Transcript: Election Campaign Week 2 | Sep 14, 2003

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS WEEK ON "4TH READING."

Dalton McGuinty appears on screen in a press conference interview. McGuinty is in his forties, has short, side-parted, dark brown hair, is clean-shaven, and wears a black suit, white shirt, and red tie.

McGuinty says WE'LL MOVE AHEAD IN A
RESPONSIBLE, AFFORDABLE WAY.

Steve says PROMISE MADE AND
PROMISES DELAYED.
DALTON MCGUINTY BRINGS DOWN HIS
GOVERNMENT'S FIRST SPEECH FROM
THE THRONE.
Now, Steve, Dave, Janet, and Sean sit around a table in the shape of a number 4. A logo on screen reads "4th reading."

GOOD SUNDAY AFTERNOON,
EVERYBODY.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN MUCH THIS IS
"4TH READING" FOR THIS WEEK.
THE FIRST SESSION OF THE 38TH
PARLIAMENT OF ONTARIO AND THE
FIRST UNDER LIBERAL LEADER
DALTON MCGUINTY OPENED UP THIS
WEEK.
LIBERAL WARNED ONTARIO VOTERS,
DESPITE A RAFT OF ELECTION
PROMISES, THEY'LL HAVE TO TAKE
A LITTLE WATER WITH THEIR WINE.
A 5 POINT 6 BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT THEY SAY
HAS FORCED THEM TO PUT OFF KEY
PROMISE, SUCH AS HIRING 8,000
NURSES, AND CAPPING CLASS SIZES
AT 20 STUDENT FROM JK TO GRADE
3.
BUT COMMITMENTS TO GET RID OF
TEACHER TESTING, FREEZE
UNIVERSITY TUITION FEES FOR TWO
YEARS, AND HIKING THE MINIMUM
WAGE, THEY WILL GO AHEAD.

Now a clip of Queen’s Park appears on screen with James Bartleman reading in front of the parliament. James is in his fifties, has short white hair, wears glasses, is clean-shaven, and wears a black suit, white shirt, and striped tie. A caption reads "James Bartleman, Lieutenant Governor of Ontario."

Bartleman says A GOVERNMENT ELECTED TO
IMPROVE HEALTH CARE AND
EDUCATION WOULD BE NEGLIGENT IF
IT DISCOVERED A LARGE, A
DEFICIT LARGE ENOUGH TO
THREATEN THE HOSPITALS AND
SCHOOLS WE HAVE NOW.
AND CHOSE TO IGNORE IT.
YOUR NEW GOVERNMENT CHOOSES TO
TACKEL THIS PROBLEM FOR THE
RIGHT REASONS.
NOT SO IT CAN HAND OUT TAX CUTS
TO A FEW, BUT SO THAT IT CAN
PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL.

Now, in an interview, Annie Kidder appears on screen with a caption that reads "Annie Kidder, People for Education." Annie is in her forties, has shoulder-length, side-parted hair, and wears glasses.

Annie says WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT
UNTIL WE DEAL WITH THE DEFICIT,
WE WILL NOT HAVE A FOUNDATION
ON WHICH TO BUILD.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT-- THAT FOR
KIDS, THIS IS CHILDREN WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT, NOT ANYTHING
ELSE, THAT FOR CHILDREN, THEY
CANNOT WAIT.
THEY CAN'T WAIT WHILE THE
FOUNDATION IS KIND OF SHORED
UP.

Now, Frances Lankin appears on screen with a caption that reads "Frances Lankin, The United Way." Lankin is in her forties, and has shoulder-length, straight black hair.

Lankin says THERE ARE WORDS ABOUT--
WORRIES ABOUT HOUSING.
THERE ARE WORDS ABOUT A NEW
DEAL FOR THE CITY.
THERE ARE WORDS ABOUT STRONGER
COMMUNITY.
THIS IS ONLY A THRONE SPEECH.
BUDGET AND OTHER COMMITMENTS
AND LEGISLATION WILL COME.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT THE TONE IS
ONE THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTRE,
THE COMMUNITY SECTOR WILL FEEL,
UM, STARTS TO COMMIT SOME
PROMISE FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

Now Ken Boschcoff appears on screen with a caption that reads "Ken Boschcoff, Ontario Association of Municipalities." Boschcoff is in his fifties, has short, side-parted, straight, dark gray hair, is clean-shaven, and wears a black suit, white shirt, and patterned tie."

Boschcoff says THE MENTION OF THE NORTH IN
SUCH NUMEROUS WAYS, UM, BOTH
GUARANTEEING THE NUMBER OF
SEATS, THE NORTHERN COUNCILS,
ADDRESSING THE OUT MIGRATION
QUESTION, THE NEW DEAL FOR
MUNICIPALITIES, HELPING US, ARE
VERY SIGNIFICANT AND, UM, AND
ATTITUDE, UNDERSTANDINGS, UM,
THE FACT THAT OUR MESSAGE HAS
BEEN GETTING THROUGH.
SO FOR NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO,
NORTHEASTERN ONTARIO, UM, WE'RE
VERY PLEASED TO HAVE THAT
RECOGNITION.

Back in the studio, Steve says OKAY.
JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED SOME OF
THE DETAILS, LET'S TAKE A LOOK
INSIDE OUR FACT FILE FOR MORE OF
WHAT THE LIBERALS HAVE IN STORE
FOR US:

A quote appears on screen with a title that reads "Throne Speech 2003." Below, Steve reads the bullets that appear on screen. The bullets read "higher tobacco taxes, cancel private school, seniors and corporate tax cuts."

The slate changes and reads "Education, freeze tuition for 2 years, anti-bullying programs."

The changes and reads "Environment, greenbelt for the GTA, ban untreated sludge."

Steve says JOINING US NOW FROM
THE ONTARIO LEGISLATURE IS THE
24TH PREMIER OF THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO.
THERE'S DALTON MCGUINTY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US
TONIGHT.

On a split screen, Dalton McGuinty appears on screen.

Dalton says PLEASURE.

Steve says LET ME ASK YOU FIRST
OF ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU BELIEVE
TO BE THE OVER ARCHING THEME OF
THE THRONE SPEECH.

Dalton says I WANTED THE TO PUT ONLY ARE
ON NOTICE IN THE THRONE SPEECH
OF A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, WE HAVE A SHARED
CHALLENGE.
A 5 POINT 6 BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT, AND
WITH WE DON'T TACK THAT WILL IN
A FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE WAY, IT'S
NOT ONLY GOING TO COMPROMISE
OUR ABILITY TO DELIVER ON OUR
COMMITMENTS, IT'S GOING TO
COMPROMISE ON EXISTING, UM,
PUBLIC SERVICES.

Steve says YOU FIND IT IRONIC
THAT YOU YOU CAME TO OFFICE
PLEDGE TO GO FIX UP EDUCATION
AND HEALTH, AND INSTEAD, YOU
KNOW, AUFERT NEWS IS, IN FACT,
DOMINATED BY THIS OWE
PROCESSSIVE SORT OF DAMACLESE
OVER OUR HEAD.

Dalton says YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EXACTLY
THE JOB IT HAS BEEN WE SIGNED
UP FOR.
BUT IT'S THE JOB THAT WE'VE
BEEN GIVEN.
WE COULD DEVOTE A LOT OF TIME
AND ENERGY TO BLAMING OUR
PREDECESSORS, THE TORIES.
BUT FRANKLY WHAT THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO WANT US TO DO IS ROLL
UP THE SLEEVES AND GET THE JOB
DONE.
WE'LL DO THAT.

Steve says UNDERSTOOD.
HOWEVER, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT
THERE WERE NUMEROUS RRXFLS IN
THE THRONE SPEECH TO THE TORY
DEFICIT AND YOU YOU PUT NUMBERS
OUT THERE THAT SUGGEST THAT IF
YOU DON'T ACT UP QUICKLY THAT
THE DEFICIT WILL BE WORSE IN
THE YEARS AHEAD THAN NOW.
QUESTION IS, ARE YOU LAYING IT
TO KNOW A BIT THICK TO
IMPLEMENT THE CONSEVERTIVES IN
WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH NOW?

Dalton says I SENSE MY RESPONSIBILITY TO
CONVEY TO THOSE IN ONTARIO THAT
WE'VE GOT A-- GOT A SIGNIFICANT
FINANCIAL CHALLENGE BEFORE US.
THEIR GOVERNMENT, UM, IS-- IS
NOT AFFORDABLE.
IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE.
UM, DURING THE PAST, WELL,
SINCE THE YEAR 2000, OUR
REVENUES, UM, HAVE GONE UP BY
LESS THAN 1 percent.
AND, ONLY, EXPENDSTURES WENT UP
BY 10 percent.
TO PUT THAT INTO A DIFFERENT
CONTEXT USING REAL NUMBERS,
SINCE 2000, REEF KNEW VERSUS
GONE UP BY ABOUT 90 MILLION DOLLARS.
BUT EXPENDITURES WENT UP BY 10
BILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE.
SO WE'VE GOT TO FIX THIS.
WE'VE GOT TO IF YOU GOVERNMENT
ON A SUSTAINABLE FOOTING.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE GOT TO
START MOVING ALONG THE WAY
TOWARDS IMPLEMENTING OUR, OUR
COMMITMENTS.

Steve says THE PREVIOUS
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT THOUGHT
IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT TEACHERS
BE TESTED EVERY SO OFTEN, EVERY
FIVE YEARS I THINK.
IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
WERE QUALIFIED TO TEACH OUR
KIDS.
YOU’RE CANCELING THAT.
HOW COME?

Dalton says WELL, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO
IS ENSURE THAT AS WITH ANY
PROFESSION, UM, UM, PEOPLE
AFTER GRADUATESING FROM THEIR
SCHOOL, WHETHER YOU'RE A LAWYER
OR, UM, OR A DRAWER OR
VETERINARIAN, WHATEVER, IF YOU
WANT TO BE ADMITTED INTO THE
PROFESSION, THEN YOU HAVE TO
TAKE AN EXAM AND THAT'S GOING
TO BE THE CASE IN ONTARIO AND
ANY NEW TEACHER GRADUATE FROM A
TEACHER'S COLLEGE WILL HAVE TO
TAKE A PROFESSIONAL EXAM TO
ASSESS THEIR ABILITIES TO
TEACH.
NOW, BEYOND THAT, I WANT TO DO
THE SAME THING WE DO WITH OTHER
PROFESSIONALS.
THE JOB OF THE COLLEGE OF
TEACHERS AS, AS IS THE JOB, FOR
EXAMPLE, OF THE LAW SOCIETY OF
UPPER CANADA WHEN IT COMES TO
LAWYERS WILL BE TO ESTABLISH
AMBITIOUS STANDARDS.
IT'S THEN THE RESPONSIBILITY OF
TEACHERS TO-- TO LIVE UP TO
THOSE STANDARDS.
AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A
GOVERNMENT IS TO WORK WITH THE
COLLEGE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE
THOSE STANDARDS IN PLACE.
AND THEN TO SUPPORT OUR
PRINCIPALS WHO ARE ON THE FRONT
LINES IN THE SCHOOLS DAY IN AND
DAY OUT.
TO ASSESS TEACHERS ON AN ON
GOING BASIS.

Steve says OKAY.
LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
POST-SECONDARY SITUATION.
YOU MENTIONED IN THE THRONE
SPEECH THE FREEZE ON TUITION ON
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES FOR
THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
OBVIOUSLY WHAT THAT ALSO MEANS
IS THAT MONIES THAT COLLEGES
AND UNIVERSITIES ANTICIPATED
HAVING IN ORDER TO PAY THEIR
BILLS AND DO THEIR THING, UM,
WON'T BE ABSENCE HIGH AS THEY
THOUGHT.
MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, WILL
YOU COMMIT TO INCREASING
OPERATING FUNDS TO COLLEGES AND
UNIVERSITIES TO COVER THAT
SHORT FALL?

Dalton says WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU I WON'T
MAKE THAT COMMITMENT HERE AND
NOW.
THE MINISTER OF FINANCE WILL BE
PUTTING OUT A BUDGET IN THE
SPRING.
BUT, STEVE, WE'LL WORK WITH THE
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS
RIGHT.
ONE OF THE OTHER THING THAT--
THAT WE WANT TO TACKEL WHEN IT
COME TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE
IS-- IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T
HAVE A SUSTAINABLE FUNDING
MODEL NOW FOR COLLEGE AND
UNIVERSITIES IN THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO.
WE'VE GOT THIS-- GOT THIS
CONSTANT TRADE OFF BETWEEN, UM,
BETWEEN ACCESSIBILITY, UM, OR
QUALITY, QUALITY AND
AFFORDABILITY.
THE UNIVERSITIES TELL US IF YOU
YOU DON'T GIVE US MORE MONEY,
WE CAN'T OFFER A QUALITY
EDUCATION.
WHEN WE SAY, WELL, YOU CAN
RAISE TUITION FEES, WE FIND
THAT WE'VE GOT A REAL PROBLEM
WITH-- WITH FAMILY, UM,
LOWER-INCOME FAMILY, GETTING
ACCESS TO-- TO, UM, TO PROGRAM,
ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, MEDICINE
AND LAW, WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN
SOME VERY DRAMATIC INCREASES
IN-- IN FEES.
SO WHAT WE'VE SAID IS FOR A
PERIOD TWO OF YEARS, WE'RE
GOING TO FREEZE TUITION FEES
AND WE'LL TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE
OF THAT TIME.
TO WORK WITH OUR COLLEGES AND
OUR UNIVERSITIES.
AND STUDENTS AND ALL OTHERS
COMMITTED TO A VITAL
POST-SECONDARY SYSTEM.
TO MAKE SURE WE DEVELOP A NEW
FUNDING MODEL, WHICH CAN BE
SUSTAINABLE.

Steve says I WANT TO ASK YOU
ABOUT CITIES.
I KNOW CITIES, UM, ARE IMPORTANT
TO YOU AND YOU'VE MADE
OBVIOUSLY A SIGNIFICANT PART OF
OUR PLATFORM.
I NOTED THAT-- THAT-- I NOTEED
WITH INTEREST THAT THE MAYOR OF
TORONTO WAS INVITE TODAY HEAR
THE THRONE SPEECH.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HAPPENED
BEFORE.
I TALKED TO DAVID MILLER
AFTERWARDS AND I ASKED IF HE'S
CONCERNED THAT THE TWO CENTS
OFF THE-- OFF THE GAS TAX FOR
TRANSIT WAS NOT MENTIONED IN
THE THRONE SPEECH.
HE WASN'T PREEKING-- FREAKING
YET.
BUT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPY IF
IT WAS IN THERE.
WHY WASN'T IT IN THERE?

Dalton says MR. MILLER, AS IS THE SAYS
WITH-- CASE WITH MANY MAYOR I--
MAYORS ACROSS THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO HAVE THEIR OWN FISCAL
RESTRAINTS.
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISN'T FLUSH
ARE CASH.
AND WE'RE CARRYING ON THE BACKS
THE 5 POINT 6 BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT.
WHAT WE EACH DO BRINGS TO THE
TABLE, STEVE, WITH ISN'T THERE
FOR A LONG, LONG TIME NOW S A
GENUINE GOOD WILL AND A DESIRE
TO WORK TOGETHER WHEREVER
POSSIBLE SO MANY I WOULD LOVE
TO SAY TO THE FOLKS IN TORONTO
AND THE GTA THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT
WE CAN DELIVER ON THAT TWO
CENT, UM, COMMITMENT TO-- TO--
WHICH TOTALS 312 MILLION DOLLARS
PROVINCE WIDE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SAY THAT I
COULD LIVE ON THAT.
IMMEDIATELY.
BUT TO SAY THAT WOULD BE IR
IRRESPONSIBLE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE
SOME TIME.
UM, AND TO MAKE SURE WE CAN
DELIVER ON THAT OVER TIME.

Steve says WILL THERE BE
SOMETHING ON THE FIRST BUDGET
OVER THAT?
MAYBE NOT TWO CENT BUT
SOMETHING?

Dalton says WE'LL SEE.
WAIT FOR THE FINANCE MINISTER
TO GIVE US A FULL ASSESSMENT.
HE'LL GIVE US A, YOU KNOW , A
FISCAL UPDATE IN-- IN A FEW
WEEKS AND WE'LL GET A BETTER
SENSE OF WHERE WE STAND.

Steve says ONE OF THE, ONE OF
THE LINES IN THE THRONE SPEECH
THAT DID, THAT YOU GOT HECKLED
ON, SOME BRONX CHEERS FROM THE
NEW DEMOCRATS IS WE'LL GIVE ALL
MEMBER AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO
MORE ON BEHALF OF THEIR
CONSTIUENTS.
I KNOW THAT LINE WAS THERE IN
REFERENCE TO YOUR BACK
BENCHERS.
MEANING THEY WOULD ALL BE
GREATER PARTICIPANTS IN POLICY
MAKING AND NEW DEMOCRATS LOOKED
AT THAT AND SAID, WELL, YOU
COULD DO THAT FOR US, TOO, BY
MAKING US AN OFFICIAL PARTY.
ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT?

Dalton says WELL, I TELL YOU WHAT
WE'VE DONE?
FIRST OF ALL, LET'S UNDERSTAND
WHERE WE ARE AT.
UM, THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE
TODAY ARE RULES THAT-- THAT WE
VOTED FOR.
THAT THE NDP VOTED FOR AND THE
TORIES VOTED FOR AND THEY SAY
IF YOU GET LESS THAN EIGHT
MEMBER, THEN YOU'RE NOT AN
OFFICIAL PARTY.
NOT WITHSTANDING THAT, UM, WHAT
I DID, UM, TODAY, WAS DIRECTED
AT MY HOUSE LEADER TO, UM, TO--
TO DIRECT THAT $400,000, UM, BE
PAID TO THE-- TO THE NDP.

Steve says IT DIDN'T SEEM TO
IMPRESS THEM.

Dalton says NO, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT-- WHAT
CAN YOU I SAY?
400,000 DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY WHAT
THEY'RE DOING-- IN FACT, WHAT
THEY'RE GETTING IS GETTING THE
SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE DO
ON THE CAUCUS IN THE PER CAPITA
BASIS WITH RESEARCH AND
ADMINISTRATION AND THE LIKE.
BEYOND THAT, WE'VE SAID, NOT
WITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT
THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO THESE
DINDZE OF-- KINDS OF
PRIVILEGES, WE SAID, HE YES WE
WANTED YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN
QUESTION PERIOD.
AS YOU DID BEFORE.
WE WANT YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN
THE DEBATES AND RESPONSES TO
MINISTERIAL STATEMENTS.
SO I THINK MY OBJECTIVE ARE,
WHICH WAS TO ENSURE THE NDP CAN
FULLY PARTICIPATE AND REPRESENT
THE CONSITUENTS, I THINK THAT'S
BEEN MET.

Steve says LET'S TALK YOU TO YOU
ABOUT BILL MURDOC H.
THINKING TO JOIN THE NDP TO
BRING THEM TO EIGHT, AND
OFFICIAL PARTY STATUS IF THEY
DO THAT.
WHAT'S YOU VIEWER-- YOUR YOU
VIEW ON THAT MOVE?

Dalton says MR. MURDOCH IS A COLOURFUL
FELLOW.
I DON'T THINK THE NDP WOULD
ACCEPT HIM.

Steve says THEY COURTED HIM.
WHAT YOU DO YOU MEAN?

Dalton says I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF HE
WENT.

Steve says THANK YOU FOR JOINING
US TONIGHT TO KNOW TVO.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

Dalton says THANK YOU, STEVE.

Back in the studio, Steve says OKAY.
LET'S DISSECT THE LIBERAL PLAN
FOR THIS SESSION WITH OUR
QUEEN'S PARK NATIONAL ISTS.
THREE FORMER EDUCATION
MINISTERS ALL.
SEAN CONWAY, FORMER CABINET
MINISTER IN THE DAVID PETERSON
GOVERNMENT.
JANET ECKER.
WHO STAT WITH MIKE HARRIS AND
ERNIE EVES AND DAVE COOKE.
UPPED BOB RAE'S NDP GOVERNMENT.
ONE CANNOT BE-- CANNOT HELP BUT
BE STRUCK WITH YOU NOW THE
GOVERNMENT APPEARS TO BE
OBSESSED WITH THE DEFICIT.
THE THRONE SPEECH IS ABOUT
TACKLING THE DEFICIT.
IT'S ALL OVER THE THRONE
SPEECH.
SHOULD THIS REALLY BE THEIR
TOP, UNIQUE PRIORITY?

Sean Conway appears on screen with a caption that reads "Sean Conway, Former Liberal Cabinet Minister." Sean is in his forties, has short, side-parted, brown hair, is clean-shaven, and wears a brown plaid suit, blue shirt, and patterned brown tie.

Sean says I THINK IT'S CLEAR TO THE
YOU NEW GOVERNMENT NOW THAT
THEY DO FACE A MORE
STRAIGHTENED FINANCIAL
CIRCUMSTANCE THAN, THAN THEY
IMAGINED.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS
WE HAVE YOU ALL LEARNED ABOUT,
UM, ABOUT A CORE VALUE IN
ONTARIO PROVINCIAL POLITICS
THAT IT IS THAT THE PEOPLE OF
THIS PROVINCIAL, UM, WANT TO
SEE A GOOD MANAGEMENT OF THE
FINANCES.
THERE'S NOT A GREAT DEAL OF
TOLERANCE FOR, UM, FOR DEFICIT
SPENDING.
AND I CAN TELL YOU AS PART OF A
GOVERNMENT IN THE LATE '80'S, I
LEARNED A PAINFUL LESSON ABOUT
SPENDING MONIES THAT YOU CAN'T
RELIABLELY DEPEND ON.
SO I THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT
IS GOING TO FACE SOME, SOME
TOUGH CHOICES.
BUT I THINK THEY'RE RIGHT TO,
TO UP FRONT WITH PEOPLE AND
SAY, LISTEN, THE BOOKS ARE NOT
AS GOOD AS WE HOPED AND WE'RE
GOING TO PROCEED PRUDENTLY.
KEEPING OUR PROMISE, YES.
BUT IN GOOD TIME.

Steve says DO YOU THINK THIS
GOVERNMENT WILL BE A LOT MORE
CONSERVATIVE THAN THEY INTENDED
TO BE WHEN THEY RAN FOR
ELECTION?

Janet Ecker appears on screen with a caption that reads "Janet Ecker, Former P.C. Cabinet Minister." Janet is in her forties, has short brown hair with blond highlights cut in the shape of a bowl, wears glasses, and wears a black suit and red shirt.

Janet says NOT SINCE CLARK KENT CAME
OUT OF THE PHONE BOOTH HAVE WE
SEEN SUCH A TRANSFORMATION.

Steve says THAT'S A GOOD LINE.

Janet says I WAS READING IT, AND-- AND
ONE OF THE REPORTERS SAYS, YOU
KNOW, HE WAS SOUND BEING
LIKE MIKE HARRIS.
BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION I
WOULD ASK IS, WHERE HAVE THEY
BEEN?
HE SAID IN THE SPEECH ON THE
THRONE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO
BE RESPONSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE
AND SUSTAINABLE.
AND THE NEXT LINE SAID, THAT'S
NOT THE JOB WE EXPECTED TO DO.
WELL, WHAT DID THEY EXPECT?
TO DO?
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU
CAN SEE IN THIS THRONE SPEECH
IS THAT A LOT OF THE LIBERALS
AND OPPOSITION ARE YOU NOW IN
GOVERNMENT HAVE SUDDENLY
REALIZED THAT, GEE, IT'S NOT
EASY BEING IN GOVERNMENT.
WE HAVE TOUGH DECISIONS, HE
SAID.
YES, THEY ARE A TOUGH
DECISIONS.
THEY'RE CLEARLY NOT MAKING
THEM.
UM, ON THE FISCAL SIDE.
WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT, LISTEN, IT'S NOT AN EASY,
EASY JOB.
I THINK THEY JUST WOKE UP TO
THAT.

Steve says EVERY GOVERNMENT
WANT, OF COURSE, A NICE
HONEYMOON.
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS
HONEYMOON IS GOING TO LAST?

Dave Cooke appears on screen with a caption that reads "Dave Cooke, Former NDP Cabinet Minister." Dave is in his forties, has short, shave brown hair, is clean-shaven, and wears a black suit, blue shirt, and striped blue tie.

Dave says WELL, I THINK THAT-- THAT'S
THE INTERESTING QUESTION.
BECAUSE THE-- THE WORD IN THE
LAST FEW WEEKS ABOUT THE
DEFICIT AND SO FORTH HAS GOT
THEN THROUGH THIS-- THEM
THROUGH THIS FAR AND GETS THEM
THROUGH THE TRON-- HRONE
SPEECH.
BUT THERE'S LOTS OF CLOUD ON
THE HORIZON.
JUST TAKE IN EDUCATION FOR ONE,
WE KNOW THAT-- THAT THE TORONTO
DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD, FOR
EXAMPLE, AND THE OTHER SCHOOL
BOARDS THAT ARE UNDER
SUPERVISION AND CONTRARY TO
WHAT PEOPLE THINK ARE STILL
UNDER SUPERVISION AND WILL
REMAIN UNDER SUPERVISION ARE
CARRYING LARGE DEBTS.
THEY'VE HAD-- GOT TO NEGOTIATE
A LOT OF AGREEMENTS.
HAVE AN AGREEMENT COMING UP
WITH THE DOCTORS SOON.

Steve says WHAT ARE THEY TRUST
TRUSTEES AGAIN.

Dave says MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT
THEY WON'T BE IN FULL CONTROL
UNTIL...-- UNTIL THE DIRECTOR
AND THE CHAIR ARE ESSENTIALLY
RUNNING IN-- IN CONSULTATION
WITH TRUSTEES.
BUT NOT IN FULL CONTROL.
MY-- THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION
STILL HAS VETO.
WHICH I THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO
HAVE.
UNTIL THEY BALANCE THE BUDGET.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WORD THEY'VE
PUT OUT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT
WILL COME TO-- TO, UM TORQUE
THE FOREFRONT OVER THE NEXT
NUMBER OF MONTH THAT WILL COST
A LOT OF MONEY.
YOU HOW WILL THEY DEAL WITH IT?

Sean says ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
WOULD ALL DEGREE AS FORMER MUN
CENTRES, ESPECIALLY EDGE CASE,
STEVE AND MY ADVICE TO PREMIER
MCGUINTY AND HIS COLLEAGUES
PARTICULARLY IN AREAS LIKE
HEALTH AND EDUCATION, BE CLEAR
ABOUT HOW AND WHERE YOU INTEND
TO SPEND THE MONEY.
BECAUSE HEALTH CARE AND
EDUCATION TAKE SOMETHING IN
EXCESS NOW OF 60 percent OF ALL
PROGRAM SPENDING.
YOU BETTER BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT
HOW YOU WANT THIS NEW MONEY
TO BE SPENT.
AND YOU BETTER MAKE SURE THAT
YOU HAVE GOOD PROGRAM DESIGN IN
AREAS LIKE HEALTH CARE AND
EDUCATION.
OTHERWISE YOU CAN SPEND A LOT
OF MONEY, MAKE LITTLE CHANGE
AND GET VERY LITTLE OF THE
CREDIT.

Janet says BUT, SEE, THIS IS THE LEADER
WHO SAID TO HIS FLOCK THAT--
THAT HE WAS GOING TO STOP THE
SO-CALLED HARRIS-EVES CUTBACKS
IN HEALTH AND EDUCATION.
AND NOW HE'S STANDING UP AND
SAYING THAT WE'RE SPENDING TOO
MUCH IN HEALTH AND EDUCATION.
UM, HE'S GOING TO PROMISE CUTS
OF HIS OWN.
SEAN'S QUITE RIGHT THAT HEALTH
AND EDUCATION ARE THE TWO
BIGGEST PROGRAM THAT YOU
SPEND ON.
THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
SPACE-- FACE IS THAT HE'S
TALKING ABOUT THE PROVINCE'S
ABILITY TO AFFORD PROGRAM.
AND, AGAIN, WHERE HAVE THEY
BEEN?
BECAUSE THE PLOFRNSS HAVE
BEEN-- BECAUSE THE PROVINCE
VERSUS BEEN SAYING TO OTTAWA
FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW THAT THE
FISCAL IMBALANCE IN THIS
COUNTRY IS DRIVING PROMPTS INTO
THE HOLE, IS DRIVING PROVINCES
TO BLEED OTHER PROGRAMS.
DAVE MADE THE POINT ABOUT
UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES AS
THEY CONTINUE TO TRY AND FUND
THIS HEALTH MONSTER.
UNTIL ANY GOVERNMENT SXRNG
MCGUINTY AND THE TEAM WILL HAVE
PROBLEMS FACING THIS.
UNTIL THEY GET THEIR HEAD
WRAPPED AROUND THE HEALTH
PROBLEM, THEY'LL ALWAYS HAVE
PRESSURES ON THE BOTTOM LINE.

Sean says BUT THE THRONE
SPEECH GETS THIS GOVERNMENT
TO CANCEL THE OTHER
GOVERNMENT'S TAX CUTS.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE CLEAR
SIGNALS, I THINK TO YOU ALL
LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT IS THAT
THE PUBLIC DOES NOT NOW, UM,
EXPECT ADDITIONAL TAX CUTTING
WHEN, WHEN IT IS SO CLEAR THAT
ON THE REVENUE SIDE, PROGRAM
LIKE HEALTH AND EDUCATION ARE
SUFFERING--

Janet says THEY'RE SETTING THE GROUND
FOR A TAX INCREASE.
NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

Steve says WELL, THAT'S WHAT I
WANTED TO ASK ABOUT.
BECAUSE MR. MCGUINTY AFTER THE
THRONE SPEECH ON THURSDAY SAID
WE MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER ONS
THAT WE PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT
UNTHINKABLE.
THAT'S THE WORD HE USED.
NOW, HE SIGNED THE TAXPAYER
PROTECTION PLEDGE AND WILL
ABIDE BY THE TAXPAYER
PROTECTION ACT.
IF WANTS TO RAISE TAXES EEL
HAVE-- HE'LL HAVE TO CALL A
REFERENDUM.
DO YOU THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE
OPENINGS HE'S THINKING ABOUT
IT?

Sean says THINK THEY'LL FACE IN THE
SHORT-TERM VERY TOUGH CHOICES.
THIS IS A GOVERNMENT WITH A
FOUR-YEAR MANDATE.
ANY OF US WHO HAVE BEEN INSPECT
GOVERNMENT IN THE PARLIAMENTARY
CYCLEL WILL TELL YOU IF YOU
HAVE TO DO TOUGH THINGS, DO IT
IN THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO OF A
FOUR-YEAR MANDATE.

Steve says DO YOU THINK WE'LL
HAVE A REFERENDUM SOON ON
WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL RAISE
TAKAFUMI INSIDE.

Dave says I'M NOT HERE--

Steve says I'M ASKING IT--

Dave says CHANGE THE LAW.
I MEAN, ADMIT THAT THE LAW IS
BAD PUBLIC POLICY AND--

Steve says BUT HE SIGNED IT.

Dave says HE SIGNED IT.
BUT HE MADE A WHOLE BUMP OF
COMMITMENTS--

Janet says ANOTHER BROKEN PROMISE.

Dave says HE MADE COMMITMENTS TO THE
PEOPLE OF THIS PROVINCE ON
HEALTH CARE AND EDUCATION.
THOSE WERE THE TWO FOCAL POINT.
BUT-- OF THEIR CAMPAIGN.
IF HE WANT TO KEEP THOSE
COMMITMENTS, HE'S GOT CHOICES.
SO DON'T COME TO THE PEOPLE, HE
CAN'T GO TO THE PEOPLE AND SAY,
HAVE NO CHOICES.
HE'S GOT CHOICES.

Steve says I UNDERSTAND THAT.
HE'S GOT CHOICES.
BUT HE CAN'T VERY WELL AFTER
VOTING FOR THE TAXPAYER
PROTECTION ACT AND SIGNING THE
PLEDGE DURING THE ELECTION
CAMPAIGN AND PROMISING A
MILLION TIMES OVER, I'M GOING
TO I ABIDE BY THIS.
HE CAN'T VERY WELL COME OUT A
WEEK AFTER HE IS SWORN IN AS
PREMIER AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT,
I HAVE TO RAISE TAXES EYE

Dave says I THINK THAT OTHERS IN THE
EDUCATION FIELD WILL SAY, YOU
YOU CAN'T VERY WELL SAY YOU
PROMISED TO DO SOMETHING FOR
SPECIAL EDUCATION, YOU PROMISED
TO RETURN SCHOOL BOARDS TO
LOCAL DEMOCRACY ASK THEN NOT
FULFILL ANY OF THOSE
COMMITMENTS.
THOSE ARE COMMITMENTS, TOO.

Steve says JAN?

Janet says THEY'RE GOING OUT ON THIS
GREAT CONSULTATION IN THE
PUBLIC AND YOU'LL HEAR THEM SAY
WHEN THEY COME BACK THAT, YOU
KNOW, WE NEED A SPECIAL TAX
INCREASE JUST FOR HEALTH OR
EDUCATION.
SO I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TRY
AND DO THAT.
IT'S THE EASIEST OUT FOR THEM.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE
DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT THEY
NEED TO MAKE HERE.
AS THEY SHOULD.
BUT I-- THE TAX PAYER
PROTECTION ACT IS VERY GOOD
LEGISLATION.
BECAUSE IT FORS GOVERNMENT TO--
TO MAKE TOUGH AND DIFFICULT
DECISIONS TO KEEP THE BUDGET
PLANED.
AND RAISING TAXES IS NOT THE
WAY TO GO.

Sean says THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT WAS
PUTTING ALL OF ITS HOPE ON A
SALE OF PUBLIC ASSETS.
WE FOUND OUT THAT THAT WAS VERY
DIFFICULT.
AND--

Janet says DALTON IS SELLING 900
MILLION DOLLARS OF PUBLIC ASSETS.

Sean says THERE ARE TOUGH CHOICES AND
I AGREE WITH DAVID COOKE THAT
THE NEW GOVERNMENT HAS CHOICE.
BUT THE REALITY IS THESE ARE
POLITICIANS AND I THINK THEY'LL
WANT TO MAKE TOUGH CHOICES IN
THE EARLY PART OF THE MANDATE
SO FOUR YEARS FROM YOU NOW THEY
DON'T FACE AN ELECTORATE WITH A
MAROONING DEFICIT AND RELATED
PROBLEMS.

Steve says THE SMOKERS EVER THIS
PROVINCE-- OF THIS PROVINCE
FOUND OUT THEY'LL GET WHACKED
BIG TIME.
THE INCOMING MAYOR OF WINDSOR,
EDDIE FRANCIS.
VERY YOUNG IMPRESSIVE
POLITICIAN.
HAD THIS TO SAY AFTER THE
THRONE SPEECH ON THURSDAY.

A clip rolls.

Eddie Francis appears on screen in an interview with a caption that reads "Eddie Francis, Mayor-Elect of Windsor." Francis is in his twenties, has short, black, gelled hair, is clean-shaven, and wears a black suit, white shirt, and striped beige tie.

Francis says WE DRAW FROM-- FROM THE
UNITED STATES.
AND-- AND THIS LEGISLATION WILL
HAVE A SEVERE IMPACT ON THE
CASINO WINDSOR'S ABILITY TO
COMPETE.
THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS
WE KNOW YOU OUR NUMBERS ARE
DOWN AS A RESULT OF SARS AND
THE IRAQ WAR.
AS WELL AS THE PERCEPTION OF
BORDER, UM, DELAYS.
AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A
DOWNWARD SPIRAL AND THIS WILL
HAVE A FURTHER IMPACT.
LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS
GIVE PEOPLE MORE OF A REASON TO
STAY AT HOME.

Back in the studio, Steve says DAVE COOKE, THE
THRONE SPEECH SAYS WITHIN THREE
YEARS, NO SMOKING IN PUBLIC OR
WORK PLACES, PERIOD.
HAS HE JUST PUT A GOOD REASON
ON THE TABLE TO THINK ABOUT RE
REVISITING THAT ISSUE?

Dave says UM, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT'S
PROPOSAL'S GOOD PUBLIC POLICY.
IT'S A DIRECTION IT SHOULD MOVE
IN.
BEEN TRIED IN OTHER
JURISDICTIONS.
OTHER PARTS OF THE PROVINCE.
AND IT-- IT ACTUALLY, THERE'S A
WHOLE CONSTIUENCY OF PEOPLE
THAT DON'T GO OUT TO PUBLIC
PLACES YOU NOW BECAUSE THEY
DON'T WANT TO INHALE SMOKE.
IT THERE -- IT-- IT WILL BE
TOUGH TO ADJUST BUT THE NEW WAY
OF THE WORLD AND GOOD POLICY.

Janet says THEY HAVE TO WATCH THE
ECONOMIC INPACT ON THE YOU
SMALL HOSPITALITY SECTOR AND
THE BARS.
SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC IMPACT.
THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION
TO THAT.
SECONDLY, YOU DON'T ANNOUNCE
YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE THE TAX
AND NOT RAISE THE TAX YET.
BECAUSE EXACTLY WHAT YOU COULD
PREDICT IS HAPPENING OUT THERE.
LITTLE GROCERIES STORES ARE
TRYING TO SELL THE STUFF.
PEOPLE ARE HOARDING AND PEOPLE
ARE BUYING AND PEOPLE DON'T
KNOW-- DON'T KNOW WHAT IS
HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
MAKE THE CHANGE.
I'M SURPRISED AT THE WAY THEY
WENT ABOUT IT--

Steve says NOT-- YOU'RE NOT A
SMOKER--

Sean says BUT MY 87-YEAR-OLD FATHER
IS.
HE WON'T BE HAPPY.
IT'S GOOD PUBLIC POLICY.
NDP PREMIER OF MANITOBA THIS
WEEK TOOK PERSONAL EXCEPTION
TO-- TO AN INITIATIVE THAT HIS
GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO ENDORSE
BECAUSE OF ALL-PARTY SUPPORT.
IT, TOO, INVOLVED AN ASPECT OF
SMOKING IN PUBLIC PLACES.

Steve says YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT
IT.

Sean says RIGHT BUT TOUGH THING TO DO.

Steve says THANKS TO YOU
THREE.
SEE YOU NEXT WEEK.
WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM FOR OUR
VIEWERS THIS WEEK.
THERE'S A NEW DEAL ON THE OAK
RIDGES MORAINE.
WE HAVE THIS YOU NOW ON BACK
ROOM 401.

- BACK ROOM 411.

Music plays and a slate appear of Queen’s Park with a title that reads "Backroom 411." Clips of parliament appear on screen with Susanna Kelley and Robert Fisher walking down a hallway. Susanna is in her forties, has shoulder-length straight blond hair, and wears a pink blazer and black pant suit. Robert is in his forties, has short, side-parted, brown hair, is clean-shaven, and wears a black suit, white shirt, and black tie.

In an interview, Steve says OKAY.
BIG NEWS COMING DOWN LATE
FRIDAY AFTERNOON A NEW DEAL ON
OAK-- ON OAK RIDGE MORAINE.
GIFTS US THE 411.

Susanna says THE LIBERAL BROKEN PROMISE
O-MANY METER WENT RIGHT OFF THE
SCALE TODAY.
YOU KNOW, THEY-- THEY-- DURING
THE CAMPAIGN, THE LIBERALS,
INCLUDING MCGUINTY, PROMISED HE
WOULD STOP THE DEVELOPMENT OF
6600 HOMES ON THE MORAINE.
WELL, I DON'T WANT TO CALL
ANYBODY A LIAR, BUT DEFINITELY
THERE WERE SOME LIBERAL PANTS
ON FIRE TODAY.
DEFINITELY SMOKEING IN THAT
ROOM.
UM, ONLY 900, UM, WILL BE CUT.
AND-- AND, UM, AND I THINK
THAT-- THAT AS WELL, THERE WILL
BE A VERY MODEST INCREASE IN
PROTECTION, WHAT THE FEDERATION
OF ONTARIO NATURALISTS CALLS A
VERY MODEST INCREASE IN
PROTECTION.
51 MORE ACRES, ADDED TO AT THAT
1400-ACRE PARK ANOUNED TWO
YEARS AGO.
BY THE CONSERVATIVES.
3 POINT 5 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE OAK
RIDGES FOUNDATION.
SO-- SO YOU I THINK THAT
THEY'VE GOT SOME EXPLAINING TO
DO.

Steve says ROBERT?

Robert says IF RICHARD MAHONEY WAS
AROUND, I WOULD SAY BAD NEWS
FOR DALTON MCGUINTY.
YOU CAN BREAK AND DELAY
PROMISES AND YOU CAN SHIFT
COMMITMENTS.
I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
ONE.
I THINK IT SETS A HUGE
STATEMENT FOR THIS GOVERNMENT.
I THINK POTENTIALLY THERE ARE
LONG-TERM QUESTIONS.
INTERESTING TO NOTE THE PREMIER
WAS IN OTTAWA DEALING WITH A
HOOPT ISSUE AND HE DISPATCHED
JOHN GERRETSON SO MAKE THE
ANOUNMENT AND AT ONE POINT, HE
SAID, MAYBE WE HAVE NAIVE IN
THE ELECTION PROMISE.
TOUGH WORDS FROM MINISTER.

Susanna says MAYBE THEY WERE NAIVE AND
WANTED VOTES IN THE T 9-- IN
THE 905--

Steve says SO CYNICAL AND UNKIND
OF YOU TO SAY.

Susanna says NOW THEY'VE GOT THEM.

Robert says A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING
THEY LIED.
A LOT OF THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS
USED THIS WORD WHEN THEY TALKED
ABOUT THIS.

Steve says WHAT'S IN THIS FOR
THE DEVELOP SENIORS.

Susanna says THAT'S A BIG MISS-- BIG
MYSTERY, AS A MATTER OF FACT.
I ASKED THEM THAT TODAY.
OKAY, SO KETTLE LAKE, LAND
AROUND IT IS BEING DONATEED
FROM THE PARK AND THE
DEVELOPER.
WHAT IS IT IN FOR THE DEVELOP
SENIORS HE SAID, LAND.
AND WE KNEW THAT.
HE SAID THE DEAL IS NOT
COMPLETED-- COMPLETED YET AND
WON'T TELL US WHAT'S IT IN THE
FOR THE DEVELOPERS UNTIL NEXT
SPRING.
THIS SOUND SUSPICIOUSLY LIKE
THE DEAL THAT THE LIBERALS
ACCUSED THE TORIES HAVE-- OF
HAVING A SECRET BACK ROOM DEAL
FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
HE I SAID, WHAT'S THE
DIFFERENT?
YOU WON'T TELL US WHAT THE DEAL
IS.
AND YOU WON'T TELL US UNTIL
THE SPRING.
AND HE WOULD NOT ANSWER THAT.
ALSO, I-- I THINK IT'S GOING TO
BE LESS TRANSPARENT THAN THE
TORY ONE.
BECAUSE, UM, BECAUSE THE FOR--
BECAUSE THE TORY ONE WHEN IT
WAS COMPLETED WAS TO GO THROUGH
THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER AND
FAIRNESS COMMISSION AND PRORKF
YOU AUDITOR.
I ASKED MR. GERRETSON THAT
TODAY IF HE GUARANTEE THIS DEAL
WOULD GO THROUGH.
HE SAID I'LL HAVE THE FAIRNESS
COMMISSIONER LOOK AT IT.
I SAID WOULD YOU STOP IT IN THE
FAIRNESS COMMISSIONER DOESN'T
LIKE IT AND HE WOULDN'T ANSWER.

Robert says I TELL YOU, STEVE, THIS
ISSUE, ADAM'S MINE ERUPT THIS
WEEK.
IF LIBERAL CABINET MINISTER ARE
NOT SPENDING EVERY WAKING HOUR
THIS WEEKEND GETTING READY FOR
QUESTION PERIOD ON MONDAY
MORNING, THEY'LL BE VERY SADLY
DISAPOINT WITH THEIR
PERFORMANCE FIRST DAY OF
QUESTION PERIOD ON MONDAY.
THEY'LL BE IN FOR A REAL FIGHT.
THE NDF, THE TORIES, LOADED FOR
BEAR.
UM, AND READY TO GO AFTER
CABINET MINISTERS.
I SUSPECT THEY MAY TRY AND
FOCUS ON SOME OF THE ROOKIES.
BUT THEY HAVE TOUGH QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THE MINISTERS HAD
BETTER BE PREPARED.
BECAUSE IT COULD BE A BLOOD
BATH ON MONDAY.

Steve says THIS IS THE FIRST
MCGUINTY QUESTION PERIOD ON
MONDAY.
THERE ARE WELL-KNOWN PROVEN
PERFORMERS IN SOME OF THE BIG
MINISTRIES.
ABOUT YOU WERE ADVISING THE
OPPOSITION ON WHERE TO FIRE THE
BARRELS OF THEIR GUN, WHAT
WOULD YOU SUGGEST?

Robert says THE OTHER WAY AROUND, WHEN
DAVID PETERSON WAS IN
OPPOSITION, HE WENT AFTER
ROOKIES.
STAY AWAY FROM JIM BRADLEY.
WILL TALK YOU TO DEATH IN
QUESTION PERIOD.
EAT UP THAT WHOLE HOUR.
GO AFTER THE ROOKIES AND TRY TO
BRING THEM SOME REALITY ABOUT
WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GOVERN IN
ONTARIO.
AND AS WELL, FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE, EVEN PEOPLE LIKE THOSE
THAT ARE EXPERIENCED, LIKE
SANDRA, BEEN USED TO THROWING
THE MUD AND NOW SHE HAS TO
CATCH IT.
THERE'S A BIG DEFERENCE.

Steve says STARTS NEXT WEEK.
WHAT DID YOU HEAR ON SMART
GROWTH.

Susanna says I HEARD AN INTERESTING STORY
ABOUT THAT.
HINT THAT THE LIBERALS WILL
TAKE IT ON AS A POLICY OF THAT
ARE OWN.
APPARENTLY, AT A--

Steve says THIS WAS A TORY
POLICY.

Susanna says THAT--

Steve says THAT THEY TOOK ON.

Susanna says EXACTLY.
TORIES HAD PANELS THAT CAME UP
WITH PLANS ON THE ENTIRE
PROVINCE ON SMART GROWTH.
APPARENTLY IN-- APPARENTLY AT A
CONFERENCE ABOUT A WEEK
AND-A-HALF AGO OR SO, HAZEL
MCCALLION, CHAIR OF ONE OF
THOSE PANELS AND JIM FOUGHT
FROM THE FEDERATION OF ONTARIO
NATURALISTS RAN INTO DALTON
MCGUINTY.
SAID TO HIM, LOOK, WOULD YOU
JUST READ OUR REPORT.
PLEASE.
PLEASE, IT DOESN'T NEED ANYMORE
STUDY.
MCMCGUINTY PROMISED HE WOULD GO
HOME AND READ IT THAT WEEKEND.
WITHIN A WEEK, YOU SAW ONE OF
THE MAJOR RECCOMENDATIONS , A
BUS RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM.
THE BEGINS OF THAT WAS ANOUNED
BY THE MCGUINTY GOVERNMENT ON
HIGHWAY 403.
DALTON USED THE WORD SMART
GROWTH IN SCRUMS.
SO-- THERE'S HINTS THAT SMART
GROWTH IS GOING TO GO AHEAD
UNDER THE LIBERALS.

Steve says HE READ THE REPORT.

Susanna says APPARENTLY.

Robert says THERE'S GOOD WILL AMONG THE
ONTARIO ELECTORATE FOR THE
LIBERALS.
AND THERE'S A HONEYMOON LEFT.
MAYBE NOT WITH THE MEDIA AND
OOP SIGNIFICANCE.
BUT WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC,
YES.

Steve says I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU
BUT THAT.
IN THE LAST 30 SECOND HERE,
HUNDRED MOONS TEND TO LAST THAN
THE WEEKEND RIGHT HERE.
THIS ONE, THE OPPOSITION IT TWO
SEEM TO BE, SEEM ADAMANT ABOUT
ENDING THIS HONEYMOON REAL
QUICK.

Robert says FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY
SEE MR. MCMCGUINTY AS BECOMING
VERY ARROGANT VERY QUICKLY.
LOOKING LIKE THEER TO RIGS.
THE TORY SAY HE'S LOOKING LIKE
SOME OF THEM PROGRAMS.
THIS IS A DAUPGER.
DON'T WANT TO SEE TO BECOME ARE
ARROGANT.
THE LANDSCAPE IS LANDSCAPED
WITH PREMIERS THAT BECAME
ARROGANT QUICKLY AND YOU'VE
TOUCH.
LIKE DAVID PETERSON.
HE'S PRACTICING LAW AND NOT IN
THE LEGISLATURE.

Steve says HE SAID WHEN YOU
CALLED IT-- WE HAVE TO GO.
WE'RE OUT OF TIME.
THANK YOU FOR THE 411 FROM THE
BACK ROOM.

Back in the studio, Steve says AND THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR THIS
WEEK.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN OF.
UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY, THANK YOU.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Erica Balch.

Director, Michael Smith.

A production of TVOntario. Copyright 2003, The Ontario Educational
Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

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