Transcript: Queen's Jubilee - Figure Skating - Planet Parent clip | Feb 06, 2002

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A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Life. Words spin against a red and orange background: Health, Family, Home, Money, Fitness, Life. Fast clips show images related to the previous concepts, such as a dollar bill, a wheat field, and strands of DNA.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Mary Ito sits in a studio with textured yellow walls and the logo of the show in the background, which reads "More to life."

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a gray suit and a pendant necklace.

Mary says HELLO. I'M MARY ITO. WELCOME TO MORE TO LIFE. LATER ON THE SHOW WE WILL LOOK AT ELVIS STOJKO'S CHANCE FOR WINNING GOLD AT THE OLYMPICS.
FIRST, EVERYTHING IS COMING UP GOLD FOR QUEEN ELIZABETH WHO MARKS HER GOLDEN JUBILEE TODAY.

A picture of a book titled "Fifty years the Queen" appears on screen. The cover is purple, with a picture of Queen Elizabeth the second in a formal white gown and blue sash.
Then another picture shows a book titled "The royal book of list."

Mary continues Here TO DISCUSS THIS ARE GARRY TOFFOLI AND MATT RICHARDSON.

Garry is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with short receding white hair. He's wearing glasses, a gray suit and shirt, and a striped black tie.

Matt is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short, mid-parted blond hair. He's wearing glasses and a dark green sweater.

Mary continues IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HOUSE OF WINDSOR, MAYBE YOU HAVE A MEMORY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE ABOUT A ROYAL VISIT. MAYBE YOU THINK THE MONARCHY'S TIME IS OVER, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary continues WELCOME, GARY AND MATT. 50 YEARS AGO, LET'S GO BACK TO FEBRUARY 6, 1952. GIVE US A THUMBNAIL SKETCH OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY.

Garry says WELL, THE KING DIED EARLY IN... IN HIS SLEEP, IN THE EARLY HOURS OF FEBRUARY 6th. THE QUEEN HAD GONE... SHE WAS JUST BEGINNING A TOUR TO AFRICA, ON TO AUSTRALIA.

Mary says THE QUEEN MOTHER?

The caption changes to "Garry Toffoli. 'Fifty years the queen.'"

Garry says NO. THE CURRENT QUEEN. AS PRINCESS. SO SHE LEFT LONDON ON THE 3 1ST OF JANUARY. THE KING HAD BEEN SICK FOR SEVERAL MONTHS BUT SEEMED TO BE GETTING BETTER SO THINGS SEEMED STABLE. TO THE QUEEN REACHED KENYA, SHE WAS STAYING THE NIGHT OF THE 5th OF FEBRUARY AT AN OBSERVATION HOUSE YOU WOULD CALLED TREE TOPS, BIT IN A TREE. IT WAS A GIANT TREE. T THE ROOMS WERE IN THE TREE. THAT IS WHERE THE QUEEN SPENT THE NIGHT OF FEBRUARY 5th. THEN WORD CAME THE NEXT MORNING THAT THE KING HAD DIED IN HIS SLEEP AND WAS PASSED ON TO PRINCE FILL LIP. HE BROKE THE NEWS TO THE QUEEN.

Mary says HOW OLD WAS SHE?

Garry says 25. SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN 26 IN APRIL. SHE WAS STILL 25 AT THE TIME.

Mary says HOW DID THE PUBLIC FEEL ABOUT HER MOVING TO THE THRONE?

A black and white picture shows the royal family wearing expensive fur coats.
Then a colour picture shows young Elizabeth wearing a crown and holding a golden sceptre.

Garry says THE FIRST FEELING WAS SADNESS AT THE DEATH OF THE KING. GEORGE THE 6th WAS GREATLY LOVED. IN CANADA AND AROUND THE COMMONWEALTH. HE HAD BEEN HERE IN 39 AND HAD A TRE MEN DO YOU SAY TOUR. SO THERE WAS SADNESS. THE COUNTRY WAS IN MOURNING. THEN DEALING WITH THE NEW QUEEN THOUGH, THERE WAS ANTICIPATE AUGS OF A NEW REIGN, CONCERN FOR THE QUEEN BECAUSE SHE WAS DEALING WITH THE FACT HER FATHER DIED, NOW SHE HAD ALL THIS RESPONSIBILITY. THERE WAS A SENSE OF PROTECTIVENESS TOWARD HER.

Mary says UH-HUH. MATT, DO YOU THINK THAT THE QUEEN HAS LIVED UP TO OUR EXPECTATIONS OVER THE YEARS?

The caption changes to "Matt Richardson. 'The royal book of lists.'"

Matt says I THINK HE HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL QUEEN. YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED ALT ME SAYING THAT. [LAUGHTER] EVERYONE FEELS... HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK THE REASON SHE'S BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE SHE'S BE TRAYED SO LITTLE OF HERSELF. I DON'T THINK SHE HAS EVER SAID ANYTHING IN PUBLIC THAT WASN'T SCRIPTED. IN THAT SENSE SHE HAS LEARNED TO, WELL, TO KEEP THE MYSTERY.

Mary says OH. SO IS THE MYSTERY, IS THAT IMPORTANT TO BEING A GOOD QUEEN?

Garry says ITS AN ELEMENT THAT THE MYSTERY... I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE THAT NOTHING WAS SCRIPTED. YOU HAVE TO READ THE BOOK, MATT. WE HAVE QUOTES FROM THE QUEEN. MUCH OF WHICH IS SCRIPTED BUT SHE WRITES THE SKIPT TOO. SO ITS NOT SKIPTED FOR HER. BUT THERE ARE THOSE MOMENTS THAT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GEE, THAT'S... LEE LET'S A TERM SLIP THROUGH THAT REVEALS HER OWN VIEWS. A KBAM APPROXIMATELY OF THAT WAS 1983 WHEN SHE WAS DOWN IN CALIFORNIA, FLYING TO VICTORIA THE NEXT DAY. AN AMERICAN REPORTER ASKED HER WHAT HER SCHEDULE WAS. THE QUEEN SAID I'M GOING HOME TO CANADA TOMORROW. IT REVEALED THE FACT THAT THE QUEEN DOES THINK OF CANADA AS HER HOME. SHE HAS A SENSE OF BEING CANADIAN. SO THERE ARE MOMENTS LIKE THAT THAT REVEAL, I THINK, WHAT IS QUEEN IS LIKE, WHAT SHE FEELS ABOUT CANADIANS AND OTHER PEOPLE.

Mary says I THINK MATT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT BECAUSE OUTSIDE OF BEING SCRIPTED OR NOT, THE QUEEN HAS I THINK TO MANY PEOPLE BEEN HAS SHOWN DIGNITY AND NOT... WE DON'T RELATE TO HER AS A PERSON, DO WE? SHE DOESN'T COME OUT WASHING LAUNDRY, EXPOSING THINGS, SHOWING A LOT OF EMOTION. IS THAT PART OF BEING A QUEEN?

Garry says YEAH, I THINK SO. I WOULD SAY ITS AN ASS PICTURE. WE ARE RELATING TO HER AS A PERSON. THERE ARE DIFFERENT SIDES TO PEOPLE. THE QUEEN KEEPS HER INNER SELF TO HERSELF. SHE IS A PRIVATE PERSON BUT WE ALL HAVE PRIVATE SIDES AND PUBLIC SIDES. BUT OUR PUBLIC SIDE IS STILL REAL. IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE ARE STILL DEALING WITH PEOPLE, ITS STILL US. ITS THAT SIDE OF THE QUEEN WE SEE IN PUBLIC, ITS A REAL PART OF THE QUEEN. JUST BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T LET US SEE WHAT HER IMMEDIATE FAMILY SEES IS DIFFERENT. I DON'T LET PEOPLE WHAT MY CLOSE FRIENDS AND IMMEDIATE FAMILY... WE ARE ALL LIKE THAT. OT [OVERLAPPING VOICES] Z.

Matt says AND THEN THERE IS PRINCE PHILLIP.

Mary says LET'S MOVE ON TO THAT IN A SECOND. I WANT TO STAY WITH THE QUEEN FOR A SECOND. WHEN WE LOOK OVER HER 50 YEARS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT EACH OF YOU THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN THE HIGH POINT OF HER CAREER. WHAT WOULD YOU REMEMBER HER FOR IS? MATT.

Matt says I THINK THE HIGH POINT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE 25th ANNIVERSARY OF HER REIGN. THIS IS NOW THE 50th. I DON'T SEE THE SAME ENTHUSIASM. I AM NOT OLD ENOUGH

Mary says IT SNUCK UP ON US?

Matt says IT SNUCK UP ON ME. [LAUGHTER] I THINK THAT THE 5th ANNIVERSARY WAS MUCH MORE... WELL, IT WAS PUBLY SIZED. OVER HERE, WE HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT. THE GOLDEN JUBILEE, HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT. WELL, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST FEW DAYS, YEAH. BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO MY POSITION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE REL VAN SI OF THE ROYAL FAMILY IN CANADA TODAY. THAT IS ANOTHER ISSUE.

Mary says WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Garry says WE DISAGREE ON THAT. THE HIGH POINT FOR ME WAS THE SILVER JUBILEE BECAUSE IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. I WAS IN LON SON FOR THE CELEBRATIONS HERE AND IN OTTAWA WHEN THE QUEEN CAME TO CANADA. THE SILVER JUBILEE STARTED THE SAME WAY TOO. AT THE BEGINNING IT WAS LOW KEY. THE GOVERNMENT WASN'T SURE HOW PEOPLE WOULD REACT. THE CELEBRATION CAME FROM THE PEOPLE AND BLOSSOMED AS THE YEAR PROGRESSED. I THINK WE ARE SEEING-MATT'S POINT IS RIGHT. UNTIL NOW THERE HASN'T BEEN MUCH BUT ITS THE BEGINNING. ITS ALSO A SOLEMN DAY TODAY. ALREADY THERE WAS A CONCERT IN TORONTO WITH ONE OF HER GROUPS, 600 PEOPLE AT THE CONCERT THERE. ANOTHER CONCERT COMING UP THIS WEEKEND. ALREADY THERE ARE EVENTS WITH HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ATTENDINGING THEM IN TORONTO, STARTING OUT. THE REACTION I HAVE HAD TODAY FROM INTERVIEWS, ITS BUILDING. BUT THE MAIN CELEBRATIONS WON'T COME UNTIL JUNE. YOU ARE RIGHT THAT ITS BEEN LOW KEY BUT IT WAS THE SAME WAY IN 1877.

Matt says I NEVER GET INVITED ANY WAY.

[LAUGHTER]

Mary says YOU HAVE TO WRITE A DIFFERENT KIND OF BOOK, MATT.

Matt says THAT WAS MY MISTAKE.

Mary says WHAT I KIND INTERESTING IS THAT BOTH OF YOU TAKE THE SILVER JUBILEE, SO, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT YOU WOULD REMEMBER CELEBRATION, CELEBRATION OF 25 YEARS OF REIGN, RIGHT? NOT AN EVENT WHERE SHE ACTUALLY CAME OUT AND DID SOMETHING THAT YOU REMEMBERED HER DOING SOMETHING. ITS MORE OF CELEBRATION OF HER REIGN. I FIND THAT INTERESTING.

Garry says I THINK ITS A GOOD POINT THAT YOU MAKE TOO ABOUT US. THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT HAPPEN IN THE REIGN. THE QUEEN HAS BEEN HERE FOR THE CONSTITUTION, SO ALL THESE THINGS ADD UP TO WHAT MAKES UP THE REIGN. THE SILVER JUBILEE WAS THE CELEBRATION OF THE WHOLE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE MONARCHY. FOR ME, LIKE MATT, I WASN'T BORN FOR THE CORONATION SO PEOPLE SAID, GEE, WASN'T THAT GREAT? FOR ME IT WAS THE JUBILEE BECAUSE I WAS CELEBRATING NOT JUST THAT EVENT BUT THE WHOLE LIFE OF THE QUEEN. PROBABLY WHEN I LOOK BACK TO GOLDEN JUBILEE, IT MAY SURE PASS THE SILVER IN MY MEMORY.

Mary says NICELY HANDLED. I LIKE THAT.

Garry says VERY GOOD.

Mary says LET ME REMIND OUR VIEWERS REWITH TALKING ABOUT THE GOALEN JUBILEE TODAY, 50 YEARS OF QUEEN ELIZABETH THE SECOND'S REIGN.

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Mary says WE HAVE MARY ON THE LINE. HI.

The Caller says HI. I WAS WONDERING WHY THE ROYAL FAMILY CHOOSE THE NAME WINDSOR AS THEIR FAMILY NAME.

Mary says OKAY?

Garry says FROM THE CASTLE. IN THE FIRST WORLD WAR, THE NAME OF THE FAMILY WAS DIFFERENT, IT WAS THE GERMAN NAME. THE ANTIGERMAN FEELING IN THE FIRST WORLD WAR LED TO MANY FAMILIES CHANGING THEIR NAMES. WHEN THE ROYAL FAMILY LOOKED AT WHAT NAME SHOULD WE ADOPT, THEY AGREED TO TAKE THE NAME WINDSOR FROM THE CASTLE, THE HOME OF THE ROYAL FAMILY FOR 900 YEARS. THAT IS WHERE THE NAME COMES FROM.

Mary says GOING BACK TO THE WHOLE IDEA OF DIGNITY, I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN CRITICISM LEVELED TO THE QUEEN OVER THE YEARS ABOUT HAVING THAT SAME KIND OF DIGNITY IN HER PERSONAL LIFE, PARTICULARLY REGARDING HER FAMILY. MATT, DO YOU FEEL THAT CRITICISM IS WARRANTED?

Matt says I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF SYMPATHY FOR THE QUEEN. I SHOULD STATE I AM NOT ANTIMONARCHY. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK THE MONARCHY IS A BAD THING. I HAVE QUESTIONS AS TO REL VAN SI TO CANADA. I THINK THAT THIS YEAR IN PARTICULAR MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL OF US TO EXAMINE WHAT MONARCHY MEANS TO US AS CANADIANS. THAT CAN ONLY BE A GOOD THING. TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ITS TIME TO MAKE SOME SORT OF... TAKE A DIFFERENT PATH. GETTING BACK TO THE QUEEN, I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF SYMPATHY FOR HER. THE LAST TEN YEARS COULD NOT HAVE BEEN EASY FOR HER. ITS BEEN ONE THING AFTER ANOTHER. THROUGH IT ALL, SHE HAS MAINTAINED, WELL, DIGNITY. SHE HAS DONE THAT. THAT IS WHY I THINK SHE HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL QUEEN. TO RISE ABOVE THAT.

Mary says YEAH. WE KEEP GOING BACK TO HER AS A QUEEN. WHAT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING A MOTHER AND A WIFE? IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO BOTH? IS IT POSSIBLE TO BE AN EXCELLENT MONARCH AND A MOTHER AND WIFE TOO?

A colour picture shows Elizabeth holding a baby and a toddler as the King sits behind her.
Another picture shows the extended royal family posing near a lake.

Garry says I GUESS ITS POSSIBLE. ITS A STRAIN. ITS NOT JUST A STRAIN TO BE AN EXCELLENT MONARCH AND WIFE AND MOTHER, I THINK ITS A STRAIN TO BE IN ANY FIELD FOR WOMEN WHO HAVE TO JUGGLE THE DUTIES. ITS PERHAPS EASIER ON MEN, FRANKLY, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY.

A black and white picture shows Elizabeth tucking a baby in a stroller.

Mary says HOW HAS SHE DONE?

Garry says I THINK EXTREMELY WELL. HER CHILDREN HAVE HAD MARITAL PROBLEMS, NO QUESTION. SOME HAVE SAID THAT SHOWS THE FAMILY LIFE WASN'T GOOD OR WHATEVER. BUT THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN ABLE TO DEAL WITH THAT AND IN SOME CASES RISE ABOVE THE PROBLEMS. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD PERSONAL PROBLEMS AND ITS DESTROYED THEIR ABILITY TO FUNCTION. THE PRINCE OF WAELS, THE DUKE OF YORK, PRINCE EDWARD, THEY ARE ALL FUNCTIONS CARRYING OUT DUTIES DESPITE THEIR PERSONAL PROBLEMS.

Mary says BUT THAT IS WHAT WE SEE ON THE SURFACE.

Garry says BUT THEY ARE THOUGH. THEY ARE DEALING WITH... ITS MORE THAN THE SURFACE. WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THEM CARRYING OUT THEIR JOBS.

Mary says BUT DO WE REALLY KNOW THEIR PERSONAL LIFE? DO WE KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT EACH OTHER?

Garry says NO, NO. WE DON'T. SOME PEOPLE DON'T. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T. THERE ARE PROBLEMS. THEY HAVE HAD PROBLEMS, THAT IS EVIDENT. I LOOK AT IT WHETHER SOMEONE IS SUCCESSFUL, CAN YOU DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE AND THE LIMITATIONS AND THE FAILINGS WE ALL HAVE AND STILL CARRY OUT WHATEVER YOUR JOB IS. I THINK THE ROYAL FAMILY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT... MATT'S BOOK DEALT WITH... ASPECTS OF THE OTHER THINGS. ITS PART OF IT. THE FUN. MON

Mary says THE GOSSIP?

Garry says WELL ITS PART AND PARCEL. MONARCHY IS GIVING A HUMAN FACE TO PUBLIC LIFE.

Matt says THESE ARE REAL HUMAN BEINGS WITH HUMAN FAILINGS. I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. THERE WAS A REAL NEED AT A CERTAIN POINT IN HISTORY FOR THE ROYAL FAMILY TO REHABILITATION TATE ITSELF AND TO SHOW THEMSELVES AS THE MODEL FAMILY. THAT WORKS WONDER FULLY WELL IF YOU DON'T HAVE, WELL, A RABID POP AZ E. SO THAT WORKED REASONABLE WELL. THEN I GUESS THE GLOVES CAME OFF. WE ALL SAW THE FEEDING FRENZY THAT SURROUNDED PRINCESS DIANA. I THINK THAT PEOPLE WHEN THEY START TO SEE THESE ARE REAL PEOPLE, THE MONARCHY LOSES LUSTER AND THEREFORE THE SYMBOL ISN'T AS POTENT AS IT ONCE WAS. I THINK. THE OTHER QUESTION FOR ME IS

Mary says INTERESTING BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE SAYING THAT PART OF THE MYSTERY DOES GET LOST BECAUSE IF THEY MOVE INTO CURRENT TIMES, IF THEY WANT TO BECOME RELEVANT, THEY ARE ASKED TO BE A DIFFERENT THING THAN WHICH WERE BEFORE, WHICH WAS BEING BEHIND A WALL, BEING MYSTERIOUS.

Matt says WELL, CERTAINLY THE LUSTER HAS COME OFF THE MONARCHY. I KNOW... I CAN'T SPEAK FOR BRITAIN BUT I DO HAVE TO WONDER AT THIS POINT HOW RELEVANT THE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY IS TO NEW CANADIANS. CANADA IS A DI VERSUS NATION AN ITS NOT THE COUNTRY IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO M I HAVE TO WONDER, TALKING TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW MY OWN AGE GROUP, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF THOUGHT GIVEN TO HOW THE ROYAL FAMILY EFFECTS THEM AND THEIR LIVES.

Mary says INTERESTING. I HEARD A REPORT FROM SAYING THEY WERE GETTING NEW MEMBERSHIP FROM THE YOUNGER GROUP OF CANADIANS, WHICH SURPRISED ME.

Matt says IT SHOULDN'T. EVERY PUBLIC OPINION POLL GOING BACK 25 YEARS, 30 YEARS, THE STRONGEST SUPPORT FOR THE MONARCHY IS ALWAYS AMONG OLDER CANADIANS AND YOUNGER CANADIANS. THE WEAKEST IS IN THE MIDDLE AGE GROUP. SO WHEN I WAS UNDER 30, THE UNBER 30s WERE THE STRONG. NOW I'M IN THE 30 TO 50 CATEGORY BUT UNDER 30 IS STILL THE STRONGEST.

Mary says WHAT IS THE AT TRACTION FOR THEM?

Matt says THE SOAP OPERA.

Garry says I DISAGREE. HE IS SIN CALL.

Matt says I AM.

Mary says I THINK YOUNG PEOPLE ARE MORE IDEALISTIC AND THEY SEE THE VIRTUES, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MONARCHY.

Matt says THIS IS GENERATION X.

[OVERLAPPING VOICES]

Garry says YOUNG PEOPLE OF ALL GENERATIONS. WHEN YOU ARE YOUNG, YOU HAVE DREAMS AND YOU SEE THE MONARCHY AS PART OF THAT. WHEN YOU ARE OLDER, YOU ARE MORE NO, SIR TALL JIK... NO, SIR TALL JIK. I THINK CANADIANS AND OLD PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE PHASE. I THINK ITS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER. THESE ARE FEELINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ABOUT EVERY INSTITUTION. ITS NOT LIKE CANADIANS SAY WE QUESTION THE MONARCHY BUT NOTHING ELSE. CANADA IS BEING QUESTIONED, WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS GOING TO BE A CANADA. OUR RELATIONS WITH THE AMERICANS. I THINK THAT MAKES THE MONARCHY MORE RELEVANT. AFTER SEPTEMBER 11TH, A LOT OF CANADIANS SEEM TO WANT TO SURRENDER CAN DO TO THE UNITED STATES, THAT ALL THEY THINK CANADA MEANS IS KEEPING AN OPEN BORDER. THE MONARCHY WILL RE-ENFORCE OUR IDENTITY.

Mary says LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL. PENNY?

The Caller says HI. OH REQUEST. I HAPPEN TO BE A YOUNGER CANADIAN IN THE COUNTRY. MY QUESTION IS... IT SOUNDS STUPID... WHAT DOES THE QUEEN DO WHAT ARE THE DUTIES? WHAT I SEE SHE TRAVELS AROUND WAVING HER HAND. WHAT ARE THE DUTIES SHE DOES? MAYBE IT WOULD HELP YOUNGER CANADIANS APPRECIATE HER AND HER JOB.

Mary says EXCELLENT QUESTION.

Garry says HARD TO ANSWER IN A COUPLE SECONDS. BUT SHE IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COUNTRY, OF THE STATE. THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE ITS A NON PARTISAN HEAD OF STATE. IN SOME COUNTIES THE ELECTED PRESIDENT IS THE HEAD OF STATE. IN OUR COUNTRY, THE ELECTED PRIME MINISTER IS THE HEAD OF GOVERNMENT AND THE QUEEN SYMBOLIZES THE WHOLE COUNTRY. IT MATTERS... SOMEONE SAID THE IMPORTANCE OF THE QUEEN IS NOT SO MUCH THE POWER SHE HOLDS, ITS THE POWER SHE DENIES TO OTHER. I THINK WE SEE THAT IN THE UNITED STATES, I'M NOT TRYING TO CRITICIZE THE UNITED STATES BUT AMERICANS ONLY REALLY RALLY AROUND THE PRESIDENT WHEN THEY HAVE AN EXTERNAL ENEMY. AND THAT CAN BE DANGEROUS. BUSH WAS NOT POPULAR. PEOPLE QUESTIONED HIM. THEN THE WAR CAME AND EVERYONE HAS RALLIED TO HIM. BECAUSE HE IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE MILITARY. UNLESS YOU ARE AT WAR ALL THE TIME, HOW DO YOU CREATE THAT SENSE OF UNITY? THAT IS WHAT THE QUEEN DOES. SHE IS POLITICAL CLI NEUTRAL. MY MOTHER USED TO TALK ABOUT SEEING THE KING VISIT. INDIVIDUALS CAN RELATE TO THEIR OWN HISTORY TO THE ROYAL HISTORY. SO ITS HARD TO QAUPT FI BUT ITS...

[OVERLAPPING VOICES].

Mary says YOU ARE TALKING IN UNCLEAR CLEAR TERMS. I THINK WHAT THE CALLER IS ASKING, WHAT DOES SHE DO. POLITICALLY, WHAT CAN SHE DO?

Garry says WHAT SHE IS REPRESENTING, OPENING PARLIAMENT, CARRYING OUT THE PUB LIKE DUTIES. I WILL GIVE SOMETHING CONCRETE. WHEN THE QUEEN COMES TO CANADA, IN THEORY ALL CANADIANS SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. IN REALITY, FOR US IN TORONTO, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NOVA SCOTIA OR NEWFOUNDLAND. WHEN THE QUEEN COMES TO CANADA, GOES TO NNDZ, ITS COVERED BY THE MEDIA AND WE ARE TAKEN TO THOSE COMMUNITIES WITH THE QUEEN. SO SHE BRINGS THE COUNTRY TOGETHER IN A VERY SIMPLE WAY BY A ROYAL TOUR. WE DON'T GO TO THOSE COMMUNITIES OR THOSE PEOPLE DON'T COME TO TORONTO OR WHATEVER. SHE UNITS THE COUNTRY SIMPLY BY GOING THERE. PEOPLE MAY SAY WE SHOULD BE INTERESTED ANY WAY BUT WE WOULDN'T BE IF THE QUEEN WASN'T THERE.

Mary says SO YOU ARE SAYING THEN THAT BECAUSE ITS THE QUEEN GOING THERE, THAT MAKES MORE OF A DIFFERENCE THAN THE PRIME MINISTER OR SOME OTHER WELL KNOWN CANADIAN? EVEN THOUGH THAT WOULD BE COVERED.

Garry says IT WOULD NOT BE COVERED TO THE SAME DEGREE. IF THE PRIME MINISTER GOES, IT MIGHT GET A FEW MINUTES ON THE NEWS, DEPENDING ON WHY HE IS GOING. T SO, WHEN THE QUEEN GOES THERE, IT GETS COVERAGE ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND BRINGS THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNTRY TO A SMALL COMMUNITY. I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITIES UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY TIME THEY GET NATIONAL COVERAGE. TT PRIME MINISTERS AN POLITICIANS GO ALL THE TIME. WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT THAT.

Mary says SO THE BENEFIT IS SORT OF AN INDIRECT ONE.

Garry says YES. GEE... [OVERLAPPING VOICES] THE MONARCHY IS IN THE BACKGROUND CREATING THE FRAMEWORK UNDER WHICH WE WITH YOU LIVE OUR DAILY LIVES.

Mary says OKAY. ARE YOU CONVINCED?

A black and white picture shows the queen walking down a plane staircase.

Matt says I FEEL THAT, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST THE ROYAL FAMILY BUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU LAID IT OUT THERE, IT DOES SORT OF RAISE A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN MY MIND ABOUT HOW WELL CANADA IS WORKING AS A NATION. I GET THE FEELING THAT PERHAPS CANADA IS LIKE THE 25-YEAR-OLD THAT IS LIVING AT HOME WITH THE PARENTS. MAYBE ITS TIME WE MOVED OUT TOF THE PARENTS' BASEMENT AS A NATION AND GOT OUR OWN LIFE. GOT OUR OWN INSTITUTIONS. AGAIN, NOTHING AGAINST THE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY BUT THEY ARE THE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY.

Garry says I DISAGREE.

Mary says LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL. DOROTHY?

The Caller says HELLO, DEAR. I ADMIRE OUR QUEEN. SHE IS SO LOYAL TO FAMILY AND HER SUBJECTS. I THINK WE WOMEN CAN TAKE A BIG EXAMPLE. SHE HAS COME THROUGH A LOT OF PROBLEMS BUT KEPT HER CHIN HIGH. THE WAY SHE LOOKS AFTER HER DEAR MUM. STOOD BY THE BOYS, THAT IS A MOTHER'S JOB. SHE HAS REALLY SHOWN THAT SHE IS A REAL WOMAN IN MY ESTIMATION. THANK YOU.

Mary says THANK YOU FOR YOUR CALL. LET'S BRING ON THE REST OF THE FAMILY NOW. WE RONALD REAGAN TALKING ABOUT PRINCE PHILLIP EARLIER. HOW HAS HE FARED THROUGH THE YEARS?

Matt says I LIKE PRINCE PHILLIP. I FIND HIM FASCINATING. HE SAYS SILLY THINGS BUT HE IS REAL. HE IS HUMAN. THERE ISN'T A GROUP, REALLY, THAT HE HASN'T ALIENATED AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. [LAUGHTER] HE SPEAKS HIS MIND. HE IS FAR AND AWAY THE MOST INTELLIGENT MEMBER OF THE ROYAL FAMILY.

Garry says I AGREE THAT PRINCE PHILLIP IS AN EXCEPTIONAL PERSON. IF HE HAD NOT BEEN MARRIED TO THE QUEEN, WHATEVER CAREER HE PURSUED HE WOULD HAVE RISEN TO THE TOP.

Mary says SO HAS HE HAD TO PUT THAT EXCEPTIONAL QUALITY IN CHECK THEN BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN THE SECOND PERSON?

Garry says IN CHECK OR REDIRECTED IT, YES. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THE QUEEN CAME TO THE THRONE HE HAD TO GIVE UP HIS NAVAL CAREER. THE KING LIVED ANOTHER 15 YEARS, THEN FIP LITTLE WOULD HAVE CONTINUED IN HIS NAVAL CAREER AS THE HUS P BAN OF THE PRINCESS. BUT AS HUSBAND OF THE QUEEN, HE HAD TO ABANDON HIS CAREER AND REINVENT HIMSELF. SO HE HAD TO FINE AWAY TO CHANNEL IT IN A NON POLITICAL WAY THAT WOULD NOT UNDER MINE HIS WIFE. IT... I THINK HE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB. AT THE SAME TIME, HE SPEAKS HIS MIND, DOESN'T SUFFER FOOLS GLADLY. HE IS FAIR. [INAUDIBLE] HE HAS MANAGED TO IP ASSAULT EVERYBODY AT SOME POINT. HE IS NOT BIASED ABOUT ANYONE.

A colour picture shows Elizabeth and the king on their wedding day.

Mary says IS THAT ALSO WHY HE HAS BEEN A SUPPORTER OF ROYALS WORKING? BECAUSE HE HAD TO GIVE UP

Garry says I THINK SO. YEAH.

Matt says LET'S NOT FORGET THE COMMENTS THAT HE MADE IN CANADA IN 1969. WE TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS THAT HE HAS HAD WORDS ABOUT. HE HIPS SAID IF THE MONARCHY ISN'T WORKING FOR CANADA, LET'S END IT BUT LET'S END IT FRIENDLY. WE ARE NOT HERE FOR OUR HEALTH, IS WHAT HE SAID. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DO THAT BUT A DIALOGUE MIGHT BE HELPFUL. WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO AS CANADIANS?

A colour picture shows Queen Elizabeth walking outdoors at an event.

Garry says THE DIALOGUE... YOU KNOW, WE MADE THE CHOICES. THIS IS WHERE... YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE PRINT. THE MONARCHY DOESN'T EXIST FOR THEIR SAKE. THE MONARCHY EXISTS FOR THE PEOPLE'S SAKE. OUR MONARCHY HAVE BEEN CREATED BY CANADIANS, FATHERS OF CONFEDERATION, LIGHT THROUGH... CANADIANS HAVE BEEN... THE MON AR QUESTION IS IS... MONARCHY IS NOT JUST THE QUEEN. THE MONARCHY IS THE QUEEN AND THE PEOPLE. WE HAVE PART OF THE MONARCHY. CANADA IS A MONARCHY. JUST LIKE THE UNITED STATES IS A REPUBLIC. CANADA IS A MONARCHY. WE HAVE CREATED ALL THIS. SO WHAT MOTIVATED SIR JOHN A MCDONALD TO FOUND CANADA WAS HIS BELIEF IN THE MONARCHY. THAT IS WHAT HE SAID. THAT WAS THE PURPOSE, BELIEF IN MONARCHY. ITS CARRYING CANADIANS THROUGH. SO THE MONARCHY IS A DECREE YIGS OF CANADA.

Matt says DECREE YIGS OF 19th CENTURY CANADA.

Mary says OKAY, OKAY. JOYCE IS ON THE LINE.

The Caller says I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU KNOW WHEN THE MONARCHY, ANY MEMBER OF THE ROYAL FAMILY COMES TO VISIT CANADA, WHO PAYS FOR THAT?

Garry says WHEN THEY ARE IN CANADA, CANADA PAYS FOR THE EXPENSES. CANADA PAYS IN CANADA, THE UNITED KINGDOM PAY NS THE UK. EVERY COUNTRY LOOKS AFTER ITS OWN EXPENSES.

Mary says OKAY SO IF THEY ARE INVITED ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, OTHER THAN...

Garry says ITS ON WHOSE BEHALF THEY ARE GOING. IF THE QUEEN WERE GOING TO THE UNITED STATES AS QUEEN OF THE UK, THE BRITISH PAY. IF THE QUEEN WERE GOING TO THE UNITED STATES ON CANADIAN DUTIES, CANADA PAYS FOR IT.

Mary says DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE HOW MUCH THE ROYAL VIS STS COST?

Garry says THE TOTAL COST OF THE MONARCHY IN CANADA, ANY VISITS, THE GOVERNOR GENERAL, EVERYTHING, IS ABOUT 1 DOLLAR PER PERSON PER YEAR. IN OTHER WORDS 30 MILLION DOLLARS. IN THE UNITED STATES, MY COMPARISON, THE PRESIDENCY WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE THE GOVERNORS, THE PRESIDENT IS 5 dollars PER PERSON. 150 MILLION DOLLARS OR SOMETHING. MORE THAN THAT. 500 MILLION dollars. THE COST OF THE INAUGURATION OF THE PRESIDENT IS MORE THAN THE COST OF THE MONARCHY

Mary says ARE WE GOING TO COMPARE THE PRIME MINISTER WITH THE PRESIDENT? MATT?

Matt says I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS BEING SPENT ON ROYAL VISITS. I MP3, I THINK WE GET OUR MONEY'S WORTH. I... I DON'T WANT TO SAY PROBLEM... I GUESS... I... I AM LOOKING BEYOND THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE OVERALL STRATEGY FOR THE FUTURE? HOW IS IT SHAPING UP FOR THE 21st CENTURY? I LOVE HISTORY. BUT I DO THINK THAT CANADA'S DRIFTING NOW. ITS MORE THAN JUST THE MONARCHY. THERE IS REALLY A SENSE THAT THERE IS REALLY SOMETHING WRONG IN THIS COUNTRY. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT IS STRUCTURED.

Garry says I THINK... I THINK WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS E... ITS NOT A DIFFERENT OF MONARCHY VERSUS NON IS WE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS AS TO WHAT IS CANADIAN. I LOOK... I LOOK AT THE MONARCHY AS CANADIAN. THE BOOK DESCRIBES HOW THE MONARCHY IS A CANADIAN INSTITUTION. WE START BY SAYING CANADA IS A MAJESTIC LAND. SO FOR ME ITS PART OF WHAT I DEFINE OOZE A CANADIAN.

Mary says BUT NOT PART OF HIS

[OVERLAPPING VOICES].

Garry says TO ME WHAT I DEFINE AS CANADIAN INCLUDES WHAT THE ROYAL FAMILY IS. MATT DOESN'T. SO ITS REFLECTING THE DIFFERENT VIEWS IN CANADA AS TO WHAT IS A CANADIAN.

Mary says LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FAMILY AS WELL. I'M WONDERING, THE ROYALTY IS ALWAYS IN THE NEWS, WHETHER THE MEDIA, EVERY MOVE THEY MAKE IS IN THE NEWS. DOES PUBLIC OPINION MATTER TO THE QUEEN? DOES IT MATTER MUCH TO THE QUEEN WHAT IS WRITTEN ABOUT HER?

Garry says YES AND NO. IF YOU MEAN DOES SHE LOOK AT THE LATEST POLLS OR WATCH THE NEWSPAPERS EVERY DAY, NO. IF BY PUBLIC OPINION, WHAT THE PUBLIC IN A BROAD SENSE FEELS ABOUT SOMETHING, YES. FOR INSTANCE AFTER DIANA'S DEATH, YEAH, THE QUEEN SAID AND HAS [INAUDIBLE] THIS COMES... THE ROYAL FAMILY HAD ALWAYS SEEN THAT DEALING WITH EMOTIONS IN PUBLIC WAS NOT WHAT ONE DEZ. YOU KEEP THAT TO YOURS. AT THAT ONE TIME THAT WAS THE WAY MOST PEOPLE REACTED. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED. PEOPLE LIKE A MORE UB PICK-PUBLIC EXPRESS OF GRIEF. THAT HAS A GOOD SIDE AN A EXTREME SIDE. ON SOME SHOWS IN THE UNITED STATES, EVERYTHING IS HANGING OUT [INAUDIBLE] BUT THE WORLD HAS MOVED THAT WAY. THE ROYAL FAMILY HADN'T. DIANA'S DEATH SHOWED THAT, THE PUBLIC HAD A DIFFERENT WAY OF WHAT THEY EXPECT FRD THE QUEEN. YES, IN THAT CASE, THE ROYAL FAMILY WAS OUT OF STEP WITH THE PUBLIC. THE QUEEN THEN RECOGNIZED THAT. THAT PUBLIC OPINION DOES AFFECT THE QUEEN BECAUSE THE ROYAL FAMILY CAN NEVER BE TOO FAR SEPARATED FROM THE PEOPLE. THEY CAN'T TOO FAR AHEAD OF THEM IN TERMS OF PROGRESS. YOU CAN'T BE TOO FAR BEHIND. IT'S A TRICKY ACT THAT IF QOU GO TOO FAR FORWARD OR BEHIND WHAT THE GENERAL SOCIETY IS MOVING, THEN THE ROYAL FAMILY IS IN TROUBLE. IT'S DIFFICULT TO KEEP... YES

Mary says MATT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIPS SHE HAD WITH HER DAUGHTERS IN LAW?

A colour picture shows Charles and Diana on their wedding day.

Matt says I THINK THAT BEING BORN ROYAL, I THINK THAT IS THE FLAW IN ITSELF. IF YOU ARE BORN ROYAL, YOUR LIFE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF OTHER PEOPLES. IT CAN'T BE OTHERWISE. I THINK THAT AT SOME POINT IN YOUR LIFE IF YOU ARE BORN, SAY, TO THE THRONE, YOU WILL BEGIN TO CONFUSE AN ACT OF BIRTH WITH REAL MERIT. I THINK THAT IS THE CENTRAL FLAW IN MONARCHY. PUTTING THAT ASIDE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ADD THE SCRUTINY OF THE PRESS, THE UNPRECEDENTED LAST TEN YEARS, BOY, ITS TOUGH TO KEEP THE THING TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS CERTAINLY A PERIOD IN THE EARLY 90s WHERE EVERY DAY IT WAS ONE SCANDAL AFTER ANOTHER. THE QUEEN ROSE ABOVE IT. YOU KNOW, SHE MANAGED TO KEEP SOME... WELL... SOME AMOUNT OF PRESTIGE. THE SYMBOL IS STILL INTACT. WHERE I DEFER IS I LOOK AT THEM AS A BRITISH INSTITUTION.

[OVERLAPPING VOICES].

Mary says LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL. HI.

The Caller says HI. I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT. ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY, IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A LITTLE BIT IN THE DISCUSSIONS THERE IN TERMS OF CONNECTING TO HISTORY. THE QUESTIONS IS WHAT HISTORY? WHAT TYPE OF HISTORY? TO WHICH CANADIANS? IN ALL THE DISCUSSIONS I HAVE YET TO HEAR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SLAVERY, WHEN MATT WAS TALKING ABOUT CANADIANS AND NEW CANADIANS, NOT JUST NEW CANADIANS BUT IF YOU LOOK AT A SECTION OF RACE, IMMIGRATION, FIRST NATIONS PEOPLE, I THINK THE TYPE OF RELEVANCE WOULD BE DIFFERENT. FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THOSE GROUPS, EVEN NEGATIVE. THAT IS NOT DISCUSSED AT ALL IN THE PROGRAMS. ITS LIKE A SY LEANT ASPECT OF THE ROYAL FAMILY. SHREK ZIVE REFLECTIONS ON CERTAIN ASPECTS OF HISTORY, NOT THE WHOLE PICTURE. WHY IS THAT? WHY IS THERE STILL SILENCING? WHY ARE WE AFRAID TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PICTURE?

Matt says I DON'T THINK ITS A CONSPIRACY. I THINK THAT WHILE THE FUTURE IS VERY IMPORTANT, THE PAST IS EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT IN MY VIEW. I DON'T THINK THAT THE ROYAL FAMILY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, SLAVERY OR SOME OF THE PAST ILLS. BUT THE CALLER RAISES AN INTERESTING POINT ABOUT REL VAN SI TO PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING FROM PLACES OUTSIDE WHAT USED TO BE CALLED THE BRITISH COMMONWEALTH. I DON'T SEE THAT SOMEBODY COMING FROM ROMANIA HAS THE SAME APPRECIATION OF THAT. MAYBE THEY SHOULD.

[OVERLAPPING VOICES].

Garry says I THINK ITS TRUE. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES. SOME OF US DO ---I ---I AM NOT TRY TO GO PUT MYSELF FORWARD BUT THERE ARE... ISSUES... THE ROYAL FAMILY WAS ALWAYS ON THE ROG PRESS... PROGRESS I'VE SIDE ON QUESTIONS OF RACE RELATIONS. THE QUEEN'S REPRESENTATION... THE FAMILY WAS HORRIFIED WHEN THEY WENT TO SOUTH AFRICA IN 1947 AND THEY WEREN'T ALLOWED TO SPEAK OH THE BLACK SUBJECTS. THE QUEEN IS WELL RESPECTED IN AFRICA BECAUSE SHE HAS ALWAYS WORKED AGAINST DISCRIMINATION.

[OVERLAPPING VOICES].

Mary says WHOSE HISTORY? THERE ARE MANY HISTORY. NATIVE PEOPLE. WHERE DOES THE QUEEN SPEAK TO THEM?

Garry says SHE HAS ALWAYS HAD A SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE NATIVES OF CANADA. MATT'S POINT ABOUT PEOPLE FROM OTHER LANDS, MY GRANDPARENTS OF IMMIGRANTS THAN ITALY. SO I HAVE MORE THAN YOU... I DON'T KNOW... THE PERSON WHO IS QUESTIONING THE MONARCHY HAS A NAME RICHARDSON AND THE PERSON WHO IS SDE MENDING IT HAS THE NAME GARRY TOFFOLI. [LAUGHTER]
says MY GRANDMOTHER DRAGGED ME TO SEE THE QUEEN AND THAT IS HOW I WAS INTRODUCED, BY MY GRANDMOTHER.

Mary says THIS WAS A INTERESTING DISCUSSION. THANKS FOR BEING A PART OF IT. GARRY TOFFOLI IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CANADIAN ROYAL HERITAGE TRUST. MATT RICHARDSON IS THE WRITER OF THE ROYAL BOOK OF LISTS.
WE WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE WINNERS OF THE BOOKS, PENNY, DOROTHY, MARY. STAY WITH US. AFTER THIS BREAK, WE WILL VISIT WITH THE FORMER FIGURE SKATING QUEEN, DEBBI WILKES.

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Back in the studio, Mary says OKAY. NOW WE HAVE MORE ROYALTY TO TALK ABOUT, THIS TIME ON ICE. THE 19th WINTER OLYMPICS GAMES ARE SET TO BEGIN IN SALT LAKE CITY THIS FRIDAY. OF ALL THE COMPETITIONS THAT WILL BE TELEVISED, THE SKATING PERFORMANCES ARE ALWAYS A FAVORITE. HERE TO TELL AUS ABOUT THE REIGNING KINGS AN QUEENS OF THE SPORTS AN EXPLAIN THEIR TREEKS ARE DEBBI WILKES. SHE WAS THE 1964 SILVER MEDALIST IN PAIRS SKATING WITH HER LATE PARTNER GUY.

Debbi is in her forties, with short wavy blond hair. She's wearing a red turtleneck sweater.

Mary continues HI.

Debbi says HOW ARE YOU.

Mary says FINE THANKS. YOU ARE LEAVE TO GO GO?

The caption changes to "Debbi Wilkes. Former Olympian."

Debbi says YES I AM. CTV IS NOT TELEVISING THE OLYMPICS, WHICH IS SO DEVASTATING WHEN YOU FOLLOW SKATING THROUGH THE WHOLE SEASON AND CAN'T DO THE OLYMPIC GAMES BUT I AM GOING DOWN WITH A GIRLFRIEND. WE ARE GOING TO SEE THE PAIRS AN MEN'S EVENTS. CAN'T WAIT.

Mary says SO IN THE SKATING, WHO ARE OUR BEST MEDAL HOPES THERE IN SALT LAKE CITY?

Debbi says I WOULD HAVE TO SAY WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM, WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COME OUT AND I THINK REALISTICALLY PREDICT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN. I THINK THE BEST MEDAL HOPE IS WITH THE PAIR TEAM OF JAMIE AND DAVID, THE DEFENDING WORLD CHAMPIONS 8 I THINK THEY LOOK VERY GOOD COMING IN AS THE WORLD CHAMPIONS IS A NICE PLACE TO BE. I WOULD HAVE TO SAY ALSO OUR CANADIAN DANCE CHAMPIONS ARE BACK FOR THEIR PROBABLY LAST OLYMPICS. THEY ARE ALSO LOOKING VERY GOOD FOR A MEDAL. I'M DELIGHTED TO SAY THAT ELVIS STROI CO ALSO, ALTHOUGH ITS BEEN A AWFUL FOUR YEARS FOR HIM, HE IS BACK. HE IS IN FULL FORM. HE HAS ABSOLUTELY CHANGED THE DYNAMIC OF THE MEN'S COMPETITION SINCE COMPETING IN HAMILTON LAST MONTH.

Mary says WHAT HAPPENED?

Debbi says IT LOOKS LIKE SUDDENLY HIS BODY CAME TOGETHER. HE IS HEALTHY, FIT, PREPARED MENTALLY. HE HAS HAD SOME GOOD COMPETITIVE TIME ON THE ICE IN THE LAST SEASON. ALL OF THAT... DOESN'T MATTER HOW TALENTED YOU ARE, WHAT YOU CAN DO IN PRACTICE AN WHAT HAPPENS DURING AN EVENT CAN BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. ITS ABOUT NOWING HOW TO COMPETE. CERTAINLY HE IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST COMPETITORS I HAVE EVER MET. ONE OF THE MOST INSPIRING IN TERMS OF PERSONALITIES AP DETERMINATION.

Mary says NOW, YOU SAY THAT IT CAN BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT BALL GAME GOING FROM THE PRACTICE TO THE EVENT. WHAT ABOUT GOING FROM AN EVENT TO AN EVENT? YOU SAY THE PAIRS COUPLE JUST WON THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP. NOW THEY ARE GOING INTO THE OLYMPICS. IS THERE A BIG DIFFERENCE?

Debbi says ITS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, MARY. ITS KIND OF WEIRD BECAUSE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS AND THE OLYMPICS GAMES HAVE ALL THE SAME COMPETITORS, FATESING THE SAME PEOPLE, THE SAME SITUATIONS, THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES, THE SAME REQUIREMENTS, YET YOU PUT THAT THE WORD IN FRONT OF THE EVENT AND ITS LIKE THE ROOF GOES OFF. I THINK YOUR EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT WHAT YOU ACHIEVE, THE PRESSURE YOU ARE UNDER IS WAY, WAY BIGGER THAN A WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

Mary says YOU WERE THERE. YOU SAW THE SAME PEOPLE AT THE WORLDS, THEN THE OLYMPICS AND EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENT? EVERYBODY IS FEELING DIFFERENT?

Debbi says YES. THERE IS A CERTAIN EDGE. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE ITS ONLY EVERY FOUR YEARS. MAYBE ITS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT JUST A SKATER THERE, YOU ARE AN ATHLETES WITH HUNDREDS OF OTHER ATHLETES. THERE IS A PRESTIGE TO THE OLYMPICS GAMES. THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY INVOLVED IF YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL. I THINK THAT THAT CREATES A WHOLE DIFFERENT CAT. I THINK TO SKATERS, DEFINITELY THE SKATERS AND ANY OTHER ATHLETE WOULD TELL YOU ITS A VERY INTENSE COUPLE WEEKS.

Mary says WELL WHAT ABOUT MICHELLE KWAN? SHE HAS BEEN GRABBING HEADLINES LATELY. I READ YOUR COLUMN ABOUT HER.

[LAUGHTER]

Debbi says I'M A BIG FAN OF MICHELLE'S. I HAVE FELT IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS THAT SOMETHING HAS BEEN HOLDING HER BACK. WHETHER IT WAS SUDDENLY HER REALIZING AFTER SUCH EARLY SUCCESS, SKATING IS MY JOB. COMING TO TERMS WITH THAT IS A HUGE HURDLE FOREVER AN ATHLETE TO CROSS. WHEN IS IS AN ARTISTIC SPORT, THERE IS A CONCERN HONESTY THAT COMES IN PERFORMANCE, WHICH IF IT ISN'T REALLY THERE, YOUR AUDIENCE KNOWS YOU ARE FAKING. I THINK SHE HAS BEEN FAKING. NOT OUT OF... NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING BAD BUT SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK SHE FELT SHE WAS ON A COURSE THAT SOMEHOW... IT WAS CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. NOW SUDDENLY IN THE FALL SHE DECIDED SHE WAS GOING TO FIRE HER LONG-TIME COACH. SHE FIRED THE CHOREOGRAPHY. SHE DECIDED TO GO ON HER OWN. THE SKATING WORLD WIZ SHOCKED. THIS ISN'T WHAT HAPPENS. BUT SHE REALIZED SHE HAD TO DO SOMETHING MAJOR IF SHE WAS GOING TO BECOME A OLYMPICS CHAMPION. SHE DIDN'T WANT THE SAME THING TO HAPPEN TO HER THIS YEAR THAT HAPPENED IN 98.

Mary says LET'S MOVE ON TO TALK ABOUT, FOR US ARM CHAIR ATHLETES AT HOME, WHEN WE ARE WATCHING, WHAT ARE THOSE KEY JUMPS THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR? WE ALWAYS WAIT FOR THOSE JUMPS.

Debbi says I KNOW. IT CAN BE VERY hard FOR THE UNTRAINED EYE TO BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH JUMPS. LET'S START OUT WITH GENERAL THINGS THAT YOU KA WATCH FOR. THERE ARE ONLY SIX JUMPS. T GENERALLY SPEAKING. THERE MAY BE A FEW THINGS THEY MAKE UP. GENERALLY THERE ARE SIX JUMPS. THREE ARE EDGE JUMPS, THREE ARE TOE JUMPS. WHAT MAKES THE DISTINCTION IS ON AN EDGE JUMP, ITS DONE WITHOUT THE USE OF A TOE PICK STABBING THE ICE. THE TOE JUMPS USE IT. SO THEY STAB IN AND PULL THEMSELVES UP OVER THE TOE PICK BEFORE THEY ROTATE.

Mary says IS ONE EASIER THAN THE OTHER?

Debbi says DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL. SOME PEOPLE PREFER TOE JUMPS, SOME PREFER EDGE JUMPEDS. GENERALLY SPEAKING, EDGE JUMPS ARE MORE DIFFICULT.

Mary says WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT JUMP, GENERALLY?

Debbi says THERE ARE A COUPLE NAMES YOU WILL KNOW. THE MOST DIFFICULT IS THE AX EL. IT IS AN EDGE JUMP. IF YOU ARE JUST BEGINNING, ITS ONE THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JUMPS. ITS THE ONLY JUMP THAT TAKES OFF FORWARD.

Mary says RIGHT. IS THAT THE DIFFICULTY? IS THE DIFFICULTY IN TAKING OFF FORWARD SFWH.

Debbi says ITS HEART OF THE DIFFICULTY. AN AXEL LZ HAS A EXTRA HALF-ROTATION. A DOUBLE AXEL IS NOT TWO ROTATIONS, ITS 2 and a half. SO YOU ARE GOING FROM FORWARD TO BACKWARD, WHEREAS ALL OTHER JUMPS GO FROM BACKWARD TO BACKWARD.

Mary says UP TO TRIPLE NOW?

Debbi says THERE ARE SOME QUADS. NOT IN AXELS.

Mary says TRIPLE AXELS. IS A QUAD POSSIBLE? HOW MUCH CAN THE BODY DO?

[LAUGHTER]

Debbi says THEY SAY, THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE FINAL FRONTIER. THEN LO AND BEHOLD SOME WHIPPER SNAPPER COMES UP AND DOES ONE. SO I'M NOT PUTTING ANY... I'M NOT CLOSING ANY DOORS ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES THE HUMAN BODY CAN ROTATE. I HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY BAFFLED AT HOW SKATERS DO IT THESE DAYS. DOUBLES WAS A BIG DEAL FOR ME.
[LAUGHTER]

Mary says NOW ITS TRIPLE AXELS AND QUAD TOE LOOPS.

Debbi says YES. WE ARE HEARING THE ODD RUSLE OF A QUAD WILL YOU TELL US... LUTV. SGLZ

Mary says IS THE OLYMPICS A TIME TO DO SOMETHING RECORD-BREAKING OR NOT FOR A SKATER?

Debbi says IF I WAS A SKATER WITH A MEDAL ON THE LINE FOR THE OLYMPICS, IF I WAS A CONTENDER, I WOULD NOT BE TRYING NEW STUFF. I WOULD GO WITH WHAT IS TRIED AN TRUE. BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING THE WINNERS ARE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ABLE TO PUT IN THREE CONSISTENT PERFORMANCES. STAND UP, DO IT CLEANLY, TAKE... YOU HAVE TO TAKE CHANCES, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I WOULDN'T TRY SOMETHING NEW. OTHERS ARE MORE DARING THAN I AM.

Mary says I'M SURE WE WILL SEE THOSE AT THE OLYMPICS. YOU WILL TOO. THANKS FOR COMING IN.

Debbi says PLEASURE.

Mary says DEBBI WILKES IS A FORMER OLYMPICS CHAMPION, A MEMBER OF THE FIGURE SKATING HALL OF FAME.

A slate reads "Debbi Wilkes' Column, www.tsn.ca/debbiwilkes."

Mary continues PEAKING OF SKATING, MANY FIRST-TIME PARENTS ARE IN SFOR A SLIPPERY RIDE. WHILE NO ONE IS PREPARED, HAVING A PREMATURE BABY CAN BE FRIGHTENING. PLANET PARENT peeked INTO THE FIRST FEW MONTHS OF EMMA WHO JOINED THE FAMILY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "Video diary."
In the clip, a woman walks a young toddler.

A caption reads "Emma Mackenzie. 15 months."

She picks Emma up.

A caption reads "Elizabeth Mackenzie. Emma's Mom."

Elizabeth is in her twenties and has wavy dark hair.

A young man with short dark hair holds Emma.

A caption reads "Robert Mackenzie. Emma's Dad."

In a clip taken at the hospital, a caption reds "Emma, 4 days old."

Elizabeth says WE HAD OUR BABY GIRL. ITS A GIRL. A HEALTHY PREGNANCY, DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT. ONE DAY MY WHAT THEY ARE BROKE AND I WAS FIVE MONTHS PREGNANT. THEY DON'T KNOW WHY IT HAPPENS BUT YOU HAVE TO GO ON BED REST. THE BABY WAS BORN 10 WEEKS EARLY. THE DAY SHE WAS BORN, SHE CRASHED. HER LUNGS WERE SO DELICATE, BY PUTTING THE TUBES, DAMAGE WAS DONE. THE LUNG DISEASE IS A RESULT OF AFTER HER BIRTH.

Robert says THEY WHEELED HER INTO THE ROOM SO SHE COULD SAY GOODBYE. THEY TOOK PICTURES, SO IT DIDN'T LOOK GOOD.

At the hospital, Elizabeth says THEY THINK SHE IS GOING TO survive.

Elizabeth says WHEN THEY TOLD US WE COULD HOLD HER THE FIRST TIME, THE MONITORS WERE BEEPING. THEY PUT HER IN MY ARMS AND IT WAS SO AMAZING.

Robert says IT FELT UNREAL THAT WE WERE BRINGING HER INTO THE HOUSE.

Elizabeth says IT WAS FRIGHTENING. I WAS SCARED. THERE WAS SO MUCH TO DO. SHE WAS STILL ON OXYGEN. IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY ABOVE AND BE HONORED BEING FIRST-TIME PARENTS. OH BOY, TO HAVE HER FINALLY, AFTER ALL THAT TIME? BECAUSE OF HER LUNG DISEASE, ITS MADE DAY TODAY THINGS MORE COMPLICATED FOR US. IF SHE DOES GET SICK, EVEN A MILD COLD, IT COULD BE DAMAGING FOR HER. SO WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO KIND OF BE MORE CAREFUL. WE ARE CONSTANTLY WIPING HER HANDS. WE WASH OUR HANDS CONSTANTLY. JUST TRY TO KEEP HER ENVIRONMENT AS CLEAN AS WE CAN. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THAT AN NOT HAVE IT CHANGE YOU PROFOUNDLY. WE DON'T HAVE ANY BASIS TO COMPARE IT TO BECAUSE THIS IS A FIRST CHILD FOR US BUT I JUST FEEL WE MUST BE DIFFERENT PARENTS THAN WHAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN.

Robert says THE NEED TO PROTECT WERE WAS GREATER MAYBE FOR US.

At home, a worried Elizabeth says PRETTY SURE SHE IS GETTING A COLD. T ITS SCARY FOR ME. I KNOW ITS PROBABLY NOTHING. NO BIG DEAL BUT I JUST CAN'T HELP BUT WORRY. ITS FUNNY BECAUSE EVEN AS I'M SAYING THIS, I'M THINKING ITS SILLY. ITS JUST A COLD. WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? BUT I CAN'T HELP IT. SHE IS JUST BEEN PROVING DAY BY DAY SHE IS A HEALTHY LITTLE GIRL. BUT I'M THINKING THAT...

Emma coughs.

Elizabeth says HEAR THAT COUGHING?

Robert says I THINK SHE IS BETTER, RIGHT, THAN YESTERDAY? THE NOSE IS RUN ANY. DEFINITELY BETTER THOUGH.

Elizabeth says I WAS SCARED YESTERDAY. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, SHE SEEMED... IT SEEMED SHE WAS GETTING SICK, GETTING WORSE. I AM FEELING... WELL I'M THINKING I CAN HANDLE THIS. SHE IS FINE.

As clips show Emma having fun in a playground covered in dry leaves, Elizabeth says
HER SOCIAL LIFE IS I THINK DEVELOPING MORE NOW BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING HER TO THE PARK, ALLOWING HER TO PLAY WITH THE OTHER CHILDREN, STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT SHE HAS BEEN FORTUNATE IN THE SENSE THAT MY NIECE, HER COUSIN, IS ONLY FOUR MONTHS OLDER THAN HER. ALSO A VERY HEALTHY CHILD. WE HAVE RECENTLY TAKEN HER TO THE STORE FOR THE SECOND TIME.

Fast clips show the family shopping for groceries.

Robert says I WASN'T AS NERVOUS ABOUT HER TOUCHING THINGS. WE STILL TRY TO STOP HER FROM LIKING THE CART BUT ITS GETTING EASIER TO BRING HER INTO THE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE NORMALLY TAKE THEIR KIDS. I'M NOT AS RELAXED AS I WOULD LIKE TO BE BUT I'M MORE RELAXED THAN I WAS A YEAR AGO. THE HOLIDAY PARTY FOR US THIS YEAR WAS A BIG STEP. OBVIOUSLY WE SKIPPED ALL THE FAMILY FUNCTIONS LAST YEAR. RT ARE TRYING AS PARENTS TO LET GO, RELAX.

Elizabeth says SHE HAS BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH. SHE FOUGHT HARD IN THE BEGINNING. I THINK THAT WILL SHOW UP IN HER CHARACTER AS SHE GROWS OLDER. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT SHE WILL JUST BE A FANTASTIC LITTLE GIRL AND GROW UP TO BE A SPECIAL WOMAN.

(Uplifting music plays)
Fast clips show the couple playing with Emma.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Mary says YOU CAN SEE PLANET PARENT EVERY WEDNESDAY NIGHT ON TVO.
THAT IS IT FOR TODAY. TOMORROW, WE LOOK AT THE OFTEN DEADLY CONSEQUENCES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. DO OUR LAWS FULLY PROTECT WOMEN?

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