Transcript: Imprint season 12 episode 15 | Jan 10, 2001

Tina Srebotnjak stands in a studio with pieces of art in red and orange hanging in the background.
She’s in her late thirties, with short chestnut hair and bangs. She’s wearing glasses, a long blue blazer and a white top.

She says I'M TINA SREBOTNJAK.
TONIGHT ON "IMPRINT,"
CANADA'S MASTER OF TRUE
CRIME.

A clip shows three people talking in an office.

Some books by Max Haines appear on screen, such as "The collected works of Max Heines" and "Murder most foul."

Tina says THE UNASSUMING MAX
HAINES.
AND HIS FIRSTHAND REPORTS OF
THE WORLD'S MOST SHOCKING
MURDERS.

A clip shows Max Heines speaking. Max is in his fifties, clean-shaven and with short wavy black hair. He wears a plaid shirt and a black V neck sweater.

He says ONE DAUGHTER CALLS FROM
UPSTAIRS, DAD, YOUR FRIEND
THE MURDERER IS ON THE
PHONE.
IF WE ARE HAVING COMPANY FOR
TEA, IT ALWAYS WOKE THEM UP
A BIT.

Michele Roberts appears on screen. She’s in her late fifties, with short curly graying hair.

A picture of the book "The looking glass" by Michele Roberts appears. A dress hanging from a laundry line illustrates the cover.

Tina says AND MEET BRITISH
WRITER MICHEL ROBERTS, HERE
IS HOW SHE SUMS UP HER BOOK.

Now a clip plays of Tina interviewing Michele.

Michele says THAT IS WHAT I SAY, THEY
SAY WHAT DO YOU WRITE ABOUT.

Tina says SO ALL YOUR BOOKS HAVE
THE SAME NAME.

Michele says THEY COULD.

Tina says FOOD, SEX AND GOD
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE.

At a public event, an announcer says AND PLEASE WELCOME
KENNETH OPPEL.

Tina says AND KEN OPPEL'S
ROAD TO LITERARY SUCCESS
FROM CHILDREN'S WRITER TO
THRILLER WRITER.

Kenneth Oppel is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven and with short wavy brown hair.

A picture of his book "The devil’s cure" appears.

Theme music plays as the opening sequence rolls.
Fast clips show books and maps in hues of orange and red.

Back in the studio, Tina says NOBODY DOES MURDER
BETTER THAN MAX HAINES.
OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS HE'S
RESEARCHED MORE THAN 2000
BRUTAL KILLS.
HIS POPULAR CRIME SLASHBACK
COLUMN APPEARS IN 40
NEWSPAPERS ACROSS CANADA AND
HE HAS PUBLISHED TWO DOZEN
BOOKS ABOUT REAL LIFE
CRIMES.
WHAT A RELIEF THAN TO FIND
OUT THAT THE AUTHOR OF
"MURDER MOST FOUL" AND
MULTIPLE MURDERS 2 IS ABOUT
AS MILD MANNERED AS YOU CAN
GET.

She shows both books.

Max rides a car and says
THE CHILDREN WERE RUNNING
AROUND, SHOOTING EACH OTHER
PRETENDING THEY WERE A LONE
RANGER OR SUPERMANS WITH A
LOOKING AT THE LINDBERG BABY
KIDNAPPING AND STUDYING AND
WAS INTRIGUED BY IT.
SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT
EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE
INVESTIGATING THESE DAYS
OCCURRED IN THE BIBLE.
CAN BE FOUND IN THE BIN EL.
AND THAT IS TRUE BUT THE
METHODS THAT PEOPLE USE TO
KILL EACH OTHER WE NOW HAVE
GONE INSTEAD OF ROCKS WE NOW
HAVE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS AND
VARIOUS POISONS, SOME OF
WHICH ARE DIFFICULT TO
DETECT.
SO THE METHODS OF KILLING
HAVE INTRIGUED ME OVER THE
YEARS.
AND I HAVE NEVER CEASED TO
BE AMAZED AT THE INNOVATIVE
WAYS PEOPLE DECIDE TO DO
WITH EACH OTHER.
I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR
OTHER A -- OVER A QUARTER OF
A CENTURY AND IT IS
SURPRISING HOW MANY PEOPLE
KNOW ABOUT STRANGE AND
UNUSUAL CRIMES AND ARE
WILLING TO SHARE THAT WITH
ME AND CALL ME, EVEN
PRISONERS WILL CALL ME FROM
PRISON AND SAY THINGS LIKE I
JUST READ YOUR LAST SUDDEN'S
STORY.
AND MY STORY IS EVERY BIT AS
INTERESTING.
WHY DON'T YOU COME DOWN HERE
AND INTERVIEW ME.
AND OF COURSE I DO.
I DO VISIT MANY PRISONS OVER
THE YEARS.

A caption reads "Max Haines. True Crime Writer."

He visits a man in his sixties at his office.

Max says NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

The man says NICE SEEING, YOU MAX.
YOU ARE STILL OUT FOR THE
BAD GUYS.

Max says YES, EVERY DAY.
THE ONE TO TRY AND PICK
YOUR BRAINS ABOUT, HE SAID
OH, BABY FACE, A THREE MONTH
OLD KID WAS KILLED BY A
MOTHER.
WHAT WAS HER NAME, KIMBERLIE
ANN BOSALAY.
AT SOME POINT THERE MUST
HAVE BEEN STRONG SUSPICIONS
TOWARD THE MOTHER.

The man says AT TRIAL THEY ENDED UP
MAKING A FLEE OF GUILTY TO A
SAUMENT SOUGHT WITH BODILY
HARM.

Max says WHAT DID SHE GET.

The man says TWO YEARS LESS A DAY.

A newspaper article on the case appears on screen.

Max says PEOPLE KEEP SAYING TO ME,
YOU KNOW, DO YOU INVESTIGATE
ANOTHER MURDER.
I KEEP TELLING THEM I DON'T
DO ANY INVESTIGATING.
THE INSPECTORS DO THE
INVESTIGATING.
I JUST WRITE ABOUT THEM
AFTERWARDS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR SEEING ME.
APPRECIATE IT.

The man says THANK YOU MAX.

Back in his car, YOU THINK YOU'VE SEEN IT ALL,
YOU KNOW, UNTIL YOU HEAR OF
SOMEONE ABUSING A
THREE-MONTH OLD CHILD.
WHEN I GO INTO MY HOUSE I
HAVE THREE GIRLS, THEY ARE
ALL YOUNG ADULTS NOW.
AND MY WIFE, I GO HOME TO MY
FAMILY.
AND THIS IS MAYBE LIKE THE
DOCTOR WHO PERFORMS SURGERY.
HE DOESN'T TAKE IT HOME WITH
HIM.
STRANGE THINGS USED TO
HAPPEN AROUND THE HOUSE.
LIVING BESIDE PEOPLE IN THE
TOOTHPASTE BUSINESS WHO
BECAME WELL-KNOWN AS THE
MURDER GUY.
AND THE PEOPLE WOULD CALL
THE HOUSE.
THEY WOULD JUST CALL ME.
AND OCCASIONALLY OR
PARTICULARLY ONE DAUGHTER
WOULD CALL UP FROM DOWNSTAIRS
TO UPSTAIRS DAD, YOUR FRIEND
THE MURDERER IS ON THE
PHONE.
IF WE WERE HAVING COMPANY
FOR TEA OR SOMETHING THAT
AFTERNOON, IT ALWAYS BROKE
THEM UP A BIT.

The caption changes to "Marilyn Haines. Max’s wife."

Marilyn is in her mid-fifties, with short wavy brown hair with bangs.

She says I THINK OUR KIDS ALWAYS
TOOK IT AS JUST SOMETHING
THAT THEIR FATHER DID.
WRITING ABOUT CRIME.
JUST SEEMED A NATURAL THING
TO THEM.

Max says THE FASCINATION WITH HOW
THE MURDER GUY STARTED OUT
IN PANTY HOSE.
AND OF COURSE THIS HAPPENS
TO BE TRUE.
I WAS WORKING WHEN I GOT OUT
OF UNIVERSITY, I WAS WORKING
FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN THE
TEXTILE BUSINESS AND THE
MAIN PRODUCT WAS PANTY HOSE.
AND AS MY WIFE WILL ATTEST
TO I USED TO WRITE THESE
MURDER STORIES FOR MY OWN
PLEASURE SORT OF THING.
THAN WHEN THE TORONTO SUN
CAME INTO BEING WHICH IS
CLOSE TO 30 YEARS AGO, I
SUBMITTED A STORY TO THEM AT
MY WIFE'S URGING.
AND THEY MADE ME 15 DOLLARS RIGHT
ON THE SPOT.
THE NEXT THING THAT HAPPENED
IN MY CAREER WHICH WASN'T
MUCH OF A CAREER AT THE TIME
IS THEY SAID NOW THAT WE
PUBLISHED THIS ONE, THE
MANAGING EDITOR CALLED ME
AND SAID WOULD YOU DO
ANOTHER ONE FOR US.
WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE WILL
PUT IT IN.
I DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME
THEY WERE USING IT AS A
FILLER.
THAN THEY DID A SURVEY.
AND LO AND BEHOLD MY COLUMN
WAS EXTREMELY POPULAR, WAY
MORE THAN THEY THOUGHT.
PARTICULARLY SINCE IT DIDN'T
APPEAR ON A REGULAR BASIS,
THERE WAS NO FOLLOWING AS
SUCH BUT WHEN THEY DID THE
SURVEY PEOPLE MUST HAVE
LIKED IT AND THAT IS WHEN
SOMETIMES AFTER THAT THEY
APPROACHED ME AND SAID LOOK,
WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO COME ON
BOARD AND DO IT MORE OFTEN.

A newspaper article appears with the title "Poisonous pellets."

Marilyn says WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT HIS
WRITING WOULD BE A CAREER
FOR HIM.
WE DID ALWAYS THINK THAT IT
WOULD BE A HOBBY.
SOME OF THE STORY ITS DO GET
TO YOU.
THEY ARE JUST SO BAD THAT
YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE OF
STONE NOT TO BE AFFECTED BY
SOME OF THEM.

Some of Max’s book covers pop up, such as "Murder most foul" and "True crime stories."

Max says I DO THINK OF THEM FOR
SOME TIME AFTER YOU MEET
SOME OF THESE VICIOUS GUYS,
HOW THEY COULD BE THAT WAY.
AND YET IF THEY WERE SITTING
HERE REALLY, THEY ARE NICE
GUYS, GOOD
CONVERSATIONALISTS,
ARTICULATE AND IN MANY CASES
VERY INTELLIGENT AND REALLY
YOU WOULD SAY -- YOU HAVE TO
SHAKE YOUR HEAD AND SAY BUT
HE KILLED EIGHT GIRLS.
HE SLAUGHTERED PEOPLE.
YOU WONDER CAN THAT BE THE
SAME PERSON.
YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD AND
WONDER ABOUT IT.
AND IT DOESN'T LEAVE YOU
RIGHT AWAY.
IT TAKES A MOMENT.
YOU THINK ABOUT SUCH THINGS.

Black and white pictures of Max interviewing people appear.

Marilyn says ONE DAY MAX GOT A CALL
CLOSE TO MIDNIGHT THAT
SOMEONE HAD PHONED AND SAID
THAT THEY KNEW WHERE JIMMY
HOFFA WAS BURIED.
AND IT WAS DOWN ON QUEBEC
AVENUE NEAR HIGH PARK, NOT
FAR FROM HERE.
AND SO MAX IS READY TO TAKE
OFF AND IMMEDIATELY GO AND
LOOK AT IT.
AND I SAID NO WAY THAT YOU
ARE GOING WITHOUT ME.
I SAID I WILL DRIVE THE CAR.
I SAID SOMEONE COULD BE
LAYING IN WAIT FOR YOU.
THAT WAS MY BIG FEAR, THAT
IT WAS SOME KIND OF A HOAX
THAT WOULD GET HIM OUT
THERE.
SO I SAID WE WILL DRIVE BY.
WE WON'T STOP.
IF I HAVE TO, I'M PUTTING ON
THE GAS.

At n office, Max dictates and Marilyn types.

Max says QUITE IT IN LONGHAND, DO
IT ALL IN LONGHAND.
THAN I DICTATE IT.
AND THAN WE PUT IT THROUGH.
AND WE FIGHT OVER WORDS.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO TRY AND
INJECT A LITTLE HUMOUR AND
SHE HARNESSES ME IN.
AND SAYS NO, YOU ARE GOING
TOO FAR.
THIS ISN'T FUNNY.
THIS GUY KILLED THREE
PEOPLE.
YOU ARE TRYING TO LAUGH AT
IT.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO WE FIGHT OVER THE WORDS.

Marilyn says OUR COLLABORATION USUALLY
WHEN WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER
IS PRETTY GOOD UNLESS WE
HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE
DISCUSSION ABOUT CHOICE OF
WORDS.
AND THAN AS YOU KNOW MOST
WRITERS DON'T LIKE ANYBODY
TELLING THEM THAT SOMETHING
THEY HAVE WRITTEN SHOULD BE
CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.

Max says EVERY WEEK I GET UP AND I
KNOW I HAVE TO PRODUCE ONE
OF THESE STORIES.
AND I ALWAYS FIND AN
ADVENTURE.
MY WEEK IS REALLY AN
ADVENTURE, WHETHER I DO IT
FIRSTHAND, DO A LITTLE
TRAVELING OR ON SOME DUSTY
LIBRARY BASEMENT T IS NEVER
BORING.

Max meets with a woman and a man in his office. They look at sketches.

Max says OKAY, NOW CAN WE TALK,
USE THE EXPRESSION WRITING.
DID I DO ANYTHING IN BAD
TASTE.

The woman says NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
YOU KNOW I'M ALWAYS
WATCHING FOR THAT, MAX.

Max says I KNOW.

The caption changes to "Mike Strobel" Editor-in-Chief, Toronto Sun.

Mike is in his mid-forties, balding and with a goatee. He sits behind his desk.

He says MAX HAINES IS ONE OF MY
FAVOURITE PARTS OF THE
NEWSPAPER.
THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE IN
THE WORLD WHO ARE LITERALLY
ONE OF A KIND.
AND I THINK MAX IS LITERALLY
ONE OF A KIND.

In his office, Max points at a pin board full of pictures and newspaper articles.

He says THIS IS MY LITTLE BOARD
OF INFAMY HERE.
THIS IS TED BUNDY, SERIAL
KILLER WHO FINALLY IN THE
LAST NIGHT OF HIS LIFE TRIED
TO TELL THE AUTHORITIES THAT
HE KILLED MANY MORE PEOPLE.
AND IF THEY DIDN'T EXECUTE
HIM HE WOULD TAKE THEM TO
THE GRAVE.
IT DIDN'T WORK.
THEY FINALLY EXECUTED HIM
FOR MURDERS IN FLORIDA.

The caption changes to "Robin Robinson. Toronto Sun Editor."

Robin is in her early forties, with shoulder length slightly wavy brown hair. She wears a purple blouse and a black jacket.

She says IT IS KIND OF AN ONGOING
LITTLE BIT OF A GAG.
LIKE IF MAX DOESN'T PHONE IN,
IF WE DON'T HEAR FROM HIM
ONE DAY IT IS LIKE OH MY GOD,
WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM MAX.
MAYBE HE WAS MURDERED THAT
KIND OF THING.

Max says JUST A CANADIAN LAD HERE
WHO WAS A TRAIL BLAZER,
ALBERT DAY, HE, THAT IS HIS
WIFE.
HE PUT A BOMB ON AN AIRCRAFT
AND KILLED EVERYONE ABOARD
INCLUDING HIS WIFE WHO IS
HERE.
HE DID IT ALL JUST TO KILL
HER.
HE WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR IN
QUEBEC CITY WITH A WAITRESS
AND HE WAS HANGED WHEN WE
STILL HAD CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
IN CANADA.

Mike says HE IS THE ONLY GUY I KNOW
WHO CAN TAKE A HORRIFYING
STORY ABOUT AN AXE MURDERER
OR WHATEVER AND ACTUALLY PUT
A LITTLE LIE, TWIST ON IT
AND BRING OUT ALMOST A KIND
OF HUMOUR.
A VERY DISTINCTIVE STYLE.

Max points at an old wedding picture.

Max says THIS GUY, ARTHUR KENDALL,
ARTHUR KILLED HER, HIS WIFE
AND ESCAPED PUNISHMENT FOR
NINE YEARS.
AND THEN HIS CHILDREN GREW
UP WHO WITNESSED THE CRIME,
GREW UP.
HER BODY HAS NEVER BEEN
FOUND AND TOLD ABOUT THEIR
FATHER KILLING THEIR MOTHER
AND HE WAS CONVICTED WITHIN
FIVE HOURS OF BEING EXECUTED
WHEN WE HAD CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.
WHEN I STARTED WRITING ABOUT
HIM HE STARTED SENDING ME
WALLETS FROM PRISON.
SO I HAD SEVERAL WALLET ITS
THAT ARTHUR MADE ME.

Robin says WE HAD ONE EDITOR THAT
SAID IF SHE EVER GETS
MURDERED SHE WANTS MAX TO
WRITE THE STORY.

Max points at a large article on the wall with a picture of a man dressed as a cat.

Max says IF YOU EVER WANT TO MEET
SOME GUY, YOU KNOW,
OPERATING WITH ONE PINT LESS
THAN A SIX-PACK, IT WAS THIS
GUY.
AND HE LOVED TO DRESS UP AS
A CAT AT NIGHT.
THE WHOLE THING ON.
THIS WAS WHILE CATS WAS
POPULAR ON BROADWAY.
AND HE HAD THE WHOLE WIG,
AND WOULD SPEND HOURS MAKING
HIMSELF UP AS A CAT AND
GOING AROUND ROBBING PEOPLE
IN PITTSBURGH AND FINALLY HE
KILLED SOMEONE.
HE BECAME KNOWN AS THE WEIRD
GUY WHO USED TO DRESS UP AS
A CAT.
NO ONE THOUGHT HE WOULD BE A
KILLER, JUST A WEIRD GUY.
BUT HE ENDED UP TAKING A
HUMAN LIFE SO HE ENDS UP
BEING THERE.
AND OF COURSE THE ART
DEPARTMENT DID A TERRIFIC
JOB, IT LOOKS JUST LIKE HIM.
YOU SEE THAT COMING AT YOU
IN A DARK NIGHT AND IT MAKES
YOU LOOK TWICE.

Marilyn says DOES HIS TYPE OF WRITING
MAKE ME CAUTIOUS ABOUT HIM,
NO, NOT ABOUT MAX.
HE IS NOT THAT TYPE OF
PERSON AT ALL THAT YOU WOULD
EVER WORRY ABOUT BEING
VIOLENT.

Max says I WILL DO IT AS LONG AS
SHE LETS ME.
THE DAY SHE SAYS YOU GOT TO
STOP NOW, I AM AFRAID WE
WILL HAVE TO STOP.

Tina says THE COLLECTED WORKS OF
MAX HAINES, VOLUME FOUR IS
THE AUTHOR'S 24th BOOK AND
IT IS PUBLISHED BY PENGUIN.

A picture of the book appears on screen. A man falling from the top of a building illustrates the cover.

Now an animated book sitting on a see-saw opens to reveal a book by Michele Robins and an image of Ken Oppel reading to children.

Tina says COMING UP, KEN OPPEL, A
RISING STAR IN CHILDREN'S
LITERATURE.
BUT FIRST THE LOOKING GLASS,
A NEW NOVELL FROM BRITAIN'S
MICHELLE ROBERTS.

Back in the studio, Tina holds a copy of Michele’s book and says I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THIS IS
ONE OF MY FAVOURITE BOOKS OF
THE SEASON CALLED THE
LOOKING GLASS.
IT IS BY THE HALF BRITISH,
FRENCH WRITER MICHELLE
ROBERTS.
IT TELLS THE STORY OF
GENEVIEVE, A YOUNG ORPHAN
MAID WHO FINDS HER FIRST JOB
AND HOME AT A SEASIDE HOUSE
IN NORMANDY AND A MOTHER
FIGURE IN HER EMPLOYER.
UNTIL ONE DAY WHEN A MAN
ENTERS THE PICTURE AND
EVERYTHING CHANGES IS.

A clip shows Tina interviewing Michele in a bar.

Tina says IT IS LOVELY TO
MEET YOU, WELCOME TO
"IMPRINT."

Michele says THANKS YOU.

Tina says NOW THE LOOKING
GLASS SEEMED TO ME IN MANY
WAYS A CELEBRATION OF
DOMESTIC LIFE.
IT WAS FILLED WITH WONDERFUL
BOWLS AND KITCHEN UTENSILS
AND A LOT OF TIME WAS
SPENT TALKING ABOUT CHORES,
SOWING, IRONING, THAT KIND
OF STUFF.
WHAT ARE YOU TELLING US
HERE.

The caption changes to "Michele Roberts. The Looking Glass."

Michele says LOTS OF THINGS BUT ONE OF
THEM THAT FOR A WOMEN OF MY
GENERATION YOU GREW UP
PARTLY IN THE KITCHEN WHERE
YOUR MOTHER SPENT A LOT OF
HER TIME AND IN MY CASE I
SPENT HOLIDAYS IN FRANCE.
THERE WERE ALWAYS A LOT OF
WOMEN IN THE KITCHEN,
AUNT, -- AUNTS, COUSINS
COOKING, IF YOU HUNG AROUND,
AS A GIRL YOU NOT ONLY
LEARNED TO COOK, BUT YOU
PICKED UP BITS OF
FASCINATING CHITCHAT.
SO IN MY NOVEL GENEVIEVE A
YOUNG ORPHAN JUST OUT OF THE
ORPHANAGE, IT IS HER FIRST
JOB.
HE WAS NEVER LOVED BY
ANYBODY.
SHE REALLY FALLS IN LOVE
WITH HER EMPLOYER BECAUSE I
THINK SHE COMES TO STAND FOR
WHAT THE KITCHEN ITSELF CAN
STAND FOR, NOURISHMENT,
WARMTH, PLEASURE, THE ACTS
OF GIVING, THE ACTS OF
RECEIVING.
SO I DON'T ROMANTICISE I
HOPE, THEY ARE WORKING VERY
HARD.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE NOT GOT
CENTRAL HEATING OR MODERN
FRINGES.
EVERYTHING HAS GOT TO BE
DONE BY HAND.

Tina says NOW THIS WONDERFUL
DOMESTIC LIFE AS YOU SAY
BECOMES A KIND OF ANCHOR FOR
THE MAIN CHARACTER BECAUSE
IT IS HER HOME T IS WHERE
SHE IS.
AND THAT WHOLE ROUTINE IS UP
SET WHEN A MAN ENTERS.
WHY IS THAT ROUTINE SO UP
SET BY THE ENTRY OF THIS
OTHER GUY.

Michele says WELL, THE MADAM HAS BEEN
A WINDOW AND GENEVIEVE
BECAUSE SHE LOVES HER SO
MUCH MANAGES THEY ARE GOING
TO STAY TOGETHER FOREVER IN
WHAT HAS BECOME AN EARTHLY
PARADISE AND I THINK THAT IS
HOW THE GIRLS FEEL WHEN WE
ARE TINY BABIES IT THAT IT
IS JUST YOU AND MOTHER, YOU
AND THIS GORGEOUS RIPE MILKY
BREAST AND THESE ARMS.
EVEN IF YOUR REAL CHILDHOOD
IS NOT QUITE AS PERFECT, I
THINK THAT THE LONGING CAN
BE FOR MOMENTS OF BLISS WHEN
IT WAS JUST YOU AND THE
OTHER.
AND OF COURSE THE FATHER
COMES IN.
IT IS NORMAL, NATURAL.
HE BREAKS UP.
DUO.
HE INTRODUCES OTHER DESIRES,
OTHER FORMS OF LONGINGS.
AND LITTLE GIRLS I THINK,
LITTLE TINY BABY GIRLS CAN
FEEL VERY ANGRY.
THEY ARE ROBBED.
FOR GENEVIEVE BECOMES VERY
JEALOUS BECAUSE SHE HASN'T
HAD A PROPER RELATIONSHIP
WITH ANYBODY BEFORE CAN'T
HANDLE THESE FEELINGS.

Michele reads an excerpt of her book.

She says I ALWAYS LIKED IRONING
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE
HOUR I FELT I REALLY
ACHIEVED SOMETHING.
IT IS A SATISFYING AND SENSUAL JOB.
YOUR HANDS STROKING AND
FOLDING CLOTH.
YOUR DEXTERITY CREATING NEAT
PILES OF SMOOTH AND
FLATTENED LINENS, SOOTHING
TOO.
IT SETS YOUR MIND FREE TO
ROME ABOUT.
IT LETS YOU DAY DREAM AS
YOUR ARM MOVES TO AND FRO,
AND YOUR FINGERS KNOW
WITHOUT YOU TELLING THEM
JUST HOW TO TWEAK EDGES INTO
PLACE, HOW TO PRESS COLLARS
AND GLIDE OVER STARCHED
SHIRT FRONTS.
AT THE SAME TIME THERE WAS A
CONFUSED PLEASURE IN SORTING
OUT HIS CLOTHES FOR HIM.
I FELT I DOMINATED HIM WHEN
I PUSHED MY BURNING IRON
INTO HIS HANKER CHIEFS AND
HELD IT DOWN ON A CORNER AS
THOUGH I WERE BRANDING HIS
FLESH.

Tina says NOW THERE IS A MALE
POET IN THE BOOK AND WE
DON'T REALLY EVER MEET HIM
DIRECTLY.
YOU TELL US HIS STORY
THROUGH THE EYES OF ALL THE
WOMEN AROUND HIM.
WHY DID YOU DO THAT.

Michele says I WANTED TO SHOW THE WAY
THAT WOMEN WHEN THEY FALL
MADLY IN LOVE WITH MEN WHO
ARE ALLOWED TO BE ARTISTS,
THEY IDEALIZE THEM BUT ALSO
ENVY THEM,.
SO I SAID IF YOU HAVE A
CIRCLE, A BIT LIKE A
DOUGHNUT, THE POET IS THE
HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT AND THE
WOMEN ARE THE SUGARY ADORING
CIRCLE AROUND.

Tina says IT ALSO OF COURSE
ALLOWS YOU AS A WRITER, A
GREAT TECHNIQUE BECAUSE IT
ALLOWS YOU TO GIVE SAME
VERSIONS -- DIFFERENT
VERSIONS OF THE SAME
EVENT.

AND WAY IN WHICH WOMEN
MAKE ART AS OF LANGUAGE.
ONE WOMEN WRITES A MEMOIR,
ANOTHER WRITES AN IMPOSSIBLE
LOVE LETTER.
ONE IS WRITING A DIARY.
THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T
ACTUALLY WRITE DOWN WHAT SHE
FEELS GENEVIEVE, HER STORY
IS ENTIRELY INSIDE HER OWN
HEAD BUT IT LETS ME SAY TO
THE READER YOU ARE THE ONLY
PERSON WHO HAS HEARD
GENEVIEVE'S STORY.
SHE IS TOO SCARED TO TELL
ANYBODY BECAUSE BAD THINGS
HAVE HAPPENED TO HER, AS
WELL AS BEAUTIFUL THINGS.
I WANTED THE READER TO FEEL,
OH, WRITE, I HAVE THE STORY,
I KNOW IT BUT IT ISN'T
WRITTEN EXCEPT IN THE NOVEL.

Tina says THERE IS A MERMAID
IN THE BOOK THAT REAPPEARS
IN DREAMS AND IN STORIES.
WHO IS THE MERMAID IN THIS
BOOK.

Michele says THE MERMAID IN THE BOOK I
THINK IS THE PART OF THE
WOMAN THAT FEARS SHE DOESN'T
BELONG IN CONVENTIONAL
SOCIETY.
SHE IS ALSO SOMEONE WHO IS
CAUGHT IN A STORY THAT OTHER
PEOPLE ARE TELLING.
SO SHE IS VERY MUCH ALSO
REPRESENTATIVE OF SEXUALITY AND THE WAY THAT WHEN
I WAS GROWING UP IN THE '50s
FEMALE SEXUALITY WAS JUST
NOT MENTIONED.
IT WAS SLIGHTLY DISGUSTING,
SLIGHTLY DANGEROUS AND
SAFELY CONFINED WITHIN
MARRIAGES.
SO LITTLE GIRLS OF 13 AND 14
FULL OF SEXUAL FEELINGS JUST
WENT TO CHURCH AND LESSENED
TO PRIESTS SAYING YOU ARE
DISGUSTING.
THE FEMALE BODY IS
ESPECIALLY DISGUSTING.
I NEEDED A MERMAID.
I NEEDED TO HAVE A MERMAID
WITH WHOM I COULD GO
SWIMMING AT NIGHT IN MY
DREAMS AND FEEL SOMETHING
ELSE COULD HAPPEN.

Tina says AND LEARN TO LOVE
YOUR BODY.

Michele says YES.

Tina says CATHOLICISM WHICH
YOU MENTION IN THE BOOK, OF
COURSE, THE CHARACTER IS
CATHOLIC, BUT THERE IS A
GREAT QUOTE ABOUT YOU SAYING
THAT JEAN ROBERT'S CATHOLICISM
WOULD BE LIKE WOODY
ALLEN WITHOUT HIS NEUROSIS.
THIS IS A BIG PART OF YOUR
LIFE AND YOU HAVE WRITTEN
ABOUT IT BEFORE IN YOUR
OTHER BOOKS, NOT SO MUCH IN
THIS BOOK.
BUT WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO
DO AND DID YOU FINALLY
WRESTLE IT TO THE GROUND.

Michele says THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL
IMAGE.
I THINK I DID.
I EXORCISED IT, NOT JUST BY
CUTTING IT OUT OF MYSELF AND
THROWING IT AWAY WHICH
TURNED OUT TO BE IMPOSSIBLE
AND TOO DAMAGING.
BUT BY TAKING IT AND SAYING
I WILL RETELL STORIES.
I WAS VERY
OPPRESSED BY THE STORIES OF
CATHOLICISM.
I WILL TELL THEM MY WAY.
SO HAVE WRITTEN -- A LOT
ABOUT MADONNAS WHO MIGHT BE
BLACK OR SAINTS WHO MIGHT BE
A BIT CRAZY OR DO THINGS
THAT ARE CALLED BAD.
I HAVE WRITTEN REALLY ABOUT
LOVE AND TRIED TO RECLAIM IT
FOR WOMEN AS SOMETHING ABOUT
INTEGRATING YOUR SOUL AND
YOUR BODY BECAUSE THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH SPLITS THEM.
I WAS, I THINK TAKING THESE
SPLIT SOULS OF CATHOLICISM
AND TRYING TO REINTEGRATE
THEM, MAKE A NEW BODY FOR
WOMEN.
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT 25
YEARS OF WRITING, AND I
THINK I HAVE DONE IT AND I
CAN NOW TURN MY ATTENTION,
WELL, TO MEN.
I THINK YOU SEE THAT IN THIS
BOOK.

Tina says I KNOW YOU WROTE A BOOK
OF ESSAYS WITH THE DELICIOUS
FIGHT EL FOOD, SEX AND GOD
THAT IS JUST ABOUT IT, ISN'T
IT.
DOESN'T THAT JUST WRAP UP A
WOMEN'S LIFE, REALLY.

Michele says IT DOES.
AND THOSE ARE MY FAVOURITE
TOPICS IN WRITING.
WHEN I MEET PEOPLE AND THEY
SAY WHAT DO YOU WRITE ABOUT,
I SAY FOOD, SEX AND GOD.

Tina says THAT IS DELIGHTFUL.
SO ALL YOUR BOOKS COULD HAVE
THE SAME NAME.

Michele says THEY COULD.

Tina says YOU COULD JUST HAVE FOOD,
SEX AND GOD ONE, TWO, THREE,
FOUR, FIVE.

Michele says SHE HAS DONE IT AGAIN.

Tina says STORYTELLING, OF
COURSE THE POET IS THE STORY
TELLER BUT WE DON'T GET TO
SEE MUCH OF HIS POETRY BUT
THE WOMEN TELL THEIR STORIES
IN THEIR OWN WAY, SOME WRITE
LETTERS, SOME KEEP DIARIES,
GENEVIEVE, THE MAIN
CHARACTER IS VERY AFRAID OF
WRITING HER STORY DOWN, THAT
SOMEHOW THE MAGIC IN IT WILL
DISAPPEAR, THAT IF SHE
WRITES IT DOWN SHE WON'T BE
ABLE TO HOLD IT FOR HERSELF
IN HER HEART.
DO YOU THINK WRITING DOES
THAT.
WHEN YOU WRITE THE STORY
DOWN IT SOMETIMES WILL
DISAPPEAR.

Michele says I DO, I THINK LIKE THE
MERMAID, YOU ARE UNDER THE
SEA IN A MAGICAL ENCHANTED
WORLD WHICH IS YOUR OWN
IMAGINATION WHERE THERE IS
NO TIME.
EVERYTHING EXISTS AT THE
SAME TIME.
IT IS LIKE A PAINTING.
YOU CAN SEE ALL OF IT IN ONE
GLORIOUS MOMENT.
WHEN YOU WRITE, YOU ARE
UNRAVELING, UNTANGLING.
YOU ARE MAKING SOMETHING
EXIST IN A LINEAR FORM AND
TIME THROUGH PROCEEDS.
AND THERE IS A LOT INVOLVED.
AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE,
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE A
PROPER WRITER, YOU LEARN TO
WRITE.
YOU LOSE TOUCH A LITTLE BIT
WITH THE UNDERWATER WORLD OF
PERMIT -- MERMAID.
BUT I'M INTERESTED IN THE
WAY THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN PERHAPS VERY, VERY
UNHAPPY WHO COULD BE CALLED
BREAKDOWN PEOPLE, OR EVEN
MAD PEOPLE, THEY OFTEN FEEL
THEY LIVE IN A VERY
BEAUTIFUL WORLD, THAT THEY
ARE SAD TO LEAVE, FOR THE
BANALITY OF DAILY LIFE.
AND I THINK THERE CAN BE A
LOT IN BECOMING SO SANE THAT
YOU ARE ALWAYS ON DRY LAND.
SO I WANT TO WRITE STORIES
IN WHICH YOU CAN KEEP DIVING
BACK IN.
YOU CAN KEEP SAYING HEY, THE
MERMAID IS STILL THERE.
AND YOU JUMP BACK ON LAND
AGAIN.

Tina says THE LOOKING GLASS
BY MICHELLE ROBERTS IS
PUBLISHED BY LITTLE BROWN.

(music plays)

Tina is back in the studio.

Tina says GOOD VERSUS EVIL,
TORONTO WRITER KEN OPPEL
SAYS THE THEMES ARE THE SAME
WHETHER HE IS WRITING FOR
CHILDREN OR FOR ADULTS.
KEN OPPEL'S KIDS BOOKS PEG
AND THE WHALE, SILVER WING
AND SUN WING HAVE WON
MULTIPLE AWARDS AND LAST
SPRING'S THRILLER THE
DEVIL'S CURE MARKED THE
SUCCESSFUL DEBUT IN ADULT --
ADULT FICTION.

Cover of all the mentioned books pop up.

Tina says WE KNEW WE WERE WATCHING A
RISING STAR WHEN HE TOOK TO
THE STAGE DURING THE SKYDOME
IN THE FESTIVAL OF AUTHORS.

A clip from the event rolls.

An announcer says LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
BOYS AND GIRLS, WELCOME TO
THE BIGGEST READING EVER AS
PART OF THE INTERNATIONAL
FESTIVAL OF AUTHORS.
SIT BACK, RELAX.
USE YOUR IMAGINATION.
AND PLEASE WELCOME KENNETH
OPPEL.

The crowd applauds. The clip end.

The caption changes to "Ken Oppel. Writer."

Ken says ONE OF THE PROBLEMS YOU
HAVE AS A WRITER YOU IS
THINK YOU WANT TO BE
ORIGINAL, SAY THINGS THAT
HAVEN'T BEEN SAID BEFORE.
YOU REALIZE THAT FOR YOUNG
READERS ESPECIALLY, IT IS
ALL NEW TO THEM.
THEY HAVEN'T READ AN ENTIRE
WESTERN CIVILIZATION THE
ODYSSEY OR THE WORKS OF
SHAKES SPEAR SO ALL THE
GREAT THEMES ARE STILL
INCREDIBLY EXCITING AND
UNDISCOVERED TERRITORY FOR
THEM.

A clip shows Ken at the auditorium giving a speech.

He says WE WILL CONTINUE IN A
THIRD BOOK CALLED FIRE WING.
BUT I'M GOING TO TAKE RIGHT
BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING
AND INTRODUCE You.
SKIMMING OVER THE BANKS,
HE HEARD THE BEATLE WARMING
UP ITS WINGS.

A picture of the cover appears on screen. A bat flying out of a cave illustrates the cover.

Ken says I SAID THAT PRECISELY
BECAUSE THEY WERE
UNATTRACTIVE ANIMALS.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT I WOULD
NEVER WRITE TALKING ANIMAL
BOOKS.
AND I REALIZED IF I WAS
GOING TO DO IT WOULD HAVE
ABOUT BE THE LEAST
ATTRACTIVE.
I REALLY WANTED TO TURN IT
AROUND FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE
ALL THE CUTE ANIMALS HAVE
BEEN DONE.
AND THAT IN ADDITION WAS
JUST REALLY FASCINATING
ANIMAL.
THE WAY THEY SMELL WITH
THEIR EARS, NOT THE THEIR
EYES IT PRESENTED LITERARY
CHALLENGES WHICH WERE
INTERESTING.
TRYING TO DESCRIBE A WORLD
WITH SOUND.
IT HADN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE.
SO WHEN ARE YOU TRYING TO
DECIDE WHAT TO WRITE YOU CAN
SEE WELL, THAT IS NEW AND SO
IT IS APPEALING.
AND YOU CAN SEE YOU CAN
CREATE A WHOLE NEW WORLD OF
MYTHOLOGY AND TECHNOLOGY.
SO AS A FANTASY NOVELIST FOR
KIDS, THEY REALLY WERE
AMAZING MATERIAL.
SO THEY WERE A GIFT.

A clip shows Ken playing with his kids in a backyard.

He says YOU KNOW WHAT YOU LIKED
THE OTHER DAY, YOU LIKED
PUTTING THE BAUM, LIKE A HAT --
I LIKE TO WRITE FOR KIDS, AT
LEAST REMEMBER WHAT IT IS
LIKE TO BE A KID.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT
HELPS TO HAVE KIDS BUT
INTERESTINGLY, MY KIDS ARE
FASCINATING, YOU KNOW.
AND I LOVE HEARING WHAT THEY
SAY AND WHAT INTERESTS THEM.
BUT THAT IS NOT REALLY WHAT
GIVES ME IDEAS.
I THINK IT IS FOR ME,
MYSELF.
IT IS REMEMBERING WHAT I
USED TO LIKE AS A KID.

On a couch, he reads a book to his kids.

He says IN DROPPED A BIG GREEN
GRASSHOPPER.

They says EW!

The boy says EAT THAT.
NMM, NMM.

Ken says AFTER THAT YOU JUST SORT
OF WRITE THE STORY THAT YOU
WOULD HAVE LIKED.
YOU IMAGINE YOU WOULD HAVE
LIKED READING WHEN YOU WERE
A KID.

At a library, he reads a book to a group of school kids.

He says I THINK I'M GOING TO DO
AFTER THIS WRITE ANOTHER
STORY ABOUT PEG.
AND IN THIS STORY I THINK HE
MIGHT CLIMB UP THE MOUNTAIN.
AND WHILE HE IS CLIMBING UP
THE MOUNTAIN I THINK HE
MIGHT MEET A CERTAIN ANIMAL
CALLED A YETTI.

One of the kids says A YETTI?

He says DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT A
YETTI.

Ken says THE REACTION TO MY BOOKS
HAS BEEN PASSIONATE, TOTALLY
DRAWN INTO THE WORLD OF GOOD
AND EVIL.
AND SORT OF THE CLASSIC
STRUGGLE.
ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T WANT IT TO
BE SO BINDING IN MY BOOK.
IF THERE IS SORT OF KEEPING
A MODERN READER IN MIND IT
IS THAT IT IS NOT SO SIMPLE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT
VERSIONS AND SORT OF PEOPLE
VYING FOR THEIR IDEAS OF
TRUTH.

He now stands before a lectern, reading an excerpt of his book "Devils’ cure" to an adult audience.

He says SHE ALWAYS FOUND BROWN
EYES MEANT SOFTER,
VULNERABLE EVEN, BUT DAVID
HAINES'S EYES WERE INTENSE.
NOT A PREDATOR'S EYES
EXACTLY.
SHE KNEW SHE WASN'T AN
OBJECT OF DESIRE TO HIM BUT
SOMETHING MORE CHILLINGLY
ABSTRACT.
SHE WASN'T A WOMAN AT ALL,
REALLY, JUST A METAPHOR.

At his office, he says I MEAN YOU REALIZE YOU
HAVE REALLY GOT ONLY SO MUCH
STUFF INSIDE YOU THAT IS
GOING TO KEEP SORT OF COMING
OUT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THERE
IS A HUGE ELITE FROM THE
TWO.
BUT I TELL THEM IT IS THE
SAME THEME IN THERE, SORT OF
THE FANATICISM AND RELIGIOUS
YEARNING OR THE QUESTION OF
VERSIONS OF THE TRUTH.
BUT REALLY, I MEAN, TO ME IT
STARTS WITH A STORY.
SO YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T A
HUGE LEAP FOR ME.
IT IS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A
GOOD IDEA, A STORY ABOUT
ADULTS SORT OF FUELLING THE
STORY RATHER THAN CHILDREN.
AND AFTER THAT AFTER YOU
KNOW WHO YOUR CHARACTERS ARE
THE STORY TAKES -- THE VOICE
OF THE STORY TAKES CARE OF
IT IS -- ITSELF.
MY WIFE IS A SHAKESPEARE
EXPERT SO THAT IS A LITTLE
DAUNTING FOR ME.
SHE READS EVERYTHING I WRITE.
SHE HAS GREAT IDEAS AND
SUGGESTION.
YOU GO FROM SHAKESPEARE TO
KEN OPPEL, IT IS A BIT OF A
GAP THERE.

Tina says PEG AND THE WHALE
AND SUN WING, KEN OPPEL'S
BOOKS FOR YOUNG READERS ARE
PUBLISHED BY HARPER COLLINS,
SO IS HIS ADULT THRILLER THE
DEVIL'S CURE.
AND THAT IS ALL WE HAVE TIME
FOR TONIGHT.
HERE IS WISHING YOU A WEEK
FULL OF GREAT READING.
SEE YOU NEXT TIME.
GOOD NIGHT.

Theme music plays as the end credits roll.

Special thanks, International Festival of Authors, Grano.

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