Transcript: The Future of Rural Ontario | Mar 02, 2003

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS WEEK ON
FOURTH READING.
SMART GROWTH SMART POLICY?
THE TORRE PLAN TO
REINVIGORATE ONTARIO'S RURAL
COMMUNITIES.

Steve, three panelists, and a guest, sit with a guest around a table in the shape of a number 4. A logo on screen reads "4th reading."

Steve is in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray coat over a gray shirt.

Steve says GOOD AFTERNOON.
I AM STEVE PAIKIN YOU ARE
WATCHING FOURTH READING ADD
PREMIER ERNIE EVES TO LIST
OF POLITICIANS WHO HAVE
CALLED FOR A NEW DEAL FOR
CITIES.
THAT'S BECOME CATCH PHRASE
IN POLITICAL CIRCLES EVER
SINCE PAUL MARTIN COINED IT
LAST YEAR BEFORE HE GOT IT
YOUR OF AS FINANCE MINISTER.
LAST WEEK IN THIS SPACE WE
TALKED ONTARIO GOVERNMENT
URBAN AFFAIRS MINISTER TO
FIND OUT PLANS FOR BIG
CITIES THIS WEEK WE PUT
FOCUS ON OUR SMALLER
COMMUNITIES WITH ONE OF THE
MINISTERS IN CHARGE OF THIS FILE.
FIRST, SOME BACKGROUND.

A clip plays in which Ernie Eves gives a speech at the Fairmont Royal York hotel.

He says TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO
SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT HOW TO
TOGETHER WE CAN BUILD A
STRONGER RURAL ONTARIO.
I WANT TO TALK YOU ABOUT OUR
PLANS TO BUILT BETTER ROADS
AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
HOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN
SUPPORT A STRONGER RURAL
ECONOMY.
AND HOW A STRONGER ECONOMY
WILL LEAD TO A EVEN BETTER
QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.

Now Michael Prue speaks in an interview.
A caption reads “Michael Prue. NDP Agriculture Critic.”
Michael is in his late forties, with short gray hair and a moustache.

He says THEY HAVE TAKEN MONEY OUT
OF THE THE SYSTEM THAT
NEEDED TO BE SPENT ON
INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY HAVE TAKEN IT OUT THE
COMMUNITIES AND THE
COMMUNITIES IN TURN EACH ONE
OF THEM HAVE SUFFERED.
IT IS THE SAME IS TRUE IN
THE BIG CITY AS IT IS IN THE
SMALL TOWN.
AND THE EMPHASIS NEEDS TO BE
PUT BACK ON HELPING THE
COMMUNITIES TO PROSPER AND
TO GROW.

Back in the studio, Steve says WHAT CAN PROVINCE
DO TO KEEP SMALLER
COMMUNITIES IN RURAL ONTARIO
GROWING AND VIBRANT OR IS
THAT SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE?
NOW THAT BIG CITIES FINALLY
AFEAR HAVE GOVERNMENT'S EAR.
LET'S ASK.
HELL LOAN JOHN CONSERVATIVE
MPP FOR HERON BRUCE MINISTER
OFING A AGO AND UNTIL THIS
PAST WEEK MINISTER OF THE
MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AS WELL.
WELCOME TO TVO.
THIS GROUP ON THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE TABLE IS RICHARD
MAHONEY.
AND JORDAN.
NDP CANDIDATE FOR DAVENPORT.
AND BARRY A AID TO FORMER
PREMIER MARK HARRIS.
WELCOME EVERYBODY OVER HERE
WERE YOU AT THE CONFERENCE
THIS PAST WEEK.
I WOULD LIKE FIND OUT WHAT
THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IS THAT
RURAL LEADERS TALK TO YOU ABOUT.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Helen Johns. Minister of Agriculture and Food."
Helen is in her fifties, with blond hair in a bob. She’s wearing a beige blazer over a black shirt, and a black stone necklace.

She says WELL, THEY ARE CONCERNED
ABOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH.
THEY NEED TO HAVE MORE
ACTIVITY.
THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR
YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE RURAL
COMMUNITIES.
IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR
THEM LOTS OF PEOPLE I HEARD
SAYING OUR MAJOR EXPORT IS
OUR YOUNG PEOPLE IT AARE ON
AND BIGGER URBAN CENTRES WE
HAVE FIND WAY STIMULATER
GROWTH AND KEEP PEOPLE IN
RURAL ONTARIO

Steve says ARE THINGS RS
BAD AS WE ALWAYS HEAR THAT
THEY ARE?
BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT THIS
SH ONE THING WE HEAR ALL
TIME.
WE ARE LOSING OUR PEOPLE AND
OUR ECONOMY IS IN DESPERATE
SHAPE.
HOW HORRIBLE IS IT?

Helen says WELL, LET ME SAY FIRST
OFF, I THINK RURAL ROCKS.
BUT WE BESIDES THAT,.

Steve says RURAL ROCKS.
IN 11 YEARS I NEVER HEARD
THAT EXPRESSION ON THIS
SHOW.
BUT OKAY.

Helen says ARE WE IN TROUBLE?
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE ECONOMIC
GROWTH.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT WAYS TO
ENSTHAOURT AGRICULTURAL
COMMUNITY IS ABLE TO MAKE A
LIVING AND STAY ON THE FARM
WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE
HAVE GOOD SCHOOLS, ROADS AND
BRIDGES.
AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AND THOSE ARE THE ISSUES
THAT WE ARE ALL GRAPPLING WITH.

Steve says THE BIG NEWS THIS
PAST WEEK IN TERMS OF
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN QUEENS
PARK AND VARIOUS
MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THIS
PROVINCE WAS 64 MILLION
DOLLARS FOR TORONTO.

Helen says WELL, I THINK THAT WE IN
RURAL ONTARIO ALWAYS THINK
TORONTO GETS EVERYTHING.
BUT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE,
SINCE I HAVE SOME TORONTO
PEOPLE AT THE TABLE I WILL
HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
BUT WE CERTAINLY IN RURAL
ONTARIO LOOK FOR WAYS THAT
THE GOVERNMENT CAN HELP US
TOO.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING ON
INCOME STABILIZATION PROGRAM
IN THE GOVERNMENT.
FOR THE AGRICULTURAL
COMMUNITY.
WE ARE LOOKING AT -- WE HAVE
GOT A NUMBER OF THE DOLLARS
FOR HIGHER EDUCATION SYSTEM
RECENTLY WE ARE LOOKING FOR
NEW TECHNOLOGY IN OUR
HOSPITAL.
SO, THERE IS SOME INFLOW OF
CASH COMING INTO RURAL
ONTARIO.
MAYBE NOT IN THE MAGNITUDE
IN EAST SMALL COMMUNITIES I
REPRESENT.
BUT, FROM A CONSOLIDATED
BASIS THERE HAS LOT OF
INVESTMENT IN RURAL ONTARIO.

Steve says YOU TALK ABOUT CASH COMING.
AND I WANT TO ROLL A CLIP
FROM KEN WHO FROM
ASSOCIATION AS OF MOUNTAINS
PHAOUPBS OF ONTARIO BECAUSE
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE
LOOKING FOR OF COURSE IS
ACCESS TO MORE CASH OWE THEY
COULD DO MORE STUFF.
LET'S ROLL THIS CLIP AND
THEN COME BACK AND TALK.
IF WE COULD, PLEASE.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "Ken Boschoff. Association of Ontario Municipalities."
Ken is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair.

He says IN THE NORTH BECAUSE WE ONLY
HAVE 6 percent OF ONTARIO'S
POPULATION, AND 90 percent OF ITS
LANDS MASS, WE ARE
SUGGESTING PERHAPS THAT FOUR
CENTS PERFECTLY TER COULD
DID TRANSPORTATION ISSUES
FOR THE NORTH.
AND THAT WOULD GO IN LARGE
MEASURE TO ASSISTING US IN
MAKING SAFER HIGHWAYS AND
SAFER STREETS BETTER TRANSIT SYSTEM.
OVERCOMING THEISH AOUFS
DISTANCE.
AND ISOLATION.

Back in the studio, Steve says THAT'S A ANOTHER
PLEA FROM ANOTHER MUNICIPAL
LEADER TO GET ACCESS TO THE
PROVINCIAL GAS TAX TO INVEST
IN RURAL ISSUES.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT IDEA?

Helen says WELL THE PREMIER WHEN HE
SPOKE THAT HE WAS INTERESTED
IN EXPLORING NEW REVENUE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL CITIES
AS YOU KNOW HE IS INTERESTED
IN THAT FOR TORONTO AND
URBAN CENTRES BUT ALSO FOR
RURAL CENTRES.
WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSION
ABOUT A WIDE RANGE OF ISSUES
FROM GAS TAX TO
OPPORTUNITIES BONDS WHICH
WOULD ALLOW HOME HAVE A
BETTER RATE AND BOTHER
RUBBING TO PILOT PROJECT AND
A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS
TO STIMULATING THE NOT SO WE
ARE LOOKING TO FIND NEW
REVENUE STREAMS FOR THE
COMMUNITY AND THEY ARE NOT
MUCH DIFFERENT FROM THE BIG
URBAN CENTRES ALTHOUGH,
HOTEL TAX DOES NOT COME UP
VERY OFF THEN RURAL ONTARIO.

Steve says HOW DO YOU THINK
THE GOVERNMENT GIVING GIVE
THEM YOU KNOW A, B, C, E, F
REPORT CARD GRADE ON HOW YOU
THINK ARE DOING ON THE
ISSUES AND SEEING SUCCESS AT
THE END OF THE DAY.

The caption changes to "Richard Mahoney. Ontario Liberal Advisor."
Richard is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He’s wearing a black suit, white shirt, and golden tie.

He says WELL, I WILL TRY FOR A
SECOND TO BE NON PARTISAN
THE TALK IN LAST WEEK OR TWO
I THINK IS GOOD.
IN SENSE THAT -- I THINK IT
IS RIGHT FOR THE PREMIER NOW
RECOGNIZE THAT OUR
COMMUNITIES URBAN AND
OTHERWISE NEED THE TOOLS
DEAL WITH THESE THINGS.
LET'S GIVE THEM THE POINT THERE.
DIDN'T EXPERIENCE COURSE IT.
HE SAID WOE LOOK FAT.
AND HE IS FLOATING IDEA AND
WE ARE ON EVE OF ELECT THE
REASON WHY HE IS FLOATING
IDEA MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO
DO WITH THE FACT THAT'S ON
Provincial ELECT FOR LAST
EIGHT YEARS, DIS FIRST OF
ALL, THROUGH THE DOWNLOADING
ESSENTIALLY REMOVED FROM
MUNICIPALITIES A LOT OF
MONIES THEY NEEDED TO FUND
THESE PROGRAMS.
SECOND, COMMUNITIES THAT
WOULD YOU KNOW ABOUT
MINISTER VERY WELL, WHAT
HAPPENED ONCE WE CLOSE THE
LOT OF RURAL SCHOOLS AND
RURAL HOSPITAL THOSE ARE
THINGS THAT BUILD COMMUNITY.
HOW ARE THE COMMUNITIES THAT
FOR EXAMPLE THAT YOU LIVE IN
AND THAT YOU REPRESENT IN
YOUR RIDING HOW ARE THEY
GOING TO POSSIBLE BELOW
ATTRACT GOOD PEOPLE TO COME
WOKE ON THE FARMS WHEN YOU
TAKE THEIR SCHOOL AWAY OR
HOSPITAL AWAY.
AND THIRDLY, YOU KNOW THE --
I THINK WHERE THE GOVERNMENT
FAILS IS THEY HAVE TO LOOK
UPON ON RURAL COMMUNITIES AS
INCREASINGLY AND VERY
IMPORTANT PART OF OUR
ECONOMIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
AGRICULTURAL AND FOOD IS A
SECOND BIGGEST INDUSTRY IN
THE COUNTRY.
AND ONTARIO BIGGEST PLAYER
IN THE COUNTRY INING A AGO
INDUSTRY.
SO, IT IS HUGE ECONOMIC NOT
ONLY OUR BREAD BASKET BUT IT
IS HUGE ECONOMIC PIE.
SO WE HAVE GOT TO ACTUALLY
THINGS LIKE THE GAS TAX ARE
GOOD IDEA TO GIVE THEM TOOLS
THEY NEED TO ATTRACT PEOPLE
TO THEIR COMMUNITIES SO THEY
CAN KEEP ON BUILDING.

Steve says THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU.

The caption changes to "Jordan Berger. Ontario NDP Activist."
Jordan is in his early thirties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair and glasses. He’s wearing a gray suit, beige shirt, and green tie.

He says WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY
ARE DOING VERY WELL.
I THINK THAT -- AI AGREE
WITH RICHARD THAT TALK YOU
KNOW LAST COUPLE DAYS HAS
BEEN QUITE ENCOURAGING.
THE ETHANOL DISCUSSION BUT
THE NATIONAL PRODUCTION AND
MAKE THE NATIONAL PRODUCTION
FINANCELY VIABLE REQUIRES
INTERVAL AND THAT'S
SOMETHING THIS GOVERNMENT
BEING COMPLETE AGAINST.
IN I THINK ONE OF THE
PROBLEMS WITH THE
GOVERNMENT'S APPROACH IS IT
IS NOT JUST ABOUT MONO IT IS
ABOUT THE RESTRIKES
ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE PUT ON
THAT MONEY.
LAST YEAR 20 MILLION DOLLARS
WERE ALLOCATED FOR MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE AND ONLY 29
MILLION DOLLARS WAS SPENT.
BECAUSE RAW STREUBGS ON TO
REQUIRED YOU TO PARTNER WITH
PRIVATE SECTOR COMPANIES.
YOU KNOW THROUGH BORROW AND
OTHER MEG KWREUPLS.
AND THEY JUST CAN'T MAKE THE
DEALS.
THEY HAVE MOVED SO FAR
BEYOND JUST SIMPLY PUTTING
MONEY INTO MUNICIPAL
INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S OWNED
BY PEOPLE THAT'S RESPONSIVE
TO PEOPLE TO THE PUBLIC TO
THE TAX PAYER YOU KNOW IT IS
DIFFICULT TO SET UP IN SOME
OF THESE SMALLER
MUNICIPALITIES DEALS THAT
ALSO BENEFIT CREATE PROFIT
STREAM FOR THE PRIVATE
SECTOR AND THAT IS -- THAT'S
HOLDING BACK SPENDING MONEY
THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED.

Steve says I UNDERSTAND THE MINISTER
CANNOT GO ON STRONGLY WE
HATE FACT TORONTO GOT EXTRA
MONEY.
SO, WITH THAT IN MIND, I AM
GOING TO PUT THIS QUESTION
TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DID WORK
FOR TWO DIFFERENT MINISTERS
OF NORTHERN AFFAIRS.
AND MY HUNCH IS AND I WANT
GOAT YOUR SENSE ON THIS MY
HUNCH PEOPLE NORTH OF STEALS
AVENUE ARE NOT THAT NUTTY
ABOUT THE IDEA THAT TORONTO
SUDDENLY AT THE 1 1ST HOUR
HERE GOT 64 MILLION BUCKS
WHEN THESE PEOPLE FOR SEVEN
YEARS HAVE BEEN LOBBYING FOR
THESE KIND OF PACKAGES.
HOWEVER I WOULD LET YOU
ANSWER THE QUESTION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?

The caption changes to "Barry Devolin. Former Aide to Mike Harris."
Barry is in his forties, clean-shaven, with very short brown hair and glasses. He’s wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and green tie.

He says WELL JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS.
FIRST OF THRAUL LOT OF
PEOPLE IN NORTHERN ONTARIO
WHO DREW BORDER A LITTLE
FURTHER NORTH THAN STEEL'S
AVENUE IN TERMS OF WHERE IT STARTS.

Steve says SOME PEOPLE ANY TORONTO
BUT THAT'S OKAY.

Barry says WHAT'S THAT THIS SAY IN ONTARIO.
AS YOU KNOW KEN IS NOT ONLY
THE PRESIDENT OF AMO BUT
ALSO THE MAYOR OF THUNDER
BAY.
HE SOEUPBTS NORTHWESTERN
ONTARIO SMART GROWTH PANEL.
AND ONE ANYTHING THAT I HAVE
HEARD THE MAYOR SAY ON MANY
OCCASIONS NEED IMPROVE
TRANSPORTATION
INFRASTRUCTURE IN NORTHERN
ON TO TAR JOE AND MANY
PLACES THAT'S HIGHWAYS.
THE TRANS CANADA HIGHWAY IN
PARTICULAR.
AND RICHARD SAID THAT HE WAS
NOT GOING TO BE PARTISAN AND
NOR I WILL BUT I WILL BE AND
SAY THAT IT IS THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT I THINK, ONTARIO
ONLY PROVINCE IN CAN THAN
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES
NOT CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING
TOWARDS THE MAINTENANCE OR
IMPROVEMENT OF THE TRANS CAN
HIGHWAY SO I THINK IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO, THE
PROVINCE -- THE PROVINCIAL
GOVERNMENT HAS DONE A LOT.
MANY INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN
MADE IN MY WAYS RECORD
HIGHWAY CAPITAL BUDGET
NORTHERN ONTARIO FOR LAST
FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS
INCREASED FROM LESS THAN 1
HUNDRED MILLION TO MORE THAN
200 MILLION DOLLARS THIS
YEAR.
THE NORTHERN ONTARIO
HERITAGE FUND WAS HAD THE
ALSO DOUBLED IN SIZE AND
THAT'S A BODY THAT MIX
INVESTMENTS IN SOME OF THE
KINDS OF PROJECT THAT THAT
ARE NEEDED IN NORTHERN
ONTARIO THAT MAYBE A LITTLE
DIFFERENT THAN IN YOU THE
SOUTH.

Steve says DO YOU KNOW WHY
FED CAL GOVERNMENT DOES TO
THE CONTRIBUTE TO TRANS
CANADA UPKEEP IN THIS
PROVINCE BUT DOGS IN EVERY
OTHER ONE?

Richard says I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE
FEDERAL PROVINCIAL
GOVERNMENT ARE IN
NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW ON
INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING IN
ONTARIO.
AND I GATHER, WHILE THE
FOCUS IS RIGHTLY IN THE
SOUTHERN PART OF PROVINCE
AND NO URBAN PARTS ON THE
PROVINCE ON PUBLIC TRANSIT
IN NORTHERN PART OF PROVINCE,
AS IT IS IN OTHER PROVINCES
FOCUS ALMOST ENTIRE LEON
ROADS.
AND I CAN'T PREDICT THAT
THERE ANNOUNCEMENTS IN LITTLE
WHILE BUT I KNOW THEY ARE IN
DISCUSSIONS ON SOME JOINT
FEDERAL PROVINCIAL SPENDING
ON THE TRANS CANADA.

Steve says LET ME CAN YOU
ABOUT THE GAS TAX ISSUE IN
THE ONE LAST THING ON THIS I
CHECKED BUDGET THIS IS
PAST -- THE BUDGET FOR THIS
YEAR, THE ONTARIO BUDGET
FORECAST THAT WILL YOU TAKE
IN 2.2 BILLION DOLLARS IN
GAS TAX REVENUE.
NOW EVEN IF YOU GAVE LET'S
SAY HALF OF THAT TO
MUNICIPAL, AND I KNOW WE NO
ONE TALKING ABOUT THAT THEY
ARE TALKING ABOUT 4 CENTS ON
EVERY LITER.
IF YOU GAVE HALF OF THAT'S
BILLION DOLLARS.
AND WE KNOW THAT WISH LIST
IS 57 BILLION DOLLARS LONG.
SO IS THIS REALLY GOING TO
DO MUCH?

Helen says WELL I THINK THERE IS
COMBINATION OF THINGS THAT
GOVERNMENT HAS TO DO TO
STIMULATER INFRASTRUCTURE I
MEAN, THEY -- MY COLLEAGUES
ARE ACROSS THE WAY HERE SAID
THAT WE HAD NOT TKG ANYTHING
IN MY RURAL COMMUNITIES WE
HAVE NEW RECREATION CENTRES
AND ICE RINKS AS RESULT
CULTURAL SPORT AND TOURISM
MONEY WE HAVE ROADS THAT AND
BRIDGES THAT THE PREMIER
TALKING ABOUT FIXING AND SO,
THERE HAS BEEN INVESTMENT IN
RURAL ONTARIO IN AND YOU
KNOW THE GAS TAX WON'T BE
THE ONLY ANSWER.
I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A
LET ANOTHER YEAH OF WANES
THAT WE CAN HELP
MUNICIPALITIES TO BE ABLE TO
HAVE THE INCOME STREAMS THEY
NEED TO AND ALSO, BECAUSE
ONE RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE
GET THEM ENSURE THEY WATCH
THEIR SPENDING ALSO.

Richard says FAIR ENOUGH THERE HAS
BEEN SOME SPENDING FOR
RECREATION CENTRES.
WOULD YOU FIRST FERN TO
AGREE AND I IMAGINE YOU
DON'T HAVE -- YOUR PUSHING
AROUND THE CABINET TABLE FOR
MUCH MORE INTEGRATE AID
APPROACH TO THE WHOLE
AGR-FOOD INDUSTRY AND
AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY THAT
YOU IT DOESN'T NEED POP AND
LITTLE SPENDING THERE AND
THERE.
BUT RATHER APPROACH HOW DO
YOU EQUIP COMMUNITIES TO
ATTRACT PEOPLE KEEP THEM,
AND SO THAT YOU CAN DO THAT.
YOU KNOW AND I IMAGINE YOU
FIGHTER TO THAT EVERY DAY
AND SUSPECT SOME TIMES YOU
WIN AND SOME TIMES YOU LOSS.
I CAN'T IMAGINE MANY PEOPLE
IN YOUR POSITION THAT AREN'T
SAYING WE NEED MUCH MORE
BROADER APPROACH.
WE NEED CLEAN FUELS
APPROACH.
THE AMOUNT AND THAT COULD DO
TO THE AGRICULTURAL INDUSTRY
IN ONTARIO AS WELL AS
ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT WOULD
BE ASTOUNDING.
BUT YOU WOULD HAVE INVEST IN IT.

Helen says JUROR ZHAN RIGHT.
AND THE ONTARIO TAX PAY
COURSE INVEST WITH IT EVERY
LITER OF GAS THAT IS SOLD
THERE IS A DISCOUNT OF MIXED
ETHANOL.
SINCE THE GOVERNMENT HAS
BEEN WE WE CERTAINLY WE USE
MORE CORN FROM AMERICA TO
PRODUCE ETHANOL RIGHT NOW
THAN WE USE CANADA --
ONTARIO CORN TO SAY WE WILL
DO MORE UNTIL WE HAVE MORE
ONTARIO CORN DOES NOT
BENEFIT ONTARIO.

Richard says IF WE MADE LAW BY FIVE
YEARS 10 percent OUR GAS WOULD
ETHANOL, WOULD YOU HAVE
GIGANTIC INCREASE.

Steve says WOULD YOUR PARTY
FAVOUR THAT?

Richard says YES.

Helen says THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE
ROTATE YOUR CROPS YOU CAN'T
GROW CORN EVERY YEAR.
AND EXEXPECT SO HAVE GREAT
YIELD THAT'S REALITY OF
AGRICULTURAL.
YOU NEED TO HAVE CHANGE SO
YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO
GROW ALL CORN THAT YOU NEED
TO STIMULATE 10 percent GROWTH IN
ETHANOL.
I AM NOT SAYING WE SHOULD
NOT USE MORE ETHANOL I THINK
WE SHOULD MOVE IN THIS
DIRECTION.
BUT, MY GOAL AS MINISTER OF
AGRICULTURAL AND FOOD IS TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE
AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY
BENEFITS FROM THIS AND WE
STIMULATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
THE RURAL COMMUNITIES AND
THE AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY
KEYS.
NOT FOR AMERICAN CORN
PRODUCERS.

Steve says DO YOU WORRY CONSERVATIVE
LOOK LIKE OUTFLANKED ON
PRETTY IMPORTANT TRAOEURPLTTAL
ISSUE HERE?

Barry says I THINK THAT IF YOU LOOK
SPECIFIC CLEAN ETHANOL ISSUE
I MEAN, IF WE ARE LOOKING AT
FROM AGRICULTURAL PRODUCER
IN ONTARIO POINT OF VIEW I
MEAN IF MINISTER SAID IF
THERE ONLY SO MUCH CORN PRO
DOESED IN ONTARIO I MEAN, WE
WERE NOT GOING TO FORCE
FARMER TO GROWTH CORN
AGAINST THEIR WILL.
IN TERMS OF

Jordan says WHO IS
TALKING ABOUT THAT?
I MEAN.

Steve says HE IS TALKING ABOUT SET
TARGET AND LIVING BY IT AND
IT -- IF YOU LOOK WHAT WE
HAVE HEARD SO FAR ON PROGRAM
IT LOOKS LIKE LIBERALS ARE
BE MORNING AMBITIOUS IN
THEIR AGENDA THAN
CONSERVATIVE ARE.
PEOPLE SAY THE...

Helen says I DON'T
THINK THAT'S TRUE.
WE HAVE COMMISSIONER OF
RENEWABLE ENERGY AND WE ARE
LOOKING AT NUMBER OF SOURCES
OF RENEWABLE ENERGY.
WE WERE THE ONES THAT CAME
OUT AND HAVE MOVED ETHANOL
PORTFOLIO ALONG WE HAVE
INVESTED IN A NUMBER OF
GIVEN ECONOMIC STIMULUS TO A
NUMBER OF ETHANOL PLANTS
BOTH WE HAVE MONEY ON TABLE
FOR CORN WELL WE HAD MONEY
WE PUT INVESTED MONEY
COMMERCIAL KHOLS AND CHAT
HAM AND WE CAN' LOOKING AT
OTHER PLANTS WE HAVE CAN
INVEST.
I THINK SKWROPL KNEE CON --
AND THAT'S NOT NICE I AM
HAPPY THEY ARE GETTING ON
BANDWAGON BUT LITTLE LATE.

Jordan says SENT TRUE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY THOUGH REJECTION THE
USE OF ENVIRONMENTAL
REGULATION TO DRIVE
ENVIRONMENTAL INDUSTRY?
I MEAN, BY WHEN YOU CAME IN
1995 AND GUTTED
ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATION IN
THIS PROVINCE YOU ALSO
GUTTED A ENVIRONMENTAL
INDUSTRY.
IN THIS PROVINCE THAT WAS
CREATED PARTLY BECAUSE OF
STRONG ENVIRONMENT
ENVIRONMENTAL RESTRICTION
UNDER THE GOVERNMENT WE
FALLEN FAR BEHIND WESTERN
EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AS WE
HAVE SEEN HAVE RESPONDED
MUCH MORE POSITIVELY TO
KYOTO THAN SAY, THE ONTARIO
GOVERNMENT HAS.
BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE
ECONOMIC INCENTIVE TO BE
ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS.

Helen says I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DONE.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE OFFERED
CARROTS IF YOU WILL AS
OPPOSED TO STICKS TO GET
PEOPLE TO MOVE TO RENEWABLE
SOURCE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE WIND
MILLS IN MY RIDING FOR
EXAMPLE WHICH AREN'T WORKING
TOO WELL TODAY, BUT THEY
WILL WORK IN LONG RUN THAT'S
A GOOD INVESTMENT.
AND RENEWABLE ENERGY
SOURCES.
WE HAVE PUT -- WE HAVE GIVEN
THE TAX REDUCTION ON ETHANOL
IN PROVINCE IN ONTARIO WE
ARE THE FIRST TO CREATE
STIMULUS IN THAT AREA.
I MEAN IT IS REALLY
IMPORTANT FOR US TO.
REGULATION ARE NOT HOW WE
WANT TO GO.
WE WANT CREATE CARAT TO MOVE
COMMUNITY FURTHER ALONG THE
RENEWABLE ENERGY SECTOR SO
WOULD CAN MOVE AWAY.

Jordan says REGULATION WILL YOU
ACCEPT ON MUNICIPAL.
IN TERMS SPENDING THEIR
INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY
REGULATIONS WILL YOU ACCEPT
ON POOR PEOPLE LIVING IN
RURAL AREAS I MEAN IT IS THE
STICK FOR SOME AND CARAT FOR
OTHERS.

Helen says I DON'T SEE THAT BUT
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD DIFFER ON THAT.

Steve says TALK ABOUT SMART GROWTH.
TELL ME FIRST OF ALL --
FIRST OF ALL WHEN DAVID
YOUNG GOT MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS
PORTFOLIO EARLIER THIS WEEK.
AAOEFGS EVE STAYED REASON I
WANT THIS SMART GUY ON THIS
JOB IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO
BE ONE OF OUR GOVERNMENT'S
MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES
LEADING INTO ELECTION
CAMPAIGN AND I WANT TO GOOD
GUY WITH HIS HAND ON THE TILLER.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT UP TO
SCRATCH ON SMART GROWTH.
GIVE US THE SORT 30-SECOND
SPEECH ABOUT WHAT IT IS ABOUT.
WHY YOU THINK IT COULD MAKE
A DIFFERENCE.

Helen says WELL SMART GROWTH IS ABOUT
FIND WAYS TO CREATE NEW
DEALS AS YOU CALL THEM
ACROSS THE PROVINCE.
WE HAVE ASKED FIVE PANELS TO
COME TOGETHER TO LOOK AT HOW
WE CAN CREATE ECONOMIC
ACTIVITY IN RURAL ONTARIO.
TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN
STIMULATE BETTER COMMUNITIES
IN ALL ACROSS PROVINCE.
LOOK AT IMPORTANT FACTOR
THAT COMMUNITIES NEED TO BE
ABLE TO MOVE THEMSELVES FROM
NOW INTO THE FUTURE AND THAT
TALKS A LOT IN CENTRAL
ONTARIO ABOUT PLANNING AND
TRANSIT AND THOSE KINDS --
AND DEVELOPMENT.
AND RURAL ONTARIO TALKS
ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND MANY CASES, AND SO IT
IS -- THAT'S WHY THERE FIVE
PANELS NOT ONE PANEL.
BECAUSE THERE NOT ONE
SOLUTION FOR ALL ONTARIO.

Steve says YOU HAVE ATENDED
SOME PANELS?

Helen says I HAVE MET WITH MEMBERS AND
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
THEY ARE OUT CONSULTING
RIGHT NOW THREE OF THEM
REPORTS DONE.
WESTERN ONTARIO AND EASTERN
ONTARIO ARE STILL WORKING ON
THEIRS.
BUT, WE EXPECT TO GET THE
DOCUMENTATION IN WHY IT IS
IMPORTANT TO THE GOVERNMENT
IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO CREATE
A LONGER TERM VISION FOR
CITIES ONE OF THINGS THAT'S
HAPPENED AND FOURTH
COMMUNITIES ONE OF THINGS
THAT IS HAPPENED YOU THEY AN
ROW ARE ON WE DON'T HAVE THE
INFRASTRUCTURE SET ASIDE TO
BE ABLE TO HAVE TRANSIT
LANES OR NEW HIGHWAYS WHEN
WE NEED THEM.
YOU KNOW YOU THINK ABOUT
ALAN EXPRESS WAY WHAT WOULD
HAVE HAPPENED IF IT WOULD
HAVE GONE ALL OF WAY DOWN
THOSE 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO
WHEN YOU HAD THE DISCUSSION.
WHAT IF WE COULD HAVE TAKEN
A CORRIDOR FOR 427 NORTH.
WHAT WOULD -- HOW WOULD WE
LOOK IF WE HAD BETTER
PLANNING.
WE ALL NEED TO DO THAT.
WE ARE ALL FAULT ANOTHER NOT
DOING THAT AND WE NEED TO
FIND A BETTER WAY AND A
FUTUREIC WAY TO LOOK AT THAT
TIME.

Jordan says ARE YOU GOING REVIVE THE
EXPRESS WAY?

Helen says NOT AT THIS POINT.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A LONGER
TERM PLAN ABOUT WHERE WE ARE
SO WE CAN CREATE MOVE AWAY
FROM GRIDLOCK AND MOVE TO A
SYSTEM WHERE WE HAVE TRANSIT
THAT WILL MOVE THE PEOPLE IN
OUR COMMUNITIES.
IN RURAL ONTARIO, WE NEED
WAYS TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT WE NEED WAYS TO
SAY, WHERE DOES A PLANT NEED
TO BE -- SITUATED IN TEN
YEARS TO BE ABLE TO CREATE
OPPORTUNITIES.

Steve says WE STILL HAVE THIS FILE
THE TRANSPORT MINISTER CAME
OUT WITH SOME IDEAS EARLIER
THIS WEEK.
WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ABOUT
WHAT HE HAS RECOMMENDED FOR
TORONTO BREAK UP GRIDLOCK
AND SO ON AND SO FORTH?

Helen says I THINK WE NEED TO DO
SOMETHING.
PEOPLE EXPERIENCE KRAOG HE
FRUSTRATED AND TORONTO GREAT
CITY.
MUCH AS I REPRESENT RURAL
ONTARIO AND LOVE RURAL
ONTARIO.
TORONTO NEEDS TO BE ABLE --
IT IS GOING TO GROW
INCREDIBLY AND THE NEXT
NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND WE HAVE TO CREATE
CAPACITY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
AND WE CAN'T DO THAT IF WE
COULD CONTINUE TO HAVE
PEOPLE TRAFFIC FOR AN HOUR
EVERY DAY.
BOTH GOING IN AND OUT, WE
CAN'T DO THAT IF WE DON'T
HAVE A VISION AND I THINK
THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO COME
UP WITH A PLAN BUT WE WANT
SOME CONTRIBUTION FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEY
WERE TEEN THAT HE BUDGET.

Steve says HERE IS ONE IDEA.
TOLLS INTO CITY.
PAYING TO DRIVE YOUR CAR
INTO THE CITY WHAT DO YOU
THINK OF THAT IDEA?

Helen says WELL, I GUESS THAT THERE
WE HAVE DONE IT AND ON ONE HIGHWAY.
THERE CERTAINLY
OPPORTUNITIES WE WOULD HAVE
TO LOOK AT THE BUSINESS CASE.
I KNOW ELLIS TALKING TO US
ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TO DO WE
ARE NOT CLOSING DOWN ANY
IDEAS AND CERTAINLY SMART
GROWLS PANELS LOOK AT THE
IDEAS PROCESSING THEM.
THEY ARE DECIDING WHETHER
THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE
RECOMMENDATION TO US ABOUT
THOSE ISSUES.
AND ONCE WE GET THOSE FROM
THE SMART GROWTH PANEL, WE
WILL DO SOME CONSULTATION ON
OUR OWN AND SEE IF THE
COMMUNITY WANTS THAT.
AND THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.

Steve says WITH ADMITTING YOUR
COMPANY INVOLVED WITH THIS
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE IDEA?

Richard says WELL, I MEAN, THE THESIS
OF IT IS A GOOD IDEA THERE
IS REAL COULDN'T TO PEOPLE
JAMMING UP OUR HIGHWAYS
EVERY DAY AND WE HAVE
ESSENTIALLY AS SOCIETY NO
QUESTION WE HAVE INVESTED IN
ROADS.
A LOT OF MONEY IN THAT AND
PUT A LOT MORE MEAN ROADS
THAN WE HAVE M PUBLIC
TRANSIT YOU KNOW THEORY OF
IT IS GOOD.
REALITY OF POLITICAL REALITY
IS PEOPLE ONLY WAY THEY HAVE
TO GET INTO THEIR JOBS
WILLING TO THEM IS THAT
PRETTY HEAVY THING TO DO.
IF YOU IT DOESN'T PROVIDE
THEM PUBLIC TRANSIT OPTION I
THINK YOU ARE BEING HARD ON
THEM.
INTERESTING ENOUGH TO ME
MINISTER TALKS ABOUT JOHNNIE
COME LATELY.
ALL OF THE EXAMPLES SHE
BROUGHT UP OF THINGS THAT
NEED TO BE DONE IN FIRST
EXAMPLE IS IS WERE ROAD NOT
PUBLIC TRANSIT
OPPORTUNITIES.
SECONDLY, YOU KNOW THE --
THE SHE AND HER FRIENDS AND
HER HAVE BEEN GOVERNMENT FOR
EIGHT YEARS IT IS GREAT TO
TALK ABOUT SMART GROWTH NOW.
I THINK IT IS GOOD STUFF AND
I SUSPECT WE MANY MANY
RECOMMENDATION THESE PANELS
COME UP WITH.
BUT, AS JORDAN WAS MENTION
AND RUTH WOULD MENTION IN
SHE WAS HERE THEY GUTTED
MANY PLANNING CONTROLS.

Steve says JORDAN WOULD GET WOULD
OUR TIME FOR THIS PANEL
DISCUSSION NOT HAVE EXPIRED
IN THE INTERIM.
MINISTER, EFPL.
YOU MADE IT THREE THE WHOLE
SHOW I KNOW HAVE YOU HAVING
ROUGH DAY AND YOU THOUGHT
UNITE HAVE TO WALK OFF IN
ANGER BUT IT ALL WORKED OUT
OKAY.

Helen says HE TEST IMMEDIATE, THOUGH.

Steve says HE DID.
HE TEMPTED YOU A LITTLE BIT.
HELL LOAN JOHN MPP.
PRINCIPALSTER OF
AGRICULTURAL THANK YOU FOR
VISITING YOU IS AT TVO TODAY
UP NEXT AEAVES SHUFFLES
CABINET IN SOME PREELECTION
TWEAKING.

A clip plays in which Ernie Eves gives a statement.

He says I PLACE A LOT OF EMIF
ON THE SMART GROWTH EXERCISE.
I THINK IT IS A -- IT IS HAT
NO BEEN EXERCISE IN MY MIND
CERTAINLY BUT, JUST EXER --
TALKING TO PEOPLE AND DOING
NOTHING IT ABOUT IT WE PLAN
TO FOLLOW THROUGH.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK
MR. YOUNG APPOINTMENT TODAY
SO IMPORTANT.
WE WANT TO HAVE A PERSON WHO
EXTREMELY CAPABLE.
WHO HAS CON STATION APPROACH
TO GOVERNMENT.
AND WHO IS IT WELL
RESPECTED.
AND I THINK THAT DAVID FITS
BILL IN ALL THOSE AREAS.

Now an MPP speaks.
A caption reads “Peter Kormos, NDP. MPP, Niagara Centre.”
Peter is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short white hair and glasses.

He says CLEARLY THIS PREELECTION
EFFORT GENERATE SOME NEW
INTERESTS IN WHERE THIS
GOVERNMENT IS GOING.
BUT WE TIRED OLD FACES
REMAINING IN CABINET WE
REALIZE IT IS NOT GOING
ANYWHERE.

The caption changes to "David Caplan, Liberal. MPP Don Valley East."
David is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair and glasses.

He says HARD WORK FOR ANY GOVERNMENT
IS COME UP WITH A POSITIVE PLAN.
AND THE INSTEAD OF THAT IT
SEEMS PREMIER DECIDE WANTS
TO SHUFFLE THE DECK OF MINOR
CHANGE TODAY.
AND IT IS GOOD GOING TO BE
INTERESTING TO SEE IF THEY
ARE EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO
DEVELOP THAT KIND OF
POSITIVE PLAN IN.

The caption changes to "David Young. Minister of Municipal Affairs."
David is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair.

He says I THINK CITIES AND TOWNS
VILLAINS VERY IMPORTANT TO
THE GOVERNMENT.
AND I GM TO MY UTMOST TO
ENSURE THEIR VOICE AND HEARD
IS THAT AGAIN THAT QUALITY
OF LIFE FOR PEOPLE IN THIS
PROVINCE IS NOT IMPROVED.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Steve says OKAY.
THOSE ARE NEW MARCHING
ORDERS FOR NEW MINISTERS OF
AFFAIRS.
HE WAS BIGEST NEW MAKE IN
SHUFFLE.
WASN'T TO GO YOU FIRST AND
ASK THIS IS MR. EAVES'S
CABINET SHUFFLE SINCE
BECOMING PREMIER LESS THAN A
YEAR AGO THERE ARE NO NEW
FACES IN THIS SHUFFLE.
AND I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT
THERE IS IT CONSIDERABLE
DISCONTENT ON THE BACK PWEB
MUCH AS NOW IN THE
CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS ABOUT
THE FACT THAT YOUR HEADING
INTO ELECTION CAMPAIGN WITH
A ESSENTIALLY THE SAME GANG
AND NO NEW FACES FEATURE.

Barry says I THINK THE FACT THAT THE
PREMIER DIDN'T ADD OR NEED
TO DELETE PEOPLE FROM THE
CABINET SUGGESTS THAT HE IS
SATISFIED WITH THE TEAM THAT
HE HAS AND AS YOU KNOW OEFPB
NEW PEOPLE ARE BROUGHT IN
WHEN THEIR PROBLEMS WITH
EXISTS MINISTERS AND I THINK
HE IS SATISFIED WITH CABINET
THAT HE HAS AND OBVIOUSLY
WITH MINISTER HOTSON
STEPPING ASIDE THAT WAS
PRECEPITATED THIS CHANGE.
BUT, AS SOME ONE INVOLVED
WITH SMART GROWTH IN ONTARIO
I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT
HAVING MINISTER YOUNG THERE
AS THE NEW MINISTER WHO WILL
LEAD THAT ARE SESS.

Steve says BECAUSE?

Barry says BECAUSE, I THINK HE IS --
HE IS DESH IS VERY CAPABLE
PERSON.
AND I THINK THAT HE IS
CONSULTATION BY NATURE IN
THE COMBATIVE.
I THINK THAT HE SKWRAOUPBDZ
STANDS THE GTA HE
UNDERSTANDS THE HIGH GROWTH
PART OF ONTARIO.
I THINK IT IS OFTEN FOR GENT
AS ATTORNEY GENERAL HE IS
ALSO WAS ALSO RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE ONTARIO NATIVE
AFFAIRS SECRETARY.
AND SO HE HAS DEALT WITH
RURAL ISSUES IN MOST RURAL
PART OF ONTARIO.
AND I THINK WE WILL BE VERY
WELL SUITED TO DEALING WITH
AT LOVE OF ISSUES IN.

Steve says ONTARIO LAWYERS
ASSOCIATION WOULD NOT AGREE
HE IS NOT COMBATIVE.
WE WHALE DID YOU THINK THE SHUFFLE?

Jordan says I SEE BARE HE WILL HAVE TIME
TO CHECK OUT NEW OFFICE.
I ASSUME THERE WILL BE
ELECTION THESE ARE MINISTERS
WHO I THINK ONES WE ARE PRO
MOMENT MERCHANDIZE
HIGHLIGHTED WITH ONES THAT
WILL HAVE HARD TIME HOLDING
THEIR SEATS.
THAT'S USUALLY ONE
CALCULATION IN LAST-MINUTE
CABINET SHUFFLE I DO THINK
IT IS FOCUSED ON DAVID
YOUNG'S APPOINTMENT TO
MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS I DON'T
THINK GOVERNMENT UNDERSTANDS
SMART GROWTH AND KEY TO
ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IN
FUTURE ATTRACTING TALENT AND
THAT'S DONE THROUGH QUALITY
PUBLIC SERVICE.
GOOD RECREATION AND GOOD
PUBLIC TRANSIT.
IT IS A PUBLIC MODEL.
WHERE THE PUBLIC IS
IMPOWERED NOT PRIVATE MODEL
THAT GOVERNMENT HAS RUN ON.
THAT WAS THEIR VISION THAT'S
WHERE THEY HAVE RECORD.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE TRYING
TO GET AWAY WITH.
I THINK TO AS LATE.

Steve says IF I PICK UP ON
FIRST PART OF THAT.
SHORING UP SOME SEATS THEY
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.
YOUR FROM OTTAWA TWO
MINISTERS GOT PROMOTED DO
THEY HAVE REASON TO BE
CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING THOSE
SEATS?

Richard says FOR SURE.

Steve says WHY DO YOU THINK SO.

Richard says WELL BRIAN COAL BURN FOR ONE,
IS GOING TO BE IN VERY TOUGH
BATTLE AND OTTAWA.
AND I THINK THEY ARE SHORING
THAT ONE UP A BIT.
I AM EXPECT EVEN DAVID YOUNG
WILL GET PRETTY GOOD RUN FOR
HIS MONEY.

Steve says Tories ARE NOT VERY POPULAR THERE.

Richard says NOR IN STERLING PRETTY
SAFE I DON'T WANT TO SAY
THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WHO
CANDIDATE IS THERE.
BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE SAFER
SEATS IN EASTERN ONTARIO.
AND BUT JORDAN IS RIGHT,
DAVID YOUK IF PROBABLY ONE
IMPRESSIVE MINISTERS IN THE
EAVES GOVERNMENT I WILL GIVE
YOU THAT.
BUT HE WON'T HAVE CHANCE TO
LEARN THIS PORTFOLIO WE WILL
BE ELECTION SHORTLY SO, THIS
IS MORE ABOUT EFFECTIVE
COMMUNICATORS TO TALK ABOUT
WHAT THEY MIGHT DO IF THEY
ARE ELEAKED IN THE CITIES AS
OPPOSED TO DOING ANYTHING OR
COMING UP WITH A PLAN.
AND I GATHER THE INSIDE SORT
OF OPEN ON THAT IS THAT ONLY
RECENTLY LET PREMIER KNOW
SHE IS SEEKING ERE'S ALSO
AND ONLY HALF THAT HAPPENED
PREMIER MADE HIS MOVE THE TO
BRING MR. YOUNG.

Steve says THAT IS FACT THE CASE YOU
WANT LAST IN FACT HELEN JOHN
WAS PRETTY IFFY UP UNTIL
LAST MINUTE ABOUT RUNNING
AGAIN I WAS GOING COMMENT ON
FACT HIS SOURCES MUST BE
BETTER THAN MINE IN TERMS OF
WHAT PREMIER.

Barry says WOE AGREE WITH THAT AS WELL.
WHAT PREMIER WILL DO IN
TERMS OF CALLING ELECTION.
BUT I -- I GUESS IT IS DAMED
IF YOU AND TKPAPLD YOU IT DOESN'T.
I THINK WHEN THIS GOVERNMENT
HAD A MINISTER MUNICIPAL
AFFAIRS FROM OUTSIDE TORONTO
THEY WERE CRITICIZING IN
TERMS NOT BEING SUFFICIENTLY
FOCUSED ON AROB ARE ON NOW
THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN
DRESSED WITH APPOINTING
MINISTER FROM TORONTO THEY
GET CRITICIZED FOR THAT TOO.

Steve says GENTLEMEN, MANY THANKS FOR THIS.
JORDAN BARRIE.
RICHARD UNTIL NEXT TAKE.
AND THAT'S FOURTH READ FOGER
UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY.
THANK YOU.
I AM STEVE PAIKIN.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Erica Balch.

Director, Michael Smith.

A production of TVOntario. Copyright 2003, The Ontario Educational Communications Authority.

Watch: The Future of Rural Ontario