Transcript: Naturalist | Oct 02, 2001

(music plays)

A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Life. Words spin against a red and orange background: Health, Family, Home, Money, Fitness, Life. Fast clips show images related to the previous concepts, such as a dollar bill, a wheat field, and strands of DNA.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Mary Ito sits in a studio with textured yellow walls and the logo of the show in the background, which reads "More to life."

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a short-sleeved black blouse.

She says HELLO, I'M MARY ITO. THERE IS "MORE TO LIFE." WE'LL HEAD OUTDOORS IN THE COMFORT OF OUR OWN STUDIO. MY GUEST CERTAINLY KNOWS HIS WAY AROUND. MICHAEL RUNTZ IS AN AWARD-WINNING WRITER, CONSERVATIONIST, PHOTOGRAPHER AND A PROLIFIC AUTHOR.

Michael is in his forties, clean-shaven, with long wavy gray hair. He's wearing a burgundy polo shirt.

Mary continues HERE ARE JUST A FEW OF HIS TITLES... "WILD WINGS, Wild THINGS AND WILD FLOWERS."

A picture shows four five books on a table. One is lying down, so the cover can't be seen. The others are titled "Wild Things", "Wild Wings", "Wild Flowers" and "Algonquin Park."

Mary continues ON SUNDAY HE'LL BE A TVO SUPERTEACHER. IT IS PART OF THE SERIES OF EXTRAORDINARY EDUCATORS FROM AROUND THE WORLD. IN FACT, HE'S SO GOOD HE CAN ACTUALLY CHARM THE BIRDS RIGHT OUT OF THE TREES. LET'S TAKE A LOOK.

In a clip, Michael and a young woman stand in a forest on an overcast winter day. The place is covered in snow and they wear thick winter jackets.

Michael produces chirping sounds with his mouth.

He says THEY THINK I'M A SMALL BIRD. AN OWL. WOW. RIGHT BESIDE IT.

A small black and white bird approaches.

As he continues making sounds, other birds and a squirrel approach.

He says HERE THEY COME.

As a bird perches on his hand, he says BEAUTIFUL.

The clip ends.

Mary says HE THAT'S A CLIP FROM SUPERTEACHERS WITH MICHAEL RUNTZ AIRING ON SUNDAY OCTOBER 7th AT 6:00. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT NATURE, BIRD-WATCHING, PHOTOGRAPHY, PLEASE GIVE US A CALL. IN TORONTO THE NUMBER IS 416-484-2727. YOU CAN ALSO DIAL LONG DISTANCE TOLL-FREE AT 1-888-411-1234. WE ARE ALSO TAKING E-MAIL QUESTIONS AT MORETOLIFEATTVO POINT ORG.

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary continues WE HAVE COPIES OF MICHAEL'S BOOKS TO GIVE AWAY SUCH AS THIS ONE, "Wild THINGS."

She shows a copy of the book and continues IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES WHO MAKES IT ON THE AIR YOU MAY BE ONE OF THE LUCKY WINNERS WHO MAKES IT ON THE AIR. YOU MADE THE LONG TREK FROM ALGONQUIN PARK?

Michael says SAFELY AS WELL.

Mary says HOW DID YOU GET THAT CHICKADEE TO COME TO YOUR HAND?

Michael says WELL, IT'S CALLED PITCHING.

Mary says PITCHING.

The caption changes to "Michael Runtz. Naturalist."

Michael says THEY HEAR THE ALARM CALLS OF SMALL BIRDS. THEY COME TO THINK, INVESTIGATE THAT. IN TERMS OF LANDING IN MY HAND THAT BIRD HAS BEEN FED BEFORE BY ITS BEHAVIOR. THERE'S A LITTLE CHEATING GOING ON WITH THE BIRD. DRAWING IT IN CLOSE IS A SECRET WITH THAT CALL.

Mary says YOU'VE DONE IT. HAVE YOU HAD BIRDS WHERE STRANGE BIRDS COME?

Michael says ABSOLUTELY. THOSE ARE GENERIC CALLS THE FISHING CALLS. A WHOLE FATE OF BIRDS COME IN.

Mary says PITCHING. WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU DO?

Michael says SURE. IT'S A SOUND. A SHH CALL. SHH.

Mary says SHH, SHH, LIKE THAT?

Michael says THERE YOU GO.

Mary says IF I STAND ON MY FRONT LAWN AND DO THAT WILL SOMETHING HAPPEN? OTHER THAN NEIGHBORS CALLING THE POLICE?

Michael says DON'T SAY YOU'RE JUST PITCHING. SAY YOU'RE CALLING BIRDS. IT WILL DRAW SMALL BIRDS IN.

Mary says REALLY?

Michael says YES, IF THEY'RE AROUND.

Mary says IN THE VIDEO SUPERTEACHERS, WHICH I DID WATCH, YOU DID SEVERAL DIFFERENT CALLS. YOU USED YOUR HANDS AS WELL.

Michael says RIGHT.

Mary says WHAT ARE THOSE? CAN YOU RE-ENACT THOSE AS WELL?

Michael says OK. THE PITCHING CALL IS FOR SMALL BIRDS. THE OTHER CALL IS CALLED THE SQUEAL OR SQUEAK. IT IS DESIGNED TO DRAW IN BIRDS THAT HUNT OR FOXES, WEASELS. IT IS THE SOUND OF AN INJURED ANIMAL DONE BY LOUDLY KISSING THE BACK OF YOUR KNUCKLES. IF THEY'RE A BIT WET IF YOUR HANDS ARE CLEAN YOU CAN WASH YOUR HANDS CLEAN. GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR HANDS CLEAN, WET AND GIVE A LOUD KISS.

He places his index and middle fingers on his mouth and produces noises.

[KISSING NOISES]

Mary says A LOUD KISS.

Mary places her index and middle fingers on her mouth and tries to replicate the noise.

Then she says OH, THAT SOUNDS BAD.

Michael says YOU'RE A VERY POOR KISSER, MARY!

Mary says I CAN'T DO THAT.

Michael says TRY THE BACK OF THE KNUCKLES.

Mary says THE BACK OF THE KNUCKLES?

Michael says YES.
YOUR MAKE-UP IS COMING OFF.

Mary says YES. ALL MY MAKE-UP IS COMING OFF ON MY FINGERS. I DON'T THINK I'M DOING IT RIGHT. I'LL HAVE TO PRACTICE AT HOME.

Michael says YOU'LL HAVE TO PRACTICE.

Mary says YOU WERE ON AMHERST DIAL?

Michael says YES.

Mary says ONTARIO?

Michael says YES.

Mary says IS THAT A FAVORITE SPOT OF YOURS?

Michael says IT IS A GREAT SPOT FOR OWLS. IN THE WINTER A LOT OF BIRDS MIGRATE BY THE SHORES OF LAKE ONTARIO AND THE LAWRENCE RIVER AND LAND ON SMALL ISLANDS. IF THERE'S FOOD THERE THEY WILL STAY IN AND STAY THE WINTER. IT IS A GREAT SPOT WITH THE OLD FIELDS. THERE ARE LOTS OF V LO LES, LOTS OF FIELDS FOR ROOSTING AT NIGHT. THERE ARE LOTS OF VOLES.

Mary says IS IT THAT COMMON FOR YOU TO GET CLOSE TO WILDLIFE?

Michael says THOSE OWLS ARE VERY TAME ESPECIALLY THE BORNIO OWL. IT IS NOT RARE TO APPROACH WITHIN A FEW FEET. IT IS QUITE COMMON.

Mary says I WANT TO SHOW THAT CLIP OF THE BORNIO OWL. DO YOU WANT TO PREFACE IT BY SAYING ANYTHING?

Michael says THAT OWL IS SOUGHT AFTER BY BIRD-WATCHERS. IT IS A BIRD OF THE NORTHERN FOREST. IT IS RARELY SEEN, EVEN RARELY HEARD UNLESS YOU ARE UP IN THE FAR SPRUCE FOREST IN NORTHERN ONTARIO OR ALBERTA. SOMETIMES THEY MOVE FARTHER SOUTH TRYING TO FIND FOOD. THERE WERE A LOT OF OWLS AROUND.

Mary says GREAT. YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO CATCH ONE.

Michael says VERY LUCKY.

Mary says ALL RIGHT. LET'S LOOK AT THE CLIP.

In a clip, Michael and the young woman walk in the forest and look up.

He says YOU SEE IT, MEGAN?

Megan says YES.

He says THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST RARE OWLS SEE HOW CAMOUFLAGED IS IT? I'VE SEEN SEVEN OR EIGHT MY ENTIRE LIFE. THEY IGNORE PEOPLE, CHICADEES. THE BEAUTIFUL BORIOLE OWL. THEY COME DOWN HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE LACKING FOOD UP NORTH.

The clip ends.

Mary says YOU DON'T SEEM TO BE THAT FAR AWAY FROM THE OWL. DID THE OWL SEEM SECURE, PROTECTED EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE THERE?

Michael says IT DID.

Mary says OK. LET ME JUST REMIND OUR VIEWERS WHO ARE WATCHING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NATURE TODAY. THE OUTDOORS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL ABOUT WILDLIFE, ABOUT BIRD-WATCHING, ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY, PLEASE GIVE US A CALL. THE NUMBER IN TORONTO IS 416-484-2727. YOU CAN ALSO DIAL LONG DISTANCE TOLL-FREE AT 1-888-411-1234 AND ALSO E-MAIL US YOUR QUESTIONS AT MORETOLIFE MORETOLIFEAT TVO.ORG.

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Mary continues WE HAVE MORE BOOKS TO GIVE AWAY CALLED "ALGONQUIN SEASONS" "WILDFLOWERS." THESE ARE GORGEOUS BOOKS FILLED WITH MICHAEL'S PHOTOGRAPHY. HAVE YOU HAD CLOSE CALLS WITH BIGGER ANIMALS?

Michael says I HAVE MET A FEW MOOSE, WOLVES, BEARS.

Mary says IT'S INTERESTING YOU SAY "MOOSE." I BELIEVE IT'S THE COVER OF ONE OF YOUR BOOK ON MOOSE.

Michael says RIGHT.

Mary says THAT WAS SCARY ENCOUNTER THAT YOU HAD.

A picture shows a large moose surrounded by greenery.

Michael says RIGHT. NOT AFTER THE PHOTOGRAPH BUT AFTER THE SHOT WAS TAKEN. THE BULL MOOSE CHARGED ME, CHASED ME AND ALMOST GOT ME. CAME WITHIN ABOUT 10 MEET METRES OF TRAMPLING ME. IF YOU SEE THE EARS IN THAT MOOSE ON THE BULL MOOSE THE EARS ARE LAID BACK. THAT IS SHOWING DISPLEASURE. YOU KNOW HOW A DOG'S EARS GO BACK WHEN IT'S ANGRY?

Mary says YES.

Michael says THE SAME THING WITH A MOOSE. WHEN YOU HAVE A BULL MOOSE LYING DOWN HAVING A CIGARETTE YOU MUST BE VERY CAREFUL, GIVE THEM LOTS OF SPACE. THEY FINISH MATING RIGHT THERE. HE IS GUARDING THE MOOSE.

Mary says OK. WOULD THAT NOT HAPPEN IF IT WASN'T MATING SEASON?

Michael says IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T. DURING THE MATING SEASON THE BULLS GET SENSITIVE ABOUT THEIR AREA. AND FEMALES ARE A BIT AGGRESSIVE, TOO.

Mary says WHEN I WAS READING ABOUT MOOSE IN YOUR BOOK THERE WAS AN INTERESTING PHRASE. YOU CALLED IMPRESSIVE RACK. I KNOW YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A WOMAN THERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MOOSE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TERM.

Michael says THE RACK REFERS TO THE ANTLERS ON THE BULL MOOSE. IT IS IT HAS BEEN SHOWN THROUGH STUDIES THAT SIZE MAKES A DIFFERENCE. THEY CHOOSE MALES PARTLY ON ANTLER SIZE.

Mary says WOULD THE ANTLER SIZE SERVE ANY OTHER PURPOSE OR IS THAT JUST IT?

Michael says IT'S REALLY THERE DURING MATING SEASON TO IMPRESS THE FEMALES. BULLS WITH BIGGER ANTLERS ARE SHOWING THEY ARE A BIGGER, STRONGER ANIMAL AND THEY'RE PRIME. ANIMALS WITH SMALL ONES ARE GENERALLY YOUNG, OR VERY OLD OR SICK. THEY ARE GROWN FROM LATE APRIL UNTIL THE LATE OF AUGUST. THEY GROW A HUGE RACK OF BONE ON YOUR HEAD MEANS HAVE YOU A LOT OF EXTRA RESERVES THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO GIVE OFF.

Mary says THAT WHOLE THING ABOUT ORNAMENT, ATTRACTING SOMEONE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX. I FIND IT INTERESTING WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MATING AND THE WHOLE COURTSHIP BEHAVIOR. HOW SIMILAR IS IT TO HUMANS?

Michael says THERE ARE SIMILARITIES THAT WE ARE FINALLY BEGINNING TO ACKNOWLEDGE. A LOT OF ANIMALS USE PERFUMES. MOOSE USE THEM. SNAKES USE THEM. HUMANS ALSO USE THEM AS WELL. WE'RE LEARNING MORE ABOUT OUR OWN SEXUALITY AND THERE ARE MANY SIMILARITIES. WE'RE AN ANIMAL SPECIES. WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT AN ANIMAL FACES IN TERMS OF FINDING FOOD, MATES AND SURVIVING THE ELEMENTS. WE HAVE THE SAME KINDS OF SOLUTIONS.

Mary says YEAH. I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN WE SEE ANIMALS WE THINK LIKE WE DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH BEHAVIOR, RITUAL IS INVOLVED IN IT, RIGHT?

Michael says THERE'S A LOT OF RITUALS.

Mary says YEAH. YOU SAY IN YOUR BOOK THE ACTIVE SEX AMONG ANIMALS IT'S NOT A RANDOM THING AS WE MIGHT BELIEVE, RIGHT?

Michael says THAT'S RIGHT. IN MOST SPECIES IT IS CAREFULLY ORCHESTRATED. FEMALES WILL CHOOSE A MATE. THE MALES TEND TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE CHOSEN AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER WAY AROUND. FEMALES TEND TO...

Mary says DOESN'T THAT GO FOR HUMANS AS WELL?

Michael says IT DOES. IT GOES FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE MATE WHICH MAKES SENSE FOR THE FEMALE ESPECIALLY MOOSE WHERE THEY DON'T TAKE PART IN REARING THE YOUNG. THEY MATE. THAT'S THE ONLY ASSOCIATION IN THE YEAR. THE FEMALES MUST CHOOSE WISELY BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF THE OFFSPRING AFTERWARDS. THEY WANT TO HAVE GOOD GENES FALL TO THE YOUNGSTERS.

Mary says I REMEMBER READING IN A BOOK ABOUT BEATLES. THE MORE THE CLEFT THE MORE THEY ARE ATTRACTIVE. IF THEY HAVE THAT DEEP CLEFT THAT IS BETTER FOR ME AND MY OFFSPRING.

Michael says RIGHT. YOU CAN RELAY INFORMING INDIRECTLY. LIKE A SONGBIRD THE BETTER COLORS ON A MALE MAY REFLECT THE ABILITY TO FIND FOOD. HE'S A GOOD FINDER OF FOOD HIMSELF AND HAS BRIGHTER COLORS HE'S BETTER PROVIDING FOOD FOR THE YOUNG LATER ON. IT MAY AFFECT HIDDEN TRAITS BENEATH THAT. WITH MOOSE IT SHOWS THAT THE MALE IS PROBABLY PARASITE-FREE. IN HIS PRIME YEARS. HAS BEEN A SURVIVOR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND HAS GOOD QUALITY GENES INSIDE HIM. THERE IS A REFLECTION OF SOME QUALITY BENEATH THE SIZE OR COLOR OF THE ORNAMENTATION.

Mary says OK. LET'S GO TO OUR CALLS. WE HAVE PHELIE.

The Caller says THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. MY QUESTION IS OVER THE SUMMER THERE WAS A BLACK BEAR SIGHTING IN THE CITY OF OWEN SOUND. I'M WONDERING WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY IF I ENCOUNTER THEM EYE-TO-EYE SORT OF THING?

Michael says GENERALLY BEARS ARE NOT DANGEROUS. THEY ENTER TOWNS IN MORE URBAN AREAS WHEN FOOD IN THE WILD IS IN LOW SUPPLY. THAT'S WHEN WE SEE THEM WHEN WE HAD THE DROUGHTS IN ONTARIO THAT. AEKTED IF THEIR FOOD SUPPLY ESPECIALLY THE BERRIES THAT THEY FEED ON. THEY WENT FORTHING FURTHER UPFIELD. THEY TRAVEL QUITE A DISTANCE WHEN FOOD SUPPLY IS LOW. I THINK THIS YEAR A LOT OF BEARS DID TURN UP IN SMALL TOWNS OR EVEN LARGER TOWNS TRYING TO FIND FOOD BECAUSE THEY HAD TO. WHEN THEY ARE LOOKING FOR FOOD THEY ARE NOT REALLY DANGEROUS ANIMALS. BEARS CAN BE DANGEROUS. FOR THE MOST PART THEY ARE QUITE SHY. IF HE ARE HUNGRY AND TRYING TO FIND FOOD THEY ARE MORE VIZ VISIBLE. THEY ARE NOT REALLY DANGEROUS ANIMALS. IF YOU'RE NEAR A BEAR MAKE A LOT OF NOISE. THAT'S THE BEST STRATEGY.

Mary says START SCREAMING AND YELLING?

Michael says CLAPPING YOUR HANDS, YELLING. THAT GENERALLY WILL DO IT. IN FACT I'VE TRIED TO PHOTOGRAPH BEARS FOR YEARS. I'VE TRACKED A LOT OF BEARS IN THE WOODS. THEY ARE QUITE SHY. MEETING A BEAR THAT IS NOT AFRAID IS QUITE A RARE EVENT. IF IT DOES HAPPEN MAKE LOTS OF LOUD SOUNDS. IF YOU HAVE TO THROW THINGS AT A BEAR. THAT PROBABLY WILL NOT HAPPEN TO YOU IN YOUR BEAR TRAVELS.

Mary says WHERE DID D THE OLD NOTION COME FROM PLAYING DEAD?

Michael says THAT COMES FROM GRISLY BEARS. THEY WILL KILL IF THEY HAVE AN INTRUDER IN THE TERRITORY. BLACK BEARS DO NOT DO THAT. WHEN A BLACK BEAR KILLS WHICH IS RARE BY THE WAY IT IS GENERALLY FOR A SOURCE OF FOOD. IT HAS BEEN FOUND, THROUGH STUDIES, THAT MOST BLACK BEAR ATTACKS THINKING THAT THE BLACK BEAR HAS FOUND A NEW KIND OF FOOD THAT IS EASY TO OBTAIN.

Mary says I SEE. IT IS INTERESTING. YOU MENTION THE BEARS LOOKING FOR FOOD.

Michael says YES.

Mary says I HEARD WE HAD A LOT OF LADY BUGS THAT CAME IN THIS SUMMER. ACTUALLY IT WAS A GARDENER WHO TOLD ME THIS. HE SAID THERE WERE SO MANY LADY BUGS THAT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH FOOD FOR THEM AND SO THEY ENDED UP BITING PEOPLE, WHICH THEY DON'T NORMALLY DO. IS THAT TRUE?

Michael says I'M NOT SURE. THEY ARE PREDATOR. THEY FEED ON A YESTERDAYS. THEY FEED ON APHIDS.

Mary says RIGHT. WE HAD THAT infestation OF APHIDS AS WELL.

Michael says THERE ARE A HUGE NUMBER, STILL ARE A LARGE NUMBER OF LADY BUGS AROUND. THAT MAY REFLECT THE FOOD SUPPLY THIS SUMMER A LARGE NUMBER OF APHIDS.

Mary says DO THEY BITE?

Michael says OK, SURE, VERY LITTLE.

Mary says IT'S NOT ABHORRANT BEHAVIOR THAT WOULD...

Michael says NO, NO, THEY ARE FEEDING ON THINGS.

Mary says LET'S GO TO FAYE IN TORONTO. HI, FAYE.

The Caller says HI. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.

Mary says OK.

The Caller says SEEING HE HAS DONE SO MUCH PRK SEEN SO MUCH WHICH IS HIS BIGGEST CHALLENGE?

Mary says GOOD QUESTION.

Michael says BIGGEST CHALLENGE? STAYING OUT OF CITIES. I LIKE BEING IN THE WOODS WHERE I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. IN TERMS OF FINDING ANIMALS OR?

The Caller says ANIMALS, YES.

Michael says I SUPPOSE WOLFS POSE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE VERY LOW IN NUMBERS. IN TERMS OF FINDING AN ANIMAL TO SEE, ENJOY PHOTOGRAPHING IT WOULD BE WOLVES.

Mary says LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. WE WERE MENTIONING THAT BEFORE WE WENT ON THE AIR. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SEE THE WOLF HOWL IN ALQUONGIN PARK. YOU SAID YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SEEING THAT?

Michael says NO. THERE WAS A POSSIBLE ATTEMPT IN AUGUST. THESE ARE EVENTS HELD ON THURSDAYS. IT IS HUGE EVENTS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T HEARD OF WOLF HOWL. IF WOLFS HAVE BEEN FOUND BY THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR THERE THERE'S A PRESENTATION GIVEN AT THE OUTDOOR THEATER AND THAT'S FOLLOWED BY A SPOT TO WHERE THE WOLVES WERE HEARD. THESE DRAW HUGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. THE AVERAGE HOWL NOW IS OVER 2,000 PEOPLE. 400-ODD CARS.

Mary says SO ALL OF THE CARS COME IN TO ALGONQUIN?

Michael says PEOPLE MEET AT THE OUTDOOR THEATER AT POND LAKE. AND THEY DRIVE TO WHERE THE WOLVES WERE FOUND ABOUT A KILOMETRE OR HALF OR SO.

Mary says WOW.

Michael says AND PEOPLE GET OUT OF THE CARS AND WE WOULD HOWL FOR THE WOLVES. IF THE WOLVES ARE AROUND THEY WOULD ANSWER BACK. IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO FIND WOLVES BY THE HIGHWAY. ALAL.

Mary says IF THEY WERE TO BE ANSWER BACK WHERE WOULD THEY LIKELY BE? WHERE ARE THEY?

Michael says WOLFS ARE AT A PLACE SUCH AS BEAVER MEADOWS WHERE THE POND HAS GROWN BY IN A BUTTE. MEADOW OF GRASS OR A DRIER BOG HEDGE. THE ADULT IN THE PACK GO OFF HUNTING AND BRING FOOD BACK TO THE PUPS BECAUSE THEY REGULARLY MEET TOGETHER. RENDEZVOUS. IT IS CALLED THE RENDEZVOUS SITE. AT THE RENDEZVOUS SITE THEY STAY THERE FOR SEVERAL DAYS, SEVERAL WEEKS, EVEN SEVERAL MONTHS. SO ONCE THE SITE IS FOUND AND THEY ARE FOUND BY HOWLING AT NIGHT TO GET THE RESPONSE FROM THE WOLVES AT THE RENDEZVOUS SITE ONCE THE SITES ARE FOUND IT'S A GOOD CHANCE THEY WILL THERE THE NEXT NIGHT WHICH IS A THURSDAY.

Mary says I SEE. CAN YOU DO A WOLF HOWL FOR US?

Michael says I CAN DO THE WOLF HOWL. A SHORT VERSION OR LONG VERSION?

Mary says LET'S TRY THE SHORT ONE.

Michael howls.

[WOLF HOWL]

Mary says HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO MASTER THAT?

Michael says I'M STILL WORKING ON IT.

Mary says VIEW TO GET THE PITCH RIGHT?

Michael says THAT'S AN AVERAGE WOLF HOWL.

Mary says I WOULDN'T KNOW AN EXCEPTIONAL ONE.

Michael says THERE WAS A STUDY IF HUMAN HOWLS WOLFS WILL HOWL BACK. ANY KIND OF HUMAN VOICE WILL WORK.

Mary says IT WILL?

Michael says WHETHER IT'S A HIGH-PITCHED VOICE, LONG HOWL, SHORT HOWL IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. WOLFS CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. THEIR VOICES ARE THE SAME AS OUR VOICES. YOU HAVE HIGH-PITCHED WOLVES, LOW-PITCHED WOLVES, DEEP-WINDED WOLVES.

Mary says SO I COULD BE REALLY OFF AND THEY STILL WOULD RESPOND TO ME?

Michael says ABSOLUTELY. THEY CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

Mary says THAT'S NOT THE SAME WITH OTHER ANIMALS THE CHICKADEES, OTHER BIRDS THEY CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE?

Michael says YES. IF THEY ARE SIMILAR ENOUGH THEY WILL ANSWER BACK TO THEM. WITH THE WOLF BECAUSE WOLFS HAVE A GREAT RANGE OF VOICES ANY HUMAN HOWL WILL SOUND LIKE A WOLF HOWL. IF YOU'RE DOING A ROBIN SOUND THE CHICKADEE WON'T ANSWER BACK.

Mary says SO HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO KEEP HOWLING THAT NIGHT?

Michael says USUALLY WOLFS ANSWER BACK ON THE SECOND HOWL THAT IS GIVEN. THERE'S A SEQUENCE OF THREE SINGLE HOWLS THAT IS NECESSARY FOLLOWED BY THREE GROUP HOWLS BY SEVERAL PEOPLE OR TWO PEOPLE AT LEAST.

Mary says THAT'S GOOD. IF THEY ARE GOING TO ANSWER THEY'LL DO IT QUICKLY?

Michael says USUALLY.

Mary says NOT LIKE MY CHILDREN.

Michael says GREAT. OK. LET'S GO TO SAMANTHA. HELLO, SAMANTHA.
HI.

The Caller says HI. MY QUESTION IS I HAVE A 2-YEAR-OLD OR HE'S JUST GOING TO BE TWO. HE WANTS TO CHASE SQUIRRELS AND BIRDS. I HAVE A QUESTION ON HOW TO CULTIVATE THAT. I HAVE CONCERNS BECAUSE HE IS FAST. I'M AFRAID HE'LL CATCH THAT SQUIRREL AND GET A GOOD BITE OUT OF IT. IS THERE A DANGER OUT OF THAT?

Michael says IT'S PRETTY HARD TO CAPTURE A SQUIRREL BY HAND. IT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. IF YOUR 2-YEAR-OLD IS FAST A SLIGHT POSSIBILITY. IS IT A SON OR DAUGHTER?

The Caller says A SON.

Michael says IS HE A GOOD CLIMBER?

The Caller says YEAH.

Michael says OK, WELL, THAT'S EVEN MORE OF A PROBLEM WITH SQUIRRELS. I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A REAL PROBLEM, NO. IF SQUIRRELS ARE HAND-FED THEY MAY COME TO HIS HAND. THEY HAVE VERY SHARP TEETH. AS FAR AS ENCOURAGING YOUR CHILD EXPOSE YOUR CHILD TO NATURE WHETHER IT'S SQUIRRELS IN YOUR BACKYARD, CATERPILLARS ON A SHRUB. SHOW HIM THE WONDERS OF NATURE. IF THERE'S A SPARK OF INTEREST IN YOUR CHILD THEY WILL HAVE A DISPLAY OF PASSION ABOUT IT LATER ON. CHILDREN LOVE NATURE. THE MORE YOU SHOW YOUR CHILD THE BETTER IN THE FUTURE.

Mary says IT IS SO OBVIOUS YOU'RE PASSIONATE. HOW DID YOU GET INTERESTED?

Michael says I BEGAN TO BIRD WATCH WHEN I WAS 5 YEARS OLD. I STARTED OUT VERY YOUNG. IT WAS ALMOST MY ACCIDENT. IT WAS BY MY NEIGHBOR TO KEEP HER FROM HARASSING HER DAUGHTER, MY SISTER WHO PLAYED IN A LITTLE PLAY HOUSE. SO TO DISTRACT ME I WAS FORCED BY THE HAND AND TO USE BINOCULARS. THEN SHE SHOWED ME IN THE PETERSON'S FIELD GUIDE AN ORIOLE PICTURE. AND THAT BEGAN MY INTEREST AND LIFE-LONG PASSION.

Mary says IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOUR FAMILY NURTURED AS WELL?

Michael says NOT PARTICULARLY. MY FAMILY WASN'T THAT INVOLVED WITH NATURE. MY DAD DID FISH AND HUNT A BIT. NO, IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT NATURE AS PASSIVELY AS I DID AUTOMATIC RESPONSE ALMOST.

Mary says OK, OK. WE SAW EARLIER IN THE CLIP FROM THE SUPERTEACHERS IT WAS THE WINTER THERE. IT WAS THE MIDDLE OF WINTER AND YOU'RE BUNDLED UP. MANY PEOPLE THINK IT'S THE DEAD OF WINTER. WHAT IS THERE TO SEE OUT THERE? YOU LOVE WINTER.

Michael says OH, THERE IS MUCH TO SEE! I PREFER WINTER. SUMMER IS FAR TOO HOT AND GREEN. WINTER IS SPECTACULAR FOR BEAUTY. THE ANIMALS THAT ARE THERE AND THEY ARE WINTER ACTIVE THEY ARE HIGHLY ADAPTED FOR COLD TEMPERATURES, LACK OF FOOD. THE ANIMALS YOU MEET OUT THERE ARE REALLY WELL ADAPTED FOR A TOUGH SEASON. AND THE CALLS THAT I DO LURE THEM IN. BUT EVEN AS THE ANIMALS ARE SEEN THEIR SIGNS ARE EVIDENT ALL OF THE TIME. EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT SEEN THERE IS EVIDENCE OF THEM. THE SNOW IS A FRESH SLATE OF SNOWFALL. SEEING THE SIGNS OF THE ANIMALS IS EXHILARATING. THERE'S A LOT TO BE SEEN IN WINTER.

Mary says I WOULD IMAGINE BECAUSE, OF COURSE, YOU'RE TAKING PICTURES AS WELL. HAVE YOU TO WAIT FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT, RIGHT? IT INVOLVES A LOT OF PATIENCE. HOW LONG MIGHT YOU BE STAYING IN ONE PLACE WAITING?

Michael says THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SOMETIMES I'LL SPEND A FULL DAY PERHAPS 2:00, 3:00 IN THE MORNING HIDING BEFORE DAYBREAK.

Mary says HIDING LIKE CROUCHED?

Michael says SITTING DOWN COMFORTABLY USUALLY. BUT BEHIND A NATURAL COVER. BUT SITTING THERE FROM BEFORE DAWN UNTIL THE FOLLOWING SUNSET. SO I WILL SIT OCCASIONALLY FOR A FULL DAY.

Mary says DOES COLD BOTHER YOU AT ALL?

Michael says LUCKILY I'M ONE PERSON THAT FINDS COLD NOT TOO BAD. CERTAINLY EXTREME COLD BOTHERS ME MINUS 20 OR MINUS 30 IS NOT TOLERABLE.

Mary says YOU WERE MADE FOR IT, THAT'S FOR SURE.

Michael says DRESSING IS THE KEY. IF YOU WEAR LIGHT CLOTHES YOU'LL BE COLD NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. HAVE YOU TO WEAR LOT OF LAYERS.

Mary says RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE?

Michael says WELL, I DON'T LIKE THE NEWER FABRICS THAT ARE SKIN TIGHT. I PREFER LOOSE CLOTHING. I'LL WEAR GOOD, OLD WOOLEY LONG JOHNS AND HEAVY COTTON SHIRTS, SWEATERS ON TOP OF THAT. FINALLY A DOWN LINER.

Mary says NONE OF THAT HIGH-TECH STUFF, EH?

Michael says THE SORALE BOOK BOATS. PATIENT SORALE BOATS. IF IT IS REALLY WINDY YOU DON'T GO IN THE WIND.

Mary says WE HAVE ANOTHER CALL.

The Caller says I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SWANS. I'VE NOTICED THERE'S AN INCREASE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SWANS IN SOUTHEASTERN ONTARIO ON THE LAKE. IS THERE A REASON FOR THIS? AND IS THIS PART OF A LONG-TERM TREND? DO WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AT ALL?

Michael says THERE ARE SEVERAL SWANS. THE NATIVE NESTING SWAN MIGRATES THROUGH IN GREAT NUMBERS IN SPRING SPRING, FOR EXAMPLE. THE OTHER SWANS ARE INTRODUCED. THE SWAN WITH A BRIGHT ORANGE BEAK IS A EUROPEAN SWAN. WE ALSO HAVE ONE CALLED THE THE CONQUADOR SWAN WHICH IS EXPANDING ITS RANGE. THERE HAS BEEN AN EFFORT TO BRING THE SWAN TO ONTARIO. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE SWAN WAS NOT HERE NATIVELY, NOT HERE HISTORICALLY. AND THERE IS SOME EVIDENCE THAT, PERHAPS, IT WAS. I THINK THEY FOUND A BONE IN AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL DIG. WHETHER THE SWAN WAS HERE OR BONE WAS BROUGHT HERE FROM SOME OTHER PART OF CANADA IT'S HARD TO SAY. SOME SWANS ARE NATIVE. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN INCREASING AS FAR AS I KNOW. OTHER SWANS THAT HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED ARE ON THE INCREASE THAT YOU'RE SEEING IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO.

Mary says I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE BEAUTIFUL SHOTS YOU'VE TAKEN AS WELL. YOU'VE CAPTURED BEAUTIFUL BIRDS ON FILM. FOR INSTANCE THE AMERICAN KESTREL?

A picture shows a bird of prey perched on a stub. It has a short, sharp curved beak and brown, gray and white plumage with black spots.

Michael says THAT IS ACTUALLY A JIM FLYNN PHOTOGRAPH. THE ONLY BOOK THAT I'VE HAD HAD PHOTOS IS IN THE WINGED BOOK.

Mary says DO YOU WORK WITH HIM VERY MUCH?

Michael says I'VE KNOWN JIM FOR MANY YEARS. I WORKED AT POINT PELLIA. JIM WAS THERE TAKING BIRD PHOTOGRAPHS. WE BECAME GOOD FRIENDS DURING THAT PERIOD. WHEN I WANTED SPECTACULAR PHOTOGRAPHS THROUGH THE BIRD BOOK JIM CERTAINLY WAS THE MAN TO CALL.

Mary says WHAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT THAT BIRD?

Michael says THE KESTREL IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BIRDS IN THE WORLD. IT IS A SMALL HAWK. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPH. IS IT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO THE PHOTOGRAPH?

Mary says OK, SURE. WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK. IS IT ONLY... IT'S FOUND WHERE?

Michael says IT IS COMMON THROUGH EASTERN CANADA AND ONTARIO. THERE IT IS. LOOK AT THE COLORS ORANGISH BLUES, REDS, BLACKS. A BEAUTIFUL BIRD. LIKE THE FALCON OFTEN SEEN ON TELEPHONE WIRES. THEY'LL FEED A LOT ON GRASSHOPPERS, OTHER INSECTS. A COMMON HAWK. EASILY SEEN ON TELEPHONE WIRES THROUGH THE AREA.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT EAGLES? PEOPLE ARE FASCINATED BY EAGLES. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN SPOT THEIR PREY IS IT MORE LIKE A MILE AWAY? THEIR VISION IS INCREDIBLE.

Michael says THEIR VISION IS QUITE REMARKABLE. IT IS NOT AS STRONG AS BEEN BELIEVED TO BE. A LOT OF EARLIER BOOKS WILL SAY THAT HAWKS AND OWLS AND EAGLES HAVE VISION 10 TIMES BETTER THAN OURS. THAT'S NOT TRUE. IT IS TWO TO THREE TIMES MORE ACUTE THAN OUR VISION. IT IS A TELESCOPIC VISION. NOT NEARLY AS STRONG AS WHAT IT WAS BELIEVED TO BE. THREE TIMES STRONGER THAN OUR VISION. THEY CAN SEE THEIR PREY QUITE A DISTANCE AWAY.

Mary says THERE'S ANOTHER SHOT I WANT OUR VIEWERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT. IT IS THE SHOT OF A HUMMINGBIRD. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A HUMMINGBIRD AT REST. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

A picture shows a hummingbird perched on a tiny branch. It has bright metallic pink feathers around its head and neck, and a green belly.

Michael says ANOTHER JIM FLYNN PHOTOGRAPH. A SPECTACULAR PHOTOGRAPH FROM A WESTERN HUMMINGBIRD. AND I BELIEVE THE DIANAHA IS WHAT IS SHOWN HERE. THAT IS A MALE WITH THE BRIGHT COLOR UNDER THE THROAT. WHAT WE SEE ON OUR EAST HUMMINGBIRD THE RUBY THROATED HUMMINGBIRD IN EASTERN TORONTO, CANADA IS NOT CAUSED BY PIG MEN TAIG. IT IS CAUSED BY LIGHT BOUNCING AROUND INSIDE SPECIAL PLATELETS INSIDE THE FEATHERS. IT IS A COLOR PRODUCED BY LIGHT, NOT BY PIGMENTATION.

Mary says SO IF YOU WALKED UP CLOSE WHAT WOULD YOU SEE?

Michael says IT WOULD BE BLACK IN SOME CONDITIONS AND RED IN OTHER CONDITIONS. IT IS LIGHT BOUNCING AROUND THAT CAUSES THAT APPEARANCE.

Mary says OK. WE HAVE ANOTHER CALLER ON THE LINE JOYCE FROM AJAX. HI, JOYCE.

The Caller says I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A MOOSE. MY HUSBAND AND I WERE CANOEING ON THE WINNIPEG RIVER. IT WAS VERY QUIET. ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HEARD JUST A LITTLE SPLASH. THERE BESIDE US WAS THIS HUE AMONGIS FEMALE MOOSE. I JUST FROZE. MY HUSBAND SAID PADDLE, PADDLE, PADDLE! I THANK GOD WE WERE CLOSE TO THE SHORE BECAUSE I'M NOT A STRONG SWIMMER. SOME PEOPLE SAID OH, YOU'RE LUCKY IT WASN'T A MALE MOOSE. MY QUESTION IS WERE WE IN DANGER OR NOT?

Michael says WAS THAT IN SUMMER OR THE FALL?

The Caller says SUMMER.

Michael says NO IN SUMMER THEY ARE NOT AGGRESSIVE ONLY DURING THE MATING SEASON WHICH STARTS IN ONTARIO MID SEPTEMBER THROUGH EARLY OCTOBER CAN THE BULLS AGGRESSIVE. IN THE SUMMER WHEN THE ANTLERS ARE GROWING ON THE HEAD THE BULLS ARE NOT AT ALL AGGRESSIVE. FEMALES WITH CALVES CAN BE BUT THEY ARE BORN IN MAY USUALLY. A FEMALE MOOSE WITH SMALL CALVES CAN BE AGGRESSIVE. IN SUMMER BULLS IN WATERWAYS NO. THEY'RE IN THE WATER BY THE WAY FOR A VERY SPECIAL REASON. DURING THE WINTER MONTHS THE MOOSE'S DIET LACKS SODIUM ALMOST COMPLETELY A VERY IMPORTANT MINERAL WE ALL NEED IN OUR DIET. THE TRUE SOURCE OF SODIUM LIES IN WATER PLANTS. THE WATER SHIELDS, WATER LILIES THAT ADORN BEAVER PONDS, LAKE, RIVER EDGES AND THESE ARE RESOURCES FOR MOOSE. SO THEY ARE DOWN IN THE WATER FEAST AGO WAY ON THE WATER PLANTS. THEY ARE QUITE APPROACHABLE BY CANOE.

Mary says OK. I'M GOING TO REMIND MY VIEWERS, IF YOU ARE JUST JOINING US, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GREAT OUTDOORS, WILDLIFE, BIRD WATCHING, NATURE PHOTOGRAPHY. IF YOU HAVE THINK QUESTIONS AT ALL PLEASE GIVE US A CALL. IN TORONTO 416-484-2727. CAN YOU ALSO DIAL LONG DANCE TOLL-FREE 1-888-411-1234. WE'LL ALSO TAKE YOUR E-MAIL QUESTIONS AT MORETOLIFEAT MORETOLIFEATTVO.ORG.

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Mary continues YOU ALSO PHOTOGRAPH INSECTS.

Michael says ABSOLUTELY.

Mary says LOTS OF INSECTS?

Michael says THEY ARE A DELIGHT TO PHOTOGRAPH.

Mary says WHY?

Michael says THEY ARE FUN TO PHOTOGRAPH.

Mary says WHY? WHAT IS IT ABOUT INSECTS?

Michael says THEY ARE AN ANIMAL. THEY HAVE MARVELOUS COLORS, SENSES, BEHAVIORS. I FIND CATERPILLARS PROBABLY THE MOST INTRIGUING GROUP OF ANIMALS TO DEAL WITH.

Mary says I'M SO GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. WE PULLED ONE OF OUR FAVORITE PHOTOS IN. NOW THIS IS A CATERPILLAR. THAT IS SO GREAT.

A close-up shot shows a caterpillar with odd wart-like yellow, red and blue spots with black specks on them.

Michael says ISN'T THAT REMARKABLE?

Mary says IT IS! IT IS SO UNUSUAL LOOKING. TELL BUS IT.

Michael says THAT IS THE CATERPILLAR OF THE SECROPHIA MOTHS THAT GO TO LIGHT IN LATE MAY, JUNE TO PEOPLE'S BACK DOORS. THE CATERPILLAR FEEDS ON A VARIETY OF THINGS... TREES, LEAVES. THOSE COLORFUL SPOTS ARE, PERHAPS, USED TO SKAER OFF PREDATORS. WHAT DO THE ORANGE SPOTS RESEMBLE TO YOU, MARY?

Mary says IS IT THE KIND OF A FRUIT OR SOMETHING OR LIKE A PLANT OR SOMETHING?

Michael says LIKE THE INSECT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

Mary says OK, LADY BUG.

Michael says THE LADY BUGS ARE ORANGE AND BLACK, AREN'T THEY? THEY ARE ALSO POISONOUS. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE BRIGHTLY COLORED TO DISPLAY THEIR TOXICITY TO OTHER ANIMALS. ONCE A BIRD EATS A LADY BUG IT SPITS IT OUT AND STOPS EATING IT. THIS MAY BE A RUSE TO KEEP THINGS AWAY FROM IT.

Mary says THIS IS COMMON YOU SAID?

Michael says SECHROPIAS ARE FAIRLY COMMON, ACTUALLY.

Mary says I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE.

Michael says A LOT OF VIEWERS HAVE PROBABLY HAD HUGE MOTHS AT THEIR PORCH LIGHT. IF IT IS A LARGE ONE WITH REDDISH BROWN WINGS IT IS PROBABLY A SECHROPIA.

Mary says OK. I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER SHOT OF A DIFFERENT CAT PITTER. I... CATERPILLAR. I FIND THIS... TALK ABOUT THE WAY NATURE OPERATES.

Another close-up shot shows a green caterpillar with yellow and black marks on its back that look like eyes.

Michael says IT IS REMARKABLE, ISN'T IT?

Mary says IT REALLY IS.

Michael says THAT IS THE TIGER TIGER CATERPILLAR. HAVING VERY LARGE EYES ON YOUR BODY YOU APPEAR TO BE A LARGER ANIMAL. THIS CATERPILLAR RESEMBLES POSSIBLY A SNAKE OR SOME OTHER LARGE ANIMAL. IF YOU'RE A BIRD LOOKING FOR FOOD AND YOU SEE THESE EYES STANDING AT YOU YOU WOULD LEAVE THIS GUY ALONE. IT'S CALLED MIMICRY. A LOT OF ANIMALS HAVE THIS.

Mary says RIGHT. I NOTICED ANOTHER PHOTO SOME SORT OF A BEATLE. IT HAD THESE HUGE FAKE EYES.

Michael says RIGHT. IT IS A COMMON THEME TO HAVE THESE FAKE EYE SPOTS. A LOT OF MOTHS HAVE THEM, TOO, ON THE HIND WINGS.

Mary says RIGHT. THE WAY NATURAL SELECTION WORKS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WHARK? INITIALLY A LONG TIME AGO THIS CATERPILLAR HAD SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE WHAT?

Michael says THE ONE WITH BIGGER SPOTS HAD A LONGER SURVIVAL RATE THAN THE ONES WITH SMALLER SPOTS. THROUGH THE CENTURIES THE ONE WITH THE LARGER SPOTS BECAME LARGER. TRAITS GET DEVELOPED THROUGH TIME.

Mary says RIGHT.

Michael says THAT'S HOW WE DEVELOP TRAITS OF DOGS FROM CHIHUAHUAS TO GREAT DANES BY CHOOSING CERTAIN CHARACTERISTICS. THE SAME THIS THE INSECTS. IF BIRDS ARE THE SELECTIVE PROCESS OR SOME OTHER PREDATOR THAT SELECTS CERTAIN ONES OUT OF THE POP LAYING THE ONES LEFT BEHIND TO MATE AND PASS ON THEIR TRAITS END UP GIVING ON THIS APPEARANCE TO FUTURE GENERATIONS.

Mary says NOW, I'VE GOT TO ASK YOU AS WELL BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT CATERPILLAR AND THE ONE BEFORE IT, THE COLORS ARE SO VIVID. ARE YOU DOING SOMETHING SPECIAL CAN WITH YOUR CAMERA?

Michael says NO. NATURE IS SO COLORFUL. THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT. IT, TRULY, IS THE BEAUTY OF IT.

Mary says SO WHAT ARE YOU USING?

Michael says PHOTOGRAPHY IS INTERESTING FOR SHADES OF GRAY, CONTRAST. IT'S A COLORFUL THING.

Mary says WHAT ARE YOU USING? TELL US WHAT YOU HAVE WITH YOU?

Michael says NOTHING REALLY. THE COLORS ARE PICKED UP BY THE FILM. FUJJI CHROMA VELVETIA PUMPS COLORS UP A LITTLE BIT. SOME OF THOSE WERE SHOT WITH FILM THAT REALLY CAPTURES IT.

Mary says IT MUST BE DIFFICULT, TOO. ANOTHER SURVIVAL ASPECT WOULD BE CAMOUFLAGE, RIGHT? YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW SHOTS OF INSECTS THAT HAVE MANAGED TO CAMOUFLAGE THEMSELVES WITH THEIR BACKGROUND. THAT MUST BE A DIFFICULT PHOTO TO TAKE BECAUSE THEY BLEND IN. THEY BLEND IN WITH THE BACKGROUND.

Michael says YES. TOP FIND THEM THEY ARE HID SON WELL USUALLY. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S A GOOD PHOTOGRAPH IF IT SHOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NATURE. IF YOU HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH OF AN ANIMAL, IT'S HARD TO SEE BECAUSE THERE IS BLENDING OF THE BACKGROUND. THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING IF THEY ARE INTENTIONALLY DOING THAT.

Mary says IS THERE ANY ONE THAT YOU ARE MOST PROUD OF?

Michael says I CAN'T SAY THAT I'M PROUD OF ANY ONE PHOTOGRAPH. I CAN SAY THERE'S A FLAW AND I WANT TO DO BETTER. I'VE BEEN PLEASED WITH ALLOWING THE ANIMAL TO LET ME PHOTOGRAPH IT IN THE CASE OF OF WOLFS OR MORE ELUSIVE ANIMALS I'M PLEASED TO GET AN ANIMAL THAT'S SHY. I CANE SAY I'M PROUD OF ONE SHOT IN PARTICULAR.

Mary says LET'S SEE THIS SHOT. TELL ME THE BACKGROUND THERE. THIS GUY DOESN'T LOOK TOO HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

A picture shows a fluffy red fox sitting in snow, yawning.

Michael says AND HAPPY WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHS. HE'S YAWNING.

Mary says HE'S YAWNING? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A YAWN.

Michael says THIS IS A FABULOUS MOMENT FOR ME. I SPENT I THINK IT WAS A TOTAL OF 16 HOURS IN THE BLIND OF WINTER TRYING TO PHOTOGRAPH WOLFS THAT. WAS A DEER CARCASS. THAT WAS A SUCCESS. I HAD A FOX CARCASS BUT NOT THE WOLVES. WHEN I WAS SNOWSHOEING I SAW THIS FOX ABOUT HALF A KILOMETRE AWAY AND USE THAT CALL THE SQUEAK OF THE SQUEAL ON THE BACK OF MY HAND.

Mary says OK.

Michael says IT CAME ACROSS THE OPEN AREA TOWARD ME, SAT DOWN, YAWNED, AND RAN AWAY. I HAD TIME FOR TWO PHOTOGRAPHS ONLY BEFORE IT WAS GONE. THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO PHOTOGRAPHS. SO I WAS THRILLED THAT IT CAME BACK PROPERLY EXPOSED AND SHOWING THE WONDERFUL TOOLS THAT THIS ANIMAL HAS FOR SURVIVAL. YOU CAN SEE THE CANINE TEETH USED FOR TEARING FLESH. MOLARS WERE GRINDING. THEY FEEL ON FRUIT AS WELL AS SMALL ANIMALS. THIS SHOT I WAS PLEASED BECAUSE IT HAS ALL OF THE ELEMENTS THERE OF THE ANIMAL.

Mary says OK, OK. TO MY UNTRAINED EYES, OF COURSE, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND THINKING, OH, THAT FOX LOOKS ANGRY. IN FACT, IF IT WAS ANGRY, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE?

Michael says I'VE NEVER SEEN A FOX ANGRY AT ME. I'VE SEEN FOXES SCARED AND HIGHTAILING IT AWAY. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT AN ANGRY ONE LOOKS LIKE. PERHAPS SNARLING.

Mary says BUT NOT OPENING ITS MOUTH LIKE THAT.

Michael says NOT AT ALL.

Mary says LET'S GO TOP LYNN IN OTTAWA. HI, LYNN.

The Caller says OH, HI, GOOD AFTERNOON TO BOTH OF YOU. I WANT TO SAY I ENJOY YOUR SHOW VERY MUCH. I TRY TO CATCH IT AS OFTEN AS I CAN.

Mary says THANK YOU.

The Caller says MY QUESTION TODAY HE I'VE HEARD THAT WE HAVE CARDINALS NOT TOO FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE IN OTTAWA. WHAT CAN I DO TO MAKE THEM COME TO MY HOUSE?

Michael says OK. CARDINALS ARE VERY COMMON IN OTTAWA. THEY'RE AN AMAZING BIRD. THEY ARRIVED IN ONTARIO I THINK IN 1905. IT'S BEEN FAIRLY RECENT WHEN THEY CAME HERE. THEY CAME HERE BECAUSE OF BIRD FEEDERS. THEY DON'T MIGRATE USUALLY. THEY SPEND THE YEAR WHERE THEY ARE FOUND. AND BIRD FEEDERS FULL OF SUNFLOWER SEEDS HAVE KEPT THEM ARRIVING HERE NICELY. THEY ARRIVED IN OTTAWA 50 YEARS AGO. CARDINALS LIKE TWO THINGS WITH WINTER SURVIVAL. THEY LOVE SUNFLOWER SEEDS AS A FOOD SOURCE, BUT THEY ALSO LOVE COVER. THEIR FAVORITE KOOFR IS A CEDAR HEDGE. THEIR FAVOURITE COVER IS A CEDAR HEDGE. IF YOU GET ONE OF THOSE I GUARANTEE YOU THAT THEY'LL BE THERE.

Mary says OK. WHAT KIND OF BIRDS ARE WE LIKELY TO SEE HERE?

Michael says IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF BIRD SEED. SUNFLOWER SEEDS WILL ATTRACT FINCHES RANGING FROM HOUSE FINCHES TO GOLDFINCHES. THEY NEST HERE AS WELL BUT THEY ARE HIGHLY MIGRATORY. SOME WINTERS YOU MIGHT HAVE BLUE JAYS COMING TO THE FEEDERS.

Mary says YEAH, I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW BLUE JAYS.

Michael says THE GENERAL RUN OF BIRDS WILL BE THERE. IF YOU PUT OUT SMALLER SEEDS WHICH CONTAIN THE SMALL MILLETT YOU'LL GET SPARROWS COMING AS WELL. THE UNIVERSAL IS SUNFLOWER SEEDS. YOU'LL GET FINCHES AND BLUE JAYS.

Mary says IF I DO THAT CALL MAYBE, RIGHT?

Michael says YOU MIGHT.

Mary says I'M REALLY EAGER ON GETTING THAT CALL. LET'S GO TO HANS.

The Caller says HELLO.

Mary says GO AHEAD.

The Caller says I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT BIRDS THAT GATHER IN DENSE TREETOPS. THEY MAKE A LOT OF NOISE. AND SQUIRRELS. SOMETIMES THEY MAKE A DISSTRESS CALL. WHAT IS THAT ABOUT? WHERE DO THEY SLEEP IN THE WINTER?

Michael says GOOD QUESTIONS.

Mary says YEAH.

Michael says THE BIRDS ARE PROBABLY BLACK BIRDS WHICH ARE COLONIAL ROOSTERS. WHEN THEY ROOST FOR THE NIGHT THEY GATHER IN LARGE NUMBERS. IN THE FALL ESPECIALLY YOU SEE HUGE FLOCKS FROM EVERYTHING FROM BLACKBIRDS TO GRACKLES. THEY ARE VERY NOISY.

Mary says GRACKLES.

Michael says GRACKLES.

Mary says WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE?

Michael says SMAIR CROW-LIKE BIRDS. THEY HAVE BRIGHT EYES. THEY ARE VERY AGREE GAIRIS DURING THE MIGRATION SEASON. THEY ARE VERY GREGARIOUS DURING THE MIGRATION SEASON. THE REASON THAT THEY NEST OR NOT NEST BUT ROOST IN LARGE NUMBERS IS FOR SAFETY REASONS. THERE ARE PREDATORS THAT HUNT THEM AT NIGHT ESPECIALLY OWLS. IF YOU'RE SITTING BY YOURSELF IN A TREE YOU'RE FAIR GAME FOR AN OWL. IF YOU'RE SITTING IN A TREE WITH 100 OF YOUR KIN AROUND YOU THEN THE ODDS ARE BETTER YOU ARE SURVIVING AN OWL'S VISIT. SO THE ROOSTING IN NUMBERS IS PROBABLY DESIGNED AS A SAFETY FEATURE FOR THE BIRDS. THE NOISE THEY GET MAY BE DESIGNED TO DRAW MORE OF THEIR KIND TO INCREASE THE NUMBERS AROUND THEM.

Mary says HMM.

Michael says THAT'S THE BIRD QUESTION.

Mary says RIGHT. AND THE SQUIRREL QUESTION ABOUT DISTRESS CALLS.

Michael says WHERE DO THEY SLEEP IN THE WINTER.

Mary says THE SOUNDS FIRST. DO THEY MAKE A LOT OF SOUNDS?

Michael says SQUIRRELS ARE QUITE VOCAL. WHY THEY GIVE THESE CALLS I DON'T KNOW THE REASON FOR THAT. THE CALLS THAT THEY GIVE ARE HARD TO LOCATE. MAYBE THE CALLS THAT THEY ARE GIVING ARE THERE TO CONFUSE A PREDATOR. WHERE IS THIS CALL COMING FROM, PERHAPS? AND IN THE WINTER I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. THE GREY SQUIRRELS SPEND THE WINTER IN HALLOW TREES. THEY MAKE NESTS IN THE SUMMERTIME. THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE BORN. IN THE WINTER THEY ARE INSIDE HALLOW TREES THAT LINED WITH LEAVES. THAT'S A GOOD SPOT. RED SQUIRRELS CAN USE HALLOW TREES. SOME BUILD BEAUTIFUL MOSS NESTS AS WELL IF YOU'RE IN A MORE NORTHERN AREA WHERE THERE ARE NOT HALLOW TREES. EVEN HOLES IN THE GROUND CAN BE FOR RED SQUIRRELS, TOO. THE COMMON SQUIRREL IN THE OTTAWA, TORONTO AREA IS THE GREY SQUIRREL, WHICH CAN BE JET BLACK.

Mary says OK.
DO YOU KNOW CHIP AND DALE?

Michael says YES.

Mary says ARE THEY FRIENDLY?

Michael says NOT PARTICULARLY. CHIPMUNKS ARE INTERESTING. THEY DON'T SPEND THE WINTER IN TRUE HIBERNATING BUT UNDER UNDERGROUND WHERE THEY FEED ON FOOD. THEY DON'T SPEND THE WINTER IN TRUE HIBERNATION. ONCE CHIPMUNKS ARE STORING THEIR FOOD ONE CAN STEAL THAT AND PUT IT IN THEIR OWN STORAGE. THEY ARE NOT REALLY SOCIAL ANIMALS. THEY GET ALONG QUITE NICELY. THEY ARE QUITE VICIOUS TOWARDS ONE ANOTHER.

Mary says OK. THAT'S A FALLACY THEN. HOW ARE YOU?

The Caller says FINE, THANKS. I'M THOROUGHLY ENJOYING THE SHOW.

Mary says THANKS.

The Caller says MIKE I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE TYPE OF WORK THAT I DO WHICH IS A PHARMACEUTICAL REPRESENT IN THE FAR NORTH. THE VEHICLE THAT I DRIVE IS NOT QUITE SUITABLE TO THAT SORT OF TERRAIN. BUT I'VE OFTEN BEEN WARNED ABOUT MOOSE. SO IF I EVER DO COME ACROSS ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD DO YOU HAVE ANY SORTS OF TIPS ON WHAT I SHOULD DO IF I DO ENCOUNTER THAT?

Michael says OK. AGAIN, WITH THE MOOSE, THE ONLY TIME THAT BULLS ARE AGGRESSIVE REALLY IS THE FALL MATING SEASON. IT'S BEEN I THINK REPORTED IF PEOPLE USE CAR HORNS ON BULL MOOSE IT MIGHT ATTRACT THEM, NOT DISCOURAGE THEM FROM COMING NEAR YOU. I HAVEN'T HAD THAT EXPERIENCE. I HAVE HONKED BEFORE AT MOOSE AND HAD... AND HAVE NOT HAD ONE THAT HAS CHARGED THE CAR. IF THERE'S A MOOSE BLOCKING THE ROAD JUST, PERHAPS, SIT STILL IN THE CAR AND LET IT DO IT THINGS. IT MAY JUST LEAVE THE ROAD EVENTUALLY. AGAIN, IT'S ONLY DURING THE MATING SEASON THOSE FEW WEEKS IN THE FALL WHEN THEY CAN BE AGGRESSIVE. OTHER TIMES OF THE YEAR THEY SHOULD JUST RUN OFF OF THE ROAD WHEN APPROACH THEM.

Mary says OK. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TALK A MINUTE ABOUT YOUR OUTDOOR CLASSROOM THAT YOU HAD IN ALGONQUIN PARK. YOU INTRODUCED THEM TO A BEAVER LODGE.

Michael says RIGHT.

Mary says TELL US ABOUT THAT. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE CLIP.

Michael says EACH SIGHTING. FOR ME IT WAS EXCITING. BEAVER LODGES ARE THE HOUSES, BEAVER HOUSES.

Mary says WHERE THEY GO FOR WEEKLY MEETINGS.

Michael says RIGHT, THE LODGE. BEAVERS TO NOT HIBERNATE. THEY LEAVE THEIR FOOD UNDER THE LODGE, DINE ON IT. THE LODGE IS THEIR RESTAURANT, AS WELL AS THEIR BEDROOM AS WELL THROUGH THE WINTER MONTHS. BEAVERS HAVE TO BREATHE AIR. THEY'RE MAMMALS.

Mary says RIGHT.

Michael says IT HAS INSURANCE EWE LAYING FOR WINTER COLD. THEY PUT MUD ON THE SIDE OF THE STICKS. THE LODGE IS A THICK STRUCTURE, A WHOLE SET OF STICKS STUCK TOGETHER. THE MUD'S ON THE OUTSIDE AS INSURANCE EWE LAYING. THE TOP PART OF THE LODGE HAS LITTLE MUD PUT ON IT. IT IS KEPT OPEN. THAT ALLOWS AIR TO PERCOLATE IN AND OUT. BECAUSE THE TOP IS NOT SEALED WITH MUD, THE HEAT RISES TO THE CHIMNEY AND MELTS THE SNOW. THEY ARE GOING TO A BEAVER LODGE IN WINTER. YOU CAN TELL IF IT'S AN ACTIVE LODGE OR INACTIVE IF THERE'S A HOLE ON TOP THAT HAS BEEN MELTED BY THE BEAVER'S HEAT INSIDE.

Mary says OK. WE HAVE A CLIP RIGHT NOW SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT RIGHT NOW.

In a clip, Michael leads a group of about a dozen teenagers in winter up to a beaver lodge covered in snow.

Michael says THIS IS OBVIOUS IT'S A BEAVER HOUSE. IT IS EMPTY OR IN USE. ONE OF THE OTHER. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

A teenager says IT'S IN USE.

Michael says HOW COME?

The teenager points at the top of the lodge.

Michael says THERE IS NO MUD ON THE TOP BUT AIR IS COMING UP THROUGH THE STICK LIKE A CHIMNEY FOR THEM TO BREATHE. THE SNOW IS MELTED AWAY. THERE'S CRYSTALS THERE. THE BE FRONT DOWN HERE WHAT DO YOU SEE?
THE BEAVER HAD A HOLE IN THE ICE.
Also, LOOK AT THOSE STICKS COMING OUT. THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE LODGE. IT A FOOD PILE. THEY STORE FOOD FOR THE WINTER. FIRST IT'S A FOOD PILE. SECONDLY THERE'S A HOLE HERE IN THE ICE OPENED BY THE BEAVERS EARLIER ON. THE MOST IMPORTANT SIGN THE HOT AIR HAS COME UP THROUGH A NATURAL CHIMNEY THROUGH THE STICKS AND THE SNOW HAS MELTED AWAY THIS CRYSTALS. IF YOU WANT TO SEE THIS A LITTLE CLOSER YOU CAN LOOK HERE AND HAVE A LOOK.
LOOK RIGHT UP.

Michael and the teenagers climb onto the beaver lodge and look down the opening on the top.
Then, a picture of a beaver standing on snow appears briefly.

Michael says HUNTING VISITORS ON THE FRONT DOORSTEP.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Mary says THAT'S PRETTY STRONG. I THINK I HEARD ONE OF THE GIRLS SAY, OOH, I DON'T WANT TO DAMAGE ANYTHING HERE.

Michael says YOU CAN'T BREAK THROUGH THAT.
WOLFS WILL SMELL IT AND THEY'LL TRY TO BREAK IN BY DIGGING.

Mary says RIGHT.
THAT CLASS, OF COURSE, WAS SPECIAL TO THE PROGRAM SUPER TEACHERS, BUT YOU DO TEACH REGULARLY AT CARLTON UNIVERSITY. YOU TEACH A NATURAL HISTORY COURSE.

Michael says RIGHT.

Mary says I UNDERSTAND IT'S PACKED, RIGHT? YOU GET 2,000 STUDENTS A YEAR?

Michael says IT HAS BEEN AS LARGE AS 1,400 STUDENTS. IT IS A PRETTY BIG CLASS.

Mary says WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT TEACHING? IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY IMPORTANT TO YOU.

Michael says I LOVE TEACHING. I LOVE HAVING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND NATURE. PRESERVATION IS ESSENTIAL. TO WANT TO PRESERVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO APPRECIATE IT. TO APPRECIATE IT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND IT. MY SIMPLE GOAL IS TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT NATURE. IF I CAN GIVE SOME INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND NATURE AND TO APPRECIATE NATURE THEN THEY WILL WANT TO PRESERVE IT. TEACHING PROVIDES A FOUNDATION FOR PRESERVATION INDIRECTLY.

Mary says OK. LET'S TRY TO GET ANOTHER CALL. WE'VE GOT MARNA ON THE LINE. HI.

The Caller says HI THERE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE DO THE LOANS GO WHEN THEY LEAVE. ALSO DORK BEARS LEAVE SOME.

Michael says A GOOD QUESTION. THE LOANS. MOST OF OUR LOANS HEAD DOWN TO THE EASTERN SEABOARD OF THE STATES FOR THE WINTER TIME. THAT'S REMARKABLE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT THESE BIRDS FEED ON FRESH WATER FISH ALL SUMMER LONG AND THEN ON SALT WATER FISH IN THE WINTER MONTHS.

Mary says THEY JUST CHANGE THEIR DIET LIKE THAT?

Michael says THEY CHANGE THEIR DIET. OCEANIC BIRDS HAVE SALT GLANDS IN THEIR NOSTRILS FOR EJECTING SALTS FROM THEIR DIET. LOANS DON'T HAVE THAT. HOW SALT IS DEALT WITH, I DON'T KNOW. THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT OUR LOANS GO DOWN TO THE EASTERN SEABOARD OFTEN OFF OF THE CAROLINAS DOWN TO FLORIDA REGION FOR THE WINTER.

Mary says OK. WHAT ABOUT BEARS? DO THEY LEAVE ONE?

Michael says THEY LEAVE A SCENT. A LOT OF ANIMALS USE THESE SCENTS TO ATTRACT THE OPPOSITE SEX. BEARS CERTAINLY HAVE PHEROMONES, WHICH IS THE SCENT. BEARS SMELL ALMOST SKUNK-LIKE. IF YOU'RE IN THE NORTHERN FOREST WHERE BEARS ARE AROUND AND SMELL A SKUNK THE ODDS ARE FAIRLY GOOD YOU'VE SMELLED A BLACK BEAR.

Mary says YOU TRY TO INSPIRE WHETHER IT IS CHILDREN, THE STUDENTS ABOUT NATURE. WHO INSPIRES YOU?

Michael says NATURE INSPIRES ME.

Mary says AREN'T THERE ANY OTHERS? NATURALISTS, PHOTOGRAPHERS? ANYONE ELSE THAT YOU LOOK TO AND YOU'RE INSPIRED BY THEM? ANY HUMANS?

Michael says ISN'T IT TERRIBLE TO SAY THAT I ADMIRE PEOPLE FOR THEIR PRESERVATION WORK, EDUCATIONAL WORK. THE TRUE INSPIRATION COMES FROM NATURE DIRECTLY. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY FOR ME. I'VE BEEN NOT REALLY A PEOPLE PERSON MUCH OF MY LIFE. BUT I WAS SHY, INTROVERTED WHEN I WAS YOUNGER. NATURE WAS MY WORLD. SO I WOULD SAY THAT MY INSURANCE PA RAGE DOESN'T COME FROM MANY PEOPLE. IT REALLY COMES FROM THE SOURCE ITSELF, FROM NATURE.

Mary says I THINK WE CAN SQUEEZE IN ONE MORE CALL. JULIE FROM HAMILTON.

The Caller says HI.
WE HAVE AN ONGOING DEBATE ABOUT FEEDING BIRDS. DO WE STOP FEEDING THEM WHEN SUMMERTIME COMES? WHAT IS THE ANSWER?

Michael says WELL FROM A NATURAL POINT OF VIEW FEEDERS DON'T PLAY A BIG ROLE IN MOST BIRDS' LIVES. IN FACT IN WINTER YOU MAY NOTICE THAT SOME YEARS YOU HAVE A CERTAIN KIND OF BIRD. OTHER YEARS NONE. THEY CAN BE THERE IN NUMBERS. IF A FOOD IS PRESENT IN THE FOREST THEY WILL BE AT YOUR FEEDERS. IF IT IS NOT THERE THEY MIGRATE FARTHER SOUTH. SOME STAY YEAR ROUND LIKE CHICKADEES LIKE CARDINALS. FEEDERS AFFECT THEM TO SOME EXTENT. FOR THE MOST PART FEEDERS DON'T MAKE IT OR BREAK IT FOR A BIRD IN WINTER. THEY ARE ANOTHER SOURCE OF FOOD. LIKE CARDINALS. FEEDERS ATTRACT BIRDS THAT WOULDN'T BE THERE NORMALLY. THEY TRAVEL IN THE WINTER. UNTIL YOU GET LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF SPECIES. THERE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM, CERTAIN EYE PROBLEMS BEING PASSED FROM BIRDS TO EACH OTHER. FEEDERS CAN BE UNNATURAL FOR THAT ASPECT. THEY DO LITTLE TO AFFECT THE POPULATION OF BIRDS AND DO MORE TO ENHANCE THEIR ENJOYMENT OF THEM. MY PERSONAL FEELING IS FEEL THE BIRDS YEAR ROUND IF YOU LIKE. BE AWARE THERE CAN BE A FEW CONSEQUENCES. ONE THAT DISEASE CAN BE PASSED OCCASIONALLY.

Mary says NOW, WOULD THAT BE THE SAME AS WELL FOR SQUIRRELS AND CHIPMUNKS? WHAT IF YOU HAD A HABIT AND THEY CAME TO EXPECT IT AND YOU ALWAYS FED THEM THROUGH THE WINTER. IF YOU STOPPED FEEDING THEM WOULD THAT BE A PROBLEM?

Michael says WITH SQUIRRELS PROBABLY NOT AGAIN. SQUIRRELS DO STORE FOOD FOR THE WINTER. THE GRAY SQUIRREL DOES. THE RED MAKES HUGE PILES OF CONES IN THE FOREST.

Mary says I'LL HAVE TO STOP YOU THERE. I'M SORRY WE RAN OUT OF TIME. THANKS FOR THE WEALTH OF INFORMATION. REALLY ENJOYED HAVING YOU IN.

Michael says MY PLEASURE.

Mary says MICHAEL RUNTZ IS AN AWARD WINNING PHOTOGRAPHER, PROLIFIC AUTHOR, "WILD WINGS, WILD FLOWERS, WILD THINGS" ARE A FEW OF THE TITLES. CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF OUR CALLERS. YOU'LL BE RECEIVING ONE OF THESE BOOKS. You CAN YOU ALSO SEE A PROFILE OF MICHAEL. HE'LL BE ON SUPERTEACHERS Sunday October 7th at 6 PM here on TVO.
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