Transcript: Kids And Drugs, Planet Parent clip | Mar 06, 2002

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A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Life. Words spin against a red and orange background: Health, Family, Home, Money, Fitness, Life. Fast clips show images related to the previous concepts, such as a dollar bill, a wheat field, and strands of DNA.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Mary Ito sits in a studio with textured yellow walls and the logo of the show in the background, which reads "More to life."

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a gray pinstripe blazer and a pendant necklace.

Mary says HELLO. I'M MARY ITO. WELCOME TO MORE TO LIFE. AS KIDS GROW UP, PARENTS OFTEN FEEL LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP. BUT WITH INDEPENDENCE CAN COME EXPERIMENT ASIAN WITH DANGEROUS DRUGS. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THE THINGS YOUR TEEN THINKS ARE COOL CAN BE DANGEROUS FOR THEM? HOW DO YOU BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT DRUGS? WE HAVE TWO GUESTS HERE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES. DETECTIVE IAN BRIGGS OF THE TORONTO DRUG SQUAD AND BEVERLEY CATHCART-ROSS OF THE PARENT EDUCATION NETWORK.

Ian is in his forties, with long gray hair and a goatee. He's wearing a black suit, gray shirt and checkered gray tie.
Beverley is in her late forties, with short wavy brown hair. She's wearing a pink sweater.

Mary continues IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHICH DANGEROUS SUBSTANCES ARE OUT ON THE STREETS AND HOW TO TALK ABOUT DRUGS WITH YOUR CHILDREN, GIVE US A CALL.

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary says THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. THE FIRST QUESTION, PARENTS WANT TO KNOW HOW PREVALENT ARE DRUGS OUT THERE TODAY?

The caption changes to "Detective Ian Briggs. Toronto Drug Squad."

Ian says I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY DRUGS ARE ANYMORE PREVALENT THAN THEY WERE WHEN PARENTS WERE CHILDREN THEMSELVES. I THINK THE NATURE OF THE DRUGS HAVE CHANGED VERY MUCH. SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AT 43 YEARS OF AGE, I GREW UP IN A GENERATION THAT EXPERIMENTED WITH MARIJUANA DRUGS. NOW WE SEE COCAINE IN HIGH SCHOOLS. WE SEE MDMA, ECSTASY, GHB, WHICH TO ME WHEN I WAS RAISED WE DIDN'T SEE THAT KIND OF THING.

Mary says SO HARDER DRUGS? MAYBE THE USAGE IS THE SAME BUT MORE DANGEROUS DRUGS?

Ian says YES. ESPECIALLY THE ECSTASY IS A GREAT CONCERN.

Mary says BEVERLEY YOU TEACH PARENTING CLASSES. WHAT ARE PARENTS SAYING TO YOU ABOUT THIS?

The caption changes to "Beverley Cathcart-Ross. Parent Education Network."

Beverley says I GUESS THERE ARE TWO KERNTS. THERE ARE PARENTS WHO HAVE CHILDREN ALREADY INVOLVED OR THE PARENTS THAT DON'T HAVE CHILDREN INVOLVED BUT WANT TO HELP THEIR KIDS SAY NO WHEN THE TIME COMES. THOSE ARE THE TWO MAIN ISSUES THAT I SEE.

Mary says YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MORE DANGEROUS DRUGS USED TODAY. WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE TOP ONE, THE MOST POPULAR ONE THAT KIDS ARE USING?

Ian says ECSTASY IS A GREAT CONCERN FOR US BECAUSE OF THE HARM, THE POSSIBILITY OF HARM. IF A CHILD IS INVOLVED WITH MARIJUANA, IT LOOKS LIKE MARIJUANA, SMELLS LIKE MARIJUANA, YOU LIGHT IT UP IT IS MARIJUANA.

Mary says WE HAVE A SHOT HERE OF ECSTASY. HOW TYPICAL WOULD THOSE PILLS BE?

A picture shows two round, pale blue pills with the caption "MDMA." One of the pills has an Egyptian cross engraved onto it.
Other pictures of similar pills with different symbols and words flash by.

Ian says ECSTASY COMES IN DIFFERENT COLORS. UNFORTUNATELY EITHER/OR GANIZED CRIME THAT ARE PRODUCING ECSTASY. ITS A CHEMICAL REACTION TO PRODUCE MDMA. PEOPLE INVOLVED ARE CRIMINAL, THEY USE WHATEVER CHEMICALS AVAILABLE. WHAT MAY HAVE A BUTTERFLY ON IT ONE WEEK MAY APPEAR THE NEXT WEEK AN IT COULD BE SOMETHING DANGEROUS. WE ARE SEEING PPMA, A DRUG THAT CAN CAUSE A YOUNGSTER'S INTERNAL CORE TO HEAT UP AND PRODUCE REALLY VIOLENT SIDE EFFECTS THAT CAN'T BE IDENTIFIED STRAIGHT AWAY AT A HOSPITAL.

Mary says NOW, DO THE MAKERS OF THE DRUGS, DO THEY PUT THE BUTTERFLY, THERE WAS A HEART, ANOTHER HAD LOVE, TO MAKE IT... THEY LOOK LIKE CANDY.

Ian says YES. YES. SADLY, THAT IS TRUE. WE SEE CARTOON CHARACTERS. WE HAVE SEEN THE WARNER BROTHERS INIG NINA. THEY DO THINGS TO MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE.

Mary says SO ECSTASY IS UP THERE. WHAT ABOUT THE DATE RAPE DRUG?

A picture shows two glass vials containing a clear liquid, next to a bit of white powder.

Ian says GHB. GHB IS ONE OF THE DRUGS. HERE WE SEE IT. IT COMES IN LIQUID FORM AND IN POWDER. IT WAS ORIGINALLY INVENTED AS A ANESTHETIC. IT WAS POPULAR WITH BODY BUILDERS IN CALIFORNIA. THEN ITS BEEN BANNED HERE IN THE AND IN THE UNITED STATES. THE EFFECT THAT IT GIVES IS VERY DANGEROUS IN THAT IF A YOUNGSTER OR ANY PERSON IS TO CONSUME TOO MUCH OF IT, THEY LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE. SO WHEN THEY GO INTO BREATHING PROBLEMS OR A MEDICAL CONDITION, THEY ARRIVE AT THE HOSPITAL AND THEY CAN'T COMMUNICATE WITH THE CARE GIVERS AT THE HOSPITAL TO SAY THIS IS WHAT I DID OR WHAT I TOOK. OFTEN TIMES THERE ARE NO PEOPLE THERE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.

Mary says I HAVE HEARD OF A DRUG CALLED SPECIAL K. TELL ME ABOUT THAT.

Ian says SPECIAL KET IS AN ANESTHETIC, USED BY DOCTORS. USED A LOT MY VET NAIR YANS... VETERINARIANS. TOO MUCH CAUSES VIOLENT REACTIONS IN THE HUMAN BODY, RESPIRATORY FAILURE, HEART FAILURE.

Mary says HOW POPULAR IS THAT?

Ian says ITS NOT AS POPULAR AS GHB AND ecstasy. AS FR AS THE HOSPITALS ARE CONCERNED, A LOT OF OVERDOSES ARE IN RELATION TO THE NEW POPULAR DRUGS GLB A BIG ONE.

Mary says BEVERLEY, ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT THESE DRUGS FROM PARENTS?

Beverley says NOT MANY PARENTS ARE WELL INFORMED. PARENTS CANNOT PLAY OS RICH WITH CHILDREN. WE CAN GET AWFULLY FEARFUL LISTENING TO THIS KINDS OF DISCUSSION. AS PARENTS WE DON'T WANT TO BE FEARFUL. WE WANT TO HELP OUR CHILDREN BE WELL INFORMED, BE CAUTIOUS, TO USE GOOD JUDGMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO LETTING THIS MAKE US FEARFUL, MOST PARENTS WANT TO CONTROL THEIR CHILDREN'S LIFE, CLAMP DOWN, BE BACK IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT OF THEIR CHIL'S LIFE. THIS IS MORE RISK E BECAUSE IT CAN SEND A CHILD UNDER GROUND, NOT WILLING TO TALK OR SHARE WITH THEIR PARENT. OR IT CAN CREATE REBELL YON AND YOU HAVE NO INFLUENCE THEN. FLEER IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BE CARELE HERE. PARENT NEED TO BE INFORMED AND CAUTIOUS, FEARFUL.

Mary says YOU CAN HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND BE FEARFUL AND HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND BE POWERFUL.

Beverley says EXACTLY.

Mary says RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER SOME OF THESE DRUGS AND TALK ABOUT THE SYMPTOMS THAT RESULT FROM THEM. MAYBE YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. THE FIRST ONE, GHB. LET'S BRING UP GRAPHICS HERE AND LOOK AT THE SYMPTOMS OF GHB USE. AND THAT WOULD BE. NAUSEA.

Ian says YES. NAUSEA IS SOMETHING THAT WE SEE IN GHB AND IN ECSTASY. ITS USUALLY AN INDICATOR OF HEADING TOWARDS AN OVERDOSE. SOME OF THE DIFFICULT DRUNKEN BEHAVIOR IN THAT THE PERSON MAY SLUR THEIR WORDS, INABILITY TO STAND UP PROPERLY. LOW INHI BIGS IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAY IS THE AT TRACTION TO ECSTASY. PEOPLE ARE LOVING

Mary says YOU MEAN GHB.

Ian says YEAH. SORRY. BUT ALSO WITH EXTRA SI. ALL OF THESE DRUGS. THEY DANCE TOGETHER, LAUGH TAGT, TOUCH EACH OTHER.

Mary says WHAT INTRIGUED ME ABOUT GHB IS THAT IF A GIRL WERE TO BE GIVEN THE DRUG, THEY HAVE THIS LOW INHI BIGS, THEY HAVE A KIND OF EUPHORIC STATE. SO THE GIRL COULD BE LEAD AWAY WITH A STRANGER.

Ian says YES, YES, YES.

Mary says THE TIMING KICKS IN, AFTER THAT SHE COULD BE IN A STATE OF UNCONSCIOUSNESS.

Ian says YES. THIS BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT. THERE ARE DRUGS OUT THERE WHICH CAUSE ALMOST AN AMNESIA. THEY FORGET WHAT HAPPENED. THAT IS WHERE YOU GET THE EXPRESSIONS DATE RAPE DRUGS.

Mary says LET'S LOOK AT SPECIAL K NOW. LET'S LOOK AT THE SYMPTOMS.

Ian says A GLASS E-EYED STARE. SIMILAR TO GHB. THE QUALITIED FEELING. THE THE HAPPY FEELING. AGAIN, DISORIENTATION. SLURRED WORDS. ODD SPEECH PATTERNS.

Mary says FINALLY LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT ECSTASY NOW AND THE SYMPTOMS OF ECSTASY USE.

Ian says FEVER ISSUE. FEVERS SHOW UP IN SOMEONE WHO IS HEADING TOWARDS AN OVERDOSE. PEOPLE... THE AT TRACTION OF EXTRA SI SEEMS TO BE AMONG THE RAVE CROWD OR INDUSTRIAL DANCE MUSIC. SO A PERSON COULD DANCE FOR FIVE HOURS AND THAT WOULD CAUSE ANY OF US TO SHOW THE APPEARANCES OF HAVING FEVER. SO ITS IMPORTANT TO TAKE LIQUIDES ON ANY EXERCISE. IF THEY ARE NOT CONSUMING LIQUIDS USING THESE DRUGS, YOU SEE THE FEVER.

Mary says REACTION.

Ian says THANK YOU.

Mary says NOW THE WEIGHT LOSS.

Ian says WEIGHT LOSS IS SOMETHING, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT IT OTHER THAN PEOPLE THAT START TO USE DRUGS ABUSE DRUGS ON A REGULAR BASIS, ECSTASY AND GHB, THEY BECOME CONSUMED BY THE DRUG SO THEY LOSE INTEREST IN THE SIMPLE THINGS, SUCH AS EATING.
AGAIN THE EUPHORIC BEHAVIOR.

Mary says YES. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND WHEN USERS TAKE ECSTASY, THE YOU FOR YEAH... THE EUPHORIC FEELING GOES ON AND ON SO THEY CAN KEEP DANCING PARTYING,.

Ian says YES, FOUR, FIVE SIX HOURS.

Mary says I WILL REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STREET DRUGS TODAY. HOW TO ARM YOUR KIDS WITH INFORMATION THEY NEED TO KNOW, HOW TO TALK TO YOUR KIDS.

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Mary says BEVERLEY, WHEN YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION AS A PARENT, THESE ARE THE DRUGS, THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE ABLE, THESE ARE THE SYMPTOMS, WHEN DO YOU START TALKING TO YOUR KIDS?

Beverley says YOU WANT TO START YOUNG TODAY. 10 AND 11-YEAR-OLDS NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS COMING IN THEIR NEAR FUTURE. CIGARETTES IS A NATURAL ENTRY INTO TESTING AND EXPERIMENTING WITH SUBSTANCES. I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE A BEGINNING PLACE FOR PARENTS, 10 AND 11. THIS IS COMING UP, YOU MIGHT HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE PARENTS THAT SMOKE OR SIBLINGS THAT SMOKE AND BRING CIGARETTES TO SCHOOL OR TO A PARTY AND TRY TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE THE SMOKE WITH THEM.

Mary says THAT IS INTERESTING THAT YOU BRING THAT UP. WE HAD A PERSON IN TALKING ABOUT DRUG ABUSE. HE SAID THIS NOT BASED ON NUMBERS. BUT HE SAID THAT AS FAR AS THE DRUG USERS THAT HE KNEW, HE SPEAKS TO DRUG USERS A LOT, THAT THERE WAS A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE DRUG USE AND SMOKING; THAT ALMOST ALL OF THEM ALSO SMOKE CIGARETTES OR HAD STARTED SMOKING CIGARETTES. HE FELT THAT WAS A BEGINNING POINT THAT LEADS ON TO OTHER FORMS OF DRUGS. ANY DATA ON THAT?

Ian says NO, NO, I DON'T KNOW. I NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE.

Beverley says I THINK WHAT CAN HAPPEN IS THE RESISTANCE STARTS TO BREAKDOWN. I'M ALREADY BREAKING THE RULES HAVING A CIGARETTE. I'M DOING IT QUIETLY BEHIND THE SCENES. MY PARENTS DON'T KNOW. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS IT THAT MOTIVATES A CHILD TO PARTICIPATE IN SUBSTANCES, WHETHER ALCOHOL, DRUGS, TOBACCO. THERE COULD BE A NUMBER OF REASONS. ONE COULD BE THEY COULD BE MORE BUY LOGICALLY PREDISPOSED TO BEING ATTRACTED TO DRUGS. IS THERE ADDICTION IN THE FAMILY? IS THERE ALCOHOLISM IN THE FAMILY? ARE THERE SMOKERS? IF A CHILD COMES FROM A FAMILY LIKE THAT, THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE IF CHILD WILL ALSO. ITS IMPORTANT TO PREPARE THEM AND SAY LOOK-IT, ADDICTION IS SOMETHING WE STRUGGLE WITH IN THIS FAMILY. YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO BE EXPERIMENTING. OTHER MOTOR VAI TORS, WHETHER PRESSURE, DEPRESSION WHEN CHILDREN ARE GOING THROUGH BODY CHANGES, BEING REJECTED BY LARGE PORTIONS OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND PIER GROUPS, THEY MIGHT TURN TO DRUGS FOR COMFORT. A NUMBER OF THE ONES WE HAVE TALK ABOUT, THE FEELINGS THEY FEEL, THEY MAY THINK THEY ARE MORE EXCITING, MORE INTERESTING WHEN THEY ARE ON DRUGS. MAYBE IF THEY ARE SHY, THIS HELPS BRING THEM OUT. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE PURPOSE BEHIND THE BEHAVIOR.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT... GENETICS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER. THE CHILD'S PERSONALITY, WE CAN'T CONTROL EITHER. WHAT ABOUT Z ON THE PARENTS PART AS FAR AS WHAT THE PARENTS ARE DOING AND THE ENVIRONMENT THEY ARE CREATING AT HOME?

Beverley says THAT CAN START AT GROUND ZERO. WE CAN START SAYING FROM THE TIME THEY ARE SMALL, I WANT MY CHILD TO BE AN INDEPENDENT THINKER, BE ABLE TO SAY NO TO OTHERS WHEN THEY DON'T FEEL ITS APPROPRIATE. THAT DOESN'T COME OUT OF THIN AIR. THAT COMES FROM PREPARATION AND YEARS OF WORKING WITH YOUR CHILDREN, CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY HAVE A VOICE AND A SAY, WHERE THEY FEEL VALUED, FEEL WORTHWHILE. THEY ARE ENCOURAGED AND THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A SENSE OF INTERNAL VALUATION. ITS NOT JUST WHAT OTHERS SAY THAT IS IMPORTANT, ITS WHAT I THINK. PARENT NEED TO BE ENCOURAGING THAT, ENCOURAGING THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CHILD, TO BE OPEN AND HAVE GOOD COMMUNICATION. SO ITS A LOT OF WORK.

Mary says UH-HUH.
BEVERLEY SAYS AT 10 OR 11 TALK TO GO THE KIDS ABOUT DRUGS. MOST COMMONLY WHEN WOULD CHILDREN BE GETTING THEIR FIRST EXPOSURE TO DRUGS?

Ian says I HAVE TO AGREE 10 AND 11 IS IT. AS SOON AS CHILDREN START LISTENING TO MUSIC, THERE IS A LOT OF TERMS ABOUT DRUGS WITHIN MUSIC. ITS IMPORTANT TO TALK TO THEM THEN. THE OLDER SIBLINGS, MY 11-YEAR-OLD KNOWS MORE THAN MY 15-YEAR-OLD DID AT THE AGE. SO THE INFORMATION IS COMING IN THE BACK DOOR THERE. ITS IMPORTANT TO GET A DISCUSSION ON DRUGS GOING EARLY.

Mary says OKAY. LET'S TAKE A CALL NOW. WE HAVE TONYA ON THE LINE. HI. HI?

The Caller says YES. HI. I WAS WONDERING ME AND MY FRIENDS PARTY AT CLUBS A LOT. SOMETIMES THERE IS ECSTASY AROUND. I HAVE WATCHED PEOPLE TAKE AT LEAST SEVEN OR EIGHT PILLS IN A NIGHT AND THEY GET HIGH BUT THEY ARE COLD AND SWEATING. I AM WONDERING IF THERE IS AN OVERDOSE LIMIT?

Mary says TONYA, ARE YOU THERE? I'M CURIOUS, HOW OLD ARE YOU?

The Caller says 21.

Ian says AGAIN, TONYA, THAT WOULD BE HARD TO SAY. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE QUANTITY IS IN EACH PILL. ITS WHEN IT WAS MANUFACTURED, MANUFACTURED UNDER VERY POOR CONDITIONS. IF YOU BUY AN ALLERGY PILL YOU KNOW THERE IS SO MUCH OF THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT. THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT MAY NOT BE WHAT YOU THINK IT IS. IT MAY NOT BE THE QUANTITY YOU THINK IT IS. SO YOU CAN'T SAY ONE PILL THIS TIME AND FIVE THE NEXT TIME. THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW.

The caption changes to "Today's topic: Kids and drugs."

Mary says THAT IS WHAT IS SCARY. FIRST YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF THE DRUGS THEMSELVES, WHICH ARE DANGEROUS. THEN ONCE YOU GET THE DRUGS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN IT. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WILL REACT.

Beverley says YES.

Ian says ITS VERY VERY FRIGHTENING. A YOUNGSTER KNOWS WHAT MARIJUANA LOOKS LIKE. YOU CAN SEE ITS MARIJUANA. WHEN THEY START TO LOOK AT PILLS APDZ JUST GUESS WHAT IT MAY BE, THAT DOES BECOME DANGEROUS. IT COMES DOWN TO EDUCATION ABOUT THESE THINGS, MAKING THE CHOICES.

Mary says TONYA ARE YOU THERE?

The Caller says YES.

Mary says I'M CURIOUS, WHY DO YOUR FRIENDS TAKE ECSTASY?

The Caller says PRIMARILY TO STAY AWAKE AND DANCE ALL NIGHT AT THE CLUBS, HAVE A GOOD TIME, GET ALONG, MEET PEOPLE, SOCIALIZE.

Mary says HAVE ANY OF YOUR FRIENDS EVER SUFFERED A BAD REACTION FROM THE DRUG?

The Caller says SIDE EFFECTS THE NEXT DAY PRIMARILY, LIKE STOMACH CRAMPS, SPACED FEELING.

Mary says WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT LONG TERM EFFECTS OF ECSTASY?

Ian says WE ARE JUST STARTED TO SEE STUDIES. THERE IS A GOOD WEBSITE, NIDA. WE ARE SEEING STUDIES. TONYA SHOULD KNOW THIS, THEY HAVE BEEN GIVING MONKEYS ECSTASY FOR SEVEN YEARS AND THEY HAVE GOT THE BRAINS OF THE MONKEYS, DOING SCANS. THEY ARE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THERE IS A CHEMICAL CHANGE IN THE BRAIN STRUCTURE AFTER PROLONGED USE OF ECSTASY.

Mary says ALSO I'M WONDERING HOW ARE KIDS GETTING THE DRUG TOS DAY?

Ian says ITS THE SAME OLD WAY. THEY KNOW SOMEONE, SOMEONE IN THE SCHOOL OR A FRIEND OF A FRIEND. THERE IS SOMEONE WHO... DRUGS BASICALLY IS ABOUT MONEY. SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A PROFIT. A PILL OF ECSTASY... TONYA MAY HELP US... GOES FROM 20 TO 40 DOLLARS, DEPENDING ON THE VENUE HERE IN TORONTO.

Mary says PER PILL? 0 TO 40 DOLLARS?

Ian says YES.

Mary says SO SOME OF THE FRIENDS TAKING SEVEN PILLS A NIGHT. THAT IS 140 DOLLARS, UPWARDS.

Ian says YEAH. TONYA, YOU PROBABLY KNOW BETTER. SEVEN PILLS... ONE PILL OF TRUE ECSTASY THROUGH RESEARCH WE KNOW GIVES A EUPHORIC STATE FOR THREE TO FOUR HOURS. IT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT. THE DANGER AGAIN FOR PARENTS IS WHEN CHILDREN TAKE... ITS CALLED STACKING. THEY TAKE SEVERAL PILLS. THEY TAKE A THIRD, A FOURTH. THEY MAY BE TAKING A DRUG SUCH AS PPM. A WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO MDMA, WHICH IS EXTRA SI, ITS JUST AT THE VERY END, THE CHEMIST... BACKWOODS CHEMIST DIDN'T HAVE WHAT HE NEEDED AND MADE SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS DRUG THAT SHOWS NO EFFECT UNTIL SEVERAL PILLS HAVE BEEN TAKEN. THEN THE INDIVIDUAL GOES INTO A HUGE DIFFICULTY AND CAN DIE.

Mary says TONYA, DO THESE PRICES SOUND IN LINE?

The Caller says YEAH. ACTUALLY ITS ABOUT 15 TO 0 DOLLARS EACH DOWN HERE. LIKE IF YOU BUY SEVEN OR MORE PILLS A NIGHT, QUANTITY IS CHEAPER.

Mary says OKAY. SAME WAY IN RETAIL.

Ian says EXACTLY.

Mary says YEAH. IS THE MONEY AN ISSUE AT ALL WITH YOUR FRIENDS?

The Caller says OH YES, DEFINITELY.

Mary says HOW ARE THEY FUNDING THIS? WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM?

The Caller says ALL MY FRIENDS HAVE JOBS, ARE GOING TO SCHOOL AND THEY SUPPORT THEMSELVES BY WORK PRETTY MUCH.

Mary says ARE YOUR FRIENDS CONCERNED AT ALL ABOUT THE DANGERS IN THESE DRUGS?

The Caller says I DON'T THINK ANY OF MY FRIENDS PLAN TO TAKE ECSTASY FOR TOO LONG. I'M SURE THEY ARE ALL GOING TO QUIT... I DON'T KNOW.

Beverley says ITS A LIFE STYLE CHOICE. THEY MOVE OUT OF THESE THINGS.

Mary says HOW EASY IS IT TO MOVE OUT OF THIS?

Beverley says ITS MY RESEARCH HAS SHOWN KIDS MOVE ON TO OTHER THINGS? I HAVE AHEAD ECSTASY ISN'T AS ADDICTIVE AS OTHER DRUGS.

Ian says ITS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. THERE IS... THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DATA TO SHOW THAT ECSTASY IS ADDICTIVE AT THIS POINT BUT THEY ARE STARTING TO SEE IT WITH MONKEYS, HOW THEY SHOW... HOW THEY SHOW AN ADDICTIVE NATURE. THE MONKEY WANTS THE DRUG OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO THEY ARE STARTING TO LOOK INTO THAT BUT THERE IS NO ANSWER.

Mary says OKAY.

Ian says THAT I'M AWARE OF.

Beverley says YES. THAT IS THE INFORMATION I HAVE TOO.

Mary says LET'S GO TO PAT ON THE LINE. HI.

The Caller says HI. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE DOING A SHOW ON THIS. I'M THIL THRILLED. I AM A PROFESSIONAL CRITICAL CARE REGISTERED NURSE. I HAVE CHILDREN AGES... ONE IS GRADE EIGHT AND ONE IS O AC. OUR DAUGHTER... WELL... HER HISTORY STARTED WITH DRUGS... SHE WAS NOT DOG ALCOHOL LIKE HER FRIENDS IN GRADE EIGHT AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL DURING THE LUNCH HOUR. I FELT GREAT SHE HAD CONFIDED IN ME. SHE STARTED... SMOKING CIGARETTES... THAT PROGRESSED TO MARIJUANA. WE JUMPED ON HER, DON'T LET HER OUT, TAKE AWAY HER BANK ACCOUNT, HOLD ON TO EVERYTHING... HOPING WE WOULD EDUCATE THE FAMILY, GET HER INTO THE GP. THAT HAPPENED. WE [INAUDIBLE] HER MARKS CAME BACK. WE HAD INFORMATION ON EVERYBODY WHO WAS ABUSING DRUGS AT THE SCHOOL, WHO WAS SELLING IT. I DIDN'T GO FORWARD WITH THIS... I'M TALKING ABOUT ITS A BUSINESS. I DIDN'T WHAT HE WILLLY WANT... I WANTED TO SAVE MY DAUGHTER. I FIND SHE USES ALCOHOL AND MARNL NOW AS SOCIAL EVENTS, YOU KNOW PARTY ON THE WEEKENDS. TYPICAL, NORMAL TALENTED, I HAVE TO SAY, ABSOLUTELY NO... WE HAVE A... SHE HAS A PATH AND WE ARE BEHIND HER A HUNDRED PERCENT. WE KNOW WHERE SHE IS GOING TO END UP IN SEPTEMBER WITH UNIVERSITY. SHE IS HANGING ON BUT HER BROTHER... AN ALCOHOLIC AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. THIS WAS BROUGHT UP. IT WAS LAST WEEK I FOUND OUT THAT MY SON HAS BEEN SMOKING POT IN GRADE EIGHT. I ALSO FOUND OUT THAT THE KIDS USE THE TERM NOT WHO SELLS... NOT A NICKEL OR DIME BAG BUT THEY CALL THE KIDS FARMERS. THESE ARE THE KIDS I THINK THEY SHOULD LOOK FOR. THE FARMERS APPARENTLY... THE TURN OVER IN DOLLARS IS INCREDIBLE. ANOTHER THING IS I WANTED TO SAY TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY OUT THERE UNDERSTANDS WE ARE PRETTY GOOD PEOPLE. WE ARE A TIGHT FAMILY. IT EFFECTS... WE'RE IN A NICE AREA. IT EFFECTS SO MANY KIDS FROM A TO Z. ITS ALMOST LIKE THERE IS NO BORDER. I'M WONDERING ABOUT, CAN YOU [INAUDIBLE] HOW CAN THEY... WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THEIR PUBLIC ACTS AND STUFF LIKE THIS, HOW DO THEY SEARCH LOCKERS? HOW DOES THAT WORK? HOW DO YOU PRO TECH YOUR FAMILY WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO FACE THIS?

Mary says PAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CALL AND SHARING YOUR STORY WITH US. SHE HAS BROUGHT UP A LOT OF ISSUES. LET'S ADDRESS THE LAST ONE. SO SOMEONE HAS INFORMATION AND THEY WANT TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS. IS THERE SOMETHING THEY CAN DO?

Ian says ABSOLUTELY. THEY CAN CALL CRIMESTOPPERS. OR THEY CAN DO SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS PHONE THEIR LOCAL POLICE SERVICE AND SAY I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE FWH THE DRUG SQUAD AND EXPLAIN TO THE SUPERVISOR THE SITUATION AND SAY THEY WANT TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS BUT THEY ARE A CONCERNED PARENT AND THEY BELIEVE SOMETHING IS GOING ON AND GIVE THE FACTS. THEN THAT SUPERVISOR CAN DECIDE AT THAT POINT IS IT AN ENFORCE M ACTION? DO THEY NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICER, THE SCHOOL WATCH OFFICER?

Mary says BEVERLEY, YOU HEARD HER STORY WITH HER DAUGHTER AND HOW THE PARENTS MOVED IN ONCE THEY RECOGNIZED THE PROBLEM, THE BANK ACCOUNT TAKEN AWAY. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THEY WERE EXTREMELY ACTIVE. WHAT DO YOU SAY WHEN A PARENT FINDS OUT THEIR DAUGHTER IS TAKING DRUGS?

Beverley says THERE IS A RANGE OF INTERVENTION... PARENTS HAVE TO MAKE THOSE CALLS FOR THEMSELVES. THEY ARE IN THE TRENCHES. THEY HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS QUICKLY. BUT YOU HAVE TO ASSESS HOW FAR ALONG THIS IS. IS THE CHILD DEPENDENT? IS THIS DAILY OR SOCIALLY ON THE WEEKENDS? ITS SOCIALLY ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU WOULD WANT YOUR CHILD TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION, PART OF THE DECISION, FINDINGS OUT WHY YOUR CHILD IS ENJOYING THIS ACTIVITY, WHAT DO THEY GET OUT OF THIS? IS THE CHILD HAVING PROBLEMS? DO WE NEED TO CALL IN HELP? DO THEY NEED TO TALK TO SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE PARENTS? THERE ARE GOOD ORGANIZATION OUTS THERE. THERE IS ONE IN TORONTO CALLED YOUTH SERVICES THAT ARE VERY ACTIVE IN THE WHO ELSE. A LOT OF TEACHERS AN COUNSELORS AND PARENTS CAN TAP INTO THAT RESOURCE. SO, YES, AT SOME POINT YOU MIGHT FEEL ITS TIME TO TAKE AWAY THE CAR KEYS AND SEIZE THEIR SPENDING MONEY IF YOU FEEL ITS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION. I DON'T THINK ANY PARENT WOULD HESITATE WHEN THEY THINK ITS LIFE-THREATENING TO TAKE AS MUCH CONTROL AS THEY CAN.

Mary says FOR MANY PARENTS I THINK JUST THE FACT... WHETHER ITS SOCIALLY ON THE WEEKENDS OR NOT, WHEN YOU DISCOVER YOUR CHIL IS TAKING DRUGS, I THINK THE IMPULSE IS TO GET ON IT. MAYBE THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING. THE APPROACH IS LEVEL HEADED, FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON, WHY IS THE CHILD DOING THIS? OUR IMPULSE MAY BE TO OVERACT.

Ian says YOU WANT TO KEEP AN INFLUENCE IN THEIR LIFE, SO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, CHILDREN ARE MAKING DECISIONS FOR REASONS VERY DIFFERENT TO WHAT WE WOULD IMAGINE PERHAPS. WE NEED TO GET INTO THEIR MIND A LITTLE AND UNDERSTAND. THE ONLY WAY TO UNDERSTAND IS IF YOU LISTEN, IF YOU LET JUDGMENT GO. NOT JUNL THEM, NOT JUNL THEIR FRIENDS. LISTEN, PARTICIPATE, ENCOURAGE THEM TO SHARE WITH YOU. I HAVE A FAMILY THAT HAD A DAUGHTER THAT WANTED TO GO TO RAVES. SHE WAS 14 OR 15. THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY AGAINST IT, OF COURSE. SHE CAME TO THEM ONE DAY AND SAID LOOK-IT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CLOSE. I AM CURIOUS AND I WANT TO DO THIS. I COULD LIE TO YOU LIKE MY FRIENDS DO AND JUST PRE TENDS I AM STAYING AT MY GIRLFRIENDS AND WE SNEAK OUT AND GO AND YOU WILL NEVER KNOW. OR I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT AND WE CAN AGREE ON THIS TOGETHER. SO THE PARENTS WERE A LITTLE [INAUDIBLE].

Mary says THANKS FOR TELLING ME, PLEASE, DON'T TELL ME, YOU KNOW. ITS MIXED BLESSING.

Beverley says IT IS. WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO WHICH WAS WISE, THEY SAID WE ARE IN SHOCK RIGHT NOW SO I THINK WE NEED TIME TO ADJUST TO THIS REQUEST AND THINK ABOUT THIS. WE WILL MEET IN A COUPLE HOURS. THEY DID THAT. THEY PULLED AWAY. THEY DID RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET AND THEY CAME BACK AND THEY WERE A LOT MORE LEVEL HEADED. THEY EXPLORED IT WITH THEIR DAUGHTER. IN THE END THE DAUGHTER DID GO BUT THERE WERE SOME CONDITIONS. THE PARENTS WERE VERY NERVOUS, BELIEVE ME, ITS NOT AS EASY DECISION WHEN YOU END UP COMPROMISING. THEY FEEL IN THE LONG RUN THEY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION BECAUSE SHE WENT TWICE AND LOST INTEREST AND FOUND IT WAS NOT WHAT SHE EXPECTED AND DIDN'T WANT TO GO BACK. THEY WERE TERRIBLY RELIEVED. SHE WAS VERY MUCH AN INDEPENDENT-THINKING CHILD. VERY SELF CONFIDENT. THEY HAD REALLY HELPED RAISE THIS CHILD IN A VERY STRONG WAY. SHE WAS VERY COMPETENT AND CAPABLE. SO CURIOSITY IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE ATTRACTIONS. THEIR FRIENDS ARE DOING IT. THEY NEED TO BELONG, TO FIT IN, TO SAY YEAH I DID THAT BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A DRAG. I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT AGAIN. THAT IS MORE COMFORTABLE FOR THEM TO SAY THAN TO SAY MY PARENTS WON'T LET ME.

Mary says YOU HAVE TOUGH DECISIONS. EXCELLENT STORY. AS A PARENT TOO I MEAN FIRST YOU WANT TO PRO TECH YOUR CHILD, RIGHT? SO WITH THAT, YOU TRY TO ELIMINATE THE SITUATIONS THAT YOU FEEL ARE GOING TO BE DANGEROUS FOR THEM. BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT SO LONG. THERE MIGHT BE ONE WHERE A PARENT GOES I DON'T EVEN WANT HER TO GO. THE OTHER ONE, WHAT ABOUT A CHILD WHOSE FRIENDS ARE TAKING DRUGS? WHAT IF... WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE CHILD? DO YOU LET THE CHILD HANG AROUND WITH THE FRIENDS?

[OVERLAPPING VOICES].

Ian says AS A DAD, WHAT I HAVE TRIED TO DO IS KEEP THE RELATIONSHIP GOING THAT YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, RIGHT THROUGH TO HIGH SCHOOL. HOW WAS THE DANCE? WERE THERE DRUGS AT THE DANCE? DID YOU SEE DRUGS?

Mary says YOU ARE AN OFFICER. LET'S NOT FORGET.

[LAUGHTER]

Ian says YEAH. WHEN I'M A DAD, I'M MORE REALISTIC. YEAH. HE WILL BE WHAT I HOPE IS MORE FOTH RIGHT WITH ME. OF COURSE I DON'T WANT TO EM BAR ASS HIM. IF YOU CAN KEEP THE INFORMATION FLOW GOING BACK AND FOTH, WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY OR UNLUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE FRIENDS WHO HAVE TWO CHILDREN AND THEY HAVE HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TROUBLE... NOT TROUBLE BUT THEY HAVE BEEN IN A SITUATION WITH THEIR DAUGHTER WITH DRUGS AND ALCOHOL. ITS TURNED OUT GREAT BUT IT WAS YEARS OF HARD WORK. THE CHILD IS 17. THEY HAVE A SON WHO IS OPPOSITE, THE GOOD MARKS, NO PROBLEMS WITH DRUGS, THAT KIND OF THING. I THINK ITS IMPORTANT. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE IN A CERTAIN SOCIAL ECONOMIC GROUP OR DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BAD PEOPLE OR BAD PARENTS. THIS CAN HAPPEN TO ANYBODY IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS. YOU CAN HAVE A FAMILY WITH TWO SIMILAR CHILDREN BUT ONE ENDS UP IN A SITUATION WITH DRUGS AND OR ALCOHOL AND ONE DOESN'T.

Mary says BEVERLEY, JUST AS THAT WOMAN WHO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COMPROMISED AND DIDN'T SAY NO, YOU CAN'T GO TO THAT RAVE, DO YOU SAY THAT ABOUT FRIENDS? IN THE END IF YOU SAY NO, YOU CAN'T SEE THAT FRIEND, WELL, YOUR DAUGHTER WILL SEE THAT FRIEND ANY WAY.

Beverley says I REMEMBER MY FATHER TRYING TO TELL ME WHO I COULD DATE. AT 20. [LAUGHTER] BOY DID THEY MAKE ME WANT TO DATE THAT PERSON MORE. SO I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR CHILDREN'S FRIENDS. YOU CAN HAVE AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND SAY IS THIS FRIENDSHIP HELPFUL FOR YOU? ENCOURAGE DISCUSSION ON IT. I HAVE DONE THE OPPOSITE MYSELF. CHILDREN THAT I FELT WEREN'T THE BEST INFLUENCE FOR ONE OF MY CHILDREN IN PARTICULAR, I EMBRACED THAT CHILD. I WELCOMED THEM IN MY HOME. I TOOK THEM TO OUR COTTAGE ON THE WEEKEND. I LET THEM SEE OUR FAMILY AND FAMILY VALUES. I GOT TO KNOW THEM AND UNDERSTAND THEM A LITTLE. A LOT OF CHILDREN THAT ARE BEHAVING BADLY ARE NOT FEELING HAPPY ABOUT THEMSELVES. THEY MAY NOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH ANOTHER ADULT. SO I BECAME THE CLOSE RELATIONSHIP IN THAT CHOILD'S LIFE AS AN ADULT. IT REALLY ALTERED AN CHANGED THE CHILD'S PERCEPTION OF YOUR FAMILY. IT CHANGED THE RELATIONSHIP WITH MY CHILD. I THINK THAT WAS IMPORTANT.

Mary says FOR THE BETTER?

Beverley says FOR THE BETTER. THE RELATIONSHIP ENDED, AS THEY DO. THE FLAVOR OF THE MONTH. SOMETIMES YOUR CHILDREN WILL HANG ON TO A RELATIONSHIP LONGER IF THEY FEEL YOU ARE TRYING TO CONTROL MY LIFE. CHILDREN NEED HELP. SO I BELIEVE IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD. WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL THESE KIDS THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH DRUGS WHETHER THEY ARE IN OUR FAMILY OR SOMEONE ELSE'S. THEY MAY BE OUR CHILDREN'S FRIENDS OR NOT BUT THEY NEED UNDERSTANDING AND GUIDANCE. SO I WOULDN'T REJECT THE CHILDREN M I WOULD SEE IF WE CAN HELP THE SITUATION.

Ian says I HAVE TO AGREE. I KNOW MY WIFE IS AN EDUCATOR. WE HAVE AGREED THAT IF THERE WILL BE A GATHERING OF CHILDREN, THE ENDS OF YEAR SCHOOL PARTY, LET'S HAVE IT AT OUR HOUSE. AT LEAST WE CAN CONTROL THE ENVIRONMENT. WE CAN SEE WHO IS THERE, AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS THE VILLAGE MENTALITY. WE CAN ENSURE OTHER PARENTS. THEY CAN BE SURE THEIR CHILDREN ARE IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT.

Mary says DOES THAT ALSO MEAN IF WE HAVE INFORMATION WE KNOW THAT OUR SON OR DAUGHTER'S FRIENDS ARE INVOLVED WITH DRUGS, WE START CALLING PARENTS?

Beverley says WELL, THAT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU GET THE INFORMATION. IF YOUR CHILD IS OPENING UP AND CONCERNED ABILITY A FRIEND, YOU WANT TO REALITY VALUE THAT CONFIDENCE. I WOULD LET THE CHILD TAKE THE LEAD. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO TO E HELP THE FRIEND? NOT RUSH ANYTHING. THAT PROBLEM HAS BEEN IN YOUR CHILD'S MIND A COUPLE WEEKS SO DON'T RUSH INTO DECISIONS. TAKE YOUR TIME. GUIDE THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHAT IS THE BEST FOR THEIR FRIENDS? WOULD A CALL TO THE PARENT BE THE BEST? OR AN OUTSIDE PARTY? LET YOUR CHILD BE A PART OF THE DECISION. OTHERWISE YOU'LL LOSE AGAIN THAT COMMUNICATION WITH YOUR CHILD. IF THEY FEEL YOU TOOK CONTROL AND YOU DID SOMETHING I DON'T AGREE WITH, NOW MY FRIEND IS ANGRY WITH ME.

Mary says THAT IS A TOUGH ONE. I THINK, OKAY, IS IT BETTER TO HAVE THAT FRIEND ANGRY THAN TO HAVE THAT FRIEND IN THE HOSPITAL?

Beverley says WHEN ITS LIFE-THREATENING, MOST DRUG ISSUES YOU WILL BE FACED WITH, I WILL BE FACED WITH WILL NOT BE LIFE-THREATENING. WOULD YOU AGREE?

Ian says YES.

Beverley says WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EXTREMES HERE. WE ARE TALKING A LOT OF EXTREMES HERE SO WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, NOT GET WORKED UP. WE WILL BE DEALING WITH DAY TODAY ISSUES. SON IN THE ALLEY HAVING A CIGARETTE, NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS. SO AGAIN WE HAVE LIFETIME WITH THESE PEOPLE. WE DON'T HAVE TO POUND IT INTO THEM IN ONE DAY. WORK WITH THEM. MOST ISSUES WILL NOT BE LIFE-THREATENING. BUT IF THEY ARE NOT WELL INFORM CHILDREN AND THEY ARE OUT THERE EXPERIMENTING, IT COULD BE LIFE-THREATENING.

Mary says LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL. CINDY IS ON THE LINE. HI.

The Caller says HELLO. I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS BUT I WILL ONLY ASK A COUPLE.

Mary says THANK YOU.

The Caller says A COUPLE WEEKS AGO I FOUND OUT MY SON HAS BEEN SMOKING MARIJUANA. LAST YEAR HE WAS ON HIS DEATH BED. HE ALMOST DIED OF A BLOOD DISORDER SO IT SCARES ME HE IS TRYING THESE THINGS. NOW MY QUESTION IS, AM I GOING TOO FAST? I GOT UPSET WITH HIM, MADE APPOINTMENTS WITH THE DOCTORS TO HAVE HIM TESTED FOR OTHER DRUGS. I DON'T KNOW IF I AM PUSHING HIM TOO FAST. BUT IT'S SCARY. I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU GO TO THE DOCTOR AND HE IS TESTED POSITIVE, WILL THE POLICE BE BROUGHT IN?

Ian says NO, NO. I CAN ALMOST ENCEPHALITIS SURE YOU THAT ITS NOT THE CASE. WHAT YOU ARE DESCRIBING IS A REGULAR PARN AL CONCERN. ITS SOMETIMES A CORPORATE CONCERN. DRUG TESTING IS BIG IN THE STATES. THERE IS A PRIVACY ISSUE AROUND THAT. I THINK WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AND OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS SOMEONE IS FOUND TO HAVE DRUGS IN THEIR SYSTEM, ITS NOT REALLY AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, ITS A HELP ISSUE. I WOULD THINK THAT YOUR PRIVACY WOULD BE VERY MUCH RESPECTED. THE POLICE WILL NOT BE INVOLVED ON THAT KIND OF LEVEL. THAT WOULD BE WHERE YOU WOULD SPEAK WITH YOUR DOCTOR.

Mary says BEVERLEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SHE HAS SOME DOUBT THERE.

Beverley says YEAH. I AM GLAD SHE IS QUESTIONING HER DECISION. I THINK ITS IMPORTANT FOR YOU NOT TO LOSE FAITH IN YOUR SON AND SET UP A HOSTILE SITUATION. HOW DOES HE FEEL ABOUT HAVING HIS BLOOD TESTED?

The Caller says HE IS VERY ANGRY AT ME. I SET SOMETHING UP TO TAKE COUNSELLING AT SCHOOL.

Beverley says OKAY. THE COUNSELLING MIGHT TO HIM SEEM COMFORTABLE COMPARED TO THE BLOOD TESTING. I THINK THAT ITS A FIRST OFFENSE IN YOUR EYES, IS IT?

The Caller says YES.

Beverley says OKAY. THEN I THINK CHILDREN NEED TO LEARN THAT MISTAKES ARE PART OF LIFE. I HAVE MADE A MISTAKE AND WHEN I TO I DON'T LOSE MY PARENTS. THEY DON'T PULL THEIR LOVE OR THEIR BELIEFS IN ME. THEY STILL BELIEVE IN ME. THEY STILL HAVE CONFIDENCE IN ME BUT I HAVE MADE A JUDGMENT THEY ARE UNHAPPY WITH. I MADE A DECISION THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO LIVE WITH. SO WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND WORK THIS OUT. WE CAN GET COUNSELLING. IF YOU DON'T FEEL EQUIPPED TO DEAL WITH HIM, IF YOU ARE ON THE COMMUNICATION FRONT NOT STRONG, GET HELP FOR YOURSELF. HOPEFULLY YOUR SON WILL BE WILLING TO GO WITH YOU AND GET COUNSELLING. IF THIS IS IN HIS EYES AN EARLY OFFENSE, A FIRST OFFENSE, HE IS GOING TO FEEL PERHAPS YOU ARE PULLING THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER HIM AND YOU ARE NOT A SAFE PLACE TO MAKE MISTAKES AURP. THAT IS WHAT I CAUTION OF.

Mary says LET'S HEAR FROM ANOTHER CALLER. JEFF IS ON THE LINE.

The Caller says HI. I WANT TO SHARE A BAD EXPERIENCE I HAD WITH ECSTASY. ON NEW YEARS, ME AND MY FRIENDS DECIDED TO DO ECSTASY. THEY DECIDED TO TAKE ONE PILL. I TOOK THE ONE PILL ANT I CAN'T CATCH FOR AN HOUR. THEY WERE LIKE, TAKE THE OTHER ONE. SO I TOOK THE OTHER. I WASN'T THINKING ABOUT IT. WHEN YOU DO ECSTASY YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DRINK WATER AND NOT DRINK SO MUCH ALCOHOL. OF COURSE I DRANK A FEW TOO MANY BEERS. THE NEXT THING, I WAS HA LOSE NATING BAD. I WENT TO BAD AT 2 O'CLOCK OR SO AND I WOKE UP THE NEXT DAY AND THROUGH THE NEXT MONTH OR SO I HAVE HAD PANIC ATTACKS ALL THROUGHOUT THAT. I HAVE BEEN FEELING BAD ABOUT THAT.

Mary says GO AHEAD.

The Caller says I AM NOT GOING TO EVER DO IT AGAIN. IT'S MY OWN FAULT THAT I GOT IN THAT SITUATION.

Mary says WAS THAT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU TOOK IT?

The Caller says YES.

Mary says HOW OLD ARE YOU?

The Caller says I'M 23.

Mary says I'M WONDERING IS THAT A REACTION TO IT? PANIC ATTACKS LATER ON?

Ian says YES. WE SEE THE IRRITABLE BEHAVIOR, PANIC ATTACKS.

Mary says FROM ONE... TWO PILLS?

Ian says YES. THE DIFFICULTY WITH ECSTASY IS BECAUSE ITS AN UNKNOWN DRUG, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T KNOW THAT ITS MDMA IN THERE. IT COULD BE PCP. ANGEL DUST. IT COULD BE MANY THINGS. DIFFERENT CHEMICALS HAVE DIFFERENT REACTIONS. THE SAME CHEMICAL MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME REACTION IN TWO PARTIES. I THINK SQEV... ITS GREAT THAT HE REALIZED IT WAS HIS FAULT AND HE WON'T DO IT AGAIN. EXCELLENT CHOICE. SUPER CHOICE.

Mary says UH-HUH. I'M CURIOUS, WHY HAS THE EMPHASIS CHANGED FROM THE PART OF THE POLICE IN TALKING TO KIDS AND SAYING THE MESSAGE IS NOT SO MUCH, DRUG RS BAD, DRUGS ARE BAD, BUT YOU KNOW THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ARE KAUKT TAKING DRUGS AS FAR AS THE LAW IS CONCERNED. WHY DID THE MESSAGE CHANGE?

Ian says I THINK WE REALIZE THAT HAD THE OLD DAYS OF SHOWING THE MOVIE AND SCARING PEOPLE IS NOT WORKING. WE ARE NOT GETTING TO THE REAL ISSUE OF CHOICES, AS JEFF REFERRED TO, HIS OWN CHOICE. SO THE POLICE ARE WORKING WITH THE MINISTRY AND TRYING TO GET INVOLVED IN THE ONTARIO SCHOOLS. WE COME IN AND SPEAK FOR 20 MINUTES AT GRADE SIX AS POLICE OFFICERS IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE... USING THE EXPRESSION... WHAT THE RESULTS OF USING DRUGS CAN BE. WHAT IS THE WORD?

Mary says THE CONSEQUENCES.

Ian says THE CONSEQUENCES, YES, FOR INSTANCE JEFF USED DRUGS WITH SOME FRIEND HAVE BEEN IN A CAR WITH SOMEONE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CARRYING A LARGER QUANTITY AND THEN BE STOPPED BY POLICE OR HIS FRIEND COULD HAVE BEEN IN A LARGE SCALE INVESTIGATION AND BE CHARGED. THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT ARE HUGE, ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AROUND THAT AGE. YOU ARE STARTING TO COME OUT INTO CAREERS, WORKING FOR CORPORATIONS. YOU MAY WANT TO BE BONDED. YOU MAY WANT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL. A LOT OF DOORS CAN CLOSE WHEN YOU BECOME INVOLVED WITH THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF DRUGS. THE POLICE ARE DEFINITELY MOVING MORE TOWARDS LETTING THE EDUCATORS EDUCATE AND WE WILL SPEAK ABOUT CONSEQUENCES.

Mary says LET'S GET ANOTHER CALL ON HERE. DEV ON IS ON THE LINE.

The Caller says HI. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER THAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME. IT WAS ABOUT DRUG USE USUALLY STARTS AROUND GRADE 10 OR 11. ITS NOT...

Mary says I DON'T THINK WE SAID THAT.

The Caller says I LIVE IN KINGSTON. THERE ARE ORGANIZATION THAT DEAL WITH SPECIFICALLY WITH KIDS THAT DO DRUGS. I AM SEEING SO MUCH USE BETWEEN KIDS THAT ARE 10, 11, 12. ITS SCARY. I'M A FORMER DRUG USER. I HAVEN'T USED IN FIVE YEARS OR SIX YEARS, SORRY. I SEE THESE THINGS AND I THINK ITS SO MUCH YOUNGER. ITS NOT EVEN JUST THE DRUGS THAT ARE ON THE STREET. IT COULD BE SOMETHING IN YOUR OWN MEDICINE CABINET.

Mary says YEAH, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. BUT WE WERE SAYING WE NEED TO SPEAK TO CHILDREN AT 10 AND 11. THAT IS WHEN THE PROGRAMMES ARE HAPPENING. LET'S ADDRESS THAT. SHE BRINGS UP A VERY GOOD POINT ABOUT DRUGS IN YOUR MEDICINE CABINET. NOW, I HAVE HEAR ABOUT PRESCRIPTION DRUGS BEING USED FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES OUT THERE BY KIDS.

Ian says YES.

Mary says HOW COMMON IS THAT?

Ian says ITS NOT SOMETHING I WOULD CALL COMMON IN RELATION TO MARIJUANA. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY THERE. AGAIN, IT COMES DOWN TO EDUCATION, CHOICES AND SETTING EXAMPLES. IF CHILDREN ARE SEEING IN THE HOME PARENTS THAT ARE PRONE TO CHANGING THEIR PARTICULAR PROBLEM BY TAKING A PILL, WHAT IS THAT? OKAY, MAYBE I CAN CHANGE MY SITUATION BY TAKING A PILL. IF MOM CHANGES HER BEHAVIOR, OR DAD, EVERY TIME SOMETHING IS WRONG HE TAKES A PILL. IT MAY MAKE CHOICES DIFFERENT FOR THEM.

Beverley says MODELING AND PARENTAL ATTITUDES ARE KEY. MODELING IS ONE OF OUR MOST POWERFUL TOOLS WE HAVE. SO ITS IMPORTANT. I STRESS THAT IN MY COURSE THAT PARENTS NEED TO TAKE STOCK, LOOK INWARD AND SAY, HEY, WHAT AT TUTS AM I SHOWING. DO I SAY, WHAT A ROUGH DAY, I NEED A DRINK? IF WE INDICATE TO CHILDREN THE WAY TO GET RID OF STRESS, THE WAY TO RELAX IS TO TURN TO SOME SUBSTANCE, THEN WE ARE GOING TO PERHAPS CREATE THE MYTH. SO ITS IMPORTANT TO TAKE STOCK. SOME PARENTS I KNOW HAVE STOPPED DRINKING WHEN THEIR KIDS WERE CLOSE TO THEIR TEENS. THEY SAID THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE A CLEAN MESSAGE TO OUR CHILDREN. THEY MADE THE DECISION TO DROP THE USE OF SUBSTANCES THEMSELVES, AS A GOOD ROLE MODEL FOR THE CHILDREN. THE MEDICINE CABINET BRINGS UP ANOTHER ISSUE. I KNOW CHILDREN ARE SHARING THEIR RITALIN WITH THEIR FRIENDS. THE KIDS ARE PLAYING WITH DRUGS THEY KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT. PUFFERS EVEN.

Mary says ASTHMA puffers.

Beverley says YES. I HAD A KID SAY A FRIEND TAKES TWICE AS MANY PUFFS AS SHE NEEDS. I DON'T KNOW THE RESULTS BUT SHE THINKS ITS COOL. ITS BREAKING THE RULES, I GUESS. BREAKING THE RULES, ACTING LIKE AN ADULT. I'M DECIDING FOR ME. SO CHILDREN PLAY WITH THESE THINGS. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE AWARE OF THE CHEMICALS THAT THEY ARE PUTTING THEIR BODY AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT.

Mary says YEAH. WE HAVE A FEW SECONDS LEFT. IS THERE ANY LAST WORD TO GIVE TO PARENTS OUT THERE?

Ian says AGAIN, ITS NOTHING WE HAVEN'T ALREADY SAID. TALKING TO YOUR CHILDREN, KEEP TRACK OF WHERE THEY ARE, WHO THEIR FRIENDS ARE. KEEP THEM BUSY. IF YOU KEEP THEM BUSY THEY ARE LESS LIKELY THE WRONG INFLUENCE WILL GET IN THERE.

Mary says WE ARE OUT OF TIME. WE WILL END ON THAT NOTE. THANKS FOR COMING IN. DETECTIVE IAN BRIGGS IS THE TRON DRUG SQUAD AND BEVERLEY CATHCART-ROSS FROM THE PARENT EDUCATION NETWORK HAVE BEEN MY GUESTS. FOR MORE CONVERSATION, YOU CAN CONTACT DETECTIVE IAN BRIGGS.

A slate reads "Detective Ian Briggs, 416-808-5077."
Then, it changes to "Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, www.camh.net."

Mary says PLANET PARENT LOOKS LIKE LIFE FROM ALL POINTS. THIS WEEK WE TAKE A PEEK AT THE LIFE OF MARY YAN AND LEO. NEITHER DISABILITY NOR AGE PREVENTED THEM FROM ADOPTING THEIR DAUGHTER.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "Video Diary."

In the clip, a man in his early fifties plays living room bowling with a toddler girl.

[LAUGHTER]

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Andrea (Tao Tao) Madore. 2 and a half years."

The caption changes to "Leo Madore. Andrea's Dad."

Leo, in his forties, is clean-shaven and has receding gray hair.

The caption changes to "Mary Ann Madore. Andrea's Mom."

Mary Ann, in her early fifties, with blond hair in a bob and glasses says SHE DOES TRICKS. SHE LIKES TO PLAY JOKES. SHE LOVES TO BE THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. [LAUGHTER] SHE IS A JOY. A PURE JOY.

Andrea lies inside a cot and covers her face with books.

Leo says I SEE YOU.

At his interview, he says SOMETHING IN YOUR MARRIED LIFE OF 23 YEARS AT THAT TIME OBVIOUSLY WAS SPEAKING TO US ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING A CHILD, OF SEEING A CHILD GROW.

Mary Ann says WE HAD LIVED OUR LIVES AND HAD THE FREEDOM OF MAKING A LOT OF CHOICES AN DOING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. NOW OUR CHOICE WAS TO RAISE A GIRL, A LITTLE GIRL.

As she sings to Andrea, she says HELLO. HELLO. HELLO.

She continues says WE NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD BE FIRST-TIME PARENTS IN OUR 50s M BUT WE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T FOLLOW WHAT THE NORM IS. WE KIND OF... WE ARE FROM THE 60s. WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE OUR OWN THING.

Leo says WE ARE FLOWER CHILDREN.

[LAUGHTER]

As a clip shows him walking with a cane, Leo says
MY DISABILITY IS POLIO. I HAD POLIO AT THE AGE OF 3 and a half. I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WALK WITH CRUTCHES OR BRACES MOST OF MY LIFE.

As he sits on the floor and dresses Andrea, he says I WOULD SIT ON THE FLOOR. I HAVE DEVELOPED MOTIONS OF HOW I GET UP SO I DON'T HURT MY NECK AN STRAIN MYSELF.

As he gets up and sits down, he says TRYING TO KEEP THE WEIGHT OFF MY LEG. SHE KNOWS. SHE DROPS DOWN TO THAT POSITION BETWEEN MY LEGS BECAUSE ITS ONE SHE IS FAMILIAR WITH.
THERE IS A DISABLE TUTOR. AN E ELECTRIC SCOOTER. I HAVE HAD THIS SINCE SHE STARTED DAY CARE.

As a clip shows him riding a scooter with Andrea sitting on his lap, he says IT'S MY FREEDOM. THE DISABILITY SCOOTER, ITS LIKE HAVING A CAR BASICALLY. THIS IS HOW I TAKE HER TODAY CARE EVERY MORNING AND PICK HER UP IN THE EVENING. HI GORGEOUS. MY OWN EXPERIENCE OF LOOKING FORWARD AT THE EP OF THE AFTERNOON TO PICKING HER UP FROM DAY CARE, HAVING MISSED HER FROM NOT HAVING BEEN WITH HER DURING THE DAY, I CAN'T IMAGINE NOT EXPERIENCING THESE THINGS NOW. THE DISABILITY I THINK ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO OVERCOME IT IS WORTH IT. ANYTHING.

[LAUGHTER]

As the couple plays with Andrea on a large bed, Leo says WHERE YOU GOING TO GO?

Mary Ann says WE ARE COMMITTED TO TAKING HER BACK TO CHINA WHEN SHE IS OLDER, MAYBE WHEN SHE IS A TEENAGER. WE WANT TO SHOW HER HER COUNTRY.

As Andrea watches TV, Leo says WHAT IS THIS?

Mary Ann says WE HAVE CHILDREN'S NURSERY RIMS AND CHILDREN SONGS IN MANDARIN ON CDS. SHE DOES SING ALONG WITH THE NURSERY RHYMES. SHE IS ATTRACTED TO ASIAN PEOPLE. SHE HASN'T ASKED US ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY OUR FEATURES ARE DIFFERENT THAN HERS. I'M SURE THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION AS SHE GETS OLDER.

In a clip, Andrea and her parents visit a friend's family.

Mary Ann says HERE WE ARE. THIS IS A COUPLE THAT WENT TO CHINA WITH US. THEY ARE HOSTING A CHRISTMAS PARTY FOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN OUR GROUP, ALL THE FAMILIES THAT ADOPTED CHILDREN TOGETHER IN CHINA. WE HAVE THESE GET TOGETHER THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. ITS LIKE AN EXTENDED FAMILY FOR US.

Andrea wears funny glasses and Leo laughs.

[LAUGHTER]

Leo says HAVING REACHED MY EARLY 50s AND HAVING FOUND A CHILD FOR THE FIRST TIME, HAVING A DISABILITY NOW HAS BEEN HARDLY ANY CONSTRAINT. ITS CHALLENGES BUT I THINK AGAINST THE CHALLENGES ALL I CAN IMAGINE IS WHAT LIFE MIGHT HAVE BEEN WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY OF HOLD AGO CHILD IN MY ARMS.

Clips show the family playing.

[LAUGHTER]

Mary Ann says TO TALK TO OTHER PARENTS, THEY WILL TELL YOU THINGS LIKE, OH, ITS A LOT OF HASSLE BUT ITS WORTH IT. ITS REALLY A LOT OF GRIEF BUT ITS WORTH IT. YOU ARE THINKING WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NOW THAT WE HAVE HER IN OUR LIFE, SHE HAS GONE THROUGH THE TERRIBLE TWOS, ITS OVER WITH, THEN THERE IS JOY AGAIN. SHE'S SO LOVING AND GIVING THAT ITS JUST A TRANSFORMATION.

The clips end.

Back in the studio, Mary says And that's a segment from Planet Parent, which you can see right here on TVO ever Wednesday night at 7 o'clock. That is it for today's show. Please join me each weekday, Monday to Friday, for More to Life at 1 o'clock.

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