Transcript: Media Literacy, Kinmount Thetre EFP, Comedy | Sep 27, 2001

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A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Life. Words spin against a red and orange background: Health, Family, Home, Money, Fitness, Life. Fast clips show images related to the previous concepts, such as a dollar bill, a wheat field, and strands of DNA.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Mary Ito sits in a studio with textured yellow walls and the logo of the show in the background, which reads "More to life."

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She's wearing a dark gray suit and a silver pendant necklace.

Mary says HELLO. I'M MARY ITO, AND WELCOME TO "MORE TO LIFE." LATER ON IN THE SHOW, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LITTLE ESCAPISM. WE HAVE COMIC JUDY CARTER COMING IN.
BUT, FIRST, THEY SAY THAT ONE OF THE FIRST CASUALTIES OF ANY WAR IS THE TRUTH. WE'VE BEEN GLUED TO ROUND THE CLOCK COVERAGE OF THE TERRORIST ATTACKS IN THE U.S. AND WE THINK WE KNOW EVERY DETAIL THAT'S HAPPENED IN NEW YORK AND WASHINGTON. BUT DO WE? TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO DISSECT MEDIA COVERAGE DURING THESE TROUBLING TIMES AND WE HAVE THE FOUNDER OF THE ASSOCIATION FOR MEDIA LITERACY, BARRY DUNCAN WITH US.

Barry is in his sixties, clean-shaven, with short, side-parted gray hair. He's wearing glasses, a brown plaid coat and a blue shirt.

Mary continues WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING AND WHAT YOU'RE LISTENING TO IN THE MEDIA? DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING FILTERED THROUGH TO YOU? PLEASE GIVE US A CALL. THE NUMBER IN TORONTO IS 416-484-2727. YOU CAN ALSO DIAL LONG DISTANCE TOLL-FREE AT 1-888-411-1234.

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary continues BARRY, WELCOME, THANKS FOR COMING IN.

Barry says GLAD TO BE HERE.

Mary says SO, WHAT KIND OF JOB HAS THMEDIA BEEN DOING SO FAR?

The caption changes to "Barry Duncan. Media Literacy Consultant."

Barry says MIXED. ON THE ONE HAND, THEY PROVIDED ON THE SITE COVERAGE AND EVERYTHING STOPPED, LIKE ALL THE NETWORKS CANCELLED THEIR REGULAR ANCHORS WHO WORKED LATE INTO THE NIGHT, PETER MUST HAVE BEEN PUT IN A 12-HOUR DAY ON BEHALF OF THE CBC AND WHO KNOWS ABOUT PETER JENNINGS AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE. I DIDN'T FOLLOW EVERYTHING. SO, THEY WERE... THEY WERE GOOD IN BEING THERE, AND TRYING TO GET INTERPRETATIONS OF SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL NOT SURE TOO MUCH ABOUT. ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF MISINFORMATION, A LOT OF RUMOURS, SOMETIMES WE CALL IT PROPER BEGAN DA, ALTHOUGH THAT COVERS A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. SO A MIXED BAG. PROPAGANDA.

Mary says ONE OF THE CRITICISMS THAT I'VE HEARD, AND THIS I THINK PERTAINS TO LATER ON, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE INITIAL EVENT SORT OF TRICKLED DOWN, THAT THE WHO AND THE WHY, YOU KNOW, TWO OF THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS IN JOURNALISM, THEY WERE OFTEN LEFT OUT.

Barry says YES. IT'S VERY EASY TO IN CONVENTIONAL SITUATIONS TALK ABOUT THE WHO AND, FOR EXAMPLE, PEARL HARBOUR, PEOPLE POINTED OUT WE KNEW WHO DID IT AND WHAT THEIR GOALS WERE. WITH THE HIJACKERS, WE KNOW AND THE TERRORISTS, WE KNOW IT'S NOT AS CERTAIN. AND, HENCE, THAT, IN MANY CASES, DRIVES PEOPLE INTO KIND OF... 11 IS THE TOWERS OR THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE, SO YOU CAN START READING IN STUFF LIKE THAT. PEOPLE, OF COURSE, HAVE A FIELD DAY IN SORT OF HALF BELIEVING IT HALF SKEPTICAL, IT BECOMES A GAME.

Mary says YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE. I MEAN, YOU'RE KIND OF A MEDIA WATCHDOG, AND YOU TALK ABOUT A LOT OF DISINFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION. IN A GENERAL SENSE, I MEAN, HOW MUCH TRUTH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN PRESENTED? DO YOU HAVE ANY SORT OF SENSE AT ALL?

Barry says WELL, I GUESS MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER THAT IS LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT. HOW MUCH HAVE WE HEARD ABOUT THE PENTAGON? AFTER ALL, IT RECEIVED MAJOR IMPACT FROM THE HIJACKED PLANE. WE HAVEN'T HEARD TOO MUCH ABOUT THAT. WE HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD, REALLY, THE FINAL THEORY AS TO WHO'S BEHIND THIS. WE KNOW THERE ARE TERRORISTS. BUT WHICH GROUP AND WE'VE GOT, SURE, WE'VE GOT SOME CONNECTIONS. BUT DID LYNN BAD ENREALLY, YOU KNOW, PERPETRATE THIS, WAS HE REALLY TELLING. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF STUFF WE DON'T KNOW WHICH THEY MAY KNOW, AND FOR SECURITY REASONS THEY MAY NOT BE GIVING US.

Mary says SO YOU BRING UP OSAMA BIN LADEN. AND THIS IS VERY DISTURBING TO MANY PEOPLE. THE FACT THAT HE HAS BEEN PRESENTED AS THE PRIME SUSPECT AND, YET, THE PUBLIC HAS SEEN NO HARD EVIDENCE ABOUT HIM ACTUALLY BEING THE perpetrator OF THIS.

Barry says WELL, THIS, OF COURSE, IS WHAT'S THE MOST WORRISOME ABOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS, IS THAT BY TRYING TO PIN THE BLAME ON HIM, WE RELIEVE OURSELVES OF THE RESPONSIBILITY, IN SOME CASES, OF TRACKING DOWN THE OTHERS. AT LEAST IN THE PUBLIC MIND, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO FOR HIM AND GET IT OVER WITH?
AND I THINK THIS IS A PROCESS THAT GOES ON WHEN WE'RE SORT OF DESPERATE TO FILL THE GAP. THERE CAN'T BE UNCERTAINTY. AND IN PREVIOUS SKIRMISHES, WARS, THERE HASN'T BEEN UNCERTAINTY. WE'VE KNOWN WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON. WE KNOW WHO THE ENEMY BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ENEMY IS PRECISELY IN THIS ENCOUNTER.

Mary says JUST TO RECAP, WE'RE TALKING TODAY ABOUT THE MEDIA AND ITS PORTRAYAL OF EVENTS THE U.S. ARE WE BEING TOLD THE WHOLE STOREY? WHAT IS PERCEPTION AND WHAT IS REALITY? IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE GIVE US A CALL TODAY. THE NUMBER IN TORONTO IS 416-484-2727. YOU CAN ALSO DIAL LONG DISTANCE TOLL-FREE AT 1-888-4 1E-1234.

The phone numbers reappear briefly.

Mary continues AND WE'VE GOT CAROLINE ON THE LINE. HELLO, CAROLINE. HI. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOUR GUEST TODAY. SINCE HE IS A MEDIA WATCHDOG, MY HUSBAND AND I ACTUALLY DECIDED TO STOP WATCHING THE TV AS OF THURSDAY, IE, TWO DAYS AFTER THE EVENT. AND ONE OF THE REASONS WAS BASICALLY THAT WE HAVE THIS ONGOING BARRAGE OF REENACTMENT OF NEW YORK OVER AND OVER AND OVER. SEVEN BY 24. AND IT MADE US EVEN ANGRIER WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE PALESTINIAN CLIP THAT WAS AN OLDER... IT WAS AN OLDER CLIP THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT EVENT. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY THAT THE MEDIA HAS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY REALLY... OR THEY DO UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT THEY HAVE ON THE REST OF THE POPULATION, BOTH PSYCHOLOGICAL AND IN TERMS OF POLITICAL SWAY?

Mary says FIRST OF ALL, LET'S JUST ADDRESS THAT RUMOUR BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN WRONG. IF YOU'D JUST LIKE TO REITERATE.

Barry says WELL, I GATHER IT WAS IN CONNECTION WITH, I THINK, THE GULF WAR. THAT THEY HAD AATTACHED... ATTACHED THAT IMAGE TO. BUT IT WAS JUST PULLED OUT, YOU KNOW, NEWS CLIPS.

Mary says THAT WAS THE RUMOUR.

Barry says RIGHT.

Mary says BUT THEN IT WAS PROVEN THAT IT WAS REAL FOOTAGE TAKEN.

Barry says RIGHT. AND THE ACTUAL FOOTAGE WAS TRUE. SO WE WENT BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS OF, YES, IT'S TRUE, NO, IT'S NOT TRUE.

Mary says SO THAT IS TRUE. ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER HER QUESTION?

Barry says WELL, OTHER THING, I CERTAINLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE IDEA OF TURNING IT OFF, ESPECIALLY WHEN THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT IT'S INEVITABLE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. LIKE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE END OF RUMOURS AND HALF TRUTHS. AND YOU KNOW, SHE'S RIGHT IN TALKING ABOUT THIS. NETWORKS HAVE GOT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE. AND SOMETIMES THEY JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS REALLY FAST. I THINK THE CBC, FOR EXAMPLE, IS LESS WILLING TO DO THAT COMPARED TO CNN OR SOME OF THE FOX NETWORKS, THAT REALLY SEEING THIS AS A KIND OF AN ARRANGEMENT OF EXPLOITATION, YOU KNOW, SENSATIONALISM, PEOPLE JUMPING OFF TOWERS, THAT KIND OF FOOTAGE.

Mary says THEY DID EVENTUALLY DECIDE TO STOP RUNNING THAT FOOTAGE. DID YOU FEEL THAT WAS TOO LATE?

Barry says I THINK IT WAS TOO LATE BECAUSE, I MEAN, THAT IMAGE, THERE WERE SOME MAGAZINES AND NEWSPAPERS THAT ACTUALLY PRINTED THAT, THAT YOU COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE OR THREE PEOPLE JUMPING. SO, THAT IMAGE BECOMES INDELIBLE IN PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED IT. IT'S SURELY IS EXPLOITATION.

Mary says HOW DO YOU THINK CNN HAS FARED IN ALL OF THIS?

Barry says WELL, THEY HAVE BEEN THE NETWORK THAT HAVE EXPLOITED EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF MAKE IT REALLY MORE... I MEAN, IT'S HORRENDOUS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WAYS IN WHICH YOU CAN KIND OF DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM IT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CUT AWAY TO SOMETHING ELSE. YOU CAN HAVE MORE COMMENTARY. BUT THEY... IT'S THIS REPETITION WHICH SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S THIS NAUSEATING REPETITION, THAT I THINK IS VERY UPSETTING. THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT, YOU KNOW, LITTLE KIDS IN PARTICULAR GET NIGHTMARES OVER. AND IT'S UNNECESSARY. I MEAN, JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING IS ENOUGH WITHOUT HAVING TO RETURN TO THE BILLOWING SMOKE AND THAT FIREBALL WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND PLANE CRASHED INTO THE SOUTH TOWER.

Mary says OKAY. LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL NOW. WE'VE GOT TIFFANY FROM NEW LITHGUARD ON THE LINE. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says SURE. A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE PUBLIC IS ACTUALLY AWARE OF ALL THE ATROCITIES THAT THE U.S. HAS BEEN PARTY TO IN THE PAST FEW DECADES. AND INCIDENTALLY, 20 YEARS TO THE DAY PRIOR TO THE NEW YORK INCIDENT, THE U.S. HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN OVERTHROWING THE GOVERNMENT AND ASSASSINATED SALVADOR BECAUSE OF IDEOLOGICAL DIFFERENCES. SO THE SENTIMENTS THAT CANADIANS HAVE IS DEFINITELY INFLUENCED BY THE NEWS AND HOW MUCH OF THIS TRUTH ARE WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING, THE TWO SIDES, THE DIFFERENCES IN MORALS AND, I MEAN, MUSLIM... I GUESS GROUP OF PEOPLE, LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON THIS. BUT BEING BROTHERS, THE LITTLE BROTHER OF THE U.S. AND, YOU KNOW, SO CLOSELY ASSOCIATED AND INFLUENCED BY THE AMERICANS, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK CANADIANS ACTUALLY KNOW ABOUT, WELL, WHAT THE U.S. ITSELF HAS DONE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, EVEN HIROSHIMA WAS, YOU KNOW.

Mary says YOU BRING UP MANY, MANY DIFFERENT POINTS. LET'S TALK FIRST ABOUT PROPAGANDA. YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT WHAT YOU FEEL HASN'T BEEN IN MAINSTREAM MEDIA. LET'S TALK ABOUT NOW WHAT WE ARE BEING TOLD. THE WORD PROPAGANDA MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SLIPPERY SUBJECTIVE WORD.

Barry says RIGHT.

Mary says AND, SO, I MEAN, IT'S HISTORICAL CONTEXT, THAT'S IMPORTANT, SET OF VALUES. BUT IN YOUR OPINION, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PROPAGANDA THAT WE ARE BEING TOLD RIGHT NOW?

Barry says WELL, THE PROPAGANDA IN PART FROM YOUR PREVIOUS CALLER WHERE SHE WAS ADDRESSING THE THINGS THAT THE U.S. HAS DONE, IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY PLEASANT, SUCH AS CHILE, ONE COULD INCLUDE THE BOMBING OF IRAQ, WHICH HAS CONTINUED, THE DEATH OF OVER 100,000 CHILDREN, OVER A PERIOD OF A FEW YEARS. CHILI. BECAUSE OF U.S. INTERVENTION.

Mary says PREVIOUS INVOLVEMENT IN AFGHANISTAN.

Barry says AND AFGHANISTAN AND SO ON. CHILE. SO ALL THIS STUFF TENDS TO BE PUSHED OFF TO THE SIDE BECAUSE THE MESSAGE IS, WE'VE GOT TO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, WE'VE GOT TO GET OVER THERE AND FIND THE PERPETRATORS, AMERICA IS STRONG, AMERICA HAS... IS GOING TO FIGHT BACK AND WE HAD ALL THOSE GRAPHICS, YOU KNOW, AMERICA FIGHTS BACK, AMERICA RESPONDS. SO THE NETWORKS TEND TO ANCHOR EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING THAT'S POSITIVE, THAT IS HEROIC, THAT IS CONNECTED WITH THE AMERICAN SPIRIT, LIKE FLAG SALES WENT ABSOLUTELY CRAZY. AND IN PLAZAS IN THE UNITED STATES, THEY PLAY JOHN PHILLIPS SUES AMARCHES SO THE MILITARISTIC AURORA TO EVERYTHING TENDS TO SWEEP PEOPLE AWAY AND THE NETWORKS UNDERSTANDABLY PLAY INTO IT BECAUSE IT MAKES GREAT COVERAGE, BUT IT NEGLECTS TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ATROCITIES. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO SOFT PEDAL IT OR IGNORE IT, BUT THE FACT IS, THE ALTERNATIVE MEDIA ARE BRINGING THAT TO THE SURFACE. SO THERE'S A MESSAGE HERE, DON'T JUST LOOK AT THE MAINSTREAM SOURCES. IF YOU GO TO THE INTERNET, YOU CAN FIND ALL THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVE SOURCES OF NEWS.

Mary says BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WASN'T JUST THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WHO WANTED TO RALLY THE PEOPLE BEHIND THEM. THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES WANTED TO RALLY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY WERE CRYING FOR ACTION. THEY THEMSELVES.

Barry says PEOPLE WOULD SIGN UP INSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, MY COUNTRY, RIGHT OR WRONG, JUST SHOW ME THE ROUTE, I'LL BE THERE.

Mary says AND WHAT ABOUT BUSH AND ALL THIS? WHAT ABOUT HIS IMAGE? BEFORE WE EVEN WERE INVOLVED IN THIS, I THINK HIS POPULARITY RATING WAS SOMETHING LIKE 50 percent. AND, I MEAN, THE WAY HE TALKED AND HIS INTELLECTUAL PROWESS, A LOT OF JOKES MADE ABOUT THAT. THREE WEEKS LATER, WE FIND HE'S UP OVER 80 percent, AND EVEN THESE HARD-LINE DEMOCRATS ARE BACKING HIM. WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THESE PAST THREE WEEKS?

Barry says WELL, I THINK THERE IS A SENSE THAT IF THE COUNTRY IS NOT UNITED AT THE GOVERNMENT LEVEL, THAT THIS CAMPAIGN WILL NOT BE... YOU KNOW, WILL NOT BE ADDRESSED OR CARRIED OUT APPROPRIATELY. SO, I THINK THEY JUST SORT OF HUNKER DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE DEMOCRATS SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, AND THAT SPEECH, HE GOT 29 OVATIONS. PEOPLE STOOD UP 29 TIMES.

Mary says DO YOU THINK THAT WAS THE TURNING POINT?

Barry says I THINK THAT'S GOT TO BE THE TURNING POINT BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, HE HAD A TELEPROMPTER, HE DIDN'T HAVE TO IMPROVISE. WHICH HE'S HAD TO DO ON SOME OTHER OCCASIONS. AND, THEREFORE, HE WAS VERY LUCID, HE WAS VERY POWERFUL, IT WAS... IT WAS A GOOD PERFORMANCE. AND THAT MADE THE DIFFERENCE.

Mary says OKAY. LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALL. WE'VE GOT KADEGA ON THE LINE FROM SCARBOROUGH. HI. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says THE REASON FOR MY CALL IS THAT COMMENT ON HOW MUCH THE MEDIA, HOW MUCH RESPONSIBILITY IS THE MEDIA TAKING FOR THE RUMOURS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS INCIDENT, WHAT HAS OCCURRED WITH THE TERRORISM. AND WHEN I SAY RUMOURS, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT IS MUSLIMS BEING INVOLVED IN THIS AS THEM BEING THE BAD GUYS, AS THEM BEING THE TERRORISTS. AND WHEN I SEE SO MANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES SUPPORTING THE U.S. AND WHEN I SEE THE MULTICULTURAL TURISM IN THE U.S. AND IN CANADA I LOOK INTO THE CULTURE AND SAY, WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO PROMOTE? BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD WHEN YOU'RE IN THE SITUATION WHERE LIKE MYSELF TO VALUE OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS, YOU KNOW, TO LIVE IN THAT KIND OF A DIVERSE CULTURE AND RESPECT IT AND NOW I'M TEACHING MY KIDS TO RESPECT THAT AND TO LIVE IN THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT. SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT IMAGE TO... BAD IMAGE TO SAY THAT ALL MUSLIM PEOPLE ARE BAD BECAUSE THIS HAPPENED. AND IN THE MUSLIM RELIGION, UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TOOTH FOR TOOTH AND INNOCENT PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE KILLED, THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE. AND ALSO WE DON'T SAY THAT WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING, WHEN TERRORISM OR SOMEBODY KILLS SOMEONE, WE DON'T SAY THAT THEY'RE A HERO OR THEY'RE THIS OR THEY'RE THAT.

Mary says LET'S ASK BARRY THAT. DO YOU FEEL THAT THE MEDIA HAS BEEN UNFAIR IN ITS PORE TRAILER OF THE MUSLIM COMMUNITIES?

Barry says WELL, IN THE PAST THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY TELLING EXAMPLES OF WHERE THEY HAVE BLOWN IT. PORTRAYAL. WHEN THE... IN THE OKLAHOMA BOMBING, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHO HAD DONE THAT. THEY TALKED ABOUT MIDDLE EASTERN-LOOKING PEOPLE BEING RESPONSIBLE AND BEING ON THE SITE. SO, THAT KIND OF RUMOUR MONGERING WAS REALLY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. IT TURNED OUT, OF COURSE, TIMOTHY McVEIGH. THEY DIDN'T SAY THIS WHITE CHRISTIAN, YOU KNOW, DID THIS.

Mary says RIGHT.

Barry says THEY WERE HOPING IT WAS A MUSLIM BECAUSE THEN THAT FITS WITH THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM THAT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DESERVE TO BE PUNISHED. SO SHE'S RIGHT. AND TO THE CREDIT OF PRESIDENT BUSH AND JEAN CHRETIEN, THEY BOTH DID SAY IN SPEECHES, SEPARATING THE MUSLIM POPULATION FROM THE TERRORISTS.

Mary says THERE HAS BEEN A HEIGHTENED SENSITIVITY TO THAT.

Barry says I THINK THAT IS GOOD. NOW, THIS DOES NOT, OF COURSE, ACCOUNT FOR OR JUSTIFY ANY OF THE HAPPENINGS, THE BURNING OF MOSQUES, THE GRAFFITI, THE SLURS YOU KNOW, TO MUSLIM PEOPLE IN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES AND AROUND THE WORLD. BUT THAT SORT OF THING HAPPENS. THIS IS THIS DEMONIZATION PROCESS WHERE YOU MAKE THE OTHER PERSON KIND OF RESPONSIBLE AND YOU MAKE EVERYBODY IN THAT GROUP RESPONSIBLE. DEMONIZATION.

Mary says BUT IS THAT REALLY THE MEDIA'S FAULT? BECAUSE I THINK THIS TIME AROUND AS YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, BUSH AND CHRETIEN HAVE BEEN CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. I'VE NOTICED MYSELF, YOU KNOW, IN THE VARIOUS NEWS PROGRAMMING, MANY OUTLETS HAVE BEEN... HAVING MUSLIM LEADERS ON, DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS, DIFFERENT SPOKES PEOPLE. I THINK THERE HAS BEEN AN ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THIS. SO, IS THAT THE MEDIA'S FAULT?

Barry says NO. I THINK WE GOT TO SEPARATE WHERE YOU CAN BLAME THE MEDIA. AND WHERE, I THINK, INDIVIDUALS ARE RESPONSIBLE. I MEAN, IT IS TRUE, ONE CAN EVEN SAY, LOOK, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE FILMS, LIKE THE SIEGE, INDEPENDENCE DAY, OR THE ONE THAT WAS FORTHCOMING WITH ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, COLLATERAL DAMAGE, HIJACKERS, YOU KNOW, BOMBINGS WITHIN CITIES, ET CETERA. AND YOU CAN SAY THAT THAT MIGHT LEGITIMATEIZE IT BUT IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR IT. IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL WHO DECIDES, YOU'RE A MUSLIM, I'M GOING TO SLANDER YOU OR WHATEVER. THIS IS TOUGH. THIS IS WHAT YOU DESERVE.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT THE ROLE OF LANGUAGE AS WELL? I MEAN, SPECIFIC WORDS THAT HAVE BEEN CHOSEN, I MEAN, WE JUST HANG ON BUSH'S SPEECHES, RIGHT, EVERY WORD. AND HE USES WORDS SUCH AS FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY VERY OFTEN TO DESCRIBE THE WEST. HE USES THE WORD "EVIL" A LOT TO DESCRIBE THE TERRORISTS. TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THOSE WORDS HAVE ON NOT ONLY ON HIS IMAGE BUT ON THE WHOLE ISSUE.

Barry says YEAH. I MEAN, LANGUAGE IS THOUGHT. IT CONDITIONS THE WAY WE LOOK AT THE WORLD. SO, IF YOU USE A LANGUAGE OR A DISCOURSE OF GOOD AND EVIL AND SORT OF SMOKE THEM OUT, WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE, THAT KIND OF IMAGERY, WHICH IS FROM WESTERNS AND STAR WARS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, THEN THAT'S THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE WORLD. AND, SO, YOU'RE... YOU'VE GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT YOUR LANGUAGE. THE GOVERNMENT LEARNED THAT SHE SHOULDN'T CALM THIS A CRUSADE BECAUSE THAT HAS GOT DIFFERENT CONNOTATIONS WITH MUSLIMS THAN IT HAS WITH CHRISTIANS. SO...

Mary says OR INFINITE JUSTICE FOR THAT MATTER.

Barry says OR INFINITE JUSTICE. CLEARLY, THEY'RE NOT GETTING PARTICULARLY GOOD ADVICE. I MEAN, IT'S A SAD FACT BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE LIVING IN THIS LITTLE ENCLOSED CIRCLE AND THEY SHOULD BE HAVING MORE INPUT THEY SHOULD HAVE MORE SENSITIVITY TO PEOPLE'S FEELINGS AND TO HOW LANGUAGE, WHICH IS ALWAYS LOADED, CAN INFLUENCE OUR THOUGHTS.

Mary says OKAY. LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALLER. WE'VE GOT JAYNE ON THE LINE FROM TORONTO. HELLO, JAMES.

The Caller says THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL. I WAS ACTUALLY IN THE STATES TWO WEEKS AGO, AND I WAS THERE FOR A FEW DAYS AFTER THIS HAPPENED. AND I HAPPENED TO TALK TO MANY PEOPLE, ACTUALLY MY BROTHER HAS A VERY BUSY BUSINESS IN AMERICA, AND, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO PRACTICALLY ALL HIS CUSTOMERS. THERE WAS NO ANGER THERE. PEOPLE ARE MOURNFUL, PEOPLE ARE AFRAID, PEOPLE ARE BEWILDERED, CONFUSED, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, BUT NO ONE IS ANGRY OR SHOUTING WAR OR, YOU KNOW, NOTHING OF THAT SORT. AND AT SOME STAGE, I REMEMBER WHEN CNN WAS... NO, IT WASN'T CNN. IT WAS ABC, THEY WERE SHOWING THIS SECOND WORLD WAR AND ALL THE WAY TO THE ATOMIC BOMB AND AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT THERE WAS A LINEUP IN FRONT OF THE CASH AND I WAS WATCHING THE TV, THERE WAS A SMALL TV WHERE THE CASH WAS, AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT AND THEN TURNED TO THE PEOPLE LINING UP AND I SAID, IT'S VERY FUNNY THAT THE GOVERNMENT THAT HAS USED ATOMIC BOMB AGAINST MANKIND FOR THE FIRST TIME AND THE ONLY TIME DOESN'T CALL ITSELF TERRORISTS. AND NO ONE SAID ANYTHING AGAINST IT. ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE KIND OF SMILED, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY AGREED WITH ME. AND, SEE, IF YOU LOOK... I'M PRACTICALLY MONITORING CNN. CNN IS TRUMPETING THIS, ANGER ALL THE TIME. AND THE FOUR TIMES THAT THEY HAVE DARED ACTUALLY TO INTERVIEW PEOPLE ON THE STREET, THEIR OPINION HAS BEEN 180 DEGREES OPPOSITE THAT. IN TWO CASES, THEY INTERVIEWED PARENTS WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, THE GUY SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF ANGRY... ANGER AROUND THE COUNTRY, BLAH BLAH BLAH. THE PARENTS SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT WAR. WE DON'T 0 WANT ANY PARENTS TO GO THROUGH ANYTHING LIKE WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

Mary says JAMES, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. HAVE THINGS CHANGED, HAS THIS ANGER DISSIPATED, WHAT HAVE YOU NOTICED?

Barry says WELL, I THINK TO MAKE A SWEEPING GENERALIZATION THAT THERE'S THIS PERVASIVE ANXIETY THAT WE ALL EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS IS GOING TO BE RESOLVED, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS, THERE ARE JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERED, SO IT'S MORE ANXIETY THAN IT IS ANGER. I MEAN, I THINK INITIALLY THERE WAS ANGER. AND THEN YOU REALIZE, I MEAN, THAT'S COUNTER PRODUCT I HAVE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ANGRY, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ANGRY BUT YOU CAN'T BE ANGRY DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY. YOU LITERALLY CANNOT LIVE. SO I THINK THIS ANXIETY IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED. HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. PEOPLE ARE NOT IN THE STREETS POUNDING THEIR FISTS AND SEEKING REVENGE. THERE'S A VERY SMALL GROUP THAT IS. AND THEY TEND TO GET A LOT OF COVERAGE. SO HE'S RIGHT IN SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, CNN IS LOOKING FOR ANY MOMENT THEY CAN TO KIND OF JUSTIFY THE KIND OF SUPPOSITION THEY HAVE ABOUT THESE EVENTS.

Mary says I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF FEAR AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE SECRECY THAT'S GOING ON. IF THERE IS A MILITARY STRIKE IN AFGHANISTAN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO KNOW ABOUT IT? I MEAN, WHAT EXACTLY WILL WE KNOW, CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, WESTERN SOURCES AREN'T THERE? I MEAN, WHO'S GOING TO COVER IT FOR US?

Barry says WELL, RIGHT. I MEAN, THERE ARE ALWAYS NETWORKS AROUND OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES THAT CAN GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION. BUT, AGAIN, IF THE MEDIA ARE NOT THERE, HAS IT HAPPENED. AND THERE IS THAT SENSE THAT UNLESS IT'S COVERED, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER OR YOU'VE GOT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU GET THE FOOTAGE. SO, THERE IS A PROBLEM. AND, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE THE MEDIA EVERYWHERE. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. IN PARTICULARLY IF IT GOES INTO AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE IT'S A COUNTRY THAT WE NOW KNOW IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN A WAR IN. THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GEOGRAPHY PREVENTS THAT.

Mary says WHAT DO WE DO THEN?

Barry says AGAIN, WE HAVE TO HAVE REFLECTIVE SKEPTICISM ABOUT ALL THE SOURCES OF NEWS. AND WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. WE MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE MORE TOMORROW. WE HAVE NOT GOT ALL OF THE ANSWERS.

Mary says SO YOU SAY, OKAY, REFLECTIVE ABOUT THE SOURCES OF NEWS. THIS GENTLEMAN SAID HE WATCHES CNN NONSTOP. IS THAT A GOOD THING?

Barry says NO, IT ISN'T. I MEAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE CHANNEL SURFING. YOU SHOULD BE... I MEAN, IN CANADA, THE CBC HAS BEEN REALLY GOOD. TV ONTARIO HAS BEEN EXCELLENT IN TERMS OF STUDIO 2 AND A NUMBER OF SPECIAL PROGRAMS. YOU'VE GOT INFORMED PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING, I THINK, REALLY INSIGHTFUL JUDGMENTS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. SO YOU'VE GOT TO TAP INTO THAT AND GO TO YOUR INTERNET AND GET ALTERNATIVE SOURCES THERE BECAUSE YOU'LL FIND THAT THERE'S SEVERAL PERSPECTIVES THAT YOU'LL NEVER SEE IN MAINSTREAM MEDIA. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE NOT ONLY JUST THAT SOURCE, THE MAINSTREAM, BUT ALL THESE ALTERNATIVE SOURCES THAT GIVE YOU OTHER PERSPECTIVES.

Mary says UM-HUM. YOU SAY WE HAVE TO BE MORE DISCERNING ABOUT THE INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING. I MEAN, WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED OR HAVE WE, IN FACT, LEARNED FROM PAST MISTAKES SUCH AS THE GULF WAR? WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE GULF WAR?

Barry says WELL, THE GULF WAR, OF COURSE WAS THE MOST CENSORED WAR IN HISTORY. ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT, NOT ALL BUT MOST OF IT, WAS CLEARED BY THE PENTAGON. SO, WHAT THEY DIDN'T TELL US COULD HAVE BEEN AS IMPORTANT AS WHAT WE DID LEARN. AND, AGAIN, IT WAS ONLY THE KIND OF OUTLAW JOURNALISTS WHO DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE PENTAGON CLEARANCE THAT GAVE US THE KEY INFORMATION OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING. SO, I THINK WE LEARN THAT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK FOR THESE ALTERNATIVE SOURCES, THAT THE NEWS INCREASINGLY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN A MILITARY CAMPAIGN IS GOING TO BE CENSORED. THAT WASN'T THE CASE IN VIETNAM. IT WASN'T THE CASE IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR. I MEAN, THERE WAS SOME CENSORSHIP GOING ON. BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE GULF WAR, THERE'S NO COMPARISON.

Mary says LET'S GO TO JOEY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A CALL FROM JOEY. HELLO. HI, JOEY. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THIS IN A MUCH BROADER SCOPE. PEOPLE FROM 62 NATIONS WERE KILLED IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE. AND, ALSO, YOU ALSO HAVE THE USAGE, IF WE ARE TO LOOK AT THIS THING, I'M AN AMERICAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR THIS ACCENT OF MINE, AND I'M A GRADUATE STUDENT IN COMMUNICATION AND CULTURE, IF WE LOOK AT THIS IN A MUCH LARGER PERSPECTIVE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT NATIONS ALIGNING WITH THE U.S., IT HAPPENED ON U.S. SOIL, BUT THIS IS NOT ONLY A UNITED STATES PROBLEM. YOU'VE GOT USAGE OF THE LANGUAGE OF THE TALIBAN, CALLING US SATAN CALLING US EVIL. WHICH INSITES INCREDIBLE AMOUNTS OF THINGS. THIS MAN HAS 250 MILLION dollars AT HIS BECK AND CALL AND HE'S LETTING HIS OWN PEOPLE STARVE. SO, THERE ARE SO MANY, MANY THINGS TO THIS. AND TO KEEP CALLERS JUDGING THE U.S., I WOULD HAVE TO ASK THEM TO STEP BACK AND DO AS YOUR GUEST HAS SAID, TO LOOK AT THE MEDIA, EVEN MAKE A TRIP TO NEW YORK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S I'M GOING TO DO. I WANT TO SEE FOR MY OWN TWO EYES AND SEE WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON AND HOW THE PEOPLE ARE REACTING AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY STEP BACK BEFORE THEY MAKE SO MANY JUDGMENTS ON A FREE NATION.

Mary says THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, BECAUSE HERE, I MEAN, OUR SOURCES TEND TO BE MAINSTREAM, MEDIA SOURCES. AND ENGLISH SPEAKING SOURCES. SO WE HAVE VERY LITTLE IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN OTHER COUNTRIES, IN OTHER CULTURES.

Barry says WELL, I HAVEN'T GOT AN ANSWER TO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S A VERY INTER SPECULATIVE VIEW THAT WE'RE TAKING. ON THE NET APPARENTLY THERE ARE SOME ENGLISH-TRANSLATED PAKISTANI AND AFGHANISTAN ANY NEWSPAPERS. SO, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY'RE SAYING, THEY'RE GIVING THEIR PERSPECTIVE. SO I GUESS IF YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO BE THOROUGH AND YOU WERE GOING 0 TO TAKE UP WHAT THE LAST CALLER SAID, YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE SOURCES AS MUCH AS THE MAINSTREAM SOURCES.

Mary says FINALLY, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT CANADA HERE. AND OUR PRIME MINISTER. HOW DO YOU THINK HE'S BEEN FARING AS FAR AS HIS APPROACH, BECAUSE HE'S BEEN HIGHLY CRITICIZED LATELY.

Barry says RIGHT. WELL, I GUESS IT'S THE OLD TAP DANCE, YOU KNOW. KIND OF LIKE YES, I DO, NO, I DON'T. AND, YOU KNOW, THE STUFF ABOUT PRESIDENT BUSH LEAVING CANADA OUT OF THE SPEECH, ET CETERA.

Mary says WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT?

Barry says WELL, I DON'T REALLY KNOW. I MEAN, WHO KNOWS. I MEAN, I CAN SECOND-GUESS. I REALLY THINK IT WAS DELIBERATE TO BE QUITE HONEST. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PRESENT A CASE FOR THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL. BUT I THINK CHRETIEN HAS... I THINK HE'S TRYING TO PLAY BOTH SIDES. BUT I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT HE IS SAYING, LET'S NOT BE HASTY, LET'S BE... LET'S REFLECT ON THE SITUATION, LET'S GET EVIDENCE, LET'S NOT RUSH IN. AND TO THAT EXTENT, I'M VERY GRATEFUL.

Mary says BUT THE PUBLIC APPARENTLY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

Barry says WELL, NO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY WANT SOMETHING THAT REALLY HAS A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH, DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND WHERE HE'S NOT JUST CREATING SOUND BYTES, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE THROW A MICROPHONE AT HIM.

Mary says I CAME ACROSS A VERY INTERESTING QUOTE. I'M GOING TO READ IT QUICKLY BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TOWN. WINSTON CHURCHILL ONCE SAID IN WARTIME TRUTH IS SO PRECIOUS THAT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE ATTENDED BY A BODYGUARD OF LIES. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? IN A NUTSHELL.

Barry says I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY A BRILLIANT STATEMENT BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE REALITY OF WHAT GOES ON. THERE'S THE RHETORIC AND THEN THERE'S THE REALITY AND, YOU KNOW, IMAGES AND LANGUAGE AND MANIPULATION, IT'S A TIME OF INFORMATION overlooked IT'S A TIME WHEN WE'VE GOT TO LOOK BEHIND THE SCENES.

Mary says THANKS VERY MUCH, BARRY FOR JOINING US TODAY. BARRY DUNCAN, THE FOUNDER OF THE ASSOCIATION FOR MEDIA LITERACY. YOU CAN RAISE YOUR OWN MEDIA LITERACY BY VISITING THE ASSOCIATION'S WEBSITE. WWW.MEDIA-AWARENESS.CA OR VISIT OUR OWN WEBSITE AT...

A slate reads "Links to alternative media sources, www.tvo.org/moretolife."

Then music plays and an animated slate reads "More to Life."

Mary says OKAY. ONE WAY TO TUNE OUT THE TROUBLES OF THE WORLD, AT LEAST FOR A LITTLE WHILE, IS TO ESCAPE TO THE MOVIES. AND PERHAPS THERE'S NO BETTER PLACE TO DO THAT THAN IN KINMOUNT, ONTARIO. TINY TOWN NORTHEAST OF PETERBOROUGH HAS ONLY 300 RESIDENTS BUT ON ANY GIVEN DAY THEY CAN SEE A DOZEN MOVIES. THAT'S BECAUSE OF KEITH STATA. HIS HOME HOUSES FIVE THEATERS AND A MUSEUM THAT BOASTS THE LARGEST COLLECTION OF FILM PROJECTORS IN CANADA. HERE'S A LOOK AT KINMOUNT'S MINI MOVIE MOGUL.

A clip plays on screen showing a road sign that reads "Kinmount."

A male voice says IT ACTUALLY HAS PUT KINMOUNT ON THE MAP.

A clip shows people attending the movies.

The voice continues
WE BRING A LOT OF OUR FRIENDS UP HERE AND THEY CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY DO SEE WHEN THEY COME AND SEE THIS.

A female voice says EVERY MOVIE THAT YOU COULD EVER WANT IS UP HERE. IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.

A gray-haired man operates a film projector. Then, a black and white picture shows a teenage boy holding a small projector.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Keith Stata. Highlands Cinemas."

Keith, the man seen before handling the projector, sits inside a movie theatre. He wears glasses and is clean-shaven.

He says MY MOTHER BOUGHT ME A PROJECTOR SOMEWHERE BACK IN THE MID '50s. GETTING HARDER TO REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS NOW. BUT IT WAS SOMEWHERE... I WAS PROBABLY ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT. AND WE STARTED OUT BY PUTTING A BED SHEET UP IN THE BASEMENT AND WE SHOWED MOVIES TO THE NEIGHBOURHOOD KIDS AT TWO CENTS APIECE. BUT IT WASN'T MUCH OF A MONEY-MAKING PROPOSITION GIVEN THE FACT THAT THEY WERE EXPENSIVE AND AFTER YOU HAD SHOWN THEM ONCE AND GOT THE FIRST 2 CENTS FROM EVERYBODY IT WAS HARD TO GET THEM TO COME BACK AND WATCH THE SAME ONE AGAIN. WHEN I GOT INTO HIGH SCHOOL, WE WERE INTERESTED IN DOING FILM. WE DID SCIENCE FICTION ONE, WHICH WAS, I THINK, SEVERAL OF US PLAYED SEVERAL ROLES BECAUSE THERE WAS A SHORTAGE OF HELP.

A snippet of a homemade movie plays. The grainy footage shows teenage Keith wincing as a round object falls from the sky.

Keith continues THE TRIALS AND COURTSHIP OF MARRIAGE WAS THE NAME OF THE COMEDY WE HAD. THAT WAS FUNNY TOO BECAUSE WHEN WE MADE THESE MOVIES AS TEENAGERS I REMEMBER WE RAN THAT ONE OVER IN NORLAND IN THE HALL, AND ALMOST 100 PEOPLE CAME. AS WE CAME BACK TO KINMOUNT, TWO PEOPLE SHOWED UP.

As Keith operates a large projector, a male voice from the movie playing says U.S. AIR FORCE TRAINED TO FLY.

Keith continues I WAS INTERESTED IN ENTERTAINMENT FILMS, AND THEY WERE BEING DONE IN THE STATES. AND THE CHANCES OF SUCCESS WERE REALLY SLIM. SO I GOT OFF ON OTHER THINGS. IN '74 WENT INTO THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS BUT I WAS STILL INTERESTED IN FILM. WHICH IS WHY WHEN WE BUILT THE HOUSE IN 1979, WE ACTUALLY INCLUDED A SCREENING ROOM, WITH 50 SEATS IN IT. I PROBABLY REGRET IN SOME WAYS I DIDN'T PURSUE THE THING AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE I LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE... I LOOK AT THE MOVIES THAT THEY MAKE TODAY AND I WONDER WHO MAKES SOME OF THESE GOD-AWFUL MOVIES. YOU LOOK AT BLARE WITCH. WE AT LEAST KNEW HOW TO HOLD THE CAMERA STILL.

A snippet from The Blair Witch Project plays in which shaky footage shows a young woman running away as she screams OH, MY GOD!

Keith continues THE THEATER WAS STRICTLY A HOBBY IN THE BEGINNING. AND I REMEMBER WE LOOKED AT THE THEATER AND HOW BUSY THEY WERE AND I THOUGHT, WOW, WE'VE ONLY GOT 50 SEATS, YOU KNOW. THIS COULD BE REALLY BUSTLING, WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS. SO WE DECIDED TO HAVE RESERVED SEATS. THEY USED TO HAVE RESERVE SEATS IN TORONTO, YOU KNOW. ANYWAY, OKAY. THE FIRST NIGHT ONE PERSON SHOWED UP. SO, WE VERY QUICKLY SCRAPPED THE RESERVE SEAT CONCEPT. IT TOOK YEARS TO GET RID OF THIS. WHEN THAT THEATER WAS BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE, MORTGAGE COMPANY SAID, WE'RE PREPARED TO MORTGAGE YOUR HOUSE... A HOUSE NOT A THEATER. SO THAT WHEN YOU COME UP, YOU DON'T SEE THE THEATER ANYWHERE. THE THEATER IS ACTUALLY PARTLY UNDER GROUND AND UNDER THE SECOND STOREY OF THE HOUSE. BY 1986 I DECIDED THAT IF I WAS GOING TO SIT AROUND FOR THE ONE THEATER I MIGHT AS WELL SIT AROUND FOR TWO. WE ADDED ANOTHER THEATER, QUITE SMALL, ONLY 60 FEET. ONCE WE ADDED THAT WE STARTED TO SEE AN INCREASE IN ATTENDANCE.

Fast clips show small theatres and people buying tickets.

Keith continues IN 1988 WE DECIDED IT GOTTEN BUSY ENOUGH THAT I BETTER ADD ANOTHER THEATER. BY '91 WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THE THEATERS WERE SELLING OUT ALL THE TIME. SO WE ADDED TO NUMBER TWO, WHICH WAS ONLY 60 SEATS, WE INCREASED IT TO 150 SEATS, I REMEMBER SAYING, OKAY, THAT SHOULD DO US, IT SOLD OUT THE FIRST NIGHT. IN 1995 WE ADDED NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS 200 SEATS. WE ADDED NUMBER FIVE IN 1996, WHICH IS ABOUT 75 SEATS. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE'RE IN A TOWN OF 300 PEOPLE HERE. THIS IS NOT DOWNTOWN TORONTO. THIS IS NOT A TOWN WITH 40,000 PEOPLE AROUND IT. WE'RE IN A TOWN OF 300 PEOPLE AND WE HAD ABOUT TWO WEEKS WHEN WE WERE AVERAGING 1,000 TO 1200 PEOPLE A NIGHT AND ON... ONE NIGHT IT PEEKED WE HAD 1450 PEOPLE IN ONE SINGLE NIGHT. ALL THE THEATERS ARE CONSTRUCTED FROM OLD THEATERS. 450 THEATERS ROLLED UP INTO THIS PLACE. WE STILL HAVE SEATS FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE, FROM CINEMA BLUE IN FORT WAYNE, INDIANA, WHICH WAS A PORNO HOUSE, BUT WE DID RECYCLE THEM COMPLETELY, CLEAN THEM ALL UP, REPAINT THEM, RECLOTH THEM, RERUBBER THEM, ALL BRAND-NEW PRETTY MUCH NOW.

Fast clips show projectors from different times.

Keith continues THE PROJECTOR COLLECTION IS THE LARGEST IN CANADA. WE HAVE EARLY EDISONs FROM THE TURN OF THE CENTURY, RIGHT UP THROUGH THE '20s, DONE 0 OF SOUND... DON OF SOUND, THE UNITS FROM WESTERN ELECTRIC. IT'S NOT EASY TO PUT ONE OF THESE TOGETHER.

Now as Keith shows a large black projector, he says
ANYWAY, THIS PROJECTOR, THE BASE OF IT IS FROM THE ROYAL ALEX IN TORONTO. TURNTABLE IS FROM THE OPERA HOUSE IN NEW CASTLE, NEW BRUNSWICK. ARM IS FROM THE ST. CLARE IN TORONTO. THE HEAD IS FROM THE BROCK IN WHITBY. FROM A THEATER IN MANHATTAN. THE SPEAKER, WESTERN ELECTRIC SPEAKER FROM THE NICKEL THEATER IN ST. JOHN'S NEWFOUNDLAND AND THE PLAQUE AT THE TOP FOR NORTHERN ELECTRIC IS FROM THE EGLINTON THEATER IN TORONTO. PEOPLE GOING THROUGH WOULD LOOK AT THE PROJECTORS BUT THEY WERE QUITE OFTEN MORE INTERESTED IN MOTHER'S OLD APRON OR THE QUILT FROM 1910 OR SOMETHING. SO, THAT'S WHY I DECIDED ON THE MEMORY LANING OF IT. IT COVERS ABOUT 90 YEARS. AND IT HAS IN IT NEWSPAPER ITEMS TOYS, AND THE CLOTHING THAT PEOPLE WORE AND SO ON. AND THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN A BIG HIT.

A balding man in his late forties at the movies says
WE ALWAYS COME AN HOUR EARLY SO THAT WE CAN CATCH EVERYTHING THAT'S SHOWING THERE. WE BROUGHT MY GRANDFATHER HERE A FEW TIMES AND HE'S 82 YEARS OLD. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HE CAN REALLY relate to A LOT OF STUFF'S THAT'S HERE.

A blond woman in her twenties says I GUESS I'VE BEEN COMING FOR AT LEAST... I DON'T KNOW, I'M 22 RIGHT NOW. FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. I HAVE A COTTAGE UP HERE. YEAH, IT'S GREAT. WE BRING ALL MY VISITORS. THE FRIENDS VISITING.

A woman in her late thirties says WE WANTED TO COME TO THIS THEATER BECAUSE IT HAS FIVE DIFFERENT SHOWS PLAYING. AND WE'RE SICK OF THE SURROUNDING ONES ONLY HAVE ONE AND THEY'RE NOT WORTH SEEING.

Keith says GOT TO GO OVER TO FOUR. THAT'S MY NEXT PROJECT. IT'S REALLY NICE TO HAVE A JOB WHERE YOU CAN FALL OUT OF BED AND FALL INTO THE JOB LIKE IN TWO FEET WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE TO WORK OR FIGHT TRAFFIC OR FOG OR RAIN OR SLEET OR HAIL OR WHATEVER THE HECK ELSE YOU HAVE TO FIGHT. AND YOUR CUSTOMERS PAY YOU AT THE DOOR BEFORE THEY GET IN SO THAT THERE'S NO CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AFTERWARDS. SO ACTUALLY IT'S A GREAT BUSINESS, EXCEPT THAT THIS YEAR, HOLLYWOOD SEEMS TO BE PRODUCING SOME REAL TURKEYS. I DON'T KNOW.

A snippet from a Hollywood movie plays.

An elderly man says BUDDY.

A young woman says BUDDY LOVE.

A man holding the woman passed out in a wedding dress says SEE YOU LATER, CHUNKY BUTT.

Keith says I REALLY THINK THAT FIVE THEATERS IN A TOWN OF 300 PEOPLE SEATING 550 PEOPLE IS PROBABLY ADEQUATE. OF COURSE IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE MAYBE STADIUM SEATING AND THE BIG SCREEN AND THE WHOLE TEN YARDS. FOR NOW, WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS. THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY.

The clip ends.

Mary says OKAY. WELL, IF YOU WANT TO CATCH A FILM AT THE HIGHLANDS CINEMAS, YOU BETTER HURRY BECAUSE THE THEATER CLOSES AFTER THANKSGIVING. COMING UP NEXT, THOUGH, IF YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT WHAT IT TAKES TO TELL A JOKE, WATCH THIS.

A clip plays in which a reporter holds up a microphone to a group of young girls on the street.

One of them says OKAY. A MAN WALKED INTO A PUB AND HE SAT DOWN AND HE HEARD SOMEONE SAY, NICE TIE. AND HE ASKED THE BARTENDER WHO SAID THAT.

Another girl says AND THE BARTENDER SAID IT'S THE PEANUTS, THEY'RE COMPLEMENTARY.

A teenage boy says MY FAVOURITE JOKE WOULD HAVE TO BE, KNOCK KNOCK, WHO'S THERE? INTERRUPTING COW.

An elderly man says WELL, THE JOKE IS A LONG ONE. NO, IT'S TOO LONG.

A man in his thirties says GOLF JOKE, OF COURSE. MAN DIES, WOMAN CALLS UP THE CLASSIFIEDS, ANNOUNCES THAT, AND SHE SAYS, I WANT TO PUT AN AD IN TO ANNOUNCE MY HUSBAND'S DEATH. AND THE GUY ON THE OTHER END SAYS IT'S 50 CENTS A WORD. AND SHE THINKS ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. SHE SAYS, ALL RIGHT. JOHN SMITH DIED. AND HE LAUGHED BECAUSE HE CAN'T BELIEVE HOW CHEAP SHE IS. AND HE SAYS, LADY, MINIMUM SEVEN WORDS. AND SHE THINKS ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AND SHE SAYS, ALL RIGHT, JOHN SMITH DIED GOLF CLUBS FOR SALE. THAT'S IT. THAT'S AS GOOD AS I GOT.

The clip ends.

Mary chuckles says AHA, SO YOU THINK YOU'RE FUNNY AND YOU CRACK UP YOUR FRIENDS ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT HAVE YOU GOT WHAT IT REALLY TAKES TO MAKE IT ON THE BIG STAGE? WELL, WE ARE JOINED BY SOMEONE TODAY WHO CAN HELP YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION. JUDY CARTER IS A STAND-UP COMIC, SHE'S A NATIVE OF LOS ANGELES, AND SHE HAS BEEN PERFORMING FOR 25 YEARS.

Judy is in her forties, with chin-length chestnut hair. She's wearing a green blouse and a silver necklace.

Mary continues AND NOW SHE IS PASSING ON HER PEARLINGS OF WHITDUM IN A BOOK CALLED THE COMEDY BIBLE.

A picture of Judy's book appears briefly on screen. The cover is white, with the title in bright colours and a picture of a keyboard whose letters all read "hahaha."

Mary continues WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ALL ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE, BUT FIRST LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT JUDY ON STAGE.

In a clip, Judy stands on a stage with a stand-up microphone and says YOU CAN'T GET ANYBODY TO PROTEST ANYTHING IN L.A., UNLESS THEY LOSE WEIGHT WHILE THEY MARCH. MARCHING MARCHING, IT'S LIKE AEROBICS, WHAT WAS THE CAUSE? HELLO. YEAH, HI, CHECK YOUR AEROBICS, STAR CHOICE, LOSE WEIGHT. THIS WOMAN WAS A FAMOUS MOVIE STAR AND NOW SHE'S PEEING IN HER PANTS ON TELEVISION. SHE DOESN'T GET INVITED OUT MUCH I BET. ONE TOO MANY HOLLYWOOD PARTIES. JOAN, HONEY, DO YOU WANT TO GET OFF THE SOFA? WHY DON'T YOU SIT ON THE VINYL STOOL. JOAN, RIGHT DOWN HERE. READ THE WHOLE PAPER TO GET THE WHOLE STOREY. SO AMAZING. STOREY HERE THAT SAYS TEENAGE PREGNANCIES, THEN ON PAGE 6, IT SAYS BECAUSE OF HIS KNEE IS NOT GETTING OUT MUCH. WHOLE STOREY. YOU GOT TO READ THE WHOLE PAPER.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Mary says OKAY. JUDY, HA, YOU'RE FUNNY, THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT. WELCOME. WHY DO YOU CRINGE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT?

The caption changes to "Judy Carter. Stand-Up Comic."

Judy says WHEN YOU SAID 25 YEARS, I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW I STARTED WHEN I WAS SEVEN, OKAY. WHAT'S UP WITH DINOSAURS, HUH?

Mary says LET'S TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU STARTED. HOW DID YOU GET INTO THIS CRAZY BUSINESS ANYWAY?

Judy says WELL, I WAS A TEACHER, AND, BOY, THAT'S A GREAT JOB. I JUST COULDN'T HANDLE ALL THAT MONEY AND PRESTIGE TEACHING. AND I GOT FIRED, ACTUALLY. I TAUGHT FOR TWO YEARS. AND I GOT FIRED. WHICH IS GOOD. SO, WHEN THINGS HAPPEN THAT SEEM REALLY BAD, SOMETIMES THEY'RE GOOD. AND I BECAME A MAGICIAN, AND I STARTED PERFORMING. ACTUALLY, MY FIRST JOB EVER WAS IN CANADA, IN MONTREAL, CHATEAU SOMEPLANT, I KNEW FRENCH.

Mary says LIKE A NATIVE.

Judy says AND THAT WAS MY FIRST JOB EVER, AND I WAS DOING THIS MAGIC ACT AND SEQUENCE... SEQUIN OUTFIT AND I THINK I PRODUCED SCARVES OUT OF MY CLEAVAGE, IT WAS HORRIBLE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND VERY LAST MINUTE THEY SAID, YOU NEED TO DO THE ACT IN FRENCH BY THE WAY. WHICH I DIDN'T KNOW. SO THE ITALIAN WAITERS TAUGHT ME HOW TO SAY VERY NASTY THINGS IN FRENCH AND I THOUGHT I WAS... YOU KNOW, WELCOME EVERYBODY, AND ACTUALLY I WAS SAYING, VERY, VERY RUDE THINGS. SO I GOT FIRED FROM THAT VERY QUICKLY AS WELL.

Mary says GULLIBLE HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT?

Judy says YEAH, ALL RIGHT. ONE OF MY PROBLEMS, YEAH. BUT, ANYWAY, I WENT ON TO DO MAGIC AND THEN ONE DAY MY TRICKS DIDN'T ARRIVE. AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU PERFORM AT A CLUB, YOU HAVE TO GO ON NO MATTER WHAT. SO, THANKS TO AMERICAN AIRLINES, I BECAME A STAND-UP COMIC. AND MY TRICKS DIDN'T ARRIVE. AND I THOUGHT, WELL, I'LL JUST DO JOKES. IT WENT WELL. AND I'VE MADE MY ENTIRE LIVING FROM BEING FUNNY. I MINE, THIS SHIRT COST ME LIKE THREE JOKES. IT'S A WONDERFUL... NOT VERY GOOD JOKES, I MIGHT ADD. BUT IT'S A WONDERFUL THING TO BE ABLE, AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A LIVING JUST FROM MY SENSE OF HUMOR.

Mary says WE'RE SHOCKED BY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S CONTRARY TO THE POPULAR BELIEF THAT COMICS ARE STARVING. AND YOU CAN'T MAKE A LIVING FROM IT.

Judy says THAT'S WHY I WROTE THE COMEDY BIBLE. BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT GET A JOB AS A STAND-UP COMIC, BUT THERE'S SO MANY WAYS THAT A PERSON WHO'S... WHO THINKS THEY'RE FUNNY, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DO, A LOT OF PEOPLE WATCH TV AND GO, I'M FUNNIER THAN THAT GUY, HE SUCKS. MY UNCLE'S FUNNIER THAN HIM. HOW COME HE'S UP ON TV MAKING AUTOPSY THAT MONEY? THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS TO MAKE A LIVING. IF YOU'RE FUNNY, WRITE SITCOM SCRIPTS, YOU COULD WRITE GREETING CARDS BECAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, SET UP PUNCH. YOU CAN BE PUBLISHED. YOU CAN WRITE COMEDY ESSAYS, COMMENTARY. RIGHT NOW WE NEED COMEDY. WE NEED A LOT OF COMEDY. BECAUSE THE TOUGHER TIMES GET, THE MORE WORK THERE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO MAKE OTHER PEOPLE LAUGH.

Mary says I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, BECAUSE, EXACTLY, RIGHT NOW PEOPLE FEEL THEY CAN'T LAUGH. AND WHEN WE THINK OF COMICS, YOU KNOW, WE THINK OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING SACRED, RIGHT? NOTHING IS TAB YOU'RE. BUT AT THIS TIME, THESE TRAGEDIES IN THE U.S. SEEM VERY TABOO. FROM A COMIC'S PERSPECTIVE, WHEN DO WE START TO LAUGH, WHEN DO WE GET THAT HUMOR BACK?

Judy says WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO PERFORM FIVE DAYS AFTER THAT TRAGEDY. AND THAT WAS REALLY HARD AND I DID SOME REAL DEEP THOUGHT ABOUT IT, OR AS MUCH DEEP THOUGHT AS A PERSON LIKE MYSELF CAN DO. KIND OF SHALLOW STUFF. BUT, ANYWAY, AND I DECIDED WHAT... I DECIDED TERRORISTS CAN TAKE AWAY LIVES, PROPERTY, BUT I'LL BE DAMNED IF THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY MY SENSE OF HUMOR AND THAT'S WHAT I DECIDED BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE STEALING WAY TOO MUCH. AND THEN I REALIZED THAT WE HAVE A CHOICE WHEN GREAT TRAGEDY HAPPENS. AND WE CAN... A HUMORED CHOICE, WE CAN CHOOSE TO GET STRESSED... HUMAN CHOICE... WE CAN CHOOSE TO GET STRESSED OUT AND DRINK OR WE CAN LAUGH AND DRINK. AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, YOU CAN ALWAYS DRINK. AND THAT'S THE POINT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT I WENT ON AND I REALIZED THAT THINGS ARE VERY INAPPROPRIATE TO TALK ABOUT AND I CUT ABOUT 25 MINUTES OUT OF MY ACT. I CUT OUT ALL MY JOKES THAT WERE HARSH ON BUSH. AND ALL MY JOKES THAT WERE HARSH ON ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE I REALIZE YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO HAVE UNITY AT THIS TIME WITH EVERYBODY. SO...

Mary says COMICS HAVE A CONSCIENCE.

Judy says OH, ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY WE ALL DO. BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE TO BE BOOED OFF THE STAGE, AND I PUT UP ON MY WEBSITE THIS NOTICE ON HOW TO HANDLE COMEDY DURING THIS TIME, AND TO BE APPROPRIATE. DON'T CUT OUT ALL YOUR AIRLINE JOKES. CUT OUT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT GUESS WHAT? THE CLUBS ARE PACKED.

Mary says REALLY?

Judy says PACKED. I WAS SHOCKED.

Mary says PEOPLE NEED THAT.

Judy says PEOPLE WANT TO BE THERE. AND LET'S FACE IT. YOU JUST... I MEAN, HOW MUCH DEPRESSION CAN YOU... I CAN TAKE A LOT BECAUSE I'M JEWISH AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, MY NATURE, MY NAME IS JUDY FOR THE LONGEST I THOUGHT JUDY... JEW DAYISM WAS ABOUT ME, ACTUALLY. YOU I COME FROM A VERY TROUBLED FAMILY.

Mary says IS THAT YOUR MATERIAL, I'M WONDERING, WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR MATERIAL FROM?

Judy says ALL THE MISERABLE HUMILIATIONS OF MY LIFE, BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS BAD, ANYTHING FIGHT I GET INTO, ANY BREAKUP, ANY... ANYBODY WHO DOES ANYTHING HORRIBLE TO ME, THEY GET IN MY ACT. YOU KNOW. AND I... YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO GREATER REVENGE THAN REALLY DISHING SOMEONE PUBLICLY.

Mary says IT MUST MEAN YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT SUPPORT YOU.

Judy says YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. THEY'RE ALL DEAD. THAT'S FREEDOM IN THAT. I GOT TO TELL YOU, MY PARENTS ARE DEAD. AND I KNOW IT'S AN AWFUL THING, BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT THERE HAS BEEN, I MEAN, A FREEDOM SORT OF LIKE WELL, NOW I CAN RUN WITH SCISSORS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND METAPHOR I CANLY SPEAKING THAT I CAN RUN WITH SCISSORS.

Mary says YOU'VE GONE TO THE NEXT STAGE.

Judy says I'M ON THE FRONT LINE AND I REALIZE LIFE IS SHORT. AND YOU GOT TO TAKE CHANCES. AND I AM SO GRATEFUL THAT I CAN GET OUT THERE AND SPEAK MY MIND AND PEOPLE PAY FOR IT.

Mary says OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING BACK AND FORTH AND YOU'RE THROWING IN THESE LINES. YOU'RE NATURALLY FUNNY. YOU'RE PROBABLY FUNNY WHEN YOU WERE TWO, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT IT STRIKES ME.

Judy says WHEN I WAS BORN, I CAME OUT OF THE WOMB GOING, WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU? WHAT'S UP WITH THIS?

Mary says THE QUESTION IS, YOU'VE GOT THIS BOOK, THE COMEDY BIBLE, RIGHT?

Judy says RIGHT.

Mary says CAN YOU ACTUALLY TEACH SOMEONE TO BE FUNNY, THOUGH? I MEAN, WE SAW THOSE PEOPLE TRYING TO TELL JOKES. PAINFUL.

Judy says WELL, THERE'S SOME RULES YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW WHEN YOU TELL. FIRST OF ALL, 45 PEOPLE WALK INTO A BAR, ONE WAS JEWISH, ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GAY... WAKE ME UP WHEN YOU GET TO THE PUNCH LINE. KEEP THEM SHORT.

Mary says RIGHT.

Judy says ONE THING THAT'S CHANGED THE MIND OF EVERYBODY IS THAT REMOTE CONTROL. PEOPLE CHANGE. YOU KNOW STARBUCK'S. CHANGING.

Mary says ACTUALLY GUIDELINES, RIGHT? THESE PEOPLE CAN BE HELPED?

Judy says THAT'S RIGHT.

Mary says HONE YOUR SKILLS.

Judy says I AM THE MOTHER OF COMEDY. THAT'S WHAT I DO, I TRAIN PEOPLE HOW TO DO COMEDY. AND THERE ARE BASIC RULES. ANOTHER ONE IS...

Mary says JUST GOING BACK, THOUGH. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN ACTUALLY TEACH THEM TO BE FUNNY, IS IT? START WITH SOMETHING BASIC.

Judy says ANYBODY TO BE FUNNY TO FIVE MINUTES. I COULD TEACH YOU TO BE FUNNY TO FIVE MINUTES. I CAN TEACH YOU TO KILL FOR... I CAN TEACH ANYBODY, ANYBODY FOR FIVE... SIX MINUTES.

Mary says THAT'S NOT THE IMPRESSION I GOT IN YOUR BOOK, THOUGH, I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE FUNDAMENTALS, YOU HAVE THE QUIZ, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE FUNNY, IF YOU DON'T PASS THIS QUIZ, YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK.

Judy says YEAH. BUT I'VE HAD PEOPLE TAKE MY WORKSHOPS AND I'M GOING, WHY ARE THEY HERE? ARE YOU SURE, YOU KNOW YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE NEXT DOOR TO DEAF AND DYING? YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOWN, YOU'RE DEPRESSED. YOU KNOW, AND SHOWING THEM HOW THEY CAN TURN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THEIR LIVES, THEIR PROBLEMS INTO PUNCH LINES, IT'S AMAZING THE KIND OF TRANSFORMATION THAT HAPPENS.

Mary says SIMPLE?

Judy says VERY SIMPLE STRATEGIES. ANYBODY CAN DO IT. NOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A LIVING FROM IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SOMETHING CALLED TALENT. NOW, IF YOU'RE TOO SHY TO GET UP ON STAGE AND PERFORM BECAUSE IT'S VERY SCARY TO DO IT, THAT'S OKAY, TOO. YOU'RE JUST CALLED A WRITER. SO, PEOPLE WHO HAVE A GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR BUT ARE TOO SCARED TO DO IT, LEARN HOW TO WRITE. THERE'S A GREAT LIVING IN THAT. A LOT OF MY STUDENTS FAX JOKES TO LETTERMAN AND JAY LENO AND...

Mary says WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE HELPED? WOULD WE KNOW ANY OF THEM? WHO'S GONE THROUGH YOUR WORKSHOP?

Judy says PEOPLE START IN MY WORKSHOP AND A LOT OF THEM BECOME STAND-UP COMICS, WORKING, MAKING A LIVING, QUIT THEIR DAY JOB. SOME END UP, JACKIE GRIER, SOCIAL WORKER, ENDED UP IN A MOVIE WHERE SHE PLAYED SELENA'S SISTER AND HAD HER OWN SERIES FOR A WHILE, SOMETHING IN THE STATES CALLED THE WB. SOME BECOME DIRECTORS. TOM SHADYAK, WHO DIRECTED LIAR LIAR, PATCH ADAMS, NUTTY PROFESSOR, HE STARTED IN MY CLASS. THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER OF SEX IN THE CITY, STARTED IN MY CLASS. THE PRODUCERS, CO-EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS OF EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND STARRED IN MY CLASS. EVERYBODY STARTS SOMEWHERE. I'M GLAD A LOT OF THEM START WITH ME.

Mary says AS YOU SAY, I GUESS THEY'VE ALL BRANCHED OUT INTO DIFFERENT AREAS OF HUMOR, NOT JUST THE STAND-UP COMIC, WRITER, SCREENWRITER, WHATEVER.

Judy says THERE ARE SO MANY WAYS TO MAKE A LIVING DOING IT. JUST... YOU COULD SEND THINGS INTO RADIO, THEY PAY YOU. I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY AVENUES NOW. IF YOU HAVE THE GIFT OF MAKING PEOPLE LAUGH.

Mary says AND WHAT ABOUT FOR YOU, I MEAN, WHO DO YOU FIND FUNNY? AS A COMIC.

Judy says WELL, I LIKE SOME VERY COMICS LIKE ANDY, I GREW UP WATCHING GRACEY ALLEN, I LOVE LUCY, YEAH, EVERYBODY DID. YOU KNOW, I LOVE PHYSICAL COMEDY. I LIKE PAULA POUNDSTONE. I LIKE... I LIKE GAL NAMED KATHY LANMAN, I LIKE KIND OF NASTY, NAUGHTY GIRLS LIKE...

Mary says BECAUSE YOU ARE.

Judy says I'VE BEEN VERY WELL-BEHAVED. SO FAR. HAVE I BEEN...

Mary says YOU HAVEN'T POPPED, NOTHING, REMEMBER.

Judy says MY BUTTONS ARE STILL...

Mary says STILL INTACT. WE'RE ALMOST OUT OF TIME. BUT JUST IN A NUTSHELL THEN, YOU SAY THAT YOU COULD EVEN MAKE ME FUNNY, RIGHT? THERE ARE SIMPLE THINGS THAT I CAN DO?

Judy says WELL, YES. WHAT ABOUT YOUR HUSBAND, WHAT'S HE LIKE?

Mary says OH, HE'S ITALIAN. HIS BACKGROUND. HE WAS BORN HERE.

Judy says JOKES ABOUT HIM.

Mary says I'M PROBABLY MORE ITALIAN THAN HE IS, THOUGH. VERY TYPICAL. HE'S RESERVED, QUIET.

Judy says WHAT WE TEACH AND WHAT I TEACH, I'M GOING TO DO IT AT THE LEARNING ANNEX ON SATURDAY, YOU ACT THINGS LIKE. LIKE YOU GO, MY FAMILY, MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY ALL ITALIAN, HIS FAMILY PICTURES ALL LOOK LIKE THIS. MY KIDS ARE HALF JAPANESE, HALF ITALIAN, WE HAVE REALLY WORD FOOD. SUSHI MARNARA. IT'S NOT EASY BEING... YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GOT TO GO ON WHAT YOU HAVE. AND THAT'S WHY IN THE COMEDY BIBLE I SAY, WRITE DOWN, YOU KNOW, WAS YOUR MOTHER ON ALCOHOLIC, ARE YOU FROM ANY KIND OF ETHNIC GROUP, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO POKE FUN AT ANOTHER ETHNIC GROUP, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

Mary says THAT'S TABOO BUT YOUR OWN IS FINE.

Judy says I HAVE SOME PEOPLE COME INTO MY CLASS GOING, YOU KNOW, YOYO, I'M FROM THE HOOD, GET DOWN. IT'S LIKE, YOU'VE GOT TO BE A LITTLE MORE REAL. YOU'RE A JEW FROM BEVERLY HILLS, OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU GROW UP. IN THE HOOD, WHAT, DRIVEBY MATH TEST, COME ON, GET REAL. YOU GOT TO COME FROM, YOU KNOW, YOUR OWN LIFE AND THE ONE THING ABOUT COMEDY NOW, DON'T FAKE IT. BE REAL. AND DON'T GET TOO NASTY.

Mary says OKAY. I'LL TAKE THAT TO HEART, JUDY. I'M GOING TO ENOFF ONE THING. FUNNIEST LINE I READ IN YOUR BOOK. YOU SAID, I USED TO THINK IT WAS WEIRD THAT DOGS HAD NIPPLES ON THEIR ITEMS. THEN I LOOKED AT MYSELF NAKED.

Judy says END ON THAT.

Mary says I LOVE THAT. THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING IN.

Judy says IT'S A JOKE. IT'S NOT REAL. THEY'RE GREAT.

Mary says I'M NOT GOING TO QUIT MY DAY JOB, FOLKS. I'LL BE BACK TOMORROW. JUDY CARTER ACTUALLY IS HERE IN TOWN. SHE'S THE AUTHOR OF THE COMEDY BIBLE. IT'S PUBLISHED BY SIMON AND SCHUSTER. SHE IS GOING TO GIVE A COMEDY WORKSHOP THIS SATURDAY, THERE'S STILL SPACE, SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, CONTACT THE LEARNING ANNEX...

A slate reads "Learning Annex, 416-964-0011, www.learningannex.com."

Mary says OKAY. THAT'S IT FOR TODAY'S SHOW. BUT TUNE IN AGAIN TOMORROW. BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO TALK TURKEY FIXINGS WITH SUPER CHEF BONNIE STERN. ALSO HAVE MORE TIPS ON CLEARING CLUTTER. AND MOVIE REVIEWS WITH THOM Ernst. But that's it for today. Thanks for watching. See you tomorrow at 1 o'clock.

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