Transcript: Gardening | Jun 06, 2001

(music plays)

A title appears inside the shape of a house: More to Family. The opening sequence shows a wooden table with a small lit candle.
Fast clips show different sets of hands performing activities on the table such as pulling petals from a daisy, drawing a big red heart, tuning a violin, flipping through the pages of a book, cooking, and pouring a glass of red wine.
In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: "More to life."

Then, Maureen Taylor appears in a studio with textured yellow walls and a window in the background.

Maureen is in her late thirties, with wavy brown hair in a bob. She's wearing a yellow suit.

She says Hi, I'm Maureen Taylor and this is "MORE TO LIFE." YOU LOVE YOUR GARDEN. EACH PLANT MATTERS TO YOU. EACH PLANT IS AN INDIVIDUAL. WELL MY GUESTS TODAY BELIEVE THAT PLANTS, LIKE CHILDREN, SOMETIMES NEED TOUGH LOVE. THEY NEED TO BE MADE STRONG AND HARDY AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE BABIED. DIANE EVEREST AND SUZAN FAUCETTE ARE CO-OWNERS OF SILK PURSE FARM perennials. THEY SPECIALIZE IN DROUGHT-TOLERANT, HARDY PERENNIALS.

Diane is in her fifties, with red hair in a short bob and bangs. Suzan is in her late fifties, with short wavy gray hair and glasses. They both wear purple t-shirts and green aprons.

Maureen continues WOULD YOU LIKE TO BREAK THE ANNUAL HABIT BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH PERENNIALS TO PLANT? MAYBE YOU NEED TO KNOW WHY NOTHING IS SURVIVING IN THAT ONE SPOT IN THE GARDEN. GIVE US A CALL WITH YOUR GARDENING QUESTIONS.

A caption reads "416-484-2727. 1-888-411-1234."
Then, it changes to "moretolife@tvo.org"

Maureen continues WELCOME LADIES. HI.

Both guests say HI.

Maureen says LET ME BEGIN WITH THIS BASIC GARDENING PHILOSOPHY OF YOURS TODAY, SUZAN. WHY DO YOU SAY PLANTS NEED TO BE RELATIVELY SELF-SUFFICIENT?

The caption changes to "Suzan Fawcett. Silk Purse Farm Perennials."

Suzan says WELL IN OUR EXPERIENCE IF YOU WATER REGULARLY, OR MORE THAN REGULARLY AND FERTILIZE, YOU MAKE FOR WEAK PLANTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AND WORK FOR THEMSELVES. SO WHAT YOU DO, IF YOU WATER THEM ONCE WHEN YOU PUT THEM IN AND MULCH, AND I'M NOT SURE IF... USING SHREDDED CEDAR IT USUALLY, AND LEAVE THEM ALONE AND THEN THEIR OWN ROOT SYSTEM CAN GO OUT AND LOOK FOR NUTRIENTS AND MOISTURE. EVEN IN FAIRLY SEVERE DROUGHT PERIODS, IF YOU PLANT THE RIGHT PLANTS IN THE RIGHT PLACES, OF COURSE.

Maureen says AND THAT'S THE KEY, I GUESS.

Suzan says THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE KEY. I SAY THAT IT'S LIKE KIDS. IF YOU GIVE THEM ALL OF THE STUFF THAT THEY NEED AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO EVER FIGURE IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES AND THEN THEY GO OUT IN THE WORLD, HOW DO THEY FIND OUT WHAT TO DO? AND THEY OFTEN STUMBLE A LOT. AND THE SAME WITH PLANTS. IF YOU GIVE THEM EVERYTHING WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO DO. SO WHEN YOU GO AWAY FOR A MONTH...

Maureen says YEAH, WHICH I DO. I HAVE TO LEAVE MY GARDEN FOR WHOLE MONTH SO I JUST SAY GREAT BIG PRAYER USUALLY.

Suzan says WELL, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU SEE? YOU'D COME BACK AND SAY MY GOODNESS, THEY'RE JUST AS FINE AS THEY WERE WHEN I LEFT.

Maureen says OKAY. AND NOW DIANE, YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD WELCOME CERTAIN BUGS INTO OUR GARDEN.

Diane says ABSOLUTELY, AND ONE BUG THAT WE SHOULD WELCOME MORE THAN ANY OTHER PROBABLY IS THE LADYBUG. SHE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD. A LADYBUG IN HER LIFETIME WILL KILL APPROXIMATELY 3,000 APHIDS.

Maureen says KILL OR EAT?

Diane says EAT. EAT IS KILLING.

Maureen says YES. SO THEY'RE NOT JUST OUT THERE FOR THE SPORT.

As they talk, Diane shows Maureen several small sealed glass jars.

Diane says NO, NO SHE'S SERIOUS. SERIOUS BUSINESS. AND WE HAVE SOME APHIDS HERE. THEY'RE VERY, VERY TINY LITTLE BLACK THINGS AND THEY WILL GO ON YOUR ROSES AND ORNAMENTAL PLANTS AND THEY'LL DEVASTATE THEM. AND SO WE HAVE THOSE. NOW WE HAVE TENT CATERPILLARS HERE AS WELL.

Maureen says OH, DON'T LET THOSE OUT.

Diane says ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THEM?

Maureen says YEAH, I'VE SEEN THEM.

Diane says WOULD YOU LIKE TO TOUCH ONE?

Maureen says NOT REALLY.

Suzan says OH, GO ON, GIVE HER ONE.

Suzan opens a jar and hands it over to Diane.

Diane says I MEAN THEY WON'T HURT YOU, MAUREEN.

Maureen says THEY WON'T START SPINNING A TENT? I'VE SEEN THEM AND THE DEVASTATION THEY CAN DO.

Diane hands Maureen a caterpillar and says THEY FEEL KIND OF NICE, SOFT AND FURRY.

As the caterpillar crawls across her hand, Maureen says WHAT SHOULD WE... THEY'RE NOT GOOD IN THE GARDEN.

Diane says THEY'RE NOT GOOD. WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY WON'T KILL YOUR TREE BUT THEY'LL WEAKEN IT SO MUCH THAT THE TREE WILL EVENTUALLY FALL PRONE TO ALL SORTS OF OTHER DISEASES.

Maureen says SO WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR PEOPLE?

Diane says WELL THERE'S A WONDERFUL WEBSITE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, WWW.BUGFREELIVING.COM AND IT HAS ALL SORTS OF INFORMATION ON HOW...

Maureen says SOLUTIONS FOR DEALING WITH...

Diane says CONTROLLING ALL SORTS OF BUGS NOT JUST CATERPILLARS.

Maureen says OKAY, SO BUGS ARE GOOD. SOME BUGS ARE GOOD.

The caption changes to "Diane Everest. Silk Purse Farm Perennials."

Suzan says SOME BUGS ARE GOOD, SOME AREN'T.

Maureen says AND I WAS INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU SAID, SUZAN, ABOUT FERTILIZERS ARE ACTUALLY NOT GOOD FOR YOUR PLANTS.

Suzan says WELL, WE'RE... WE BELIEVE IN NATURAL FERTILIZER. COMPOST AND LEAVES BREAKING DOWN, WORMS. WE MENTIONED WORMS... I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THEM...

Maureen says CRUST BEFORE THE SHOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARTH WORM.

Suzan says AND WORMS ARE WORKERS AND IF WE REMOVE EVERY LEAF FROM OUR GARDEN THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WORK TO DO AND THEY LEAVE. YOU WANT WORMS, THEY AERATE THE SOIL, BREAK DOWN THE SOIL AND PROVIDE NATURAL FERTILIZER. AND THOSE OTHER GUYS.

Maureen says SOW BUG, THE GUYS...

Suzan says YEAH, THE THINGS YOU LIKED TO PLAY WITH WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD.

Maureen says THERE ARE TONS OF THESE UNDER MY CONTAINERS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING THERE.

Suzan says THEY CREATE FERTILIZER AS WELL BY BREAKING DOWN...

Maureen says LET ME SHOW.

Suzan says YEAH, SHOW PEOPLE WHAT YOU USED TO DO.

Maureen picks out several pill bugs from a jar, then says I HOPE I DON'T GET THE animal RIGHTS ACTIVISTS... THEY DO CURL UP INTO A LITTLE BALL. I WON'T PLAY MARBLES WITH HIM. I DID THAT WHEN I WAS SEVEN... HE DOESN'T TO WANT STAY.

One of the bugs curls up into a ball and falls from her hand.

Maureen says OH! THERE, THEY SAW THE BALL!
I THOUGHT THESE WERE SOMEHOW BAD FOR MY ROOTS OR SOMETHING.

Suzan says NO.

Diane says NO, THE ONLY THING IT I THINK IT'S AN AESTHETIC THING. THEY WILL CHEW HOLES IN SOME OF YOUR PLANTS AND SOME PEOPLE WANT A PICTURE PERFECT GARDEN.

Suzan says THE YOUNG ONES, THE ONES, THE YOUNG SOW BUGS THAT DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.
(LAUGHING)
I'M SORRY.

Diane says BUT THEY WILL EAT HOLES IN SOME OF YOUR PERENNIALS SO IF YOU WANT A PICTURE PERFECT GARDEN THEN YOU MIGHT WANT TO MOVE THEM ALONG, BUT CERTAINLY DON'T DESTROY THEM.

Maureen says SO WHEN YOU PUT PERENNIAL IN THE GROUND, SUZAN, YOU DON'T ADD TRANSPLANT FERTILIZER OR ANYTHING ELSE? NO SHE SAYS.

Suzan says NO.

Maureen says THERE'S A HUGE INDUSTRY AROUND SELLING US FERTILIZERS...

Suzan says I KNOW. I KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE ANGRY WITH US BUT WE DON'T DO THAT. AND IN FACT THAT CAN WEAKEN THE PLANT BECAUSE THEY NEVER HAVE TO GO BEYOND THE POT OR THE CONTAINER, IN THE CASE OF A TREE. THEY NEVER HAVE TO GO BEYOND THAT. SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND YOU'RE AWAY FOR A MONTH OR WHATEVER, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT THERE ANYMORE, YOU KNOW?

Maureen says RIGHT.

Suzan says SO NO, WE DON'T DO THAT.

Maureen says IF YOU'VE BEEN DOING THAT CAN YOU WEAN THEM OFF THE BAD STUFF IN.

Suzan says YES, ABSOLUTELY. KEEP... I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NERVOUS ABOUT COMPOSTING AND I THINK THE BIG SECRET THERE IS JUST MAKE SURE YOU DON'T PUT ANY MEAT OR DAIRY PRODUCTS IN THERE. AND WE DON'T EVEN TURN OURS, ALTHOUGH DIANE WAS SAYING WELL, YOU SHOULD TURN THEM, WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, AND MY GOODNESS, WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS? WE GET COMPOST.

Maureen says AND THE WORMS DO IT.

Suzan says THE WORMS DO IT AND THOSE OTHER GUYS, YOUR LITTLE ARMADILLOS.

Maureen says IF PEOPLE ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH MAKING COMPOST THEY COULD GIVE THESE GUYS A CALL, TOO. THEY SOUND LIKE EXPERTS...

Suzan says says WE'RE LAYS ZEE.

Maureen says LET'S TAKE SOME CALLS. WE'RE GARDENING THIS AFTERNOON WITH MY GUESTS DIANE EVEREST AND SUZAN FAUCETTE OF SILK PURSE FARM PERENNIALS AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM CALL US IN TORONTO AT...

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Maureen says ANITA IS IN TOTTENHAM. HI ANITA.

The Caller says HI.

Maureen says HI.

The Caller says I'M FINDING EVERYTHING SO INTERESTING SO FAR, SUZAN AND DIANE, THANKS. I HAVE A PERENNIAL GARDENS, AND THE TREES ARE STARTING TO GROW AND THEY'RE BIGGER AND BIGGER AND NOW I'M GETTING INTO SHADE GARDENS. THINGS ARE NOT GROWING AS WELL. IS THERE ANYTHING BESIDE HOSTAS AND VIOLETS THAT I CAN SORT OF GRADUALLY SWITCH OVER TO?

Suzan says ONE QUESTION, WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE THEY?

The Caller says SOME OF THEM ARE NORWAY MAPLES.

Diane says ANITA, THAT'S A BIT OF A PROBLEM. THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS THAT WOULD GROW IN THE SHADE BUT A NORWAY MAPLE TAKES A LOT OF NOURISHMENT AND MOISTURE FROM THE SOIL. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL UNTIL YOUR SELECTION.

Suzan says YES. WELL ON OUR WEBSITE WE HAVE A SECTION CALLED PROBLEM GARDENING, I THINK IT IS. WE SHOULD KNOW IT OFF BY HEART BUT WE DON'T. ANYWAY, THERE IS PAGES THERE ON GARDENING UNDER MAPLE TREES AND THERE'S A LIST OF RECOMMENDED PLANTS THESE ARE PLANTS THAT WE PERSONALLY HAVE FOUND TO WORK. YOU WILL FIND OTHER SUGGESTIONS, BUT WE DON'T ALWAYS agree WITH THOSE. THESE ARE ONES THAT WE GROW UNDER OUR MAPLES IN ZONE FIVE, AND I GUESS YOU'RE PROBABLY ZONE FIVE.

Maureen says IN TOTTENHAM, YEAH PROBABLY SHE IS. SO CAN YOU NAME A COUPLE OF THEM FOR US?

Suzan says YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IN FACT I CAN SHOW YOU ONE.

Maureen says OH SWEET WOODRUFF AND I DON'T KNOW...

Suzan picks up and shows a small leafy green plant and says GALEUM OLDERODDUM. THIS WILL GROW RIGHT YOU WANT TO BASE OF THE MAPLE PEL AND IT WILL FORM A BEAUTIFUL GROUND COVER AND EVEN UNDER A MAPLE IN THREE YEARS IT WILL BECOME A PROBLEM CHILD, SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT UNDER... AND THIS IS UNDER A MAPLE. YOU HAVE TO KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY LOVELY. IT'S EVER-GREEN, GETS WHITE FLOWERS IN MAY AND YOU HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL LUPINE-LIKE FOLIAGE ALL SUMMER. IT'S VERY NICE.

Maureen says IT IS NICE, SPREADS BEAUTIFULLY. I HAVE NORWAY MAPLE IN MY FRONT GARDEN AND WHAT DO YOU THINK OF... I THINK IT'S AGAPANTHUS.

Suzan says OH, NO, NOT IN THE SHADE.

Maureen says THEN THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS. IT'S SOMETHING GROWING LIKE GROUND BUSTERS IN THERE, THE ONE THAT LOOKS PRETTY AND IS INVASIVE AND GOING INTO MY NEIGHBOUR'S LAWN, THEY CALL IT GOUTWEED.

Suzan says OH NO!
THAT'S SO BAD WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE BOTANICAL NAME FOR IT.

Maureen says IT SHOULD BE ONLY IN A CONTAINER...

Diane says THE BIRDS HAVE DROPPED IT IN TWO OF OUR GARDENS.

Suzan says WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THAT OURSELVES.

Maureen says WHAT DO YOU DO? DIG OUT?

Diane says WELL WE TRY... IT'S JUST ONGOING.

Maureen says YEAH, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT TO ANYBODY.

Diane says BUT THERE IS A GINGERUS EUROPEANN, OR A EUROPEAN GINGER, AND IT WOULD GROW WELL UNDER THE MAPLE. IT'S GOT A SHINY LEAF. IT ISN'T NATIVE CANADIAN, EVER GRORNGS AND IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLANT.

Suzan says BUT IT'S SLOW GROWING, UNLIKE THIS GUY, BUT IT'S WORTH WAITING FOR. YOU GET TRADE-OFFS.

Maureen says SHE'S GOT AN INTERESTING SITUATION WHERE SHE HAD SOME SUN BUT HAS TO SWITCH TO SHADE.

Suzan says THAT HAPPENS. ALTHOUGH WE LOVE HOSTA, YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE CONDITIONS OF THE SHADE, FOR SURE.

Maureen says LIKE DAPPLED OR...

Suzan says YEAH. NOT ALL HOSTA ARE HAPPY UNDER A MAPLE EITHER.

Maureen says MICHAEL IS IN TORONTO. HI MICHAEL? ARE YOU THERE MICHAEL?

The Caller says YES I'M HERE. FIRST UP I WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH I VERY MUCH ENJOY YOUR SHOW, AND SECONDLY, I HAVE A ROW OF CEDAR TREES ALL ACROSS THE BACK. THEY STARTED PRETTY SMALL AND NOW THEY'RE ABOUT I GUESS EIGHT OR TEEN FEET EACH. HOWEVER ALL ALONG THE BOTTOM AND ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE FENCE, ALL AROUND UNDERNEATH THE TREES NOTHING GROWS WHAT SOF. THE GRASS DOESN'T GROW, IT'S JUST A DEAD, DAMP SPACE.

Suzan says DAMP? OH, GOOD!
OH, GOOD!
YES!

The Caller says IS THERE ANY KIND OF GROUND COVER OR FLOWERS OR ANYTHING THAT I COULD GROW AROUND THOSE KIND OF TREES AT ALL? IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT GROWING, I DON'T KNOW, THE FIR TREES...

Suzan says YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING, THIS GUY. BUT WE FIND IT OFTEN ON ONE SIDE AT LEAST OF THE CEDARS IT'S DAMP, AND THEN YOU REALLY, YOU COULD GROW HOSTA, YOU COULD GROW... I THINK THIS IS SO PRETTY UNDER THERE BECAUSE IT'S LIGHTER AND IT LIGHTENS UP THE SHADE UNDER THE TREES. THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE HERE BUT YOU CAN LOOK FOR PULMONAREA.

Diane says I'M SORRY, WAS IT MICHAEL?

Maureen says YEAH.

Diane says YEAH MICHAEL, I'M WONDERING IF YOUR CEDARS COME RIGHT DOWN TO THE GROUND?

The Caller says UM, NOT ALL THE WAY. THEY PRETTY WELL DO. THERE'S JUST ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF...

Suzan says OH, THAT'S LOTS OF SPACE.

Diane says I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT SOME LIGHT GETTING THROUGH. THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.

The Caller says MM-HMM. I'M NOT SURE.

Suzan says YOU'RE NOT SURE HOW DENSE THEY ARE.

The Caller says NO, ACTUALLY MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT, THE FENCE ALONG THE BACK, THE LIGHT DOESN'T GET IN AROUND THERE AT ALL. I I GUESS... YEAH, IT DOES GET LIGHT.

Suzan says SOMETHING LIKE THE GALEUM WILL GROW TO THE LIGHT ANYWAY AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE GALEUM UNDER THERE IT WOULD REALLY LOOK PRETTY. IF YOU GET LIGHT, YOU'RE PRETTY SAFE WITH ALMOST ANY SHADE-LOVING PLANT SO I'M SURPRISED THAT NOTHING WILL GROW UNDER THERE.

The Caller says OKAY, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A SOIL PROBLEM OR SOMETHING.

Maureen says WELL YOU SHOULD AMEND YOUR SOIL ALL THE TIME ANYWAY, PUT YOUR COMPOST DOWN?

Diane says COMPOST IS ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA.

Suzan says BUT YOU PROBABLY THINK YOU HAVE AN ACID SOIL OR SOMETHING?

The Caller says YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE PINE...

Suzan says THAT'S NOT ALWAYS TRUE. YOU WOULD BE MAYBE SMART TO GET YOURSELF A VERY INEXPENSIVE P.H. METRE. I THINK YOU CAN GET THEM AT LOCAL LARGE NURSERIES AND THEY'RE ONLY ABOUT 10 dollars I THINK, AND YOU CAN SHARE IT AMONG YOUR FRIENDS. AND THAT WILL TELL YOU WHETHER IN FACT IT'S ACIDIC. AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE TO ADJUST SLIGHTLY FOR THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY ACID IN TORONTO.

Maureen says NO?

Suzan says NO, WE USED TO GARDEN HERE AS WELL SO...

Maureen says WE HAVE A PICTURE FROM YOUR WEBSITE OF A PULMONARIA.

A picture shows a small plant with spotted dark green leaves and deep purple bell flowers.

Suzan says YES. THAT'S BERTRAM ANDERSON MAYBE. THAT'S JUST A SPRING FLOWERING PLANT BUT DO YOU GET THAT RATHER NEAT FOLIAGE. IT'S A WHITE SPECKLED, DARK GREEN BACKGROUND, AND THEY GROW UNDER OUR CEDAR HEDGE. THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING WE HAVE THOSE THAW SAME CONDITION.

Maureen says YOU WERE SURPRISED THAT IT WAS DAMP UNDER THERE. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THE BRANCHES OF THE CEDAR WOULD KEEP THE WATER OFF OF THE AREA.

Suzan says IT'S BECAUSE IT'S SHADY. IT'S LIKE THE NORTH SIDE OF A HOUSE. IT SORT OF CREATES THE CONDITION SO IF THE TREE IS... THERE'S ALWAYS SOME... I MEAN THE TREE'S ROUND, SO PART OF IT'S GOING TO KEEP MOIST, AND PART OF IT MAY BE DRIER THAN ANY OTHER, BUT I... WE FIND THAT THE TREES MANAGE THAT, AND THE PLANTS... NOT LAZY PLANTS... THEIR ROOTS WILL GO WHIPS OVER... WHIPPING OVER THERE TO GET THE MOISTURE.

Maureen says GOOD LUCK, MICHAEL, THANKS FOR THE CALL. MO IS IN OAKVILLE. HI MO.

The Caller says HI.

Maureen says HI, YOU'RE A MO?

The Caller says YES, I AM.

Maureen says SO AM I. GO AHEAD, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION?

The Caller says I ENJOY YOUR SHOW, FIRST OF ALL.

Maureen says THANKS.

The Caller says IT'S FANTASTIC. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GROW TRUMPET 199MY BACK GARDEN BECAUSE I WANTED JUST TO HAVE HUMMINGBIRDS. AND IT'S A VERY... THERE'S A LINE OF TREES BEHIND THE FENCE AND GARDEN, THE TRUMPET VINES ARE IN FRONT AND I'VE GIVEN THEM ALL KINDS OF COMPOST, AND I JUST CANNOT SEEM TO GROW... IS IT THE SHADE?

Suzan says YEAH, THEY WOULD LIKE A LOT OF HAUTE SUN.

The Caller says DO THEY?

Suzan says YEAH TO FLOWER. WE'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH OURS BECAUSE WE HAVE A MAPLE THAT'S GETTING BIGGER AND WE'RE LOSING THE SUN AND IT'S JUST LANGUISHING.

Maureen says OH. IS YOUR PRIME... SORRY, MO. IS YOUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE THEY'RE ATTRACT THE HUMMINGBIRDS?

The Caller says YES, IT IS. YES.

Maureen says IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? IN THERE ARE OTHER THINGS.

Maureen says IN FACT A MANISERA VINE...

Maureen says HONEYSUCKLE.

Suzan says THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE OURSELVES, WE DON'T SELL THAT PLANT BUT WE KNOW THAT IT TOLERATES SHADE AND...

Diane says IT ALSO TOLERATES WALNUT TREE...

Maureen says OH, THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM.

Suzan says YEAH, THAT'S ANOTHER WHOLE PROBLEM. BUT ALSO YOU WANTED A VINE SPECIFICALLY?

Maureen says SORRY, MO ARE YOU THERE?

The Caller says YES, I AM.

Maureen says YOU WANTED A VINE, DID YOU?

The Caller says YES I DID.

Suzan says WELL I WOULD DEFINITELY and and TRY IT. IT'S FAIRLY SLOW GROWING BUT SO WOULD YOUR TRUMPET VINE BE, SO YOU'VE OBVIOUSLY GOT PATIENCE. AND IT COULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY KIND OF TWINE AROUND YOUR TRUMPET VINE, AND EVENTUALLY YOU WILL GET THE FLOWERS AND IT'S RATHER A NICE VINE.

The Caller says THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Suzan says YOU'RE WELCOME.

Maureen says SOME CLEMATIS ARE OKAY IN THE SHADE, AREN'T THEY?

Suzan says YES, BUT HUMMINGBIRDS AREN'T KEEN. YOU KNOW THERE'S TRADE-OFFS, YOU DON'T GET THE BIG FLASHY FLOWERS WITH THAT LENISSERA, BUT YOU WILL GET THE HUMMINGBIRDS. THEY'RE QUITE SUBTLE, HUMMINGBIRDS.

The Caller says ARE HUMMINGBIRDS LOOKING FOR INSECTS IN YOUR GARDEN, WOULD THEY BE, DIANE?

Diane says MOSTLY NECTAR.

The Caller says NECTAR. WELL BY ATTRACTING CERTAIN INSECTS, WILL YOU ATTRACT CERTAIN KINDS OF BIRD TO IT THE GARDEN?

Diane says WE SORT OF LET NATURE TAKE ITS OWN ON THAT MAUREEN. WE DON'T TRY TO ATTRACT ANY... WE DON'T CHASE ANYBODY AWAY, OTHER THAN CUT WORMS OR...

Suzan says BUT WE'VE GOT BLUEBIRDS THIS YEAR.

Diane says WE DO, FIRST TIME EVER.

Suzan says AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW. WE DON'T HAVE A BLUEBIRD HOUSE. THEY'RE LIVING IN ONE OF OUR CEDAR... AH-HA, MICHAEL, ONE OF OUR CEDAR SHRUBBARY AREAS AND WE JUST SAW THEM. SO WE'RE EXCITED. WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, DID WE?

Diane says NO. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD, OTHER THAN NOT CHASING ANY THEM AWAY, DO MUCH MORE THAN THAT TO ENCOURAGE THEM.

Maureen says HOW ARE YOU ABOUT EARWIGS.

Suzan says WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

Maureen says WELL ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THOSE ARE GOOD FOR THE GARDEN, TOO, DIANE?

Suzan says I'LL LET YOU DEAL WITH THAT DIANE.
I THINK MAYBE WE HAVE ALL GOT OUR PREJUDICES ABOUT BUGS. I THINK IT WOULD BE ONE THAT YOU WOULD GO TO THE BUG SITE TO HAVE A LOOK FOR. WE'RE NOT TROUBLED A LOT BY THEM BUT WE KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE CAN THEY GET IN THE HOUSE.

Diane says THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT CLAIM THAT THEY DO PINCH THEM, AND THAT'S A FALLACY.

Suzan says YEAH, OR GET INTO YOUR EAR OR SOMETHING.

Diane says DIANE LOOKED THOSE TWO THINGS UP JUST TO SEE WHETHER THAT WAS A MYTH.

Maureen says I DON'T HAVE THEM IN TORONTO BUT THEY WERE A PROBLEM IN OTTAWA WHEN I GARDENED THERE, FOR SOME REASON. SO THERE YOU GO. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL GO ONTO BRIAN IN WILL MONTH CENTRE. HI BRIAN.

The Caller says GOOD AFTERNOON, MAUREEN. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR GUESTS A QUESTION. MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOUR HAS A GREAT BIG BEAUTIFUL BLACK WALNUT TREE, AND I CAN'T GROW ROSES ANYWHERE. I'VE GOT APPROXIMATELY A HALF ACRE PROPERTY. THE WALL NULT TREE IS ABOUT 75 FEET FROM OUR MAJOR FLOWER BEDS AND I HAVE LITTLE GARDEN AREA DOWN BY THE BARN, AND THAT MIGHT BE BE A HUNDRED FEET AND I'M JUST WONDERING IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE WALNUT TREE GIVES OFF THAT IS KILLING... I QUIT BUYING THEM A FEW YEARS AGO. THEY'D GROW ONE YEAR, NEXT YEAR EITHER THEY'D BE DEAD OR SO SPINDLY.

Suzan says YEAH.

Diane says THAT'S RIGHT.

The Caller says AND I KNOW THERE MUST BE SOMETHING COMING OFF, WE HAVE A PET THAT WON'T EVEN EAT THE GRASS UNDER THE TREE.

Diane says THE ROOTS OF THE TREE GIVE OFF A SUBSTANCE CALLED YETLONE, AND THAT IS TOXIC TO PLANTS. THERE ARE A LOT THAT GROUND OR AROUND IT... YOU CAN GROW MORE THINGS UNDER BLACK WALNUT THAN YOU CAN UNDER A MAPLE TREE.

The Caller says MY MAIN THING IS THERE NRP ON MY PROPERTY... LIKE HOW FAR AWAY THIS TREE CAN I GROW ROSES?

Suzan says WELL, IT'S INTERESTING. I'M SURPRISED THAT IT'S THAT FAR AWAY AND...

Maureen says A HUNDRED FEET!

Suzan says YEAH, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE WONDERFUL CLIMBING ROSES ON A TERRELL HIS, AND I WOULD SAY IT'S ABOUT 70 FEET. NOW DEFINITELY AS WE GET CLOSER THEY WERE SICKLY. AND EVEN THAT FRAUDAGMAR, SHE'S DOING WELL.

Diane says THAT'S A ROSE.

Maureen says I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU HAD SOME GERMAN WOMAN THAT YOU WERE TRYING TO GROW.

Suzan says SO I'M SURPRISED THAT IT'S TAKING, THAT IT'S GOING THAT FAR AND HURTING YOUR ROSE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TWO SUCCESSES THERE. IT MAY, MAYBE OUR TREE ISN'T 75 FEET TALL OR SOMETHING.

Maureen says YEA, MAYBE THIS TREE IS TALLER SO THE ROOTS GO OVER...

Suzan says YES, I'M REALLY SORRY TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A ROSE LOVER, IT'S INTO THE HAPPY THING.

Maureen says BUT NOW HE KNOWS IT IS THE WALNUT, BLACK WALNUT, AND THE FURTHER FROM IT HE CAN GO MAYBE WILL YIELD SOME SUCCESS. THINK WE HAVE A PICTURE FROM YOUR WEBSITE OF A BLACK WALNUT.

A colour picture shows a walnut tree with green unripe walnuts.

Suzan says YEAH!

Maureen says SO THOSE ARE THE WALNUTS.

Suzan says YES, AND THAT'S THE TREE.

Maureen says IS IT A TREE YOU WOULD EVER PLANT ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY IF YOU HAD A CHOICE?

Suzan says WE WOULD. NOW. NOW THAT WE KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM WE WOULD DEFINITELY PLANT THEM.

Maureen says YEAH. IT'S TOO BAD BRIAN HAD TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY THOUGH BEFORE HE...

Suzan says AND A HUNDRED FEET, THAT'S REALLY TOO BAD! MAYBE YOU HAVE TO GO 150 FEET.

Maureen says OKAY. WHAT ABOUT ROSES THOUGH IN THE... AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN GO WRONG. SOME PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT MILLED DUE, IS SOMETIMES A PROBLEM. WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THAT?

Suzan says WELL, THERE'S TWO THINGS. REALLY MILDEW IS AN AIR CIRCULATION PROBLEM, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S AIRBORNE. AND WHAT WE DO IS WE GROW THINGS IN FRONT OF THE THINGS THAT GET MILDEW BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAKE A PLANT THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A LARGE BORDER THAT STILL GETS MILDEW AND STILL HAS ALL SORTS OF AIR CIRC. WHAT WE'LL DO, USUALLY IT'S THE BOTTOM PART BEGINS TO LOOK REALLY RATTY SO WHAT WE DO IS PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THAT THAT GROWS ABOUT THAT HIGH. CAMOUFLAGE.

Maureen says OH, I SEE, CAMOUFLAGE. JENNIFER IS IN GOULAY RIVER, HI JENNIFER.

The Caller says HI. I HAVE A QUESTION AND IT'S ABOUT WASPS AND APHIDS. I HAVE DAUGHTER AND SHE'S ALLERGIC TO WASP STINGS AND LAST SUMMER THE SWAS.S WERE SWARMING ALL AROUND MY MAPLE TREE AND AROUND MY SPRUCE TREES. I WAS TOLD THIS WAS BECAUSE THERE WERE APHIDS ON THOSE TREES AND THE WASPS WERE ATTRACTED TO IT THE APHIDS. NOW THIS SPRING THERE'S MANY, MANY CLUSTERS OF TINY LITTLE RED EGGS ON THE LEAVES OF THE MAPLE TREE AND I WAS WONDERING IF THESE WERE APHID EGGS AND WHAT CAN I DO TO KEEP THE APHIDS AWAY FROM THE TREES OR IF THERE WAS ANYTHING I COULD DO.

Suzan says THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

Diane says IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION. I KNOW ANTS LOVE APHIDS. IN FACT THEY'LL HIDE THEM IN PARTS OF THE PLANT BECAUSE APHIDS GIVE OFF SORT OF A HONEYDEW-LIKE IN EFFECTOR SO ANTS, THAT'S A LOVELY SOURCE FOR THE ANTS SO THEY WILL PROTECT THE APHIDS FROM LADYBUGS.

Suzan says THE OTHER THING IS YOU CAN'T REALLY... ON A TREE IT BEING A LARGE FREE TREE, UNLESS YOU HIRED MAYBE SOMEBODY WITH THE PROPER EQUIPMENT, YOU COULD TRY USING AN INSECT SIDE, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S REALLY A BAD SITUATION. BUT YOU COULDN'T DO THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY...

Diane says I WOULD... YEAH, I WOULD AGREE, AN INSECTICIDE, IF YOU READ EVERYTHING ON THAT PACKAGE VERY CAREFULLY, THEN CERTAINLY LOOK THAT FOR...

Maureen says ARE THE RED EGGS...

Suzan says WELL, DO YOU KNOW THAT?

Diane says I DON'T KNOW TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

Suzan says WE'RE NOT CLEAR ON THAT.

Maureen says THAT MIGHT BE A JOB. TAKE THE LEAF WITH THE EGGS AND TAKE IT TO A NURSERY OR...

Suzan says AN ARBORIST, A TREE SPECIALIST.

Maureen says I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE TO LOOK AT THAT FOR YOU.

Suzan says A TREE SPECIALIST WOULD BE THE ONE.

Maureen says YEAH.

Suzan says BECAUSE I NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THAT. THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

Maureen says HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT BUYING THINGS LIKE LADYBUGS, DIANE, IN ORDER TO HAVE THEM, MORE OF THEM TO EAT THE APHIDS.

Diane says WELL YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE IT ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE LADYBUGS ARE GOING TO STAY WHERE YOU PUT THEM BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. CERTAINLY TRYING IT.

Maureen says OKAY. GO TO BORIS NEXT IN TORONTO. HI BORIS.

The Caller says YES, HI, HOW ARE YOU? I'M ENJOYING THE SHOW VERY MUCH.

Maureen says THANKS.

The Caller says I HAVE A QUESTION, WE'VE HAD IN OUR GARDEN, I'M IN THE CITY OF TORONTO, A COMPANY OF PEONIES, ONE MUCH OLDER ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS OLD, THE OTHER ONE WE HAVE PLANTED A COUPLE YEARS AGO. BOTH HAVE DONE EXTREMELY WELL. THIS YEAR WE HAVE A PROFUSION OF FLOWERS COMING UP, HOWEVER WHAT I HAVE NOTICED AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DUE TO THE RAIN OR ANY OTHER CAUSES, SOME OF THE LEAVES ON THESE PEONIES, ONE IS MORE SHADED THAN THE OTHER, THERE IS SPOTTING SORT OF... IT LOOKS ALMOST ANAEMIC, RATHER THAN THE BRIGHT GREEN IT COMES UP SORT OF YELLOWISH AND WHITISH.

Suzan says ARE YOU FERTILIZING AROUND THEM AT ALL?

The Caller says WE HAVEN'T DONE THE FERTILIZING YET. I WAS WAITING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO WET.

Suzan says RIGHT. NO FERTILIZING ON THE GRASSES OR ANYTHING NEARBY?

The Caller says NO, I DON'T DO... NO I DON'T USE ANYTHING.

Suzan says OKAY. THAT DOES SOUND LIKE A NITROGEN LEECHING SITUATION.

Diane says THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.

Suzan says YEAH. THAT'S USUALLY AN INDICATION BECAUSE MAYBE OF THE RAIN, YOU COULD TRY MAYBE A VERY... WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST FOR NITROGEN?

Diane says BLOOD MEAL?

Suzan says YEAH, SEE, WE'LL GO BLOOD MEAL. BONE MEAL'S PHOSPHOROUS.

Maureen says SO HE NEEDS TO ADD NITROGEN.

Suzan says YEAH, A LITTLE BIT. BUT WHY ONLY ON ONE SIDE?

The Caller says WELL, THIS IS THE THING. BUT BOTH. ON BOTH. AND THEY ARE ABOUT... I WOULD SAY A GOOD 20 FEET APART.

Suzan says WOW, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING!

The Caller says ONE IS VERY WELL-SHADED AND THE OTHER IS IN BRIGHT SUN. WESTERN EXPOSURE AND THEY'RE ON THE NORTH SIDE. NORTH OF THE HOUSE.

Suzan says AND IS IT THE SIDE OF THE PEONY THAT'S NORTH?

The Caller says IT'S AT THE BOTTOM PART OF THE LOVES, NOT THE WHOLE THING, JUST PARTS.

Suzan says WELL, THE OTHER THING IS THAT THEY MAY HAVE JUST BEEN DAMAGED SOMEHOW WHEN THEY WERE EMERGING. IF IT'S NOT THE WHOLE PLANT OR HALF THE PLANT, YOU MIGHT JUST TO WANT REMOVE THEM AND SEE, AND NOT DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW? THEY MAY BE WEAK, BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS SESSION. THEY MAY JUST BE WEAK CHUTES OF THE PLANT, AND ALTHOUGH YOU'VE NEVER HAD THAT EXPERIENCE BEFORE, MAYBE THEY COULDN'T HANDLE ALL THE RAIN, FOR EXAMPLE. AND THEY SAID OKAY, THIS IS NOT WORKING FOR ME.

Maureen says I DON'T KNOW PEONIES THAT WELL. ACCOUNT WEAK PART BE DIVIDED OFF FROM THE HEALTHY PART?

says WELL YOU COULD JUST CUT THOSE BRANCHES OFF. IF IT'S NOT THAT MANY AND IT'S NOT GOING TO RUIN THE APPEARANCE OF THE PLANT, I WOULD TRY THAT FIRST. PERSONALLY.

Maureen says OKAY, ALL RIGHT GOOD LUCK. THANKS BORIS. SPEAKING OF DIVIDING, FOR EXAMPLE HOSTAS SOMETIMES GET REALLY REALLY LARGE AND WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING IS DIVIDING THEM AND BRINGING THE OTHER HALF UP TO MY COTTAGE, WHERE I WAS TRYING TO START GROWING THINGS. IS THIS THE TIME TO DO THAT OR IS IT BETTER TO WAIT?

Diane says A LOT OF THEM ARE IN BLOOM RIGHT NOW. SO I WOULD HAVE DONE IT PREFERABLY IN THE SPRING WHEN THE LITTLE NUBS COME UP. SUZAN LIKES TO DO IT SOMETIMES IN THE FALL.

Suzan says SOMETIMES BUT THERE'S A NICE LITTLE RULE OF THUMB.

Maureen says WHAT'S THE RULE OF THUMB?

Suzan says SPRING FLOWERING, DIVIDE IN THE FALL. FALL FLOWERING, DIVIDE IN THE SPRING.

Maureen says BUT HOSTAS FLOWER IN THE SUMMER.

Diane says IN JULY.

Suzan says BUT DO YOU KNOW WHY IT'S NICER TO DO THEM IN THE SPRING? BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE THESE LITTLE NUBS AND IN THE FALL YOU STILL HAVE WONDERFUL LEAVES AND YOU FEEL LIKE A DESTROYER AND IF YOU JUST HAVE LITTLE NUBS COMING UP AND TAKE YOUR SHOVEL AND HIT DOWN YOU DON'T FEEL SO CRUEL.

Maureen says LET'S TAKE LOOK AT A HOSTA FROM YOUR WEBSITE. YOU CAN TELL US WHICH ONE THIS IS. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIETIES NOW. ANGEL?

A picture shows a plant with large, dark green, heart-shaped, ribbed leaves.

Suzan says BLUE ANGEL. THAT'S A REALLY LARGE ONE. THE ONE THAT WE BROUGHT WITH US IS JUST A DWARF. THAT'S A BLUE HOSTA AND IT REALLY DOES NOT WANT TO BE ANYTHING ANYTHING BUT SHADE OR YOU'LL LOSE THAT NICE BLUE QUALITY.

Maureen says I SEE. AND WHAT'S THE RULE OF THUMB THERE? THE LIGHTER THE LEAF, THE MORE SUN IT CAN TOLERATE?

Suzan says WELL, WE DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE IN THE SUN.

Diane says NOT IN FULL SUN.

Suzan says PARTIAL, DAPPLED, NOT HALF A DAY, AND THE YELLOW HOSTA IN THE SHADE JUST IS LIKE A BEACON ON THE CLOUDY DAY AND YOU WALK THROUGH YOUR SHADE GARDEN AND THERE'S THESE YELLOW BEACON, QUITE SPECTACULAR BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE. GARDENERS ARE VERY OPINIONATED.

Maureen says ARE THEY?

Diane says YOU'RE ADMITTING THAT?

Suzan says OUR OPINION IS THAT YOU DO NOT PLANT HOSTAS OUT OF THE SHADE BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE OUT THERE SAYING WELL, I'VE GOT... BUT IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A MOIST CONDITION. WE DO HAVE TWO THAT WE LOVE IN THE SUN. ONE IS HOSTA SAGGAI AND IT DOES BEAUTIFULLY. WHAT HAPPENS IN THERE IN THE SUN IS THEY GET SUNBURNED AND THEY LOOK... THEY DON'T LOOK HAPPY. THEY LOOK SORT OF LIKE THE PEONY PROBLEM AND SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE LEAVES OFF AND IT'S JUST NOT GOOD.

Maureen says NOT AS GOOD. OKAY, JENNY IS IN FERGUS. HI JENNY, WELCOME.

The Caller says HI.

Maureen says HI.

The Caller says I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT FIRST OF ALL I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING MY CALL. I'M ENJOYING THE SHOW.

Maureen says THANKS.

The Caller says AND I MISSED THE BEGINNING PART WHERE THE LADIES SAID THEY WERE SITUATED, AT THE BEGINNING PART OF THE SHOW. WHERE IS SILK PURSE?

Suzan says WHERE WE? NORTH OF FERGUS, WE'RE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A QUARTER. WE'RE UP TOWARDS OWEN SOUND.

The Caller says OH, OKAY.

Suzan says YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF HOURS NORTH OF TORONTO.

The Caller says OH, OKAY. ANYWAY MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE HOLLYHOCKEYS. I HAVE ABOUT TEN HOLLYHOCKS GROWING ALONG THE SOUTH WALL OF A GARAGE, IN A SEPARATE BED AND THE SOIL HAS BEEN AMENDED WITH COMPOST AND THEY WERE LUSH AND GORGEOUS UP UNTIL A WEEK AGO AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE LEAVES ARE FULL OF PIN HOLES AND I ALSO HAVE A WHITE FOAM AT THE CENTRE OF THE STEM WHERE IT JOINS THE BRANCH. AND THEY LOOK PRETTY SAD. AND I REALLY WANT TO SAVE THEM BUT I DON'T WANT TO USE AN INSECTICIDE. I WONDERED WHETHER I SHOULD SPRAY THEM WITH SOMETHING LIKE SAFERS INSECTICIDAL SOAP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

Maureen says WHAT KIND OF BUG DO YOU THINK THAT IS DIANE?

Diane says WELL I KNOW THE FOAM THING, THAT'S A SPIT TELL BUG.

Maureen says SPIT TELL BUG.

Diane says AND AGAIN, I THINK ON THE BUG FREE WEBSITE YOU CAN FIND A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT THAT BUT HOLLYHOCKS ARE HAVING A REALLY ROUGH TIME THIS YEAR. IT'S FAR TOO WET FOR THEM AND COLD.

The Caller says THEY'RE A VERY WELL-DRAINED AREA.

Suzan says THAT'S GOOD.

The Caller says SO THEY'RE NOT SITTING IN POOLS OF WATER, BUT IT SEEMS SUCH A SHAME BECAUSE THEY LOOKED SO LUSH AND DELICIOUS AND NOW THEY'RE LOOKING KIND OF SAD.

Diane says WELL IF WE GET A COUPLE OF HOT SUNNY DAYS I THINK YOU MAY NOTICED A BIT OF AN IMPROVEMENT.

The Caller says OKAY, BUT YOU WOULDN'T SUGGEST SPRAYING THEM SAY WITH SAFERS SOAP TO GET RID OF THE FOAMY IN.

Suzan says OH THAT... THOSE GUYS... NO THOSE GUYS DON'T DO ANYTHING. THEY'RE NOT REALLY DOING ANY HARM. IF YOU JUST TO WANT TAKE A WATERING CAN AND POUR...

The Caller says OKAY, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S CAUSING...

Diane says NO, NO, THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES.

Maureen says SO YOU JUST THINK IT'S THE WETNESS...

Suzan says WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE PIN HOLES IN THE LEAVES. THAT COULD BE ANYONE OF OUR BAD GUYS THAT WE WERE... BAD BUGS. GEE, I'M SURPRISED YOU HAVEN'T GOT ANY MILDEW YET. I HATE TO SAY IT. I ALWAYS FIND HOLLYHOCKS, YOU JUST CAN'T LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, YOU HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE FLOWER BECAUSE THEY DO TEND TO BE...

Diane says RUST AND MILDEW.

Suzan says YEAH, RUST AND MILDEW PRONE BUT PIN HOLES, IT COULD BE ANYTHING.

Diane says YOU HAVEN'T SPOTTED ANY BUGS OR LITTLE BLACK SPOTS?

The Caller says I HAVEN'T NOTICED ANYTHING AS YET.

Suzan says EVEN GRASS... I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN A GRASSHOPPER YET. SOMETIMES THEY POKE HOLES IN LEAVES AND THINGS.

The Caller says YES, BUT THEY LOOK... IT'S TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY ALMOST LOOK LACEY.

Suzan says WOW. DO YOU THINK IT'S THE SAME THING THAT DOES THE AQU LIMD ILEGIUM LEAVES.

Diane says I THINK THAT'S HOST-SPECIFIC.

Suzan says THAT'S ANOTHER LITTLE GUY YOU CAN HARDLY SEE.

Maureen says AT THE END OF THE SHOW JENNY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE OUT THE ADDRESS FOR THE BUG FREE LIVING WEBSITE. YOU MIGHT WANT TO VISIT...

The Caller says I'M NOT ON THE INTERNET, SO I CAN'T... COULD I WRITE FOR THE INFORMATION?

Maureen says YEAH, YOUR LIBRARY WOULD BE THOUGH. YOUR PUBLIC LIBRARY WOULD LET YOU ON AND SHOW YOU EXACTLY HOW TO GET THERE.

The Caller says OKAY, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

Maureen says BYE-BYE.

The Caller says 'BYE.

Maureen says I WANTED TO ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THESE GUYS HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY I PUT THEM TOGETHER.

She picks up two small pots containing a plant with tiny red leaves and a plant with furry pale green leaves.

Suzan says BECAUSE THEY LOVE SUN AND HOT, DRY CONDITIONS.

Maureen says SIMILAR CONDITIONS, IS THAT WHY?

Suzan says SO IT JUST SORT OF CAME TO YOU NATURALLY.

Maureen says WELL I DON'T KNOW THEIR LATIN NAMES.

Suzan points at the plant with pale green leaves and says THIS IS SEMPERVIVUM OR VIVUM, AND THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT VARIETIES AND COLOURS. SOME OF THEM HAVE LITTLE COBWEBBY THING IN THE CENTRE AND FOR COLLECTORS THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF THEM. THE OTHER ONE IS CALLED... WE JUST FOUND A NEW PRONOUNCIATION FOR THIS APPARENTLY THE CORRECT ONE, SEDUM. NOT STONECROP WHICH IS ONE OF THE COMMON NAMES FOR IT BUT THEY BOTH WILL THRIVE IN HOT, DRY CONDITIONS WITHOUT ANY WATER. SO THERE FOR NICE DROUGHT AREAS.

Maureen says AND SUN?

Suzan says SUN SUN SUN. OH, YES, SORRY. HOT SUN. YUP.

Maureen says WE'RE LABOURING UNDER THE HOT SUN IN THE GARDEN THIS AFTERNOON WITH MY TWO GUESTS, DIANE EVEREST AND SUZAN FAWCETT OF SILK PURSE FARM PERENNIALS. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT GARDENING, GIVE US A CALL.

The phone numbers and email reappear briefly.

Maureen says MARGARET IS IN GEORGETOWN. HI MARGARET.

The Caller says HI. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING INSIDE WATCHING TELEVISION BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST DAY WE'VE HAD ANY PEEK OF THE SUN, BUT AM AWFUL GLAD I DID AND GOT THROUGH TO YOU. I'M INTERESTED IN THE USE OF ASH IN BOTH COMPOST AND DID I NOT HEAR LAST YEAR WHEN IT WAS SO WET AND RAINY AND MY GARDEN WAS SO FULL OF SLUGS AND SNAILS THAT THEY WERE EATING HOSTAS, THE MINUTE I PLANTED THEM, THEY WERE GONE THE NEXT MORNING, I DID NOT HEAR THAT ASH WAS GOOD TO SPRINKLE AROUND THE BASE OF HOSTAS TO STOP THAT? AND THEN CAN I THROW SOME IN MY COMPOST? I CAN'T FIND ANY REFERENCE TO THIS ANYWHERE.

Diane says I'LL ADDRESS THE HOSTA ISSUE FIRST OF ALL, AND THEN SUZAN CAN ADDRESS THE COMPOST PILE. THERE ARE SO MANY STORIES OUT THERE ABOUT WAYS TO CONTROL SLUGS IN DEALING WITH HOSTAS. THE THING IS HOSTAS PRODUCE... SLUGS PRODUCE ENOUGH MUCOUS IN THEIR BODY TO CROSS OVER RAZOR BLADES. SO IT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO BE MUCH OF A DES TER RENT. IT MIGHT SLOW THEM DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT SURE WON'T STOP. WITH SLUGS AND HOSTAS, I THINK THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS WATER IN THE MORNING AND THEN BY EVENING YOUR GARDEN WILL BE DRY, AND A WET, DAMP SPOT ATTRACTS THE SLUGS. AND ANOTHER THING IS PLACE YOUR PLANTS AT A GOOD DISTANCE FROM ONE ANOTHER AND CLEAN UP GARDEN DEBRIS SO THAT THERE AREN'T LEAVES AND TWIGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THEM TO HIDE UNDER, AND I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY YOUR THREE BEST THINGS TO TRY. BY ALL MEANS... I'VE HEARD OF EGG SHELLS, PEANUT SHELLS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

Suzan says COPPER WIRE.

Maureen says MAYBE YOU DON'T GO FORGETTING RID OF THEM BUT I GO OUT WITH MY CAN AT NIGHT AND THE A FLASHLIGHT AND I PUT THEM IN SALT WATER AND THEY... DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A WONDERFUL DEATH BUT I'M NOT REALLY TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND I PICK THEM OFF AT TEN O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WITH MY FLASHLIGHT AND I REALLY GOT A HANDLE ON THEM AFTER DOING THAT FOR A FEW NIGHTS IN SUCCESSION.

Diane says NOW I HAVE TO SAY THAT PROPAGATORS OF CANADIAN GINGER, OR SARUM CANADENSIS A DEPENDENT ON SLUGS TO PROPAGATE THE PLANT.

Suzan says THAT'S THE FIRST POSITIVE THING WE EVER HEARD ABOUT SLUGS.

Diane says THE ONE AND ONLY BUT THEY DO PROPAGATE THAT PLANT.

Suzan says THERE'S ONE OTHER PIECE...

Diane says CALL NATURE, I SHOULD SAY. I'M SORRY.

Suzan says FIRST OF ALL, I WAY AGREE ABOUT THE CLEANING UP OF THE DEBRIS, BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE GOING BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE THAT DON'T TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE NUTRIENTS INTO THE SOIL FROM LEAVES AND SO ON. IT'S USUALLY PILES OF THINGS. THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO USE THE LITTLEST TWIG, TOOTH PICK TO GET FROM A TO B BUT IT'S THE TYPE OF HOSTA. IF YOU PUT A GUY LIKE THIS UNDER THERE IN THOSE CONDITIONS THEY WILL LIKE IT. IT HAS A THIN LEAF. IF YOU FOCUS ON LARGE, OR AT LEAST HEAVY LEAFED PLANTS, THE BLUE HOSTAS ARE TOUGHER. SNAILS ARE LIKE THE REST OF US, THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WORK HARDER THAN NECESSARY SO THEY'D RATHER GO TO THESE GUYS OR CRISPULA WHICH HAS THE WHITE EDGE, ONE OF EVERYBODY'S FAVOURITE. IF YOU TURN THE LEAF OVER, IT'S SHINY, THEY'RE MORE LIKELY TO LOVE IT, BASS IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO EAT. HAVING SAID THAT ASH IN THE COMPOST. WE HAVE A LOT OF WOOD ASH OURSELVES AND AT THE BEGINNING WE USED TO PUT IT EVERYWHERE. IN THE GARDEN, IN THE COMPOST PILE. IT'S NOT GOING TO HURT ANYTHING BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO... LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, DON'T PUT AN EXCESS OF IT IN THERE.

Maureen says OKAY. WHAT WOULD IT GIVE TO THE COMPOST? PHOSPHOROUS?

Suzan says YES.

Maureen says OKAY, BUT NOT TOO MUCH.

Suzan says NO.

Maureen says OKAY, DO YOU PUT A LID ON YOUR COMPOSTER?

Suzan says THEY COME WITH LIDS.

Diane says I KEEP A LID ON... I HAVE THREE OF THEM, AND TWO OF THEM HAVE LIDS AND ONE DOESN'T AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE I WANT THE RAIN TO FALL IN IT. WELL NOW THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH RAIN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO I SHOULD PROBABLY COVER IT OVER FOR A WHILE NOW AND LET IT GET GOING AGAIN.

Suzan says IT HELPS TO RAISE THE TEMPERATURE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TWO SORT OF SMALL OPEN PIT... WE HAVE LOTS OF COMPOST BUT ANYWAY THESE PIT GUYS AND I SAID THAT THIS YEAR I THOUGHT MAYBE WE'D THROW AN OLD PIECE OF CARPET OVER IT TO HELP KEEP THE HEAT IN AND ALSO KEEP THE WEED SEEDS OUT. BECAUSE ON AN OPEN PIT COMPOST THEY CAN GO IN THE TOP...

Maureen says OKAY. STELLA IS IN St. CATHARINES. HI STELLA?

The Caller says THANK YOU. I WAS LISTENING TO ANOTHER GARDENER ONE TIME AND IN ORDER TO KEEP NEIGHBOURING CATS OUT OF YOUR YARD, TO PUT HUMAN URINE AROUND YOUR GARDEN.

Maureen says OH, I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO SAY HAIR. THAT HAS BEEN NOTICED WITH THESE OTHER GARDENERS.

Suzan says HAVE YOU TRIED IT?

The Caller says NO. I'M WONDERING IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAD DONE IT.

Diane says I'VE HEARD OF PEOPLE TRYING IT AND UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T DETER THEM. THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE HEARD THAT PEOPLE HAVE USED SUCCESSFULLY, AND THIS DOESN'T, IT MIGHT NOT APPEAL TO YOU, IT DOESN'T TO A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT PUT A COUPLE OF DROPS OF TURPENTINE, JUST A COUPLE, ON PIECES OF WOOD AND PLACE THE PIECES OF WOOD AROUND YOUR GUARD AGAIN THE CATS DON'T LIKE THE SMELL OF TURPENTINE. NOT ENOUGH TO DAMAGE ANYTHING, INCLUDING THE ANIMAL, BUT IT WILL DETER THEM.

Maureen says WOULD IT DETER OTHER THINGS LIKE RACCOONS AND SQUIRRELS?

Diane says THAT I DON'T KNOW.

Suzan says BUT IT'S EASIER THAN URINE.

Maureen says YEAH, I WAS GOING TO ASK HOW YOU COLLECT IT, BUT MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO KNOW.

Suzan says YOU DON'T WANT TO.

Maureen says OKAY, THANKS STELLA. WHAT ARE CATS ATTRACTED TO IN YOUR GARDEN? SEE I DON'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN MINE.

Diane says YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE JUST DUG YOUR GARDEN, YOU'VE GOT ALL SORTS OF... THE BIGGEST KITTY LITTER IN THE WORLD.

Suzan says AND IT'S ALL IDENTIFIES AND LOOSE.

Maureen says IS THAT WHAT THEY THINK?

Suzan says SURE AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU PUT DOWN FRESH MULCH, WHEN UP MULCH YOUR GARDEN WITH SHREDDED CEDAR FOR EXAMPLE, NOT BARK CHIPS, SHRED SEEDDA, YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON AROUND THREE TO FOUR INCHES, YOU DON'T PACK IT DOWN, YOU JUST DROP IT ON. WELL, SO HERE HE COMES! WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK? IT'S WONDERFUL! THEY LOVE THAT!

Diane says JUST FOR ME. IT'S HERE JUST FOR ME.

Maureen says SO YOU LIKE SHREDDED CEDAR?

Suzan says WELL IT'S THE EASIEST MULL SHOULD WE'VE FOUND FOR MOST PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO AGAIN. WE HAVE TWO POT BELLIED PIGS, SO WE HAVE...

Diane says SO WE HAVE THEIR BEDDING...

Suzan says WE HAVE THE BEDDING FROM THEM, WHICH IS WOOD SHAVINGS, AND IT'S GOT URINE IN IT AND OTHER THINGS.

Diane says NITROGEN.

Suzan says AND THINGS AND WE USE THAT ON OUR BEDS BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS POT BELLIED PIGS, AND ALSO THE CEDAR IS QUITE ATTRACTIVE.

Maureen says WHAT DO YOU THINK OF COCOA BEAN SHELLS.

Diane says I USED THAT WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT AND THOUGHT ISN'T THIS EXCITING, AND IT SMELLS...

Suzan says SMELLS LIKE CHOCOLATE.

Diane says BUT THEN IT GOT COVERED IN MILDEW AND CRUSTED AND MY LITTLE ALPINES COULDN'T COME UP THROUGH IT.

Maureen says SO YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT?

Diane says NO.

Maureen says WELL MARJORIE HARRIS IS A BIG FAN OF IT BUT SHE MICKS IT WITH SOME OTHER STUFF.

Suzan says YES, I THINK IF YOU DID THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY, AND I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO USE AS MUCH OF IT AS YOU DO...

Maureen says SO HOW THICK? AN INCH?

Suzan says WELL, YEAH. AND WE TRIED THE CORN HUSK... OH, WE'VE TRIED EVERYTHING. SO WE JUST GO BACK TO OUR PIG BEDDING. BUT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING IT FOR OTHER PEOPLE, BECAUSE AS I SAID, NOT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS...

Maureen says YEAH, HAS ACCESS TO POT BELLIED PIG LEFT OVER STUFF. OKAY, ANDREA IS NEXT. HI ANDREA.

The Caller says HI.

Maureen says HI.

The Caller says I HAVE TWO PLACENTAS SITTING IN MY FREEZER WAITING TO BE PLANTED IN THE GARDEN AND I'M NOT A GARDENER, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT BUT I WANT TO FIND SOME KIND OF SMALL PLANTS... SORRY, TREES OR bushes to PLANT ONE FOR EACH OF MY CHILDREN AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, WHAT'S EASY TO MAINTAIN.

Maureen says HANG ON, YOU'VE SAVED THE PLACENTA IT.

The Caller says YES, AND WE HAVE A... WE HAD A HOME BIRTH, SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THEM IN OUR FREEZER OR BURY THEM AND SO EVENTUALLY I'D LIKE TO PLANT THEM.

Suzan says THAT'S INTERESTING. YOU WANT BIG GUYS OR LITTLE GUYS?

The Caller says NO NOT SOMETHING TOO BIG BECAUSE WE HAVE A SMALL BACKYARD.

Suzan says OKAY. GEE, THERE'S...

Maureen says ARE THEY BOYS OR GIRLS?

The Caller says GIRLS.

Suzan says HOW ABOUT DAPHNES.

Diane says THEY'RE WONDERFUL. MIND YOU ONCE THEY'RE PLANTED THAT'S IT.

Suzan says NO MOVING THEM.

Diane says THEY DON'T GET MOVED. IF YOU TRY TO MOVE THEM THEY WILL DIE. SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT SPOT. YOU'VE GOT A LOT TO SELECT FROM.

Suzan says AND WHICH... THERE'S LOW, LOW ONES, GOT ME? AND THEN THERE'S TALLER ONES, AND MAYBE GET 30 INCHES. SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE NURSERY, MAKE SURE... ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS DAFNEY AND THEN ASK THEM WHAT TYPES THEY HAVE AND ASK THEM WHICH ARE THE LOW ONES AND WHICH ARE THE TALL ONES. THEY ALSO HAVE SCENTED FLOWERS IN THE SPRING. AND WHAT'S ONE THAT'S VARIEGATED.

Diane says THAT'S CAROL MacKEY AND SHE'S BEAUTIFUL BUT BEFORE I DID ANYTHING I WOULD GO ON THE INTERNET AND DO A SEARCH FOR DAF DAFNEY. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF PHOTOS AND DESCRIPTIONS SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND THEN YOU CAN FIND HOPEFULLY A NURSERY THAT...

Maureen says I WAS GOING TO SAY, WHERE DO YOU LIVE AGAIN?

The Caller says IN THE WEST END.

Suzan says IN TORONTO IN?

The Caller says YES.

Suzan says OH, EASY. OKAY. THAT'S EASY.

Diane says YES, SO YOU'LL HAVE A GREAT SELECTION.

The Caller says WHAT ABOUT... SOMEONE TOLD ME I SHOULD PLANT THEM IN BIG PLANTERS SO THAT WHEN WE DO MOVE WE CAN TAKE THEM WITH US.

Suzan says THEY PROBABLY... I WOULD SAY YOU'RE PUSHING IT BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO SURVIVE OVER THE WINTER.

The Caller says RIGHT.

Suzan says AND CONTAINER PLANTING IS IFFY AND YOU DON'T HAVE SNOW COVER, A LOT OF SNOW COVER HERE AND THAT REALLY CHANGES THINGS. EVEN THOUGH THIS IS ZONE SIX, SUPPOSEDLY, WE CONSIDER OURSELVES TO BE ZONE 5B WHERE WE LIVE SPECIFICALLY, BUT WE HAVE SNOW COVER UP TO HERE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING DO THAT YOU BETTER DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN DAFNEY.

The Caller says OKAY.

Maureen says GOOD LUCK. THANKS. I'M GIVING UP ON A MOCK ORANGE IN MY FRONT GARDEN. IT'S NOT BLOOMING. THERE'S TOO MUCH SHADE I GUESS, EH?

Suzan says NO OURS GETS A LOT OF SHADE.

Maureen says AW WHAT AM I DOING WRONG! THIS THING, BEAUTIFUL LEAVES, NO FLOWERS.

Diane says ARE YOU FERTILIZING IT?

Maureen says NO.

Suzan says FERTILIZER FROM THE LAWN?

Maureen says MIGHT BE. THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOUR HAS A LAWN.

Diane says ARE YOU PRUNING AT ALL?

Maureen says NO.

Suzan says YOU'RE DOING ALL THE RIGHT THINGS.

Maureen says REALLY?

Diane says YEAH. I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WERE CUTTING OFF THE BLOOMS.

Suzan says WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AND IT GETS ABSOLUTELY MASSACRED BY SNOW FROM THE ROOF AND EVERYTHING AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

Maureen says THAT'S LIKE MY ANNABELLE HYDRANGEA IN THE BACK, I DO NOTHING TO IT AND EVERYONE ADMIRES IT. THIS MOC ORANGE, I LOVED IT...

Diane says THAT'S INTERESTING. IT MAY JUST BE A WEAK PLANT OR A PLANT WITH A GENE PROBLEM.

Maureen says YOU THINK MOVING IT UP TO THE COTTAGE IN SUNNIER...

Diane says WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY NOT TRY IT? IF YOU'RE GOING DIG IT OUT ANYWAY, GIVE IT ANOTHER CHANCE.

Maureen says DO I WAIT UNTIL THE FALL DO YOU THINK, SUZAN?

Suzan says YEAH, SUMMER, FALL... THEY SORT OF... EARLY SUMMER. I TEND TO DO ALL OUR TREE MOVING, MUCH AGAINST DIANE, I'VE MOVED ALL SORTS OF TREES BUT I MOVE THEM IN MARCH.

Maureen says OH, IT'S COLD IN MARCH.

Suzan says I KNOW. JUST GO OUT THERE AND DO IT, AND MAKE SURE YOU GET A DECENT ROOT BALL WITH IT, YOU KNOW? AND WRAP IT SO THAT NOTHING CAN GET DRIED OUT AND IF YOU CAN GET... IF YOU DIG AND GO... WHERE'S THE COTTAGE?

Maureen says WAY UP THERE IN PEMBROKE.

Suzan says GET UP THERE, HAVE THE HOLE READY, I'M SERIOUS AND SOMETIMES THEY GO OH, WHAT HAPPENED.

Maureen says I'M NOT SURE THE SNOW'S OFF THE GROUND IN PEMBROKE.

Suzan says BUT YOU SCRAPE IT AWAY. I'M SERIOUS.

Maureen says SHE'S NOT AFRAID OF HARD WORK, I'LL GIVE HER THAT.

Diane says WELL, YES.

Suzan says BE BRAVE. BE BRAVE.

Diane says SHE HAS A SOUS GARDENER, THAT WOULD BE ME.

Maureen says HOPE IS IN COLBORNE, HI HOPE.

The Caller says HI. HOW ARE YOU?

Maureen says GOOD.

The Caller says GOOD. I HAVE A VERY TERRIBLE GARDEN. IT IS NOTHING BUT PURE CLAY, IT'S ABSOLUTELY SATURATED, I CAN'T EVEN GET INTO IT. IS THERE ANY WAY OF AMENDING THE SOIL?

Suzan says YES! CLAY GARDENERS, NO PETE MOSS!

Maureen says DON'T PUT PETE MOSS?

Suzan says NO, SAND!

The Caller says THERE ISN'T PETE MOSS IN IT.

Suzan says JUST PUT LOTS OF SAND. SAND CUTS THROUGH LIKE GLASS AND LEAVES. BECAUSE YOU PROBABLY HAVE NO WORMS IN THERE. WE UNDERSTAND... YOU NEED A PICK AXE TO GET IN THERE AND WHEN IT'S WET, IT'S JUST AWFUL. IT'S LIKE YOU COULD WORK IT PROBABLY ON A POTTER'S WHEEL IF YOU COULD GET IT OUT THEREOF. LOTS OF SAND, AND WHEN WE HAD A CLAY PATCH IN OUR GARDEN AREA, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY WORK IT IN BECAUSE WE WERE TOO WEAK. SEE, WE'RE NOT AS STRONG AS YOU THINK. WE JUST THREW THE SAND ON THE GARDEN AND THE SAND WORKED ITS WAY THROUGH INTO THE SOIL.

Maureen says REALLY?

Suzan says YEAH IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME, BECAUSE YOU'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME TO BECOME CLAY, SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE NOT MAYBE AS MANY YEARS BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT TO CHANGE IT BUT WE NEVER PUT PETE IN BECAUSE IF PETE DRIES OUT THE WATER GOES AROUND IT AND IF ONE DAY YOU SHOULD TAKE A HANDFUL OF PETE MOSS AND AT PUT IT IN A PAIFL WATER AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. IT JUST SORT OF SITS THERE. YOU HAVE TO ADD WARM WATER TO IT SO SAND SAND SAND AND LEAVES LEAVES LEAVES.

Diane says ARE THERE COMPOST PILES AVAILABLE NEAR WHERE YOU LIVE? LIKE PEOPLE THAT BAG LEAVES AND TAKE THEM TO A LOCAL... I WAS GOING SAY A LOCAL DUMP, AT A LOCAL SPOT WHERE YOU CAN GO THEN WITH BAGS AND COLLECT COMPOST?

The Caller says WE HAVE A LOT OF LEAVES AROUND HERE. WOULD IT BE LIKE TILL THEM IN COME THE FALL?

Diane says ABSOLUTELY!

Suzan says IF YOU ARE TILL IT YOU'RE REALLY AHEAD OF THE GAME. IF YOU CAN TILL IT TILL THE LEAVES IN, STEAL EVERYBODY ELSE'S LEAVES, THEY'VE DONE ALL THE WORK AND BAGGED IT FOR YOU AND SAND, FOR SURE.

Maureen says OKAY GOOD LUCK.

The Caller says THANKS.

Maureen says THANK YOU. AND WILL YOU HAVE TO KEEP THAT UP? BECAUSE DOES IT NOT TEND TO GO BACK TO CLAY?

Diane says IT WILL AMEND OVERTIME IT. WILL TAKE A WHILE BUT IT WILL EVENTUALLY.

Suzan says AND THEN ONE DAY SHE'LL HAVE ALL THIS WONDERFUL LOAMY SOUL AND BE ASTOUNDED.

Diane says WHEN THE LEAVES GET IN THERE AND ESTABLISHED AND GET SOME ORGANIC MATTER THEN THE WORMS WILL COME AND START BREAKING DOWN THE CLAY.

Maureen says DO YOU SEPARATE OUT LEAVES LIKE OAK LEAVES THAT TAKE A LONG TIME...

Diane says NO, AND WALNUT TREE LEAVES ARE PERFECTLY FINE TO PUT IN. IT'S THE ROOTS.

Maureen says YEAH, I PUT MIOKE IN.

Suzan says YES, OAK IS A BIT OF A PROBLEM TO LEAVE LAYING ON THE GARDEN. WE WERE WORKING IN A GARDEN THAT HAD A HUGE OAK TREE. WE DON'T HAVE ONE, BUT THEY WERE LEFT ON THE GARDEN AND THEY DO NOT DECOMPOSE RAPIDLY SO WE DID HAVE TO REMOVE THEM IN THE SPRING AND WAITED A FAIRLY LONG TIME, SO GUYS UNDERNEATH WOULD HAVE START ODD BREAK DOWN BUT THEY DON'T. WHAT YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, IS PUT THEM THIS A GARBAGE CAN.

Maureen says AND TAKE YOUR WHIPPER SNIPPER.

Suzan says THAT'S RIGHT.

Maureen says I ALMOST LOST AN EYE.

Suzan says YOU KNOW, SAFETY GLASSES.

Maureen says MY NEIGHBOURS THOUGHT I WAS NUTS. IT LOOKED LIKE I WAS MAKING A MILK SHAKE.

Suzan says EXACTLY RIGHT BUT FOR THOSE TYPES OF LEAVES, THEY'RE TOUGHER.

Maureen says PAULINE THAT IS IN TORONTO. HI PAULINE IN A.

The Caller says HI THERE, HOW ARE YOU?

Maureen says GOOD.

The Caller says MY QUESTION IS I HAVE A FIVE-YEAR-OLD LILAC BUSH AND IT'S NEVER FLOWERED AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

Suzan says ARE YOU TRIMMING IT?

The Caller says MY HUSBAND DOESN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT HE LIKES IT SO TALL BUT HE PRUNES IT IN THE FALL. IS THAT WRONG?

Suzan says YOU KNOW WHAT?

Diane says IT'S A SPRING FLOWERING SHRUB. HE'S CUTTING OFF BLOOMS.

Suzan says CAN YOU GET HIM NOT TO DO IT JUST FOR ONE FALL.

The Caller says I WAS SO FRUSTRATED, THIS YEAR I SAID YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'VE GOT TO KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF IT.

Suzan says GOOD!

Diane says GOOD!

Suzan says WHY, JUST TRY IT FOR ONE FALL AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

The Caller says OKAY. NORMALLY WHEN SHOULD IT BE PRUNED?

Suzan says WELL WE... WE DON'T PRUNE THEM. WE DON'T PRUNE THEM BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LITTLE THING, AND IF YOU GO TO THE LIBRARY AND GO A TREE BOOK OR EVEN TO THE INTERNET AND ASK ABOUT PRUNING LILACS, THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT THERE'S... YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE NEXT YEAR'S BLOOM IS COMING ON THE TREE AND I FRANKLY COULD NEVER SEE WHERE THAT IS SO I DON'T DO IT. I JUST DON'T DO IT...

Diane says AND WE GET LOTS OF BLOOMS YEAR AFTER YEAR.

The Caller says AND AS FAR AS FERTILIZING IS CONCERNED, SHOULD I FERTILIZE MORE.

Suzan frowns.

Maureen says LOOK AT HER FACE.

Suzan says HOW ABOUT COMPOST? COMPOST COMPOST COMPOST.

Maureen says SHE FERTILIZES NOTHING.

The Caller says OKAY, THANK YOU.

Maureen says YOU HAVE A LOT OF VERY NICE PLANTS HERE. WHAT'S THIS, AN ASTILBE?

Maureen picks up and shows a small green fern.

Suzan says NO, THAT'S A SERIUM NAPONICU PICTUM. I'M TRYING TO DO FERNS BETTER.

Maureen says WHAT'S THIS?

She picks out a smaller fern.

Suzan points at the large fern and says THIS IS FOR SHADE.

She points at the small fern and says AND THIS IS SUN, HALF DAY SUN. IT'S A DWARF GOAT'S BEARD WHICH IS...

Diane says ARUNCUS ETHEOFOLIUS.

Maureen says THANK YOU.

Diane says OR CLOSE. VERY CLOSE TO IT.

Suzan says SO ONE IS SHADE AND THIS IS NOT A BIG FERN BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TAKE THAT... I JUST WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO SEE...

Maureen says THIS IN THE MIDDLE?

She places a small plant with dark red leaves between both ferns.

Suzan says THE RED STEMS OF THE FERN ARE PICKED UP BY THIS.

Maureen says THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS COLOUR BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE THINK IF YOU GO WITH A PERENNIAL GARDEN YOU HAVE TO JUST, IT'S JUST GOING TO LOOK GREEN MOST OF THE TIME. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE THE COLOUR THAT SAY ANNUALS WOULD PROVIDE. SO WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT?

Diane says BY THE WAY THE DWARF GOAT'S BEARD CHANGE... THE LEAVES CHANGE TO A REDDISH COLOUR IN THE FALL SO IT'S QUITE DRAMATIC IN THE GARDEN.

Suzan says IT'S JUST, I THINK, THE SHIFT FROM... I'M TRYING TO BE POLITE HERE... RATHER COLOURFUL IMPATIENTS IN THE SHADE GARDEN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE TO THINGS THAT ARE MORE SUBTLE COMES WITH EXPERIENCE AND MATURITY IN THE GARDEN.

Maureen says YES.

Suzan says YEAH, SO ONCE YOU START TO NOTICED ARE THINGS LIKE RED VEINS IN THAT FERN.

Maureen says VARIEGATED LEAVES.

Suzan says AND DIFFERENT FOLIAGE SHAPES. THAT'S QUITE FERNY BUT IT'S IN THE A FERN THIS IS A GOR OF, IT ONLY GETS ABOUT A FOOT HIGH. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU START TO FOCUS. A LOT OF PLANTS HAVE RED AND BLACK STEMS AND YOU START TO SEE COLOUR DIFFERENTLY.

Maureen says OKAY. ALL RIGHT, LET'S TRY TO GET MARCI IN IN HAMILTON. HI MARCI.

The Caller says HI.

Maureen says HI, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION?

The Caller says I HAVE A ROSE OF SHARON, FOUR AND A HALF, FIVE YEARS OLD, IT'S ABOUT FIVE FEET TALL AND UNFORTUNATELY MY HUSBAND KNOCKED OFF SOME ICE OFF THE AWNING ONTO IT IN THE WINTERTIME IT FELL DOWN AND IT HASN'T BLOOMED AT ALL THIS YEAR BUT IT'S NOT DEAD YET.

Suzan says IT'S TOO EARLY!

The Caller says WELL THE OTHER ONE HAS, THOUGH. IT'S STARTED WITH THE GREEN LEAVES AND STUFF ALL RIGHT.

Suzan says WAIT A SEC, YOU SAID BLOOM.

The Caller says OKAY, SORRY.

Suzan says OKAY, WHOA!

Diane says SO ARE YOU SAYING IT ISN'T LEAVING-OUT YET.

The Caller says EXACTLY.

Suzan says BUT IT'S NOT DEAD.

The Caller says IT'S NOT DEAD.

Suzan says SO IT'S JUST SULKING.

Maureen says SO IT'S HAD A SHOCK.

The Caller says PRETTY MUCH.

Suzan says SO RELAX.

The Caller says OKAY.

Suzan says JUST WAIT. IF IT'S NOT DEAD... SOME OF THEM ARE VERY LATE AND IN FACT WE SORT OF HAVE A RULE OF THUMB. WAIT UNTIL JUNE 15th BEFORE... I'M VERY PATIENT. MORE PATIENT THAN MOST WHEN IT COMES TO THAT KIND OF THING ANYWAY.

The Caller says OKAY, THANK YOU.

Maureen says I HOPE IT'S FINE. THAT HAPPENED TO MY... I HAVE A LITTLE STRAWBERRY JAR WITH SOME HERBS IN IT AND I THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING SO MUCH RAIN I DIDN'T NEED TO WATER IT, BUT THE BASIL DOESN'T LOOK VERY HEALTHY. WILL IT COME BACK?

Suzan says PROBABLY NOT.

Diane says PROBABLY NOT.

Suzan says IT PROBABLY ROTTED.

Maureen says IT ROTTED?

Suzan says YES.

Maureen says YOU MEAN THE ROOT?

Suzan says YES.

Maureen says SINCE THE OTHERS ARE DOING FINE... A COUPLE OF MY CONTAINERS, ONE PLANT'S NOT DOING WELL, THE REST ARE DOING OKAY IS IT TOO LATE NOW TO BUY SOMETHING NEW AND STICK IT IN THERE IT.

Suzan says ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Maureen says SO OKAY I WON'T DISTURB THE OTHER PLANTS AND THEIR ROOTS.

Diane says NO.

Maureen says BECAUSE THEY'RE HARDY.

Suzan says YES, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SPOILING THEM HAVE YOU?

Maureen says WELL, I DON'T THINK SO. I'VE BEEN LEAVING THEM A LOT ALONE. DO YOU... WHEN WE HAVE A VERY WET SPRING LIKE THIS, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO WATCH FOR DOWN THE ROAD THAT MIGHT BE A RESULT OF THAT KIND OF SPRING?

Suzan says WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS... I REALLY SHOULD TALK ABOUT IS THE MOSQUITO THING. BECAUSE WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THAT OURSELVES, AND PEOPLE... IT'S ALL VERY WELL TO HAVE THIS RAIN AND WE SHOULD BE THANKFUL, REALLY WE SHOULD BE THANKFUL, BUT WHEN THERE ARE POOLS OF WATER LYING AROUND OR THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO, AND AS I'VE SAID BEFORE YOU CAN'T TAKE HEY DRIERS AND GO OUT AND BLOW DRY YOUR BUSHES BUT YOU CAN... I'VE GOT SOMEWHERE BEHIND ME A WATERING CAN BEHIND ME, AND I'M SURE EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WHAT THE SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU DON'T KEEP WATER IN YOUR WATERING CAN FOR MORE THAN A COUPLE OF DAYS BECAUSE STANDING WATER IS A WONDERFUL BREEDING GROUND FOR mosquitoes. BIRD BATHS, ANOTHER THING. IF YOU CAN CHANGE THE WATER EVERY COUPLE OF DAYS SO IT DOESN'T GIVE THEM A CHANCE BE OR IF THEY'VE GONE IN THERE, IT'S TOO LATE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO GET IN THERE AND BREED. IF YOU HAVE A "A TER BARREL WHAT WE SAY IS COVER THEM BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE DUMPING YOUR WATER BARREL. PUT SCREEN OVER THEM AND I USE RUBBER GARBAGE CANS FOR WATER BARRELS SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PUT A LID ON IT AND IT KEEPS THE GUYS OUTMENT THAT IS A BIT OF A CONCERN. MOSQUITOES ALWAYS IN OUR GARDEN. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET RID OF THEM. DIANE AND I USE AN INSECT REPELLENT LIKE OFF ALL THE TIME, LIKE DAILY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S CLOUDY AND THE CEDAR TREES SEEM TO COLLECT THEM. HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT?

Maureen says THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THIS YEAR SINCE THEY'RE EXPECTING WEST NILE VIRUS IN MOSQUITOES IN ONTARIO ANY DAY NOW.

Suzan says WE USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT HAS DEET IN IT.

Diane says AND YOU WANT TO HAVE FUN IN YOUR GARDEN. YOU WANT IT TO BE PLEASANT IS A FUN EXPERIENCE.

Suzan says AND THAT SEEMS TO WORK. THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS AROUND. BUT WE'VE TRIED AND NOW WE ARE... I GUESS WE'VE BEEN USING IT FOR TEN YEARS UP THERE.

Maureen says 30 SECONDS LEFT. YOUR FAVOURITE PERENNIAL. I'D LIKE THAT FROM EACH OF YOU.

Maureen says OH, ONE?!

Maureen says DIANE.

Diane says MINE IS A HOSTA.

Maureen says WHICH ONE?

Diane says IT WAS THE SPORT OF ANOTHER HOSTA AND I CALLED IT TIGER LILY AFTER MY 19-YEAR-OLD CAT WHO RECENTLY DIED.

Maureen says COOL.
YOURS?

Suzan says THIS GUY?

She picks up the larger fern.

Maureen says AND IT'S CALLED?

Suzan says ATHERIUM SONICUM PICTUM.

Maureen says IT WAS FUN, THANKS FOR COMING IN. SUZAN FAWCETT AND DIANE EVEREST, THE OWNERS OF SILK PURSE FARM PERENNIALS IN GRAI COUNTY. YOU CAN FIND ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION ON THEIR WEBSITE AT...

A slate reads "Silk Purse Farm Perennials, www.silkpursefarm.on.ca."

Maureen says AND HERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER USEFUL SITES, WWW.EAGLE.CA/GARDENS AND THE ONE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THROUGH THE SHOW BUGFREELIVING.COM. TOMORROW YOU CAN PEEL OFF THE GARDENING GLOVES AND DEAL WITH THE SKIN PROBLEMS UNDERNEATH. DERMATOLOGIST NOEL SOLISH JOINS ME TO POUR OVER YOUR ECZEMA, PSORIASIS AND ACNE AND WE'LL TALK SUN PROTECTION, TOO.
That's tomorrow on More to Life at 1 o'clock. I'm Maureen Taylor, thanks for watching.

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