Transcript: Imprint season 14 episode 3 | Oct 09, 2002

Tina Srebotnjak stands in a studio with pieces of art in red and orange hanging in the background.

She’s in her late thirties, with short chestnut hair and bangs. She’s wearing a long gray blazer.


She says HELLO TONIGHT ON
"IMPRINT" IT IS GILLER TIME.
NOT TO MENTION THE BOOKER.
CANADIAN WRITERS VYE FOR
THE TOP PRIZES IN LITERATURE.
WAS ANYONE LEFT OUT?

In a clip, a man in his thirties says I'M STUNNED THE GUY VAN
HICK'S BOOK IS NOT ON THE
LIST.

Tina continues WORLD FAMOUS WRITER SALMON
RUSHY REVELS IN THE LIFE OF
THE FREE MAN.

In an interview, a man in his fifties says I MISS TALKING ABOUT THE
PLEASURE OF THE LIFE IN A FREE
MAN.
SHORT SKIRTS AND DANCING
AND ROOT SONGS AND -- YOU
KNOW -- THE PLEASURE OF LIFE.

Theme music plays as the opening sequence rolls.
Fast clips show books and maps in hues of orange and red.

Back in the studio, Tina says THE BOOK WORLD IS
BUZZING WITH THE LATEST NEWS
ON BOOK PRICES.
FIRST CAME WORD THAT THREE OF THE
SIX FINAL FOR THE BOOKER PRIZE
ARE CANADIAN.
AND LAST WEEK THE NOMINEES
WERE ANNOUNCED FOR THE MOST
PRESTIGIOUS PRICE, THE
GILLER.

A clip plays. In the clip, a man in his fifties stands behind a podium and says
THE GILLER PRIZE FINALIST
ARE FIRST "AUSTIN LARK, FOR
THE POLISHED HOE"

The book appears briefly. The cover features a woman with her back to the shot who wears a white dress and bends to her right.

He continues BILL
GASTROIN FOR "MOUNT APPETITE"

The book appears briefly. The cover features a red rose.

He continues WANE JOHNSON FOR "THE
NAVIGATOR OF NEW YORK"

The book appears briefly. The cover features a woman sitting on a plane.

He continues LISA
MOORE FOR "OPEN" PUBLISHED BY
HOUSE OF THE NANSY PRESS.

The book appears briefly. The cover features a woman who lays on a bed but her face cannot be seen.

He continues AND CAROL SHIELDS "UNLESS"
PUBLISHED BY RANDOM HOUSE,
CANADA.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Ben McNally. Nicholas Hoare Books." He's in his sixties, clean-shaven with white hair.

He says IT WAS A GREAT LIST FOR
BOOKSELLERS.
USUALLY THE GILLER LIST IS
FULL OF BOOKS THAT ARE SELLING
ANYWAY.
THIS GIVES US A CHANCE TO
BRING BOOKS TO SOME PEOPLE'S
ATTENTION.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "James Adams. Globe and Mail." He's in his fifties, clean-shaven with gray hair.

He says says IT IS A LIST NOTABLE FOR
ITS ABSENCE LIST.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Stevie Cameron. Author, journalist."

She says THE PEOPLE ON THE LIST WE
WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN BEFORE.
IT WAS ALWAYS FAIRLY
MAINSTREAM.
I THINK THEY GET THEIR
OPPORTUNITY IN OTHER VENUES.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Noah Richler. National Post." He's in his forties, clean-shaven with brown hair.

He says THIS IS USED TO BE THE
PRIDES THAT CHOSE THE BEST
BOOKS WITHOUT CONSIDERATION.
WITHOUT THINKING WHETHER OR
NOT IF THERE WAS ONE BEFORE,
THEREFORE SHOULD IT NOT BE
CONSIDERED FOR THAT REASON.
I THINK -- I KNOW THE
WORKS -- ACTUALLY ALL THE
WRITERS.
THERE'S ONE BOOK I HAVEN'T
READ.
THE GLEE OF A PRIZE IS MAYBE I
WOULD TURN TO THE BOOK AND
FIND IT BETTER.
I KNOW I WON'T FIND FOUR OR
FIVE BOOKS BETTER THAN VANDER
MAKE.
HE WILL BE THE MISSING
ADDITION.

Back in the studio, Tina says DID ANY DESERVING
WRITERS GET LEFT ON THE LIST?
HERE ARE SANDA MARTIN AND TANNIS THE
HUMBER SCHOOL FOR WRITERS.
WHAT DID YOU THINK OF
THE LIST?

Sandra's in her fifties with short gray hair. A caption reads "Sandra Martin. The Globe and Mail."

She says IT EXPRESSED THE LIST OF
THE PARTICULAR JUDGES.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR VOICES.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR
REGIONALISM.
IT IS THERE.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO FIND PEOPLE
OVERLOOKED IN THE PAST.
DOING SO, THEY HAVE OVERLOOKED
PEOPLE RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW.

Tina says AND TANNIS?

Tannis is in his fifties with a beard and short white hair. A caption reads "Antanas Sileika. The Humber School for Writers."

He says THE GILLER LIST WAS ALWAYS
"GLITTER"ING.
WE HAVE THE FEELING WE DON'T
CARE WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE
COUNTRY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
WHAT'S GREAT.
I FELT LIKE THE GOVERNOR'S
GENERAL.
SOMETHING FROM THE EAST,
SOMETHING FROM THE WEST AND
WELL-KNOWN AND NOT WELL-KNOWN.
IT IS UNGILLERISH.

Tina says GUY VANDERHAINL HAS
"THE LAST CROSSING" IS IT
ANOMISSION TO THE LIST?

The book appears briefly. The cover features two sleds moving across a blanket of snow.

She continues IT IS AN OMISSION TO THE
LIST.

Sandra says IT IS SUPPOSE NOT TO HAVE ANY
RULES.
IT IS BEGINNING TO GET RULES.
THERE'S A RULE THERE CAN'T BE
A TIE AND CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN
FIVE ON THE 1W4506RG9 LIST AND
THE UNSPOKEN RULE, YOU CAN'T
BE ON IT, IF YOU HAVE WON
BEFORE.
THERE'S NO EXPLANATION IN MY
MIND FOR WHY GUY VANDER HAINL
IS ON THAT LIST.
I BET HE WILL POP UP ON THE
GOVERNOR GENERAL.

Tine says HE'S ALREADY WON.
HAVE YOU READ THE
NOVEL?

Tannis says I HAVEN'T READ THE NEW ONE.
FROM "THE ENGLISH MAN'S BOY"
IT WAS FABULOUS.
THE NOTABLE ADMISSIONS ONE, ROHINTON MISTRY.

The book appears briefly. The cover features a young man with his back to the camera who looks into the distance.

He continues I'M
ALMOST FINISHED THAT ONE.
IT IS RICH.
IT IS ALL THE CLASSIC
QUALITIES OF THE FICTION YOU
SETTLE IN FOR THE LONG WEEKEND
FOR.
IT IS ASTONISHING IT DID NOT
MAKE THE LIST.
AND "TESTAMENT" WHICH I THINK
TO DATE HAS NOT BEEN FAIRLY
REVIEWED IT RETAILS THE NEW
TESTAMENT.

The book appears briefly.

He continues THEREFORE IT IS CHARGED
INFORMATION AND THEY TAKE A
STAND.
IT IS WELL
WRITTEN.

Sandra says I DON'T REALLY AGREE WITH
YOU.

Tina says OH, REALLY YES?

Sandra says I THINK THE ROHINTON
MYSTERY IS NOT GOOD.
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO
WRITE A BAD BOOK.
THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT
REALLY BOTHERED ME.
HE HAS MOVED INTO THE PRESENT
DAY.
HE IS REALLY NOT CAUGHT UP
WITH HIMSELF.
FOR EXAMPLE, HE HAS TWO BOYS
BORN IN THE LATE 80s AND 90s.
THEY ARE IN INDIA, WHERE ALL
THE NOVELS ARE SET.
THEY HAVE NO SENSE OF
COMPUTERS, TELEVISION, VIDEO.
IT IS THOUGH THE CHILDHOOD WAS
FROZEN WHEN HE WAS A CHILD.
THAT BOTHERED ME QUITE A BIT
ABOUT THE NOVEL.
ALTHOUGH--
I FOUND THAT A PROBLEM.
NOW THERE WERE OTHER OMISSIONS
FELT.
I REALLY THOUGHT THAT "OPEN"
WOULD BE ON THE LIST.
I PREDICTED THAT, BECAUSE OF
WHO THE JUDGES ARE.
IT IS VERY POETIC BOOK.
IT IS AN INTERESTING VOICE
FROM NEWFOUNDLAND.
I THINK IT IS OVER WRITTEN IN
PARTS.
THE ONE I WAS SURPRISED AT WAS
NANCY LEE'S "DEAD GIRLS" I
THOUGHT IT WAS A SHORT
STORY COLLECTION FROM A YOUNG
WRITER.
I WAS SURPRISED IT WASN'T ON
THE LIST.

The book appears briefly. The cover features a girl laying upside down with her eyes closed.

Tina says "DEAD GIRLS" GOT
GREAT REVIEWS.

Sandra says THE TITLE STORY IS VERY
COMPELLING AND TECHICALLY
WONDERFULLY GOOD.
AND IT ALSO IS VERY TOPICAL.
IT IS ABOUT THE MISSING WOMEN
OF VANCOUVER, THE BOOK CAME
OUT, THEY IN FACT ARRESTED
SOMEONE.

Tina says IT IS SO IN THE NEWS
NOW.
THERE WAS A BIG GAPS WHEN LISA
MORE WAS NOMINATED.
PEOPLE WERE THRILLED.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT
NOMINATION AND ALSO WITH HER
OTHER UP AND COMERS?

Tannis says FIRST, YOU HAVE A SENSE OF
SHOCK.
SAYING THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS
MISSING FROM THE LIST.
AS YOU START TO WORK THROUGH
THE LIST YOU SEE THE LITERARY
QUALITIES THERE.
LISA MORE, SHE'S A PRETTY GOOD
WRITER.
I'M NOT SURE SHE SHOULD BE ON
THE LIST.
OCCASIONALLY IT IS TOO TURSE.
BILL GASTON HAS BEEN WRITING
FOR A DECADE.
I REMEMBER REVIEWING HIM,
MOSTLY HOCKEY BOOKS.
AND THE LOAD STORY IS WHEN CBC
LITERARY COMPETITION.
I BEGIN TO FEEL FOR THOSE
PEOPLE WHICH GOOD THINGS WILL
THEY CHOOSE.

Tina says THEY READ 90 BOOKS.
IT IS A TOUGH CHOICE.
BEFORE WE LEAVE.
WHO DO YOU THINK WILLWY WIN?
CAROL SHIELDS HAS BEEN
NOMINATED WHO DO YOU THINK
WILL WIN?

Sandra says IT COULD EASILY BE CAROL
SHIELDS.
SHE WAS SHORT LISTED IN '97,
BUT SHE HAS NEVER WON, OR ELSE
ONE OF THE SITUATIONS WHERE
SOMEONE COMES UP THE MIDDLE.
DEFINITELY NOT GASTON OR MORE.

- WAIT A MINUTE.
WANE JOHNSTON.

Tina says HE WAS ON.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
IT IS SO OBVIOUS.

Sandra says I THINK HE'S GOING TO WIN.

Tina says FORMING HER OPINIONS AS SHE
GOES ALONG.

Tannis says I THINK IT WILL BE A DEAD
HEAT BETWEEN WAYNE JOHNSTON
AND CARROLE SHIELDS "UNLESS"
TAKES A QUIET THEME.
THE EXPLORATION OF GOODNESS.
THAT'S TOUGH TO WRITE ABOUT
WELL.
I THINK SHE DID WELL.

Sandra says IT IS A WONDERFUL BOOK.
IT REALLY STICKS WITH YOU.
THE WAY JOHNSTON HAS SO MANY
VOICES.
HE HASN'T WON.

Tina says WAS HE NOMINATED FOR
"COLONY OF UNREQUITED DREAMS"?

Sandra says YES.

Tina says THREE CANADIAN.
LOTS OF GREAT PRESS.
CAROL SHIELDS, AND YANN MARTEL
I THOUGHT A GREAT BOOK.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE
BOOKER LIST?

The book appears briefly. The cover features a hand-drawn tiger over an ocean.

Sandra says I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY
INTERESTING.
PEOPLE SAID, "THE EMPIRE
STRIKES BACK" I SPOKE WITH THE
CHAIR OF THE JUDGES SHE SAID
THEY WERE LOOKING FOR STORY
TELLING.
THESE ARE BOOKS THAT EXCEL IN
STORY TELLING WHO WILL WIN?
WILLIAM TREVOR, THE CONSUMATE
IRISH STORY TELLER.
HE IS THE SENTIMENTAL
FAVOURITE.
I PUT MY MONEY EITHER ON
WILLIAM TREVOR OR YANN MARTEL.
THERE ARE SIX OR FIVE JUDGES.
I THINK HE WILL COME UP THE
MIDDLE.

Tina says DO YOU THINK THE
CANADIANS HAVE A CHANCE?

Tannis says I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO
CHEER FOR THE HOME TEAM.
THE CANADIANS ARE INTERESTING
BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENCE IN
THE NOVELS.
YAN MARTEL IT IS URBANE.
IT IS VERY INTELECTUAL.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE MYSTERY.
IT IS WARM AND HEART OF THINGS
AND CAROL SHIELDS A QUIET
BOOK.
THERE'S INCREDIBLE VARIETY.
YOU SAY WE HAVE THE THREE
BASIS COVERED, SURELY ONE OF
THE THREE WILL TAKE IT?
I THINK ONE WILL.
I'M LEANING TOWARDS THE
MYSTERY I THINK.
NOT BECAUSE IT IS ONE I
PREFER.
I THINK IT HAS THOSE QUALITIES
THE BOOKER SEEMS TO GO FOR.

Tina says IF WE COULD KNOCK OUT
WILLIAM TREVOR.
HE'S THE LEAD GUY.

Tannis says HE'S HAD ENOUGH.

Tina says THANK YOU FOR COMING
IN WITH YOUR LOVELY BRILLIANT
THOUGHTS FORMED AS YOU GO
ALONG.
OKAY.
APART FROM THE PRIZES TO THEY
DO IT.
WHAT MOTIVATES SOME TO CHOOSE
THE WRITING LIFE OVER A MORE
LUCRATIVE CAREER IN SAY,
INVESTMENT BANKING.
HERE'S WHAT SOME AUTHORS HAD
TO SAY.

Against an orange background with a sun and some books, a text reads "Do you ever ask yourself 'Why do I write'?"

Eric appears in the sun. He's in his sixties with a thick mustache and white hair. A caption reads "Eric McCormack."

He says I HAVE OFTEN ASKED MYSELF
WHY I WRITE.
I HAVE GIVEN MYSELF MANY
ANSWERS.
I'VE ALWAYS COME TO THE
CONCLUSION THAT THE ANSWER WAS
UNSATISFACTORY.

Molly appears in the sun. She's in her forties with short brown hair and bangs. The caption changes to "Molly Peacock."

She says I'M DRIVEN TO WRITE, ALMOST
PHYSICALLY.
IT IS ALMOST EFFERVESCENT, UP
THROUGH MY BODY INTO MY MOUTH.
AND I HAVE TO -- WORDS IN MY
MOUTH AND SOME ENERGY THROUGH
MY HAND.
I HAVE TO WRITE THINGS DOWN.

Terry appears in the sun. He's in his thirties, clean-shaven with black hair. The caption changes to "Terry Woo."

He says I HAVE NEVER REALLY ASKED
MYSELF THAT QUESTION.
MY PARENTS HAVE ASKED ME THAT
QUESTION.
WHY CAN'T YOU BE A DOCTOR?

Lee appears in the sun. He's in his fifties, clean-shaven with short brown hair. The caption changes to "Lee Gowan."

He says I HAVE TO, BECAUSE I USUAL
START TO GET DEPRESSED WHEN
I'M NOT WRITING.

Marian appears in the sun. She's in her sixties with short gray and white hair. The caption changes to "Marian Fowler."

She says I ENJOY IT SO MUCH.

Tim appears in the sun. He's in his fifties, clean-shaven with short gray hair. The caption changes to "Tim Wynveen."

He says WHEN I'M NOT WRITING I FEEL
EMPTY AND SHALLOW, BECAUSE I'M
NOT THINKING AS DEEPLY AND
CLEARLY AS I LIKE TO THINK.

Cecil appears in the sun. He's in his forties, clean-shaven and bald. The caption changes to "Cecil Foster."

He says I LIKE TELLING STORIES.
I LIKE TRYING TO ENTERTAIN
PEOPLE.

Will appears in the sun. He's in his forties with a thick beard and short brown hair. The caption changes to "Will Ferguson."

He says IF I STOPPED WRITING I
WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET
A REAL JOB.

Charlotte appears in the sun. She's in her fifties with short brown hair. The caption changes to "Charlotte Gray."

She says I GET A PSYCHIC KICK.
AND A SHORT OF INTELLECTUAL
NUTRICIAN OUT OF WRITING.

Kelly appears in the sun. She's in her forties with long blonde hair and bangs. The caption changes to "Kelly Watt."

She says SOMETIMES I ASK WHY KEEP ON
WRITING.

Will says LET ME REPHRASE TO
COMMUNICATE MY INNERMOST
FEELINGS, BECAUSE I HAVE
SOMETHING DEEP INSIDE I WANT
TO SAY.
THAT'S THE ANSWER I WANT TO
GIVE.

Back in the studio, Tina says
SALMON RUSHTY WILL BE
KNOWN AS THE WRITER WHO SPENT
10 YEARS UNDER THE SENTENCE OF
DEATH.
THE 1989 IRAN ISSUED A DEATH
ORDER.
THE WRITER WENT INTO HIDING.
SALMON RUSKY HAS COME A LONG
WAY.
THE FATAH WAS LIFTED FOUR
YEARS AGO.
NOW HE LIVES IN NEW YORK.
I MET A RELAXED SALMAN.

Now a clip plays of Tina interviewing Salmon in a library. He's in his sixties with a thick white beard and sparse brown hair.

She says WELCOME TO "IMPRINT" THIS
IS A BOOK ABOUT BORDERS AND
FRONTIERS AND HOW WE CROSS
THEM.
WHY ARE BORDERS OR THE IDEA OF
BORDERS SO IMPORTANT TO YOU?

A caption reads "Salmon Rushdie. Step Across This Line."

He says WELL WITH, FIRST ALL
BECAUSE -- THAT IDEA WOULD
REALLY BE THE HEART OF MY OWN
LIFE STORY.
NOT BY CHOICE, BY WHAT
HAPPENED AROUND ME.
I WAS BORN EIGHT WEEKS TO THE
DAY BEFORE THE INDEPENDENCE OF
INDIA.
OF COURSE THE PARTION OF INDIA
INTO THE COUNTRIES OF INDIA
AND PAKISTAN.
THIS HUGE FIERCE BORDER CAME
SLASHING DOWN ACROSS THE
SUBCONTINENT.
IT KILLED -- WHAT MIGHT BE
HALF A MILLION PEOPLE IN THE
MASSACRES AND THE RIOTS THAT
FOLLED OF THE PARTION.
NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT SPLIT MY
FAMILY IN HALF.
MORE OR LESS JUST ABOUT
EXACTLY HALF MY REAL TIBS
DECIDED TO GO AND LIVE IN
PAKISTAN.
THE OTHER HALF, INCLUDING MY
OWN FAMILY DECIDED THAT THEY
DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THAT.
THEY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE LIVING
IN A MUSLIM STATE.
THEY DECIDED TO STAY IN INDIA.
WHAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
I GREW UP WITH THE FACT OF
THAT PARTION AS BEING THE MOST
IMPORTANT SINGLE FACT ABOUT
ABOUT THE EXTERNAL WORLD AND
HOW IT IMPINGED IN MY LIFE.

Tina says YOU SAY IN YOUR BOOK OF
ESSAYS ESPECIALLY
POSTSEPTEMBER 11th, WHICH WAS
A BORDERLINE OF ITS OWN.
A KIND OF LINE THERE.
THAT WE HAVE COME TO THINK
ABOUT THIS IDEA DIFFERENTLY.
THAT WE LIVE IN A GUESS A FEAR
OF OTHERS.

Salmon says PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO HAVE
SPENT THEIR LIVES TALKING
ABOUT THE ENRICHING PART OF
MIXTURE.
REALLY I THINK HAVE SOME -- HAVE
A BIT OF AN UPHILL STRUGGLE.
IN GENERAL I ALWAYS FELT THAT
THE GREAT FACT ABOUT THE GREAT
MODERN CITY WAS THAT YOU DID
COOLIDE WITH STORIES FROM ALL
OVER THE WORLD.
AND THAT WAS GREATLY ENRICHING
OF YOUR OWN STORY.

Tina says YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT
WIZARD OF OZ WHICH WAS ONE
WITH OF YOUR FIRST LITTERARRY
EXPERIENCES THE IDEA YOU SAY
THE BOARD CROSSINGS BY NATURE.
YOU SAY THE IDEA IS NOT THAT
THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME,
BUT WE CAN'T WAIT TO GET OUT
OF KANSAS TO GO TO OZ.

Salmon says LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF OVER
THE RAINBOW."

A clip of a woman in her twenties singing "Over the Rainbow" plays.

Back in the library, Salmon says SHE'S NOT SAYING HOW NICE
IT IS TO BE IN KANSAS.
SHE'S SAYING, IF ONLY SHE
COULD GO THERE BIRDS FLY OVER
THE RAINBOW WHY CAN'T I.

Tina says DO YOU THINK HUMAN
BEINGS HARKEN FOR ELSEWHERE,
NOT HOME?
I THINK THERE'S THIS ROMANTIC
IDEA, WE'RE SO DESPERATELY
TIED TO OUR ROOTS, WE DO WANT
TO BE HOME?

Salmon says I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO
GREAT FORCES THAT WORK ON US.
THE IDEA OF ROOTS AND THE IDEA
OF THE ROAD.
SO -- YOU WANT, BOTH OF, ALL
OF US WANT THOSE THINGS.

Tina says IT MAKES FOR AN
INTERESTING LIFE?

Salmon says MOST OF US, MORE OF US
GO TOWARDS THE IDEA OF ROOTS.
WHAT'S HAPPENING INCREASINGLY
IN THE LAST CENTURY IS THAT
MORE AND MORE OF US HAVE
MOVED.
THEY HAVE TAKEN.
THIS HAS BEEN THE GREAT AGE OF
MIGGRATION.
PEOPLE HAVE MOVED ACROSS THE
PLANET AS NEVER BEFORE.
THE FANTASY OF LEAVING IT HAS
BECOME AND MORE AND MORE AND
MORE.
IN THE FACT OF THE LIVES OF
MORE AND MORE PEOPLE.
CERTAINLY, IF YOU LOOK AT ANY
OF THE BIG CITIES BUTTIENT
ESSENTIALLY IN NEW YORK.
EVERYONE COMES FROM SOMEWHERE
ELSE.

Tina says YOU LIVE IN NEW YORK.
IT IS THE CITY YOU LOVE.

Salmon says THAT WAS THE FIRST BIG
ATTRACTION.
YOU KNOW -- THAT EVERYONE'S
LIFE WAS SORT OF LIKE MINE.
SUDDENLY I FELT NORMAL.
EVERYONE'S LIFE OR EVERYONE'S
FAMILY HISTORY SEEMED TO
CONTAIN A SIMILAR OR
SOME -- SOME CRAZY JOURNEY TO
GET THERE.
AND EVERYONE'S LIFE SEEMED TO
HAVE -- YOU KNOW FAMILY
SKELETONS IN THE CUBBARD.
SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE FOR
MY BOOKS SAY THE FAMILY IN
THESE BOOKSES ARE WEIRD AND ET
CETERA.
I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT FROM THE
READER.
WHAT I GET IS THAT'S EXACTLY
LIKE MY FAMILY.
IT MADE ME THINK THAT THE IDEA
OF NORMALITY IS THE FICTION.
THAT ACTUALLY EVERYONE'S
PRIVATE LIFE IS BIZARRE.
I MEAN MAXIMALLY BIZARRE.
BEHIND THIS DOOR OF A
HOUSEHOLD.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF HELL
BREAKING OUT.
WE PRETEND IT ISN'T.
WE PUT A PUBLIC FACE TO THE
WORLD BY POSING FOR
PHOTOGRAPHS AND WE'RE ALL
HAPPY TOGETHER.
ACTUALLY WE'RE MURDERING EACH
OTHER IN SECRET.

Tina says YOUR BOOKS ARE NOT
ACT OF IMAGINATION, THEY'RE
ACTS OF REALITY.

Salmon says THEY'RE UNDERSTATEMENTS.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT.
REAL LIFE, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT
UP.
REAL LIFE EXCEEDS EVERYTHING
YOU CAN DREAM UP.

Tina says I WANT TO ASK ABOUT
POPULAR CULTURE.
THERE'S A LOT ABOUT POPULAR
CULTURE WE TALKED ABOUT THE
"WIZARD OF OZ" WHAT DO YOU
THINK POPULAR CULTURE--

Salmon says A NOVELEST IS A POPULAR
CREATURE.
THE NOVEL HAS NOTHING TO DO
WITH ANYTHING HIGHBROW AND
REMOTE.
THE NOVELIST IS IN THE JOB OF
PLUNGING INTO THE WORLD, UP TO
HERE.
YOU SIMPLY CAN'T WRITE ABOUT
PEOPLE, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW
THEY ACTUALLY LIVE AND WHAT
REALLY MOVES THEM.
UNLESS YOU WANT CHARACTERS WHO
ONLY LISTEN TO HIGH OPERA.
YOU HAVE TO GO ABOUT CONROY
TEMPORARY MUSIC.
YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW ABOUT
ORDINARY FOOD.
UNLESS YOU WANT CHARACTERS WHO
DESPISE ALL SPORT.
YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW WHAT GOES
ON INSIDE SPORTS STADIUM.
SO YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW THIS
STUFF, OTHERWISE, YOU'RE
IGNORANT.
OTHERWISE YOU'RE TRYING TO
MAKE THE WORLD BLIND FOLLOWED.
MY VIEW IS ALWAYS DIVE IN
THERE.

Tina says THERE'S ALSO A GREAT
SECTION.
I DID SEE YOU IN "BRIDGETTE
JONES" YOU WANTED TO BE AN
ACTOUR?

Salmon says I DID.
THAT PIECE IN THE ESSAYS WAS
WRITTEN.
THE REQUEST OF MICHAEL -- HE
AND DENNIS SPAULDING WERE
EDITING THE ISSUE OF BRICK
MAGAZINE.
IF YOU LIKE THE PATH NOT TAKEN.
AND THEY WERE ASKING ALL SORTS
OF PEOPLE TO COME UP WITH WHAT
THEY MIGHT HAVE DONE, IF THEY
WOULDN'T HAVE DONE WHAT THEY
DID.
I WROTE THIS PIECE.

Tina says TELL ABOUT BEING A
PIXY?

Salmon says IT WAS MY FIRST ROLE.
MY LITTLE BOY AND I GOT THE
PART DANCING AROUND.
I REMEMBER MY MOTHER GOING TO
GREAT TROUBLE TO CUT OUT -- A
CREPE PAPER THIS ORANGE AND
GREEN PIXY COSTUME I HAD ON
WITH A PIXY HAT AND PAPER.
SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS
THE PROBLEM.
THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH
THE FASTENINGS OF THE COSTUME.
WHEN I WAS DANCING AROUND IN
MY PIXY CIRCLE IT FELL OFF AND
I WAS STANDING IN MY LITTLE
UNDER PANTS AND VEST, FEELING
LIKE A PIXY.

Tina says YOU CONTINUED IN
SPITE OF THAT.
YOU WENT TO PLAY A BLOND WOMAN
IN DRAG.

Salmon says THAT'S RIGHT.
THE PROBLEM OF ACTING IS THAT
YOU DO FIND YOURSELF DOING
SOME VERY WEIRD THINGS.

Tina says YOU SAY WE'RE AT A
HINGE MOMENT IN HISTORY.
THAT WE HAVE A TEST BEFORE US,
THAT YOU HOPE WE WILL PASS.
WHY DO YOU THINK WE'RE AT THIS
HINGE MOMENT?

Salmon says JUST BECAUSE THIS TERRIBLE
THING HAPPENED.

Tina says SEPTEMBER 11th.

Salmon says YES THAT SEEMED TO CHANGE
THE CONVERSATION IN A RATHER
DRAMATIC WAY.
I REMEMBER THERE'S A NOVEL
CALLED "THE SAFETY NET" HE
WROTE IN THE EARLY 80s NWHICH
A, NEWSPAPER BOSS IS
THREATENED BY A TERRORIST
GROUP AND HAS TO RECEIVE
MAXIMUM SECURITY PROTECTION OF
THE SORT I GOT TO KNOW RATHER
WELL. WHAT HAPPENS IN THE
NOVEL.
IS THE MAXIMUM SECURITY
EFFECTIVELY DESTROYS HIS
FAMILY.

Tina says THE THING MEANT TO
SAVE HIM.
THIS IS THE DANGER,
YOU SAY WE CAN'T BECOME THE
ARMOUR WE PUT ON.

Salmon says I THINK THIS IS GOING TO
BECOMING A BIGGER AND BIGGER
SUBJECTS.
IN THE COUNTRIES OF THE SO
CALLED FREE WORLD.
ARE WE GOING TO BECOMING THE
ARMOUR WE PUT ON.
IN WHICH CASE WE STOP BECOMING
THE THING WE ARE PROTECTING.
I THINK THAT PARADOX IS THE
TEST.

Tina says YOU ALSO SAY IN ONE
OF YOUR ESSAYS.
IT IS AN INTERESTING THING,
YOU PERSONALLY AND ALL OF US
NOW HAVE TO DECIDE NOT ONLY
WHAT WE'RE AGAINST.
THAT IS EASY WE'RE AGAINST THE
BAD GUY, BUT WHAT WE'RE FOR.
WHAT AUTO WE TO BE FOR?

Salmon says AGAIN, IT IS NOTHING
COMPLICATED.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THESE
FEW COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD
WHICH HAVE THE GOOD FORTUNE
BEING FREE AND OPEN SOCIETIES,
IT IS THAT LIFE IT IS THE
ABILITY TO LIVE IN THAT WAY
AND MAKE THOSE CHOICES.
I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE
GREAT ISSUES.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND
UNIVERSAL AND ADULT SUFFRAGE.
AND THE CONSTITUTION THAT
SAFEGUARDS CIVIL LIBERTIES.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE
PLEASURE OF LIFE IN A FREE
SOCIETY.

Tina says YOU MAKE A GREAT
LIST.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT SHORT SKIRTS AND DANCING.

Salmon says SHORT SKIRTS AND DANCING
AND RUDE SONGS.
THE PLEASURE OF LIFE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE ALWAYS
REALLY ADMIRED IN THE UNITED
STATES IS THIS IS A COUNTRY
WHICH DECLARES INDEPENDENCE BY
SAYING ITS CITIZENS HAVE THE
RIGHT TO THE PURSUIT OF
HAPPINESS.
THERE ISN'T ANOTHER COUNTRY IN
THE WORLD WHICH DECLARES
INDEPENDENCE ON THE BASIS THAT
PEOPLE SHOULD BE HAPPY.

Tina says WHAT IS THE WRITER'S ROLE.
WORLD CALL IT A POSTFRONTIER
WORLD.
WHAT IS THE WRITER'S
ROLE IN THIS WORLD?

Salmon says I HAVE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT
SAYING WRITERS HAVE A ROLE?

Tina says YOU DO THINK WRITERS SHOULD
BE POLITICLY ENGAGED.

Salmon says WRITERS LIKE ME.
THAT'S TEMPERAMENTAL HOW I
FELT.
I THINK IT IS THE GAVEL OF
WRITER.
YOU DO IT BY YOURSELF AND MORE
OR LESS FOR YOURSELF.
AND THEN YOU OFFER IT.
AND IF PEOPLE DON'T FIND IT
USEFUL, YOU HAVE NO ONE TO
BLAME BUT YOURSELF.

Tina says THERE'S A GREAT LINE ABOUT
HOW WRITERS MUST NOT BE
NATIONALIST.
THE NATION REQUIRES ANTHEMS
FLAGS, THE POET OFFICE DISCORD
RAGS.

Salmon says I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW
WHEN THEY READ ABOUT A
CHARACTER IN MY BOOK, WHETHER
I'M NOT THAT CHARACTER'S SIDE
OR NOT.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT
EASY.
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO REALLY
BE CAREFUL.
THAT'S WHY IT IS SO DANGEROUS
TO PUBLIC A BOOK OF OPINIONS.
IN A WAY IT SLIGHTLY GIVES THE
GAME AWAY.

Tina says YES, THEY'RE JUST HANGING
OUT.

Salmon says PEOPLE COULD SAY YEAH, BUT
YOU THINK THIS.

Tina says CERTAINLY A WRITER LIKE
YOU.
THERE'S A SENSE THOUGH, THAT
WRITERS HAVE TO -- HAVE TO BE
TROUBLEMAKERS.
YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE BORDERS OR LINES AND
CROSSING OVER, THERE'S A
NATURAL FRICTION WHEN YOU
COME UP AGAINST IT.

Salmon says THERE'S A BRIEF -- THERE'S A
PARAGRAPH CALLED
THE DEAN'S DECEMBER IN WHICH
THE MAIN CHARACTER HAS GONE
WITH HIS REMAINING WIFE.
WINTER IS BLEAK.
HE IS STANDING AT THIS WINDOW
WITH TREES AND NO LEAFS.
IT IS GENERALLY SOVIET.
AND -- HE HEARS IN THE
DISTANCE, A DOG BARKING
NONSTOP.
AND BEING A MELLOW CHARACTER.
HE BEGINS TO IMAGINE THAT THE
DOG IS BARKING ABOUT THE
LIMITATIONS OF DOG EXISTENCE. THAT THE DOG'S BARKING IS
PROTESTING ABOUT THE
LIMITATIONS.
HE SAYS -- HE SAID, THE DEAN
CHORD SAYS HE IMAGINES ABOUT
WHAT THE DOG IS SAYING IS FOR
GOD'S SAKE OPEN THE UNIVERSE A
LITTLE MORE.
IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PHRASE "THE
UNIVERSE A LITTLE MORE" THERE
THE THING THE WRITERS HAVE TO
DO.
THAT'S WHY WRITERS GO TO THE
EDGE AND PUSH.

Tina says THIS BOOK OF ESSAYS
IS WONDERFUL.
DO YOU FEEL THERE ARE BORDERS
LEFT TO CROSS?

Salmon says EVERY BOOK, YOU KNOW.
EVERY BOOK IS AN UNDISCOVERED
COUNTRY.
IT DOESN'T GET EASIER TO GET
INTO THEM.

Tina says THANK YOU SO MUCH.
"STEP ACROSS THIS LINE" BY
SALMAN RUSHDIE.
THAT'S THE END OF THE LINE FOR
"IMPRINTS." COME BACK NEXT
WEEK FOR MORE HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE WORLD OF BOOKS.

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