Transcript: Speaking Out on Federal Responsibilities | Apr 13, 2003

The opening sequence rolls.

Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

A clip shows a gavel banging against a desk, and MPPs voting in the Legislature.

Steve says THIS WEEK ON "4TH
READING," TAKING A STAND.

A clip shows Ernie Eves speaking.

He’s in his mid-fifties, clean-shaven and with short graying hair neatly combed back.

Eves says IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR
AMERICAN NEIGHBOURS TO KNOW
THAT YOU DO HAVE FRIENDS HERE.

Steve says ONTARIO'S PREMIER
LENDS HIS SUPPORT
TO THE US-LED WAR ON IRAQ.

Steve Paikin sits in the studio with 4 guests.

Steve is in his early forties, clean-shaven and with short curly brown hair. He wears a black suit and a black shirt.

Steve says GOOD AFTERNOON,
EVERYBODY.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN.
WELCOME TO "4TH READING" FOR
THIS WEEK.
THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL
ELOQUENT AND NOT SO ELOQUENT
DEBATES IN THE PARLIAMENT, ALL
ON THE SUBJECT OF CANADA'S LACK
OF PARTICIPATION IN THE WAR ON
IRAQ.
IRONICALLY, SOME OF THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL
COMMENTS THAT PROMPTED DEBATE
DIDN'T COME FROM THE PRIME
MINISTER OR LEADER OF THE
OPPOSITION OR ANY MILITARY
OBSERVER.
THEY CAME FROM THE PREMIER OF
ONTARIO.

Another clip shows Eves at a political rally.

He says FRIENDS OF AMERICA, THAT IS
WHO WE AS CANADIANS ARE.

Steve says ERNIE EVES ATTENDED A
PRO U.S.A. RALLY, STAGED BY THE
FRIEND TO AMERICA.
HE CRITICIZED CANADA'S REFUSAL
TO SEND MILITARY TROOPS TO
IRAQ.
AND HE ALSO SENT A LETTER TO
BOTH THE U.S. AMBASSADOR AND
PRESIDENT GEORGE W BUSH,
SUPPORTING THE U.S.-LED WAR IN
IRAQ.
A MOVE MANY IN THE EVES'
GOVERNMENT SAY WAS NEED TODAY
FEND FENCES BETWEEN THE U.S AND
ONTARIO.

A fast clip shows images of the war in Iraq.

A clip rolls with the caption "Bob Runciman. Minister of Public Security."

Bob is in his mid-sixties, clean-shaven and with short straight red hair.

Bob says THE PREMIER'S DECISION, I
THINK IT WAS THE APPROPRIATE
ONE.
I THINK IT CERTAINLY MOST
OF MY CONSTITUENTS ARE VERY
SUPPORTIVE.
WE'RE A BORDER COMMUNITY AND
BORDER RIDING AND FEEL CLOSE TO
OUR AMERICAN FRIENDS.

The caption changes to "David Tsubouchi. Chair of Management Board."

David is in his mid-fifties, with short receding black hair and a beard.

He says THEY'RE OUR BIGGEST TRADING
PARTNER.
I THINK THEY'RE A SIGNIFICANT
FRIEND OF OURS.
WE DO ALL OF OUR BUSINESS WITH
MICHIGAN, NEW YORK, AND ALL THE
BORDERING STATES.

Steve says BUT MANY IN ONTARIO
THINK THE PREMIER SHOULD LEAVE
WELL ENOUGH ALONE.

The caption changes to "Howard Hampton. Ontario NDP Leader."

Howard is in his late forties, clean-shaven and with short straight blond hair.
He says ONTARIO HAS NO BUSINESS ON
COMMENTING ON INTERNATIONAL OR
FOREIGN AFFAIRS.
THAT'S REALLY A ROLE FOR THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

The caption changes to "Dalton McGuinty. Ontario Liberal Leader."

McGuinty is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven and with short wavy brown hair.

He says HE'S PUTTING ALL OF HIS
ATTENTION THESE DAYS TO, UM, TO
NATIONAL ISSUES.
AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS.
THIS JUST TELLS ME THAT HE IS
DESPERATE TO CHANGE THE
SUBJECT.
BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE ANSWERS
TO THE CONCERNS THAT THOSE IN
ONTARIO HAVE.

Steve says HOWEVER, AS HOPED,
THE NEW YORK GOVERNMENT--
GOVERNOR SAYS THAT HIS STATE,
ONE OF OUR LARGEST TRADING
PARTNERS, WELCOMES THE SUPPORT
OF THE ONTARIO WITH THE WAR ON
IRAQ.

The caption changes to "George Pataki. Governor of New York."

George is in his early fifties, clean-shaven and with short wavy graying hair.

He says I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHERE
NEW YORKERS AND THOSE IN
ONTARIO TOGETHER SHOW THAT WE
STAND TOGETHER AND WE
APPRECIATE THE RULE OF LAW AND
RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE AND THE
FREEDOMS THAT MADE CANADA AND
THE UNITED STATES SUCH
WONDERFUL LACES-- PLACES.

Steve says SHOULD ANYONE IN THIS
COUNTRY BE PERMITTED TO GIVE
THEIR OPINION?
OR MIND THEIR BUSINESS AND
STICK TO COMMENTING ON TAXES
AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE A PERFECT GUEST FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
JANICE STEIN, DIRECTOR OF THE
MUNK CENTRE FOR INTERNATIONAL
STUDIES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
TORONTO.
NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE.
IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR A
CHANGE.

Janice says THANK YOU.

Steve says YOU KNOW THE FOLKS ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE.
RUTH GRIER, FORMER NDP CABINET
MINISTER.
RICHARD MAHONEY.
AND A FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE
ONTARIO LIBERALS, BLAIR
MCCREADIE, THE NEW PRESIDENT OF
THE ONTARIO PC PARTY.

The caption changes to "Janice Stein. University of Toronto."

Janice is in her mid-fifties, with short wavy gray hair. She wears a white turtleneck sweater, a black blazer and a pair of hoop earrings.

Steve says DID ERNIE EVES, A
PROVINCIAL POLITICIAN, MAKE A
MISTAKE ABOUT TALKING ABOUT
INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS?

Janice says LET'S DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A
POLITICAL MISTAKE AND A LEGAL
MISTAKE.
I THINK THAT ANY PREMIER IN
THIS COUNTRY HAS A RIGHT TO
SPEAK OUT IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS.
THIS IS AN OLD STORY IN THIS
COUNTRY.
UM, RENE LEVEC, HE OFTEN
TRAVELLED TO FRANCE AND MET
WITH THE PRESIDENT OF FRANCE.
AND--

Steve says LEVEC'S DIFFERENT.
HE THOUGHT HE WAS THE PRESIDENT
OF THE NATION OF QUEBEC.

Janice says HE WASN'T VERY DIFFERENT IN
THE SENSE THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WASN'T HAPPY THAT--
WHEN HE DID IT.
AND MADE THE SAME ARGUMENTS
EXACTLY THAT WE'RE HEARING THEM
MAKE TODAY.
SO FEDERAL OFFICIALS GUARD
THEIR TURF WHEN THIS COMES TO
FOREIGN POLICY.
BUT WE HAVE PROVINCIAL PREMIERS
WHO WENT ON TRADE MISSIONS.
UM, AND WE HAVE CITIES IN THIS
COUNTRY.
UM, WHERE MAYORS TWIN WITH
OTHER MAYORS.
UM, ABROAD.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME KIND OF A-- A
19TH CENTURY VIEW OF THE WORLD
THAT THE OLD-- ONLY PEOPLE WHO
CAN SPEAK ABOUT FOREIGN AFFAIRS
IN THIS COUNTRY, UM, ARE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Steve says OKAY.
BUT THIS WAS NOT DRUMMING UP
BUSINESS.
THIS WAS DIFFERENT.
THIS WAS REPUDIATING THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S POLICY ON
WAR.
SOME WILL ASK, SINCE IT
TRADITIONAL THAT PROVINCIAL
PREMIERS LEAVE FOREIGN AFFAIRS
TO FEDERAL POLITICIANS.

Janice says THERE MAY BE SOME
EXPECTATION.
BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT
THAT EXPECTATION CAN HOLD FOR
VERY LONG.
THERE ARE ISSUES THAT-- THAT
EXCITE THE PUBLIC IN THIS
COUNTRY.
FRANKLY.
AND THE CANADA-U.S.
RELATIONSHIP IS PROBABLY ONE
THAT-- THAT GETS THE
TEMPERATURE RISING FASTER THAN
ANY OTHER ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK CANADIANS GIVE
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE
MONOPOLY TO SPEAK ON THIS
ISSUE.
IN FACT, THEY SPEAK OUT ON THIS
ISSUE.
SO-- IN FACT, THEY SPEAK OUT ON
THIS ISSUE T SEEMS ABSURD TO
SAY, PROVINCIAL PREMIER, SORRY,
TOW THE LINE BECAUSE YOU'RE A
PROVINCIAL PREMIER.

Steve says DO YOU THINK THIS
EMBARRASSED THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT THAT ERNIE EVES AND
RALPH KLEIN CAME OUT WITH
POSITIONS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?

Janice says I THINK THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IS REALISTIC.
THE FOREIGN AFFAIRS MINISTER
AND PRIME MINISTER ARE SAVVY
POLITICIANS AND UNDERSTAND THAT
THERE'S POLITICAL GAME HERE AND
THERE ARE LEGAL AND
CONSTITUTIONAL AND POLITICAL
ISSUES.
THEY'RE SAVVY.
THEY UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT--
THAT THERE ARE CONSTITUENCIES
THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE POSITION
THAT RALPH KLEIN AND ERNIE EVES
TOOK.
THAT THEY'RE PLAYING TO THOSE
CONSTITUENCIES.

Steve says RUTH, DID THE PREMIER
MAKE A MISTAKE IN YOUR OPINION?

The caption changes to "Ruth Grier. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."

Ruth is in her sixties, with short straight white hair. She wears glasses, a lilac top, purple jacket and a brooch on her lapel.

She says I THINK HE DID.
LET ME SPLIT IT IN TWO WAYS.
THE EXAMPLE THAT IS JANICE HAS
GIVEN OF PROVINCIAL PREMIERS
BEING INVOLVED IN TRADE
MISSIONS AND THINGS ARE ALL IN
SUPPORT OF THE GOVERNMENT.
I TAKE YOUR POINTS THAT THIS
WAS REPUDIATING THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
WHETHER EVES LIKES IT OR NOT,
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPEAKS
FOR US ON-- TO OTHER COUNTRIES
IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS.
ERNIE EVES SPEAKS ON BEHALF OF
THE PROVINCE ON ISSUES.
AND HE'S ATTENDED TO GIVE HIS
VIEWS AND SAY WHAT HE LIKES, AS
IS-- AS IS ANY OTHER ONE IN
ONTARIO.
BUT IT'S WRITING LETTERS TO
GEORGE BUSH AND AMBASSADOR
CELLUCI THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
3WU THE THIRD POINT, DOES ANYONE
CARE?
WILL IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE
WHAT EVES SAYS.

Steve says A LOT OF PEOPLE
NOTICE UP HERE.

Ruth says HE HOPES IT MAKES A
DIFFERENCE UP HERE.
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT WILL TEAR--
CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT IN
WASHINGTON.

Steve says LET'S SHOW AN EXCERPT
OF THE LETTER:

The excerpt appears on screen. It reads "Letter to President Bush. WE believe it’s important to support our good American neighbours because you have been our allies and our friends for many decades. Together we are our best trading partners and share the longest undefended border in the world. Americans are our friends and have always been there when we needed them."

Steve says WHAT'S SO
CONTROVERSY-- CONTROVERSIAL
ABOUT THAT?

Ruth says NOTHING.
MANY PEOPLE WOULDN'T DISAGREE
WITH THAT.
BUT I'M NOT SURE THE AMERICANS
HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE WHEN WE
NEEDED THEM ON SOFT WOOD LUMBER
OR CLEANING UP THE GREAT LAKES
OR A NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES
THAT I COULD SPEAK TO.
KYOTO.

Steve says DID YOU HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH THEM WRITING THAT
LETTER ?

The caption changes to "Richard Mahoney. Ontario Liberal Advisor."

Richard is in his early fifties, clean-shaven and with short wavy gray hair. He wears a blue suit, white shirt and patterned tie.

He says I'M WITH RUTH ON THIS.
AS JANICE SAID, EVERY CANADIAN
IS GOING TO HAVE OPINION ON THE
WAR.
AND MISTER EVES IS ENTITLED TO
THEM AS THE NEXT PERSON.
WHEN HE USES THE OFFICE OF THE
PREMIER AND GETS INTO SPEAKING
ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT.
THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO HAS
NO MANDATE FROM THOSE IN
ONTARIO TO SPEAK ON
INTERNATIONAL AND FOREIGN
AFFAIRS.
MISTER EVES CLAIMED THAT HE WOULD
SEND TROOPS INTO, UM,
INTO THE GULF.
THAT'S AN EASY THING FOR HIM TO
SAY PAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO
BEAR THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT
DECISION.
I THINK THAT-- BECAUSE HE
DOESN'T HAVE TO BEAR THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT
DECISION.
THE MORE INTERESTING QUESTION
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THOSE IN
ONTARIO ARE SPLIT.
THOSE THAT THINK WE SHOULD BE
THERE AND THOSE WHO THINK WE
SHOULDN'T BE THERE.
I THINK BOTH-- THOSE ON BOTH
SIDE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE IM
IMMATURE RHETORIC THAT'S COME
OUT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE.
MISTER EVES IS LOOKING AT HIS OWN
OPINION POLLS.
THEY'RE DOWN LOWER THAN HE
WANTS TO CALL A PROVINCIAL
ELECTION.
THOSE SUPPORTING THE WAR IN
IRAQ.
THEY'RE SOME OF THE SAME PEOPLE
THAT HE NEEDS TO BRING UP THE
CORE VOTE.
AND THEY'VE ADMITTED PUBLICLY
THEY'VE BEEN POLLING ON THIS FOR
SOMETIME SO MANY HE'S TRYING TO
SHORE UP THE CORE VOTE.
HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH
PRINCIPAL AND A LOT TO DO WITH
POLITICS.

Steve says BLAIR IS SHAKING HIS
HEAD ON THAT.
HE SAYS EVES SAID THE STATEMENT
LESS BECAUSE HE BELIEVES IT BUT
MORE TO GET VOTES COME ELECTION
TIME.
The caption changes to "Blair McCreadie. President, Ontario PC Party."

Blair is in his late thirties, clean-shaven and with short wavy graying hair. He wears a navy blue suit, blue shirt and a striped silver and blue tie.

He says I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
THE ISSUE SURROUNDING THE WAR
IN IRAQ IS A MATTER OF
CONVICTION FOR, UM, FOR PREMIER
EVES.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT MOST
CANADIANS WOULD AGREE ON IS
THAT THERE APPEARS TO BE A
VACUUM OF LEADERSHIP AT THE--
AMONG THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON
THIS ISSUE.
AND IN LIGHT OF THAT VACUUM, I
THINK THAT ERNIE EVES IS
CERTAINLY, UM, ENTITLED AS
PREMIER OF ONTARIO TO STEP
INTO DEBATE.
AND PUT FORWARD THE VIEW OF,
UM, OF WHAT I THINK IS THE
SILENT MAJORITY OF THOSE IN
ONTARIO OUT THERE THAT WOULD
SUGGEST THAT WE SHOULD BE
STANDING WITH OUR FRIENDS AND
TRADITIONAL ALLIES: THE U.S.
AND AUSTRALIA AND BRITAIN.

Steve says IF THERE'S A VACUUM;
THIS GUY RIGHT TO COME IN AND
FILL IT?

Janice says THIS HINGES ON WHAT IS
FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND WHAT ISN'T
FOREIGN AFFAIRS.
MOST PEOPLE DON'T THINK OF THE
U.S.-CANADA RELATIONSHIP AS
FOREIGN AFFAIRS.
YOU KNOW, IN THE ATLANTIC
PROVINCIALS, THEY MEET
REGULARLY WITH THE GOVERNORS OF
THE NEW ENGLAND STATES AND DEAL
WITH A WHOLE SPECTRUM.
SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT
THE U.S. IS DOING AND SOME OF
IT DOESN'T.
NO ONE RAISES A CRY.

Richard says IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US
WHO ARE TRYING TO BE SANE AND
PROFESSIONAL ON THIS ISSUE
THAT-- THAT IS THE DEAL LIKE
THIS FROM A CANADA-U.S. ISSUE
TO THE ISSUE OF THE WAR.
AND-- THE CANADA-U.S. ISSUE--

Janice says THAT'S ONLY ON THE EXTREME.

Richard says THE CANADA-U.S. ISSUE WILL
ALWAYS BE THERE.
IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT
RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE.
IT IS POSSIBLE FOR THIS COUNTRY
TO, TO DISAGREE WITH THE US ON
FOREIGN POLICY IN SOME
INSTANCES AND STILL MAINTAIN A
VERY GOOD NORTH-SOUTH
RELATIONSHIP, WHERE WE HAVE
FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND TRADE
AND ALL OF THAT SORT OF STUFF.
WE CAN DO THAT.
UM, AND IT'S NOT REALLY
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW PERHAPS,
BUT--

Janice says IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, YOU
DON'T BELIEVE IN THE CURRENT
CLIMATE IN BOTH COUNTRIES, YOU
CAN COMPLETELY DELINK THE
RELATIONSHIP FROM WHAT IS A
SUBSTANCE OF THIS AGREEMENT
BETWEEN OUR TWO GOVERNMENTS.
IF YOU READ THAT LETTER, IT'S
ACTUALLY QUITE INTERESTING.
PREMIER DOES NOT SAY THAT I
SUPPORT THE WAR.
THERE'S NO-- THE WORD WAR IS
NOT IN THAT LETTER.
THERE IS ONE INTERESTING SUB
TEXT WHEN HE SAID, WELL, THE
AMERICANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
THERE, UM , WHEN WE NEEDED
THEM.
THAT'S WHAT THE AMBASSADOR,
CELLUCI SAID, IN A SPEECH BY
THE WAY, NOT IN A LETTER TO OUR
PRIME MINISTER OR OUR MINISTER
OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS.
BUT IN A SPEECH TO THE EMPIRE
CLUB.
THAT'S IT.
WE'RE PAST THE TIME WHEN
FOREIGN AFFAIRS IS A MONOPOLY
OF THE GOVERNMENT.
OF ANY GOVERNMENT.

Steve says CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT
THIS.
MISTER EVES SAID THAT IN A LETTER,
THAT THE AMERICANS HAVE ALWAYS
BEEN THERE WHEN WE NEED THEM?
IS THAT ALWAYS TRUE.
WE WERE THERE IN FIRST IN WORLD
WAR TWO AND FIRST IN WORLD WAR
ONE.
WE WERE THERE IN VIETNAM WHEN THEY
WANTED US THERE.
WHERE IS THIS, WE'VE ALWAYS
BEEN THERE WHEN-- THEY'VE
ALWAYS BEEN THERE WHEN THEY
NEEDED-- WHEN WE NEEDED THEM.
WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM?

Blair says ONTARIO SPECIFICALLY HAS HAD
A STRONG RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR
NEIGHBOURS TO THE SOUTH.

Ruth says NOBODY DENIES THAT.

Blair says THERE'S ABOUT 375 BILLION DOLLARS
IN TRADE THAT GOES BACK AND
FORTH BETWEEN ONTARIO AND THE
U.S.
THEY-- ONTARIO IS THE, WE'RE
THEIR FOURTH LARGEST TRADING
PARTNER ON OUR OWN.

Steve says IS THIS DID--

Blair says IT'S ABOUT STANDING UP FOR
PRINCIPLES AND STICKING BY OUR
FRIENDS.
UM, AND I DON'T-- I GUESS
WE TALK ABOUT THE SORT OF THE
FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES AND WHERE
THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IS IN
ON THIS.
I THINK THAT THE CLEAREST VOICE
WE'VE HAD SO FAR OUT OF OUT
OTTAWA HAS BEEN PEOPLE LIKE
CAROLYN PARRISH AND MISTER
SHEPPARD, THE M P.
FOR DURHAM.

Steve says NOT VOICES YOU
APPROVE OF, OBVIOUSLY.

Blair says ABSOLUTELY NOT.
ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Ruth says WE'RE THERE FOR THE FRIENDS.
WE HAVE MORE SHIPS IN THE GULF.
WE'RE PROVIDING TACTICAL
SUPPORT AND ON PRINCIPLE--

Steve says FOR THE WAR ON
TERROR.
NOT IN IRAQ.

Ruth says I THOUGHT WE WERE IN IRAQ,
THE AMERICANS WERE IN IRAQ
FIGHTING THE WAR ON TERROR.
I HAVE DIFFICULTY MAKING THAT
DISTINCTION.
I CREDIT THE PRIME MINISTER
TAKING A POSITION ON PRINCIPLE
AND ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE
DISAGREEING WITH THE PRIME
MINISTER ARE USING THE ECONOMIC
ACCUSE.
I THINK THAT'S A POINT WORTH
MAKING.

Richard says IT'S EITHER FRIENDS OR
PRINCIPLE, I SUPPOSE.
AND ONE THING-- I'M EMBARRASSED
ABOUT AS A CANADIAN AS
AMBASSADOR CELLUCI POINTS OUT,
AS RUTH SAYS, WE PROBABLY HAVE
MORE TROOPS STATIONED IN THE
GULF THAN, THAN 45 OF THE 49
COALITION OF THE WILLING.

He air quotes "Willing."

He continues SO-- SO WE'RE SUPPOSEDLY
UNWILLING.
BUT WE'RE THERE.
UM, AND I--

Ruth says GOOD LIBERAL POSITION.

Richard says WELL, GOOD CANADIAN--

Blair says HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THAT?

Richard says I-- YOU KNOW WHAT?
WELL--

Janice says HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?
BECAUSE I THINK AGAIN WE'RE
DRAWING THINGS IN VERY BLACK
AND WHITE TERMS.
WE COULD DO A LOT OF THINGS
WITH THE AMERICANS AND WE HELP
THE UNITED STATES IN MANY WAYS.
THAT SHOULD GIVE US ROOM TO
DISAGREE WHERE WE DISAGREE.
I THINK--

Steve says AS LONG AS YOU'RE
PREPARED TO PAY THE PRICE.

Justice says WHY SHOULD WE HAVE TO PAY A
PRICE?

Steve says THE FACT IS WE ARE.
LET ME PUT THIS TO YOU.
I WANT TO-- I DON'T WANT TO
EXAGGERATE THIS.
BUT I'M GETTING PHONE CALLS
FROM BUSINESS PEOPLE AROUND
THIS PROVINCE.
TODAY SOMEBODY FROM NEW
HAMPSHIRE WHO CALLED AND SAID
THAT THE CANADIANS ARE CALLING
ME AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT?
PAUSE OF OUR PRIME MINISTER'S
POSITION I'M LOSING BUSINESS.
I GOT A CALL TODAY FROM
SOMEBODY IN NEW HAMPSHIRE WHO
SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT?
AS THE BIDS COME ACROSS MY DESK
IN BUSINESS, ANYBODY THAT'S A
CANADIAN RIGHT IN THE GARBAGE.
NOW IS IT BAD FOR ERNIE EVES 20
COME UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT
LET ME REMIND YOU GUYS THAT
WE'RE YOUR FRIEND.
NEVER MIND WHAT CHRETIEN SAYS,
WE'RE YOUR FRIEND.
IS THAT A BAD THING FOR HIM TO
DO?

Ruth says NO, I THINK HE CAN SAY IT.
AND I APPLAUD HIM FOR GOING TO
A RALLY.
THIS MAN ALWAYS DISMISSED THE
IMPORTANCE OF DEMONSTRATIONS
AND RALLIES AND HE'S THERE
SAYING WHAT HE WANTS TO SAY
THAT AMERICANS ARE OUR FRIEND.
NOT MANY CANADIANS WOULD
DISAGREE WITH HIM.
BUT OUR FRIEND, MANY OF US
BELIEVE, HAPPEN TO BE WRONG ON
THIS ISSUE AND BEST FRIENDS
OFTEN TELL THE TRUTH TO EACH
OTHER.
AND SAY, HEY, YOU'RE MY FRIEND,
BUT I DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU'RE
DOING IN THIS CASE.

Richard says I THINK WE GET CONFUSED.
I WAS VERY PROUD OF CANADA'S
POSITION AT THE UNITED NATION
INSIDE TRYING TO GET THE
SO-CALLED THIRD OPTION AND PLAY
FOR TIME AND THAT SORT OF
STUFF.
I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT PROUD
OF THE PEOPLE IN OTTAWA AND
ELSEWHERE WHO HAVE SINCE THE
DECISION HAS BEEN MADE TO GO TO
WAR WHO HAVE SAID IMMATURE AND
UNKIND AND CHILDISH THINGS
ABOUT OUR FRIEND.
I DON'T THINK ANY, UM, ANY
CANADIAN ON IT, ON ANY SIDE OF
THIS ISSUE, IS THAT.
BUT LET'S GO BACK-- THIS IS
GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN IN OUR
LIFE WITH THEM WHERE WE'RE
GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THEM AND
THEY'RE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH
US, AND WE OUGHT TO BE AIL
TAD-- ABLE TO DO THAT
WITHOUT HAVING THE
MULTI-BILLION DOLLARS TRADING
RELATIONSHIP HANGING OVER OUR
FRIENDS.

Steve says GO AHEAD.

Blair says I THINK AT THE END OF THE
DAY, I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE
WANTS TO SEE THAT THERE-- THAT
THERE IS STRONG LEADERSHIP AT
THE PROVINCIAL LEVEL THAT IS
GOING TO BE OUT THERE AS THE
CANADIANS FOR THEIR INTERESTS.
EVEN IF THEY'RE ECONOMIC
INTERESTS.
AND I THINK THAT, AGAIN, THE
ISSUE OF THE FREEDOM OF THE
PEOPLE OF IRAQ, I THINK; A
MATTER OF CONVICTION FOR THE
PREMIER.

Janice says BUT THE PREMIER DIDN'T SAY
ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

Blair says HE SAID THAT AT THE RALLY,
JANICE.

Janice says IN THE LETTER-- IN THE
LETTER HE SAID ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF
THE ISSUE.

Steve says IN FACT, LET'S PUT IT
TO YOU.
AND CHECK THE MONITOR OUT.
JUST OVER YOUR SHOULDER.
THIS WAS IN THE PRESS RELEASE
THAT WENT OUT FROM UNDER THE
PREMIER'S NAME.
THAT'S WHAT THE RELEASE SAID.

A slate appears with the quote that reads "I want history to remember Canada for its courage and loyalty, not its cowardice."

Steve says MISTER EVES SAID, I THINK AN OVER
ZEALOUS STAFFER PUT WORDS IN MY
MOUTH.
I DIDN'T MEAN THAT.
IS THAT OKAY.

Justice says ABSOLUTELY.
I CAN READ THAT.
I WANT CANADA TO BE REMEMBERED
FOR ITS COURAGE IN COMING TO
THE SUPPORT OF ITS AMERICAN
FRIENDS.
OR I WANT CANADA TO BE
REMEMBERED FOR ITS COURAGE IN
TELLING ITS DEAR AMERICAN
FRIENDS THE TRUTH.

Steve says THAT'S AN
INTERESTING TAKE
ON IT.

Ruth says THAT'S A VERY GENEROUS
INTERPRETATION.
MOST OF THE POPULATION--

Janice says WHAT I'M-- THE WORD WAR NEVER
COMES UP.
THAT IS, AFTER ALL, THE
SUBSTANCE IN THIS ISSUE.
WE'RE GREAT IN THIS COUNTRY OF
DUCKING IT, AREN’T WE?

Steve says I WANT TO GO TO BLAIR
ON THIS.
POLITICS IS AT THE BASE OF
EVERYTHING THAT A PREMIER OF
ONTARIO DOES.
LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT THIS.
AND IF PART OF HIS COMING OUT
AND SUPPORTING OUR AMERICAN
FRIENDS WAS TO HELP SECURE THE
BASE OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY
BECAUSE THERE'S AN ELECTION
COMING UP, THEN IT'S OKAY TO
SAY THAT THAT'S ALSO A REASON,
PRINCIPLE MAY BE A REASON AS
WELL, BUT THAT'S ALSO A REASON.
WHY WALK, YOU KNOW, WHY
DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM THE
STAFFER WHO PUT THE WORD COWARD
HIS-- COWARDICE IN THERE?

Blair says THAT'S A MINOR ISSUE, QUITE
FRANKLY.
THE PREMIER HAS BEEN CONSISTENT
ON THIS ISSUE FROM DAY ONE.
SAYING THAT HE FELT THAT, UM,
THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS
PROVINCE SHOULD STAND BESIDE,
UM, THEIR AMERICAN FRIENDS.
THEIR NEIGHBOURS, OUR ALLIES.
EVEN WHEN, WHEN, UM, WHEN THE
PUBLIC OPINION POLLS AT THE VERY
START OF THIS WAR, UM, APPEARED
TO BE DEPENDS CANADA TAKING ANY
ROLE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE
BEEN-- AGAINST CANADA TAKING
ANY ROLE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE
BEEN STICKING BY THIS POSITION.

Steve says WHY NOT CALL HIM A
COWARD IF YOU BELIEVE THAT?

Blair says I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THAT THE LIBERAL
GOVERNMENT IS DEAD WRONG ON
THIS ISSUE.
I THINK IN MAKING THE PUBLIC
STATEMENTS, THE PREMIER IS
MERELY CALLING THE NATIONAL
GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT.

Richard says I THINK THE PROVINCIAL
GOVERNMENT IS WRONG TO CALL
CANADIANS COWARDS.

Steve says HE WAS CALLING THE
PRIME MINISTER A COWARD.

Richard says SOME CANADIANS WERE USING THE
WORD COWARD.
CLEARLY AN INAPPROPRIATE WORD
OF LANGUAGE.

Ruth says THE PREMIER WAS RIGHT TO
DISTANCE HIMSELF.

Richard says IGHT.

Steve says DO YOU THINK THAT THE
PREMIER OF ONTARIO IS GOING
PUBLIC IN A SUPPORTIVE WAY,
WITH THE UNITED STATES, HAS
HELPED TO MEND FACES-- FENCES
BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES,
WHO'S RELATION ARE TERRIBLE
LATELY.

Janice says I THINK IT IS HELPFUL.
AND I THINK IT CROSSES PARTY
LINES.
UM, I THINK THAT THERE IS A
REALLY, REALLY SERIOUS
DISAGREEMENT ABOUT METHODS, NOT
MUCH IN DISAGREEMENT ABOUT
VALUES.
I THINK IF-- YOU KNOW, IF
CANADIANS WERE ASKED, UM, HOW
DO THEY REACT YESTERDAY TO THE
FALL OF SADDAM?
THERE WOULD BE AN OVERWHELMING
MAJORITY IN THIS COUNTRY, UM,
THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT OUT
COME.
THERE IS A REALLY SERIOUS
DISAGREEMENT ABOUT METHODS.
SO SAYING TO AMERICANS, WE'RE
YOUR FRIENDS, WE STAND BY YOU,
WE SHARE THE SAME VALUES AS YOU
DO.
BUT WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH
THE METHODS.
IS A POSITIVE THING TO SAY.

Steve says WE SHALL TALK ABOUT
ALL OF THESE THINGS AND MORE
TONIGHT ON "DIPLOMATIC
IMMUNITY."
JANICE, AT THIS FOR VISITING
US.
NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE.
WE'RE NOT DONE WITH YOU THREE
YET, BECAUSE COMING UP NEXT,
THE MAN WHO STEPPED ASIDE FOR
THE PREMIER RESURFACES.

A clip shows David Tsubouchi speaking to the press.

He says IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO
HAVE QUALIFICATIONS AND CREDENTIALS
AND BACK GROUND.
ARE YOU QUALIFIED TO DO THAT
PARTICULAR JOB?
IF YOU ARE, I DON'T THINK YOU
SHOULD BE EXCLUDED, WHATEVER
POLITICAL STRIPE YOU ARE.

Steve says THERE'S THE CABINET
MINISTER TALKING ABOUT DAVID
TILSON.
A GOOD MEMBER OF THE ONTARIO
LEGISLATURE.
DIDN'T WANT TO QUIT THE JOB
HE HAD, BUT DID WHEN ERNIE EVES
WANTED THE PC LEADERSHIP AND
NEEDED TO FIND A NEW SEAT.
TILSON STEPPED ASIDE AND EVES
RAN AND WON AND BOTH SIDES
INSISTED THERE'S NO QUID PRO
QUO.
BUT THIS WEEK, THEY SAID TILSON
IS APPOINTED FOR THE VICE CHAIR
OF THE MUNICIPAL BOARD.
BUT ONLY FOR A YEAR LESS A DAY.
PLAYER; THIS AN APPROPRIATE
APPOINTMENT?

Blair says IT'S ABSOLUTELY AN
APPROPRIATE APPOINTMENT.
DAVID TILSON IS QUALIFIED TO
SERVE ON THE ONTARIO MUNICIPAL
BOARD.
IN ADDITION TO HIS TIME AT
QUEEN PARK, UM, HE-- HE'S A
LAWYER.
UM, AND HE'S A FORMER MUNICIPAL
COUNCILLOR AND A PAST DIRECTOR
OF THE ASSOCIATION OF
MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO.
SO I THINK THAT HE'S-- HE'S
MORE THAN CAPABLE AND QUALIFIED
TO SIT ON THAT BOARD.

Steve says DO YOU DOUBT THAT
THIS MAN, RUTH, IS QUALIFIED TO
HOLD THE POSITION THAT-- THAT
HE'S GOT.

Ruth says I DON'T DOUBT THAT HE'S
QUALIFIED.
HE'S FAR MORE QUALIFIED THAN AN
AWFUL LOT OF APPOINTMENT THAT
IS THIS GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN
MADE.
BECAUSE THEIR RECORD ON
APPOINTMENTS IS NOT GOOD.
AND I THINK ANYONE THAT THOUGHT
THAT HE WOULDN'T GET AN
APPOINTMENT HAVING STEPPED
ASIDE FOR THE PREMIER IS NOT
EXCEPTION-- IS EXCEPTIONALLY NA
NAIVE.

Steve says YOU DON'T HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH THE APPOINTMENT?

Ruth says NO.
I WISH THEY APPOINTED PEOPLE OF
HIS CALIBRE TO A LOT OF OTHER
PLACES.

Steve says RICHARD?

Richard says I DON'T KNOW DAVID TILSON.
I SUSPECT THAT HE'S PROBABLY
QUALIFIED FOR THAT APPOINTMENT.
BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT TWO
THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, MISTER EVES, DURING
THE BY-ELECTION SAID THAT WE
HAVE GREAT-- ACCOSTED BY THE
MEMBER OF THE MEDIA, WILL YOU
APPOINT DAVID TILSON TO
SOMETHING.
AND HE GOT ALL EXCITED AND SAID,
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DID THE
RIGHT THING THAT THEY WOULD
NECESSARILY GET A GOVERNMENT
JOB OR APPOINTMENT OUT OF IT.
BINGO, HERE WE ARE.

Steve says IT'S A YEAR LATER,
THOUGH.

Richard says SO WHAT?

Steve says HE WAITED A YEAR.

Richard says HE PROMISED THAT HE WOULD
SUBJECT APPOINTMENTS LIKE THICK
THICK-- THIS TO LEGISLATIVE
SCRUTINY.
AND HE BROKE THAT PROMISE.
JUST LIKE HE'S PREPARED TO
BREAK EVERY OTHER SINGLE
PROMISE THAT HE'S EVER MADE OR
WILL MAKE.

Steve says TILSON WAS APPOINTED
FOR A YEAR LESS A DAY EXACTLY
BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO
THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE
COMMITTEE OVER SIGHT IF YOU
APPOINTMENT SOMEONE FOR A YEAR
LESS A DAY.
THE OPTICS DON'T LOOK GOOD.
DO YOU THINK.

Blair says THERE'S BEEN 9,000
APPOINTMENTS MADE SINCE 1995.
AND THERE ARE MANY, MANY FORMER
MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE
THAT-- THAT SERVE ON OTHER
BOARDS.
WE'VE GOT, UM, AND A FEW MORE.
AND FRANK MCLASH, FORMER
MEMBERS OF THE PROVINCIAL PAR
LIMIT.
MARY-ANNE BOY IS ONE OF THE
THEM.

Steve says WHY WAS HE APPOINTED
FOR A YEAR LESS A DAY?

Blair says I HAVE NO-- I DON'T KNOW WHY
HE WAS APPOINTED FOR A YEAR
LESS A DAY.
BUT HE'S CAPABLE OF SITTING ON
THE OMB.
AND THAT'S WHY HE'LL MAKE A
GOOD VICE CHAIR.

Ruth says TO AVOID THE KIND OF
QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE RAISING.
BECAUSE OF THE COMMITMENT THAT
IS THE PREMIER HAD MADE, AS
RICHARD JUST POINTED OUT.
AND I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED
IF BEFORE THAT YEAR AND A DAY
IS OUT IF HE WASN'T QUIETLY
REAPPOINTED.
AND PERHAPS AT THAT POINT BE
SUBJECT TO SOME SCRUTINY.
BUT I MEAN, THE WHOLE ISSUE OF
APPOINTMENTS AS BEING REALLY, I
MEAN, I GOT IT THIS WEEK, UM, A
COALITION LOOKING AT THE NIAGARA
ESCARPMENT.
I WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY
SAID ABOUT THE APPOINTEES.
MANY COMMISSIONERS IN THE
CABINET SINCE 1995 IGNORED THE
POLICIES OF THE NIAGARA
ESCARPMENT PLAN AND THEIR OWN
STAFF.
CERTAIN COMMISSIONERS HAVE LOOK
AT THEIR MANDATE AS APPROVE
EVERYTHING AND THIS COALITION
IS CALLING FOR THE KIND OF
PROCESS THAT USED TO BE IN
PLACE WHERE BY WE KNEW WHO WAS
BEING APPOINTED AND THERE WAS
SOME SUBJECTIVE SCRUTINY, UM,
OF WHAT THEY ARE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT
ANYMORE.
I THINK IF ANYBODY ANALYZED THE
RECORD OF APPOINTMENTS, THEY BE
HORRIFIED AT SOME OF THEM MADE.

Steve says BLAIR, LAST WORD ON
THIS ONE.

Blair says AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE
GOVERNMENT MAKES SURE THAT
EVERYONE WHO IS APPOINTED TO--
TO THE VARIOUS AGENCIES, BOARDS
AND COMMISSIONS, THEY LOOK AT
THEIR SKILLS, THEIR BACKGROUND.
UM, AND THEY'RE ONLY APPOINT
YOU'RE THE GOVERNMENT IS FULLY
CONFIDENT THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE
TO TO SERVE WELL IN THOSE
POSITIONS AND THAT'S WHAT
HAPPENED IN THIS CASE.

Steve says OKAY.
ONE MORE THING WE WANT TO GET
TO SO FAR AND THAT'S THE
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT FLOATED
AN IDEA THAT JIM FLAHERTY RAN
ON IN THE LEADERSHIP RACE, AND
THAT'S BANNING THE RIGHT TO
STRIKE FOR TEACHERS.
ONE OF THOSE GREAT WEDGE ISSUES
THAT NO DOUBT WILL HAVE MANY
SUPPORTERS AMONG THE POPULATION
AND MANY PEOPLE EQUALLY AGAINST
IT.
WHAT DO WE THEY OF THIS IDEA?
RICHARD?

Richard says FIRST OF ALL, I THINK YOUR
INTRO'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
IT'S THE KIND OF WEDGE ISSUE
THAT THE TORIES ARE LOOK TO GO
BRING THEIR SUPPORT UP FROM 30 PERCENT
IN THE POLLS TO 45 PERCENT OR WHATEVER
IT WAS IN THE-- IN THE LAST TWO
ELECTIONS.
NO ONE LIKES TEACHER STRIKES.
EVEN TEACHERS DON'T LIKE
TEACHER STRIKES.
OF COURSE, IT WILL HAVE LOTS OF
SUPPORT.
WE HAVE A PROCESS IN THIS
PROVINCE THAT DEALS WITH
TEACHER STRIKES.
WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE
EDUCATION RELATIONS COMMISSION.
SETUP TO DO THAT.
UM, AND THE TEACHER STRIKES
THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST
SEVEN YEARS HAVE LARGELY
HAPPENED BECAUSE OF MAJOR
LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT THE
TORIES HAVE ATTEMPT TODAY MAKE.
I THINK THAT IT IS A, UM, I
MEAN, HE TOOK OVER FROM
MISTER HARRIS AND JETTISONED ALL
OF THE THINGS.
STOPPED PAYMENT OF MISTER HARRIS'
LEGAL BILLS, AND THEN HE WAS
ALL GOING TO COZY UP TO OTTAWA
AND BE VERY DIFFERENT.
NOW WE HEAR THAT HE'LL GO BACK
AND DO THE END WELFARE AND BAN
TEACHER STRIKES.
HE CAN DECIDE IF HE'S ANTI MIKE
HARRIS OR MIKE HARRIS'
HENCHMAN.

Steve says WOULD BANNING TEACHER
STRIKES STOP TEACHERS FROM
STRIKING?

Ruth says IT MIGHT STRIKE THEM FROM
STRIKING BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE
PENALTIES IF IT STRUCK.
BUT WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING TO
IMPROVE THE ATMOSPHERE IN THE
CLASSROOM.
UNCLE, TEACHERS USUALLY GO THE
EXTRA MILE.
AND THE DIFFICULTY WITH PUTTING
THEM UNDER THIS KIND OF A RIGID
SYSTEM IS THAT THEY MAY WELL
WORK TO RULE.
AND THE ONE WHO IS LOSE OUT OF
THAT ARE THE KIDS IN THE
CLASSROOMS.
BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE THE POINT
THAT WHILE FLAHERTY HAD RUN ON
IT IN THE LEADERSHIP THIS, IDEA
FIRST GAME TO THE LEGISLATURE
IN '92 WITH DALTON MCGUINTY AT
THIS PRIVATE MEMBER'S BILL TO
BAN TEACHER'S STRIKING.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN
AROUND, BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A
WHILE AND I DON'T-- I THINK IT
REFLECTION THE GOVERNMENT'S
NEED TO HAVE A SCAPE-GOAT AS
THEY PREPARE FOR AN ELECTION.
FAR MORE THAN IT DOES AS
SOLVING A PROBLEM.
WHICH IS GIVE TEACHERS MORE
MONEY.
THEY'VE BEEN UNDERPAID.
AND ROSANSKI HAS SAID THAT.

Steve says BLAIR, DO YOU FAVOUR
THAT POSITION?

Blair says IF KIDS, IF KID AROUND IN
THE CLASSROOM, THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO LEARN.
AND I THINK THAT-- THAT WE
HAVE-- WE NEED TO END THE-- A
LOTS OF THE DISRUPTIONS THAT
HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE, UM,
OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
UM, I THINK THE GOVERNMENT'S
BEEN VERY PRO ACTIVE IN
RESPONDING TO THE ROSANSKI
REPORT.
WE, FOR EXAMPLE, PUT IN '340
MILLION TO PROVIDE TEACHERS
WITH THE A 3 PERCENT INCREASE BOTH
THIS YEAR.
AND IT WAS DELIVERED AGAIN IN--
IN THE BUDGETS.
UM, AND--

Steve says LET ME JUMP IN WITH
THIS.
YOU KNOW THAT-- THAT BY BANNING
STRIKING, ESSENTIALLY WHAT
YOU'RE DOING IS OPPOSING
BINDING ARBITRATION AND THAT'S
MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHENEVER A
STRIKE MIGHT HAVE RESOLVED.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO SAVE MONEY
AT THE EN OF THE DAY, IS IT?

Blair says LOOK, I THINK THAT-- THAT
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE
IS-- IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS
IN THE MIDDLE OF A THRONE
SPEECH CONSULTATION.
AND OUR PARTIES ARE-- OUR
PARTY'S IN THE PROCESS OF
PUTTING TOGETHER ITS ELECTION
PLATFORM.
UM, AND THE-- THE IDEA OF, UM,
OF DECLARING TEACHERS AN
ESSENTIAL SERVICE WAS AN ISSUE
THAT-- THAT, UM, THAT MISTER
FLAHERTY RAN ON DURING THE
ISSUE.
AND IDEAS FROM ALL LEADERSHIP
CANDIDATES ARE BEING LOOKED AT
FROM OUR PARTY.

Steve says DO YOU THINK THAT--
DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE IN THE
THRONE SPEECH IN.

Blair says WAIT AND SEE WHAT
HAPPENS.

Steve says THANK YOU FOR PINCH HITTING
TODAY.
PLAYER MCCREADIE, PRESIDENT
OF THE TORY PARTY.
AND WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS NEXT WEEK
AS WELL-- MCCREADIE, PRESIDENT
OF THE TORY PARTY.
AND WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS NEXT
WEEK.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN.
UNTIL NEXT WEEK, THANK YOU.

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