Transcript: Eves Report Card | Apr 20, 2003

The opening sequence rolls.

Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

A clip shows a gavel banging against a desk, and MPPs voting in the Legislature.

Fast clip shows images of Premier Ernie Eves in office.

Paula is in the studio with 4 guests.

Paula Todd is in her early forties, with chin length straight blond hair with bangs. She wears white and blue striped blouse and a blue blazer.

He says THIS WEEK ON "4TH
READING."
A YEAR AT THE HELM.
ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF HIS
FIRST YEAR IN POWER, WHERE IS
ERNIE EVES TAKING ONTARIO?
HELLO, EVERYONE .
I'M PAULA TODD.
WELCOME TO "4TH READING."
THIS WEEK, ERNIE EVES MARKED
THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY OF HIS
SWEARING IN AS ONTARIO FREEDOM
IR.
THE CONSERVATIVE LEADER HAS BY
ALL ACCOUNTS HAD A CHALLENGING
YEAR.
TELLING US EARLY ON THAT HE HAD
A SOCIAL CONSCIENCE, HE MOVED
QUICKLY TO REVIEW HOW WE SPEND
OUR EDUCATION DOLLARS AND DELAY
TAX CUTS.
AND STOP A STRIKE.
AND A YEAR LATER, A REPORT THAT
EVES MAY BE TURNING RIGHT
AGAIN.
SO, JUST WHERE IS HE TAKING
ONTARIO?
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF
THE HIGH AND LOW POINTS OF
ERNIE EVES FIRST 365 DAYS.

A black slate appears with the caption "Political Philosophy. November 14, 2001."

A fast clip shows images of Ernie Eves at a conference.

He’s in his mid-fifties, clean-shaven and with short graying hair neatly combed back.

He says I'M A PRAGMATIST I'M NOT
RIGHT WING.
I AM NOT LEFT WING.
I AM SOMEONE WHO IS FISCALLY
RESPONSIBLE WITH A LARGE SOCIAL
CONSCIENCE.
IN MY MIND, THAT'S WHAT BEING A
CONSERVATIVE IS ALL ABOUT.

The caption changes to "Budget 2002. June 17, 2001."

At a session in the Legislator, a female MP says
I WILL INTRODUCE LEGISLATION
TO DELAY, FOR ONE YEAR ONLY,
THE CURRENT PLANNED REDUCTIONS
IN PERSONAL AND CORPORATE
INCOME TAX.

Ernie says THIS WAS A DIFFICULT YEAR.
THIS IF-- IF THIS WOULD HAVE
BEEN ANY ORDINARY YEAR, I THINK
YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THE TAX
CUTS PROCEEDING AS SCHEDULED.

The caption changes to "500 million dollars more for education. December 12, 2003."

Ernie says WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR
REFORMS.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO INCREASE
ACCOUNTABLE AND STABILITIES.
AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE
UPON THEIR QUALITY.
WORKING TOGETHER, WE'LL GIVE
OUR YOUNG PEOPLE THE VERY BEST
EDUCATION THAT WE CAN.

The caption changes to "Hydro Privatization. January 20, 2003."

Ernie says THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE
RETAINING 100 percent CONTROL OF HYDRO
ONE.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD HAVE A
PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNER COME IN,
AND BE A PARTNER IN THE
PROCESS, UNDERSTANDING THAT
THEY DIN HAVE CONTROL, AND THAT
THEY DIDN'T OWN THE ENTITY OUT
RIGHT THAT, WAS ONE THING.
IF YOU COULDN'T GET THAT, SUCH
AS WHAT THE FACT TURNED OUT TO
BE, WE SAID WE WOULDN'T SELL
IT.
AND WE AREN'T.

The caption changes to "Presenting the budget at Magna International. March 12, 2003."

Ernie says WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THE
CONDOMINIUM WITH RESPECT TO,
UM, TO A BUDGETS BEFORE THE END
OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
WHICH WILL BE DELIVERED BY THE
MINISTER OF FINANCE ON THE 27TH
OF MARCH.
AT A LOCATION TO BE DETERMINED.
IN THE GREATER TORONTO AREA.

Paula says HERE TO HELP US
ASSESS THE PREMIER'S RECORD,
MICHAEL BLISS, PROFESSOR OF HIT
FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO.
AND OUR QUEEN'S PARK ANALYSTS,
FOR THE LAW FIRM OF FRASER,
MILNER AND KAZKAN AND BOREALIS
CAPITAL, RICHARD MAHONEY.
RUTH GRIER, ONE-TIME CABINET
MINISTER WITH THE NDP.
IN AN INTERESTING COINCIDENCE,
ANOTHER PARTY PRESIDENT FROM
FRASER MILNER KAZKAN, HE HEADS
UP THE LIBERAL-- HE'S THE
PRESIDENT OF THE LIBERAL PARTY.
YOU GUYS MUST HAVE SOME
INTERESTING MEETINGS.

Richard says WE HAVE--

Paula says DON'T MIND.
WE'VE GOT MICHAEL BLISS HERE,
DELIGHTED TO SEE YOU, SIR.

The caption changes to "Michael Bliss. University of Toronto."

Michael is in his early sixties, clean-shaven and with short straight white hair. He wears glasses, a black suit, a grayish purple shirt and a patterned tie.

He says THANK YOU.

Paula says UM, GIVE US A-- SORT
OF YOUR-- YOU'RE A PROFESSOR.
GIVE US A SUMMARY, AN OVER
ARCHING PERSPECTIVE ON HOW YOU
THINK THAT ERNIE EVES HAS DONE
IN THE FIRST YEAR.

Michael says I THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS
OUT THERE THAT IT'S BEEN A BAD
YEAR FOR ERNIE EVES.
AND THE POLLS SHOW IT.
IT IF WAS A GOOD YEAR, WE WOULD
BE IN AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN.
THE 1K3-9 CONSERVATIVES OWN
JUDGMENT IS THAT THEY'RE NOT IN
GOOD ENOUGH SHAPE TO GO TO THE
PEOPLE.
IT'S BEEN A BAD YEAR BECAUSE
THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY
WOULD HAVE A CONTROL MOVE BACK
TO THE CENTRE.
THAT THE COMMON SENSE
REVOLUTION WAS OVER.
THAT IT WAS TIME TO BE
MANAGERIAL CONSERVATIVES AND
SHOW THAT YOU COULD GIVE
ONTARIO GOOD GOVERNMENT RATHER
THAN PHILOSOPHICAL GOVERNMENT.
WELL IT, HAS ALL FALLEN APART.
FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS.
HYDRO, THE OBVIOUS MESS.
UM, TAX PROBLEMS.
PROBLEMS WITH THE RIGHT WING OF
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY THAT PUT
THEM INTO POWER.
AND HASN'T MUCH LIKED WHAT'S
BEEN SEEN.
AND CULMINATING IN THE ABSOLUTE
AND TOTAL FIASCO OF THE MAGNA
BUDGETS.
WHICH I THINK HAS TO BE OF-- TO
HAVE BEEN THE GOOFIEST ACT OF AN
ONTARIO GOVERNMENT IN MY-- GOOF
GOOFIEST ACT OF AN ONTARIO
GOVERNMENT IN MY MEMORY.

Paula says WE'LL PULL APART
EVERYTHING, INCLUDING HYDRO.
BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK EVES'
BIGGEST MISTAKE THERE.
JUDGING FROM THE LANGUAGE IN
THE END, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S THE
BUDGET NICE CO.

Michael says I THINK IT'S THE SINGLE
BIGGEST MISTAKE.
BUT THE-- BUDGETS FIASCO.
BUT THE PROBLEM THAT THEY'VE
IT-- THEY'VE HAD IS THAT THEY
HAVE ERODED THEIR CREDIBLE.
AS THEY LOOK AROUND FOR A
PLATFORM AND THEY'VE DONE FOCUS
GROUPS.
AND THE-- IS THEY GET INTO THE
SAME SITUATION THAT I THINK THE
PQ IS IN QUEBEC.
THAT WHATEVER YOU SAY PEOPLE
DON'T BELIEVE YOU OR TRUST YOU.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YOU
REALLY HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM.

Paula says LET'S GET A REPORT
CARD FROM EACH AND EVERY ONE OF
YOU AND THEN LOOK BACK AT THE
BIG ISSUES.
RUTH, HOW DO YOU THINK MISTER EVES
DID IN THE FIRST YEAR?

The caption changes to "Ruth Grier. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."

Ruth is in her sixties, with short straight white hair. She wears a yellow blouse and a patterned sweater vest.

She says WELL, I THINK MICHAEL DID IT
VERY WELL WITH THE BUDGET
BEING THE MAGNA CUM LAUDE
GRADUATION INTO THE DISASTER.
I SAID WHEN HE RAN FOR THE
LEADER HE HADN'T FOR ME DEFINED
WHERE HE WANTED TO GO AND WHAT
HE WANTED TO DO WITH ONTARIO.
AND I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY
THAT IT'S NO CLEARER NOW.
AND WHEN HE CHANGED POSITION
AND BECAME IN AS KIND OF A
KINDER GENTLER VERSION OF MIKE
HARRIS, THERE'S WAS NO CLEAR
SENSE OF DIRECTION OF HOW HE
WOULD DO THAT.
SO IN ATTEMPTING TO IMPLEMENT
THINGS DIFFERENTLY, THERE HAVE
BEEN SOME MISTAKES OF SUBSTANCE
AND SOME MISTAKES OF JUDGMENT.
MANY OF WHICH WERE REACT TO GO
A CRISIS, AS IN THE HYDRO
SITUATION.
AND, UM, AND PUTTING IN A
FREEZE ON RATES.
WHICH IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY
DIFFICULT TO GET OUT OF.
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO LONG-TERM
GAME PLAN.
AND NO VISION AS TO WHAT,
IN FACT, THEY WANTED TO DO
ABOUT POWER.
WHICH IS FUNDAMENTAL TO OUR
WHOLE ECONOMY.

Paula says I'LL DO SOME QUICK
ANALYSIS HERE.
I'M GOING TO SUSPECT THAT
RICHARD MAHONEY IS GOING TO
CONTINUE TO LOAD ON THE CREDITS
SCHISM, BLAIR, AND WE'LL GIVE
YOU THE LAST WORD.
WADE IN THERE.

The caption changes to "Richard Mahoney. Ontario Liberal Advisor."

Richard is in his early fifties, clean-shaven and with short wavy gray hair. He wears a blue suit, white shirt and patterned tie.

He says WELL, FIRST OF ALL,
SURPRISING HAS-- TWO POINTS,
ONE, ECHOING RUTH'S POINT A
BIT.
I THINK THAT MISTER EVES HAS YET--
WE HAVE THAT HE'S A FISCAL
CONSERVATIVE WITH A SOCIAL
CONSCIENCE AND NOW THE RIGHT
WING.
I DON'T THE ANIMATING SORT OF
THING THAT DRIVES ERNIE EVE
INSIDE PUBLIC OFFICE.
AND I THINK THE RECORD, THE
PROOF OF THAT IS IF YOU LOOK
BACK OVER THE YEAR, YOU LISTED PAULA IN
THE OPENING PIECE THERE THE
THINGS-- THE EVENS OF THE YEAR.
THERE'S NOT REALLY ONE SINGLE
ACCOMPLISHMENT YOU CAN POINTS
TO IN A WHOLE YEAR OF OFFICE TO
SAY ERNIE EVES IS THE PREMIER
THAT-- THAT STANDS FOR BLANK.
UM, WHAT YOU HAVE IS THAT
A NUMBER OF ISSUES WHICH HE'S
MANAGED AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF
TIMES THAT HE'S CHANGED.
THINK OF ONE ISSUE THAT HE GOT
RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
AND I THINK THE SECOND THING,
BECAUSE OF THE REASON MISTER
BLISS POINTS OUT THAT HE HASN'T
MENTIONED BEFORE, I DON'T THINK
THAT YOU CAN TALK TO A
CONSERVATIVES WITH--
CONSERVATIVE WITH THE POSSIBLE
EXCEPTION OF BLAIR, MY
COLLEAGUE HERE, WITHOUT
WORRYING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING
HERE.
I THINK YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT
SUPPORTED JIM FLAHERTY THINKING
THAT THEY MADE THE WRONG
CHOICE.
MORE RIGHTS.
HAD A MORE CLEAR CONSERVATIVE
VISION BEFORE THE PARTY.
JUST, JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE
SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS
WONDERING HOW THEY'RE GOING TO
POSSIBLY PULL THIS ONE OUT OF
THE FIRE.

Paula says BLAIR, IT'S NOT
REALLY 3-1.

The caption changes to "Blair McCreadie. President, Ontario PC Party."

Blair is in his late thirties, clean-shaven and with short wavy graying hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt and a striped tie in different shades of gray.

He says I'M NOT SURE WHICH, WHICH
COMMENT I SHOULD ADDRESS FIRST.
UM, THINK THAT IT HAS BEEN A
CHALLENGING YEAR FOR THE
GOVERNMENT.
BUT I THINK THAT-- THAT THE,
UM, THAT THE PREMIER HAS
PERFORMED WELL.
UM, I THINK THAT ERNIE EVE HAS
CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED THAT HE'S
SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT--
THAT ONTARIO-- EVES HAS CLEARLY
DEMONSTRATED THAT HE'S SOMEONE
WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT ONTARIO
NEEDS AN ECONOMY TO PAY FOR THE
SERVICE THAT IS ONTARIO NEEDS.
CONTRARY TO WHAT RICHARD JUST
SAID, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS
ACCOMPLISHED A LOT IN ITS FIRST
12 AMONGST OF THE ON THE
ECONOMIC SIDE, UM, ONTARIO,--
IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS.
ON THE ECONOMIC SIDE, UM,
ONTARIO HAD A 8.3 ECONOMIC
GROWTH LAST YEAR.
LEADING THE G-7 NATIONS.
WE ALSO, UM, RICHARD, CREATED
228,000 JOBS.
NOW, NOW, UM, NOW TO GO ON TO
THE OTHER SIDE, THE INVESTMENTS
AND KEY PRIORITIES, UM, I THINK
THE GOVERNMENT'S RECORD IS
ACTUALLY VERY COMMENDABLE.
UM, WE'VE PUT 2 BILLION DOLLARS MORE
INTO HEALTH CARE IN THIS FIRST
YEAR.
UM, OVER A BILLION DOLLARS MORE
INTO EDUCATION.
AND, UM, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN
THE PROCESS OF, UM, OF
INVESTING 2.6 BILLION DOLLARS INTO OUR
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
WHICH IS OUR, THE LARGEST
CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT-- THAT
WE'VE SEEN IN THAT SECTOR IN
OVER 40 YEARS.

Paula says LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY
WILL GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR THAT.
YOUR PARTY CALLING FOR EXTRA
FUNDING IN THOSE AREAS.
AREN'T YOU WILLING TO APPLAUD
ERNIE EVES ?

Ruth says I'M WILLING TO APPLAUD THAT
SOME WOULD ADDRESS IF THE
CUTBACKS THAT THE HARRIS
GOVERNMENT MADE HAS BEGUN.
BUT IT'S NEVER ENOUGH.
THEY APPOINTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE,
DOCTOR ROSANSKI TO LOOK AT PUBLIC
EDUCATION AND HE RECOMMENDS AN
AMOUNT AND THEY GIVE A LITTLE
BIT AND SAY WE'RE BEGINNING TO
RESTORE EDUCATION CUTS.
BLAIR'S EMPHASIS ON THE ECONOMY
IGNORES THE FACT THAT THE--
THAT THE CRISIS THAT'S BEEN
CREATED WITH RESPECT TO HYDRO
IS ESCALATING THE DEBT.
AND ORIGINALLY, WE WERE GOING TO
TO-- GOING TO SELL OFF HYDRO IN
ORDER TO ADDRESS THE, THE FACT
THAT IT HAD SUCH A HEAVY DEBT.
THAT DEBT IS RISING NOW.
THE--

Paula says ONE OF THE REASONS
THEY DIDN'T SELL IT OFF, RUTH,
JUST RESPOND TO THIS, HOWARD
HAMPTON, THE NDP LEADER
CAMPAIGNED VIGOROUSLY AGAINST
IT--

Ruth says ABSOLUTELY.
Ruth says SO I'M PLEASED WITH HIM.
I'M JUST TRYING TO ANSWER THEIR
OWN ARGUMENTS, WHICH WAS THEY
NEEDED TO REDUCE THE DEBT BY
SELLING HYDRO AND THEN THEY
SAID THEY DIDN'T NEED TO REDUCE
THE DEBT BY SELLING HYDRO AND
NOW THEY'RE INCREASING THE DEBT
IN THE WAY IN WHICH THEY'RE
MANAGING THE HYDRO.

Michael says SEEMS TO ME THE BOTTOM LINE
WITH HYDRO IS A LOT OF BAD
LUCK.
THAT THEY'RE PAYING THE PRICE
FOR OUR INFATUATION WITH
NUCLEAR-GENERATING STATIONS
THESE YEARS AND YOU COULDN'T
CONTROL THAT.
SO YOU FEEL A LITTLE SORRY FOR
THEM.
BLAIR'S METHOD OF FALL BACK ON
HIGH-PERFORMING ECONOMY IS, OF
COURSE, THE CLASSIC DEFENCE
THAT YOU USE.
IT'S EXACTLY THE DEFENCE THAT
THE LANDRY GOVERNMENT USED IN
QUEBEC.
THESE ARE GOOD TIMES.
ECONOMY'S PROSPERING.
SO GIVE US ANOTHER MAN AT A
TIME.
BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS
THAT IF WORKS-- MANDATE.
BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS
THAT IT WORKS BOTH WAYS.
BECAUSE YOU CAN ALSO AFFORD TO
LET SOMEONE ELSE INTO POWER IN GOOD
TIMES.
THE GOVERNMENT BECOMES KIND OF
SUPERFLUOUS.

Paula says LET'S STICK WITH THE
GOVERNMENT-- WITH THE HYDRO.
YOU MENTIONED IT AS A
CHALLENGE.
DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT GIVEN
THE POSITION THAT HYDRO WAS IN
THAT IT LOOK LIKE WE WERE
HAVING DIFFICULTY, YOU KNOW,
BEING ABLE TO GUARANTEES THAT
THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH ENERGY
GENERATION, CONSUMERS JUST
GOING CRAZY WITH WORRY ABOUT
THEIR CRATES.
DO YOU THINK ERNIE EVES HAD
ANOTHER OPTION OTHER THAN THE
ONE HE TOOK?

Richard says NOT REALLY.
I THINK WE WERE AT A CRISIS
POINT AT THAT POINT.
HE PROBABLY DID REASSURE TO A
CERTAIN EXTENT.
THE PROBLEM IS, AS
RUTH SAID, THERE'S NO PLAN.
TALKING ABOUT A SUMMER AND NEXT
WINTER WHERE WE'LL HAVE BROWN
OUTS THE NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, I THINK HE'LL TAKE
ANOTHER CRACK AT IT.
BECAUSE HE PUT IN THE LAST
BUDGETS, THE ONE NOT DELIVERED
YET, HE PUT ANOTHER 2.2 DOLLARS
BILLION IN ASSET SALES IN ORDER
TO BALANCE THE BOOKS.
SO THEY'VE BOOKED 2.2 BILLION DOLLARS
FROM SELLING SOMETHING THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO GET.
WILL THEY GET THAT 2.2
BILLION DOLLARS.
IT'S A FAIR BIT OF CHARGE AS--
CHANGE AS GEORGE BUSH WOULD
SAY.
WHERE WILL THEY GET THAT IF
HE-- IF THEY DON'T SELL HYDRO?

Paula says WILL HE TRY AND SELL
IT AGAIN IF HE'S REELECTED?

Blair says WE'VE HAD THE UNDER LINE
PRINCIPLES SURROUNDING OUR
HYDRO POLICY HAVE BEEN
CONSISTENT.
WE'VE SAID THAT YOU NEED TO
PROTECT CONSUMERS.
WE'VE SAID THAT YOU NEED TO
ENSURE THAT THERE'S A LONG-TERM
SUSTAINABLE ENERGY SUPPLY IN
THIS PROVINCE.
WE'VE SIDE THAT WE WANT TO
IMPOSE PRIVATE SECTOR
DISCIPLINE ON HYDRO.
FINALLY, WE'VE SAID THAT WE
WANT TO PAY DOWN ONTARIO HYDRO
HYDRO'S DEBT.
CONTRARY TO WHAT RUTH SAID
EARLIER, UM, WE, IN FACT, DO
HAVE A PLAN TO PAY DOWN ONTARIO
HYDRO'S DEBT.
WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GOING TO
BE ELIMINATED IN THE NEXT 15 TO
20 YEARS.

Richard says AND-- IF YOU HAVE A PLAN TO
IMPOSE PRIVATE-SECTOR
DISCIPLINE ON HYDRO, YET YOU'VE
NOW, FIRST OF ALL, THE
PRIVATIZATION OF HYDRO AND SAY
SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING
TO PRIVATIZE.
YET YOU BOOKED 2 BILLION DOLLARS IN
ASSET SALES.
ARE YOU SELLING HYDRO OR ARE YOU
NOT?

Ruth says THEY ALSO SAID THAT THE FREE
MARKET WOULD ACCOMPLISH ALL OF
OBJECTIVES.
AND I THINK THE BIG
ACKNOWLEDGMENT IS THAT THE
MARKET IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE
WAY TO MANAGE HYDRO.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE
THEM ANY CREDIT-- YOUR QUESTION
TO RICHARD WAS DID THEY DO THE
RIGHT THING?
THEY DID THE RIGHT THING,
FINALLY.
AFTER HAVING CREATED THE
PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
BY ANNOUNCE-- ANNOUNCING THEIR
PLANS FOR PRIVATIZATION.

Richard says WE ALL AGREE THEY DID THE
WRONG THING BY CAPPING THE
PRICES FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT
DECISION FOR A LONG TIME.

Paula says CAN I MOVE OUR
DISCUSSION ON A LITTLE BIT.
PAUSE WE'VE ALSO RAISED THE
ISSUE OF EDUCATION SPENDING.
AND HEALTH CARE SPENDING.
WE'VE SEEN GOVERNMENTS TRY AND
RUN ON THOSE ISSUES.
MICHAEL, A PLATE CAT HISTORIAN
HERE AS WELL.
IS THAT LIKELY TO-- A POLITICAL
HISTORIAN HERE AS WELL S THAT
LIKELY TO WORK FOR MISTER EVES AND
THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES?

Michael says TO DEAL WITH HEALTH
CARE.
FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING IS IN
AN AWFUL MESS NOW AND ALL BETS
ARE OFF AS WE MOVE INTO TOTALLY
UNKNOWN EPIDEMIC PROBLEMS.
IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT YOU DON'T
GET MORE CREDIT FOR SPENDING ON
HEALTH CARE.
EVERYONE IS ALWAYS SPENDING
MORE MONEY ON HEALTH CARE.
PEOPLE ARE NEVER SATISFIED.
I THINK EDUCATION WILL BE, UM,
WILL BE A TOUCHSTONE ISSUE.
WHENEVER WE DO HAVE AN
ELECTION.
BUT, AGAIN, SPENDING MORE ON
EDUCATION DOESN'T MATTER.
THE GET IS, WHAT GOES ON IN THE
SCHOOLS?
WHAT ARE YOUR RELATIONS WITH
THE TEACHERS' UNIONS?
AND I THINK THAT-- THAT IF
THERE'S ONE WEDGE ISSUE, UM, IT
WILL BE THAT-- THAT, UM, THAT
THE TORIES WILL TRY
AND PORTRAY THE LIBERALS AS
BEING IN THE POCKETS OF THE
TEACHERS' UNIONS.
AND IF THE TEACHERS' UNIONS ARE
AS STUPID AS THEY SOMETIMES
HAVE BEEN, THEY WILL CAUSE WORK
DISRUPTIONS AND, UM, AND MAKE
THEMSELVES EVEN MORE UNPOPULAR.

Paula says HENCE THIS TRIAL
BALLOON THAT WE'RE HEARING
ABOUT THAT PERHAPS AN OUTLAW OF
TEACHERS' RIGHT TO STRIKE.

Ruth says THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT DALTON MCGUINTY AT THIS
AND FLAHERTY PICKED UP ON,
OUTLAWING TEACHERS STRIKES.
IT'S COMING.
I WANT TODAY ADD TO THE
EDUCATION PROBLEM THAT THE
GOVERNMENT HAS WHICH IS THE
POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION.
AND I THINK THE RESULTS OF
DOUBLE COHORT AND WHAT WILL
HAPPEN OVER THE SUMMER AS
FAMILIES REALIZE THEIR STUDENTS
MAY NOT GET THE UNIVERSITY OF
THEIR CHOICE, IS GOING TO BE
ANOTHER CHALLENGE.

Michael says BLAIR WAS RIGHT ON THAT.
AND SURELY RUTH, YOU HAVE
20 GIVE CREDIT FOR-- TO THIS
GOVERNMENT FOR DOING SOME
THINGS RIGHT.
THEY'RE STARTING TO GET THEIR
SECONDARY, UM, EDUCATION ACT
TOGETHER.
AND PROPERLY FUNDING IT.
AND THE UNIVERSITIES FOR THE
MOST PART ARE HAPPY RIGHT NOW.
WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH IT.

Blair says EXACTLY.

Ruth says THE RESULTS OF THAT WILL
COME IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.
WE'RE GOING TO SEE FOR THE NEXT
YEAR THINKING POLITICALLY ABOUT
THEM GOING TO THE PEOPLE.
UM, SO-- SOME CONFUSION IN THE
UNIVERSITY SECTOR.

Richard says TO GO WITH-- JUST ON THE
HEALTH CARE, I THINK THE
GOVERNMENT, IT'S FAIR TO SAY
THAT THE-- THAT IT'S HARD TO
CRITICIZE THE GOVERNMENT FOR NOT
SPENDING ENOUGH MONEY ON HEALTH
CARE.
I MEAN, WE'RE SPENDING UP TO
25 BILLION DOLLARS RIGHT NOW.
SO I KNOW THAT-- THAT IT'S
FASHIONABLE TO SAY THE CUTS ARE
HORRIBLE AND SO FORTH.
THE PROBLEM-- THE GOVERNMENT'S
FAILURE OF HEALTH CARE SIN THE
FAILURE TO SPEND ENOUGH MONEY.
THE GOVERNMENT'S FAIL IN YOUR
HEALTH CARE IS IN SPENDING THAT
MUCH MONEY WE GOT NO REAL
REFORM IN THE SYSTEM IN THE
LAST SEVEN YEARS MUCH DON'T
HAVE PRIMARY CARE REFORM.
SO PEOPLE CONTINUE TO RUN TO
THE EMERGENCY ROOM WHEN THEY'RE
SICK OR THE CHILDREN ARE SICK.
THAT'S NOT CHANGED SINCE 1995.
ON EDUCATION, THE SINGLE
BIGGEST FAILURE IS, UM,
IS SO FAR IS THE-- IS
THE CRISIS IN EDUCATION OVER
THE LAST SEVEN YEARS AND THEN
THE FAILURE TO PUT IN THE
ROSANSKI REPORT.
ON EDUCATION, MICHAEL BLISS IS
RIGHT, WHAT THE TORIES ARE
BEGGING FOR RIGHT NOW IS FOR
WORK ACTION OR STRIKE BY A
TEACH OTHERS THAT THEY CAN
BRING IN THEIR WEDGE ISSUE
POLITICS AND OUTLAW STRIKES FOR
TEACHERS AND RUN ON IT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE HOPING
AGAINST HOME WILL HAPPEN.

Blair says YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO STEP IN
ON THIS.
ON THE ISSUE IF EDUCATION, MISTER EVES
SHOWED TREMENDOUS LEADERSHIP
WHEN HE FIRST TOOK OFFICE BY
SAYING, LET'S REVIEW THE
CURRENT FUNDING FORMULA AND
SEND OUT DOCTOR ROSANSKI TO DO HIS
REPORT.
RESULT OF THE-- AS A RESULT OF
THE REPORT THAT'S DELIVERED,
FIRST, PUT 400 MILLION DOLLARS BACK
INTO THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE
SPRING OF THE LAST YEAR.
SINCE DOCTOR ROSANSKI'S REPORT HAS
COME OUT, PUT IN 340 MILLION DOLLARS
MORE FOR TEACHERS’ SALARIES
AND 250 MILLION DOLLARS MORE FOR
SPECIAL EDUCATION-- FOR
TEACHERS' SALARIES.
250 MILLION DOLLARS MORE FOR SPECIAL
EDUCATION AND ARE SPENDING A
RECORD 3.2 BILLION DOLLARS IN
EDUCATION EVERY YEAR.
AS WE SAW IN THE BUDGET LAST
WEEK THAT, TREND IS GOING TO
CONTINUE.

Paula says LET'S AGREE TO
DISAGREE ON THAT.
BECAUSE IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REAL
THREAT OF S.A.R.S.
I WANT TO GET A SENSE, I WANT
TO TALK ABOUT THE POLITICS OF
THIS.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE MOST
REMARKABLE THINGS THAT, YOU
KNOW THAT, OPINION MAKERS ARE
WRITING ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT
THEY SEE A TREMENDOUS CHANGE IN
THE POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY AND
POSITIONING OF MISTER EVES.
MICHAEL, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT
FOR A MOMENT.
HE SAID HE WOULDN'T BE MIKE
MARIS.
IS HE BECOMING MIKE HARRIS
AGAIN-- MIKE HARRIS.

Michael says I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS WHAT
HE'S BECOMING BECAUSE HE'S
WAITING FOR THE ADVISORS TO DO
THEIR POLLING AND WORK WITH
THEIR FOCUS GROUPS AND TELL HIM
WHERE THEY THINK THEY MIGHT GO.
WE'VE HAD THAT ABSURD LEAKING
OF POSSIBLE PLANKS, MAYBE WE'RE
IN FAVOUR OF DEDUCTING MORTGAGE
INTEREST.
MAYBE WE'RE AGAINST TEACHERS'
STRIKE.
YOU KNOW, UM, AND THIS IS A
PARTY DESPERATE TO FIND ITS
WAY.
BECAUSE IT'S LOST ITS
WAY.
IT HASN'T FOUND IT-- I THINK IT
MIGHT BE A MISTAKE IF IT TRIED
TO MOVE BACK TO THE RIGHT AND
TO TRY TO BECOME MIKE HARRIS
ALL OVER AGAIN.
FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THE
TEACHERS' STRIKES THING IS
SOMETHING I WOULD BE VERY
WORRISOME.
WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO DO IS FIND
THE VITAL CENTRE.

Blair shakes his head.

Paula says FIND A VITAL CENTRE.
BLAIR, YOU WERE SHAKING YOUR
HEAD.
ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THEY'RE
GOING THROUGH THE POLLS EVERY
DAY AND WRITING NEW POLICY.
THAT'S WHAT THE CRITICS SAY.

Blair says THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE.
I THINK THAT THE ONTARIO THAT
ERNIE EVES BECAME PREMIER OF IN
2002 WAS VERY DIFFERENT FROM
THE ONTARIO THAT EXISTED IN
1995 WHEN MIKE HARRIS FIRST
CAME TO OFFICE.
MIKE HARRIS IN-- IN SEVEN
YEARS, UM, REALLY FOCUSED ON
TURNING AROUND ONTARIO'S
ECONOMY.
AND MAKING SURE THAT THE
ECONOMIC FUNDAMENTALS WERE
THERE.
I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN THE
ERNIE EVES GOVERNMENT DO IN THE
LAST YEAR IS FOCUS ON
MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ECONOMIC
FUNDAMENTALS STAY AS THEY ARE.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN THEN GO OUT
THERE AND PAY FOR AND
INVEST IN, UM, THE SERVICES
THAT THOSE IN ONTARIO NEED
GOING FORWARD.

Paula says IN THE LAST FEW
SECOND BEFORE WE MOVE ON, GIVE
ME ONE CLEAR NEW POLICY
INITIATIVE THAT WE MIGHT SEE
FROM ERNIE EVES.

Blair says WELL, WE'LL CERTAINLY, UM,
WAIT TO SEE WHAT, UM, WHAT THE
PLATFORM SAYS.
BUT I THINK THE BUDGET THAT WAS
DELIVERED LAST WEEK, UM,
CLEARLY SHOWS WHAT THE TRENDS
WILL BE GOING FORWARD IN TERMS
OF STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS IN
HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION AND--
AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

Paula says WELL, RUTH--

Ruth says ENVIRONMENT GOT MENTIONED
FINALLY.

Paula says RUTH SAYING THE--
SHAKING THE HEAD THERE.
COMING UP, WE HAVE WORD THAT
THE S.A.R.S. OUTBREAK WOULD BE
ON THE VERGE OF SPREADING INTO
THE GENERAL-- COULD BE ON THE
VERGE OF SPREADING INTO THE
GENERAL COMMUNITY.
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

A clip rolls with the caption "Tony Clement. Health Minister."

Tony is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven and with short wavy brown hair.

He says THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO
CONTINUE PUBLIC HEALTH
DIRECTIVES REGARDING S.A.R.S.
SYMPTOMS AND THE ISOLATION
RULES.
THERE CAN BE NO SHORT CUTS.
AND THERE CAN BE NO EXCEPTIONS.
ALL OF US MUST DO OUR PARTS.

Paula says ON THE POLITICAL
FRONT, ERNIE EVES SAYS IT COULD
COST TENSES OF BILLIONS TO
DEPEND-- COST TENS OF BILLIONS
TO DEPEND ALL OF THOSE HURT BY
THE-- COMPETENT ALL OF THOSE
HURT.
AND HE SAYS IT'S A NON-STARTER.
PREMIER IS QUICK TO SHOW
SUPPORT FOR THOSE WHOSE
ECONOMIC FORTUNES HAVE SUFFERED
BECAUSE OF THE MEDICAL DISEASE.
MICHAEL, ALSO A MEDICAL
HISTORIAN, PUT THE HAT ON.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE PATTERNS HAVE
BEEN IN SOCIETY.
IS THIS A TIME WHEN GOVERNMENT
SHOULD BE STEPPING IN AND
HELPING OUT PEOPLE EFFECTED BY
THE DISEASE?

Michael says GOVERNMENTS CAN'T, UM, CAN
FIGHT VIRUSES VERY EFFECTIVELY.
AND, UM, AND IN THE PAST,
GOVERNMENTS SHIED AWAY FROM
COMPENSATING PEOPLE.
BUT THAT STATEMENT BY THE
PREMIERS WAS TOO SWEEPING.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT-- THAT, UM,
THAT A LITTLE BIT OF
CONSIDERATION OF CERTAIN
SELECTIVE CASES MIGHT BE COMFORT
COMFORTING.
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE
LOOKING INTO IT RATHER THAN
GIVING IT THE BACK OF ITS HAND.
BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT A REALLY
SERIOUS SITUATION ON OUR HANDS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT
POLITICIANS SHOULD, SHOULD JUST
SORT OF RULE OUT, UM, ANYTHING.

Paula says JUST GET BLAIR'S REACTION QUICK
TO THAT.
ANY CONCERN THAT THE REMARKS
THAT THE PREMIER MADE ABOUT
COMPETITION COULD BE
INTERPRETED AS TOO CALLOUS GIVEN
THE CIRCUMSTANCES?

Blair says NO, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN
ONTARIO HAS SEEN THAT THE
GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO HAS TAKEN
GREAT LEADERSHIP IN THE HEALTH
FRONT.
AND ANYONE THAT'S SEEN MINISTER
CLEMENT OR JAMES YOUNG ON
TELEVISION IN THE LAST FEW DAYS
WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT--
THAT ALSO, UM, AT THIS POINTS,
ONTARIO OWES A GREAT DEAL OF
GRATITUDE FOR THE FRONT LINE
HEALTH WORKERS OUT THERE THAT
ARE DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE.

Ruth says THERE'S A WHOLE ELEMENT OF
THIS COMPETITION ISSUE THAT I
AGREE WITH MIKE ON-- COMPETITION
ISSUE THAT I AGREE WITH MIKE
ON... WE HAVE LOW-PAID WORKERS
AT BAY CREST THAT ARE SUPPOSED
TO BE IN QUARANTINE SHOWING UP
TO WORK.
THEY'RE SHOWING UP BECAUSE THEY
HAVE TO PAY THE RENTS.
SO IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO OBSERVE
AND, UM, STAYING HOME FOR TEN
DAYS, WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT
THAT THEY DO FOR ALL OF US,
THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY TO
SURVIVE.

Paula says HOW SHOULD THEY DO
IT?

Ruth says I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
MECHANISM IS.
I'M GLAD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
HAS REDUCED THE WAITING TIME
FOR UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE.
BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF
COMPETITION THAT WE ALL NEED TO
BE IN-- COMPENSATION THAT WE
ALL NEED TO BE IN PLACE SO THAT
WE CAN ALL BE PROTECTED.

Michael says THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU'RE
WORK IN THE DARK AND THE EVENTS
ARE MOVING FASTER THAN WE CAN
RESPOND TO THEM.
THE PERFECTLY OBVIOUS ANSWER IS
BAY CREST OUGHT TO HAVE, UM,
OUGHT TO HAVE OFFERED TO
COMPETENT ITS OWN WORK--
WORKER WHEN THEY'RE SICK.
AND AT LOVE ENLIGHTENED
EMPLOYERS ARE DOING THAT.
YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
I HAVE A LOT OF SYMPATHY FOR
THOSE HEALTH WORKERS CAUGHT UP
IN THIS.
ALMOST MIKE THE AMERICANS--
LIKE THE AMERICANS AND THE
MILITARY ARE FIGHTING, YOU WANT
TO GIVE THEM THE SUPPORT.

Richard says YOU WANT TO ELIMINATE IT TO
PLACE ARE WHERE-- PLACES WHERE
THERE ARE QUARANTINES.
AND TRYING TO RELY ON EMPLOYERS
TO COMPETENT WORKERS.
AND IT'S RIGHT.
OUR PUBLIC HEALTH
OFFICIALS ARE DOING HEROIC
WORK.
MUST BE WORKING 22, 23-HOUR
DAYS IN DOING THIS.
THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE
HERE IS A BIT OF A MISREAD BY
THE PREMIER IN TERMS OF SERIOUS
SERIOUSNESS OF THIS.
IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT THING FOR
POLITICIANS TO KNOW HOW TO HANDLE
THIS.
THERE'S NO RULES BOOK ON
HOW-- ON HOW TO HANDLE THIS.
THERE'S NO RULE BOOK ON HOW TO
DO THIS.

Paula says HE'S CRITICIZED FOR
NOT GETTING OUT TO THE CHINESE
COMMUNITY EARLIER.

Richard says HE WAS ABOUT THE LAST
PERSON.
PRIME MINISTER AND PAUL MARTIN
AND OTHER POLITICIANS CAME IN
TO SAY IT'S STILL SAFE TO WALK
AROUND THE COMMUNITY IN TORONTO
OR GOING AROUND THE CHINESE
COMMUNITIES.
SECOND READ-- PROFESSOR BLISS
IS RIGHT.
WE COULD BE IN SITUATIONS WHERE
BUSINESS ARE QUARANTINED AND
YOU NEED TO BE-- YOU NEED TO
HAVE SOME, TO ENCOURAGE
EMPLOYERS TO PROVIDE
COMPENSATION OR PUTTING IN A
FUND FOR EMPLOYERS THAT SIMPLY
CAN'T HANDLE THAT.
THERE SHOULD BE SOME POLICY
FRAMEWORK FOR THAT.
THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

Paula says GIVE ME A QUICK ANSWER
BEFORE PLAYER JUMPS ALL OVER
YOU.
THERE'S A SUGGESTION THAT WE
MAY PUT ELECTRONIC BRACELETS ON
THOSE PEOPLE NOT RESPECTING THE
QUARANTINE.
GOOD IDEA?

Richard says UM, I THINK THAT-- THAT, UM,
THAT IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO
THAT.
I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

Paula says GUT INSTINCT?

Richard says GUT INSTINCT ON THOSE THAT
DON'T RESPECT THE QUARANTINE,
YOU NEED THE FULL FORCE OF THE
LAW ON THEM.

Paula says HAS THE PREMIER DONE
A GOOD JOB?

Blair says LOOK, I THINK HE HAS ON THIS
ISSUE.
I THINK THE PREMIER WAS NOT--
NOT ONLY TO CHINA TOWN AND HAD
LUNCH AS RICHARD SAID.
BUT HE ALSO AGREED TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE ONTARIO
GOVERNMENT-- AND THE ONTARIO
GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN THE FIRST
ONE AT THE TABLE TO SIT DOWN
WITH THE CHINESE COMMUNITY TO
PARTICIPATE IN A
S.A.R.S. ECONOMIC FORUM THAT
THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING AT THE
EN OF THE MONTH.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE
COMPENSATION ISSUE, I THINK
THAT-- THAT THERE ARE, UM, A
VARIETY OF, UM, OF NETWORKS OUT
THERE THAT WE NEED TO DRAW
UPON.
UM, WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT WHAT EMPLOYERS CAN DO TO
ASSIST THEIR EMPLOYEES.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE
SICKNESS BENEFITS UNDER, UM,
UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE.
AND THERE'S ALSO, UM, ALSO A
FEDERAL FUND, UM, FOR, FOR-- TO
ASSIST PROVINCE INSIDE
SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
THAT I UNDERSTAND MINISTER
CLEMENT HAS ALREADY WRITTEN TO
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON TO
REQUEST THAT KIND OF
ASSISTANCE.

Paula says RUTH?

Ruth says I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD
DENY THAT A GOOD JOB HAS BEEN
DONE AS FAR AS THEY CAN AT THIS
POINT.
MY FEAR IS THAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN
OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS IS HOW
VERY THIN THE SYSTEM HAS BEEN
STRETCHED.
OVER THE PAST FIVE OR SIX
YEARS.
AND, AND PEOPLE ON THE FRONT
LINES, UM, CAN ONLY WORK AT THE
LEVEL THAT THEY'RE NOW WORKING
FOR A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME.
AND MY WORRY IS THAT IF WE
DON'T BEGIN TO, TO PROVIDE
MORE STAFF AND MORE RESOURCES
TO ALL OF THOSE HOSPITAL THAT
IS ARE COPING WITH THIS AND
PUBLIC HEALTH UNIONS, UM-- AND
PUBLIC HEALTH YOU UNDERSTAND,
THE WHOLE THING MAY JUST
COLLAPSE.
THE FACT THAT HOSPITALS HAVE
HAD TO TURN AWAY OTHER
SURGERIES IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH
S.A.R.S. SHOWS THAT THERE WAS
NO, WAS NO FLEXIBILITIES LEFT
IN THE SYSTEM WHATSOEVER.
AND I HOPE WE'VE LEARNED THE
LESSON THAT WE SHOULD NEVER
AGAIN TRIM THINGS TO THE EXTENT
THAT IT'S HAPPENED.

Paula says I THINK WE'RE INDEED
LIVING IN GRIM TIMES.
BUT I APPRECIATE YOU BEING
HERE, MICHAEL BLISS.
HELPING US TO UNDERSTAND IT
FURTHER.
RUTH GRIER AND BLAIR
MCCREADIE AND RICHARD MAHONEY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
HERE.

Michael says THANK YOU.

Paula says THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR
THIS WEEK.
I'M PAULA TODD.
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

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