Transcript: Imprint season 14 episode 28 | Apr 16, 2003

Tina Srebotnjak stands in a studio with pieces of art in red and orange hanging in the background.
She’s in her late thirties, with short chestnut hair and bangs. She’s wearing a long gray blazer.

She says HELLO, I'M TINA
SREBOTNJAK.
TONIGHT ON THE SEASON FINALE OF
"IMPRINT," A NEW NOVEL BY
MARGARET ATWOOD.

The cover of a book appears. It features a dried land with a shadow of a person on it.
The title of the book reads "Oryx and Crake, by Margaret Atwood" in red letters.

TINA says "ORYX AND CRAKE," THE
WRITER'S CHILLING VISION OF THE
FUTURE.
THIS BOOK CAME TO YOU I THINK
ALMOST IN A VISION, DID IT IN
AUSTRALIA?

Margaret is in her fifties; she has shoulder length curly brown hair and wears a lavender shirt.

MARGARET ATWOOD says OH, I KNOW
I'M A COMPLETE WACKO, BUT I
JUST --

They both laugh.

MARGARET ATWOOD says I WOULD
LIKE TO YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO
HAVE THESE ROMANTIC ERA
VISIONS.

Theme music plays as the opening sequence rolls.
Fast clips show books and maps in hues of orange and red.

A cover of a book appears on screen. It features a knight dressed in armour and helmet carrying two swords on his back and horse riding. His horse is black. A woman rides on a white horse next to him.

TINA says ESCAPE TO THE FANTASY
WORLD OF ROBERT JORDAN, WHERE
GOOD ALWAYS TRIUMPHS OVER EVIL.

ROBERT JORDAN says THE ONE THING
THAT FANTASY HAS, IS THAT YOU
KNOW EVIL IS NOT GOING TO WIN
THE FINAL VICTORY.
IT MAY WIN A LOT OF VICTORIES
ALONG THE WAY, AND PEOPLE YOU
LIKE MAY DIE.
BUT THERE IS THAT ONE CERTAINTY
THAT IN THE END, EVIL WILL BE
DEFEATED.

Robert is in his fifties; he has wavy blond hair and a full beard. He wears glasses and a suit and tie.

TINA says AND USED BOOKS FIND
THEIR NEXT READER THROUGH
BOOKCROSSING.COM, A CATCH AND
RELEASE PROGRAM FOR BOOK
LOVERS.

A clip shows a woman wearing a long overcoat. She leaves a book with a yellow post it on a windowsill; she then walks in a snowy park and leaves another book on a bench. She walks away.


At a reader’s meeting, LISA CHARLEBOIS says THE BOOK I
JUST FINISHED WAS JOHN
KRAKUER'S "INTO THIN AIR," AND
UM, I ACTUALLY RELEASED IT
EARLIER TODAY AT THE MOUNTAIN
EQUIPMENT CO-OP.
SO, GO GET AND IT.

They all laugh.

Opening credits appear. Fast clips show a book appears under water, a magnifying glass over a page, butterflies fluttering over some pages; two hands opening a small book and the title of the show appearing overwritten on the screen.

In the studio, TINA says WE BEGIN TONIGHT WITH
AN AUTHOR WHOSE BEEN CALLED THE
HEIR APPARENT TO JRR TOLKIEN.
HE'S FANTASY WRITER, ROBERT
JORDAN.
A GUY WHOSE BOOKS DON'T JUST
CLIMB THE NEW YORK TIMES
BESTSELLER LIST, THEY START OUT
AT NUMBER ONE AND THEY STAY
THERE FOR WEEKS.
JORDAN JUST PUBLISHED
"CROSSROADS OF TWILIGHT," THE
TENTH BOOK IN HIS WHEEL OF TIME
SERIES.

A cover of the book appears. It features horsemen in a forest holding spears and bows and arrows. The title of the book reads "Crossroads of twilight, book ten, the wheel of time, by Robert Jordan."

She continues WHEN HE CAME TO TORONTO THIS
PAST WINTER, ROBERT JORDAN TOOK
HIS FANS INTO A FICTIONAL WORLD
AT WAR WHERE GOOD ALWAYS
TRIUMPHS OVER EVIL.

A clip shows Robert sitting at a table as people queue up to get their books signed by the author.

ROBERT JORDAN says ANOTHER
BLOODY GREAT STACK OF BOOKS TO
SIGN.
I STILL GET EXCITED WHEN I SEE
THE CROWDS COME FOR A SIGNING.
I STILL GET EXCITED WHEN I FIND
OUT I'VE MADE A BESTSELLER
LIST.
I GET UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
FLOOR AND DO A LITTLE DANCE.

A woman in her forties approaches Robert and says MOST ENJOYABLE.

ROBERT JORDAN says THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.

She continues IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE AND I'M
HAPPY TO MEET YOU.

ROBERT JORDAN says I FIND A
CONNECTION BETWEEN ME AND SOME
WANDERING BEGGAR IN THE MIDDLE
AGES WHO SITS DOWN IN THE
VILLAGE GREEN WITH HIS BOWL,
AND IF HE TELLS A GOOD ENOUGH
STORY THE VILLAGERS WILL GIVE
HIM SOMETHING TO EAT.

A caption below him reads "Robert Jordan, Crossroads of Twilight."

He continues YOU KNOW, SO, THAT'S, THAT'S,
I, I FEEL A DIRECT LINE TO THAT
MAN.

He appears at the book launching and says WELL, WE'VE NOW GOTTEN TO THE
TENTH VOLUME OF THE WHEEL OF
TIME TRILOGY, AND THERE ARE
GOING TO BE AT LEAST TWO MORE
BOOKS.

The audience talks in the background.

A woman in her thirties says ROBERT JORDAN IS MY
FAVOURITE AUTHOR, BECAUSE OF
ALL THE, THE INTRICACY IN WHAT
HE WRITES, ALL THE, THE
DETAILS.

Now, a man in his twenties says IT'S JUST A SERIES ABOUT
EVIL VERSUS GOOD.
THE LIGHT VERSUS DARK.
IT'S AN AMAZING SERIES, IT
REALLY DELVES INTO DIFFERENT
ASPECTS OF MAGIC.

A blond boy around 10 says IT'S ABOUT THREE MEN FROM A
LITTLE VILLAGE IN, IN THE
MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, WHO RISE TO
BECOME GENERALS AND KINGS AND
LEADERS.
SO, THAT IN, IN THE, THE LAST
BATTLE, IN TROMAGADEN, THE
LIGHT WILL TRIUMPH, TRIUMPH
OVER THE DARK ONE, WHO WILL
SUPPOSEDLY BE FREE.

A cover of one of his books appears. It reads "Robert Jordan has come to dominate the world Tolkien began to reveal. The New York Times."

ROBERT JORDAN says THE NEW YORK
TIMES HAS SAID THAT I'M THE
AMERICAN HEIR TO TOLKIEN.
HMM, PERHAPS.
UM, BUT IT'S TOLKIEN WITH NO
DRAGONS AND NO ELVES, AND NO
UNICORNS AND NO HOBBITS.
THE NON-HUMAN CREATURES COME
FROM OTHER MYTHS AND LEGENDS.
THE PROTAGONISTS ARE PEOPLE AND
WOMEN TELL HALF THE STORY.
BUT IT IS A WORLD THAT NEVER
WAS.

Another cover shows a noble dressed in a red and gold cloak. It reads "The fires of Heaven" as a title.

Back in the launching, a man in his thirties says READING IT IS LIKE FOLLOWING
A REALLY LONG MOVIE.
IT'S LIKE WATCHING, IT'S LIVE
WATCHING THE LIVES OF ABOUT
EIGHT PEOPLE I'D SAY.
OVER THE SPACE OF I THINK IT'S
MAYBE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS
MAYBE THE WHOLE STORY TAKES
PLACE IN.
SO, IT'S LIKE UM, IT'S JUST
LIKE WATCHING A NEW EPISODE
EVERY TIME YOU PICK UP THE
BOOK, AND THEY'RE GREAT.
IT'S AMAZING.

The man in his twenties appears again and says MAYBE NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT
TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING.
IN THE BEGINNING OF EVERY BOOK
THEY SAY THERE'S NEITHER A
BEGINNING NOR AN ENDING.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE
WHEEL OF TIME IS.
IS THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A NEW
BEGINNING AND THERE'S ALWAYS AN
ENDING.
AND BASICALLY EACH PLOT IS A
NEW BEGINNING.

A brown haired woman in her late twenties says THERE'S AN OVERALL WAR GOING
ON.
A WAR FOR CONTROL OF THE WORLD.
EACH BOOK IS A BATTLE OR SOME
PARTS OF THE BATTLE IN THAT
WAR, SO WE'RE ESCALATING TO ONE
GREAT CLIMAX, AND EACH BOOK IS
A PUZZLE, A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE
TOWARDS THAT CLIMAX.

ROBERT JORDAN says WE ALWAYS
LIVE IN TIMES OF UNCERTAINTY.
BUT MOST OFTEN WE DON'T
RECOGNIZE THAT WE LIVE IN TIMES
OF UNCERTAINTY.
WE BELIEVE WE'RE LIVING IN A
VERY STABLE AND EASY TIME.
RIGHT NOW WE RECOGNIZE THIS
UNCERTAINTY AND WE SEE THAT
THERE ARE FORCES OF EVIL ABOUT,
WHOEVER YOU THINK THE FORCES OF
EVIL ARE.
AND THEY MIGHT WIN.
THE ONE THING THAT FANTASY HAS,
IS THAT YOU KNOW EVIL IS NOT
GOING TO WIN THE FINAL VICTORY.
IT MAY WIN A LOT OF VICTORIES
ALONG THE WAY, AND PEOPLE YOU
LIKE MAY DIE.
BUT THERE IS THAT ONE CERTAINTY
THAT IN THE END, EVIL WILL BE
DEFEATED.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT
ATTRACTS A LOT OF PEOPLE.

The woman with brown hair shows the book and says IT'S NOT JUST STORY TELLING,
IT'S WORLD BUILDING.
THERE'S NATIONS, THERE'S
DIFFERENT FACTIONS WITHIN
NATIONS.
THERE'S KINGS, THERE'S QUEENS,
THERE'S PEOPLE TRYING TO
CONTROL THE ENTIRE WORLD.
AND IT'S AS COMPLEX AS OUR
WORLD IS.

As a clip shows the book signing, ROBERT JORDAN says SOMETIMES
PEOPLE HAVE WRITTEN TO ME IN A
RATHER DISTURBING WAY.
ASKING FOR ANSWERS REALLY, THEY
FOR GUIDANCE, FOR LEADERSHIP,
FOR, TO BE TAUGHT.
I, I WRITE BACK TO THEM AND I
SAY I'M NOT A SAGE, I'M NOT A
GURU.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS.
I TELL STORIES, THAT'S ALL.
I'VE ALWAYS HATED REACHING THE
END OF A BOOK OR A TRILOGY, IT
HAPPENS MOST OFTEN IN FANTASY,
AND ALL OF THE MAJOR CHARACTERS
PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED.
ALL OF THE CITIES PROBLEMS ARE
SOLVED, ALL OF THE WORLD'S
PROBLEMS ARE SOLVED, AND THERE
ISN'T ANY JUICE LEFT IN ANY OF
IT.
WELL, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN
ENDING THAT HAS MINOR PLOTLINES
SIMPLY ABANDONED IN MID COURSE,
SO THAT YOU WILL HAVE IT IN
YOUR HEAD THAT THE STORY IS
OVER, BUT THE WORLD IS STILL
OUT THERE KICKING.
AND I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING
MEANER THAN THAT.
IN THE LAST SCENE OF THE LAST
BOOK I AM GOING TO SET A HOOK,
AND THE UNWARY AMONG YOU WILL
SAY, AHH, HE'S SETTING US UP
FOR THE SEQUELS.
BUT I'M NOT.

The audience laughs and he smiles.

TINA says "CROSSROADS OF
TWILIGHT," BOOK TEN OF ROBERT
JORDAN'S WHEEL OF TIME SERIES
IS PUBLISHED BY TOR FANTASY.

A clip shows an orange book with the word "imprint" written on it. It opens to show Margaret Atwood’s books.

TINA says UP NEXT, MARGARET
ATWOOD DOES IT AGAIN.
A NEW NOVEL FROM CANADA'S TOP
WRITER.

The image is replaced by a clip that shows books being left on windows and park benches.

TINA says AND LATER, USED BOOKS
FIND THEIR NEXT READER THROUGH
BOOKCROSSING.COM.

Back in the studio, TINA says MOVE OVER GEORGE
ORWELL.
MARGARET ATWOOD HAS CREATED A
VISION OF THE FUTURE AS
CHILLING AS ANY OF THE HORRORS
BROUGHT TO YOU BIG BROTHER.
"ORYX AND CRAKE" IS EASILY THE
MOST ANTICIPATED BOOK OF THE
SPRING, AND ALSO POSSIBLY THE
MOST PRESCIENT.
THIS NOVEL TAKES THE STATE OF
THE WORLD TODAY AND PAINTS A
STARK, WHAT IF SCENARIO, FOR
THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.

A clip shows Tina sitting across from Margaret. Tina wears a blue blazer over a black turtle neck sweater.

She says MARGARET ATWOOD, WELCOME TO
"IMPRINT."

MARGARET ATWOOD says THANK YOU.

TINA says THIS IS A VERY
SOBERING BOOK, AND THERE'S A
QUOTATION I NOTICE AT THE VERY
BEGINNING FROM JONATHAN SWIFT,
AND I'LL JUST PARAPHRASE IT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY IT SAYS, I
COULD HAVE PERHAPS ASTONISHED
YOU WITH STRANGE AND PROBABLE
TALES.
BUT MY PRINCIPLE DESIGN IS TO
INFORM YOU, NOT TO AMUSE YOU.
I MEAN THIS IS VERY SERIOUS
WORK YOU'RE ABOUT HERE, ISN'T
IT?

MARGARET ATWOOD says ALISTAIR
MACLEOD HAS SAID QUITE RIGHTLY,
THAT WRITERS WRITE ABOUT WHAT
WORRIES THEM.

A caption below her reads "Margaret Atwood, oryx and crake."

She continues SO, THE ISSUES IN THE BOOK OR
THE THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE
BOOK ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE
THE CAPABILITY TO DO NOW.
AND SOME OF THEM WE'VE ALREADY
DONE.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says SO, THESE
ARE THINGS THAT, THAT WORRY ME,
AND THEY SHOULD WORRY ANYBODY
WHOSE LOOKING AT THE GLOBAL
PICTURE.

TINA says CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE
WORLD OF "ORYX AND CRAKE"?
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN THE
NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.

MARGARET ATWOOD says NOT TOO
DISTANT FUTURE.

TINA says THERE ARE THINGS IN
HERE THAT WE RECOGNIZE
IMMEDIATELY.

MARGARET ATWOOD says YES.

TINA says THERE'S GENE SPLICING.

MARGARET ATWOOD says YEAH.

TINA says THERE'S ALL KINDS OF
CLIMATE CHANGE.

MARGARET ATWOOD says FIRST OF
ALL THERE ARE THREE CHARACTERS,
AND THE MAIN CHARACTER IS A
PERSON WHO STARTED LIFE AS
JIMMY.

MARGARET ATWOOD says BUT HE HAS
NOW RENAMED HIMSELF, AND HE'S
NAMED HIMSELF SNOWMAN, WITH THE
ABOMINABLE SILENT.
AND AS THE BOOK OPENS HE'S
LIVING IN A TREE, AND WEARING A
BEDSHEET AND THERE'S NOBODY
ELSE AROUND, EXCEPT SOME
WONDERFUL PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
ONLY VEGETARIAN, BUT THEY EAT
LEAVES.
THEY DON'T NEED CLOTHES, AND
THEY'RE NOT IN ANY WAY
AGGRESSIVE.
WHERE DID THEY COME FROM?
SO, THIS IS WHAT JIMMY WILL FIND
OUT IN THE BOOK.

TINA says THIS BOOK CAME TO YOU
I THINK ALMOST IN A VISION, DID
IT IN AUSTRALIA?

MARGARET ATWOOD says OH, I KNOW
I'M A COMPLETE WACKO, BUT I
JUST --

They both laugh.

MARGARET ATWOOD says I WOULD
LIKE TO YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO
HAVE THESE ROMANTIC ERA
VISIONS.
UM, BUT YOU CAN CALL IT THAT IF
YOU WANT TO.
I MEAN YOU DO, YOU DO GET THESE
IDEAS FOR BOOKS THAT COME MORE
OR LESS COMPLETE.

TINA says UH-HUH.

MARGARET ATWOOD says THEN ALL
YOU HAVE TO IS THEN WORK IT
OUT.
AND I WAS IN AUSTRALIA AND I
WAS LOOKING AT ENDANGERED
SPECIES, AND VERY RARE THINGS.
I WAS AT A PLACE CALLED
CASSOWARY HOUSE.
AND THE CASSOWARY IS A VERY
LARGE BIRD, ONE OF THE LAST
LARGE BIRDS.
A FLIGHTLESS BIRD LIKE AN
OSTRICH.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says VERY
COLOURFUL AND IT CAN KILL YOU.
THEY HAVE GREAT BIG CLAWS.
AND THEY JUST PAD AROUND
CASSOWARY HOUSE LOOKING IN THE
WINDOW, STEALING THE PIES AND
HOPING FOR BANANAS.

They both chuckle.

TINA says WELL, YOU LIKE
BANANAS.

MARGARET ATWOOD says BUT THERE
AREN'T VERY MANY OF THEM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says I MEAN I
JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT THE
WORLD IS PRESENTLY THREATENED
BY A BANANA BLIGHT, THAT MAY
WIPE OUT EVERY SINGLE BANANA.
AND SINCE BANANAS ARE IN
ESSENCE CLONES, THEY DON'T
PROPOGATE BY SEEDS, WHEN THE
BANANAS ARE GONE, THEY'RE GONE.
JUST TO TEAR YOU UP.

TINA says REALLY?
YES.

MARGARET ATWOOD says YEAH.

TINA says WELL, THANK YOU, THANK
YOU FOR THAT.

MARGARET ATWOOD says YOU'RE VERY
WELCOME.

TINA says IN THE WORLD OF, OF
JIMMY, THERE ARE MANY THINGS AS
WE SAY THAT ARE RECOGNIZABLE
FROM OUR WORLD.
I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN
THE VARIOUS GAMES THEY PLAY,
BECAUSE OF COURSE IT'S VIDEO
GAMES.

MARGARET ATWOOD says VIDEOGAMES.

TINA says VIDEO GAMES, THEY PLAY
CONSTANT GAMES.
AND ONE OF THEM WHICH I THOUGHT
WAS SUCH A GREAT METAPHOR IS
CALLED BLOOD AND ROSES, WHICH
WAS A GAME WHERE YOU
ESSENTIALLY TRADE ATROCITY I
THINK FOR HUMAN ACHIEVEMENT.

MARGARET ATWOOD says YES, THE
BLOOD ITEMS ARE, ARE
ATROCITIES, AND THEY HAVE TO BE
BIG ATROCITIES.
ONE, RAPE, MURDER WON'T DO.
NO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE KILLED A
NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
AND THE ROSES ITEMS ARE HUMAN
ACHIEVEMENTS IN ARTS AND
SCIENCES AND CIVILIZATION.
AND UM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A WAR
BETWEEN THE ATROCITY PLAYER AND
THE ROSE PLAYER, THE BLOOD
PLAYER AND THE ROSE PLAYER.
AND THESE THINGS HAVE VALUES AS
IN MONOPOLY, AND YOU HAVE TO
DECIDE WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA
TRADE IN SAY, THE MONA LISA IN
ORDER TO WIPE OUT ONE OF THE
ATROCITIES.
BECAUSE YOU CAN WIPE OUT, YOU
CAN ERASE ATROCITIES, AND MAKE
THEM AS IF THEY HADN'T
HAPPENED, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO
SACRIFICE ENOUGH HUMAN
ACHIEVEMENT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, THE ATROCITY
PLAYER CAN CAPTURE THE HUMAN
ACHIEVEMENTS.

TINA says IT'S A BRILLIANT GAME
AND I THOUGHT --

MARGARET ATWOOD says IF THE
ATROCITY PLAYER WINS HE'S GOT
ALL THE HUMAN, HE'S GOT ALL THE
LOOT.

TINA says YEAH.

MARGARET ATWOOD says BECAUSE
EVERYBODY'S DEAD.

They both laugh.

TINA says DO YOU THINK THAT IN A
WAY THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS?
YOU KNOW, SORT OF A BALANCING
ACT BETWEEN ATROCITY AND
ACHIEVEMENT?

MARGARET ATWOOD says NO, I THINK
IT'S HOW WE JUDGE THE WORTH OF
HUMAN BEINGS AS A SPECIES.

TINA says HMMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says YOU KNOW,
WE'VE DONE ALL OF THESE
ATROCITIES.
WE'VE ALSO MANAGED ALL OF THESE
ACHIEVEMENTS INCLUDING MANY
LIFE SAVING INVENTIONS, AND YOU
KNOW, VACCINES, CURES FOR
DISEASE.
THERE'S ALL OF THESE VERY GOOD
THINGS.
SO, ON BALANCE WHAT KIND OF
PEOPLE ARE WE?

TINA says THE CHARACTERS ARE
DISCUSSING, THERE'S THIS
FABULOUS PILL THAT THEY INVENT
NEAR THE END CALLED BLISS PLUS,
AND NOT ONLY DOES IT GIVE YOU
ENDLESS SEXUAL PROWESS, IT
KEEPS YOU YOUNG, AND IT KEEPS
YOU FREE FROM SEXUALLY
TRANSMITTED DISEASES.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DEBATING
WHERE THIS IS GONNA GO OR NOT.
AND ONE OF THE CHARACTERS SAYS,
OH, THERE'LL BE SOME INITIAL
OPPOSITION.
HE SAYS, BUT IT'LL BE DRIVEN BY
HUMAN DESIRE.
THAT YOU KNOW, AS EVERYTHING IS
HUMAN DESIRE WILL OVERWHELM.
DO YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT DRIVES
SOCIETY?

MARGARET ATWOOD says ABSOLUTELY.
I DON'T MEAN JUST SEXUAL
DESIRE.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says BUT HUMAN
SOCIETIES ARE DRIVEN BY WHAT
THEY WANT ON THE ONE HAND AND
WHAT THEY FEAR ON THE OTHER.
AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN TEST THAT
OUT AGAINST ANY POLITICAL
DECISION THAT HAS EVER BEEN
MADE.

TINA says AND WHAT WE FEAR IS
WHAT?
DEATH.

MARGARET ATWOOD says RIGHT NOW?
WELL, LET'S TAKE THE UNITED
STATES.
WHAT THEY WANT IS FOR THEIR
LIFESTYLE TO CONTINUE AND TO
HAVE PEACE AND SECURITY.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says WHAT THEY
FEAR IS ENEMIES ATTACKING THEM.

TINA says IT SOUNDS SO SIMPLE,
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT IT IN
THAT EQUATION.

MARGARET ATWOOD says YES, BUT
HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOW SO
POWERFUL IN RELATION TO THE
REST OF THE PLANET THAT, THAT
IS WHAT IS DRIVING EVERYTHING.

TINA says IN THIS WORLD WHERE
TECHNOLOGY IS KING, WHICH AGAIN
IS, IS SO MUCH LIKE OUR WORLD
NOW, IS THERE ANY STOPPING IT?
I MEAN CAN YOU STOP?

MARGARET ATWOOD says IS THERE
ANY STOPPING IT?
WELL --

TINA says YEAH, BECAUSE PEOPLE
SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO IT,
WE'LL CLONE BECAUSE WE CAN.
OR WE'LL --

MARGARET ATWOOD says CLONING IS
NOT BIG IN THIS BOOK.
WHY?
BECAUSE I WATCHED THE FATE OF
DOLLY THE SHEEP.

TINA says HMMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says CLONES ARE
NOT CREATED BY SEXUAL
REPRODUCTION, AND THEY TEND TO
BE SICKLY.
THEY TEND TO DIE EARLY.
WHAT DOES THIS TELL US?
THERE'S A REASON FOR MEN.

They both laugh.

MARGARET ATWOOD says NATURE
DOESN'T SEEM TO LIKE THE IDEA
OF CLONING

TINA says YEAH.

MARGARET ATWOOD says IN
COMPLICATED ORGANISMS.

TINA says OKAY.
SO, LEAVING CLONING ASIDE, ALL
THE GENETIC MANIPULATION THAT'S
GOING ON THIS WORLD AND
POSSIBLY IN OURS, IS THAT
STOPPABLE?
I MEAN YOU KNOW, DO WE JUST
NEED TO BE VIGILANT ABOUT ALL
THIS STUFF WE'VE UNLEASHED?

MARGARET ATWOOD says I DON'T,
NO, NONE OF THIS, NONE OF,
ELECTRICITY IS NEITHER BAD NOR
GOOD.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says IT'S THE
USES TO WHICH IT IS PUT DRIVEN
BY

TINA says DESIRE.

MARGARET ATWOOD says DESIRE AND
FEAR.

TINA says AND FEAR.

MARGARET ATWOOD says THAT ARE
GOOD OR BAD.
SO, THEN

TINA says BUT THEN HOW DO WE
KEEP AWAY

MARGARET ATWOOD says SO GENMOD IN
ITSELF ISN'T GOOD OR BAD.
IT'S A TOOL.
OF HOW, HOWEVER DO YOU, HOW DO
YOU DECIDE WHICH OF ITS
APPLICATIONS ARE GOOD OR BAD?
IN A MARKET DRIVEN ECONOMY WITH
NO CHECKS AND BALANCES, IT
WOULD BE SIMPLY DRIVEN BY WHAT
PEOPLE WANT.
THAT'S ALL.

TINA says WELL, THEN, THEN IF
YOU FOLLOW THAT LOGIC, THEN ONE
MUST BE PESSIMISTIC.
I MEAN THEN YOU KNOW, YOU THINK
THE BOTTOM LINE WILL ALWAYS WIN
OUT.

MARGARET ATWOOD says I DO HAVE,
BECAUSE I'M A WRITER I'M AN
OPTIMIST.
YOU DON'T WRITE BOOKS UNLESS
YOU ARE ONE.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says AND I DON'T
WRITE BOOKS LIKE THIS BECAUSE I
WANT THEM TO COME TRUE.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WRITE SCARY
BOOKS BECAUSE YOU WANT IT ALL
TO HAPPEN.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says BUT YOU
LIKE TO LAY THE POSSIBILITIES
OUT

TINA says YEAH.

MARGARET ATWOOD says SO THAT
PEOPLE MAY USE THEIR COMMON
SENSE.

TINA says YES.
NOW, YOU HAVE BEEN A SOCIAL
CRITIC.
YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THE, THE
WRITING YOU GIVE US, THE
WONDERFUL POETRY AND, AND
NOVELS AND, AND OTHER PIECES,
YOU'VE BEEN A SOCIAL CRITIC.
YOU, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER YOU
WERE IN THE FREE TRADE DEBATE.
YOU'VE CERTAINLY BEEN A CRITIC
OF AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY.

MARGARET ATWOOD says AND
CANADIAN.

TINA says AND CANADIAN.

MARGARET ATWOOD says AND
CANADIAN.

TINA says AND CANADIAN POLICY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WRITERS
NEED TO DO?
OR IS

MARGARET ATWOOD says YOU CAN'T
TELL WRITERS WHAT THEY NEED TO
DO.

TINA says HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says TO QUOTE
THE AUTHOR OF "WE," ANOTHER
FUTURISTIC BOOK, I WANT TO WANT
FOR MYSELF.

She laughs.

TINA says HMMM.
SO, IT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.

MARGARET ATWOOD says YOU CAN'T
TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.

TINA says YEAH.

MARGARET ATWOOD says OH, IT'S
USUALLY WHAT I GET DRAGGED INTO
DOING.
YOU KNOW, LEFT TO MY OWN
DEVICES I PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO
ANY OF IT, BUT.

TINA says OH, I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT FOR A MINUTE.

MARGARET ATWOOD says WELL, THINK
ABOUT IT.

TINA says I MEAN YOU'VE GOT A
NAME THAT PEOPLE WANT TO USE,
THAT'S FOR SURE.

MARGARET ATWOOD says OKAY,
THAT'S THE BEGINNING.

TINA says YEAH.

MARGARET ATWOOD says AND
THEREFORE WHO GETS THE PHONE
CALLS?

TINA says YOU DO.

MARGARET ATWOOD says I DO.
YES.

TINA says YES.
BUT YOU SAY YOURSELF, THAT
YOU'RE ONE OF THESE WORRIERS.
THAT YOU KNOW, THE WHAT IF
SCENARIO.

MARGARET ATWOOD says WELL,
AMERICA IS OUR BIG NEIGHBOUR.
AND IF THEY GO DOWN, WE GO
DOWN.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says AND THERE'S
NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SO, OF COURSE WE WORRY.
AND OF COURSE IF WE THINK
THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE WRONG
PATH, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT
US, YOU KNOW.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says THE PERSON
WHO BLOWS YOU UP ON SOME STREET
OR OTHER ISN'T GONNA SEE YOUR
TEENY-WEENY, LITTLE MAPLE LEAF.

They both laugh.

TINA says NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOUR,
YOUR BOOK HAS

MARGARET ATWOOD says YOU HAVEN'T
ASKED ME THE QUESTION I THOUGHT
YOU'D START WITH AT THE VERY
BEGINNING.

TINA says WHICH IS WHAT?

MARGARET ATWOOD says HOW COME
JIMMY'S A BOY?
DON'T YOU USUALLY WRITE ABOUT
WOMEN.

TINA says WELL, ALL RIGHT.
I'LL ASK YOU THAT.
HOW COME JIMMY'S A BOY?
DON'T YOU USUALLY WRITE ABOUT
WOMEN?

Tina laughs.

MARGARET ATWOOD says I GOT TIRED
OF PEOPLE THINKING, I GOT TIRED
OF PEOPLE SAYING WHY DO YOU
ALWAYS WRITE ABOUT WOMEN.

She chuckles.

TINA says WELL, YOU KNOW, IT
NEVER STRUCK ME AT ALL.
I THOUGHT JIMMY WAS SUCH A
PERFECTLY CREDIBLE BOY, IT
NEVER STRUCK ME AT ALL THERE
WAS AN ISSUE THERE.

MARGARET ATWOOD says GOOD.
I HAD SOME REALLY BOY READERS
JUST TO CHECK OUT THE BOY
QUALITIES OF JIMMY.

TINA says AND WAS HE BOY ENOUGH
FOR THEM?

MARGARET ATWOOD says HE WAS, BUT
THEY GAVE ME, THEY GAVE ME A
COUPLE OF HINTS ABOUT THE
SWEARING.

TINA says OH.

MARGARET ATWOOD says THEY GAVE
ME SOME SWEAR COACHING.

TINA says AND?

MARGARET ATWOOD says I TOOK IT.
I TOOK THEIR ADVICE.

She nods and they both laugh.

MARGARET ATWOOD says WHO SHOULD
KNOW BETTER?

TINA says UM, PEOPLE I THINK
WILL COMPARE THIS BOOK, I'M
SURE THEY ALREADY HAVE DONE TO
"THE HANDMAID'S TALE."
DO YOU SEE IT IN THE SAME

MARGARET ATWOOD says ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S THE SAME, IT'S IN THE SAME
GENRE.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says IT'S
SPECULATIVE FICTION SET IN THE
FUTURE.

TINA says MMM-HMM.

MARGARET ATWOOD says BUT IT HAS
SHIFTED ITS FOCUS.

TINA says DO YOU THINK THIS BOOK
IS SCARIER?

MARGARET ATWOOD says UM, EITHER
ONE IS NOT TO BE DESIRED.
BUT OF COURSE YOU MAY IN THE
FUTURE GET A COMBINATION OF THE
TWO.

TINA says OH, WOULDN'T THAT BE
GREAT?
THAT'LL BE GREAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
IT'S A, IT'S A WONDERFUL BOOK.
I, I DON'T WANT TO ACTUALLY SAY
THAT I LOVED IT, BECAUSE
READING IT WAS QUITE AN
EXPERIENCE, BUT I THINK IT'S A
BRILLIANT BOOK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TALKING
TO US.

MARGARET ATWOOD says THANK YOU.

TINA says "ORYX AND CRATE," THE
NEW NOVEL BY MARGARET ATWOOD IS
PUBLISHED BY MCLELLAN AND
STUART.

The cover of the book appears once more.

A logo of the show appears.

Back in the studio, TINA says WHEN YOU FINISH
READING A WONDERFUL BOOK, WHAT
DO YOU DO WITH IT?
CHANCES ARE YOU PUT IT ON THE
SHELF AND IT GATHERS DUST.
BUT THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION
THANKS TO THE INTERNET.
BOOKCROSSING.COM IS A UNIQUE
LITERARY PROJECT THAT'S GOT
READERS ALL OVER THE WORLD
SHARING THEIR BOOKS.
"IMPRINT" ENLISTED ONE
DEDICATED BOOK CROSSER TO SHOW
US HOW IT WORKS.

A clip shows Lisa walking down a passage up to a counter. She’s in her twenties; has short brown hair in a bob. She walks up to a blond woman in her later thirties working behind the counter.

LISA CHARLEBOIS says HEY, LENA.

LENA says HEY, GOOD MORNING.
HOW ARE YOU?

LISA CHARLEBOIS says GOOD.
MY NAME'S LISA CHARLEBOIS AND
I'M A COPYWRITER AT THE BUREAU
ADVERTISING IN TORONTO.
AND WELL, I KIND OF HAVE A
SECRET HOBBY, SO TODAY, I'M
GONNA TELL YOU ABOUT IT.

Lisa wears a turtle neck sweater with red and orange rectangular patterns on it. A caption below her reads "Lisa Charlebois, bookcrosser."

She continues IT'S CALLED BOOKCROSSING.COM.
IT'S THIS BOOK CLUB THAT'S ALL
OVER THE WORLD.
ANYWAYS, JUST COME WITH ME.
I'LL SHOW YOU.
BOOKCROSSING.COM IS A WEBSITE
WHERE YOU REGISTER YOUR OLD
BOOKS AND YOU GET TO GIVE THEM
AWAY.

She shows a computer screen with the "Bookcrossing.com" website open on it.

She says WHEN YOU GO ON THE BOOKCROSSING
WEBSITE, YOU WRITE A REVIEW FOR
THE BOOK YOU ARE ABOUT TO
RELEASE.
AND YOU RATE IT FROM ONE TO
TEN, AND THEN YOU REGISTER THE
BOOK, MAKE RELEASE NOTES AND THEN
JUST DROP IT OFF.

A caption on the screen reads "Bookcrossing.com is the brain child of Ron Hornbaker, a software developer in Kansas city, Missouri."
A picture shows Ron. He’s in his forties, has short dark hair and leans on a street sign with the cartoon of a running book.

Another picture shows a woman in her thirties with straight short hair in a bob. A caption on screen reads "Agent, Vivian Hutcheson, Released 302 books."

VIVIAN HUTCHESON says I'VE BEEN
GETTING BOOKS AND PASSING THEM
ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND
YEARS AND NEVER KNOWN WHAT'S
HAPPENED TO THEM, AND NOW I CAN
FIND OUT.
SO I REALLY LIKE THAT.

LISA CHARLEBOIS says SO, I'M
RELEASING FOUR BOOKS.

She shows each book up to the camera and continues
FIRST ONE, "INTO THIN AIR" BY
JOHN KRAKAUER.
FANTASTIC.
SO, IT'S MOUNTAIN CLIMBING, I
MAY'S WELL LEAVE IT AT MOUNTAIN
EQUIPMENT CO-OP.
THE NEXT ONE, IS ANN-MARIE
MACDONALD'S "FALL ON YOUR
KNEES."
YOU CAN SEE I ONLY ACTUALLY
READ THE FIRST 50 PAGES.

She shows a book marker at the beginning of the book.

She continues BUT I'M SURE SOMEONE ELSE WILL
REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
SO, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THE
HARBOURFRONT, WATER.
MICHAEL ONDAATJE, "IN THE SKIN
OF THE LION."
UM, IT'S JUST A NATURAL, SO I
MAY AS WELL LEAVE IT AT THE
BLOOR STREET VIADUCT.
IT MAKES SENSE.
ANOTHER ONE I DIDN'T READ,
"SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHAKRAS,"
I'M SURE SOMEONE WHO DOES YOGA
WILL APPRECIATE IT, SO I'LL
LEAVE IT A YOGA STUDIO.

A clip in quick motion shows Lisa walking and releasing her books in different locations.

A caption on screen reads "Bookcrossing.com has 101 thousand 595 members in 130 countries from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe. 9 thousand 232 Canadians have joined the site."

A picture shows around 15 people sitting around a square table.

A photo shows a woman in her late twenties; she has short blond hair and bangs. A caption below her reads "Agent, Katrina Muncie, released 50 books."

KATRINA MUNCIE says I PERSONALLY
LEAVE MY BOOKS IN BANK KIOSKS
OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND YOU HAVE TO WRITE NOTES,
PLEASE TAKE ME HOME OR YOU'LL
GO BACK AND THEY'LL BE THERE
FOR DAYS.
SO, I STARTED PUTTING STICKERS
ON THE FRONT SAYING FREE TO A
GOOD HOME, SO JUST LIKE A
KITTEN BOX.

A photo of a woman in her forties appears; she has short blond hair. A caption below her reads "agent, Shannon Nichols, released 3 books."

SHANNON NICHOLS says WHEN YOU'RE
RELEASING THESE THINGS, I'M,
I'M, MAYBE I'M JUST A BIT
PARANOID, BUT I FEEL A BIT
SNEAKY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MIGHT
BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
SO I TRY AND BE VERY DISCREET
ABOUT IT.

Fast clips show Lisa releasing her books in different places, even a yoga studio.

A caption on the screen reads "290 thousand 486 books have been released into the wild around the world. 14 thousand 856 are currently in Canada."

At a coffee shop in the evening, LISA CHARLEBOIS points to people sitting around a square table and says THIS IS A
BOOK CROSSING MEET UP.
AND BOOKCROSSERS GET TOGETHER
ABOUT ONCE A MONTH AND THEY
CHAT.
THEY ACTUALLY GET TO MEET EACH
OTHER, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
THEY GET TO EXCHANGE BOOKS.

A clip shows them later checking out a pile of books on a table.

A woman asks OH, WHO BROUGHT THIS?

Another one answers I DID.

LISA CHARLEBOIS says OH, IS IT
GOOD?

She answers NOT BAD, NOT BAD.
YEAH.

A picture appears on screen. It shows a man in his forties with short brown hair and a moustache. A caption below him reads "Agent Albert Heres, released 6 books."

ALBERT HERES says I'M HERE TO
UM, DROP SOME BOOKS OFF AT
BOOKCROSSING.
SO, WE'VE BEEN MEETING FOR THE
LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND IT
SEEMS LIKE QUITE A LIVELY BUNCH
ACTUALLY.

A woman in her thirties with short dark hair in a bob and glasses appears. A caption below her reads "agent Nadia Subryan, released 250 books."

NADIA SUBRYAN says I LIKE THE
IDEA OF A BOOK CLUB WHICH
DOESN'T HAVE THAT MUCH
STRUCTURE.
MEANING THAT THERE ISN'T A BOOK
OF THE MONTH THAT EVERYBODY HAS
TO READ.
IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WHERE
EVERYONE IS, IS FREE TO READ,
READ WHATEVER TYPE OF
LITERATURE THEY WANT.
THEY CAN SHARE WHATEVER THEY'D
LIKE.
THEY CAN CHOOSE NOT TO SHARE IF
THEY DON'T WANT TO.
IT'S, I THINK I LIKE THE
OPENNESS OF, OF, OF THE CLUB.

One of the female participants around the table says AND I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND
THE NEW JOHN GRISHAM BOOK.
I GOT SUCKED IN CAUSE ON THE
COVER IT SAID, HIS BEST ONE IN
YEARS.
WELL, IT'S NOT.
IT'S THE SAME OLD, SAME OLD, SO
DON'T BOTHER.

Some laugh.

LISA CHARLEBOIS says THE BOOK I
JUST FINISHED WAS JOHN
KRAKUER'S "INTO IN AIR," AND
UM, I ACTUALLY RELEASED IT
EARLIER TODAY AT THE MOUNTAIN
EQUIPMENT CO-OP.
SO, GO AND GET IT.

They all laugh.

LISA CHARLEBOIS says IT'S FUN TO
DO AND IT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD
AND YOU KNOW, YOUR BOOK'S JUST
SITTING ON YOUR SHELF ANYWAYS.
YOU MAY AS WELL GIVE IT AWAY.

Back at the studio, TINA says THAT'S A WRAP FOR
TONIGHT'S SHOW AND FOR THE 14TH
SEASON OF "IMPRINT."
WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE YOU NOW
WITH A LITTLE PRE-ELECTION
PRIMER FOR ONTARIO VOTERS.
YOU KNOW, WHERE THE POLITICIANS
STAND ON THE ISSUES.
BUT WHAT DO THESE GUYS READ?
HERE WITH THEIR RECOMMENDED
READING ARE THE MEN AND WOMEN
AT QUEEN'S PARK.

Theme music plays as the end credits roll.

Special thanks North 44; Sage Yoga and Meditation centre, Starbucks coffee.

Imprint. C/O TVOntario. P.O. Box 200. Station Q, Toronto, Ontario. M4T 2T1.

Fax: 416-484-2780.

E-mail: imprint@tvo.org.

Website: www.tvo.org/imprint

Watch: Imprint season 14 episode 28