Transcript: Stains, Horse Whisperer, Medical "Night-Time Numbnes | Nov 13, 2001

(music plays)

A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Life. Words spin against a red and orange background: Health, Family, Home, Money, Fitness, Life. Fast clips show images related to the previous concepts, such as a dollar bill, a wheat field, and strands of DNA.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Mary Ito sits in a studio with textured yellow walls and the logo of the show in the background, which reads "More to life."

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a blue blouse, a beaded necklace and silver hoop earrings.

Mary says HELLO. I'M MARY ITO. WELCOME TO "MORE TO LIFE." THE HOLIDAY SEASON CAN BE A LAUNDRY OF MARCHING OUT CLOTHES, TABLECLOTHS. WHEN THE PARTY IS OVER IT IS A VIRTUAL WAR ZONE. YOU HAVE GRAVY LUMPS, ANGRY CRANBERRY STAINS. BEFORE YOU GET MORE PANICKED THAN LADY MACBETH PICK UP THE PHONE. MY GUEST TODAY IS KATHERINE CLEAVER. SHE'S AN EXPERT ON TEXTILES AND KNOWS THOU GET RID OF THAT DAMN SPOT.

Katherine is in her forties, with chin-length wavy brown hair. She's wearing glasses, a gray suit and a pink blouse.

Mary continues FORGIVE THE LANGUAGE. IT IS SHAKESPEARE. OR YOU ARE WONDERING WHEN DRY-CLEANING IS NECESSARY OR WANT TO GET THE STAIN OUT GIVE YOU A CALL. 484-2727 IN TORONTO. LONG DISTANCE TOLL-FREE AT 1-888-411-1234. WE'LL EVEN TAKE YOUR E-MAIL QUESTIONS AT MORETOLIFE@TVO.ORG.

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary continues WELCOME, KATHERINE.

Katherine says HI.

Mary says NOW, YOU KNOW, WE WERE SAYING TODAY... WOULD WE... WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO A SHOW ON LAUNDRY! WHAT KIND OF WARPED AND TWISTED MINDS DO SHOWS ON LAUNDRY?

The caption changes to "Katherine Cleaver. Textile, stain removal expert."

Katherine says WELL, I MEAN, EVERYBODY THINKS OF IT AS ONE OF THE LESSER ACTIVITIES IN LIFE. IN FACT IT CAN GO WRONG. AND IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. FOR THE FAMILY OF FOUR IT IS ESTIMATED THAT PEOPLE DO 10 LOADS OF LAUNDRY A WEEK. SOMETHING THAT TAKES THAT MUCH TIME YOU PROBABLY SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT MORE THAN WOULD YOU LIKE TO. IT IS ASSOCIATED IN ONE PEOPLE'S MINDS IN THE 18 100s'S AS A DRUDGE JOB. IN THE MODERN CONTEXT THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FEELING LEFT.

Mary says ABSOLUTELY.

Katherine says ALTHOUGH HISTORICALLY IT IS A MUCH IMPROVED TASK THAN 100, 150 YEARS AGO.

Mary says IT IS MUNDANE. IT IS INEVITABLE WHEN SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO IT. LET'S TALK FOR A MOMENT ABOUT HOW FAR WE'VE COME IN THE HISTORY OF LAUNDRY? MARCH.

Katherine says WELL, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH LAUNDRY IN THE PAST IS IT WAS A HUGE ACTIVITY T.TOOK TWO DAYS A WEEK. MONDAY WAS WASH DAY. TUESDAY WAS IRONING DAY.

A picture shows a wooden device resembling a tub with legs and a cog-like attachment at the top, with a handle to press on the contents of the tub.
A second picture shows an electrical device resembling a drum with three legs and a motor on top.

Mary says WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE?

Katherine says THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. THE FIRST SHOT WAS A WASHING DEVICE FROM THE 1990's. THE SECOND ONE IS FROM THE 1940's.

Katherine says OK. WE'RE BACK TO THE FIRST ONE. IT'S LITERALLY THAT ON THE SIDE IS FOR BEATING THE DIRT OUT T.COMES OUT BETTER IF YOU CAN MOVE THE FABRIC AROUND. SO A LOT OF WASHING DEVICES WOULD INCORPORATE PADDLES OR SOME KIND OF WASHBOARD THAT YOU COULD PUNCH THE DIRT.

Mary says IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF STRENGTH WAS NEEDED FOR THAT.

Katherine says ONCE YOU WASHED EVERYTHING YOU HAD THE PIECES OF FABRIC AND ALL THE RINGING, TWISTING YOU'D HAVE TO DO. AND THAT MACHINE IS AUTOMATED. INSIDE IT GETS WASHED AUTOMATICALLY. WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED WITH THE WASHING HAVE YOU TO GET THE WATER OUT AND HAND-FEED THE CLOTHES THROUGH THOSE TWO RINGERS AND, AT THE SAME TIME, TURN THEM AROUND WITH THE LITTLE CRANK. CAN YOU SEE THE CRANK ON THE SIDE.

Mary says PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT BEFORE.

Katherine says RIGHT. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT ALL BY HAND THIS.

A picture shows a modern front-loading washing machine.

Katherine continues IS A FRONT-LOADING WASHING MACHINE WHICH IS ONE OF THE NEWEST DEVELOPMENTS IN NORTH AMERICAN WASHING. FRONT LOADING LAUNDRY IS MUCH GENTLER ON THE CLOTHES AND A LOT EASIER. IT DOES ALSO LEND ITSELF TO... BECAUSE IT IS GENTLER TO WASHING A LOT MORE PRODUCTS THAT MAY SAY ON THEM DRY-CLEAN. MASH MARCH YOU SAY "NEW" BUT FRONT-LOADERS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND IN CANADA FOR VERY LONG. IT IS RELATIVELY NEW.

A picture shows two front-loading devices.

Katherine continues THIS IS THE DUET WASHING MACHINE BY WHIRLPOOL. IT USES A LOT LESS WATER THAN THE TOP-LOADING MACHINES. IT USES A LOT LESS ELECTRICITY BECAUSE YOU ARE USING LESS WATER. IT'S GENERALLY GENTLER ON THE FABRIC. SOY THINK THE FRONT-LOADINGS WILL TAKE OVER. NOW, PEOPLE DON'T CHANGE THEIR WASHING MACHINES AS OFTEN AS THEY CHANGE A GOOD SWEATER. EVENTUALLY I THINK THE FRONT-LOADINGS WILL BE THE WAY OF THE FUTURE.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT IN EUROPE? I KNOW WHEN I'VE BEEN TO EUROPE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE KIND THAT WE USE HERE. I SEE FRONT LOADERS.

Katherine says THEY'VE BEEN USING FRONT-LOADING IN EUROPE A LOT LONGER ALMOST SINCE THE BEGINNING BECAUSE THEY ARE GENTLER ON CLOTHES AND BECAUSE THEY USE LESS WATER AND ELECTRICITY. THERE'S BEEN MORE PRESSURE IN EUROPE BECAUSE WATER, ELECTRICITY COST MORE. THEY COST WHAT IT TAKES TO CLEAN THEM, WHEREAS WE'RE VERY SPOILED. WE WERE UNTIL RECENTLY VERY SPOILED ABOUT WATER IN NORTH AMERICA. I THINK THAT IT MADE PEOPLE REALIZE THAT OUR WATER IS NOT AS ENDLESS AS WE USED TO THINK IT WAS. I THINK PEOPLE ARE BECOMING MORE AWARE OF THAT. IN VARIOUS SURVEYS I THINK WHIRLPOOL DID A LAUNDRY SURVEY WHICH LEAD THEM TO DEVELOP THIS KIND OF MACHINE. BUT WASHING MACHINES IS ONE OF THE BIG USERS OF WATER.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT DETERGENTS? WE'VE COME AWAY FROM DETERGENTS AS WELL?

A picture shows an old-fashioned Tide newspaper ad featuring a happy man and a woman holding his shirt, and a text that reads "He wears the cleanest shirts in town."
Then, a coloured ad appears that reads "Now, Tide washes clothes whiter than you can bleach them!"
Following, another Tide ad shows a box of Tide on a quilt thrown over a washing machine, and the text reads "Now there's a fresh new cleanness to Grandma Ward's 40-year-old quilt."

Katherine says YES. ORIGINALLY A LOT OF THE CLEANING PRODUCTS WERE SOAPS. THEY'RE MADE FROM... THEY'RE A COMBINATION OF SOME KIND OF ANIMAL FAT OR POSSIBLY VEGETABLE FAT AND ASHES WHICH CONTAINS LYE. YOU PUT THOSE TOGETHER AND YOU PRODUCE SOAP. PEOPLE DO HAND SOAPS. CAN YOU BUY THEM AT FAIRS, SO ON. IN THE 1940's, AGAIN, THEY DEVELOPED SYNTHETIC DETERGENTS WHICH WERE MADE FROM... THE DIFFERENCE WAS IT'S THE SAME PROCESS. THE DIFFERENCE WAS THE OIL IS NOW MINERAL OIL WHICH WAS SIN SYNTHETICALLY... IT WAS EXTRACTED FROM PETROLEUM PRODUCTS ANTHRAX WAS SYNTHETIC RATHER THAN NATURAL. IT MADE THE PRODUCT... THE DETERGENTS PRODUCED WERE NOT SO SENSITIVE TO HEAT. COULD YOU USE THEM IN COOLER WATER WHICH, AT THE SAME TIME AROUND THE LATE 1940's, EARLY 1950's ALL OF THE SYNTHETICS WERE ON THE MARKETS WILL YOU COULDN'T PUT THEM IN HOT WATER. AND THE NEW SYNTHETIC DETERGENTS YOU COULD KEEP THE TEMPERATURE LOWER. AND THE OTHER THING THE DETERGENTS WERE NOT AS SENSITIVE AS THE HARDNESS TO WATERS. AND TORONTO IS CONSIDERED SORT OF MEDIUM-HARD WATER. WITH THE OLD NATURAL SOAPS, SO ON, THEY FORM A LOT OF SCUM WITH THE MINERALS IN THE WATER. SYNTHETIC DETERGENTS DIDN'T DO THAT. THAT'S A BIG CHANGE. FAIRLY RECENTLY THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN NOT THAT DETERGENTS THEMSELVES HAVE CHANGED THAT MUCH CHEMICALLY. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS PACKAGING THEM DIFFERENTLY. FROM THE SHIFTS TO POWDER TO MORE LIQUID AND THEY PACKAGED THE GELS. BEFORE THAT LIQUID DETERGENTS WERE SORT OF A MESS. NOW THEY ARE PACKAGING THEM IN UNITS SOAP CAKES OR LITTLE PACKAGES. SOW DON'T HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE WHOLE MEASURING PROCESS, WHICH NOBODY REALLY UNDERSTOOD ANYHOW. IF YOU LOOK ON THE DETERGENTS THEY WOULD GIVE ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

Mary says THAT'S RIGHT. I'LL SAY WOMEN BECAUSE, IN MOST STUDIES WOMEN, ABOUT 80 percent UNDER CHARGE OF WASHING.

Mary says REALLY FOLLOWS IT EXACTLY.

Katherine says NOW THE MANUFACTURERS ARE TRYING TO PACKAGE THE SOAPS AND DETERGENT IN PREPACKAGED UNITS.

Mary says DID YOU FIND THAT POWDERS OR THE LIQUID FIRM ONE WORKS BETTER THAN THE OTHER? CAN WE SAY THAT?

Katherine says THEY WORK DIFFERENTLY ON DIFFERENT PRODUCTS. THE LIQUID DETERGENTS WORK BETTER IN COOLER WATER. IF YOU HAD A REALLY... YOU STILL HAD COTTONS THE POWDERED DETERGENTS WORK JUST FINE. IT IS NOT AN ABSOLUTE.

Mary says OK. WE ARE LOADED WITH CALLS HERE. LET US TAKE OUR FIRST ONE.

Katherine says OK.

Mary says WE HAVE KATHY ON THE LINE FROM TORONTO.

Mary says HI, KATHY. ARE YOU THERE?

The Caller says YES, I'M HERE.

Mary says HI, KATHY. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says VERY A QUESTION. MY HUSBAND WAS TRYING TO HELP ME OUT DOING THE LAUNDRY FOR ME. I THINK THERE WAS A CRAYON IN WITH ONE OF MY CHILDREN'S CLOTHING. IT HAD GONE THROUGH ALL OF THE CLOTHES IN THE DRIER. AND NOW THEY ARE QUITE STAINED. I WONDER IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET IT OUT.

Katherine says DO YOU THINK IT IS THE CRAYON OR THE WAXY MATERIAL FROM THE CRAYON ON IT?

The Caller says SOME OF IT HAS THE COLOR. SOME OF IT DOES HAVE... I THOUGHT IT WAS INK AT FIRST. CAN I FEEL THAT IT'S SORT OF THICKER.

Katherine says WITH THE WAXY PARTS, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS HE GET SOME SORT OF DRIP CLEANING LIKE MATERIAL. CAN YOU USE THINGS LIKE PAINT THINNER, ALCOHOL, EVEN THE SPOT REMOVERS CAN YOU BUY AT THE STORE THAT IMPLY THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF DRY-CLEANING ABILITY. TRY THAT ON THE STAIN. FAILING THAT I THINK I WOULD DO THIS FIRST IS PUT THE STAIN FACE DOWN ON SOMETHING LIKE PAPER TOWELS AND USE A FAIRLY HOT IRON. HAVE YOU TO WATCH THAT. IT DEPENDS WHAT FABRIC IT'S ON. IF IT'S ON A HEAT SENSITIVE THING LIKE NYLON YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT. IF IT'S ON COTTON YOU SHOULD BE OK. PUT THE IRON ON HIGH AS THE FABRIC WILL TAKE ONTO THE BACK OF THE FABRIC WHICH, OF COURSE, NOW IS FACING YOU. TRY TO MELT SOME OF WAX, AS MUCH WAX AS CAN YOU OUT. THE OTHER THING CAN YOU TRY DOING IS SCRAPING IT OFF. GET A DULL KNIFE. NOT A SHARP KNIFE BECAUSE YOU'LL START CUTTING THROUGH THE FABRIC. TRY SCRAPING OFF AS MUCH OF THE WAXY MATERIAL AS YOU CAN. SCRAPE OFF FIRST. THEN TRY TO IRON IT OUT. LITERALLY TRY TO MELT IT OUT F.THERE IS STILL COLOR LEFT, THEN TRY ONE OF THE... WHAT ARE CALLED VOLATILE SOLVENTS. THINGS LIKE PAINT THINNER OR TERPEN TINE.

Mary says THAT'S OK TO USE ON THE FABRIC?

Katherine says YEAH, IT SHOULD BE OK EXCEPT ACETATE. I DOUBT MOST OF THE CLOTHES HAVE ACETATE IN THEM.

Mary says EVEN SILK?

Katherine says IT IS FINE FOR SILK. BUT CAN DRY-CLEAN SOAP JUST FINE. THINGS LIKE PAINT THINNER ARE VERY CHEMICALLY CLOSE TO DRY CLEANING SOLVENTS.

Mary says REALLY?

Katherine says YEAH. THE ONLY THING WOULD YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS VINYLS IF YOU HAD VINYLS OR PLASTICS THEY WOULD DISSOLVE. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO WORRY IF YOU HAVE BEADS, SEQUINES, TOO. THAT'S UNLIKELY THAT KATHY IS TALKING ABOUT THAT.

Mary says SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRY-CLEANING IS DRY-CLEANING VERY HARD ON ON CLOTHES?

Katherine says NOT PARTICULARLY T.CAN BE HARD ON CERTAIN THINGS I MENTIONED PLASTIC, VINYLS AND BEADS, SEQUINES. IT KRK DESPITE THE FACT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SAFER THAN WASHING FOR COLORS. IT CAN TAKE SOME COLORS OUT THE MANUFACTURERS OF THE ACTUAL FABRIC DON'T ALWAYS MAKE SURE THEIR COLORS ARE FAST FOR DRY CLEANING. IT'S ABOUT EQUAL. THE THING ABOUT DRY CLEANING IS IT'S BETTER FOR OIL-BASED STAINS ANTHRAX TAKES OILLY MATERIAL OUT. THE WAXY MATERIAL IN CRAYON IS A LITTLE BIT OILLY TOO. FOR A SUGAR STAIN WASHING IS MUCH BETTER.

Mary says HOW ABOUT JUICES?

Katherine says YES, MANY JUSTS WILL DISSOLVE.

Mary says OK. I CAN NEVER SEEM TO GET OIL STAINS OUT OF CLOTHING. WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST?

Katherine says IF YOU CAN CATCH IT IN TIME YOU MAY TRY POURING BOILING WATER THROUGH FABRIC. THAT ASSUMES THE FABRIC THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE WOOL IT IS LIBEL TO... IT MAYBE SHRINK THAT. AND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO IS MELT... LITERALLY KIND OF MELT THE OIL, WASH IT AWAY. SO CAN YOU TRY THE WATER. IF THAT DOESN'T WORK YOU MAY HAVE TO GIVE IN, TRY DRY CLEANING. YOU CAN TRY SOAP.

Mary says DOES SOAP OR DETERGENT, WATER YOU CAN USE HANDIER THAN TRYING TO GET SOME OF YOUR TIDE DETERGENT SCOOPED OUT WOULD BE STUFF LIKE THE DISH DETERGENTS. THE HANDY...

Mary says RIGHT.

Katherine says THEY WORK GREAT ON A LOT OF STAINS. THEY ARE CONVENIENT.

Mary says YOU ARE SAYING THAT CHEMICALLY THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE DISH DETERGENT THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORK BETTER THAN TAKING MY LAUNDRY DETERGENT?

Katherine says NO, YOUR LAUNDRY DETERRING YEBT WOULD WORK WELL, TOO. IF YOU HAVE LIQUID IT IS NOT AN ISSUED. IF YOU HAVE POWDERED DETERGENT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?

Mary says RIGHT.

Katherine says IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO GET OUT RIGHT AWAY, GRAB YOUR DISH DETERGENT OR EVEN SHAMPOO. THEY ARE ALL JUST DETERGENTS IN DIFFERENT FORMS. THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR.

Mary says VERY SIMILAR? OK. I DON'T THINK MANUFACTURERS WANT TO HEAR THAT DO, THEY?

Katherine says WE ARE PUTTING THAT ON OUR FACE. YEARS AGO THERE WAS A "CONSUMERS REPORT" STUDY WHERE THEY GAVE ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE VARIOUS SHAMPOOS TO TEST. IN THEIR THEY HAD A BUNCH OF DISH DETERGENTS. AND, OF COURSE, THE PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW. THEY REPORTED THAT THE DISH DETERGENTS WASH THEIR HAIR JUST FINE.

Mary says IT IS CLEAN, SQUEEZY AND JUST GREAT.
WE HAVE JENNIFER ON THE PHONE. GO AHEAD. HI.

The Caller says HI. WHAT ABOUT BORAX? THERE'S POWDER, CRYSTALLIZED. I HAVE THE POWDER ONE.

Katherine says BORAX IS OK. IT'S HARD TO FIND. IT'S NOT A COMMON CLEANING PRODUCT ANYMORE. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO WITH A RED WINE STAIN CAUSING YOU MORE PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THE COLOR IS TO USE WHITE WINE. DISSOLVE THE COLOR IN THE RED WINE. YOU HAVE TO DO THAT FAIRLY QUICKLY.

Mary says I HAVE TO INTERRUPT. WOULD THAT BE TRUE ON UPHOLSTERY? IF YOU SPILL THE RED YOU USE THE WHITE?

Katherine says USE THIS JUDICIOUSLY. YOU WON'T GLUG, GLUG ON THE RECEIVEA. YOU'LL PUT IT ON GENTLY. THAT MIGHT DISSOLVE THE RED WINE. ALL OF THIS WORKS IF YOU TRY IT RIGHT AWAY. THEN YOU CAN TRY SOAP AND WATER. BORAX IS EFFECTIVE, TOO. I HESITATE TO SUGGEST SOMETHING. IT'S HARD TO FIND NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN EVERY STROR.

Mary says WHEN YOU SAY SOAP AND WATER DO YOU MEAN HAVE YOU TO APPLY IT AND SCRUB YOURSELF?

Katherine says WITH EVERY STAIN YOU SHOULD TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM SCRUBBING. UPHOLSTERY YOU MIGHT RUIN THE SURFACE WITH THE RUBBING. AND AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE STAY AWAY FROM THE RUBBING, IF YOU CAN. IF IT IS A GARMENT WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO GET A STAIN OUT YOU SHOULD TRY TO WORK FROM THE BACK. LITERALLY YOU ARE TRYING TO PUSH THE STAIN OUT THE FRONT OF THE FABRIC, RATHER THAN PUSH IT INTO THE FIBER. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT UPHOLSTERY, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. HAVE YOU TO BE AS GENTLE AS YOU CAN TRYING TO NOT PUSH THE STAIN OR RUIN THE SURFACE. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPET UPHOLSTERY, RAISED UPHOLSTERY YOU'VE GOT EVEN MORE PROBLEMS. BUT, YEAH, YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT IT ON AS GENTLY AS POSSIBLE.

Mary says OK.

Katherine says THE OTHER TECH NIKE IN TRYING TO GET OUT STAINS THAT YOU SHOULD TRY TO USE UNLESS IT'S A WHOLE GARMENT YOU COULD WASH LATER. PARTICULARLY FOR THINGS LIKE UPHOLSTERY IT IS IT IS CALLED FEATHERING. YOU START AT THE EDGE OF THE STAIN AND WORK YOUR WAY GENTLY IN. IF YOU START AT THE CENTER YOU ARE GETTING A RING FORM. AND IT IS COMPOSED OF A LITTLE BIT OF THE STAINS, MINERALS IF YOU HAVE USED WATER, SO OCHBL YOU WORK FROM THE OUTSIDE IN.

Mary says OH.

Katherine says AND TRY TO PUSH THE STAIN INTO THE CENTER.

Mary says RIGHT.

Katherine says AND, IF YOU CAN, WORK FROM THE BACK OF THE FABRIC. THAT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE.

Mary says NOW I NOTICED THAT YOU'VE SAID SEVERAL TIMES YOU TRY TO CATCH THAT STAIN QUICKLY.

Katherine says YES.

Mary says OF COURSE, WE NEVER DO, RIGHT?

Katherine says YES.

Mary says IT ENDS UP IN OUR HOUSEHOLD. THEN I TAKE IT OUT. WHERE DID THAT STAIN COME FROM? NOW, IS IT TOO LATE AT THAT POINT? ONCE IT'S GONE THROUGH A WASH AND IT IS STILL THERE?

Katherine says IT MAY NOT BE TOO LATE OR IT MAY. THERE ARE SOME STAINS THERE FOREVER. VERY STAINS IN MY LIFE. I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN. BUT IF YOU TRY, CAN YOU TRY VARIOUS TECH NIKES TO GET IT OUT. YOU CAN TRY TECHNIQUES TO GET IT OUT. YOU CAN TRY THE DISH DETERGENT OR YOUR CONCENTRATED LAUNDRY DETERGENT ON IT AND LET IT SIT FOR, SAY, HALF AN HOUR TO SEE IF THAT WILL GET IT OUT. IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW THE COMP ZIG OF. ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH AN OLD STAIN IS THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THE COMPOSITION. THAT'S IMPORTANT. DESPITE THOSE INFOMERCIALS WHERE THERE IS THIS ONE MAGIC STAIN AND THEY SHOW YOU HALF AN HOUR WHERE IT GETS OUT EVERY STAIN IN THE UNIVERSE, THAT'S NOT TRUE THERE. IS NOT ONE MAGIC STAIN REMOVER. THE CHEMICAL COMPOSITION OF STAIN AND THE COMP ZIG OF THE STAIN REMOVER INTERACT. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF POSSIBLE INTERACTIONS.
HAVE YOU TO TRY SOMETHING SPECIALIZED. THE OTHER THING YOU MIGHT TRY IF IT'S AN OLD STAIN AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE DRY CLEANER. THEY HAVE AN AMAZE AGO RAY OF STAIN REMOVERS AND A BUNCH OF CHEMICALS THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE HANGING AROUND THE HOUSE.

Mary says EVEN FOR OLD STAINS?

Katherine says THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET IT OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT CHEMICALS FOR STAIN TECHNIQUES AND FANCY IMPLEMENTS THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE HANGING AROUND THE HOUSE. LITTLE SPATULAS, THAT KIND OF STUFF. IF YOU HAD A COTTON T-SHIRT YOU WOULDN'T BOTHER WITH THAT. IF IT WAS A GOOD BLOUSE OR DRESS AND THE STAIN HADN'T COME OUT YOU MIGHT TRY THE DRY CLEANER.

Mary says LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL. WE HAVE MELANIE ON THE LINE FROM TORONTO. HELLO. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says I'VE GOT A WHITE T-SHIRT. IT IS COTTON, STRETCHY. UNFORTUNATELY, IT ENDED UP WITH SOMETHING GREEN IN MY WASHING MACHINE. THERE'S A SMALL STAIN ON THE BACK. IT IS GREEN DYE FROM SOMETHING ELSE. I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET THAT OUT, IF I CAN?

Katherine says OK. THE BEST THING FOR COLOR THAT'S COME OUT OF YOUR CLOTHES FROM SOMETHING ELSE, IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S BLED FROM ANOTHER GARMENT. IF YOU'VE GOT A WHITE GARMENT...

She picks up a small white box and says YEAH. COLOR REMOVER. I'M NOT SAY THING IS THE BRAND. IF YOU GO TO RITZ DYES OR TINT DYES HAVE YOU A DISPLAY IN VARIETY STORES, SUPER MARKETS. THEY HAVE THESE DYES AND THEY DISPLAY COLOR REMOVER, JUST AS THE NAME IMEMPLOYS. YOU ARE TO USE THIS TO TAKE IT OUT BEFORE YOU REDYE SOMETHING ELSE T.WORKS JUST AS WELL ON COLORS THAT HAVE COME INTO THE FABRIC, DYES THAT HAVE GONE TO YOUR FABRIC FROM BLEEDING FROM ANOTHER GARMENT IN THE WASH. IF YOU READ THE INSTRUCTIONS, THEY SAY TO PUT IT IN REALLY HOT WATER. IF POSSIBLE, EVEN KIND OF SIMMERING WATER. YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR FIBER CONTENT WAS. IF IT WAS COTTON THE SIMMERING WATER WOULD BE FINE. IF IT WAS A SYNTHETIC YOU MIGHT WANT TO USE HOT WATER AND NOT PUT IT ON THE STOVE. YOU SIMMER IT FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES. MOSTLY THE COLOR COMES OUT. IT WORKS QUITE WELL.

Mary says I'M WONDERING IF HER CASE SHE SAID IT WAS A WHITE T-SHIRT. COULDN'T SHE BLEACH IT?

Katherine says BLEACH ISN'T THAT GREAT FOR TAKING OUT COLOR STAINS. BLEACH IS GOOD FOR TAKING OUT FOOD STAINS, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT THAT GREAT FOR COLORED DYE. SO THE COLOR REMOVER WORKS. PLUS THE COLOR REMOVER IS NOT AS HARD ON IT. CHLORINE BLEACH WORKS WELL BECAUSE IT IS STRONG BUT IT ALSO IS STRONG. THEREFORE, IT TENDS TO START HARMING OTHER FABRICS.

Mary says WHAT IS THE BEST USE?

Katherine says I WOULD TRY THE COLOR REMOVER FIRST AND THEN POSSIBLY THE BLEACH LATER.

Mary says DO YOU SEE IT AS BEING A LAST RESORT, USING BLEACH?

Katherine says YES.

Mary says FF THE T SHISHT HAD BEEN GREEN AND THEY GOT RED DYE ON IT...

Katherine says IT WON'T WORK BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE OUT COLOR, PERIOD. IF YOU HAD A PRINTED SHIRT WHITE WITH YELLOW FLOWERS ON IT. THEN YOU GOT THIS GREEN STAIN IF YOU PUT IT IN THE COLOR REMOVER IT WOULD REMOVE THE YELLOW FLOWERS.
COLOR REMOVERS WORK ON WHITES, BEIGES, CREAMS, THAT SORT OF THING. AND, UNFORTUNATELY, SO WILL BLEACH. YOU'VE GOT REAL PROBLEMS.

Mary says THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS IN LIFE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. WHAT ABOUT THE NONBLEACHING ONES?

Katherine says THEY ARE MUCH GENTLER. PEOPLE REFER TO BLEACH AS CHLORINE BLEACH. IF YOU LOOK ON BOTTLES YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERED A HAZARDOUS PRODUCT. THEY ARE QUITE A SEVERE CHEMICAL. THEY WORK GREAT FOR BLEACHING. THEY ALSO ARE HARD ON FABRICS. THEY ARE CALLED OXYGEN BLEACHES. BECAUSE THEY ARE GENTLER YOU CAN USUALLY USE THEM ON WOOL AND SILK, WHICH YOU DEFINITELY CAN'T WITH CHLORINE BLEACH. YOU CAN USE THEM ON COLORS. THEY WON'T TAKE OUT COLORS THE WAY CHLORINE BLEACH WILL. BUT, BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY'RE NOT VERY STRONG. THEY DON'T WORK VERY... YOU KNOW THEY DON'T WORK DRAMATICALLY. AH-HA, THE STAIN IS GONE. THEY WORK BETTER OVER TIME IF YOU USE THEM GRADUALLY. IF HAVE YOU A STAIN AND YOU WANT TO GET IT OUT QUICKLY THAT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.

Mary says ANOTHER CALL FROM LINDA. HELLO.

The Caller says HI.
MY DAUGHTER WENT OUT WITH THIS NEW 100 percent COTTON T-SHIRT THAT SHE BOUGHT. IT HAS BLUE STRIPING SORT OF DOWN THE ARMS. WHILE SHE WAS OUT WITH HER FRIENDS, SOMEBODY SPILLED A DRINK ON HER. IT WAS ORANGE USE, SOUTHERN COMFORT. WHEN SHE CAME HOME SHE WASHED IT, JUST IN COLD WATER. WHEN IT CAME OUT OF THE DRIER AND EVERYTHING, IT WAS STILL KIND OF A SLIGHT TINGE TO IT. AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE COULD BE ANYTHING THAT COULD HELP GET THAT OUT.

Katherine says WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO IS TRY TO BLEACH THAT ORANGE OUT. IT IS COLORING. IF YOU THINK OF A LOT OF THE DRINKS THAT YOU CAN BUY IN CANS THEY HAVE THESE SUPERNATURAL COLORS. THE ORANGES ARE ORANGE. THE GRAPE IS GRAPE. THEY HAVE A BIT OF DYE IN THEM THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE T-SHIRT. AND THE PROBLEM IS I MENTIONED THAT COLOR REMOVERS ARE IN BLEACHES. BECAUSE OF THE BLUE STRIPES ON THE ARMS THEY ARE LIABLE TO COME OUT, TOO. YOU MAY THINK ABOUT GETTING CHLORINE BLEACH. IT IS A COTTON SHIRT. COTTON IS QUITE RESISTANT TO CHLORINE BLEACH OR MAKE IT QUITE A DILUTE SOLUTION. DON'T EVERY POUR BLEACH DIRECTLY ON COTTON FROM THE JUG OR WHATEVER. BECAUSE IT WILL... IT MIGHT TRY JUST DOING IT LOCALLY. MAKE SURE YOU DILUTE THE BLEACH OR YOU MIGHT DESTROY THE FIBER.

Mary says HEAR, HEAR. I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. YOU TRY IT AND IT MAKES A MESS OUT OF THE THING.

Katherine says BETTER THAT IT'S NOT STRONG ENOUGH.

Mary says I FIND, TOO, IF YOU USE TOO MUCH BLEACH IT STARTS TURNING PURPLE.

Katherine says YEAH.

Mary says IT MAKES IT... THAT HAPPENS, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T GO WHITE. BUT IT ACTUALLY TURNS INTO ANOTHER COLLAR BECAUSE IT IS TOO STRONG, I GUESS?

Katherine says IT IS BLEACHING THE FABRIC SO MUCH.

Mary says RIGHT.

Katherine says A BLEWISH WHITE THAT IS ALMOST A NATURAL. IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A HOSPITAL.

Mary says LISTEN. THERE WAS A RECENT WHIRLPOOL CANADA SURVEY. IT FOUND THAT OVER 0 percent OF CANADIANS PREFER TO WASH DELICATE ITEMS THEMSELVES. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS?

Katherine says WELL, IT MEANS PEOPLE WANT TO DO AS MUCH AS THEY CAN THAT'S CONVENIENT.

Mary says SO THEY ARE IGNORING LABELS THAT SAY DRY CLEAN ONLY?

Katherine says I DO IT MYSELF. VERY, FOR INSTANCE, THIS SWEATER I BROUGHT. THERE'S NOTHING DRAMATIC ABOUT it.

She shows a greenish-brown sweater and says
IT'S GOT SILK, NYLON, A LITTLE BIT OF LYRRA, SPANDEX. AND IT ZEZ DRY CLEAN. IT DOESN'T SAY DRY CLEAN ONLY. THERE'S A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE. THE LABEL I THOUGHT NOT A SWEATER I WANT TO WEAR ALL OF THE TIME. HAVE YOU TO GO TO THE DRY CLEANERS, COME BACK. I TRIED WASHING IT IN THE GENTLE CYCLE. IT CAME BACK FINE. NO PROBLEMS. SO I THINK PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO... THE PROBLEM WITH DRY CLEANERS, AND I... I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, DECREASE THEIR BUSINESS. IT IS INCONVENIENT. PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BE MORE AND MORE CONVENIENT WITH EVERYTHING IN LIFE, PARTICULARLY WOMEN WHO ARE OFTEN STILL MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. I THINK THE SAME WHIRLPOOL STUDY FOUND 80 percent OF WOMEN ARE STILL AT LEAST RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAUNDRY. THEY MAY NOT DO IT ALL. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT EASIER. SO EVEN HAND-WASHING IS MORE TIRESOME THAN JUST THROWING IT IN THE WASHING MACHINE. IF YOU DO IT YOU HAVE TO USE THE GENTLE CYCLE.

Mary says RIGHT.

Katherine says I COME BACK TO MY DISCUSSION OF FRONT-LOADING WASHING MACHINES. WHEN THEY GET TO THEIR GENTLE CYCLES THEY ARE QUITE BENIGN. YOU COULD PROBABLY WASH YOUR WINTER COAT, WOOL COAT. I'D EXPERIMENT FIRST. IF I GET AHOLD OF ONE I THINK OF A WINTER COAT. THE GENTLE CYCLES ARE REALLY GENTLE.

Mary says RIGHT. THERE ARE A LOT OF FABRICS THEN, THAT YOU CAN WASH YOURSELF BUT MIGHT HAVE THE DRY-CLEANING LABEL ON THEM?

Katherine says YES. YES.

Mary says WHAT WOULD THOSE BE, THEN?

Katherine says WELL, A LOT OF THINGS WITH SILK.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT LINENS?

Katherine says LINENS. THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT YOU WORRY ABOUT WHEN YOU WASH. ONE IS SHRINKAGE. ONE IS COLOR BLEEDING OR RUNNING INTO OTHER THINGS. PROBABLY THIS SWEATER I HAD A DARK GARKY GREEN. IT PROBABLY DOES BLEED. AS LONG AS YOU WASH IT WITH ORIOLE DARK THINGS OR BY ITSELF, ALTHOUGH THAT'S PRETTY WASTEFUL OF WATER CAN YOU DO IT IN THE MACHINE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOUR MOTHER ALWAYS TAUGHT YOU WAS ALWAYS SEPARATE THE COLORS. SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOT DIFFERENT COLORS AND YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT IT YOU CAN SEPARATE THEM. SOMETIMES, GETTING BACK TO THE DRY-CLEAN ONLY LABELS THEY ARE USUALLY AIMED AT EITHER COLOR PROBLEMS OR SHRINKAGE PROBLEMS. THE GENTLE CYCLES OFTEN OVERCOME THAT.

Mary says WHAT DO YOU ABSOLUTELY YOU MUST TAKE TO THE DRY-CLEANERS?

Katherine says WOLLS ARE ALWAYS A PAIN. EVEN THERE THE WOOL MANUFACTURERS HAVE BEEN TENDING TOWARDS WASHABLE WOOLS. I BOUGHT A COUPLE OF WOOL SWEATERS LATELY THAT SAY ALL OVER THEM WASHABLE, WASHABLE, WASHABLE. AN THE SO-CALLED COOL WOOLZ THAT HAVE BEEN COMING ON THE MARKET THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS. LYINGER WEIGHT. SOFTER. A LOT OF THOSE WILL BE HAND-WASHED. CAN YOU USE THE GENTLE CYCLE. YOU ARE ALWAYS GAMBLING. IF YOU TAKE SOMETHING THAT SAYS DRY-CLEAN AND YOU WASH IT IN THE MASH YOU ARE GAMBLING. EVERY NOW AND THEN I LOSE IS.

Mary says FOR THE SAKE OF SCIENCE IT HAPPENS.

Katherine says I'M SUPPOSEDLY WASHING IT. I DO SHUDDER AND THINK, GEE, I PAID A LOT FOR THIS. MAYBE IT'S A MISTAKE.

Mary says EVEN THAT HAND BEADED SILK BLOUSE? YOU DREW THE LINE THERE.

Katherine says THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE DRY-CLEANED.

Mary says WE HAVE DANNO ON THE LINE FROM THUNDER BAY. HELLO.

The Caller says HELLO. HOW WOULD YOU WASH OR CLEAN STAINS ON HEIRLOOMS LIKE AN EMBROIDERED PRODUCTS LIKE BLOUSES, SHIRTS. THE OLD COUNTRY MADE FROM THREADS, FABRICS UP TO 50 YEARS IN AGE. I HAVE THIS STUFF. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLEAN IT.

Katherine says THAT'S A DIFFERENT BALL PARK THAN CURRENT CLOTHING BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T WANT TO GAMBLE. I MADE THAT COMMENT A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT GAMBLING. MAYBE EVERY NOW AND THEN I RUIN SOMETHING.

The Caller says AND HOW ABOUT WOOLITE AND WATER? SOME OF THE THREADS THEN RUN.

Katherine says THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT THING. QLOR COLORFUL EMBROIDERY AND PARTICULARLY MADE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THE COLOR IN THE THREAD MAY NOT BE WASHED AND YOU'RE RIGHT. RUN ON THE WHITE COTTON. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF MUSEUM LOCALLY?

The Caller says I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT IS.

Katherine says MUSEUM?
A MUSEUM THAT HAS... I KNOW THERE'S A MUSEUM IN SASKATCHEWAN BUT THAT'S NOT CONVENIENT. THERE'S ONE IN TORONTO, TOO.

The Caller says THANK YOU.

Mary says OK. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. SPEAKING OF "OLD CLOTHING" YOU BROUGHT A FEW THINGS YOURSELF.

Katherine unfolds a pair of white embroidered undergarments and says AND BROUGHT A PAIR OF WOMEN'S UNDERGARMENTS. THESE ARE WOMEN'S BLOOMERS FROM ABOUT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY.
AND FOR THE EARLY 1900s. LOOK AT THIS.

Mary says LOOK AT THE WAIST ON THAT.

Katherine says THEY ARE ALL... BECAUSE WOMEN ARE USING CORSETTS. THEIR WAISTS ARE SMALLER BY VIRTUE OF THE CORSETRY. THIS GARMENT IS FAIRLY WHITE. PROBABLY THE OWNER WASHED IT BEFORE AND WE HAVE TONS OF THESE IN THE COLLECTION.

As she shows another, larger one, she says THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL. THE WHOLE THING BUTTONS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT.

Mary says YEAH.

Katherine says IT UNBUTTONS UP THE CROTCH.

Mary says IT IS TWO SEPARATE PIECES THEN?

Katherine says IT IS HELD TOGETHER AT THE WAIST.
THIS IS FOR CONVENIENCE. WOMEN WITH ALL OF THOSE SKIRTS, PETTY COATS. MAYBE OTHER THINGS. WHEN THEY WENT TO THE WASH ROOM THIS WAS A CONVENIENT WAY TO KIND OF DO THAT.

Mary says THIS HAS BEEN STARCH, RIGHT?

Katherine says THIS STILL HAS THE STARCH ON IT. WHEN THE OWNER PUT IT AWAY THE LAST TIME, MAYBE DIDN'T REALIZE IT WOULD BE THE LAST TIME SHE LEFT THE STARCH ON. THIS HAS GONE QUITE YELLOW COMPARED TO THIS. THE CAMERA WOULD PICK UP THE COLOR. I DON'T KNOW IF IT DID. THE STARCH HAS YELLOWED OVER THE YEARS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN FEEL IT. IT IS MUCH STIFFER.

Mary says THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T USE A LOT OF THESE DAYS, DO WE?

Katherine says NO. BUT EVERYTHING COTTON WOULD PRETTY MUCH BE STARCHED, SAY 100 YEARS AGO OR 120 YEARS AGO.

Mary says NOT ONLY STARCHED BUT IRONED.

Katherine says YES.

Mary says WHO IRONS THESE DAYS?

Katherine says NOBODY. NOBODY. I WOULD SAY THAT MY STUDENTS DON'T KNOW WHAT AN IRON IS. BUT SINCE THEY ARE FASHION STUDENTS THEY DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO IRON, IRON, IRON AS YOU CAN STRUT YOUR GARMENTS.

Mary says RIGHT.
WELL, CAN I SPEAK AS A PARENT WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE, HE ESPECIALLY BUYING CLOTHES FOR YOUR CHILDREN, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO IRON.

Katherine says AND THEY DON'T, EITHER. MY DAUGHTER IS NOW IN UNIVERSITY. I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME SHE BOUGHT A COTTON BLOUSE AND I SAID I GUESS YOU'LL HAVE TO IRON IT YOURSELF SHE STARED AT IT AS IF IT WOULD SOMEHOW DO THE IRONING ITSELF LIKE A WASHING MACHINE, YOU THROW IT IN AND IT WASHES. AND IT IS DISAPPEARING IN A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES.

Mary says I GUESS THAT THAT WOULD HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON THE KIND OF TEXTILES THAT WOULD BE CREATED, RIGHT?

Katherine says IT IS REALLY A CIRCLE. THE ORIGINAL SYNTHETICS WERE CREATED IN THE LATE 1940's, 1950's. THEY WERE ALL DEVELOPED WITH THE EARLY 1950'S'. THEIR BIG CLAIM TO FAME AND WHAT THE MANUFACTURERS PUSHED WAS THAT IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE IRONED. THE TECHNOLOGY CAME FIRST. THEN PEOPLE STOPPED WANTING TO IRON BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONE OF LIFE'S MOST INTERESTING JOBS. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO GET AWAY WITH. COTTON? THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS LIKE DENIM COTTON JEANS. LIKE A BLOUSE YOU HAVE TO IRON IT, BITE THE BULLET, DO THAT.

Mary says AS FAR AS A HIGH-TECH FABRICS, RIGHT? THE ADVANCEMENTS WE'VE MADE IN FABRICS.

Katherine says YES.

Mary says WHAT DO YOU SEE AS BEING REVOLUTIONARY IN FABRIC CREATION OVER THE YEARS?

Katherine says WELL, I THINK THAT CHANGED TO NONIRON CLOTHINGS IN THE 1950's WAS A BIG, BIG EVENT. A LOT OF THE TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN A VARIATION ON THAT SINCE THEN. AND PLASTIC WAS THE ALTERNATIVE. I THINK THAT VARIOUS FIBERS IMPROVE THE WARMTH OF THE GARMENT WITHOUT A LOT OF WEIGHT. IF YOU TAKE A WARM GARMENT FROM THE 1920's IT WEIGHS ABOUT A TON. IT'S WARM BUT IT WEIGHS A HUGE AMOUNT. IT'S STILL ABOUT AS WARM AS THAT 1920's HEAVY WOOL COAT. THERE'S BEEN A REAL ADVANCEMENT IN THE COMFORT FACTOR AND THE MANUFACTURERS ARE ALWAYS WORKING ON THAT. THEY'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP GARMENTS THAT SORT OF SENSE YOUR BODY TEMPERATURE AND EITHER COOL DOWN OR HEAT UP DEPENDING ON YOU AND WHAT'S OUTSIDE YOU, LIKE THE ENVIRONMENT AND THAT SORT OF THING. MOST OF THOSE, THEY'RE NOT AT THE STAGE THAT EVERYONE CAN GET THEM. CAN YOU BUY GIMMICKS LIKE THAT IF YOU'RE A SKIER. THINGS YOU CAN PUT IN YOUR GLOVES AS CAN YOU WARM UP, COOL DOWN.

Mary says DO YOU HAVE ANY FAVORITES AS FAR AS FABRICS GO? COLD WEATHER, WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE?

Katherine says MICRO... THE OSHLG NRAL... THE ORIGINAL MICROFIBERS. IN STUFFING. I'M SORRY. I'VE GONE BLANK.

Mary says YOU MEAN IN THE FILLING?

Katherine says YES. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

Mary says I DON'T KNOW. YOU'RE THE EXPERT.

Katherine says EVERYTHING IS FILLED WITH IT NOW. BUT IT IS VERY LIGHTWEIGHT SO YOU CAN GET A FAIRLY THIN FILLING AND STILL HAVE QUITE A WARM JACKET.

Mary says YEAH. SOMEONE CALLED. THINSULATE. THANK YOU.

Katherine says NOW THERE ARE OTHER BRAND NAMES. THINSULATE WAS THE ORIGINAL MICROFIBER. THEN THEY DECIDED TO USE THIS ON FABRICS LIKE THE STYLE OF YOUR BLOUSE. I THINK MICROFIBERS IS A STEP FORWARD BECAUSE IT HAS A LOVELY FEEL. IT IS SYNTHETIC, EASY TO WASH.

Mary says LET'S TAKE ONE MORE CALL. LISA IS ON THE LINE FROM OTTAWA. HI, LISA. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. MY SON'S GOT AWFUL GREEN GRASS STAINS ON HIS PANTS. THEY HAVE A TINY BIT OF A MOLD STAIN ON THEM.

Mary says OOH.

The Caller says I USED OXY ON THEM. NOW THE GREEN PANTS ARE COMPLETELY GRAY. AND I DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH THE SAME THING. WHAT SHOULD I DO?

Katherine says ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GRASS STRAINS OR MILDEW?

The Caller says WELL, HE ROLLED THEM UP. THE SECOND PAIR I WANTED HIM TO TELL ME STRAIGHT AWAY THAT'S HAD DONE IT.

Katherine says WITH MILDEW STAINS YOU CAN TRY TO GET THE STAIN OUT. AND IF NOT YOU CAN TRY A LITTLE BIT OF THE DRY CLEANING-RELATED PRODUCTS LIKE PAINT THINNER OR RUBBING ALCOHOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE BIG PROBLEM IN THE END IS THAT MILDEW IS A FUNGUS LIKE THE MOLD ON BREAD. IT STARTS TO FEED ON THE CELLULOSE FIBER, THE COTTON. IF THE FIBER'S BEEN DAMAGED BY THE MILDEW YOU CAN'T GET THAT OUT, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT YOU STILL CAN GET A LOT OF THE MILDEW OFF. I THINK I'D START WITH SOAP, WATER FIRST. AND THEN MOVE TOP ONE OF THE DRY-CLEANING-BASED MATERIALS. IF THAT DOESN'T WORK EGHHH.

Mary says TOO BAD.

Katherine says THE PROBLEMS WITH BLEACH YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER PAIR OF PANTS THAT WENT KIND OF GRAY. WHAT PROBABLY HAPPENED WAS THAT IT BLEACHED OUT SOME OF THE COLOR, BUT IT DIDN'T BLEACH IT ALL OUT. LIKE IT DIDN'T TURN THE PANTS WHITE. IT TOOK OUT SOME COMPONENT COLOR OF THE GREEN AND LEFT THEM WITH A GRAYISH COLOR. MOST DYES ON GARMENTS ARE A COMBINATION OF AT LEAST FOUR, FIVE COLORS TO GET THE END COLOR THAT MANUFACTURER WANTS. PROBABLY THE BLEACH TOOK OUT SOME COMPONENTS OF THE GREEN AND LEFT THE GRAY PART, UNFORTUNATELY.

Mary says WELL, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME HERE. JUST A FEW LAST QUESTIONS HERE. BLOOD. THAT'S'S A HARD ONE TO GET OUT. WHAT DO YOU DO FOR BLOOD?

Katherine says I WAS GOING TO SAY TO LISA THE GRASS ITSELF. ANY PROTEIN-BASED STAIN... GRASS, BLOOD, MEAT STAINS FOR SOME REASON IF YOU HAVE MEAT JUICES ON YOUR CLOTHES, MILK, ALL OF THOSE ARE QUITE PROTEIN-BASED. THEY COME OUT VERY WELL WITH AN ENZYME PRODUCT. SOME OF THE DETERGENTS INCORPORATE ENZYMES AND CAN YOU BUY THEM SEPARATELY. ENZYME SOAPS.

Mary says OK.

Katherine says THE ENZYMES ARE ENZYMES THAT BREAK DOWN PROTEIN MATERIAL. SO THEY WORK REALLY WELL ON PROTEIN STAINS. THEY DON'T WORK PARTICULARLY WELL ON OTHER STAINS.

Mary says IS IT COLD WATER FIRST, THOUGH, ON STAINS WITH BLOOD? NOT HOT.

Katherine says WITH BLOOD CAN YOU TRY POURING BOILING WATER THROUGH IT IF THE BASE FABRIC WILL TAKE IT. IF IT'S COTTON, FINE. IF IT'S NYLON, NO.

Mary says OK. WE'RE OUT OF TIME NOW, KATHERINE. THANKS FOR COMING IN. KATHERINE CLEAVER IS A PROFESSOR OF TEXTILES. IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMING CHECK OUT THE TEXTILE AFFAIRS WEB SITE AT WWW.TEXTILE AFFAIRS.COM.
says FOR CENTURIES, PEOPLE HAVE HAD LOVE AFFAIRS WITH HORSES. GREG BARRINGTON IS NO EXCEPTION. HE'S ONTARIO'S HORSE WHISPERER. CAN YOU LISTEN UP NOW FOR SOME SOME HORSE SENSE.

A clip plays on screen. Country music plays and fast clips show a farm, and a yellowish horse walking inside a large pen.

A song plays and the lyrics go
A LONG TIME AGO AND THE FIRST RIVER RODE...

A man in his forties with a mustache and a white cowboy hat says
HORSE WHISPERING. PEOPLE CAN CALL IT WHATEVER THEY WANT. I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY CALL ME AS LONG AS THEY GET THE JOB DONE.

The song continues
THE HORSE AND THE HUMAN WOULD SOON COME TO MIND MUCH MORE THAN A COWBOY INSIDE

As the man tames a horse he says NOW TURN. TURN. THANK YOU. COME ON. HURRY UP!

A brown horse follows his instructions.

The song continues
HORSE WHISPERING MAN...

As he walks and pats the horse, he says COME ON. YOU OLD TURKEY. COME ON. COME ON.

The man continues
I'M JUST A GUY WHO LOVES HORSES. I LOVE TRAINING THEM. IT SEEMS TO RUN IN THE FAMILY SOMEHOW. IT GETS IN YOUR BLOOD. YOU CAN'T GET RID OF IT.

A black and white picture shows him in his youth riding a dark horse.
Another picture shows a man standing next to a horse which pulls a device on which four children sit, on the ground.

The man continues I GREW UP ON CAMBARTON ISLAND. MY DAD HAD HORSES ALL HIS LIFE. I HAVE THREE UNCLES THAT TRAINED HORSES. MY GRANDFATHER IS A FERRIER. THAT IS A PERSON WHO MAKES SHOES FOR HORSES. I WORKED WITH MY GRANDFATHER FOR... WELL, JUST ABOUT ANY TIME HE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE HORSE HE USED TO COME AND GET ME. OFF WOULD I GO WITH THEM. HE WOULD PUT ME UP ON TOP OF THE HORSE AND HE USED TO CALL ME HIS LITTLE HORSE CALMER-DOWNER.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Greg Barrington. Horse Trainer."

Greg continues HE TOLD ME HE SAID YOU ARE ONLY AS HEAVY AS THE HARNESS. SO JUST RELAX. WOE GET ME TO RUB THE HORSE AND MASSAGE THE HORSE JUST OVER HIS WITHERS. AND HE WOULD SAY WATCH HIS NECK AND CHECK HIS NECK TO SEE IF IT WAS GETTING SOFT. WHEN IT WAS GETTING SOFT HE WAS GETTING CALM. THAT'S WHAT WE DID. THAT'S HOW I STARTED.

Now Greg paces inside a large building wearing a small microphone.

He says WHAT I DO IS MOTIVATIONAL TRAINING. SOME CALL IT HORSE WHISPERING. I THINK HORSE WHISPERING IS A GENERIC NAME FOR ANY TYPE OF HORSE TRAINING DO YOU THAT IS NOT DONE IN A HARSH WAY.

As he walks around and a small audience watches, a brown horse follows him around.

Greg continues IF WE CAN TRAIN THE HORSE BY USING THE HORSE'S OWN MIND AND GIVING HIM SMALL STEPS FOR HIM TO UNDERSTAND AND WE WORK ON THOSE STEPS WE'LL HAVE A BETTER, TRAINED HORSE, A SAFER HORSE, AND A HORSE THAT WILL ACTUALLY LET YOU MOUNT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH NOTHING ON ITS FACE.

In his interview, Greg says MY WAY IS KIND, GENTLE WITH THE HORSE.
IF YOU DO ANYTHING TO CAUSE PAIN TO THESE ANIMALS YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE. YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE BIG-TIME.

At the event, the horse whinnies and Greg says HE HAD A BAD, BAD EXPERIENCE. AND HE'S NOT COMFORTABLE. HIS HEAD IS HIGH.

In his interview, Greg explains
SOMEBODY TIED THE HORSE'S HEAD DOWN. THE HORSE WAS FIGHTING TO GET HIS HEAD UP. HE PULLED ALL OF THE MUSCLES IN HIS NECK. THAT'S... THAT'S CRUELTY.

At the event, he says GOOD BOY.

The caption changes to "Scott Duffy. Horse Owner."

Scott, in his thirties, clean-shaven, says
I'VE SEEN PEOPLE TIE FEET, USE A RIDING CROP. I'VE HEARD OF SOMEBODY HITTING IT ON THE TOP OF THE HEAD. THAT'S NO WAY TO DO IT. AND SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO BE THE OWNER GREG CONNECTS AND BECOMES PART OF THE HORSE HERD AND FAMILY. THAT'S WHY HE WINS OVER THE TRUST, RESPECT.

At the event, Greg says I HAVE TO EARN THAT TRUST. THEY DON'T OWE IT TO ME. IT'S NOIP DIFFERENT THAN WHO WE ARE AS HUMANS.

In his interview, Greg says ONCE YOU LOSE IT THEN YOU HAVE LOST THEIR TRUST. A HORSE WILL FORGIVE BUT NEVER FORGET.

Now as he walks a horse out of an enclosure, he says DON'T TAKE ME OFF THE DOOR, BUDDY.

As the horse gallops into a pen, Scott says THIS IS MY STALLION, A PALO PALO HORSE. ZEUSS. IF YOU WERE TO JUMP ON HIM NOW YOU WOULD HOPE YOUR INSURANCE WAS PAID UP AND HANG ON REAL TIGHT. HE LIKES TO SCREAM, JUMP AROUND, ROLL, ALL THINGS THAT FOLLOW A STALIN'S LEGEND HE DOES.

Zeus dashes around the pen as Greg watches.

Scott says I WOULD LIKE TO GET THEM SO THAT HE CAN BE RIDDEN. I WOULD LIKE HIM TO BE A RELIABLE HORSE. IF HE IS TRAINED WELL ENOUGH WOULD I LIKE TO LET MY KIDS RIDE ON HIM.

Greg says I AM GOING TO SEE IF I CAN GET HIM TO FACE ME IF I CAN GET HIM TO COME WITH ME.

Zeus faces Greg, who says GOOD. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD.
THE FIRST THING I HAVE TO DO IS GET THE HORSE'S ATTENTION. TO GET HIS ATTENTION VERY TO GET HIM IN POSITION.
ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. HE JUST GLANCED MY WAY. NOW I'LL GO UP AND PET THEM FOR TRYING. I GET A RESPONSE. I REWARD THE HORSE FOR THE RESPONSE THAT IT HAS GIVEN ME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OK. WHEN YOU ARE WORKING YOU WITH A HORSE HAVE YOU TO WORK ON THEIR TERMS. THAT IS THE REWARD.

Greg pets Zeus, who follows him around.

Scott says IT IS FASCINATING. IT IS ABLE TO MAKE A CONNECTION TO THE ANIMAL. THE HORSE IS FOLLOWING HIM AROUND LIKE THE LOSS OF A PUPPY. I ALWAYS TELL HIM THAT HE'S GOT A GIFT.

Greg says WATCH YOUR HEAD. WATCH YOUR HEAD. THE FISHING LINE IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMON THINGS. YOU GET HIM TO FOLLOW WITH YOU A FISHING LINE LIKE THEY'RE TIED TO YOU. IT'S NOT. IT'S A LOT OF COMMON SENSE. IT'S A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE. THERE'S NOTHING FICKLE ABOUT IT. ALL I'M ASKING IS FOR HIS HEAD TO START WITH. IN ORDER TO GET HIS HEAD HE HAS TO MOVE. THE FEET HAS TO COME WITH IT IF HE IS TO STAY WITH ME, OK? TO GET HIM TO FOLLOW YOU THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO IT IF YOU WANT A HORSE TO FOLLOW YOU. YOU GET HIM TO STEP SIDEWAYS BUT FORWARD TO DOING IT. AND THEN SIDEWAYS AGAIN. BUT FORWARD WHEN HE'S DOING IT. AND EVENTUALLY, WHEN YOU STEP BACK, WHEN YOU STEP BACK, HE'LL ACTUALLY COME WITH YOU.

Scott says I THINK HE'S FOCUSED ON WHAT IS GOING ON. HE'S NOT LETTING HIS MIND STRAY. PERSONALLY, I WOULDN'T GET ON HIM RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT HE'S A COILED SPRING. AT SOME POINT IN TIME HE'LL POP. WHETHER HE POPS WITH BEING TACKED UP OR WHETHER HE'S GOING TO POP WHEN YOU GET UP THERE, GET HIM TO MOVE FORWARD, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST... I KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE THERE. STILL MORE TO GO.

Greg says SHH, SHH. WHEN THEY DO WRONG, I'LL GIVE THEM WHAT IS CALLED A NATURAL CONSEQUENCE. THEY ARE HERD ANIMALS. THEY CAN DO A COUPLE OF LAPS AROUND THEIR OWN PEN. IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS AND NOT PAY ATTENTION THEN GO OUT AND THINK ABOUT IT.

As Zeus runs in circles, Greg says OK. OK. RELAX. COME ON.

Greg says IN EVERY HERD THERE IS ALWAYS A PECKING ORDER. IF I'M THE HEAD OF THAT PECKING ORDER, I'M ON TOP THEY WILL DO WHAT I ASK THEM TO DO. THEY'LL DO IT TO PLEASE ME.

At the event, as the brown horse runs in circles, Greg says COME ON AND WALK. I DIDN'T SAY TALK, I SAID WALK. THANK YOU. COME ON. LET'S GO. WILL THIS WORK ON MY HUSBAND? I'LL TELL HIM NO. I'LL TELL THEM STRAIGHT UP WHEN I'M WORKING WITH A HORSE I'M WORKING WITH AN INTELLIGENT ANIMAL. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

People in the audience laugh.

Greg says THEY CAN'T HELP IT. THEY'RE ALL BY YOURSELVES JUST YOU AND I. YOU THINK CAN YOU HANDLE IT? LET'S GO.

The horse follows him around.

In his interview, he says YOU NEED PATIENTS GALORE. YOU NEED PATIENCE GALORE. I ASK PEOPLE IF YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DOG, CAT, HORSE? A DOG WILL COME WHEN YOU CALL it. A CAT WILL TAKE A MESSAGE AND GET BACK TO YOU LATER. A HORSE WILL SAY THIS IS TUESDAY. I'M NOT DOING IT.

In the pen, as he walks Zeus, he says IT'S ALL RIGHT. STICK WITH ME. STICK WITH ME. THESE ARE ALL BABY STEPS. CRAWL BEFORE YOU CAN WALK. ONCE I GET THEM USED TO IT AND CAN I TOUCH THEM ALL OVER AND ACCEPT WHAT I'M DOING THEN I'LL GO FROM THAT TO MY SADDLE PAD.

He gently covers Zeus's eyes with an orange cloth and says WORK WITH ME. WORK WITH ME.

Greg says WHEN HE GETS USED TO THAT THAT I'LL TAKE THE SADDLE. I'LL TAKE IT OFF, PUT IT ON, TAKE IT OFF, PUT IT ON UNTIL HE GETS USED TO IT.

He puts the cloth and the saddle on Zeus, who runs away and shakes it off.

Greg says IF YOU GIVE UPxD YOU LOSE. THEY WIN. IF THEY WIN WHOEVER OWNS THAT HORSE WILL BE IN BIG TROUBLE.

The song continues
HORSE WHISPERING MAN WHY DON'T YOU TELL IT...

Greg says COME ON BACK HERE, TURKEY.

The song continues
WHAT YOU DO...

Greg says ARE YOU READY?

He climbs on top of Zeus, who wears a saddle, and rides him.

The song continues SOMETIMES YOU WILL SADDLE SOMETIMES YOU SET FREE OH I WISH I WAS THE WHISPERER WISH I WERE THE WHISPERER...

He gets off and says WHEW!

Scott says IS THAT AS HARD FOR YOU AS IT WAS FOR ME?

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Mary says THANKS, GREG. WELL IT'S TIME NOW FOR OUR WEEKLY HEALTH COURSE. YOU KNOW THAT FEELING WHEN YOUR FOOT GOES TO SLEEP AFTER YOU'VE BEEN SITTING ON IT AND YOU THINK, OH, I'VE CUT OFF THE BLOOD FLOW? NO, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IT IS ACTUALLY ALL ABOUT YOUR NERVES. HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT IS YOUR MEDICAL PROFESSOR, DR. PAUL CALDWELL.

A clip plays in which Paul Caldwell sits at a desk with a stethoscope and a mortar.

Paul is in his late forties, with short, receding gray hair and a boxed beard. He's wearing a blue shirt and a spotted yellow tie.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Doctor Paul Caldwell. Family Physician."

Paul says EVER WAKE UP FROM SLEEP WITH YOUR HAND, ARM ALL NUMB AND TINGLEY? FEELS LIKE IT STILL ASLEEP. YOU MAY HAVE A PRESSURE PALSY A TEMPORARY IMPAIRMENT OF THE PERIPHERAL NERVES. THEY CAN BE DISTURBING. SOME OF THE SYMPTOMS ARE SIMILAR TO THOSE OF A STROKE, HEART ATTACK OR OTHER SERIOUS PROBLEM. PALSY IS AN OLD WORD FOR PARALYSIS. IN THESE NOCTURNAL PALSIES WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT POSITION YOU'RE IN WHILE ASLEEP PUTS PRESSURE ON A NERVE. WHILE YOU LIE THERE IMMOBILE WHILE YOU SLEEP THE PRESSURE IS INTERRUPTING THE FLOW OF IMPULSES UP AND DOWN THE NERVE. THIS MECHANICAL PRESSURE CAUSES THE SYMPTOMS OF TINGLING, NUMBNESS AND THE FEELING OF WEAKNESS. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE SLEEPING ON YOUR BACK WITH YOUR ARMS AT YOUR SIDE, YOUR ELBOWS MAY BE RESTING AGAINST THE MATTRESS. THIS PUTS PRESSURE ON THE ULNAR NERVE. ULNAR IS JUST THE LATIN WORD FOR FOREARM WHERE THIS NERVE COMES CLOSE TO THE SURFACE OF YOUR ELBOW. YOU PROBABLY KNOW IT AS THE FUNNY BONE, ALTHOUGH I'VE NEVER FOUND THAT TINGLING SENSATION PARTICULARLY AMUSING. LYING ON YOUR BACK WITH THE ULNAR NERVE COMPRESSED FINDS IT TO SHORT CIRCUIT. THE FEELINGS OF DISCOMFORT WAKE YOU UP. IT WANTS TO INTERRUPT YOUR SLEEP SO YOU'LL CHANGE POSITIONS, TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF. THE FEELING IT QUITE STRANGE. LIKE THE SYMPTOMS OF NUMBNESS YOU GET IN YOUR FACE WHEN YOU HAVE HAD FREEZING AT THE DENTIST. IT DOES CLEAR QUICKLY WHEN YOU MOVE YOUR ARM, HAND. IT SHOULD MOVE AWAY IN A FEW MINUTES. ANOTHER NOCTURNAL PATTERN IS CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME. WHILE SLEEPING MANUFACTURE US HAVE OUR HANDS, WRISTS FLEXED LIKE THIS. THAT PUTS PRESSURE ON THE MEDIAN NERVE AS IT TRAVELS DEEP IN THIS TUNNEL OF TISSUE, TENDONS THROUGH THE WRIST DOWN INTO THE HANDS. THIS PRESSURE CAUSES THE SAME KIND OF NUMBNESS, TINGLING. THIS KIND, THOSE FEELINGS ARE DOWN HERE WHERE THE NERVE COMES TO THE SURFACE OVER THE THUMB SIDE OF THE PALM OF THE HAND AND THE INDEX, MIDDLE, AND RING FINGER. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER COMMON PALSIES THAT OCCUR WITH THE SAME NUMBNESS, TINGLING AND SOMETIMES PAIN. OF COURSE, THE LOCATION OF THESE SYMPTOMS HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT PARTICULAR NERVE HAS TENSION ON IT DUE TO THE POSITION YOU'RE SLEEPING IN. So tonight have a good sleep and... try not to get on your nerves.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Mary says Thanks, doctor Caldwell. Doctor Paul Caldwell can be seen on Your Health, Tuesday nights at 7:30. That's it for today's show. Thanks for watching and tune in weekdays, Monday through Friday, for More to Life at 1 o'clock.

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