Transcript: Imprint season 12 episode 26 | Mar 28, 2001

Tina Srebotnjak stands in a studio with pieces of art in red and orange hanging in the background.
She’s in her late thirties, with short chestnut hair and bangs. She’s wearing glasses and a pale gray blazer over a white turtleneck.

She says HELLO, I'M TINA
SREBOTNJAK.
WELCOME TO THE SEASON FINALE
OF “IMPRINT.”

A clip shows a smiling woman spinning an umbrella on a city sidewalk.

Tina continues TONIGHT FIRST NOVELIST
MICHELLE BERRY ENJOYS HER
MOMENT IN THE MEDIA
SPOTLIGHT.

Now a book appears briefly on screen. The cover features a picture of a white marble statue.

Tina continues THE STONE CARVERS JANE
URQUHART'S NEW NOVEL
DOCUMENTS THE BUILDING OF
THE MAGNIFICENT MONUMENT AT
VIMMY RIDGE AND THE PASSION
OF THE MAN WHO DESIGNED IT.

In an interview, a woman in her forties says AT THE SAME TIME
HONOURING THE 6 THIS
CANADIANS THAT WERE KILLED
IN THE WAR, MEANT THAT HE
REALLY BECAME PART OF IT HIMSELF.

Now a clip shows male hands opening a children’s pop-up book.

Tina says AND MEET A READER
WHOSE POP-UP BOOK COLLECTION
IS HIS PRIDE AND JOY.

In an interview with Gerald L’Ecuyer the man, in his sixties, says I DON'T GET THE CHANCE TO
SHOW THEM OFF.
AND ENJOY IT WHEN I DO.

Gerald giggles and says I FEEL VERY PRIVILEGED.

Theme music plays as the opening sequence rolls.
Fast clips show books and maps in hues of orange and red.

Back in the studio, Tina says SHE'S YOUNG,
TALENTED AND RIGHT NOW
TORONTO WRITER MICHELLE
BERRY IS VERY HOT.
BERRY HAD WRITTEN TWO
EARLIER BOOKS OF SHORT
STORIES, TO SOME PRAISE AND
VERY LITTLE FANFARE.
THEN PUBLISHING JUGGERNAUT
RANDOM HOUSE TOOK HER ON AND
PLACED THE WRITER FRONT AND
CENTRE IN THE MEDIA
SPOTLIGHT.
“IMPRINT” FOLLOWED MICHELLE
BERRY AS SHE LAUNCHED HAD
FIRST NOVEL WHAT WE ALL WANT.

Fast clips show preparations for a book-signing event. Several caterers walk by carrying platters of finger food. People greet Michelle excitedly.

Now a man in his thirties speaks.
A caption reads “Andrew Pyper. Writer.”
Andrew is clean-shaven and has short curly gray hair.

He says THE ONE THING THAT REALLY
IMPRESSES ME ABOUT MICHELLE
IS THAT SHE IS 32.
SHE IS THE MOTHER OF TWO
KIDS.
SHE HAS BRIN THREE BOOKS.
SHE IS ON THE BOARD OF --
CANADA SHE IS BEEN ONE OF
THE CO-EDITORS OF AN
ANTHOLOGY OF YOUNG WRITERS
COMING OUT THIS YEAR.
SHE IS DO BEING 150
DIFFERENT THINGS AT SUCH A
YOUNG AGE.
MY FEELING IS ONE OF SHEER
ENVY AT HER ENERGY.
I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW
SHE DOES IT.

The caption changes to "Ann Ireland. Writer."
Ann is in her late forties, with short wavy strawberry-blond hair.

She says I JUST FIND THAT HER
WRITING IS COMPLETELY FRESH
AND NEW.
I HAVEN'T READ IT BEFORE.
TO ME THAT IS SIGN OF GOOD
WRITING T IS NEW.

The caption changes to "Martha Kanya-Forstner. Editor, Doubleday."
Martha is in her late thirties, with long straight brown hair in a ponytail.

She says I THINK SHE IS PHENOMENAL.
SHE HAS THE MOST
BEAUTIFUL -- I THINK SHE
BRINGS ALL OF THAT SENSE OF
HERSELF TO HER WRITING.

The caption changes to "Stuart Baird. Michelle’s Husband."
Stuart is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with very short brown hair.

He says I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME
THAT SHE GOT A SHORT STORY
PUBLISHED IN A MAGAZINE WAS
I GUESS EIGHT YEARS AGO NOW.
AND I REMEMBER I WAS AT WORK
AND SHE CALLED ME AND
STARTED SCREAMING IN THE
PHONE.
AND THIS WAS A SHORT STORY
SHE GOT PUBLISHED, THEY PAID
HER 25 dollars.
WE WENT OUT FOR DINNER AND
CELEBRATED IT.
SPENT FAR MORE THAN SHE WAS
PAID FOR THIS PIECE BUT THAT
WAS THE FIRST AND THAN TO
THINK NOW OF HER SUCCESS IS
QUITE INCREDIBLE.

Now Michelle speaks in an interview.
A caption reads “Michelle Berry. What we all want.”
Michelle is in her thirties and has long wavy blond hair and bangs.

She says IN THE FIRST YEAR THAT I
STARTED WRITING, I PUBLISH
ABOUT 20 STORIES.
I WROTE A STORY A WEEK, AS
SOON AS IT CAME BACK I SENT
IT OUT AGAIN.
AND YOU KNOW, I NEVER EDITED
ANYTHING.
AND I WAS DETERMINED THAT I
WAS A GOOD WRITER AND
THEREFORE THESE PEOPLE WOULD
APPRECIATE IT EVENTUALLY AND
ACTUALLY SEVERAL MAGAZINES,
ONE MAGAZINE IN PARTICULAR
REFUSED A STORY, I DIDN'T DO
ANY OF THE EDITS THIS THEY
SUGGESTED I DO.
I SENT IT RIGHT BACK TO THEM
AND THEY ACCEPTED IT IN THE
NEXT ROUND.
THEY HAD A NEW EDITOR AT
THAT TIME BUT IT JUST SHOWS
HOW PARTICULAR PEOPLE ARE.

Now a man speaks.
A caption reads “Scott Sellers. Publicity director, Random House.”
Scott is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with sparse blond hair.

He says WELL, WHEN WE WERE
LOOKING AT THE RANDOM HOUSE
LIST IN THE WINTER WE SAW
THAT WE HAD A NUMBER OF
GREAT WRITERS ON THE WINTER
LIST WHO HAD ALREADY
RECEIVED A LOT OF CRITICAL
ACCLAIM.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE
INSTITUTED DISCOVER YOUR
NEXT FAVOURITE AUTHOR PROMOTION.
WHICH WAS A PROMOTION TO
MAXIMIZE THE EXPOSURE OF THE
AUTHOR'S BOOK IN BOOK SHOPS,
AND TO SUPPORT IT ABOUT A
MARKETING PLAN THAT WOULD
REALLY, REALLY TAKE THIS IT
THAT NEXT LEVEL.
IT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT
A LOT OF US GET INTO
PUBLISHING FOR AND A LOT --
THAT BOOKSELLERS GET INTO
BOOK SELL BEING IS TO REALLY
GET EXCITED ABOUT AN AUTHOR.
AND MICHELLE IS THE PERFECT
PERSON TO DO THAT WITH, WHEN
WE ACQUIRED WHAT WE ALL WANT,
IT WAS A BOOK AND SHE WAS AN
AUTHOR THAT A LOT OF
PUBLISHERS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY WANTED TO HAVE IN
THEIR HOUSE.
SO WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT
SHE WAS THE PERFECT PERSON
TO START THE PROGRAMME WITH.

Michelle says THAT IS A DIFFICULT THING
TO BE, A NEW AUTHOR RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE HAVING PUBLISHED
SOME OF AND BEEN DOING THIS
FULL-TIME FOR TEN YEARS, YOU
KNOW, I DON'T FEEL NEW.
BUT NOVELS, IT IS SOMETHING
ABOUT HOW THE WORLD TREATS
NOVELS AND SHORT STORIES, I
CAN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW
WHETHER I WOULD BE A THIRD
TIME WRITER AND BE TREATED
AS THE OLD WRITER OR THE
FIRST TIME NOVELIST.
AND I AM OF COURSE THE FIRST
TIME MOVIST AT RANDOM HOUSE.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN JUST
PUSHING THIS FIRST TIME KIND
OF THING.
AND IT IS A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT THING TO BE A
SHORT STORY WRITER THAN A
NOVELIST.

Now a woman in her thirties speaks.
A caption reads “Sarah Davies. Senior editor, Random House.”
Sarah has long straight brown hair.

She says WHEN I MET HER THE FIRST
TIME FIVE YEARS AGO I GUESS
IT WAS, WE WERE THINKING
ABOUT TAKING ON HER SHORT
STORIES.
SHE WAS THIS BRIGHT,UBBLEY
VIVACIOUS PERSONALITY BUT
WHEN YOU READ THE BOOK THERE
WERE ALL OF THESE REALLY
SORT OF NORMAL CHARACTERS
WITH A LOT OF STUFF RUMBLING
UNDERNEATH THAT PICK LATE --
PERK LATES TO THE SURFACE.
SHE WAS VERY ADEPT AT
SINGLING OUT THE SORT OF
NONNORMALCY.

Michelle says WELL, IT IS INTERESTING
AND MY STORIES, A LOT OF
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKED,
SAYING HOW DO YOU MANAGE
YOUR BALANCE YOUR CHARACTERS,
THEY ARE KRZY, QUIRKY BUT
THEY NEVER FALL OVER THE
EDGE.
AND I THINK THAT THIS IS THE
CONSTANT BALANCING ACT I'M
DOCK WITH EVERYTHING, WITH
WRITER, WITH LIFE W MY
CAREER AND TRYING BE A MUM
TO MY TWO KIDS.
IT IS REALLY DIFFICULT.
I GO CRAZY HALF THE TIME BUT
I HAVE WONDERFULLYFULLY
SUPPORTIVE PEOPLE.
AND THIS WOMAN SHAWNA HAS
BEEN A MOTHER TO MY CHILDREN,
ABSOLUTE LEIGH INCREDIBLE.

Michelle greets her husband and their little toddler on a cold winter day.

She says DID YOU HAVE A GOOD DAY
AT SHAWNAS.

The toddler looks apathetic.

Michelle says YOU DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD
DAY AT SHAWNAS, YEAH.

In her interview, she continues
MY HUSBAND, HE DOES EVERYTHING.
HE IS CONSTANTLY INVOLVED IN
EVERYTHING.
WITH THE CHILDREN AND WITH
THE HOUSE.
TIMES LIKE THIS WHEN THE
PUBLICITY IS BIG, YOU KNOW,
I NEED PEOPLE TO HELP ME
OUT.
A LOT OF PUBLICITY, RANDOM
HOUSE IS ABSOLUTELY
INCREDIBLE.
THEY'VE REALLY DONE FULL
FORWARD WITH THIS.
I HAVE GOTTEN NONSTOP FOR
THE NEXT TWO WEEKS SORT OF
EVERY DAY DOING PUBLICITY.
TO BE ABLE TO WHEN YOU ARE
COOPED UP FOR TWO YEARS
WRITING SOMETHING TO BE ABLE
TO ACTUALLY COME AND TALK
ABOUT IT WITH PEOPLE, AND
SEE IT OUT THERE, THAT IS A
GREAT PART.
THE BAD PART IS IT IS
DRAINING, IT IS VERY
DRAINING BUT LUCKILY THE
GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS IT
IS ONLY -- IT IS SHORT-LIVED
AND IT IS WONDERFUL WHILE IT
IS HAPPENING AND I'M LUCKY
TO HAVE IT HAPPENING.

Now Michelle is shown signing papers with Scott at an office.

He says WE HAVE TO GO GET YOUR
PHOTO TAKEN.
LET'S GO.

They leave.
Music plays.
Fast clips show an outdoor photo shoot in which Michelle poses with an umbrella.
Then, additional fast clips show her and Scott attending different meetings and interviews.

Michelle narrates YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE IN
YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT IT IS
ACTUALLY YOU THAT IS DOING IT.
IT HAS ALL BEEN LEADING TO
THIS ONE MOMENT THAT I'M
HOPING THIS ISN'T THE LAST
TIME.

At an event, a woman in her early thirties says
THANK YOU FOR A novel
THAT MAKES YOU PREVIOUS IN
REDEMPTION AN SALVATION, FOR
YOUR PROFESSIONALISM AND
YOUR CRAFTMANSHIP,
CONGRATULATIONS.

A small crowd claps and cheers as Michelle greets the woman.

Back in the studio, Tina says WHAT WE ALL WANT BY
MICHELLE BERRY IS PUBLISHED
BY RANDOM HOUSE CANADA.

Now an animated book sitting on a beach reveals a clip in which a man shows pop-up books, followed by a picture of the cover of a book with a statue on it.

Tina says COMING UP A GUY WHOSE
POP-UP BOOK COLLECTION KEEPS
HIM YOUNG AT HEART.
AND NEXT JANE URQUHART'S NEW
NOVEL “THE STONE CARVERS.”
AND NOW ONE OF THE MOST
EAGERLY ANTICIPATED BOOKS OF
THE SPRING SEASON JANE
URQUHART'S NEW NOVEL THE
STONE CARVERS.
THE BOOK TELLS TWO STORIES
OF MAGNIFICENT OBSESSION.
ONE IS THE BUILDING OF THE
CANADIAN WAR MEMORIAL AT
VIMY RIDGE, THE OTHER IS THE
STONE BY STONE CONSTRUCTION
OF A CHURCH IN THE ONTARIO
BACK WOODS.
HOW THESE TWO STORIES MEET
IS THE SUBJECT OF THE STONE
CARVERS.
HERE IS MY CONVERSATION WITH
JANE URQUHART.

A clip shows Tina interviewing Jane. Jane is in her late forties, with short curly chestnut hair.

Tina says THIS BOOK TELLS THE
STORY OF THE BUILDING OF THE
MONUMENT AT VIMY RIDGE, WHAT
MADE YOU INTERESTED IN THAT
STORY.

Pictures of the monument flash by as Jane speaks. The monument consists of two massive pylons on a white platform, with several sculpted figures including one that stands out, of a woman draped in a cloak.

Jane says I HAD VISITED THE
MONUMENT SEVERAL TIMES.
I THINK THE FIRST TIME WAS
ABOUT 1974.
AND I HAD BEEN INTRIGUED BY
IT, INTRIGUED PARTLY BY THE
FACT THAT IT SITS THERE
LOOKING SO FABULOUS AND
SITED SO ASTOUNDINGLY WELL
RIGHT ON THE BATTLEFIELD OF
THE FAMOUS BATTLE VIMY
RIDGE.
BUT I THINK I WAS KIND OF
INTRIGUED BY THE FACT THAT
WHILE CANADIAN, SOME
CANADIANS KNOW ABOUT THE
MONUMENT, KNOW ABOUT THE
BATTLE AND BATTLE 2350E8D,
FEW CANADIANS KNOW ABOUT THE
ARTIST WHO DESIGNED AND
CAUSED THIS MONUMENT TO BE
BUILT.
AN I THOUGHT THERE IS
SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT
PICTURE SO I STARTED REALLY
TAKING A LOOK AT WALTER --
THE SCULPTOR AND ARCHITECT
WHO DESIGNED THE MONUMENT.

A black and white picture of Walter in his forties flashes by.

Jane continues HE BECAME FASCINATING
FIGURES AS FAR AS I WAS
CONCERNED.
I HAD TO PARTLY CONSTRUCT
HIM IN MY IMAGINATION
BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY SO
MUCH INFORMATION AVAILABLE
BUT THE INFORMATION THAT WAS
AVAILABLE WAS FASCINATING.

Tina says OH AND IT COMES THROUGH
IN THE BOOK.
HE IS A MAN OBVIOUSLY DRIVEN
BY THIS PASSION TO BUILD A
MONUMENT AND IT TAKES ON
ALMOST A LIFE OF ITS OWN.
IT TAKES YEARS TO BUILD,
MORE THAN A DECADE BECAUSE
THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT IS
ALWAYS BEHIND BUT HE WHAT --
WHY IS THERE THIS PASSION
FOR WHAT HE IS DOING, DO YOU
THINK.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Jane Urquhart. The stone carvers."

Jane says WELL, I THINK THAT LIKELY
HE WAS A PERFECTIONIST OF
ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.
AND I THINK ADDED TO THE
TREMENDOUS CATASTROPHIC
TRAGEDY THAT THE FIRST WORLD
WAR BROUGHT NOT ONLY TO
CANADA BUT TO MANY OTHER
PLACES IN THE COMMONWEALTH,
WANTING TO MAKE THE PERFECT
WORK OF ART ON THE ONE HAND,
WANTING IT TO MEAN SOMETHING
IN TERMS OF WORLD PEACE
WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
HONOURING THE 66,000
CANADIANS THAT WERE KILLED
IN THE WAR, MEANT THAT HE
REALLY BECAME QUITE OBSESSED.
SO AND HIS OBSESSION BEGAN,
FOR INSTANCE WITH HAVING TO
FIND THE PERFECT STONES.
AND AT THE TIME THAT I WAS
READING HIS CORRESPONDENT
ABOUT TRYING TO FIND THE
PERFECT STONES HE WAS
DRIVING NOT JUST THE
CANADIAN GOVERNMENT CRAZY,
HE DROVE THE FRENCH
GOVERNMENT CRAZY AND THE
BRITISH GOVERNMENT CRAZY AND
THE YUGOSLAVIAN GOVERNMENT
CRAZY BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE
EVENTUALLY FOUND THE PERFECT
STONE.
AT THE SAME TIME AS I WAS
READING THAT MATERIAL I HAD
COME ACROSS AN ASTOUNDING
CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS,
BASICALLY,, NOT QUITE THE
WILDERNESS NOW THAT THAN,
BUT WAS BUILT BY ANOTHER MAN
WHO WAS OBSESSED BY DOING
SOMETHING IMPOSSIBLE.
AND SOMEHOW I WANTED TO MAKE
THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE
TWO OBSESSIONS.

Tina says AND THERE IS A
WONDERFUL CONNECTION IN THIS
BOOK BECAUSE THE FIRST HALF
OF THE BOOK REALLY IS ABOUT
LIFE IN THE ONTARIO BACK WADS
I GUESS AND IT IS
MAGNIFICENT STONE CHURCH
THAT GETS BUILT THERE, AGAIN
AGAINST ALL ODDS.
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT
YOU COULD BUILD SUCH A
MONUMENT AND WHAT
BACKBREAKING WORK IT WAS,
THE SKRIPING OF WHAT IT WAS LIKE.

Jane says YES.
ALSO INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH,
DONE BY GERMAN CANADIANS.
THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT
INTRIGUED ME ABOUT THE
MONUMENT AT VIMY WAS THAT IT
REALLY WAS A KIND OF
MULTICULTURAL EXPERIENCE.
I THINK CANADA WAS MUCH MORE
MULTICULTURAL AT THAT TIME
THAN WE WERE ADMITTING TO
OURSELVES.
SO AND AMONG THOSE VARIOUS
BACKGROUNDS OF COURSE WERE
MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE GERMAN.

Tina says THE STONE CHURCH
THAT GETS BUILT IN A SMALL
TOWN IN ONTARIO IS THE DREAM
OF A PRIEST WHO HAS COME
OVER FROM GERMANY.
AND I LOVE THE IMAGE, THE
WHOLE IMAGE OF THE CHURCH
BEING BUILT BECAUSE THEY
BUILT IT AROUND A LOG CHURCH
THEY WILL BEEN USING UP
UNTIL THEN.
AFTER THEY BUILT THE STONE
ED I FACE THEY DISMANTLED
THE LOGS AND CARRIES THEM
OUT THROUGH THE DOOR.

Jane says AND THAT IS TRUE.
THE VILLAGE IN QUESTION IS
NOT THE VILLAGE AS IT IS
CALLED IN MY BOOK.
IT IS ANOTHER VILLAGE IN
TARRIO.
BUT YOU KNOW SOME THE MOST
FASCINATING MATERIAL ON
LIBRARY SHELVES IS OFTEN
IGNORED AND THOSE ARE THE
LITTLE LOCAL HISTORIES OF
SMALL TOWNS IN ONTARIO AND
ALL THE WAY ACROSS CANADA.
AND IN FACT OF ONE OF THOSE
LITTLE BOOKS I DISCOVERED
THAT PEOPLE HAD IN FACT DONE
THAT BECAUSE THEY HAD TO
HAVE SOMEPLACE TO SHELTER
AND SOMEPLACE TO WORSHIP
WHILE THIS OTHER BUILDING
WAS BUILDING BUILT.
I REMEMBER THINKING ISN'T
THAT ASTOUNDING TO TAKE THE
LOGS OUT ONE BY ONE.

Tina says YOU HAVE A LOVELY LINE
ABOUT IT SAYING THE PRIEST
IS WATCHING, SAYING IT WAS
LIKE WATCHING TIME ITSELF
BEING CARRIED IN THE ARMS OF
YOUTH.
WHAT A LOVELY LINE, WHAT DID
YOU MEAN BY THAT.

Black and white pictures of soldiers in a battlefield flash by as Jane speaks.

Jane says WELL, I WAS OF COURSE
WHEN I WROTE THAT LINE I WAS
THINKING THAT THIS
PARTICULAR GENERATION OF
YOUNG MEN WERE ABLE TO
ENGAGE IN SOMETHING LIKE
THAT, SOMETHING THAT
BEAUTIFUL IN A SENSE.
THEY NOT ONLY WERE TAKING
THE PAST THE DOOR TO THE
FUTURE BY TAKING THE LOG
CHUMP OUT THE DOORS OF THE
STONE CHURCH BUT THAT THEY
WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IN A
WAY THAT A SUBSEQUENT
GENERATION WAS NOT GOING TO
BE ABLE TO BECAUSE THERE
WERE GOING TO BE IN THE MUD
OF PHILANDERERS INSTEAD.
AND I ALSO THOUGHT VERY MUCH
WHEN I WAS WRITING ABOUT
BOOK ABOUT HOW MANY OF THE
EUROPEAN, THE GROUPS OF YEAR
MEANS WHO CAME IN THE 19th
CENTURY WERE FLEEING
WAR-TORN HOLY LANDS OR WHO
HAD SEEN WARRIORS COME
ACROSS THEIR TERRITORY OVER
AND OVER AGAIN AND HOW
IRONIC IT WAS THAT THEY WERE
THEN AFTER ALL OF THAT
BACKBREAKING LABOUR GOING TO
HAVE TO SEND THEIR CHILDREN
AND GRANDCHILDREN BACK TO
THE KILLING FIELDS,
BASICALLY.

Tina says YEAH, YEAH.
I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT
THE CHARACTERS IN THE BOOK.
THE MAIN CHARACTER, CLARA IS
A WOMAN WHO AS YOU SAY A
SPINSTER WHICH SHE CALLS
HERSELF, I THINK A SENSE OF
IRONY ABOUT IT AS WELL ABOUT
SHE IS A WOMAN WHO HAS LIVED
A LIFE OF REGRET REALLY.
HER TRUE LOVE WAS KILLED IN
THE WAR AND SHE SPENDS
DECADES AFTERWARDS SORT OF
REGRETTING WHAT SHE SAID TO
HIM BEFORE SHE WENT OFF.
SHE LIVES A PASSIVE LIFE AND
ALL OF A SUDDEN BOOM SHE
BECOMES ENERGIZED AND
DECIDES SHE HAS TO DASH OFF
TO FRANCE TO WORK ON THE
MONUMENT AT VIMY.
HOW COME, WHAT HAPPENED,
WHERE DOES THIS PASSION COME FROM.

Jane says I THINK REALLY WHAT
HAPPENED WHEN I WAS WRITING
THE NARRATIVE OF THE BOOK
WAS THAT THERE WAS -- THERE
WERE AS THERE OFTEN IS IN
THE HUMAN PERSONALITIES,
THERE WAS A MASCULINE AND
FEMININE SIDE TO THE BOOK.
NOW AS IT TURNS OUT THE
MASCULINE SIDE WAS -- SHOWED
ITSELF IN THE CHARACTER OF
THE BROTHER TILLMAN.

Tina says WHO CAN'T STAND TO
BE CONFINED IN ANY WAY.

Jane says AT ALL AND THE FEM NIN
SIDE MANIFESTED IN CLAUDE.
AND I THINK THAT HER BROTHER,
I VIEW THE MASCULINE PERHAPS
NOR FORWARD MOVING, OF THE
PERSONALITY OF THE BOOK
DISAPPEARS EARLY ON AND
BECAUSE HE IS AFFLICTED BY
WANDER LUST AS A CHILD AND
CANNOT STAY IN 1 PLACE.
AND SO RUNS AWAY AND EVENT
LYULLY RUNS AWAY ALL
TOGETHER.
AND WHAT I BELIEVE ENERGIZED
CLARA WAS HIS RETURN WHICH
HAPPENED AFTER THE WAR.
AND IN FACT IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE DEPRESSION.
AND WHEN HE CAME BACK IT WAS
ALMOST AS IF SUDDENLY THERE
WERE -- THE ENERGY RETURNED
WITH HIM.
AND SHE WAS ABLE THEN TO
CONCEIVE OF THE NOTION OF
ACTUALLY PARTICIPATING IN
THE BUILDING OF THIS
INCREDIBLE MONUMENT.
AND HE ALSO BRINGS THE NEWS
OF THE MONUMENT.

Tina says SO THEY GO OVER
THERE AND EVENT LYUL BOTH
GET A SHOT AT NEW LIFE THERE
BECAUSE HE ALSO DISCOVERS
DISCOVERS A LOVER BUT ALSO
DISCOVERED GOURMET FRENCH
COOKING WHICH WOULD BE
ENOUGH I THINK TO KEEP
ANYBODY IN PLACE.
ONE THING THAT TIES HIM DOWN.

Jane says YES, THIS WAS REALLY
QUITE A LOT OF FUN.
WHEN I'M WRITING THE FIRST
DRAFT OF A BOOK I HAVE NO
IDEA WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN
TO THESE CHARACTERS.
ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN TO THEM.
IN CASE OF TILLMAN, JUST A
FEW SURPRISING THINGS DID
HAPPEN TO HIM.
AND SOS THAT THE WONDERFUL
PART OF THE BOOK.

Tina says DO YOU THINK THAT
WE ARE NEVER TOO OL FOR NEW
BEGINNINGS, WE WOULD LIKE TO
THINK THAT.

Jane says ABSOLUTELY.

Tina says DO YOU THINK IT IS
ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

Jane says I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY
TRUE, YES.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I LIKE
TO THINK OF MY MOTHER WHO IS
ALMOST 90 YEARS OLD, AND
JUST TWO WEEKS AGO SHE WENT
OUT AND BOUGHT A NEW CAR.
GOT A GREAT DEAL ON THE OLD
ONE TOO.
SO I DON'T THINK WE ARE EVER
TOO OLD.

Tina says I LOVE THAT, WHAT
AN OPTIMISTIC THING TO DO,
GO OUT AND BUY A NEW CAR AT 90.
I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION
ABOUT WRITING, THE CAMP
EVER -- CARVER'S GRANDFATHER
says HE IS TEACHING HER HOW
TO CARVE, YOU HAVE TO KNOW
ABOUT YOUR CHARACTERS, WHAT
THEY HAD FOR DINNER, WHERE
THEY HAVE BEEN, WHAT THEIR
THOUGHTS ARE, THAT IS WHAT
MAKES YOU A GOOD ARTIST.
IS THAT WHAT MAKES YOU A
GOOD WRITER.

Jane says I THINK SO.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT
HAPPENED WHEN YOU ARE
WRITING THE FIRST DRAFT OF A
BOOK, YOU ARE GETTING TO
KNOW YOUR CHARACTERS.
AND YES, I HADN'T IN FACT
THOUGHT OF THAT WHEN
GRANDFATHER SAYS THIS TO
CLARA WHEN THE MASTER
SCULPTOR SAYS IT TO HIS
GRANDDAUGHTER BUT IT IS VERY
TRUE IT IS NOT ONLY TRUE OF
CARVING A SCULPTOR BUT OF
CREATING CHARACTERS.

Tina says AND A LAST LITERARY
QUESTION WHICH IS ABOUT
PRIZES, YOU HAVE WON THE
GOVERNOR-GENERAL AWARD AND
YOU WERE ON THE GILLER JURY
JUST RECENTLY.

Jane says IT WAS A JOURNEY TOO.

Tina says I BET IT WAS, TO WHERE.
BUT YOU KNOW THAT EVERYWHERE
WHEN THE LISTS CAN PEOPLE
GRIPE ABOUT THE LIST WHO IS
ON THE LIST WHO ISN'T, DO WE
HAVE TOO MANY LITERARY PRIES
ALL TOGETHER.
PEOPLE GET IN A HUGE FLAP
OVER THIS, WHAT IS YOUR FEELING.

Jane says MY FEELING IS THAT AS
AUTHORS, WE HOPEFULLY WILL
BE ABLE TO TRANSCEND
WHATEVER HAPPENS IN TERMS OF
LISTS AND PRIZES AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS CANADIAN
LITERATURE GOES, I THINK IT
IS MIRACULOUS HOW MANY
PRIZES WE HAVE NOW.
THAT IS JUST WONDERFUL
BECAUSE I GREW UP IN A
COUNTRY THAT REALLY WAS
QUITE INDIFFERENT ABOUT ITS
LITERATURE.
AND NOW I THINK IT'S GREAT
THAT PEOPLE COMPLAIN AND
CARRY ON AND GRIB ABOUT WHO
SHOULD BE ON AND WHO
SHOULDN'T BE ON.
BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW THAT THE
PUBLIC REALLY CARES.
AND IT IS SO EXCITING.
IT HAS BEEN A PRIVILEGE
ACTUALLY TO BE INVOLVED IN
THIS PERIOD OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF CANADIAN
LITERATURE BECAUSE IT HAS
JUST TAKEN OFF AND I THINK
THE PRIZES ARE A
MANIFESTATION OF THAT.
IT IS FABULOUS.
IT MAKES WRITERS FEEL AS IF
THEY ARE VALUED IN WAYS THAT
I DON'T THINK WRITERS WOULD
HAVE FELT IN 1954.

Tina says WELL, ARE YOU VALUED.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL BOOK.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Jane says THANK YOU, IT'S BEEN GREAT.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Tina says THE STONE CARVERS
BY JANE URQUHART IS
PUBLISHED BY McCLELL AND AND
STEWART IT WILL HIT BOOK
STORES WORLDWIDE NEXT MONTH.
NOW THE LAST IN A SERIES
ABOUT BOOK COLLECTORS GERALD
L'ECUYER MEANT MET
ENTHUSIASTIC CHECKERS.
A GUY HE MEETS A MAN WITH A
MARVELOUS POP-UP COLLECTION
OF BOOKS FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES.

Music plays.
A clip shows male hands opening several different pop-up books including moving skeletons, a truck, a monster, and a bear.
Then, Gerald L’Ecuyer sits on a couch next to a man in his late sixties.
Gerald is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short blond hair.

He says OKAY, TOM, OF ALL THE
BOOK COLLECTIONS THAT WE
HAVE EXPLORED THIS IS BY FAR
MY FAVOURITE.
YOU COLLECT POP-UP BOOKS,
YOU ALSO COLLECT CHILDREN'S
BOOKS BUT YOU COLLECT POP-UP
AND 3-D POP-UP BOOKS AND
THEY GO BACK, I MEAN LOOK AT
THIS ONE, THIS IS AN EARLY
EXAMPLE OF HOW THE WHOLE
GENRE OF POP-UP GOOKS --
BOOKS STARTED IS THAT RIGHT.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Tom Ransom. Book Collector."
Tom is clean-shaven, with gelled salt and pepper hair.

He picks up a book and says THIS IS ONE OF THE BOOKS
ABOUT 1895, HE WAS AN
ORIGINATOR OF A NUMBER OF MOTIONS.

Gerald says MOTION BOOKS, IT STARTS
WITH MOTION, DOESN'T IT AND
BUILDS FROM THERE.

Tom says SO THIS IS REALLY A
TWO-DIMENSIONAL BOOK.
AND IT IS A TRANSFORMATION
PICTURE, IT SAYS BOW WOW!

He shows Gerald the rudimentary mechanism.

Gerald says AND BECOMES SOMETHING ELSE.
NOW 20 YEARS AGO YOU DIDN'T
THINK WOULD YOU BEGIN A
COLLECTION BUT YOU STUMBLED
UPON A BOOK OF ALICE IN
WONDERLAND, I GUESS IS IT
THIS -- THIS IS IT.

Gerald picks up the book.

Tom says THAT IS THE COPY.

Gerald says WHAT DID THAT DO FOR YOU.
TAKE US THROUGH LIKE
DISCOVERING THIS BOOK AND
WHAT IT DID FOR YOU.

Tom says WELL, THE POP-UP BOOKS I
HAD SEEN PRIOR TO THIS WERE
PRETTY MODEST, DULL COLOURS,
NOT VERY IMAGINATIVE.
BUT THIS ONE, IN 1980 OF
ALICE BY McMILLAN LONDON,
ALICE FALLING DOWN THE HOLE
AND SHRINKING WHEN SHE
TAKES THE PILL.
HAD SUCH INGENUITY THAT I
GOT INTERESTED IN THE GENRE.
AND MY FAVOURITE IS THE
FINALE BECAUSE I LIKE CARDS.

He opens the final page, where several cards pop up and a few dangle around.

Gerald says LOOK AT THOSE CARDS.
NOW SOME OF THESE BOOKS BY
THE WAY ARE BLANK ON THE BACK.
THIS ONE IS JUST AS
ATTRACTIVE ON BOTH SIDES.
NOW THIS ONE IS ABSOLUTELY
BLEW MY MIND.
THIS IS CALLED THE POP-UP
BOOK OF PHOBIAS WHICH I
DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD HAVE
EVEN THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS
A NEED FOR A PHOBIA POP-UP
BOOK BUT THEN THEY THINK
WELL CAN THEY PULL THIS OFF
THIS IS GOING TO THE DENTIST.

He opens the book and a dentist pops up with a drill and a menacing look.

Gerald continues AND THEN WE HAVE THE DENTIST
AND THE DRILL JUST IN THE
FIRST PAGE.
WHY DON'T YOU OPEN THE NEXT
PAGE AND TALK ABOUT THE
ACTION WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT
THE POETRY OF THE ACTUAL
OPENING OF THE BOOK.

Tom says WELL, IT IS KINETIC ART,
IT IS LIKE A MOBILE IN A WAY
OR PERFORMANCE ART.
IT IS FUN IS IN THE
UNFOLDING.
ONCE YOU STOP IT IS STATIC,
YOU CAN READ THE TEXT AND
APPRECIATE THE ART WITH
ABOUT IT IS THE SURPRISE.
SO.

Gerald says SHE SHO US ONE YOU
ABSOLUTELY LOVE.

Tom says I LIKE THIS ONE BECAUSE
IT IS SMALLEST POP-UP I HAVE
EVER SEEN.

He picks up a little book the size of a golf ball and opens it to reveal moving golf balls.

He continues AND THERE IS ACTION, THE
GOLF BALL COMES TOWARD YOU
AS THE PAGE OPENS.
THE GOLF BALL GOES IN THE
HOLE.
AND SO ON.
I LIKE IT BECAUSE IT IS
EXTREME.
AND I LIKE THIS ONE BECAUSE
IT IS EXTREME.

Gerald says OKAY.

Tom opens a large book and says THIS IS THE BIGGEST
POP-UP BOOK EVER.
THIS IS SO BIG THAT YOU HAVE
TO WALK AROUND IT.
LIKE THIS IS PAGE 1 AND PAGE
TWO.
AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE END...

He flips the page and a continuation of the city on page one pops up.

Gerald says OH MY GOD.

Tom says THEN YOU WALK AROUND PAGE
SIX, PAGE SEVEN, PAGE EIGHT
BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER
SCENES ON THE OTHER SIDE.

Gerald says SO THIS POP-UP BOOK IS A
ABOUT magic.

Tom picks up another book and says
NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
YOU CAN REMOVE YOUR HAT AND
THE HAT POPS UP.

He takes out a flat hat and it instantly turns into a three-dimensional paper top hat.

He continues AND IF YOUR HEAD IS THE SIZE
OF A BASEBALL, YOU COULD WEAR IT.

Gerald says I THINK THAT IS WORKING.
AND OUT OF THE HAT YOU HAVE
YOUR MAGICIANS DOVE.

He pulls out a paper dove.

Gerald says THAT IS AMAZING.

Tom says I DON'T SEE MY POP-UP
COLLECTION AS WORLD-CLASS OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT IS JUST A DIVERSION.
YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND POP-UP BOOKS.

Gerald says I'M GLAD IT IS NOT WORLD
CLASS AS WELL.
BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE
HUNG ON TO A LOT OF
INTENSIVE WONDER AND K45R78
AND HUMAN IL BIT IT.
IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS
BEHIND LOCKUP IN VAULTS AND
PRECIOUS AND WORTH
THOUSANDS.
THESE ARE THINGS YOU REFER
TO AND USE ALL THE TIME AND
ENJOY.

Tom says WELL, I SELDOM GET THE
CHANCE TO SHOW THEM OFF AND
I ENJOY IT WHEN I DO.

Gerald says I FEEL VERY PRIVILEGED.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Tina says AND WE FEEL VERY
PRIVILEGED TO HAVE HAD YOU
BATCHING OUR SHOW AS IT ENED
ITS 12th SEASON HERE ON TV
ONTARIO.
WE HOPE YOU HAVE ENJOYED ALL
THE BOOKS AND AUTHORS WE
HAVE BROUGHT YOU.
IF YOU MISSED ANY OF THE
SHOWS “IMPRINT” WILL BE BACK
IN RERUNS ALL SPRING AND
SUMMER AT OUR USUAL NAME
TIME.
WE WILL BE BACK WITH
ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING IN
SEPTEMBER.
SEE YOU THEN.

Theme music plays as the end credits roll.

Imprint. C/O TVOntario. P.O. Box 200. Station Q, Toronto, Ontario. M4T 2T1.

Fax: 416-484-2780.

E-mail: imprint@tvo.org.

Website: www.tvo.org/imprint

Host, Tina Srebotnjak.

Contributing Editors, Gerald L’Ecuyer, Antanas Sileika.

Director, Susan Beavan.

Music, Joe Sealy.

A production of TVOntario. Copyright 2001, The Ontario Educational Communications Authority.

Watch: Imprint season 12 episode 26