Transcript: Fourth Reading - Show 294 | Dec 22, 2002

The opening sequence rolls.

Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS WEEK ON FOURTH
READING.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HANDS
ON YOUR BUZZ RS, PLEASE IT
IS THIRD ANNUAL QUEEN'S PARK
TRIVIA QUIZ.

Steve, Ruth, Richard, Mac and Michael sit with two guests around a table in the shape of a number 4.

Steve is in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a green blazer over a white gingham shirt.

Michael Bryant is in his forties, clean-shaven and with short straight brown hair. He wears a black suit, pale blue shirt and a polka dotted blue tie.

Ruth Grier is in her sixties, with short white hair. She wears a colourful print tunic over a black mock neck T-shirt and a couple of pendant necklaces.

Richard Mahoney is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short white hair. He wears a blue suit, a white shirt and a polka dotted silver gray tie.

Mac Penny is in his late fifties, clean-shaven and balding. He wears a black suit, a gray shirt and a printed gray and blue tie.

Steve says HI EVERYBODY WELCOME TO
LITTLE DIFFERENT VERSION OF
FOURTH READING.
MPPs ARE BACK FOR
WINTER BREAK AND AT THE
QUEEN’S PARK NOT A CREATURE IS
STIRRING NOT EVEN A MOUSE SO
THIS WEEK, A SHOW WITH A
TWIST.
IT IS THE THIRD ANNUAL
QUEEN'S PARK TRIVIA CONTEST.

The guests shake maracas, tambourines and other party props.

Steve says OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
PARTICIPATION SO FAR.
OUR SPECIAL GUEST FOR THIS
OCCASION IS MICHAEL BRYANT
LIBERAL MPP FOR ST. PAUL HE
IS BACK BECAUSE WE ARE IN ST.
PAUL'S RIDING.
AND SAY HELLO TO OUR
REGULAR PANELIST THIS IS
RUTH GRIER.
AND FROM CAPITAL AND THERE
IS RICHARD MAHONEY AND
FINALLY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
THERE IS MAC PENNEY.
FOLKS I THINK YOU KNOW THE
RULES.
FIRST OF ALL ANYTHING ABOUT
LAST YEAR YOU WANT TO
CLARIFY BEFORE WE GET
STARTED?

Richard says JUST THAT RUTH DID NOT
REALLY WIN.
IT WAS COOKED UP BY THE
PRODUCERS.

Ruth says I WANTED TO MAKE THE
POINT DAY THAT WIN LAST
YEAR.

Steve says I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU
WANTED TO SAY.

Richard says THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION
JUST A GAME BELONG FRIENDS.

Steve says SUSANNA KELLEY OF BACK
ROOM 411 IN CONTROL ROOM SHE
IS KEEPING SCORE IF YOU
PROBLEMS AFTERWARDS YOU HAVE
TO DEAL WITH HER.

Mac says IS THERE VIDEO REPLAY?
I REQUESTED VIDEO REPLAY
THIS YEAR.

Steve says ONE POINT FOR CORRECT
ANSWER.
WE TAKE A POINT AWAY IF
ANSWERS ARE STUPID.
SO IT DOESN'T ANSWER QUEEN
VICTORIA TO EVERY ANSWER.
WE WILL GIVE POINT FOR
INCREDIBLE WITTY ANSWER.
WE ARE TRYING TO BE
SENSITIVE TO YOUR NEEDS.
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO LET'S GET
IT STARTED WE LIKE TO
WARNING OUR VIEWERS AT HOME
THIS GAME FOR PROFESSIONALS
SO IF YOU ARE PLAYING
ALONG NO WAGERING.
LET'S GET STARTED.
WOULD YOU:

A question appears on screen that reads "Where was the first legislature in Upper Canada convened?"

Ruth says NIAGARA ON-THE-LAKE.

Steve says COULD WE SEE THE ANSWER,
PLEASE?
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT AND
THAT'S IT.

A picture of an old building appears and Steve says RUTH YOU ARE RIGHT.
171982 THAT NAVY HAUL.
WELL DONE RUTH.
THERE IT POINT FOR RUTH.

Ruth says MY HUSBAND’S ANCESTORS WAS
THERE.

Steve says YES.
WOULD YOU ACKNOWLEDGE RUTH
IS NOW LEADING?

Richard says SHE IS LEADING.

Steve says OKAY.
VERY GOOD .

Richard says NO RECOUNT NECESSARY AT
THE POINT.

Steve says TAKE A LOOK AT THE MONITORS, WE WANT TO
SHOW YOU ANOTHER PICTURE AND
HERE IT COMES.
IT WAS SORT OF THE PICTURE.
THERE IT IS RIGHT.
THAT'S QUEEN'S PARK.
WHAT YEAR DID IT --.

Mac honks.

Steve says YES, MAC.

Mac says 1896.

Steve says I WAS GOING TO SAY WHAT
YEAR DID OPEN.
THAT'S NOT RIGHT BUT PRETTY
CLOSE.

Ruth says 1897.

Michael says 1985 AND THAT'S MY FINAL
OFFER.

Steve says THAT'S YOUR FINAL OFFER.
YOU ARE CLOSEST SO FOR YOU
WANT TO GIVE IT TRY.

Richard says 1894.

Steve says IT IS ACTUALLY 1893.

Richard says STUPID ON THEIR PART.

Steve says KELLEY CAN DECIDE HOW SHE
WANTS TO DIV VIEW MARKS
THERE.
1894 IS PRETTY CLOSE.
HERE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT
THE LEGISLATURE.
AS YOU ALL KNOW DOUBT KNOW
THERE WAS A FIRE THAT SWEPT
THROUGH QUEEN'S PARK:

The question reads "What year did fire sweep through Queen’s Park, destroying the attic, library and upper west wing?"

Mac says 1895.

Steve says NO, SIR:

Ruth says 1923.

Steve says THAT'S TOO LATE.
WHO WANTS IN ON THIS.

Michael says 1917.

Steve says THAT'S CLOSER.

Richard says 1919.

Steve says THAT IS NOT CORRECT.
YOU ARE CLOSER.
THE ANSWER IS 1909.
MICHAEL BRYANT WAS THE
CLOSEST.
THE FIRE SWEEPING THROUGH
QUEEN'S PARK.
JUST SHORTLY.

Ruth says WHICH IS WHY REBUILT WING
HAS MARBLE A AS OPPOSED TO
THE WOOD ON THE OTHER WING.

Steve says AND WHO SAYS THIS
EDUCATIONAL NETWORK.

Mac says AND ALSO RUBBER WALLS IN
SECOND FLOOR.

Steve says THERE MAY BE OTHER
EXPLANATION FOR THAT.
LET US OUR FINAL QUESTION ON
LEGISLATURE TALK ABOUT THE
GHOST.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE
GHOST THAT ARE SAID TO HAUNT
QUEEN'S PARK.
CAN YOU TELL US:

The question reads "How many ghosts are said to haunt Queen’s Park?"

Mac says 103 IN.

Steve says INCORRECT.
THAT IS NUMBER MPPs NOT
GHOST.
GO AHEAD RUTH.

Ruth says THREE IF YOU DON'T COUNT
JOHN WHO WAS THERE RECENTLY.

Steve says THAT'S NOT TRUE PUT VERY
FUNNY I THINK THERE IS MARK
THERE.

Richard says I WAS GOING TO SAY FIVE.

Steve says FIVE IS PRETTY CLOSE.

Michael says AND SEVEN.

Richard says SEVEN IS IS ALSO PRETTY
CLOSE.
THE ANSWER IS SIX.

Richard says YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE MIKE
MARIS ROLLING IN HIS
POLITICAL GRAVE WHILE HE
WATCHES ERNIE EVES.

Steve says MAYBE HALF PINT THERE FOR
WIT.
3 MEN INCLUDING ONE AND
THREE WOMEN INCLUDING ONE
HANGING FROM HOOK IN THE
BASEMENT IT SAYS.
OKAY.
NEXT SECTION, POLITICAL
SYMBOLISM THAT I CAN A LOOK
AT THE MONITOR HERE IN THE
STUDIO AND YOU WILL NOTE
THAT IS THE FLAG OF
ONTARIO AND QUESTION IS:
WHEN DID FIRST COME ON THE
SCENE IN THIS PROVINCE?
WHEN DID THIS BECOME
OFFICIAL FLAG OF THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.

Ruth says 1867.

Steve says INCORRECT.
MAC.

Mac says 1919.

Steve says THAT'S INCORRECT.
LET ME GIVE YOU A HINT YOU
ARE ALL WAY OFF.

Richard says 1964.

Steve says IS... I AM GOING TO GIVE IT
YOU MAY 21, 65.
POST THE FLAG DEBATE.
THAT'S RIGHT.
THE HUGE FLAG FLAPPING
OTTAWA WE GOT NEW CANADIAN
FLAG THE PREMIER OF THE DAY
DECIDED TO TAKE THE OLD FLAG
TAKE THE CANADIAN CREST OFF
BUT ONTARIO EMBLEM ON AND
THAT'S WAS INTO THE FLAG.
THAT'S WHEN THE RED ENSIGN STOPPED BEING
THE FLAG OF CANADA.
AND THEREFORE WE
BROUGHT IT INTO ONTARIO.
1965.
THAT'S THE YEAR.

Ruth says WELL DONE.

Steve says THERE YOU GO.
POINT FOR MAHONEY.

Richard says ARE WE TIED NOW?

Ruth says YOU ARE DOING VERY GOOD.

Steve says LET'S BRING UP THE NEXT
PICTURE.
WILL YOU RECOGNIZE THIS MAN
WHO WE ARE ABOUT TO SHOW:

A question reads "Why does the Speaker of the House wear black?"

Richard says BECAUSE HE HAD TO COLORS
DONE AND PINK DOES NOT WORK.

Steve says I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHY.

Ruth says BECAUSE IT IS COLOR
JUDGES WEAR?

Steve says NOT QUITE.
THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
WE MAY WANT TO GIVE HALF A
POINT TO RUTH HERE.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANOTHER
GUESS?
WHY DOES SPEAKER WEAR
BLACK?
ANYBODY?
LET'S GIVE HALF A POINT TO
RUTH AND SAY THE ANSWER IS
HE MAY VERY WELL LOOK GOOD
IN IT.
THERE HE IS LOOKING GOOD.
THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE BLACK
DENOTES NEUTRALITY.
ALL OF THE PARTIES HAVE
DIFFERENT COLORS.
AND BLACK IS NOT USED BY ANY
OF THE PARTIES AND THEREFORE
IT SHOWS NEUTRALITY.

The caption changes to "Michael Bryant. MPP. Liberal, Saint Paul’s."

Michael says POLITICAL DEATH TO MORE
OFTEN THAN NOT.
THIS SPEAKER BEING
EXCEPTION.

Steve says BEING TERRIFIC SPEAKER.

Michael says THAT'S TRUE.

Steve says NICE COME BACK.

Michael says ON DAY ONE.

Steve says HALF A MARK FOR COMING
BACK.
ALL OF THE ANSWER IN IN NEXT
SECTION ARE ABOUT FAMOUS
TWO-SOMES.
THERE ARE TWO THINGS
HAPPENING IN EACH ONE.
HERE NEXT QUESTION:

The question reads "The government of the day has been defeated on the floor of the legislature twice. Name them."

Steve says A GOVERNMENT IN ONTARIO
HAS BEEN DEFEATED BY A VOTE
ON THE FLOOR... NO DIFFERENT
GOVERNMENT IN TWICE IN
HISTY.

Richard says 1985.

Steve says THAT'S CORRECT.
DESCRIBE THE CIRCUMSTANCE?

Richard says THAT WAS WHEN THE
LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATICS
COMBINED TO DEFEAT THE THEN
FRANK MILLER GOVERNMENT.
POST THE 1985 ELECTION.

The caption changes to "Richard Mahoney. Ontario Liberal Advisor."

Steve says CORRECT.
THERE IS ONE POINT FOR
RICHARD ANYBODY ELSE FOR THE
OTHER OCCASION?
ONLY TWICE.

Ruth says DAVIS MINORITY.

Steve says NO.

Michael says GEORGE DREW.

Steve says HOW ABOUT THAT MICHAEL
BRYANT GETS A POINT THERE.
TERRIFIC.
1945.
GEORGE GREW ORCHESTRATED A
LOSS ON FLOOR AND WENT TO
POLLS AND OF COURSE
CONTINUED TORY DYNASTY
WHICH LASTED 42 YEARS.
GOOD FOR BOTH OF YOU.

Richard says THAT'S GOOD HINT FOR
FUTURE GOVERNMENT.
ENGINE NEITHER THE THING AND
THEN --.

Steve says ONLY IF YOU THINK YOU ARE
GOING TO WIN IS IS IT GOOD
STRATEGY.
ONCE AGAIN TWO SOME HERE.
IN ENTIRE HIS HISTORY OF THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO BELIEVE
OR NOT TWO COMMUNIST HAVE
BEEN ELECTED. NAMED THEM.

Mac says RUTH GRIER.

Steve says THAT'S IS NOT ONE.

Mac says WE COULD NOT GET THIS
LAST YEAR.

Ruth says JOE SALSBERG.

Steve says JOE SALSBERG DURING IS CORRECT.

Ruth says AND AL... I RAN AGAINST
HIM AND HE CERTAINLY HAD NO
LIBERAL OR SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC
LET ALONE COMMUNIST.

Steve says AND WHOM I THINK LARRY
GOESMAN'S DEFEATED
EVENTUALLY.
I THINK SO.

Richard says POINT FOR STEVE IN

Steve says NO MARKS FOR ME AND THE
OTHER ONE IS I WILL GIVE YOU
THREE SECONDS.

Ruth says AL SOMEBODY.

Steve says THIS GUY WENT ON TO BECOME
ADVISORS TO LESLEY FROST HE
WAS SO RESPECTED.
HE BECAME SPEECH WRITER.
MCCLEOD.
ALSO DOWNTOWN TORONTO
RIDING.
ONE MORE TWO-SOME HERE FOR
YOU.
THERE HAVE BEEN TWO
TREASURERS FROM EXETER, ONTARIO.
WHO ARE THEY?

Ruth says DARCY MCHUGH.

Steve says HE IS FROM CHATHAM.

Richard says JANET ECKERT.

Steve says JANET ECKERT IS CORRECT.
AND WHO IS CURRENT
MINISTER OF FINANCE FOR
ERNIE EVES AND SOMEBODY ELSE
CAME FROM THERE.

Michael says THE MEMBER FROM EXETRE.

Steve says THAT'S CORRECT I AM
LOOKING FOR SOMETHING MORE
SPECIFIC.

Michael says MINISTER OF FINANCE.

Steve says A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC THAN
THAT.
ANYBODY?
THIS WAS MINISTER OF FINANCE
TO WILLIAM DAVIS AND BEFORE
HIM, JOHN ROBERT ST.

Ruth says JOHN WHITE.

Steve says NO.
HE IS FROM LONDON.

Ruth says CHARLES MCTHOUGHTTON.

Steve says THAT'S CORRECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN RUTH
GIVEN THAT I GAVE HEART
CHARTS.

Ruth says LOTS AND... NOT THAT
MANY ONLY.

Steve says SUSANNA TELLS ME SHE WILL
GIVE YOU HALF A POINT.
YOU CALLED IT.
IN THE GREEN ROOM.
WE TRIED I THINK THIS
LAST YEAR AS WELL SOME
BILLS BECOME SO FAMOUS JUST
BY VIRTUE OF THEIR NUMBER
THEY GET TALKED ABOUT AT LOT
IN QUEBEC ABOUT 0101
LANGUAGE BILL.
YOU DID REALLY BADLY ON THIS
LAST YEAR WE DECIDED FIND
SOME NEW BILLS AND THESE ARE
NEW BILLS WITH DIFFERENT
NUMBERS.
IN HOPES THAT WILL YOU KNOW
WHAT THEY ARE.
FOR EXAMPLE I DON'T KNOW IF
WE ARE PUTTING THESE UP.
HERE WE GO.

The question reads "Many pieces of legislation are so famous they are known even by their number. What are these?"

Steve says SO HERE ARE THE LEGISLATION
SO FAMOUS THAT HE ARE KNOWN
BY THEIR NUMBERS LET'S GO
THROUGH THESE.
BILL 99.
GO BACK TO 1960s AND THINK
OF BILL 99.

Michael says 1960S.

Steve says YOU CONSTITUTIONAL GUY
MIGHT REMEMBER THERE.

Steve says BILL 99.
YES.
RICHARD.
FOLLOW BILL 99.
THIS WAS THE POLICE ACT.
YOU REMEMBER THIS?
THIS WAS IN RESPONSE.

Ruth says FRED CAST.

Steve says HE WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL
THAT PERCEPTION ORGANIZED
CRIME WAS GAINING STRENGTH.
HE TOOK SITUATION OUR CIVIL
LIBERTIES.
WHICH FRED CAST SAID WAS
TERRIBLE LAW IN DEMOCRATIC
SOCIETY AND HE HAD TO
TAKE IT BACK.
THAT WAS BILL 99.

Michael says FROM EXETRE.

Steve says NO.

THIS ONE IS A LITTLE MORE
THINK BACK TO 1990S.
BILL 167.
BILL 167.
THAT IS TRUE SHE SHOULD
THAT WAS HER GOVERNMENT.
WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THAT
RUTH.
THIS WAS THE ATTEMPT BY
GOVERNMENT TO EXTEND
BENEFITS FOR SAME SEX
COUPLES BILL FAILED.
I THINK BY NINE OR TEN
VOTES.

Ruth says I THINK THE LIBERALS
FLIPPED AND FLOPPED SEVERAL
TIMES ON THAT.

Richard says OH, OF MY GOODNESS.

Richard says THE PREMIER AT THE TIME
INTRODUCED DIVIDE LIBERALS
RATHER THAN EXTENT BENEFITS.

Steve says IF HE WERE SITTING
HERE HE WOULD DENY THAT
BUT I AM NOT SURE ALL OF HIS
STAFFERS WOULD DENY IT.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
HERE’S ANOTHER ONE AND THIS
ONE FOLKS IS FROM THE LAST
COUPLE OF YEARS.
YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THIS
ONE.
BILL 80.
BILL 80.

Ruth says EDUCATION.

Steve says RING IN BILL 80.
RICHARD

Richard says EDUCATION ACT.

Steve says NO. BILL 80.
ANYBODY REMEMBER?
THIS WAS HUGE CONTROVERSY.
GOVERNMENT RESPONDING BILL
80.

Michael says OMNI BUS BILL.

Steve says NOT QUITE.
Michael says MUNICIPAL ACT.

Steve says KEEP GOING.
YES.

Ruth says TORONTO AMALGAMATION.

Steve says NO.
NO.
IN WAS THIS YEAR FOLKS.

Richard says I GOT IT.
IT IS THE HYDRO RATES.
I FORGET WHAT IT IS CALLED.

Steve says NO.
THAT'S NOT IT EITHER.
ALTHOUGH YOU ARE ON THE
RIGHT TOPIC.

Michael says THE... HYDRO ONE... IT IS
THE... I VOTED YEAH.
OKAY.
I STOOD UP AND VOTED IN.

Steve says HERE IT... YOU ARE ENERGY
CRITIC YOU GOT TO KNOW THIS.
THIS WAS WHEN REMEMBER EAVES
COME IN TAKE OVER FOR HARRIS
AND FIRES THE WHOLE HYDRO
ONE BOARD AND NOW THE FORMER
HEAD OF HYDRO... THE BILL
THAT SUNK THE YACHT.

Richard says THE BILL THAT SUNK THE
YACHT.

Steve says AND SHE IS SUING OVER IT
RIGHT NOW.
HALFWAY THROUGH.
YOU ARE ALL DOING SPLENDIDLY.
WE ARE GOING TO DO PLAYERS
AND PREMIERS.
PLAYERS AND PREMIERS.
THEY ARE BIG SHOTS.
HERE WE GO.
ARE YOU READY?

The question reads "Who was the first Lieutenant Governor of Upper Canada?"

Ruth says SIMCOE.

Steve says SIMCOE IS CORRECT.
LET'S SEE PICTURE.
JOHN GRAVES SIMCOE.

Richard says NICE PICTURE.

Steve says THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE.

Ruth says HIS WIFE AS FIRST
ENVIRONMENTALIST.

Steve says AS LONG AS WE ARE TOPIC
OF THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR
SIMCOE, HERE IS BONUS
QUESTION.
WHICH WELL-KNOWN
NO.
WHICH WELL-KNOWN MUCH
TRAVELED ONTARIO STREET DID
HE ORDER TO BE BUILT?

Mac says YOUNG.

Steve says YOUNG STREET IS CORRECT.

Mac says GOT A POINT.
I AM AT -8 I HAVE BEEN
KEEPING TRACK.

Steve says LONGEST STREET IN THE
WORLD HERE IS QUESTION THAT
SEEMS SO OBVIOUS BUT
EVERYBODY ALWAYS MESSES UP.
WHO WAS THE FIRST PREMIER
OF ONTARIO?

Michael says JOHN S MCDONALD.

Steve says AND A POINT FOR THE
MIDDLE NAME.

Richard says SEINFELD.

Richard says I WAS GOING TOO SAY THAT.
LARRY DAVID.

Steve says THERE IS IT JOHN SANDFIELD
MCDONALD.
HE WAS FIRST PRIME MINISTER
OF ONTARIO.
OKAY.
LET'S ALSO HARKEN BACK TO
YOUR NEVER REACHES OF
ONTARIO HISTORY NOW.
WHO WAS ONTARIO'S LONGEST SERVING
PREMIER?
MAC PENNY?

Mac says MOET.

Steve says YOU DELAYED BUT YOU RANGE
IN FIRST.

Mac says I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER
THE NUMBER FLOORS.
I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER THE
NUMBER OF FLOORS IN THE
BLOCK?

Ruth says 52.

Mac says AND THERE TO MORE FLOORS
THAN IN ANY OF THE OTHERS
AND EVERYBODY FLOOR
REPRESENTS A YEAR THAT THEY
SERVED.

Ruth says ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Mac says I AM SERIOUS.

Steve says THIS IS NOT NFL WE ARE
NOT GOING TO GO AND LOOK AT
THE TAPE.
UPON FURTHER REVIEW LET'S
GIVE USE A POINT.
DO ANYBODY KNOW HOW LONG HE
WAS PRIME MINISTER.

Mac says 22 YEARS.

Steve says THAT'S CLOSE.

Mac says 25.

Steve says I WILL GIVE MAC A POINT.
IT IS 24 YEARS.
AND HE HAS LONGEST.

Michael says AND HE SERVED AS... HE
SERVED FIRST IN THE FEDERAL
CAN NET AND THEN AS
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR

Steve says THAT IS
ALSO CORRECT.
I SAME MICHAEL BRYANT GETS
EXTRA POINT FOR THAT.
LET'S GIVE MICHAEL BRYANT A
POINT FOR THAT.
VALUE-ADDED INFORMATION.
FROM MPP FOR TVO ANOTHER
EXTRA POINT IS HERE SECOND
LONGEST SERVING PREMIER IN
ONTARIO HISTORY.

Mac says FERGUSON?

Steve says NO.
RING IN NOT FROST.
NOT HURST.

Michael says IT IS HELP PRINCIPAL.

Steve says DAVIS THAT'S CORRECT.

Richard says HOW MAYBE KNOW POINTS?

Steve says ONE BONUS POINT FOR
RICHARD.

Ruth says TELL US MORE ABOUT DAVIS.

Steve says A TWO POINT FOR HIM.
BILL DAVIS AND 1971-58.
14 YEARS HE CLOCKS IN AT
NUMBER 2.
OKAY.
HERE IS A QUESTION IF YOU
THINK BACK ON LONG HISTORY
OF ONTARIO YOU WOULD SHOCKED
LEARN THAT THREE SITTING
PREMIERS HAVE ACTUALLY LOST
THEIR SEATS.
WHO ARE THEY?

Richard says DAVID ROBERTSON PETERSON.
DAVID PETERSON.

Steve says IT IS ROBERT.
IN 190.
WHO ELSE?
LOST LONDON CENTRE WHO LOST
A SEAT?
SITTING PREMIER TO LOSS A
SEAT?
GOT TO GO BACK.
YOU GOT TO GO BACK.
DAVID PETERSON IN LONDON
CENTRE TO NDP MARION BOWED
THAT WAS ONE EXAMPLE ANYBODY
ELSE COMING UP WITH THE
OTHER TWO.

Mac says WAS NOT MOWETT.

Steve says NO.
IT WAS NOT MITCH.
IT WAS NOT FRANK MILLER.
HE KEPT HIS SEAT.

Mac says HOW MANY HAVE WE HAD?

Steve says YOU HAVE ONLY HAD 23.

Mac says THE THREE WE HAVE NOT NAMED.
THREE WE NOT NAMED.

Steve says I AM THROWING OVER THE
CARDS HERE.
GEORGE DREW IN 1948.

Mac says I SAID DREW.

Michael says I SAID DREW BEFORE YOU DID.

Steve says YOU SAID DREW AS AN ANSWER TO A PREVIOUS
QUESTIONS.

Michael says BUT... I KNOW BUT I DIDN'T
THINK I COULD GIVE THE SAME
ANSWER TWICE THERE IS ANSWER
ABOUT THAT.

Steve says THAT ONE BILL TEMPLE.
DO I GET BONUS FOR THAT.
WE WILL GIVE RUTH A BONUS
POINT.

Mac says SURE.
YOU CALLED IT.

Steve says THAT'S TRUE.
HE LOST TO THE CCF IN THAT
RACE.

Richard says WHERE DID RUTH LIVE THEN?

Steve says FOR THIRD ONE WAS THE
WILLIAM HURST.

Mac says I SAID THAT.
I SAID HURST.

Steve says WHAT RIDING DID HE REPRESENT?

Ruth says IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY
DIFFERENCE.

Mac says HURST.
I SAID IT.

Steve says WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
HERDS RENTAL CARS.
SAULT SAINT MARIE 1919.
THOSE ARE THREE.

Mac says I SHOULD GET A POINT.

Steve says THIS QUESTION YOU ARE
GOING... THANK YOU FOR
GETTING US BACK ON TRACK
HERE.
WILL YOU IT IS NOT SO
OBVIOUS.
WHICH PREMIER OF ONTARIO
BROUGHT FULL PUBLIC FUNDING
OF CATHOLIC SCHOOLS.
I HEARD THIS FIRST
ACTUALLY.

Mac says DAVID PETERSON.

Ruth says IT IS WRONG.

Steve says THE ANSWER IS DAVID
PETERSON THAT'S CORRECT.

Mac says THANK YOU.

Steve says WHO WANTS TO TELL THE STORY?

Ruth says IT WAS ANNOUNCED BY DAVIS
BUT LEGISLATION HAD TO BE
PASSED BY THE ACCORD BETWEEN
BOB RAY AND DAVID PETERSON.

Steve says WHOSE WAS THE GOVERNOR

Ruth says LIBERAL.

Steve says IT WAS DAVID PETERSON.

Mac says I GET A BONUS FOR THAT.

Michael says BILL 14.

Richard says BILL 30.

Mac says BILL 88.

Steve says BILL 14.

Ruth says I GET BONUS POINT.

Richard says NO.

Mac says NO.

Richard says NO BONUS POINTS.

Steve says I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE
A BONUS POINT AWAY FROM RUTH BECAUSE
SHE TRIED TO CLAIM CREDIT
FOR SOMETHING THAT THE NDP DID NOT DO.
NOW THIS ONE WE LIKE TO
GET THE FEDERAL AGE IN HERE
EVERY NOW AND THEN.
AND THIS IS THE QUESTION
WHERE THAT HAPPENS.
THERE HAVE BEEN... THERE
HAVE BEEN 20 PRIME
MINISTER OF CANADA HOW...
SEVEN REPRESENTED ON ONTARIO
RIDINGS.
RICHARD?
YOU KNOW NAME THEM ALL
THESE ARE FEDERAL RAY PRIME
MINISTER WHO REPRESENTED
RIDINGS IN ONTARIO.

Richard says WHILE THEY WERE PRIME
MINISTER?

Steve says YES.
WHILE THEY WERE PRIME
MINISTER.

Richard says DO I GET TO ANSWER?

Steve says GO AHEAD.

Richard says JOHNNIE MCDONALD.
THAT'S MY FINAL ANSWER.
STEVE.

Steve says THERE ARE SIX MORE.

Richard says THERE ARE SIX MORE.

Steve says PRIME MINISTER WHO
REPRESENTED RIDINGS IN ONTARIO.

Richard says LESTER PEARSON.

Steve says DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH
RIDING?

Ruth says ALGOMA EAST.

Steve says AND ANOTHER POINT FOR
RUTH FOR THAT.
YOU GOT PEARSON AND SHE
GOT THE RIDING.

Richard says OKAY.

Steve says IT IS OKAY WE ARE GIVING OUT
LOTS OF POINTS.

Richard says MCKENZIE KING.

Steve says AND WATER LOU NORTH.
YOU DON'T GET A POINT FOR
THAT.
YORK IF NORTH AND GLENN
GARY.
FIVE DIFFERENT RIDINGS THREE
DIFFERENT PROVINCES FOR
KING.
HE GOT AROUND.
OKAY:

Richard says HE WAS PRIME MINISTER BUT HE
DIDN'T REPRESENT ONTARIO.
BUT NOT WHILE HE WAS PRIME
MINISTER.

Steve says EXCELLENT.
SHOULD WE GIVE HIM A POINT
FOR THAT?

Mac says ABSOLUTELY.

Richard says HE REPRESENTED OTTAWA.

Steve says DID NOT WIN, THOUGH.
HE RAN IN YORK EAST BUT
LOST.

Ruth says DEFEATED BY CCFER.

Steve says YES.
ALEXANDER MCKENZIE IS CORRECT.
WHO REPRESENTED.
P. TWO TO GO.
TWO GO.

Ruth says ALMOST PRIME MINISTER
PAUL MARTIN.

Steve says NO.
AND HE INS QUEBEC ANYWAYS.

Ruth says SENIOR.

Steve says SENIOR FORGIVE ME.
THERE IS TWO MORE.
SHOULD I... ROBERT BOARDEN.
AND I SAID THAT BUT I
MUMBLED. AND MCKENZIE BULL.
WHO WAS NORTH... THERE IS
THAT'S ANOTHER STORY SO
PRETTY GOOD.
THERE YOU GO.

Ruth says YOU HAVE HAD BUSY WEEK
HAVEN'T YOU?

Steve says WHY I DID SAY SEVEN?
IT IS REALLY SIX.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
THIS CATEGORY IS CALLED
THERE IS LIFE BEFORE
POLITICS.
AS WE KNOW MANY PROVINCIAL
POLITICIANS GET THEIR START
AT DIFFERENT SAY JUNIOR
LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT FOR
EXAMPLE OUR OWN BE LOVED
RUTH GRIER WHO STARTED A
CITY AND HALF THEN WENT ON
TO BECOME PROVINCIAL CABINET
MINISTER.

Mac says AND THAT WITHOUT LIVING
IN ONTARIO AT THE TIME.

Steve says TELL US WHAT PROVINCIAL
POLITICIANS DID BEFORE THEY
BECAME MEMBERS OF THE
ONTARIO LEGISLATURE.

A caption reads "Tory MPP and Cabinet Minister Dianne Cunningham. Liberal MPP John Gerretson. NDP MPP Marilyn Churley."

Steve says YOU CAME IN FIRST.

Richard says SCHOOL TRUSTEE DIANE
CUNNINGHAM.

Steve says SHARE OF THE WOMEN'S.
JOHN WAS MAYOR OF
KINGSTON.

Ruth says MARILYN CHURLEY WAS A CITY
COUNSELOR.

Steve says FOR WHAT CITY?

Ruth says TORONTO.

Steve says THERE WE GO.

Ruth says THAT'S ONLY THREE.

Steve says THAT'S I SAID.
YOU GOT ONE OF THEM RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT.
WE ARE GOING TO DO... HOW
MUCH I DOING ON TIME?
WE GOT TO GO LIKE YOU KNOW
WHAT HERE.
WHO AM I QUESTION.

Richard says STEVE PAIKIN.

Steve says YOU RANGE FIRST.
A POINT FOR MAHONEY VERY
WITTY.
WE LOVE WIT HERE.

A caption reads "My father and uncle established the first European settlements in Kagawong on Manitoulin Island. I grew up to become Premier of Ontario in the early 1930’s. Who am I?"

Ruth says HURST.
WHITNEY?

Steve says NO.

Richard says MITCH.

Steve says NOT MITCH.
WE ARE ON THE LEAVE --.

Richard says IN EARLY 1930s.

Michael says GEORGE DREW.

Steve says NOT GEORGE DREW.
STILL NOT GEORGE DREW.
STILL WRONG LEVEL OF
GOVERNMENT.
HE WAS NOT PREMIER FOR VERY
LONG TIME BUT HE SAID HONEST
MAN WHO EMPLOYED STRAIGHT IF
YOU ARE ROW.

Richard says NIXON.

Ruth says BOLA.

Steve says NOT BOLA.
HE WAS NEVER PRIME MINISTER

Michael says FERGUSON.

Steve says NOT FERGUSON.

Michael says OF COURSE FERGUSON.
FERGUSON.

Steve says NOT FERGUSON.
IT WAS GEORGE HENRY.
GEORGE HENRY.

Michael says I KNEW IT WAS TIME WITH
FIRST NAMES.

Steve says AND THERE HENRY STREET
THERE NAMED AFTER HIM.
WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE AND
HALF LEFT HERE.
SO QUICKLY THIS ONE CALLED
SWEET TOOTH MINISTERS.
THIS IS OUR
NEXT CATEGORY

The question reads "Which minister indulged their sweet tooths by expensing the taxpayers for the following treats? 23.65 dollars worth of Smarties? 2.65 US dollars for a donut and coffee?"

Michael says DAN NEWMAN.

Ruth says DAN NEWMAN.

Steve says THAT'S NOT THE OTHER ONE.

Richard says WHAT WERE THE SMARTIES USED FOR?

Ruth says TO KEEP THE MINISTER
QUIET.

Steve says AND THE OTHER ONE 2.56
U.S. DOLLARS FOR A DONUT AND COFFEE.
WHICH MINISTER EXPENSED
THAT?

Mac says I DON'T KNOW BUT IT WAS
IN VEGAS.

Steve says A POINT FOR MAC.
IT WAS NOT CAM JACKSON.
EASTERN HE EAVES IT WAS NOT
BRAD CLARKE.

Michael says IN VEGAS. STOCKWELL.

Steve says NO.

Mac says TIM HUDAK.

Steve says TIM IS CORRECT.
WE HAVE A POINT LEFT I AM
GOING TO GET YOU OFFICIAL
TALLIES IN ANY EAR PASS SUE
WILL GIVE THEM TO INTO
INVERSION ORDER.
LET ME QUESTIONS WHO CAME
LAST.
LET ME TAKE WILD.

Mac says IT IS GOING TO BE NECK AND
NECK.

Michael says I GOT BONUS POINTS FOR
STEVE PAIKIN PLUG.

Steve says WE ARE IN HIS RIDING AND
MENTIONED MY BOOK.

Mac says THAT'S ONLY REASON.

Steve says THAT'S HOME COURT
ADVANTAGE.

Ruth says HE SHOULD BE HANDICAPPED
FOR THAT.

The caption changes to "Mac Penney. Ontario PC Advisor."

Steve says HE IS LIBERAL.
HERE WE GO.
HERE ARE YOUR TALLIES FROM
WORST FORCE.
HERE THEY COME.
MICHAEL BRYANT HOW MANY?
SIX.
HE GOT SIX.

Michael says SIX WHAT ABOUT GEORGE
DREW ANSWER?

Steve says YOU GAVE SIX TIMES ALWAYS
ON THE WRONG QUESTION.
MAC GOT SEVEN.

Mac says THANK YOU.

Steve says IT IS GETTING TIED NOW.

Ruth says THIS IS DIFFICULT.

Michael says I SHOULD REFERRED MY
QUESTION TO MAC.

Steve says THE NEXT PERSON GOT
EIGHT.
YES.
AND THE WINNER WITH 12 POINTS
FOR THE SECOND CONSECUTIVE
SEASON.
RUTH GRIER HAS DONE IT AGAIN
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
SHE HAS DONE IT AGAIN.

Richard says RECOUNT!

Steve says I HAVE NO --.
CAN I JUST TAKE A BRIEF
CAUCUS OF THE FLOOR HERE ARE
WE SUBJECTING WE NEED NEW OR
DISPUTING THE RESULT OF THIS
THING?

Michael says ABSOLUTELY.

Richard says ALL OF THE ABOVE?

Michael says I DON'T WANT TO FINISH
BEHIND MAC.
THAT'S ALL I CARE.

Richard says IT SEEMS NOT RIGHT TO ME.

Steve says WHAT YEAR WERE YOU –

Ruth says I
GIVE MICHAEL TWO POINTS SO
WOULD CAN FINNISH UP.
AND THEN I TIE WITH
RICHARD IN.

Michael says WHO FIRST MEMBER FOR ST.
PAUL'S.
WHO WAS ONLY NON TO DEFEAT
CABINET MINISTER IN 99.
MICHAEL BRYANT.

Ruth says WHICH RIDING CAN
CURRENT CHAIR OF TVO ONES
REPRESENT?

Mac says CUT.

Steve says IN INTERESTING OF PHIL
FULL DISCLOSURE IT WAS
MR. BRYANT TO DE –

Michael says JUNE 3RD 1999.

Steve says THERE YOU GO.
SO BRYANT GETS THREE EXTRA
POINTS FOR KNOWING THE HE WAS
THE CONNECT ANSWER TO THREE
QUESTIONS HE ASKED.

Richard says FOR BEATING THE PRESENT TV HOST.

Steve says AND NEVER GETS INVITED BACK
BECAUSE --.

Mac says I WANTED THAT.

Steve says LISTEN YOU ARE ALL TERRIFIC
SPORTS FOR COMING AND SUBJECTING
YOURSELF TO THIS IGNOMINY AS YOU DO
YOU DO EVERY YEAR.

Michael says AND I AM NEW.

Richard says I WANTED ACCEPTED RUTH
DID WIN THIS YEAR AS LONG AS
LAST YEAR RECORD’S CORRECTED.
I UNCOMFORTABLE WITH...
NOT THAT I’M COMPETITIVE IN ANY WAY.

Steve says NO.
JUST TELL US IN OUR LAST
MINUTE HAD A ARE YOU DOING
FOR WILL HOLIDAY?

Michael says DALTON MCGUINTY HAS A PLAN.
SORRY.
AND SPENDING TIME WITH
FAMILY OUT IN VICTORIA.
FOR CHRISTMAS.
MOM, DAD NIECE NEPHEW WILL
SEE OUR NEW FOUR MONTH OLD
FOR THE FIRST TIME.

Steve says GOOD FOR YOU.
MAC WHERE ARE YOU
HEADING?

Mac says I FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT
MY CHRISTMAS.
STAYING IN TOWN.

Richard says STAYING IN OTTAWA NO ONE
COMING TO SEE US THIS YEAR
AND THEN GOING SKIING FOR
FOUR OR FIVE DAYS.

The caption changes to "Ruth Grier. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."

Ruth says FEEDING 19 PEOPLE
CHRISTMAS EVE AND HAVING
WHOLE FAMILY AND MY
GRANDCHILDREN THEN HEADING
FOR AND WILSON'S RIDING FOR
COUPLE WEEKS.

Richard says JIM WILSON WILL BE
HEARING FROM ME.

Steve says SHOW CAN’T GO BY WHERE SHE DOESN’T
TAKE SOME SHORT AT JIM
WILSON.
THAT'S RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR HEART-FELT BEST WISHES
FOR VERY SAFE AND HAPPY
HOLIDAY SEASON.

Ruth says WHAT WERE YOU DOING?

Steve says I AM NOT DOING A THING I
AM STICK AROUND TOWN.
ENJOY IT.
I AM GOING TO CRASH AT MAHONEY’S IN OTTAWA.
HO, HO.

Richard says AND TO ALL A GOOD NIT.

Steve says THAT'S OUR PROGRAM FOR
THIS WEEK.
SUCH AS IT IS.
WE HAVE NOT SCARED YOU OFF
PLEASE JOIN US FOR ANOTHER
EDITION OF FOURTH READING I
AM STEVE PAIKIN.
UNTIL THEN HAPPY HOLIDAYS
EVERYBODY.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Erica Balch.

Director, Michael Smith.

A production of TVOntario. Copyright 2002, The Ontario Educational
Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Watch: Fourth Reading - Show 294