Transcript: Gardening, Planet Parent clip | Sep 26, 2001

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A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Life. Words spin against a red and orange background: Health, Family, Home, Money, Fitness, Life. Fast clips show images related to the previous concepts, such as a dollar bill, a wheat field, and strands of DNA.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Mary Ito sits in a studio with textured yellow walls and a door in the background.

Mary is in her late thirties, with short black hair. She's wearing a pale blue sweater and shirt.

Mary says HELLO. I'M MARY ITO. AND WELCOME TO "MORE TO LIFE." WELL, CAN YOU SMELL, AUTUMN IN THE AIR? I BET AFTER A NICE LONG WALK IN THE COUNTRY WHERE YOU'RE WALKING ON THOSE CRUNCHY LEAVES OR PERHAPS SNOW, IN SOME CASES BECAUSE IT HAS ALREADY SNOWED IN SOME AREAS, YOU JUST WANT TO SETTLE IN FRONT AFTER A NICE FIRE. FORGET IT. BECAUSE YOUR GARDEN HAS TO BE TAPPED IN BEFORE THE LONG WINTER. YOU'VE GOT SPLIT THOSE PERENNIALS, I THINK, YOU'VE GOT TO PLANT THOSE BULBS, LAYER THEM WE'VE GOT VETERAN GARDENER FRANK FERRAGINE HERE, HE'S HE GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE ON GARDENING. PLEASE GIVE US A CALL.

Frank is in his early thirties, clean-shaven, with short, spiky brown hair. He's wearing a dark green shirt.

Mary continues THE NUMBER IN TORONTO IS 416-484-2727. ALSO DIAL LONG DISTANCE TOLL FREE AT 1-888-411-1234.

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."

Mary continues WELCOME, FRANK.

Michael says THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

Mary says AS THIS HOUR PROCEEDS, YOU WILL LEARN ABOUT HOW IGNORANT I ACTUALLY AM ABOUT GARDENING. SERIOUSLY. I NEED TO KNOW BASIC, BASIC INFORMATION TODAY. SO WE'LL BRING THAT UP AS WELL.

Michael says NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.

Mary says FIRST OF ALL, I THINK ONE QUESTION THAT'S NOT ONLY ON MY MIND BUT ON MANY PEOPLE'S IS DIGGING UP PERENNIALS, FROM WHAT I GATHER THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT.

Michael says RIGHT.

Mary says WHY ARE SO MANY OF US AFRAID TO DO THIS?

The caption changes to "Frank Ferragine. Gardening Guru."

Michael says WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS A FEAR WITH ANYTHING THAT'S LIVING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CAUSE HARM TO IT. EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE SUCCESSFUL. THERE'S ALWAYS WORRIED, IT'S BEEN DOING WELL, LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, LET'S JUST LEAVE IT THERE. THING-S MOSTLY EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS A PERENNIAL NEEDS TO BE UPROOTED, DIVIDED. BY DIVIDING IT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GIVE IT A REJUVENATION. GOING TO BE A HEALTHIER PLANT. NEXT YEAR WILL GIVE YOU MORE BLOOMS. ON THE WAY HERE TODAY, MY MOM WAS SAYING TO ME, MY DAY LILIES ARE NOT BLOOMING. MANY TIMES WHY THEY'RE NOT BLOOMING ANY MORE, JUST PACKED, JUST TOO COMPACTED IN THERE. NEED TO BE DIVIDED. BY SPLITTING THEM, YOU'RE GOING MICK A HEALTHIER PLANT. ALSO, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE PLANTS THAT YOU CAN THEN TRADE WITH FRIENDS, CREATE NEW GARDENS. GREAT WAY TO BE A FRUGAL GARDENER. THEY'RE EASY TO DIVIDE. SEPTEMBER THROUGH TO ABOUT THE SECOND WEEK OF OCTOBER IS USUALLY THE BEST TIME TO DIVIDE THEM BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF RAIN RIGHT NOW, COOL TEMPERATURES. THAT'S PERFECT FOR PLANTS TO GET THE ROOT SYSTEMS ESTABLISHED, THEN INTO WINTER, THE SNOW WILL SIT ON TOP OF THEM, INSULATE THEM, NEXT SPRING THEY'RE READY TO GO.

Mary says NOW YOU MENTION, THOUGH TIME. YOU SEE, I WAS THINKING, IS IT TO DO WITH SPACE, IS IT TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THEY'RE OCCUPYING AND THEY'RE JUST BUILDING UP TOO MUCH SPACE AND GETTING OVERCROWDED?

Michael says THAT'S TRUE, TOO.

Mary says THAT'S ANOTHER REASON.

Michael says A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THEY'RE LOW MAINTENANCE, KIND OF THROW THEM IN, FORGET ABOUT THEM.

Mary says I WAS HOPING THAT.

Michael says PERENNIALS DOUBLE THEMSELVES ALMOST EVERY YEAR, SOME TRIPLE THEMSELVES. SO THAT ONE LITTLE PLANT THAT WAS TAKING UP THAT LITTLE SPACE ALL OF A SUDDEN IS GROWING ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO, SOMETIMES TO MAINTAIN THEM, TO MAKE THEM LOOK JUST GOOD AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HEALTHY, YOU HAVE TO THEN DIVIDE THEM BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO GROW IN PLACES WHERE YOU DON'T WANT THEM BECAUSE THEN OF ALL A SUDDEN THEY BECOME AN UNDESIRABLE PLANT AND AN UNDESIRABLE PLANT IS KNOWN AS A WEED. MOST PERENNIALS ARE JUST DOMESTIC INDICATED WEEDS.

Mary says WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO DO IN ADDITION WITH SPLITTING THEM BEFORE WINTER TO OUR PERENNIAL BEDS? WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE TO DO?

Michael says THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE FALL PERIOD, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE DRY SUMMER THAT WE HAD WE'VE HAD ONE OF THE DRIEST SUMMER IN 40 YEARS, REALLY IMPORTANT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR THAT THEY DO GET A LOT OF MOISTURE SO THAT THEY GO INTO WINTER SITTING ALMOST WET. DURING THE WINTER PERIOD, A LOT OF PLANTS GO THROUGH MOISTURE LOSS. IF YOU WERE TO LET THEM GO THROUGH A WINTER SITTING DRY, THAT'S A STRESS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE. THEN THE STRESS OF WINTER. THEN BY NEXT SPRING THEY MIGHT DIE. VERY, VERY IMPORTANT RIGHT AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT YOU WATER THEM WELL, YOU CUT BACK ON FERTILIZER YOU DON'T FERTILIZE WHATSOEVER AT THIS TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO SLOW DOWN, YOU WANT EVERYTHING ZWROUS SLOW DOWN. BUT THE ONE THING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, PERFECT TIME OF YEAR, AROUND YOUR GARDEN AREA, TO MEND THE SOIL. TO IMPROVE THE SOIL. BY PUTTING IN MANURE, BECAUSE DURING THE WINTERS, THE FROSTING THAW... FROST AND THAWS, WORK IN NATURALLY. THIS TIME OF YEAR, DIVIDE THE PERENNIALS, CLEAN UP THE GARDEN BEDS AND MAKE SURE YOU WATER. EVER GREENS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU WATER THEM A LOT, TOO.

Mary says WOULD THAT BE OPPOSITE TO THE WAY WE NORMALLY WOULD TREAT THEM OTHERWISE, THROUGH THE SPRING AND SUMMER? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD OF SPOILING PERENNIALS AND DON'T WANT TO OVERWATER THEM.

Michael says THE SPRING MONTHS IS WHEN YOU WANT THEM TO GROW, YOU WANT THEM TO PUSH GREEN. START FERTILIZING. AS SOON AS THEY START GROWING, YOU START FERTILIZING. YOU WANT THE MOST BLOOMS. YOU WANT TO WATER THEM, WATER THEM DEEP AND FREQUENTLY DURING THE GROWING SEASON, MEANING THAT YOU WATER MAYBE EVERY THREE DAYS BUT YOU REALLY SOAK THEM SO THAT THE ROOT SYSTEM GOES DEEP DOWN TO THE GROUND. IN THE FALL WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS MAINTAIN THE MOISTURE THAT'S THERE. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING GOOD MOISTURE, NO FERTILIZER BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO SLOW DOWN, YOU WANT THEM TO GET HEALTHY SO THEY CAN GO INTO WINTER.

Mary says NOW, WHAT ABOUT OUR LAWNS, I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED IT WAS SUCH A HOT, DRY SUMMER, WHAT CAN WE DO FOR OUR LAWNS NOW?

Michael says IT WAS ONE OF THE DRIEST SUMMERS. WATER BANS ALL THROUGHOUT THE YORK REGION AREA. OUR LAWNS WERE BROWN. THIS IS THE TIME OF YEAR RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN GET THEM LOOKING BACK GOOD AGAIN. YOU CAN NOTICE THAT AS SOON AS WE HAD COOL TEMPERATURES AND MOISTURE, THE LAWN WENT GREEN AGAIN. BROWN AND THEN, BOOM, IT WAS GREEN.

Mary says THAT'S RIGHT.

Michael says NOW IS THE TIME THAT YOU CAN DO A WINTER FERTILIZATION, WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN A SPRING AND SUMMER FERTILIZATION. BECAUSE YOU WANT TO LOW FIRST NUMBER AND A HIGH MIDDLE TO END NUMBER. 8, 12, 14. THE REASON WHY YOU WANT THE HIGH MIDDLE TO END NUMBERS, KIND OF LIKE A BEAR THAT'S GOING TO HIBERNATE BEFORE WINTER. TRY TO GIVE IT ENOUGH FOOD FOR THE ROOT SYSTEM SO IT WILL BE HEALTHY, THIS IS ALSO THE TIME OF YEAR THAT DO YOU SOME RECEDING, TOP DRESSING, AERATE THE AREA.

Mary says JUST TO RECAP FOR OUR VIEWERS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GARDENING TODAY WITH EXPERT GARDENER FRANK FERRAGINE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR LAWN, ABOUT YOUR GARDEN, ABOUT BULBS, GETTING IT READY FOR THE WINTER SO IT WILL LOOK BEAUTIFUL NEXT SPRING, GIVE US A CALL. THE NUMBER IN TORONTO IS 416-484-2727. YOU CAN ALSO DIAL LONG DISTANCE, IT'S 1-888-411-1234.

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Mary continues AND WE HAVE LINES JAMMED HERE. WE'VE GOT NANCY ON THE LINE. HI. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says HI. I'M ESTABLISHING A NEW ROCK GARDEN, BUT I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH MAPLE TREE ROOTS. I'M LOOKING OUT MY WINDOW AND ALL I CAN SEE ARE THESE BUSHES OF MAPLE TREES THAT HAVE COME BACK AFTER I'VE CUT THEM DOWN. WHAT CAN I DO TO THEM THAT WOULD BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AS WELL SO THAT THEY WON'T KEEP BUSHING UP ON ME?

Michael says ALREADY CUT THE MAPLE TREES DOWN AND THEY'RE RECOMING BACK IN?

The Caller says YES, ALL CUT DOWN.

Michael says SLOW PROCESS, YOU'RE GOING TO REDIG AND REDIG AND WEAKEN THE PLANT SYSTEM THAT'S THERE. THERE ARE SOME STUMP ROCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU CAN USE BUT THOSE ARE A CHEMICAL BASIS, AND YOU ALREADY SAID THAT YOU WANTED TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY. KIND OF LIKE THE BEST WAY TO COMPARE IT TO IS LIKE A RASPBERRY BUSH, WHEN YOU WANT TO GET RID OF A RASPBERRY, KEEPS ON GROWING, GROWING. TAKES THREE TO FIVE YEARS OF DIGGING IT OUT, DIGGING IT OUT, FINALLY IT DIES OUT NATURALLY. SO IT'S JUST GOING... IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG HAUL. LIKE NATURE AND A LOT OF THE TIMES WHEN YOU WANT TO DO THINGS NATURALLY, IT'S ALL ABOUT TIME AND JUST BEING CONSISTENT AND EVERY TIME YOU SEE A LITTLE SPROUT COME UP, YOU PULL IT OUT SO THAT IT'S NOT GIVING THE ROOT SYSTEM ANY ENERGY.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT LEAVES, WHAT HAPPENS IF I DON'T RAKE UP MY LEAVES AND I LEAVE THEM ALL OVER THE GRASS?

Michael says IT'S JUST PUTTING A PLASTIC BAG OVER YOUR HEAD.

Mary says NOT GOOD?

Michael says NOT GOOD. IT'S BASICALLY LEAF MULCH WHEN YOU MULCH THEM, THEY CAN BREAK DOWN. WHEN YOU HAVE A MATTING OF LEAVES OVER YOUR LAWN AND IT'S MATTING UP, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE GRASS UNDERNEATH CAN'T BREATHE. SAME THING WHEN YOU PUT NEWSPAPER OVER YOUR LAWN OR OVER A WEEDED AREA, JUST TRY TO KILL THE WEEDS, NO LIGHT, NO OXYGEN THAT'S GOING TO GET IN THERE, WITH THE SNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ON, MOULD THAT DEVELOPS AND THINGS LIKE. THAT REALLY NOT A GOOD IDEA, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF MAPLE TREES AROUND TO LEAVE THE LEAVES ON THE LAWN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DEAD PATCHES THROUGHOUT.

Mary says IS THAT THE SAME FOR LAWN CLIPPINGS, BECAUSE MUNICIPALITIES WOULD LIKE YOU JUST TO LEAVE YOUR LAWN CLIPPINGS?

Michael says NOW THEY'RE PUTTING OUT MULCHING LAWN MOWERS. HOW THOSE WORK, THEY CUT THE LAWN UP SO SMALL, SO FINE PARTICLES, THAT IT BASICALLY SIT... SITS ON THE ROOT SYSTEM THERE AND ALL THE ORGANISMS AND THE WORMS AND ALL THAT GO IN THERE AND EAT AND IT BREAKS DOWN KIND OF LIKE COMPOSTING AND IT WORKS IN. THE THING IS, WITH A BIG MAPLE LEAF, JUST TOO BIG AND IT TAKES TOO LONG. WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH MAPLE LEAVES, IF YOU PUT THEM IN A BLACK GARBAGE BAG AND IN THE BLACK GARBAGE BAG YOU POKE A BUNCH OF HOLES IN THE BAG, PUT A HANDFUL OF FOIL IN THERE, A LITTLE BIT OF FERTILIZER, NITROGEN FERTILIZER, PUT IT ON A SUNNY SPOT IN YOUR LAWN, BREAK DOWN DURING THE WINTERTIME, POUR IT OVER YOUR GARDENS. PERFECT, PERFECT MULCH FOR THE GUARANTEES AND ORGANIC MATTER AND IT WILL GIVE NUTRIENTS BACK TO THE GARDEN.

Mary says LEAVES A NONO, CLIPPINGS NO PROBLEM.

Michael says ONE THING IF YOUR LAWN'S TOO LONG, YOU DON'T HAVE A MULCHING LAWN MOWER, TAKE THE CLIPPINGS OFF. IT'S TOO MUCH OF ANYTHING IS NO GOOD.

Mary says OKAY. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT TERESA ON THE LINE FROM TECUMSEH. HELLO, TERESA. HI. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says YES. I HAVE TWO PROBLEMS, ACTUALLY. I'M WONDERING, WHEN IS THE BEST TIME TO DIVIDE AND TRANSPLANT IRISS? AND, ALSO THIS SUMMER DURING THIS HOT SPELL, I HAD SOME GRAPE HYCINTH COME BACK UP, DIDN'T FLOER, HAD A LOT OF LEAVES.

Michael says BEST TIME TO DIVIDE IRISS IS IN AUGUST, MID SUMMER, LATE-SUMMER DIVISION THAT YOU WANT TO DO. WHEN IT COMES TO THE GRAPE HYCINTH NOT UNTYPICAL FOR THEM TO SHOOT UP AND NOT BLOOM. NOT ANY HARM. IT'S GOING TO GAIN MORE NUTRIENT FOR THE LITTLE BULB THAT'S THERE NEXT SPRING WILL HAVE A BETTER SHOW OF COLOUR.

Mary says NOW, YOU BROUGHT SO MANY THINGS HERE. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

They both turn around and look at a smaller table with several plants and flowers on it.

Michael says YEAH.

Mary says TELL US ABOUT SOME OF THE NEW PLANTS YOU'VE GOT AND WHAT YOU'RE EXCITED ABOUT.

As he places a planter full of purple pansies on the larger table, Michael says THE ONE THING I'M EXCITED ABOUT, MY FAVORITE PLANT OF ALL TIME ARE PANSIES AND VIOLETS BECAUSE TO ME THEY REPRESENT SPRING AND BIRTH, SO COLOURFUL. THIS IS A NEW VARIETY HERE CALLED ICICLE PANSIES.

Mary says I JUST BOUGHT SOME. YES, I DID.

Michael says PERFECT TO BUY THEM. ROOKIE GARDENER, RIGHT?

Mary says NOVICE.

Michael says THESE ARE GUARANTEED TO COME BACK NEXT YEAR. AND THEY'RE ALSO GUARANTEED TO BLOOM RIGHT UNTIL THE SNOW FALLS. THEY'RE EXTREMELY HEARTY. GREAT WAY TO GET SOME COLOUR IN THE FALL BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES DURING THE FALL PERIOD WE FEEL THAT OUR GARDENS ARE LACKING IN COLOUR, WE NEED SOMETHING BRIGHT ESPECIALLY ON THE GRAY DAYS THAT WE'VE HAD LATELY. ICICLE PANSIES, COME IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT COLOURS.

He brings out another planter, containing yellow violas, and says
THIS IS THE VIOLA, THIS IS THE TYPICAL PANSY RIGHT HERE. IT HAS A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE FACE THERE. THESE WILL RECEDE THEMSELVES AND THEY'LL COME BACK AND THOSE SHORT LITTLE THINGS THAT MAYBE WHEN WE HAVE A SNOWFALL, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE ICICLES OUT THERE, WE STILL COULD HAVE SOME COLOUR.

Mary says DO I DO NEED TO DO ANYTHING SPECIAL WITH THOSE?

Michael says THE OWN THING YOU HAVE TO DO, YOU DON'T WANT TO PLANT THEM IN AN AREA THAT HAS A LOT OF WIND. THE WINTER WINDS ARE DAMAGING FOR PLANTS, MEANING THAT THEY ACTUALLY MAKE THEM LOSE A LOT OF MOISTURE, GO THROUGH MOISTURE LOSS AND IT'S REALLY SEVERE AND HARD ON THEM. DON'T PLANT THEM IN A WINDY AREA. AS LONG AS YOU PLANT THEM IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T GET A LOT OF WIND, THEY'LL DO FINE. A NEW VARIETY THIS YEAR, WHICH IS KIND OF COOL, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT LIVE IN NORTHERN AREAS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OVERWINTERING MUMS. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS CALLED MY FAVOURITE MUM.

Mary says WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY OVERWINTERING?

Michael says A LOT OF THE TIMES NEXT SPRING THEY WON'T COME BACK, MEANING THAT ANY PLANT THAT OVERWINTERS IS BASICALLY A PERENNIAL. ANY PLANT THAT DOESN'T OVERWINTER IS BASICALLY AN ANNUAL. GENERALLY MUMS ARE TENDER PERENNIAL, MEANING THAT SOMETIMES THEY COME BACK, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T. WELL, THIS IS A NEW VARIETY CALLED MY FAVOURITE MUM THAT'S GUARANTEED TO BE HEARTY TO ABOUT A ZONE THREE. THAT MEANS PEOPLE UP THERE MUSKOKA, BRACEBRIDGE, THE NORTHERN REGIONS OF ONTARIO, OTTAWA, ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS GUARANTEE THAT THIS MUM WILL COME BACK NEXT YEAR. AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT OVERWINTERED IN THE POT IS THE ONE RIGHT BEHIND ME, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE VIEWERS AT HOME CAN SEE, MASSIVE. THAT OVERWINTERED A CONTAINER.

Mary says IN A CONTAINER?

Michael says IN A CONTAINER. I'LL GRAB A LITTLE BLOOM THERE.

He brings out a container with large pink flowers and says
OVERWINTERED IN A CONTAINER. AND WITH THE ELEMENTS, IT WAS PERFECT. AND IT CAME BACK, NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. SO THERE'S SOME NEW INTRODUCTIONS OUT THERE THAT ARE EASY TO GROW FOR YOUR GARDENS, GIVING YOU FALL COLOUR THAT WILL COME BACK, GUARANTEED TO COME BACK.

Mary says THAT'S GREAT. SO, YOU'RE SAYING I COULD HAVE THAT PLANT IN POTS BECAUSE DO I HAVE POTS AROUND MY HOUSE, AND THEN JUST YEAR AFTER YEAR IT WILL KEEP ON COMING BACK.

Michael says KEEP ON COMING BACK IN A CONTAINER. BUT THE THING ABOUT A MUM IS, DURING THE MONTH OF APRIL, MAY, JUNE, JULY, AUGUST, THEY LOOK PRETTY CRAPPY.

Mary says I KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE A DOWNSIDE TO THIS.

Michael says COME LATE AUGUST, MUMS FLOWER IN THE BASE OF THE SHORTNESS OF DAYLIGHT HOURS. SO AS SOON AS THE DAYS BECOME SHORTER, THAT'S WHEN MUMS COME INTO BLOOM. SO, WHEN THE DAYS GET SHORTER, THEY'LL COME INTO BLOOM. SO THEY'RE REALLY NOT GREAT FOR A CONTAINER UNLESS YOU MIX IN SOME OTHER THINGS. SOME GOOD PERENNIAL PLANTS THAT COME BACK IN CONTAINERS ARE SEDUM, FALL BLOOM PLANT, HOSTAS THEY'RE SO EASY, THEY COME BACK NO PROBLEM. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO. I ALWAYS SAY WITH A CONTAINER, IF YOU WANT TO PUT A PERENNIAL THAT COMES BACK EVERY YEAR, PUT ANNUALS IN THERE BECAUSE THEY GIVE YOU ALL SEASON COLOUR.

Mary says GREAT IDEA. OKAY. LET'S GO TO MAR SELL IN THORNHILL. HELLO, MAR SELL.

The Caller says HELLO. HI.

Mary says DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

The Caller says MY QUESTION IS ABOUT MY P WHEN YOU DIVIDE, ALL THE ROOTS ARE INTERTWINED TOGETHER. WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DIVIDE IT NUMBER ONE? AND NUMBER TWO, FOR THE NEW... THE ONE THAT I REMOVED TO PUT IN ANOTHER PLACE, WHAT KIND OF EARTH SHOULD I PUT? LIKE ACIDIC OR WHAT?

Michael says WHAT YOU WANT IS NOT BASICALLY ACIDIC SOIL. WHAT YOU WANT IS JUST A GOOD GARDEN SOIL. WELL DRAINED SOIL. SOMETHING LIKE A TRIPLE MIX. FOR DIVISION OF THEM, BEST WAY IS WITH A SHARP KNIFE AND CUT DOWN THE CENTRE. THE ONE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, WHEN YOU DO DIVIDE THEM IS DEPTH. IF YOU PLANT A PEONY TOO DEEP, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY BLOOMS WHATSOEVER. YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EYES OF THE PEONY, EYES THAT COME UP IN THE SPRING AND THE EYES THAT ARE BASICALLY SETTING RIGHT NOW, LITTLE CHUTES THAT COME UP OFF THE BOTTOM ARE JUST ABOVE THE SOIL LEVEL. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU DON'T PLANT IT TOO DEEP. THEY'RE EASY TO TRANSPLANT AND DIVIDE. YOU CAN BE VERY ROUGH WITH THEM. GENERALLY I PLANT... I'VE TRANSPLANTED THEM AT ANY TIME OF THE YEAR. SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT NOT GET A BLOOM THE FOLLOWING SEASON. USUALLY GET A BLOOM THE NEXT SEASON. BUT SOMETIMES IF YOU DON'T GET A BLOOM AT ALL FOR SEASON AFTER SEASON THE REASON FOR THAT IS THEY'RE PLANTED TOO DEEP.

Mary says LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE NEWER VARIETIES OF BULBS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SO MANY WITH YOU.

Michael says PULL A FEW OUT FIRST. TAKE A LOOK. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT OPTION WHEN IS IT COMES TO FALL BULBS.

Michael places several bags of bulbs on the table and Mary reads the labels.

Mary says GREAT NAMES, DON'T THEY?

Michael says FUN NAMES. THE DUTCH WORKS THEY COME FROM, ALWAYS HAVE A GREAT WAY OF NAMING THINGS, MAKING THEM FUN, MAKING THEM MEMORABLE.

Mary says YELLOW CHEERFULNESS. BEAUTY QUEEN.

Michael says WHEN YOU COME TO SPRING, SPRING IS ALL ABOUT GETTING THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU COLOUR EARLY ON IN THE SEASON. AND THAT ARE GOING TO BASICALLY IN THE DEAD OF WINTER. PREPARING FOR SPRING, ALL LOOKING FORWARD TO SPRING. A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS WITH BULBS IS IN THE SPRING, EVERYBODY COMES TO THE GARDEN SISTERS, THEY SEE ALL THESE TULIPS AND THINGS FLOWERING, THEY'RE LIKE, CAN I BUY THAT? YOU HAVE TO PLANT IT IN THE FALL.

Mary says RIGHT.

Michael says NOW THEY HAVE PREPARED BULBS THAT YOU CAN PLANT IN THE SPRING AS WELL. BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY VARIETIES. ONE OF MY FAVOURITE VARIETIES THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. IT'S AULD ALIUM, IT COMES FROM THE ONION FAMILY. ALIUM GIGANTICUM, THE SIZE OF MY HEAD. QUITE BIG.

He shows the label, which contains a picture of a large purple bloom.

Mary says BIG PURPLE OR LAVENDER BALL.

Michael says IT BLOOMS BASICALLY IN JUNE. ANOTHER BENEFIT OF THIS, KIND OF FUNKY LOOKING, ANOTHER BENEFIT, BECAUSE IT COMES FROM THE ONION FAMILY IT ACTUALLY RAPPELS APHIDS IN YOUR GARDEN. PLANT IT WHERE YOU HAVE ROSES, IT WILL REPEL THE APHIDS. ANOTHER ONE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REPELLING THINGS, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE SMELLS REALLY BAD.

He shows a label that reads "Fritillaria imperialis lutea" and contains a picture of bright yellow flowers.

He continues THE BULB ITSELF SMELLS REALLY, REALLY BAD. BENEFIT OF THAT, SQUIRRELS WILL NOT EAT IT, WILL DISTRACT SQUIRRELS FROM THE AREA WHEN YOU'RE PLANTING YOUR BULBS.

Mary says GET A GOOD VIEW OF THAT.

Michael says THE OTHER BENEFIT IS THAT IT HAS KIND OF A TROPICAL LOOK. IT GROWS QUITE TALL. IT GROWS REALLY TALL. AND IT GIVES IT KIND OF A TROPICAL LOOK TO YOUR GARDEN. SO DURING, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL EVERYTHING'S LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT ONE LOOKS FANTASTIC. TULIPS COME IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT COLOURS. AND THEY'RE REALLY EASY TO GROW. THE BASIC RULE OF THUMB WHEN YOU'RE PLANTING A TULIP, I'LL JUST PULL A BULB OUT HERE AND SHOW YOU, IS THAT THIS HERE, GET A BULB OUT THERE, YOU BASICALLY TAKE THE HEIGHT OF THE BULB...

He takes out a bulb and says AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A DODD BULB, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S GOT SOME BROWN, IT'S CRACKED, IT'S DRIED OUT, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BULBS ARE GOOD, FIRM AND THEY LOOK HEALTHY.

Mary says SO YOU WOULD NOT USE THAT BULB?

Michael says NO. THIS IS PROBABLY A DEAD BULB. DEAD BULB. BAD EXAMPLE BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH IT. TAKE THE HEIGHT OF THE BULB, GO THREE TIMES ITS HEIGHT AND DEPTH.

Mary says JUST TULIPS OR ANY BULB?

Michael says ANY BULB. THAT'S A RULE OF THUMB. THREE TIMES ITS HEIGHT AND DEPTH. SO IF THIS MEASURES ONE INCH, THREE IN DEPTH. A LOT OF TIMES WHAT YOU CAN DO, TOO, WITH CROCUSES OR SILLA, IS FOR NATURALIZATION, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS PLANT THESE RIGHT IN YOUR LAWN SO THAT IN THE SPRING WHAT HAPPENS IS THESE LITTLE BLOOMS BLOOM IN THE LAWN AS SOON AS THE SNOW'S GONE, THEY GIVE YOU A NICE SHOW OF COLOUR, MAKES YOUR FRONT YARD LOOK FUNKY, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, CUT THE LAWN AND THEN YOU FORGET ABOUT THEM UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR. IT'S CALLED NATURALIZATION. IT'S A REALLY WAY TO MAKE YOUR AREA LOOK KIND OF UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT. AND IF PEOPLE DO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SQUIRRELS...

Mary says IS THERE SOME BENEFIT OTHER THAN LOOKING FUNKY?

Michael shows a label that reads "Scilla Siberica Spring Beauty" and contains a picture of a plant with small purple-blue flowers.

Michael says NO. THE BIG TURNAROUND NOW IN GARDENING IS BEFORE IT USED TO BE EVERYTHING HAD TO BE REALLY KIND OF STRAIGHT, YOU KNOW, CLEAN.

Mary says SEGMENTED. RIGHT.

Michael says YEAH. NOW, EVERYBODY'S BACK INTO NATURE, BACK INTO THINGS THAT LOOK ORGAN IN THIS CASE, THINGS NATURALLY OCCURRING. THAT'S WHY NATURAL ROCK IS USED A LOT IN GARDENS RIGHT NOW. AND BY DOING NATURALIZATION, IT LOOKS LIKE NATURE PUT IT THERE. ORGANIC.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA THEN OF NOT GROWING THE SAME KINDS OF PLANTS OR VEGETABLES IN THE SOIL YEAR AFTER YEAR?

Michael says THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GROWING, LET'S SAY THAT WE GREW TOMATOES IN THE SECTION OF THE GARDEN THIS YEAR. NEXT YEAR YOU SHOULDN'T GROW TOMATOES IN THAT AREA. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BASICALLY MIX THE CROPS UP. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE NUTRIENTS THAT THE TOMATO PLANT USED THIS YEAR, YOU DON'T WANT THE SAME PLANT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE TAXPAYER WILL BE LACKING THAT NUTRIENT AND ALSO LET'S SAY IF THERE WAS A DISEASE THAT WAS LEFT IN THE SOIL. THAT'S WHY YOU ALWAYS MIX YOUR CROPS. THAT'S WHY FARMERS NEVER PLANT WHEAT IN THE SAME FIELD EVERY YEAR AND THAT'S ALSO WHY THEY DON'T DO CORN IN THE SAME FIELD. THEY ALWAYS TRY TO MIX IT UP BECAUSE IT'S GIVING BACK. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO DO.

Mary says LET'S TAKE ANOTHER CALLER. DERRICK'S ON THE LINE. HI, DERRICK.

The Caller says HELLO.

Mary says GO AHEAD.

The Caller says YEAH. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE CROCUSES AND NATURALIZING MY LAWN. I WAS ONLY ABLE TO AFFORD 800 BULBS THIS YEAR.

Mary says PRETTY GOOD.

The Caller says YEAH. I WAS SORT OF WONDERING PER SQUARE FOOT HOW MANY SHOULD I GET TO GET THE BEST RESULTS BECAUSE I'M FIGURING IT'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT FOUR YEARS OR SO FOR THEM TO FILL OUT AND SPREAD SO THAT I'M GETTING A FULL FLUSH IN THE SPRING.

Michael says WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IS TAKE THE 800 AND JUST EQUALLY DIVIDE THEM THROUGHOUT THE FRONT AREA THAT YOU WANT TO COVER UP. EVERY YEAR THAT ONE BULB WILL SET OFF LITTLE BUBLETS, ONE PLANT WILL BECOME TWO TO THREE, SPREAD OUT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BUT JUST EQUALLY TAKE THE 800 OUT AND EQUALLY SPREAD THEM APART RIGHT ACROSS THE FRONT AREA OF YOUR GARDEN OR THE SPACE THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE.

The Caller says OKAY. THANK YOU.

Mary says YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU TO HAPPEN PULL OUT A BAD BULB FROM THAT. WHAT ABOUT BULBS THAT YOU BUY THROUGH CATALOGS OR PERHAPS THROUGH THE INTERNET, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU RECOMMEND?

Michael says WELL, THERE'S POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES. CATALOGS SALES A LOT OF TIMES YOU CAN GET SOME THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T TYPICALLY GET IN GARDEN CENTRES. WHEN IT COMES TO BULBS, SEEDS IS PRETTY GOOD TO BUY THROUGH THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO LIVE PLANTS, I ALWAYS LIKE SEEING WHAT I'M GOING TO BUY. AND THE ONE RULE OF GARDENING IS TO BE A GOOD GARDENER, AND TO START OFF ON A GOOD FOOT, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE HEALTHY STOCK. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW, IF IT'S A REPUTABLE COMPANY AND THEY HAVE A GOOD REPUTATION BEHIND THEM THAT THEY ALWAYS SEND QUALITY PRODUCTS, THEN YOU GO WITH THAT. BUT IF THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE SHOCK OF TRANSPORTATION, NOT SO MUCH BULBS BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PLANTS, THEN IT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA TO BUY. WITH BULBS, SOMETIMES GET SOME GOOD DEALS. I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO GO OUT, LOOK THROUGH, DISCOVER.

Mary says YOU LIKE TO SEE AND TOUCH AND FEEL WHAT YOU'RE BUYING.

Michael says YEAH. I'M NOT TOO INTO INTERNET BUYING YET. MAYBE I HAVE A BIAS.

Mary says SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. LET'S GO TO PATTY IN THUNDER BAY ARE YOU GETTING YOUR GARDEN READY FOR THE WINTER?

The Caller says YEAH, TRYING TO. FIRST-TIME GARDENER HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE HERE. PLANTED GLAD OLE I CAN'T BELLS IN THE SPRING. TURNED OUT WONDERFUL. WHAT DO I DO WITH THEM NOW?

Michael says TAKE THOSE BULBS BACK INSIDE. THEY'RE A BULK THAT WILL NOT OVERWINTER. WHEN THE FOLIAGE STARTS TO DIE BACK, UPROOT THEM, STORE THEM IN A COOL DARK SPOT FOR THE WINTERTIME. YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO DO PUT THEM, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BULBS ARE STORED HERE IN DRY SAWDUST. COOL, DARK AREA SO THAT BASICALLY THEY WILL NOT GROW DURING THE GROWING SEASON. AND I ALWAYS RECOMMEND THAT YOU PUT A BULB AND SOIL DUST ON THEM. THE REASON WHY YOU DO THAT IS SO THAT THE BULBS THEMSELVES DO NOT DEVELOP ANY FUNGUS WHILE THEY'RE IN STORAGE DURING THE WINTERTIME.

Mary says VERY GOOD SUGGESTION. WHAT ABOUT BONE MEAL BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT THAT'S NO LONGER RECOMMENDED FOR BULBS BECAUSE THE SMELL ATTRACTS ANIMALS LIKE SQUIRRELS. IS THAT RIGHT?

Michael says WELL, BONE MEAL IS GOOD IN ONE INSTANCE BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A BENEFIT TO PLANTS. IT DOES GIVE THEM A NUTRIENT. THE DOWNFALL, IT'S MADE OUT OF BONES, BASICALLY. IF YOU HAVE A DOG AND YOU USE BONE MEAL IN YOUR GARDEN, DOG'S GOING TO HAVE A REALLY FUN TIME DIGGING UP TRYING TO FIND IT. WITH SQUIRRELS, IT DOESN'T ATTRACT THEM TO THE AREA. BLOOD MEAL DISTRACTS. IT'S A TYPE OF ORGANIC MATTER THAT WILL DISTRACT MOST RODENTS FROM GARDEN AREAS. THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS WHEN YOU'RE PLANTING BULBS YOU SEE THE SHELL THAT WE HAVE HERE. MOST IMPORTANTLY, AFTER YOU'RE DONE PLANTING, MAKE SURE YOU CLEAN THESE ALL UP BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SQUIRRELS, LEAVING THESE AROUND BASICALLY TELLS THE SQUIRREL, HAY, I JUST PLANTED BULBS OVER HERE. THEY'RE THINKING, WOW, THIS IS WHERE THE BUFFET IS. YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S REALLY NOTHING FOR SQUIRRELS THAT'S TOTALLY REPELLENT. IF THEY'RE HUNGRY ENOUGH THREE GO INTO AREAS. THAT'S WHY YOU WOULD MAKE WANT TO MIX IN USE NARCIST, DAF DILS ARE POISONOUS TO SQUIRRELS. THE BULB OF A DAF OWE DULY IS POISONOUS, THEY WON'T EAT THEM. THERE'S WAYS TO GET AROUND SQUIRRELS IF YOU HAVE A SQUIRREL PROBLEM. A LOT OF THE TIMES, YOU CAN'T BEAT THEM, YOU JOIN THEM. WHAT I SUGGEST IS THAT YOU GET A SQUIRREL FEEDER AND... WHICH IS JUST USUALLY TALL BEING CORN, YOU STICK IT ON THE END OF THE FEEDER, PUT IT OFF ON THE FAR END OF THE PROPERTY, SQUIRRELS GO DOWN THERE AND EAT THE CORN, THEY LEAVE YOUR SPACE AWAY.

Mary says THEY DO? THEY WON'T BOTHER YOU THEN?

Michael says I CAN NEVER GUARANTEE THAT. SQUIRRELS ARE... I THINK THEY'RE EMPLOYED BY ALL GARDEN CENTRES, THAT'S WHY WE GET THEM TO DIG UP THINGS.

Mary says I KNOW, THEY'RE SCLOOELT PAID BY YOU. OKAY. LET'S GO TO MELISSA, SHE'S ON THE LINE FROM FERGUS. HI, MELISSA.

The Caller says HI. I'M CALLING, I'M WANTING TO DO SOME BALCONY GARDENING AND MY BALCONY IS COVERED WITH SHADE. AND I HAVE A HARD TIME KEEPING ANY HOUSE PLANTS OR ANYTHING. AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT KIND OF PLANTS DO REALLY, REALLY IN THE SHADE THAT I COULD ACTUALLY HANG IN MY WINDOW? EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE DYING OFF ON ME AND I CAN'T KEEP ANYTHING AROUND.

Michael says IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A REALLY EASY PLANT FOR AN INDOOR APARTMENT THAT'S REALLY NOT GOT A LOT OF LIGHT, SPIDER PLANTS ARE THE BEST. THEY ARE SO EASY. THEY CAN GO ALMOST IN SUN TO SHADE. IF YOU FORGET TO WATER THEM, THEY'RE PERFECT. ANOTHER ONE FOR A REALLY SHADED AREA IS THE PEACE LILY,. THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A PROPERTY WHICH PURIFIES AIR. SO THEY'RE REALLY GOOD. Dieffenbachia, LIKES LOW LIGHT AREAS. THE PROBLEM IS LOW LIGHT DOESN'T MEAN NO LIGHT. IF THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHT, WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO IS PUT ARTIFICIAL LIGHT IN THE AREA BY PUTTING A GROW LIGHT UP IN THE ONE CORNER.

Mary says YOU MENTIONED APHIDS EARLIER ON, WE HAD THAT SWARM OF APHIDS THAT CAME IN. WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

Michael says KIND OF INTERESTING WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE APHIDS. A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW ARE COMPLAINING OF LADY BUGS.

Mary says YES.

Michael says THAT'S A RESULT OF THE APHIDS. LADY BUGS ARE A BENEFICIAL INSECT THAT EAT OTHER INSECTS. WHAT HE THEY EAT IS APHIDS. WELL, IF YOU REMEMBER DURING THE BLUE JAYS GAME IN THE SUMMER WHEN THEY'RE BATTING AWAY THERE, THAT WAS ALL THE APHIDS THAT CAME IN THE AREA. THE ASIAN LADY BUG, THE ORANGE LADY BUG, WHICH WAS INTRODUCED IN '94, EARLY '90s TO A LOT OF AREAS TO GET RID OF APHIDS, THEY BASICALLY CAME INTO ONE AREA FOR THE FOOD AND THEY ATE BASICALLY ALL THOSE APHIDS. NOW THEY'RE AROUND LOOKING FOR A SOURCE OF FOOD AND ALSO LADY BUGS ARE ONE OF THE ONLY INSECTS THAT HIBERNATE. THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO GET INTO OUR HOMES NOW BECAUSE IT'S GETTING TO BE COLD SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SPACES TO GO HIBERNATE. WHAT'S REMARKABLE ABOUT THEM, I SPOKE TO A PERSON WHO SPECIALIZES IN BUGS, AND...

Mary says ENTOMOLOGIST.

Michael says YOU GOT IT. THEY'RE TOLD ME THAT THEY'RE BITING HUMANS AND THEY WOULD NEVER EVER BELIEVE IT THAT THEY WOULD BITE HUMANS. I WAS BITTEN. BY A LADY BUG.

Mary says YES. BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER THE OTHER DAY HAD A LADY BUG, SHE SAID THAT LADY BUG JUST BIT ME. I SAID, IT COULDN'T HAVE BITTEN YOU. I DON'T THINK THEY BITE.

Michael says NOW THEY'RE EATING PLANT LIFE TOO. THEY'RE INTO RASPBERRIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

Mary says ABBORE RENT BEHAVIOUR FOR LADY BUGS. ISN'T THAT GOING TO SORT OF CHANGE THE BALANCE OF THINGS?

Michael says THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM. WHEN WE START PLAYING WITH NATURE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BUG THAT WAS INTRODUCED. IT WAS THE ASIAN LADY BUG THAT WAS INTRODUCED. AND NOW THERE'S NOT A BALANCE THERE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT. BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO THE APHIDS. THEY ALL GOT... THE LADY BUGS HAD SOME GOOD FOOD.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT... IT'S MY IMAGINATION OR DO WE HAVE A LOT OF WASPS AND HORNETS AROUND STILL?

Michael says THIS TIME OF YEAR THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR WARM SPACES. THIS IS WHEN THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE. I'VE HAD SEVERAL CALLS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO TO GO IN MY BACKYARD AND THE WASPS ARE AROUND. WHAT'S GOING ON? GENERALLY IF THEY'RE IN YOUR BACKYARD YOU CAN USUALLY FIND THEM A CRACK OR CREVICE, EITHER IN THE HOME WHERE THEY'VE BUILT A NEST OR ACTUALLY IN THE SOIL WHERE THEY'VE BUILT A NEST. AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THEIR FINAL SOURCES OF FOOD, FLYING AROUND, AND ALSO BEING THAT IT'S COOLER NOW, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WARM SPACES. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE FLYING THROUGH. A GOOD SUGGESTION, LET'S SAY IF YOU HAVE A PARTY AND YOU'RE IN THE BACKYARD ONE DAY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WASPS ARE FLYING ALL OVER THE PLACE, TAKE A MARGARINE CONTAINER, PUT ORANGE POP IN IT, PUT IT A... AWAY FROM YOUR AREA, THEY'LL FLY ALL INTO THAT AREA LIKE FAR APART. THAT WILL DISTRACT THEM. THERE'S ALSO A PRODUCT, TOO, IF YOU DO FIND THE NEST, ONE HERE IS CALLED JET FOAM, WASP AND HORNETS KILLER.

He shows a bottle labeled "Jet foam wasp and hornet killer" and continues
IT IS A CHEMICAL PRODUCT. IT DOES INDEED FOAM UP. AND THE REASON WHY IT IS GOOD, THAT IT DOES FOAM UP, YOU GO AT NIGHT WHEN THEY'VE ALL FLOWN BACK IN, YOU SPRAY IT IN, IT FOAMS UP OVER THE NEST, AND JUST KILLS THEM OFF. BUT THERE IS LOTS AROUND. THIS IS THE TIME OF YEAR WHEN THEY BECOME VERY ACTIVE.

Mary says RIGHT. WE HAVE ANOTHER CALLER. KATHLEEN IS ON THE LINE FROM KINGSTON. HOW'S YOUR GARDEN?

The Caller says RIGHT NOW IT'S A LAUGH BECAUSE WE HAVE A PROBLEM. I CALLED TO ASK ABOUT A PLANT THAT LOOKS LIKE BAMBOO. AT MY SON'S COUNTRY HOUSE IT'S IN THE KINGSTON AREA, HE HAS THIS UNUSUAL PLANT. AND IT'S LOW IN THE SPRING, BUT IT GROWS EXCEPTIONALLY FAST TO AT LEAST TWO METRES HIGH AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A WAY TO CONTROL IT. AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND OUT IS WHERE TO GET INFORMATION ON IDENTIFYING IT. IT APPEARS TO BE LIKE BAMBOO. WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH IT TODAY INTO THE FIELD OF THIS STUFF, IT'S LIKE BAMBOO, LIKE THE OLD BAMBOO FISHING RODS. SO WHERE COULD WE GET HELP?

Michael says BEST PLACE TO GET HELP IS TO TAKE A LEAF AND BRING IT INTO A GARDEN CENTRE TO SEE IF YOU CAN GET IT IDENTIFIED. IF NOT, BRING IT INTO THE MINISTRY OF NATURAL RESOURCES. A LOT OF TIMES THEY WILL HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF IF IT'S A NATIVE PLANT SPECIES FROM THE AREA. THERE IS A PERENNIAL BAMBOO THAT'S AVAILABLE IN GARDEN CENTRES THAT YOU CAN BUY. BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT WEED SPECIES THAT DO GROW VERY VIGOROUSLY. ONE IS KNOWN AS DREW FROM ARTICHOKE. IT'S A WE'D THAT GROWS VERY TALL VERY RAPIDLY, VERY EVASIVE. SO, IT COULD POSSIBLY BE THAT. BEST THING, START OFF GOING TO A GARDEN CENTRE WITH A SAMPLE OF IT. NEXT THING IS JUST TO GO TO A PERSON THAT KNOWS ABOUT NATIVE PLANTS IN THE AREA. EVEN NATURALISTS. A LOT OF THE TIMES YOU CAN FIND THEM ON THE INTERNET EVEN IF DO YOU A SEARCH.

Mary says NOW, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE TREND TOWARDS TURNING THE LAWN INTO A GARDEN, HAVING SORT OF A MIXED LOOK TO IT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER TRENDS GOING ON IN GARDEN DESIGN?

Michael says IN GARDEN DESIGN, THERE IS SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRENDS. YOU KNOW, WATER HAS BECOME A VERY BIG FOCAL POINT. MORE PEOPLE ARE SPENDING TIME IN THEIR BACKYARDS SO THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO CREATE THEIR OWN OASIS IN THE BACKYARD.

Mary says DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH Feng Shui AND ALL THAT?

Michael says OH, YEAH. PROPER PLACEMENT IN ONE'S LIFE. GARDENING HAS SEEN A BIG GROWTH PERIOD. IT WILL CONTINUE TO. AND THE ONE THING THAT'S GREATLY ABOUT GARDENING IS IT'S ALL ABOUT YOUR OWN PERSONAL IDENTITY AND STYLE. THERE'S NO RIGHT AND NO WRONG. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO THROW SOMETHING UNIQUE IN YOUR GARDEN SPACE, BE IT A CHAIR IN THE MIDDLE OF A GARDEN BED, THAT'S FINE. JUST PUT A CHAIR OUT THERE. THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR IT. A VINE GROWS UP IT QUITE NICE. IF YOU WANT TO THROW A TUB AND HAVE SOME CLIMBING PLANTS GROW OUT OF IT OR THE TRAILING PLANTS GROW OUT OF IT, YOU CAN DO THAT. GARDENING IS ALL... IT'S BASICALLY A NATURAL ART, A NATURAL ART FORM.

Mary says IT DOES SEEM TO BE TURNING INTO SOMETHING MORE MULTICULTURAL, MIXING ALL THESE DIFFERENT STYLES.

Michael says DIVERSITY IS KEY. WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PLANTS IN YOUR GARDEN, THEY'RE ACTUALLY MORE HEALTHY BECAUSE THROUGH DIVERSITY, WHILE ONE'S NOT DOING SO WELL, LET'S SAY THAT THE SUMMERTIME IS NOT A STRONG TIME FOR THAT PLANT, WHILE THE OTHER PLANT THAT YOU HAVE THERE IS REALLY GOOD IN THE SUMMER, THAT'S WHY YOU ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE A MIX IN THE PERENNIAL, SO IF ONE IS NOT BLOOMING, THE OTHER ONE IS TAKING OVER. LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE FALL IS THE BEST TIME OF THE YEAR TO ACTUALLY BUY PERENNIALS AND BUY THINGS FOR PLANTING, EVERY GARDEN CENTRE, EVERY PERSON THAT SELLS GARDEN PRODUCTS IS LOOKING TO GET RID OF THEIR STOCK BEFORE WINTER. SO YOU HAVE A PERFECT PLANTING SEASON. YOU HAVE REDUCTIONS OF 30 TO 70 percent. GOOD TIME TO DIVIDE. SO THIS IS A REALLY... AND THE TEMPERATURES ARE PERFECT TO BE OUT THERE WORKING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SWEAT. YOU HAVE SOME NATURAL RAIN. PERFECT TIME.

Mary says IT'S INTERESTING YOU MENTION THAT. I MEAN, IT IS A GREAT TIME AND ONE OF MY RESEARCHERS, SALLY RICHIE, AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE, THEY'RE SPLITTING THEIR PERENNIALS, RIGHT NOW, CLEANING UP THE GARDENS, THEY END UP WITH A LOT OF PLANTS AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEM. SOME OF THESE JUST GET THROWN OUT. IT'S A SHAME THAT THEY CAN'T BE USED BY OTHER PEOPLE. I WISH THERE WAS SOME SORT OF A SYSTEM SET UP WHERE YOU COULD EXCHANGE PLANTS. I KNOW THAT'S DONE ON A NEIGHBOURLY BASIS.

Michael says A LOT OF HORTICULTURAL DEPARTMENTS, LIKE SOCIETIES THAT HAVE PLANT SALES. WHAT THOSE ARE ARE PRODUCTS OF TOO MANY PLANTS IN SOMEBODY'S GARDEN. GREAT PLACE TO GET DEALS, AND NETWORK. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR GARDEN INFORMATION, JOIN A HORTICULTURAL SOCIETY BECAUSE THEY HAVE SPEAKERS THAT COME IN, THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE THE SAME INTEREST, AND NO QUESTION IN GARDENING IS A BAD QUESTION. YOU GOT TO ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT EVERY GARDENER AT ONE TIME WAS SOMEBODY THAT JUST STARTED OUT. AND IT'S ALL TRIAL AND ERROR. YOU'RE DEALING WITH LIVING THINGS. THERE'S NO RIGHT, THERE'S NO WRONG. YEAH. AND FALL IS JUST A TIME THAT YOU CAN GET OUT THERE AND ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO RIGHT NOW, THE CLEANUP, THE EDGING OF YOUR BEDS THE AMENDING OF YOUR SOIL IS ALL LESS WORK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IN THE SPRING.

Mary says PAYOFF IS COMING.

Michael says IN THE SPRING. YEAH. IF YOU'RE A PERSON THAT LIKES TO GOLF, WELL, DO A LOT OF WORK NOW IN THE GARDEN SO WHEN GOLF SEASON STARTS, YOU CAN BE OUT THERE GOLFING.

Mary says OKAY. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER CALLER ON THE LINE. WE'VE GOT SUSAN. HELD... HELLO, SUSAN.

The Caller says HELLO.

Mary says HI. GO AHEAD.

The Caller says I HAVE A SEDUM THAT'S QUITE LARGE AND I'M LOOKING AT TRYING TO SPLIT IT UP. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO DO IT THIS TIME OF YEAR AND IS IT OKAY TO DO IT WITHOUT HARMING IT?

Michael says SEDUM, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HARM IT BY DIVIDING IT. ONE OF THOSE PLANTS THAT I'VE ACTUALLY EVEN DIVIDED BEFORE, PUT IN COMPOST, GROWS AT THE SIDE OF A COMPOSTER. THEY'RE REALLY DURABLE. THE BEST TIME TO DIVIDE IT IS IN THE SPRING. RIGHT NOW IT'S FULL, IT'S BIG AND IT'S REALLY GOING TO SHOW OFF ITS COLOUR RIGHT NOW. AND BY IT BEING SO MUCH FOLIAGE ON THAT PLANT IT'S KIND OF HARD TO DIVIDE IT RIGHT NOW. IN THE SPRING WHEN YOU START TO SEE IT GROW, YOU CAN DIVIDE IT MUCH EASIER. WAY EASIER IN THE SPRING. AND I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO IT IN THE SPRING.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT IF WE WANT TO TAKE PLANTS INSIDE, WHAT PLANTS CAN WE TAKE INSIDE FOR THE WINTER TO POT?

Michael says A LOT OF ANNUAL PLANTS, YOU CAN BRING INDOORS, AND THEY WILL LOOK PRETTY GOOD IF YOU HAVE SUPPLEMENTARY LIGHTING. IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER SOURCE OF LIGHTING. MOST PLANTS, IF YOU BOUGHT A LOT OF PATIO PLANTS, LIKE YOUR BUGA, HIBISCUS, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT TYPE OF TROPICAL PLANTS THAT ARE PATIO PLANTS, THEY CAN COME BACK INSIDE DURING THE WINTERTIME. VERY IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING THEM BACK INDOORS OR YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AN ANNUAL TO OVERWINTER, LIKE IN THE SPRING WHEN YOU'VE GOT TO GET THEM USED TO THE TEMPERATURES OUTDOORS, YOU HAVE TO ALSO GET THEM USED TO THE TEMPERATURES AND CLIMATE INDOORS. GRADUALLY INTRODUCE THEM. SO YOU HAVE TO PLANT THEM OVER ONE NIGHT, BRING THEM IN, AND YOU BRING IT IN A LONGER PERIOD, LONGER PERIOD. THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU SPRAY THEM BEFORE YOU BRING THEM IN SO THAT YOU'RE NOT BRINGING IN BUGS FROM OUTSIDE INSIDE TO INFECT YOUR OTHER PLANTS. GOOD SPRAY TO USE IS SOMETHING CALLED TROUT. IT'S AN ORGANIC SPRAY AND IT'S ONE THAT'S MADE BY SAVERS. ALSO ANOTHER ONE THAT'S NEW CALLED END ALL, IT'S ORGANIC. THE BENEFIT IS IT KILLS ALL STAGES OF INSECTS WHERE IT DOESN'T KILL JUST WHAT'S THERE, IT CALLS LARVA.

Mary says THEY DO NEED OTHER LIGHT SOURCE?

Michael says SOME DO.

Mary says SOME DO.

Michael says HIBISCUS, YOU'LL BRING THEM IN, LOOK PRETTY GOOD, YOU GOT TO PUT THEM IN A BRIGHT WINDOW, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO PUT THEM IN A WINDOW THAT'S FACING SOUTH OR WEST. OKAY? IN THE SUMMERTIME WITH MANY OF YOUR INDOOR PLANTS, YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM IN THOSE WINDOWS BUT IN THE WINTER YOU WANT TO PUT THEM IN THE WINDOWS BECAUSE THE SUN'S AT A LOWER INTENSITY. YOU WANT TO PUT THEM IN A BRIGHT WINDOW. OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, STARTING OCTOBER, PRETTY MUCH TO MARCH, DO NOT FERTILIZE ANY OF YOUR INDOOR PLANTS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A REST PERIOD, THEY'RE NOT ACTIVELY GROWING. SO THEY'RE GOING TO REQUIRE LESS WATERING AND HARDLY NO FERTILIZER WHATSOEVER.

Mary says OKAY. NICKIE'S ON THE LINE FROM OTTAWA. HELLO, NICKIE.

The Caller says HI.

Mary says DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

The Caller says YES. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT STORING BULBS. LAST YEAR, I BOUGHT SOME BULBS, I COULDN'T PLANT THEM IN THE GROUND. AND WHEN I GOT AROUND TO PLANTING THEM THIS YEAR, THEY... I FOUND THAT THEY DISINTEGRATED TO IT LOOKS LIKE ASH.

Michael says BASICALLY DEHYDRATED. THAT'S WHY IT'S BEST WHEN YOU'RE STORING THEM, BEST THING TO DO IS TO PLANT THEM IMMEDIATELY. SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT TO HOLD ON TO SOME BULBS AS WELL FOR FORCING. FOR WINTER FORCING. BUT THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO PUT THEM IN A COOL, DARK SPOT AND THAT COOL SPOT USUALLY A FROOURT CELLULAR IS A REALLY GOOD LOCATION TO PUT THEM IN, IT'S COOL, IT'S DARK, AND THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF MOISTURE AROUND BUT NOT TOO MUCH. IF YOU PUT THEM IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S A REALLY DRY AREA, ESPECIALLY DURING THE WINTER PERIODS, YOU KNOW, HOW OUR SKIN GETS DRY, IT TAKES ALL THE MOISTURE AWAY FROM A BULB.

He takes out a bulb and says
BASICALLY A BULB IS A PLANT, JUST A LITTLE EGG. THAT'S WHAT A BULB IS. INSIDE A BULB IS ALL THE NUTRIENTS, THERE'S A BLOOM INSIDE THERE, THERE'S LEAVES INSIDE THERE AND THERE'S ALL THE NUTRIENTS TO SUPPORT THAT RIGHT INSIDE THAT LITTLE PLANT. SO IF YOU PUT IT IN AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN ALMOST SEE THAT IT HAS MOISTURE BY THE GLOSSINESS OF IT HERE, IF I PUSH ON TO IT, YOU CAN FEEL THE MOISTURE. IF YOU ALLOW IT TO DEHYDRATE, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. TURN INTO POWDER.

Mary says I'M SURPRISED NOBODY HAS MENTIONED ROSES. IS THE FALL A GOOD TIME TO CUT BACK EVERYTHING AS FAR AS ROSES GO?

Michael says ROSES HAVE TO BE OVERWINTERED. AND MUCH OF OUR... IN MUCH OF OUR AREA. IT DEPEND ON THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROSES. THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT VARIETIES. FROM CARPET ROSES NOW TO RAGOSA TO DAVID AUSTIN, CANADIAN EXPLORER SERBZ, SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIETIES. ROSES SHOULD BE OVERWINTERED AFTER WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED SOME FROST, USUALLY ABOUT NOVEMBER 1. IF YOU OVERWINTER TOO EARLY, YOU'RE GOING TO CAUSE HARM TO THEM. WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU TRIM THEM BACK SO THAT NO SNOW OR FREEZING RAIN WILL DAMAGE THEM. SO USUALLY YOU'RE PRUNING THEM BACK TO ABOUT 8 TO 12 INCHES ABOVE THE SOIL LEVEL. NEXT SPRING YOU DO ANOTHER PRUNING TO THEM WHERE YOU SELECT THE THREE BEST CONTAINS. THEY DO NEED OVERWINTERING. YOUR CLIMBING ROSES, THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO UNTIE THEM FROM THE AREA THAT THEY'RE CLIMBING IN, LAY THEM DOWN AND PUT SOIL OVER TOP OF THEM TO OVERWINTER THEM OR PUT LEAVES ON TOP OF THEM. BUT ROSES, MOST IMPORTANT THING IS DO NOT COVER THEM TOO EARLY. AND DON'T UNCOVER THEM TOO EARLY. SO, KIND OF... IT'S A GOOD BALANCE. ROSES ARE NOT THAT HARD TO GROW.

Mary says YOU KNOW WE HAVE THAT PERCEPTION THAT ROSES ARE DIFFICULT.

Michael says DAVID AUSTIN IS A REALLY EASY VARIETY. THAT'S THE DEVIL ROSE. IT'S A WINTER HEARTY ROSE. CANADIAN EXPLORER, ANOTHER EASY VARIETY. CARPET ROSES ARE A ROSE, LIKE A GROUND COVER, YOU DON'T NEED REALLY TO SPRAY, YOU DON'T NEED TO PRUNE, THEY DO THEIR OWN THING. SO MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS OUT THERE. AND THAT'S WHY THE NEW INTRODUCTIONS ALWAYS COME OUT. IMPROVING THINGS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE. BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR THAT SIMPLE LIFESTYLE.

Mary says EASY. NO MAINTENANCE OR LOW MAINTENANCE.

Michael says YEAH. YEAH.

Mary says WE'LL GO TO ANOTHER CALLER. WE'VE GOT JOY FROM WELLAND. HI, JOY.

The Caller says HI. GREAT SHOW. I LOVE THE GARDEN GURU, YOU KNOW THAT?

Mary says GARDEN GURU, THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE, FRANK. GO AHEAD, JOY.

The Caller says CAN YOU HELP WITH ME MY BOLA PROBLEM? I HAVE THEM ALREADY. LAST YEAR THEY EAT QUITE A FEW OF MY ROSE ROOTS AND A FEW OF MY HOSTAS AND THIS YEAR THEY'RE REALLY EARLY. THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE TRENCHING, IT'S AMAZING. THEY'RE ALREADY SETTING UP THEIR HOUSES.

Michael says THEY ARE. USUALLY SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN A LOT OF RURAL AREAS. ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION ON THIS JUST THE OTHER DAY. THE BEST THING TO DO IS YOU HAVE TO REALLY TRY TO DISTRACT THEM FROM THE AREA. THE REASON WHY THEY'RE THERE IS THAT THERE'S A SOURCE OF FOOD. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN EAT. THEY KNOW THAT THE WINTER'S COMING AND DURING THE WINTERTIME FOOD SOURCES GET FEWER AND FEWER AND FEWER. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO PREPARE THEMSELVES IN AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN EAT AND SURVIVE. SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW AM I GOING TO DISTRACT THEM HERE? HOW CAN I MAKE THIS AREA NOT AT ATTRACTIVE TO THEM? YOU HAVE TO DO THAT THROUGH THE SENSE OF SMELL OR THE SENSE OF TASTE OR TOUCH. SO WHEN YOU CAN USE FOUR MOLES AND VOWLS AND MICE, FIELD MICE, BLOOD MEAL SOMETIMES DOES WORK 0 FOR THAT AREA. ALSO, YOU CAN USE MOTHBALLS, TRADITIONAL MOTHBALLS WORK. AND THEN SOMETIMES IF THAT'S STILL NOT WORKING, THEN YOU HAVE TO GO INTO SOME TYPE OF POISONS. A LOT OF THE TIMES PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO USE POISONS. I DO NOT SUGGEST USING POISONS IF YOU HAVE CATS, DOGS, CHILDREN. BUT A LOT OF THE TIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO DISTRACT THEM. THERE IS A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PRODUCTS OUT THERE, TOO, AVAILABLE FOR RODENT CONTROL. ONE CALLED CRITTER RITTER... RIDER, WHICH IS JUST BASICALLY KEY AN PEPPER. YOU JUST REALLY DISTRACT THEM FROM THE AREA. JUST BASICALLY TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAN MAKE THINGS NOT SMELL GOOD OR TASTE GOOD. AND A PRODUCT THAT YOU CAN SPRAY ON YOUR PLANTS THAT MAKES THEM TASTE TERRIBLE FOR ANY RODENT DURING THE FALL PERIOD IS SOMETHING CALLED SCOOT. IT'S S-K-O-O-T. SPRAY IT ON YOUR PLANTS, IT LEAVES A RESIDUAL TASTE ON THEM FOR THE WINTERTIME SO THEY TASTE REALLY BAD. RABBITS ARE NOT GOING TO COME TO THE NEW TENDER FRUIT TREES THAT YOU JUST PLANTED.

Mary says DID YOU SAY IT'S NATURAL?

Michael says THERE'S NO CHEMICAL PROPERTY TO IT. NOT GOING TO KILL ANYTHING. JUST GOING TO MAKE THINGS TASTE BAD.

Mary says WHAT ABOUT EVERGREENS? YOU DID MENTION IT EARLIER. WHAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING WE SHOULD BE DOING WITH THEM?

Michael says DURING THE WINTERTIME, WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, SNOW LOADS CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR THEM. IF YOU HAVE AN EVERGREEN, BUY AN EVES TROUGH, CLOSE TO A HOME, YOU KNOW THAT SNOW IS GOING TO COME OFF THE EVES TROUGH AND FALL ON THE UPRIGHT EVERGREEN OR FREEZING RAIN IS GOING TO BEND THOSE BRANCHES DOWN, YOU HAVE TO TIE THEM OR USE LIKE A WINTER WRAP. WINTER WRAP, I HAVE SOME WINTER WRAP RIGHT HERE.

He takes out a roll of white plastic wrap and says
YOU CAN SEE IT'S AN OPEN WEAVE WRAP, ALL PLASTIC WRAP THERE. STILL ALLOWS THE PLANT TO BREATHE. THIS WAY IT HOLDS IT NICE AND TIGHT TOGETHER SO THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BREAK OUT, LIKE THE BRANCHES WILL NOT BREAK. MOISTURE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR.

Mary says IS THERE A TIME WHEN WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS?

Michael says THIS SHOULD BE DONE USUALLY AROUND HALLOWEEN, NOVEMBER 1st. LIKE IT'S STILL... THIS MONTH RIGHT HERE IS THE PERFECT MONTH TO CLEAN UP AND MEND... AMEND THE SOIL, DO SOME FALL PLANTING, IF YOU WANT TO DO A SHADE TREE, DO SOME NEW GARDEN BEDS, PUT YOUR BULBS IN, DIVIDE YOUR PERENNIALS. LATE OCTOBER, LATE OCTOBER, ALMOST INTO NOVEMBER, THAT'S WHEN YOU START TUCKING IT IN. AND THAT ALL DEPENDS ON WHERE WE LIVE IN THE REGION. BEING THE NORTH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IN TORONTO, WE'RE IN ZONE FIVE, ZONE SIX, SOME PARTS OF TORONTO ACTUALLY ZONE SEVEN. YOU GO INTO THE BARRIE AREA, ZONE 5B, ZONE 4, UP NORTH, ZONE 3. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE ZONES. SO THE FURTHER NORTH YOU LIVE, THE COOLER YOUR ZONE, THE EARLIER IN THE SEASON YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT.

Mary says LET'S GO TO JEAN IN ETOBICOKE. HI, JEAN.

The Caller says HI. I HAVE A SHARON BUSH THAT'S BECOME MUCH TOO LARGE AND I WONDERED WHEN I COULD PRUNE IT BACK AND I ALSO HAVE A HEDGE THAT'S TOO WIDE AND NEEDS TO BE CUT BACK RATHER DRASTICALLY. IS IT OKAY TO DA THAT NOW?

Michael says THE DRASTIC PRUNING ON THE PRIVET HEAD SHOULD BE DONE ON THE SPRING. THE ROSES, SHARON, THE PRUNING OF IT CAN BE DONE AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. THE BASIC RULE WITH PRUNING IS THIS: AFTER THINGS BLOOM, PRUNE THEM. IF THEY'RE NOT BLOOM WILLING, IT'S BETTER TOO PRUNE THEM WHILE THEY'RE ACTIVELY GROWING. HIBISCUS BLOOMS LATE SEASON, JUST ALMOST FINISHING THE BLOOM PERIOD NOW, YOU PRUNE IT. IF YOU WERE TO PRUNE FORSYTHIA RIGHT NOW, YOU'D PRUNE OF ALL THE BLOOMS FOR NEXT YEAR. WAIT UNTIL NEXT SPRING AFTER IT'S FINISHED BLOOMING TO PRUNE IT. SO THE BASIC RULE OF THUMB, PRUNE AFTER IT BLOOMS AND YOU'LL BE OKAY. YOU SAID YOU NEEDED SOME BASIC...

Mary says I DEFINITELY NEED. HOW DO YOU PRUNE COMAUS.

Michael says IT DEPENDS ON THE SPECIES OF COMATOSE WHEN THEY PRUNE. SOME NEED TO BE PRUNED RIGHT TO THE GROUND IN THE SPRING, SOME NEED A FALL PRUNING, SOME SHOULD BE PRUNED IN MID SEASON. ALL DEPENDS ON THE VARIETY. THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU BUY A PLANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. AND EVERY TIME THE TAG ALWAYS USUALLY HAVE THE INFORMATION USUALLY ON THE BACK. YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHEN THEY BLOOM, PLANTING DEPTH, WHAT TIME OF YEAR, WHEN TO PLANT FOR THIS. EVEN WITH THE COMATOUS, IT WILL TALK ABOUT WHEN TO PRUNE. REALLY IMPORTANT. A LOT OF OF THE TIMES, MANY GARDENERS ARE IMPULSE BUYERS. MEANING THEY CAULK INTO... WALK INTO A GARDEN CENTRE, THEY SEE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS PRETTY AND GO, I WANT T. WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT VARIABLES YOU HAVE IN YOUR AREA, IN YOUR YARD, DO I HAVE SUN, DO I HAVE SHADE, WHAT'S MY SOIL TYPE, IS IT DRY, AM I A PERSON THAT LIKES TO WATER, AM I EARN PERSON THAT LIKES TO GARDEN OR DO I WANT LOW MAINTENANCE, FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE, WHEN YOU GO INTO A GARDEN CENTRE, YOU SAY, THESE ARE MY NEEDS. YOU LOOK AT THE TAG, IF THEY DON'T MEET YOUR NEEDS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PRETTY YOU DON'T BUY IT. KIND OF LIKE A SHOPPING LIST AT A GROCERY STORE.

Mary says I'M DISCOVERING MORE AND MORE ABOUT MYSELF AS YOU TALK. LOW MAINTENANCE, DON'T LIKE WATERING. REALLY, I BOUGHT ICICLE PANSIES AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. I'VE GOT TO GO OUT AND BUY BULBS. I NEED A LOT OF WORK, FRANK. YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE ME SOME HELP HERE.

Michael says NO PROBLEM. HIRE A GARDEN BOY FOR YOU.

Mary says I THINK I'M NOT NOT TO BE TRUSTED. IF I'M LET LOOSE IN THE GARDEN CENTRES, I WILL GO WHAT I LIKE, WHAT LOOKS GOOD. MAYBE YOU CAN EVEN TELL ME, LOOK THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE SO EASY, YOU SHOULD START WITH THIS AND THIS WILL GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SUCCESS.

Michael says BULBS ARE REALLY EASY. THEY'RE SO EASY. TULIPS, DAFFODILS. REALLY, REALLY EASY.

Mary says PERENNIALS FROM MY NEIGHBOURS, LIKE THEY'RE OVERLOADED WITH THEM.

Michael says DAY LILIES, THEY'RE THE MOST EASY THING THAT YOU CAN GROW. THEY'LL GROW ALMOST ANYWHERE. HOSTAS ANOTHER TYPICAL VARIETY THAT ARE EASY TO GROW. SEDUM LIKE WE ALREADY SAID, VERY EASY. MANY DIFFERENT... PURPLE CORN FLOWER, YOU KNOW, IT ALL DEPENDS ON IF YOU HAVE SUN OR SHADE. ALL THOSE DIFFERENT VARIABLES. A LOT OF THE TIMES YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT, OKAY, IN THE SPRING, UNDERNEATH YOUR MAPLE TREE, THE REASON WHY YOUR BULBS ARE BLOOMING IS THAT MAPLE TRIAL DOESN'T HAVE ANY LEAVES, THERE'S LOTS OF LIGHT. DURING THE SUMMERTIME, ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT SUNNY SPRING AREA, EARLY SPRING AREA BECOMES A VERY SHADED SUMMER AREA. SO IT'S ALSO NOT JUST LOOKING AT ONE TIME OF YEAR, IT'S TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY DURING EVERY SEASON TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, I USED TO GROW PA TUNE I CAN'TS IN THIS ONE AREA AND THEY WERE BLOOMING GREAT, THE LAST THREE YEARS THEY HAVEN'T BLOOMED. YOU FORGOT YOU PLANTED A SHADE TREE NOT TOO FAR AWAY, AS IT'S MATURED IT'S TAKEN AWAY THE LIGHT IN THAT AREA. SO EVERYTHING CHANGES.

Mary says I'M NERVOUS ABOUT MIXING PLANTS. GO AHEAD AND MIX.

Michael says DON'T BE NERVOUS. YOU KNOW, LIKE EVEN WITH BULBS, YOU CAN GO IN AND MIX A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT COLOURS. BUY WHAT YOU LIKE. BUY THE COLOURS THAT YOU LIKE. IF YOU LIKE BRIGHT COLOURS, BUY BRIGHT COLOURS. IF YOU LIKE PASTELS, BUY PASTELS. AND GARDENING IS LIKE LIFE. I ALWAYS SAY. THAT YOU'RE GOING MAKE MISTAKES. AND THAT'S THE FUN OF IT. THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, THIS WORKS. GREAT. THIS DIDN'T WORK. AND THAT'S WHY FALL'S ALSO A GOOD TIME TO SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY WRITE OUT WHAT DID WORK AND WHAT DIDN'T WORK. AND THEN THAT ALSO GIVES YOU KIND OF A PLAN OF ATTACK FOR NEXT YEAR. THEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLACE AND YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, DURING THE MONTH OF JULY, I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT LOOKED GOOD. IN MY GARDEN. I NEED SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BLOOM IN JULY THEN. YOU KNOW, LAST SPRING, I REMEMBER MY NEIGHBOR'S PLACE LOOKED FANTASTIC. AND I DIDN'T REALLY... I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY COLOUR. HOW CAN I GET COLOUR? BUY DOING BULGE BUSINESS, YOU CAN DO THAT. REFLECTING. GARDENING'S ALL ABOUT SMELLING THE ROSES. AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE TIME TO SMELL THE ROSES.

Mary says OKAY. THIS IS GOOD. THIS SUPPORT. I NEED THIS. WE'LL GO TO JENNIFER IN OSHAWA. HI, JENNIFER.

The Caller says HI.

Mary says GO AHEAD.

The Caller says I WAS JUST WONDERING, I HAD PLANTED A WHOLE BUNK OF FLOWERING SHRUBS THIS YEAR, INCLUDING A RHODODENDRON, DO I HAVE TO COVER THEM BEING IN OSHAWA OR WHAT SHOULD I DO, SHOULD I JUST LIKE PUT BURLAP ON THEM?

Michael says THE MAJORITY OF YOUR FLOWERING SHRUBS DO NOT NEED COVERING. THE RHODODENDRON DOES BECAUSE IT'S A BROAD-LEAF EVERGREEN. VERY IMPORTANT. DO NOT PRUNE THAT. I CALL IT A ROWDY. DON'T PRUNE THE ROWDYS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE REASON BEING IS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY SET THEIR BUDS FOR NEXT YEAR. FOR COVERING THAT, THE BEST THING TO DO IS BUILD AN A FRAME OVER IT. TAKE TWO PIECES OF PLYWOOD RIGHT OVER TOP OF THAT'S GOING TO SHADE IT FROM THE SUN AND FROM THE WIND, PROTECT IT FROM THE WIND DURING THE WINTERTIME, ALLOW THE SNOW NOT TO DAMAGE IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO KEEP THE PRESSURE OF THE SNOW OFF, THEN GOING TO PUT SNOW RIGHT AROUND THE PLANT SO THE SNOW WILL PROVIDE SOME INSULATION. THAT'S THE BEST THING, BY BUILDING A LITTLE A-FRAME STRUCTURE.

Mary says ANOTHER CALLER HERE. TIME FOR BETTY IN ORILLIA. HI, BETTY.

The Caller says HI.

Mary says GO AHEAD.

The Caller says A WHILE AGO HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ALIUM AND THE STINKY PLANT AFTER. I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT DIVIDING THE ALIUM AND ALSO MY STINKY PLANT, WHICH IS AN ORANGE ONE, NOT A YELLOW ONE, IT'S GOOD FOR THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS, NOW IT DOESN'T FLOWER. AND COULD IT BE DIVIDED AS WELL?

Michael says YEAH. WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH BOTH OF THEM, AFTER ABOUT THREE TO FOUR YEARS, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO DIVIDE THEM AND YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THEM UP, WHEN YOU BRING THEM UP, SEE THAT ON THE ONE BIG BULB, WHICH... ACTUALLY I CAN JUST DEMONSTRATE ON THIS ONE. YOU'LL SEE ON A BULB LIKE THIS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS SMALL LITTLE BULBS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAMD. THOSE YOU PULL OFF AND THEN YOU REPLANT EVERYTHING. THOSE ARE CALLED BULBLETS, BABY BULBS. USUALLY IN THE FIRST COUPLE SEASONS THOSE BABY BULBS DO NOT BLOOM BUT THEN AS THEY BUILD THE ENERGY, THEN THEY'LL START TO BLOOM MORE AND MORE AND MORE. SOMETIMES PLANTS DO GET OVER THE YEARS WEAK AND TIRED. AND THEY WILL NATURALLY DIE OUT. SO SOMETIMES IT'S BEST TO REPLACE. AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AS WELL. WE HAVE TO START OFF WITH NEW STOCK BECAUSE OVER THE SEASONS IT BECOMES WEAKER AND WEAKER AND WEAKER AND YOU HAVE TO START FRESH AGAIN.

Mary says WE'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT 30 SECONDS LEFT. BUT I HAVE TO ASK YOU JUST QUICKLY, IS THERE ANY SORT OF UNDERRATED GEM, SOME PLANT THAT YOU WISH, GEE, YOU KNOW, I WISH PEOPLE WOULD USE THAT MORE OFTEN BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW WE GO THROUGH VOGUE PLANTS OR TRENDY PLANTS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD LOVE THIS IF THEY KNEW ABOUT IT?

Michael says WELL, THERE'S SO MANY.

Mary says YOUR FAVOURITE?

Michael says MY FAVOURITE IS ALWAYS THE PANSY.

Mary says THAT'S YOUR FAVOURITE. OKAY.

Michael says FAVOURITE PLANT. IN THE SPRING IT'S BRIGHT AND SUNNY. IN THE SUMMER, DOESN'T LOOK TOO GOOD, PINCH IT RIGHT DOWN. BLOOMS AGAIN IN THE FALL. TO ME, BRIGHTEST, YOU KNOW, JUST TO ME, IT JUST MEANS SPRING.

Mary says I'M GROWING THEM, TOO, FRANK, SO I'M A FAN AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HELP TODAY. I'LL PROBABLY BE CALLING YOU.

Michael says NO PROBLEM. ANY TIME.

Mary says OKAY. FRANK FERRAGINE, ONE OF THE HOSTS OF GROW TV ON THE NEW VR. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM FRANK CHECK OUT THE INTERACTIVE GARDENER'S WEBSITE AT WWW.THE INTERACTIVEGARDENER.COM. SPEAKING OF GROWING THINGS, PERHAPS YOUR FAMILY IS CURRENT UNDERGOING A NEW ADDITION. ADDING ONE CHILD TO YOUR LIFE CAN BE A SHOCK BUT JUST IMAGINE HAVING TWINS. OUR NEXT ITEM WAS PRODUCED BY PLANET PARENT, TVO'S NEW PARENTING SHOW. THIS IS THE FIRST PART OF A VIDEO DIARY. BY A FAMILY WHO HAVE RECENTLY ADDED TWINS TO THEIR HOUSEHOLD.

A clip plays on screen with the caption "Video diary."

(BABY CRYING)

Two babies cry. A woman picks one up.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Carla Dempsey. Busy Mom."

Carla is in her thirties, with long straight chestnut hair in a bun.

She hands over the baby to a man.

The caption changes to "Joe Davies. Coping Dad."

Joe is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with wavy brown hair. He wears glasses.

As Joe comforts one baby, a toddler jumps up and down demanding attention.

The caption changes to "Charlotte Dempsey. Big Sister."

The camera focuses on one of the crying twins.

The caption changes to "Trevor Davies. Twin One."

The camera pans to the other twin.

The caption changes to "Liam Davies. Twin Two."

Carla says HARDEST PART.

Joe says EVERYTHING.

Carla says EVERYTHING.

Joe says EVERYTHING IS HARD.

Fast clips show the twins crying.

Inside a car, as the twins cry, Carla says
POOR BUDDY. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT MY FIRST REACTION WAS WHEN I FOUND OUT I WAS HAVING TWINS? THIS WAS IT. DRIVING BACK FROM THE MIDWIFE'S OFFICE WITH CHARLOTTE IN THE BACK I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, OH, MY GOODNESS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIT THREE CAR SEATS IN HERE AND I STARTED TO CRY AND I CRIED ALL DAY.

Inside the house, as she carries the twins, Carla says
OKAY. LET'S GO. OH-OH, SEE, HERE NOW WE GO. TREVOR. TREVOR. TREVOR. MOVE OVER THERE. OKAY. LET'S TAKE THEM UPSTAIRS.

Joe says READY?

At their interview, Carla says WHAT'S THEIR ROUTINE?

Joe says WE DON'T HAVE ONE.

Carla says THERE'S NO ROUTINE.

Joe says WE WAKE UP, THE DAY STARTS AND IT ENDS LATER ON.

Carla says WE MIGHT HAVE A ROUTINE, THE NEXT DAY IT WILL BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT. YEAH.

Joe says YEAH.

A caption reads "Daybreak."

As the babies breastfeed, Carla says HOW TO STOP YOUR BABY FROM CRYING. THERE, HAPPY AS A CLAM. ONE BABY HERE. AND ONE BABY OVER HERE.

As the babies feed, Carla types on a computer.

Joe says AMAZING. IT'S GREAT. I STILL... EVERY TIME I SEE THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT WE GOT TWO AT ONCE. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEY'RE CRYING OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING. IT'S JUST STILL AMAZING TO ME.

Carla says DECIDED TO HAVE BATHS IN THE MORNING BECAUSE...

In a fast-motion clip, the couple bathes the twins in a small tub.

Carla says THERE HE IS. HELLO.

At the interview, she says HE NEVER MIXES THEM UP.

Joe says I HAVEN'T MIXED THEM UP.

Carla says I HAVE. BUT I'M A LITTLE MORE TIRED THAN YOU, I THINK.

Joe says YOU ARE.

Carla says LIAM IS GREEN, TREVOR IS YELLOW. LIMB AM IS WEARING THE BRIGHT COLOURS, TREVOR IS WEARING THE PALE COLOURS TODAY. ONE DAY I THINK I SWITCHED THEIR HATS AND SOMETHING AND I WENT OUT, I GOT THEM TOTALLY MIXED UP. WE GOT HOME FROM WHEREVER WE'D BEEN, ONE WAS CRYING, I THOUGHT IT WAS TREVOR, COME ON IN, I SAT DOWN ON THE COUCH AND I GOT READY TO NURSE, GOSH, YOU'RE REALLY STARTING TO LOOK LIKE YOUR MOTHER SO MUCH. THEN I LOOKED AT HIM AGAIN, I WENT, OH, MY GOD, YOU'RE LIAM.

Facing Charlotte, Carla says THOSE GUYS OVER THERE ON THE FLOOR?

She points at a container with the two twins.

Charlotte says FRANK AND FRANK.

Carla says WHO ARE THEY?

Charlotte says THEY'RE BABIES.

Carla says THEY'RE BABIES. ARE THEY YOUR BROTHERS?

Charlotte says YEAH.

Joe says JUST TO BE REALLY SAFE, KARLA'S PUT TOE NAIL POLISH ON LIAM.

Carla says JUST IN CASE. I PAINTED HIS TOE NAIL. RED. IF YOU THINK IT'S EASY TO PAINT YOUR TOE NAILS, YOU SHOULD TRY PAINTING THE TOE NAILS OF A SQUIRMING BABY.

A caption reads "Afternoon."

Carla says FOR ALL THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT YOUR LIFE ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE WHEN YOU HAVE CHILDREN. HAHAHA. WE'RE GOING TO TIME OURSELVES TO SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES US TO GET OUT THE DOOR. THIS IS A BIT OF A FEAT BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS SO WE'VE ALREADY CHANGED THE BABIES AND THEY'VE BEEN FED.

Joe says AND WE HAVE THE BAGS PACKED.

Carla says AND ALL THE BAGS ARE PACKED. READY?

Joe says JUST GETTING COATS.

Carla says JUST GETTING COATS. ON YOUR MARK, GET SET. READY, TREVOR. ON YOUR MARK, GET SET, GO.

She starts a stopwatch. Then a fast-motion clip shows the couple getting the twins ready.

Joe says 14 MINUTES... 14 AND A HALF MINUTES.

Carla says THAT'S A RECORD.

Joe says PRETTY GOOD. FOR SOME REASON I FIND THAT I LIKE BEING OUT. THE BIG ROAD OUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A SAFER PLACE.

Carla says SOMETIMES.

As they drive, Carla says WE'RE ON THE WAY TO THE GROCERY STORE NOW. THAT SHOULD BE AN ADVENTURE. IT'S, HOLY MACKEREL, FIVE MINUTES TO 3:00 ALREADY. WHERE HAS THE DAY GONE?

A caption reads "Evening."

Inside their home, Carla says NOW, ARE THE TWO BOYS HAVING PIZZA, TOO? ARE THEY HAVING PIZZA?

Charlotte says NO.

Carla says THE KIDS, TOO.

Charlotte says NO TEETH.

Carla says THEY DON'T?

Charlotte says BECAUSE THEY'RE BABIES.

Carla says YOU GUYS GOING TO START THE PIZZA? WHAT MOVIE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE?

Then, as she holds a VHS, she says
I JUST WANT TO SAY TO EVERYBODY, SEE THESE THINGS HERE, THESE ARE LIFE SAVERS. I NEVER THOUGHT THAT I WOULD USE ONE OF THESE TO SAVE MY LIFE. BUT THESE ARE INDISPENSABLE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE OF THESE, GET ONE NOW. I SWEAR TO YOU.

Now in the kitchen, an elderly woman smiles as she sits on a chair and rocks the twins in two separate chairs using her feet.

Carla says LOOK AT THAT. WHO NEEDS ROCKING SWINGS WHEN YOU'VE GOT A GRANDMA AROUND? SHE ROCKED THIS GUY RIGHT OFF TO SLEEP.

Now the twins sleep together.

Carla says WELL, IT'S 9:50 AT NIGHT AND I'M JUST ABOUT READY FOR BED. LIAM IS ASLEEP. AND TREVOR IS JUST RELAXING. ALL RIGHT.

A caption reads "To be continued..."

Back in the studio, Mary says
And you've just watched a video diary from TVO's parenting series called Planet Parent. It's on every Wednesday at 7 o'clock.
Thank you for watching. Join me every weekday at 1 o'clock for More to Life.

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