Transcript: Urban Renewal and Campaign Ads | Feb 23, 2003

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS WEEK, SALVAGING OUR CITIES.
WILL THE FEDERAL BUDGET HELP
THE PROVINCES?

Steve, three panelists, and a guest around a table in the shape of a number 4. A logo on screen reads "4th reading."

Steve is in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a beige coat over a blue shirt.

Steve says GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.
I AM STEVE PAIKIN AND THIS IS
FOURTH READING.
CITIES AND TOWNS ARE
ANTICIPATING CHRETIEN'S FINAL
BUDGET AS PRIME MINISTER.
AFTER A A DECADE OF TIGHTENING
THEIR BELTS, THEY WERE HOPING
FOR MAJOR DOLLARS.
BETTER ROADS, BETTER TRANSIT,
INFRASTRUCTURE.
IN A MOMENT WE WILL HEAR FROM
THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR
URBAN AFFAIRS.
FIRST, SOME BACKGROUND.

A clip plays in which a politician speaks in the Parliament.

He says TODAY WE REAFFIRM OUR
COMMITMENT TO THE RENEW AL OF
CANADA'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

Steve says JOHN MANLEY HAD
MUNICIPALITIES FUMING AFTER
HIS BUDGET WAS LESS THAN WHAT
THEY WANTED.

A slate appears on screen, with the title “Federal spending.”
It shows that the commitment is to spend 3 billion dollars over 10 years for urban renewal, 100 million dollars this fiscal year, and 150 million dollars next year.

Steve says THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
HELPING BY EAR MARKING A
BILLION DOLLARS FOR LOW COST
HOUSING AND 135 MILLION FOR
HOMELESSNESS.
NEVER THELESS, ONTARIO'S
FINANCE MINISTER IS
DISAPPOINTED.

Janet Ecker gives a statement.
A caption reads “Janet Ecker. Ontario Finance Minister.”
Janet is in her late forties, with short brown hair and glasses.

She says THE INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT,
ONTARIO WILL SEE 38 MILLION dollars
OF THAT THIS NEXT YEAR.
WELL 38 MILLION dollars PAVES ABOUT
EIGHT KILOMETRES OF HIGHWAY 69.
38 MILLION dollars IS NOT GOING TO GO
VERY FAR FOR THE
INFRASTRUCTURE TPHAOESDZ WE HAVE.

Steve says OPPOSITION CRITICS
ARE SURPRISED BY THE LACK OF FUNDING.

The caption changes to "Gerry Phillips. Ontario Liberal Finance Critic."
Gerry is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with short blond hair.

He says THE PROVINCES SPENDING LESS
THAN TWO BILLION DOLLARS A
YEAR ON INFRASTRUCTURE IN
ONTARIO.
ONTARIO IS NOT BLAMELESS BUT I
HAD EXPECTED MORE
INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
WASN'T THERE.

Steve says CRITICS SAY PEOPLE
WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES
SHOULDN'T THROW STONES.
THEY ACCUSE THE PROVINCIAL
TORERIES OF UNDER FUNDING.

The caption changes to "Dave Christopherson. Ontario NDP Finance Critic."
Dave is in his fifties, with short brown hair, a moustache, and glasses.

He says MUNICIPALITIES,
INFRASTRUCTURE, TRANSIT, ALL
THE ISSUES THEY HAVE ABANDONED
TO PAY FOR TAX CUTS ARE THE
AREAS THEY ARE SAYING THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LET THEM DOWN.
WE HAVE BEEN LET DOWN BY THE
TORERIES IN QUEENS PARK, NOW
WE HAVE BEEN LET DOWN BY THE
LIBERALS IN OTTAWA.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Steve says JOHN MANLEY'S BUDGE
IT, SOLID LONG NEEDED
INVESTMENTS OR A BIG
DISAPPOINTMENT?
LET'S FIND OUT FROM TINA
MOLINARI.
MPP, WELCOME BACK.

Tina says THANK YOU.

Steve says THE FOURTH READING
GROUP, RUTH GRIER, BOB
RICHARDSON, AND JULIA BROWN.
WE HAVE SO MANY EXPERTS HERE.
MY GOD, ITS ALL HERE.
OKAY.
MINISTER, WHAT MARK DO YOU
GIVE MANLEY'S BUDGE IT IN
TERMS OF THE CITIES AND TOWNS?

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Tina Molinari. Ontario Associate Minister of Municipal Affairs."
Tina is in her late thirties, with wavy auburn hair. She’s wearing a gray blazer.

She says ITS DISAPPOINTING
CONSIDERING THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT PUT OUT JUDY SCROLL
TO DO IN HER TASK FORCE -- GO
ACROSS THE KOUPBG TRY AND
CONSULT AND SEE WHAT THE
CITIES NEEDED.
THREE BILLION DOLLARS IS
LACKING IN WHAT WE NEED IN
ONTARIO AND ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
ITS BARELY ENOUGH FOR THE --
AS THE MINISTER OF FINANCE
SAID TO PWEULTD ANY ROADS.

Steve says BUT THE HEAD OF THE
FEDERATION OF MUNICIPALITIES
SAY THEY NEED 58 BILLION.
YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GET THAT?
HOW CLOSE DID THEY GET?

Tina says THEY ARE FAR FROM THE RIGHT NUMBER.
THREE BILLION IS FAR SHORT.
WE HAVE INVESTED THREE BILLION
OVER TEN YEARS IN TRANSIT AND
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE PROVINCE
OF ONTARIO.
FOR THEM TO INVEST THREE
BILLION ACROSS IS COUNTRY, YOU
CAN TELL HOW LACKING IT IS.

Steve says WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE
PREFERRED TO SEE IN THE BUDGET
THAT WASN'T THERE?

Tina says WHAT THIS BUDGET HAS -- ITS
A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.
IT DOESN'T FOCUS ON ANYONE
AREA IN DEPTH.
ITS SPREAD OVER OTHER PBG --
OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
THERE IS NO COMMITMENT TO
ADDRESS THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS.
ITS SPREAD OUT OVER A LONG
PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH I THINK
THEY SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED
SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS
FROM THE REPORT.

Steve says DO YOU THINK THERE
IS ANY POSSIBILITY THAT WE
WON'T SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY OF
THE COMMITMENTS THEY MADE
THREE YEARS OUT?

Tina says ITS A POSSIBILITY.
IF THEY ARE NOT IN GOVERNMENT
NEXT TIME AROUND THEY DON'T
HAVE TO FULFILL THEM.

Steve says PAUL MARTIN GAVE A
SPEECH, TALKING ABOUT A NEW
DEAL FOR CITIES.
DO YOU SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT?

The caption changes to "Bob Richardson. Former Ontario Liberal Chief of Staff."
Bob is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short black hair and glasses. He’s wearing a gray suit over a white shirt.

He says I THINK THERE WERE GOOD
THINGS IN MANLEY'S BUDGETS.
THEY DID A GOOD JOB ON HOUSING,
HOMELESS.
THEY PROVIDED SUPPORT FOR DAY
CARE, NEW SERVICES FOR
IMMIGRANTS.
I THINK ITS DISAPPOINTING
WHEN IT COMES TO
INFRASTRUCTURE.
I WOULD AGREE WITH THE
MINISTER ON THAT POINT.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD.
I THINK ITS TOO LITTLE MONEY
OVER TOO LONG A PERIOD OF TIME.
I THINK THERE WAS A LACK OF
COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC TRANSIT.
SO I GIVE THEM MIXED MARKS.

Steve says HOW ABOUT YOU, RUTH?

The caption changes to "Ruth Grier. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."
Ruth is in her sixties, with short white hair and glasses. She’s wearing a purple blazer.

She says TPRS NO NEW DEAL FOR
CITIES.
WHAT IS DISAPPOINTING IS
THERE IS NO STATEMENT OF A A
KHAFRPBG OH OF HEART, THAT THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOW
GOING TO TAKE THE NEEDS OF
CITIES SERIOUSLY.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT LED
ME TO BELIEVE WHAT THE FINANCE
MINISTER JAN MANLEY IS SAYING,
WHICH THAT THIS IS A DOWN
PAYMENT.
THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THERE
WILL BE MORE.
ITS ALL SPREAD OVER A VERY
LONG TIME.
I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT, OKAY, WE
KNOW WE DIDN'T CAUSE ALL THE
PROBLEMS WITH STPEUS BUT
WITHOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
THE PROBLEMS WON'T BE SOLVED.
I WOULD HAVE LIKED THEM TO
HAVE SAID THRAEU UNDERSTOOD THAT.

Steve says JULIA, YOU USED TO
WORK FOR A MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS
MINISTER AND YOU KNOW WHAT ITS
LIKE WHEN EVERYBODY SAYS I
NEED X MILLION FOR THIS, X
MILLION FOR THIS.
YOU CAN'T GIVE EVERYBODY WHAT
THEY WANT.
SO IS THERE ANY ROOM IN YOUR
RAERT FOR JOHN MANLEY AS HE
TRIES TO BALNESS THE COMPETING
INTERESTS?

The caption changes to "Julia Brown. Former Ontario PC Aide, Municipal Affairs."
Julia is in her late thirties, with long auburn hair in a ponytail and bangs. She’s wearing a green jacket.

She says I THINK THAT YOU MAKE A
GOOD POINT.
OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE UNDER
PRESSURE IN HIS POSITION TO BE
ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE BUT
WE KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T BE.
I THINK THAT IS WHERE, UM,
BEING THE MINISTER OF FINANCE
COMES IN.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE DIFFICULT
DECISIONS, DECIDE WHERE YOU
ARE GOING TO INVEST.
I THINK OUR CITIES ARE THE
HUBS OF THE ECONOMY.
THEY ARE WHAT MAKE THE NATION
WORK.
THE CITIES ARE THE HEART AND
THE VEINS GO OUT.
IF I THINK ITS WHERE HE NEEDED
TO TAKE THE TOUGH DECISION TO
INVEST MORE IN THE CITIES TO
MAKE THE ECONOMY WORK BETTER,
REAP THE ECONOMIC REWARDS DOWN
THE LINE THAT WOULD ALLOW HIM
TO GIVE THE MONEY TO THE OTHER
SECTORS.

Ruth says STEVE HE IS ALSO PARTLY THE
VICTIM OF HIS OWN
EXPECTATIONS.
I THINK EVERYBODY WAS LED TO
BELIEVE WE HAVE A SURPLUS, WE
UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN
SAYING, MR. MAYOR.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT.
BUT ITS FASCINATING TO HEAR
YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE
NEEDS OF CITIES AND PERHAPS WE
WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT HASN'T
HAPPENED AT THE PROVINCIAL
LEVEL.
HA-HA.

Bob says THE PROVINCE BEARS A LOT OF
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WAY
CITIES ARE.
THERE HAS BEEN NO AFFORDABLE
HOUSING BUILT IN A LONG TIME.
THEY GOT OUT OF THE PUBLIC
TRANSIT BUSINESS FOR FOUR
YEARS.
IT WAS UNDER FUNDED MASSIVELY.
HUGE AMOUNT OF DOWNLOADING,
PARTICULARLY ON THE CITY OF
TORONTO.
WHAT HAS THAT DONE?
PRODUCED SKYROCKETING PROPERTY
TAXES BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY
REVENUE CITIES HAVE.
I THINK THE PROVINCE BEARS A
LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE
STATE THE CITIES ARE IN.

Steve says IF I CAN READ
BETWEEN BOB'S LINES HE IS
SAYING ITS PRECIOUS ABOUT THE
PROVINCE TO COMPLAIN SINCE IN
HIS VIEW YOU ARE NOT DOING
THAT GOOD A JOB TO BEGIN WITH.

Tina says WHEN I WAS APPOINTED
SOUTHEAST YACHT MINISTER FOR
URBAN AFFAIRS, ONE OF THE
FIRST THINGS I DID WAS ENGAGE
IN A CONSULTATION PROCESS.
I TRAVELED ACROSS THE PROVINCE
TALKING TO POLITICIANS AND
STAKE HOLDERS IN THE CITIES.
IN THAT CONSULTATION PROCESS,
I WAS APBL TO GAIN A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE
INDIVIDUAL NEEDS ARE.
NO TWO CITIES ARE ALIKE.
NO TWO PROVE EUPBTSES IN THE
COUNTRY ARE ALIKE.
NOW THE IMPORTANT THING TO
RECOGNIZE IS THAT ITS A SHARED
RESPONSIBILITY.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT,
PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT AND
MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT HAVE TO
TAKE OWNERSHIP IN SEEING THE
CITY IS THE BEST THAT IT CAN
BE.
WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THEY ARE
NOT THE SAME.
ANYONE POLICY, ANYONE DECISION
IS NOT ONE THAT WOULD MEET ALL
THE REQUIREMENTS

Steve says IF I CAN READ
BETWEEN TINA MOLINARI'S LINES,
I WOULD SUGGEST THERE WILL BE
NEW MONEY FOR CITIES IN YOUR
BUDGET NEXT MONTH?

Tina says THE PREMIER HAS MADE
STATEMENTS AT THE LAST AMO
CONFERENCE HE STATED --

Steve says AMO, ASSOCIATE OF
MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO.

Tina says YES.
SO THERE IS A COMMITMENT TO
RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITIES ARE
THE HUB OF THE PROVINCE.
HE TALKED ABOUT REVENUE
SHARING, A POSSIBILITY OF
COMING UP WITH SOME SOURCE OF
REVENUE SHARING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE CITIES
ARE SAYING IS THE FACT THAT
THE REVENUE THEY GENERATE IS
NOT REVENUE THAT CAN TAKE THEM
LONG TERM.
THEY WANT LONG TERM
SUSTAINABILITY FOR THE REVENUE
THEY TAKE IN.

Steve says THEIR REVENUE BASE
IS THE PROPERTY TAX AND THEY
WANT A PIECE OF THE GAS TAX OR
SOMETHING ELSE.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN
IMAGINE?

Ruth says OF COURSE!
ITS PART OF THE PLATFORM, A
NUMBER OF CENTS FROM THE GAS
TAX GO INTO A FUND FOR CITIES.

Steve says EVEN PAUL MARTIN
BELIEVES THAT.

Ruth says WELL HE Z HASN'T DELIVERED
THAT AND WE WILL!
BUT TO HEAR THE MINISTER TALK
ABOUT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF
CITIES, I MEAN THIS GOVERNMENT
HAS BEEN THERE SEVEN YEARS AND
CITIES HAVE BEEN SQUEEZED AND
DOWNLOADED TO WITH NO
COMMITMENT OR UNDERSTANDING
THAT CITIES ARE THE ENGINES OF
THE ECONOMY.
YOU KNOW.
WE STILL HAVEN'T SEEN ANY
EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THAT WILL
BE DELIVERED.

Bob says I THINK WE ARE WITNESSING A,
UM DEATH BED POLITICAL
CONVERSION HERE.

Steve says BY WHOM?

Bob says BY THE EVES GOVERNMENT.
AFTER BEING IN OFFICE SEVEN
YEARS THEY HAVE NOT PROVIDED
REVENUE FOR THE CITIES.
NOW THAT THE LIBERALS HAVE
IT IN THE PLATFORM AND NDP,
THEY ARE TAKING A LOOK.
MR. EVES WHEN HE WRAPB FOR
LEADER OF THE PARTY SPOKE
TKPWHREPBST REV -- AGAINST
REVENUE SHARING.
SO ITS A DEATH BED POLITICAL
CONVERSION.

Steve says JULIA?

Julia says I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ISSUE
WITH THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY
ONE OF THE INITIATIVES OUR
GOVERNMENT IMPLEMENTED IS
SMART GROWTH.
THE PURPOSE WAS TO GET PAST
THE STAGE THAT WE SEEM TO BE
AT OF PASSING THE BUCK.
I THINK WE HAVE RECOGNIZED
THAT ITS THE INFRASTRUCTURE
PORTION THAT NEEDS TO BE
FOCUSED ON.

Steve says WHEN YOU SAY
INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU MEAN WHAT?

Julia says TRANSIT, ROADS, BRIDGES, SEWERS.

Ruth says HOW IS SMART GROWTH GOING
TO DO THAT?

Julia says THE POINT IS TO DEVELOP A PLAN.
THERE WAS BUY-IN FROM THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
MINISTER MANLEY HAS REPTIVES
ON THE SMART GROWTH PANELS.
THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LISTENING
TO THE DISCUSSIONS.

Steve says HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER?

Julia says HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
HE AGREED WHAT WE NEEDED WAS
TO CREATE A PLAN AND FUND THE PLAN.

[OVERLAPPING VOICES]

Steve says CAN YOU DO THE KIND
OF SMART GROWTH PLANS YOU
OUTLINED AND PUSHED TO THIS
POSITION, GIVEN WHAT RESOURCES
YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN IN THE
BUDGET?

Tina says NOT WITH THE RESOURCES BY
THE FEDERAL BUDGET.
WE ARE GOING TO ENCOURAGE
CITIESES AND MAYORS TO LOBBY
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO COME
UP WITH MORE MONEY FOR THE
PROVINCE.
THE SMART GROWTH PANEL IS --
WE HAVE FIVE PANELS ACROSS THE
PROVINCE THAT ARE WORKING ON A
PLAN TO PROVIDE FOR THE
SUSTAIN BLTD MUNICIPALITIES
NEED.
THE PANEL FOR GTA IS COMING UP
WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF KEY
THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

Steve says AND THE PUBLIC WILL
GET A LOOK AT THAT?

Tina says YES NEXT WEEK.
SO ETSZ A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT IS
DO ABLE FOR THE LONG TIME YOU
HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN.
YOU HAVE TO GO DO THE
CONSULTATION AND LISTEN TO THE
PEOPLE.

Steve says RUTH, SORRY WE
DIDN'T GET A SHOT OF YOU THERE
GOING -- BANGING YOUR HEAD ON
THE TABLE.

Ruth says BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN
PLANNING FOR THE GREATER
TORONTO AREA SINCE THE
PETERSON GOVERNMENT.
ALL THE WORK WAS SET IN 1995.
NOW WE HAVE SMART GROWTH.
SPHRART GROWTH WAS ABLE
CURBING URBAN SPRAWL.
AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE
PANELS LOOKING, WE HAVE THE
MINISTRY OF TRANSPORTATION OUT
THERE PLANNING HIGHWAYS, WHICH
WILL ENCOURAGE SPRAWL.
WE HAVE THE MINISTER OF
NATURAL RESOURCES UNDER NINING
THE NIAGARA PLAN.
WE HAVE THE MINISTER OF THE
ENVIRONMENT HANDING OFF OUR
WATER RESOURCES TO COMPANIES.
SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT AS A
WHOLE HASN'T GOT SMART GROWTH.
WE WILL GET A NICE VISION OF
SMART GROWTH BUT ACTIONS SPEED
LOUDER THAN WORDS!
THERE IS NO MONEY!
THERE IS NO POLICY TO MAKE
GROWTH SMART.

Bob says MAYOR WHO HEADS THE PANEL,
SHE SAID THIS WEEK THE BOTTOM
LINE IS MONEY.
SHE SAID YOU CAN'T CONTINUE TO
DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING ON THE
BACKS OF PROPERTY TAXPAYERS.
THEY NEED A SOURSZ OF REVENUE.
THAT IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

Steve says JULIA?
DID YOU WANT IN?

Julia says I WAS GOING TO SAY I AGREE
BUT I THINK AGAIN THIS NEEDS
TO RISE ABOVE PARTISAN
POLITICS AND THE THREE LEVELS
OF GOVERNMENT HAVE TO AGREE TO
A PLAN AND MOVE ON THE PLAN.

[OVERLAPPING VOICES].

Julia says MYLE OF ELECTION CAMPAIGN.

Ruth says NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

Steve says ONE OF THE THINGS I
HEAR IS THAT MAYORS AND
COUNSELORS WHO HAVE BEEN
UNIVERSAL IN THE CONDEMNATION
OF THIS MANLEY BUDGET, THEY
ARE NOT TAKING EVERYTHING INTO
ACCOUNT.
THEY ARE NOT TAKING INTO
ACCOUNT THE MONEY FOR
HOMELESSNESS, HOUSING, KYOTO
MONEY TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
THE MUNICIPALITIES WILL SEE
THAT.
THERE IS A BILLION DOLLARS
EXTRA FOR SMALL SCALE
PROJECTS.
THEY BELIEVE, THE FEDS, AT THE
END OF THE DAY YOU GUYS ARE
PLAYING FOOTSEU BECAUSE ITS
ELECTION CAMPAIGN.

Tina says ABSOLUTELY ABSURD.
NO.
IF THERE IS MONEY COMING
THROUGH TO THE PROVINCE TO
ASSIST, WE WILL IN TURN WORK
WITH THEM TO SEE THEY GET THE
BENEFIT OF THE MONEY.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT PARTISAN.
ITS ABLE HELPING
MUNICIPALITIES.
NOW THE SMART GROWTH PANEL IS
DOING THE CONSULTATION
PROCESS.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO BAND
AID SOLUTIONS.
THE SMART GROWTH PANELS WILL
PLAN WHAT IS BEST FOR THIRTY
YEARS PL WE HAVE TO DO THE
GROWTH IN A SMART WAY ON
MAKING SURE THAT ITS
SUSTAINABLE THROUGH THE
FUTURE.

Steve says IS THAT LIKELY TO
HAPPEN DURING -- ITS SILLY
SEASON NOW, RIGHT?
THE ELECTION WILL BE CALLED SOON.

Tina says COULD BE ANYTIME.

Ruth says MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS WILL FOLLOW.
SO YOU HAVE ALL THE
POLITICIANS LOOKING TO
ELECTION.
AT THE ENDS OF A MANDATE
FINALLY BEGINNING TO TALK
ABOUT PLANNING IS UNREALISTIC
PL I WAS HOLDING MY HEAD
BECAUSE I HATE THE WASTE OF
TIME THAT HAS ALLOWED SPRAWL
TO CONTINUE UNCHECKEDDED --
UNCHECKED FOR SEVEN YEARS.

Steve says BUT THEY SAY YOU
DIDN'T DO A LOT WHILE YOU WERE
IN OFFICE.

Ruth says THERE WAS A PLANNING ACT THERE.
THERE WAS A GTA POLICY
STATEMENT I PULLED TODAY.
THE REPORT ISSUED IN 1992
SAYING VERY MUCH THE SAME
THINGS ABOUT A VISION FOR THE
GTA!
SO THAT WE HAVE BEEN PLANNING
AND TALKING ABOUT VISIONING
BUT WE ARE STILL ALLOWED THE
SPRAWL!
THAT IS NOT -- THAT'S NOT
ECONOMICALLY SUSTAINABLE.

Bob says YOU NEED ACTION NOW.
YOU NEED TO GIVE SUSTAINABLE
FUNDING TO MUNICIPALITIES
WHICH IS A REVENUE SOURCE, TWO
CENTS ON THE GAS TAX.
YOU NEED TO BUILD AFFORDABLE
HOUSING.
YOU HAVE TO FUND PUBLIC
TRANSIT.
I MEAN YOU PASS A RESOLUTION
SUPPORTING KYOTO BUT DON'T
MENTION PUBLIC TRANS SIT.
SO I THINK ITS A POX BUT THOSE
ARE CONCRETE THINGS YOU NEED
TO DO TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.

Steve says MINISTER, ALL OF
THOSE THINGS, THE LIST BOB
BROUGHT FORWARD, DO YOU
ANTICIPATE WE WILL SEE SOME OF
THOSE THINGS IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET?

Tina says HE BROUGHT UP THE GAS TAX.
THE LIBERALS PROPOSAL
INPUTTING TWO CENTS ON THE GAS
TAX AND -- [OVERLAPPING
VOICES] -- WE ARE INVESTING
MORE.
WE ARE INVESTING THREE BILLION
DOLLARS IN TRANSPORTATION,
WHICH IS MORE THAN ANY OF
THOSE WOULD GENERATE.

[OVERLAPPING VOICES].

Ruth says IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS
BEING SPENT?

Tina says IN THIS BUDGET I ANTICIPATE
THAT WE WILL BE -- MAKE OUR
COMMITMENTS TO THE
MUNICIPALITIES.
THE PREMIER HAS MADE A
COMMITMENT.
WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
SMART GROWTH PANELS FOR
RECOMMENDATIONS SO IN WILL BE
A SMART GROWTH PLAN FOR THE
NEXT 30 YEARS.

Steve says TINA MOLINARI,
THANKS FOR VISITING US TODAY.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR VIEWS.
THE REST OF YOU, STAND BY.
UP NEXT, THE FIRST LOOK AT A
TORE RISE ELECTION AD CAMPAIGN.

An ad plays with the caption “PC Advertisment.”

Music plays.
A black and white picture set in the 50s shows a man and his son who is about 8.

A male voice says MY DAD WORKED AT A FACTORY
IN WINDSOR.

Ernie Eves appears with the caption “Premier Ernie Eves.”

He continues MY MOM GREW UP ON A FARM.
HER PARENTS CAME FROM THE UKRAINE.
THEY WORKED HARD TO MAKE ENDS MEET.
I WORKED HARD TO PUT MYSELF
THROUGH SCHOOL.
MY EXPERIENCE HAS SHAPED ME
AND LED TO MY PASSION FOR
MAKING THINGS RIGHT.
FOR MAKING THINGS BETTER.
FOR MAKING ONTARIO BETTER AND
FOR GIVING EVERYONE EQUAL
CHANCE TO SUCCEED.
MY EXPERIENCE HAS INFLUENCED
MY DECISIONS.
THEY AFFECT HOW I CONSIDER
DIFFERENT POINTS OF SRAOEU AND
BALANCE PRIORITIES.
I MAKE MY DEVISIONSES BASED ON
HOW THEUFRPBGS ARE TODAY AND
WHAT KINDS OF ONTARIO WE WANT
FOR TOMORROW.
WHEN YOU ARE PREMIER YOU
AFFECT PEOPLE'S LIVES.
YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE PROMISES.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS.
THE MORE EXPERIENCE YOU CAN
BRING TO THE JOB THE BETTER.

An end slate reads “Premier Ernie Eves. Experience for the road ahead.”

The clip ends.

Steve says WELL I GOT TO START
WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS
CONSULTANT ON THIS ONE.
WHAT DID YOU THINK?

Bob says WELL I THINK EVERYONE'S
TRYING TO OUT-NICE THEMSELVES.
YOU HAD THE LIBERALS DOING
NICE ADS, THE TORE RISE HERE.
WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO IS
POSITION MIKE AS THE GUY FROM
MAIN STREET.
YOU KNOW, THE -- YOU MEAN ERNIE.
SORRY, ERNIE.
THEY ARE TRYING TO POSITION
EASTERN E FROM THE GUY FROM
MAIN STREET THAT EATS AT SWISS
CHALET.
THE TRUTH IS HE IS FROM BAY
STREET AND EATS AT CREDIT
SWISS CHALET.

Steve says TERRIBLE!

Bob says COULDN'T HELP IT.

Ruth says I HAD PBTD SEEN IT.
SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT I THINK.
I NEED TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN BUT
I AM SURPRISED IN A WAY THAT
THEY FEEL THE NEED TO FOCUS ON
ERNIE.
THE POLLS SEEM TO HAVE SHOWN
THAT SURPRISEABLY PEOPLE THINK
HE IS THE BEST LEADER FOR THE
PROVINCE.
THE HREUB RELATES, THE
SHOWCASE WAS TO TRY TO COUNTER
THE IMPWREGS TKALTON WAS NOT A
GOOD LEADER.
THEY ARE FOCUSING ON EASTERN E
E -- ERNIE.
I AM NOT SURE IT WORKS.
THERE WASN'T AS MUCH WORMth --
WARMED IN IT.

Steve says ADS ARE DESIGNED TO
SHOWCASE A LEADERS STRENGTH.
CLEARLY IN THIS CASE THEY ARE
GOING FOR EXPERIENCE.
BUT THEY ARE ALSO DESIGNED TO
COUNTER WEAKNESSES.
WHAT ARE MR. EVES' WEAKNESSES
YOU BELIEVE THIS IS DESIGNED
TO COUNTER?

Julia says I BELIEVE ITS A WEAKNESS
TRUE OF ALL POLL SITUATIONS
WHICH IS THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION
THAT THE POLL SITUATIONS ARE
EVIL PEOPLE WHO RUN FOR OFFICE
FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES AND NOT
BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DEEP
CARING FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES
AND THE PEOPLE OF WHEREVER
THEY COME FROM.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT THAT AD
IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE, TO
EXPLAIN WHO ERNIE EVES IS,
WHERE HE COMES FROM, THE FACT
THAT HE GOT IN POLITICS
BECAUSE HE CARES ABOUT THE
PEOPLE OF ONTARIO.

Bob says I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
DON'T KNOW WHO A NEW PREMIER
IS SO THEY ARE TRYING TO ROLL
HIM OUT SO PEOPLE GET A SENSE
OF WHO HE IS.
I THINK THERE IS ANOTHER POINT
TOO.
THE REASON THEY ARE DOING THE
ADS AT THIS POINT IS NAY HAVE
NOTHING TO SAY.
THEY HAVE NO PLATFORM.
THEY HAVE NO POLICIES THEY ARE
GO ARINGS WITH.
THEY HAVE UNVEILED NOTHING.
SO REALLY WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK
AT IT IT WAS A CHINESE FOOD OF
ASDZ YOU WERE HUNGRY AFTER
SEEING IT BECAUSE THERE WAS
REALLY NOTHING THERE.
THERE IS NO THERE THERE.

Steve says FAR BE IT FROM ME TO
DEFEND THE GOVERNMENT, HOWEVER
I THINK THEY WOULD TELL YOU
POLICY IS COMING SOON.
THEY WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THE
GUY HAS BEEN IN PUBLIC LIFE
FOR 20 YEARS AND HAS THE EXPERIENCE.

Ruth says THEY ARE ALSO SHOWING IT
BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE THAT
POLICY IS PERHAPS LESS OF A
VOTE-DETERMINING ISSUE THAN
WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE THE LEADER.
LIKE IT OR NOT THAT IS THE
KIND OF SYSTEM THAT HAS EVOLVED.
SO PEOPLE WILL CAST THEIR VOTE
AND MORE PEOPLE WILL DETERMINE
HOW THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE
BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY
LIKE A PARTY'S LEADER THAN THE POLICY.

Steve says LET'S PICK UP ON
WHAT BOB SAID, BOTH SIDES
TRYING TO OUT-NICE EACH OTHER.
AT THIS POINT THE LAST TIME
THE TORERIES WERE RUNNING
UNFLAT TERING ADS.
THE FIRST SHOT THIS TIME IS
TOUCHY FEELY, SOFT MUSIC,
ERNIE WITHOUT A JACKET ON, IN
THE OFFICE.
YOU KNOW.
ALL VERY SOFT STUFF.
WHY DO YOU THINK THE DIFFERENT
APPROACH?

Julia says I DON'T THINK WE HAD A LOT
TO COUNTER SINCE THE OTHER AD
WAS STANDING IN THE SNOW
TELLING US HE IS NOT CYNICAL.
I THINK THE PREMIER FELT HE
COULD USE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
REINTRODUCE HIMSELF TO THE
PUBLIC, REMIND THE PUBLIC HE
IS THE PERSON WITH THE
EXPERIENCE.
I THINK THE POLICY WILL BE
COMING AND THEN WE WILL SEE
HARDER-HITTING ASDZ?

Steve says TAKE IT TO THE BANK.

[LAUGHTER]

Ruth says THE CUT LINE THAT SAID I AM
NOT MIKE HARRIS?
I THINK THAT IS THE MOTOR VASHON.

Steve says THEY ARE RUNNING THEIR GUY
AS MR. EXPERIENCE.

Bob says THE REASON THEY ARE NOT
ATTACKING HIM IS HE IS UP TO
THE JOB THIS TIME.
HE HAS A FULL SLATE OF
POLICIES.
HE HAS BEEN OPPOSITION LEADER,
LED FOR A WHILE.
HE HAS THE PARTY IN GREAT
SHAPE.

Ruth says AND THERE IS A THIRD GUY.

Steve says THIS RAISES THE
QUESTION, WHERE ARE THE
HAMILTON ADS?

Ruth says I DON'T KNOW BUT I CAN AS
SURE YOU THEY WILL HAVE
CONTENT, THEY WILL DEMONSTRATE
LEADERSHIP HOWARD HAS SHOWN.
AND WE THEN MAY HAVE ELECTION
CAMPAIGN.

Steve says YOU NEVER HAVE TO AS
SURE US NDP ADS WILL HAVE
CONTENT.
IT STANDS FOR CONTENT.

Ruth says ONE PARTY HAS TO.

Steve says THERE YOU GO.
NICE SHOT.
BOB, JULIE, RUTH, AS ALWAYS.

Steve says THAT IS FOURTH
READING.
I AM STEVE PAIKIN.
UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY, THRAPBG
YOU.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Erica Balch.

Director, Michael Smith.

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