WAS THE ONLY NDP
MEMBER IN THE NOVA
SCOTIA LEGISLATURE, SHE
HAD SUPPORT STAFF AND
SHE HAD A RIGHT TO ASK
QUESTIONS.
THE SIMILARLY ARE OUR
LEADER IN NEW BRUNSWICK.
WHERE AS LEADER
IN BRITISH COLUMBIA WITH
ONLY TWO NEW DEMOCRATICS
AS THE ONLY OP SILLS IN
THE LEGISLATURE, HAS
REFUSED TO GIVE THEM ANY
STATUS AT ALL.
BUT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY
WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, IS
DEMOCRACY ABOUT HELPING
THE OPPOSITION HAVE A
VOICE.
AND MAKE THEIR POINT AND
HOLD THE GOVERNMENT
ACCOUNTABLE.
OR IS IT WINNER TAKES
ALL AND SORRY YOU DIDN'T
MAKE THRESHOLD THEREFORE,
YOU WILL BE ADDITIONALLY
HANDICAPED BECAUSE YOU
WOULDN'T HAVE THE
ABILITY TO DO THE WORK
THAT ENABLES YOU TO HOLE
US ACCOUNTABLE.

Steve says LET ME PUT THIS TO
HOWARD.
THERE IS ANOTHER ONE
HERE.
IT IS NOT IN LIBERAL
INTEREST TO MAKE YOU
OFFICAL PARTY BECAUSE,
YOU -- YOU KNOW, YOU
TAKE VOTES THAT MIGHT
NORMALLY GO TO THEM.
IT IS IN CONSERVATIVE
INTEREST HAVE YOU BE
OFFICAL PARTY; BECAUSE
YOU HELP TWO OPPOSITION
PARTIES TO CONSERVATIVES
AND POTENTIALLY TAKE
VOTES AWAY FROM ENEMIES.
ISN'T THAT PART OF IT?
CAN WE BLUNT ABOUT THAT?

Howard says THERE ARE ALL KIND OF
WAYS OF COMING AT THIS
BUT AT THE END OF DAY
WHAT I THINK IT IS ABOUT
IS THAT 15 PERCENT OF THE
PEOPLE IN ONTARIO -- 15 PERCENT
OF VOTERS WHO TURNED OUT
VOTED NEW DEMOCRATIC.
AND IF YOU BELIEVE AS
MR. DALTON MCGUINTY SAYS
THAT HE WANTS TO MOVE TO
MORE REPRESENTATIVE
SYSTEM, AND MORE -- HE
WANTS TO LOOK
PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION IT SEEMS
ONE OF FIRST THINGS YOU
NEED TO DO SAY HEY THESE
PEOPLE GOT 15 PERCENT VOTE THEY
ARE AN IMPORTANT VOICE.
THEY HAVE YOU KNOW
IMPORTANT PART OF THE
ONTARIO POLITIC.
AND TO SIMPLY SAY WE
WILL HAVE TO SHUT THEM
OUT, JUST -- IT FLIES IN
THE FACE OF EVERYTHING
MR. DALTON MCGUINTY
CAMPAIGNED ON.

Steve says HAVING SAID THAT HE
WOULD DELIGHTFUL GRAPHIC
EXACTLY THE POINT YOU
ARE TRYING TO MAKE.
IF I COULD ENCOURAGE
COULD BRING UP THIS
FOLLOWING GRAPHIC I CAN
AND SHOW YOU HOW OCTOBER
SECOND WENT.
WITH OUR FIRST PAST THE
POST SYSTEM AND HOW IT
GO OR MIGHT HAVE
GONE IF WE HAD
PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION.

A graphic appears on screen under the title "First Past the Post." It shows two columns, one titled "Total Vote" and the other titled "Percent of Seats." The numbers under total vote are 47, 31 and 15. The numbers under percent of seats are 70, 23 and 6.8.

Steve continues OKAY.
LET'S BRING DOWN THE
FIRST ONE.
WE WILL SHOW YOU TOTAL
VOTE.
THE LIBERALS GOT 47 PERCENT OF
VOTE TALL VOTES THAT
ENTITLED THEM IN OUR
FIRST PAST THE POST
SYSTEM TO 70 PERCENT OF THE
SEATS.
LET'S LOOK AT THE TORY
NUMBERS THEY GOT 31 PERCENT.
ONLY 23 PERCENT OF THE SEATS.
LOOK AT THE NDP, THEY
GOT 15 PERCENT AS MR. HAMPTON
SAID AND ONLY 6.8 PERCENT OF
THE SEATS.
OBVIOUSLY WE ARE ASSIST
TIM THAT PUN INCHES IF
YOU COME SECOND OR THIRD
AND REWARDS YOU AND
CREATES STRONG MAJORITY
GOVERNMENTS IF YOU COME
FIRST.

A graphic appears on screen under the title "Proportional Representation." It shows two columns, one with the title "Total Vote" and the other with the title "Number of Seats." The numbers under total vote are 47, 31 and 15. The numbers under number of seats are 48, 32 and 15.

Steve continues IF PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION WERE
BROUGHT IN AND
MR. DALTON MCGUINTY HAS
COMMITTED TO STUDYING
THIS KIND OF SYSTEM.
LET'S LOOK HOW THE
RESULTS MIGHT HAVE
CHANGED.
WITH A 103 SEATS IN
LEGISLATURE YOU GET 47 PERCENT
OF THE VOTES AND 48
SEATS.
AND IF YOU HAVE GOT 31 PERCENT
VOTES TORIES DID THEY
WOULD HAVE GOT 32 SEATS
THAT'S MORE.
AND IF YOU GOT 15 PERCENT VOTES
AS NDP DID THEY WOULD
HAVE GOTTEN 15 SEATS.
WHICH IS MORE THAN TWICE
AS MANY.
NOW MY QUESTION FOR YOU
IS WHY O WOULD ON TAR
GROW BE BETTER SEVERED
UNDER THAT SECOND SET OF
NUMBERS THAN THE FIRST
SET NUMBERS?

Howard says BECAUSE, YOU WOULD
NOT HAVE SORT OF THE
WIDE -- THE WILD
SWAYS IN GOVERNMENT.
YOU WOULD -- WOULD YOU
ELECT FEWER MAJORITY
GOVERNMENTS.
BUT YOU WOULD ELECT MORE
GOVERNMENTS WHERE YOU
HAVE TO LINES TO THE
PEOPLE.
AND I -- AND PART OF
YOUR SEGMENT TONIGHT WAS
NOT LOSING TOUCH WITH
THE PEOPLE.
STAYING IN TOUCH WITH
THE PEOPLE.
MINORITY GOVERNMENTS OR
NEAR MINORITY
GOVERNMENTS FORCE
GOVERNMENTS TO STAY IN
TOUCH WITH PEOPLE.
SO YOU CAN'T BEHAVE AS
TEMPORARY DICTATORSHIP
AND SAY WE WON
THE ELECTION NOTHING
ELSE MATTERS.
WE GET TO DO EVERYTHING.
AND THE REST OF THE YOU
JUST GO AWAY.

Steve says IS THAT WHAT THE RAY
GOVERNMENT WAS?

Howard says I
FELT WE SPENT TOO MUCH
TIME CONSULTING.
IS THAT WAS MY VIEW.
WE CONSULTED TO DEATH
SOME TIMES.

Steve says ONE THING THIS
SYSTEM DOES CREATE
STRONG MAJORITY
GOVERNMENTS IN.

Ruth says IT IS TS VERY MUCH
OUT OF THE DAY THE DATE
IN YOU LOOK AT EUROPE
WHERE THIS
REPRESENTATION SYSTEM IS
BEING IN PLACE FOR LONG
TIME YOU HAVE VERY
STABLE GOVERNMENTS THEY
MAY NOT BE MAJORITY.
BUT THE HUGE DRAMATIC
SHIFTS FROM YOU KNOW
MIKE HARRIS COMMON SENSE
REVOLUTION FOLLOWING THE
NDP, AND NOW, A SHIFT
BACK.
DON'T HAPPEN AND I THINK
ARE BETTER FOR THE
POPULATION.

Bob says THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE
SHOULD STUDY IT AND
THAT'S WHY OUR LEADERS
HAVE SAID IN ELECTION
AND I THINK THAT'S
ABSOLUTELY FAIR.
BUT, WE HELD ELECTION,
WE HELD ELECTION UNDER
CERTAIN SET RULES.
EVERYBODY KNEW THE RULES
GOING.
AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THEM
COMING OUT.
AND THEY WERE CERTAIN
RULES THE ESTABLISHED.
AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO
FOLLOW THE RULES THAT WE
ESTABLISHED FOR THIS
ELECTION.

Howard says THAT SOUNDS LIKE SAME
OLD TO ME.

Bob says WE WILL MOVE FORWARD
ON THAT'S DALTON
MCGUINTY SAID HE WOULD
MOVE FORWARD ON WE
SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT
MADE THE CUT ON THE
RULES THAT YOU KNEW FULL
WELL GOING INTO THE
ELECTION EXISTED.
I MEAN I THINK THIS ONLY
SO MUCH BENDING YOU CAN
DO FOR THE NDP.

Steve says CAN YOU GIVE
US SOUFP SOME SENSE
ABOUT HOW DALTON
MCGUINTY WILL PROCEED ON
THIS?
COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS
SOME CITIZENS FORUM WILL
HE HAVE REFERENDUM OR
WHAT'S MIGHT HAPPEN?

Bob says I THINK IN FAIRNESS TO
THE GOVERNMENT ELECT I
THINK THEY ARE SORT OF
FIGURING OUT WHERE
WASHROOMS WITH AND DOING
ALL OF THE STUFF WHEN
ONE DOES WHEN THEY ARE
IN TRANSITION PERIOD.
I DON'T THINK IT IS ALL
DOWN.
I THINK IT IS VERY
CLEAR.
ONE FIRST ANNOUCEMENTS
HE MADE AS LEADER OF THE
PARTY.
HE MADE CLEAR THAT HE
THOUGHT THERE NEEDED TO
BE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO
THE ELECTION SYSTEM.
I THINK IT IS PERSONAL
COMMITMENT OF HIS.

Blair says I THINK ANY PARTY IN
ANY ELECTION THAT DOES
NOT WIN AS MANY SEATS AS
THEY OTHERWISE THOUGHT
THEY SHOULD HAVE, STARTS
TALKING ABOUT
PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION.
I THINK THAT'S THE CASE.
YOU KNOW TO BE FAIR
IN 93, WHEN THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY
NATIONALLY GOT WHATEVER
IT WAS 17 OR 18 PERCENT AND TWO
SEATS.
LOT OF CONSERVATIVES
SAID THE SAME THING.

Ruth says THAT SHOWS THE FOLLY OF OUR
SYSTEM.

Blair says I DON'T LIKE
PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION.
I THINK THIS IS WRONG
HEADED TO PROCEED IN
THIS DIRECTION FOR A
NUMBER OF REASONS.
FIRST, I THINK THERE
ACTUALLY SOME THING
IMPORTANT ABOUT HAVING A
COMMUNITY ELECT THEIR
OWN INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS.
SOMEONE WHO THOSE
CONSTIGUENTS CAN CALL ON
AND HOLD ACCOUNTABILITY.
SECOND, I THINK IT
UNDERMINES THE
IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A
INDEPENDENT MEMBER WHEN
THAT PERSON BECOMES THE
LOYAL TO PARTY AS
OPPOSED TO THE THEIR
COMMUNITY.
THIRD, AND I SAY THIS IN
MY PUTTING ON MY PARTY
MESS HAT I THINK IT IS
ALSO DISCOURAGE PARTIES
FROM GOING THROUGH AND
DOING IMPORTANT GRASS
ROOTS POLITICAL WORK.
INSTEAD PEOPLE FOCUS ON
MAXIMIZING VOTES.
IN NARROW CONSTIGUENT
AND NOT GOING OUT THERE
TO MAKE SURE THAT IN 103
RIDINGS YOU HAVE
CANDIDATE AND A TEAM AND
MESSAGE AND GO THROUGH
AND DELIVER THAT ON
DOORSTEPS.

Howard says THAT'S NOT EXPERIENCE
EVERYWHERE -- NORTHERN
EUROPE AND -- I MEAN
EVEN GREAT BRITAIN THE
OLDEST FIRST PAST THE
POST DEMOCRACY.
IF YOU LOOK HOW THEY ARE
ELECTED, PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION.
AND HOW THEY ARE
ELECTING REPRESENTATIVES
TO EUROPEAN UN A ON.
IT IS BY BY PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION.
AND THE REALITY IS YOU
START GIVING PEOPLE SOME
THING TO VOTE FOR, SO
EVERY VOTE COUNTS EVEN
IF YOU ARE PART MINORITY
YOU KNOW THAT YOUR VOTE
COUNTS.
BECAUSE, ACTUALLY ARE
VOTING FOR SOMETHING AT
THE END OF DAY IT WILL
FACTOR.
IN OUR SYSTEM THAT WE
HAVE NOW, PART OF REASON
WE 50 PERCENT VOTER TURN OUTS
AND 55 PERCENT VOTE TURN OUTS
PEOPLE ARE SAYING CAN I
GO VOTE, BUT, UNLESS I
FORM PART OF THE BIG
MAJORITY SORT OF THING
HERE, MY VOTE GETS
DISMISSED.

Steve says COULD YOU TALK
TO US ABOUT -- YOU HAVE
SINCE 1987 YOU HAVE
REPRESENTED THE PEOPLE
IN NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO
AND I GUESS PRETTY WELL
BECAUSE THEY HAVE ASKED
YOU FOUR TIMES BACK.
IF WE HAVE HE H
PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION.
AND EACH PARTY GOT AS
MANY SEATS IS IT WAS
ENTITLED TO.
BY THE PERCENTAGE OF
VOTES THAT IT GOT, YOU
WOULD NOT IN ESSENCE BE
THE NPP FOR HE CAN
ANOTHER YES ANYMORE AND
THOSE PEOPLE WOULD NOT
HAVE THE -- WHY WOULD YOU BE?

Ruth says IT DEPENDs ON MODEL OF
ROW PORTIONNAL
REPRESENTATION.

Howard says THE WAY THIS WORK IN --
A NUMBER NORTHERN
EUROPEAN COUNTRIES YOU
HAVE YOUR CONSTIGUENT
MEMBERS OF THE
LEGISLATURE.
AND BUT THEN, IN THE
BALANCING TO MAKE SURE
THAT AT THE END OF THE
DAY IF YOU GOT 30 PERCENT VOTES
YOU GET 30 PERCENT SEATS AND 45
P. VOTES YOU GET 45 PERCENT
SEATS.
YOU WOULD HAVE A -- EACH
PARTY WOULD PUT FORWARD
HRAEUFPT PEOPLE WHO
WOULD BE ELECTED
ACCORDING TO THE
PROPORTION.
AND EACH PARTY WOULD
PROBABLY PUT FORWARD ON
THAT PROPORTIONAL LIST
PEOPLE WHO THEY KNEW
WERE VERY POPULAR THAT
WHO WOULD SORT OF BE
LEADING LIGHTS OF THAT
POLITICAL PARTY.
OH, I WOULD STILL BE THE
MPP FOR KENORA RAINY
RIVER AND MY WIFE WOULD
STILL BE THE MPP FOR NICKLE BELT.
BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE,
NEW DEMOCRATS
WOULD HAVE 6 OR 7 PEOPLE
WHO WOULD ADD TO
REPRESENT THE POPULAR
VOTE AND CONSERVATIVE
WOULD HAVE AM TEN I
THINK ABOUT TEN WHO
WOULD BE ADDED THEIR
SEATS TO AGAIN REPRESENT
THEIR POPULAR VOTE.

Steve says DO YOU THINK
WILL YOU GET OFFICAL
PARTY STATUS?

Howard says HARD TO SAY.
BUT I AM MORE INTERESTED
IN POINTING OUT THAT
GOVERNMENT THE PREMIER
ELECT WHO SAID BEFORE
ELECTION HEY WE NEED TO
BROADEN DEMOCRACY AND
MOVE TOWARDS
PROPORTIONAL
REPRESENTATION, WE NEED
TO ENSURE THAT EVERYBODY
IS LISTEN CAN'T SAY NOW
IT IS OLD RULES.
OLD RUSE.

Steve says THAT'S HOWARD
HAMPTON LEADER OF THE
NDP.
THANK YOU FOR VISITING
US AND EGG SHARING YOUR
VIEWS.
AND BOB AND RUTH AND
BLAIR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR
PARTICIPATION.
STEVE PAIKIN UNTIL NEXT
SUNDAY.
THANK YOU.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Erica Balch.

Director, Michael Smith.

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Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Erica Balch.

Director, Michael Smith.

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