Transcript: Imprint season 12 episode 13 | Dec 20, 2000

Tina Srebotnjak stands in a studio with pieces of art in red and orange hanging in the background.
She’s in her late thirties, with short chestnut hair and bangs. She’s wearing a gray blazer over a white blouse.

Tina says HELLO, I'M TINA
SREBOTNJAK.
WELCOME TO “IMPRINT,” THE
HOLIDAY EDITION.
TONIGHT EATING SHAKES SPEAR,
A BOOK OF CULINARY FEASTS
INSPIRED BY THE BARD.

A clip shows the book “Eating Shakespeare,” which has a colourful cover.
Then, a clip shows two women in their thirties talking at a dinner table.

One says I THINK ANOTHER GREAT
PART OF SHAKESPEARE'S FOOD
IS THE FOOD INSULTS.
SALT-BUTTER ROGUE.

The other replies
YOU GREASEY BAG OF GUTS.

The first says EATER OF BROKEN MEAT.

The second says YOU STOCK FISH.

Then a clip shows a man giftwrapping a book.

Tina says WHAT MAKES A BETTYR
GIFT THAN A BOOK?
NOTHING.
WE WILL HAVE SOME LAST
MINUTE IDEAS FOR HOLIDAY
SHOPPERS.

Now the book “Marrying the mistress” appears briefly.

Tina says AND MARRYING THE MISTRESS,
THE LATEST BOOK FROM BRITAIN'S
JOANNA TROLLOPE IS A NEW
TAKE ON THAT OLD LOVE
TRIANGLE.

In an interview, Joanna says THE MAN IS ACTUALLY A
DECENT MAN WHO WAS ENDURED
AT A VERY QUIET LEVEL THE
MOST A PAULING EMOTIONAL
ATTRITION IN HIS MARRIAGE.
BUT THE ABANDONED WIFE IS
ACTUALLY NOT A PARTICULARLY
LIKABLE PERSON AND BEHAVES
APPALLINGLY.
AND WORST OF ALL THE
MISTRESS TURNS OUT TO BE A
TOTALLY NICE WOMAN, WHAT DO
YOU DO THEN.

Theme music plays as the opening sequence rolls.
Fast clips show books and maps in hues of orange and red.

Tina reappears and says EVER SPENT ANY TIME
WONDERING WHY ANYONE WOULD
BAKE FOUR AND 20 BLACK BIRDS
INTO A PIE?
THE ANSWER IS HERE IN THIS
BOOK “EATING SHAKESPEARE.”
IT IS INSPIRED BY ALL THE
FOOD REFERENCES IN THE
BARD'S WORK.
AND PUT TOGETHER BY TWO
SISTERS SONIA AND BETTY
ZYVATKAUSKAS.
THEY SET OUT TO EXPLORE THE
CULINARY DELIGHTS OF
ELIZABETHAN TIME, FILLED
WITH RECIPES, SHAKESPEAREAN
QUOTES, AND 17th CENTURY
LORE AND MAY BE JUST THE
TICKET FOR ANY SHAKESPEARE
LOVER ON YOUR LIST.

(Medieval music plays)

Sonia and Betty stand in a home kitchen pealing onions and slicing oranges.
Clips show elaborate dishes such as a roast duck.
A quote on screen reads “To feed were best at home; from thence, the sauce to meat is ceremony...” Macbeth.

Sonia and Betty are in their thirties. Sonia has short auburn hair and wears glasses. Betty has auburn hair in a short bob.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Betty and Sonia Zyvatkauskas. Eating Shakespeare."

Betty says WE HAVE SOCIAL HISTORY
AND FOOD AND SHAKESPEARE.
AND IT IS JUST A GATWAY
OF COMBINING ALL OF THOSE
INTERESTS.
WE FELT THAT YOU CAN REALLY
SEE A PERIOD THROUGH ITS
FOOD.
AND I THINK IT IS SAFE TO
SAY WE LEARNED MORE HISTORY
JUST COOKING THIS FOOD,
DIDN'T WE, SONIA.

Sonia says UH-HUH.
AND IT WAS MORE FUN TO LEARN
THAT WAY.

Betty says WELL, I WILL SAY BECAUSE
I DON'T THINK SHE WILL SAY
IT HERSELF BUT SONIA IS A
GENIUS RESEARCHER DUE TO
HERMETIC LUS WAYS.
I STUDIED A LITTLE BIT OF
FOOD HISTORY AT THE CULINARY
ARTS AT GEORGE BROWN
COLLEGE.
AND SO I HAD A SENSE OF THE
CHEMISTRY OF FOOD.
SO THAT -- ONE OF THE
DIFFICULTIES WE HAD TO FACE
IS YOU ARE LOOKING AT A
RECIPE THAT SAYS PUT IN A
GOODLY AMOUNT.
HERE, PUT IN A GOODLY
AMOUNT, SONIA, AND COOK IT
TILL IT BE DONE.
WELL, WHAT COULD THAT
POSSIBLY BE.
YOU ONLY KNOW THROUGH TRIAL
AND ERROR.

Sonia says AND IN SOME CASES THAT IS
WHERE TWO HEADS REALLY ARE
BETTY THAN ONE.
AND WE OFTEN BRING DIFFERENT
TEMPERAMENTS AS BETTY HAS
POINTED OUT, ILLUSTRATED
PERHAPS BY A CIOUS
INSTRUCTION TO CRUSH WITH A
BOWLING BALL.
AND BETTY IS SAYING OH, THAT
WOULD WRECK YOUR TABLE IF
YOU ARE SMASHING THE BOWLING
BALL ON TO THE TABLE TO
CRUSH THE SEEDS.
AND I'M SAYING, NO, BETTY,
YOU JUST HAVE TO ROLL THE
BOWLING BALL OVER THE TABLE.

Another quote reads “Hamlet: I remember one said there were no sallets in the lines to make the matter savoury.” Hamlet.

Betty says SHAKESPEARE IS
FASCINATING BECAUSE HE
CATCHES -- TOUCHES
EVERYTHING IN HUMAN LIFE
FROM THE GREATNESS OF THE
HAMLET AND TO THE ORDINARY
FOLK OF MISTRESS QUICKLY AND
FALLSTAFF ANDEELS THEM
THEIR MOST HUMAN.
I THINK FOOD IS A GREAT
METAPHOR FOR THAT BECAUSE IT
IS THAT GREAT COMMONALITY
BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS TO EAT.

Sonia says YOU ALSO REALIZE WHEN HE IS
TALKING ABOUT FALLSTAFF
RUNNING UP A BAR TAB AND
EATING ANCHOVIES, YOU
REALIZE SHAKESPEARE PROBABLY
DID THAT HIMSELF.
THERE IS AN INTIMACY THAT
IT BRINGS TO THE WORK THAT
YOU DON'T HAVE -- WE DIDN'T
GET BEFORE WE WERE
RESEARCHING FOR THE FOOD
REFERENCES.

A new quote reads “Troilus: But still sweet love is food for fortune’s tooth.” Troilus and Cressida.

Betty says NOW WE'RE MAKING A CHERRY
CUSTARD.
AND CUSTARD WAS IMPORTANT
BOTH AS A FOOD BECAUSE IT
HAD ALL IMPORTANT DAIRY
GROUPS YOU COULD EAT ON DAYS
YOU COULDN'T EAT MEAT.

Sonia says BUT IT WAS MORE THAN JUST A
FOOD BUT A COMIC CLASSIC.

Betty says THE THREE STOOGES LOVED TO
THROW A CUSTARD PIE.
BUT IN SHAKESPEARE'S DAY
YOUR CUSTARD PIE WOULD BE SO
HUGE YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY
THROW THE PIE.

Sonia says YOU HAD TO JUMP INTO THE PIE.

Betty says THE CLOWNS HAD TO LEAP
INTO THESE GIANT CUSTARD
PIES THAT WERE TOO BIG TO LIFT.
AND SO NO SHORTAGE OF
CUSTARD REFERENCES IN
SHAKESPEARE.

(Medieval music plays)
Clips show the sisters stirring custard, stuffing a duck, and then putting the duck in an oven.

Later, they sit at a table served with several tasty-looking and elaborate dishes.

Betty says HERE IS THE FINAL FEAST
READY TO EAT.
WE HAVE THE SAGE FRITTERS,
THE ROSE CHICKEN, THE CHERRY
CUSTARD, THE SALAD WITH
LEMONS AND NOWERS AND OUR
ANISE CAKE.
IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL.
IT ALWAYS STRIKES ME EVERY
TIME I LOOK AT THIS FOOD OF
HOW GORGEOUS IT IS.
I THINK WE THINK OF THEM
EATING GREASEY BLOBS OF MEAT
AND GLOBS OF BREAD AND SWILING
IT DOWN WITH BEER BUT REALLY
IT IS BEAUTIFUL, ISN'T IT SONIA.

Sonia says IT IS BEAUTIFUL AND IT IS
SURPRISING HOW DELICATE SOME
OF THE FOOD IS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE GILDED
NUTMEGS THAT YOU MIGHT GIVE
TO SOMEONE AS A NEW YEAR'S
GIFT OR THE FINE
PRESENTATION OF THE SALAD
WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO TEAR
OFF LITTLE FLOWERS TO MAKE
IT LOOK PRETTY.
THE DELICACY OF THE SAGE
FRITTERS THAT ARE TAKEN
INDIVIDUAL LEAF AND DIP IT
IN BATTER AND FRIDAY IT.

Betty says YEAH, IT IS ALL VERY FINE WORK.
IT TOOK REAL ARTIST REE FROM
THOSE CHEFS TO PREPARE A
MEAL LIKE THIS.
WHEN WE DECIDED TO CALL
THE BOOK “EATING SHAKESPEARE.”
WE WANTED TO BE PROVOCATIVE
AND SHOW THAT WE WERE TRYING
TO HAVE FUN WITH THIS BOOK.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BE
DEADLY SERIOUS AND WE TRIED
TO WRITE A COOKBOOK THAT
PEOPLE COULD ENJOY READING
EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T GOING
TO COOK ANYTHING THAT THEY
WOULD HAVE FUN EXPERIENCING
SHAKESPEARE'S PLAYS AND
LITERATURE THROUGH THE FOOD
OF THAT PERIOD.

A new quote reads “Alas, I had rather be set quick I’ th’ earth, and bowl’d to death with turnips!” The merry wives of Windsor.

Sonia says MY FAVOURITE FOOD IMAGE
IS WHEN SHAKESPEARE IS
TALKING ABOUT THE DEVIL
LUXURY WITH HIS FAT RUMP AND
POTATO PARTICULARER AND YOU
THINK OH, THAT JUST SAYS IT
ALL, DOESN'T IT.
A FINGER AS FAT AS A POTATO.

Betty says AND I THINK ANOTHER GREAT
PART OF SHAKESPEARE'S FOOD
IS HIS FOOD INSULTS.
YOU SALT BUTTER ROGUE.

Sonia says YOU GREASEY BAG OF COKES.

Betty says BREAD CHIPPER.
EATER OF BROKEN MEAT.

Sonia says YOU STOCK FISH, YOU BOLD CKLE.

They both laugh.

Back in the studio, Tina says “EATING SHAKESPEARE.”
BY BETTY AND SONIA
ZYVATKAUSKAS IS PUBLISHED BY
PRESENT IS HALL CANADA.

Now an animated book sitting on a table in a bookstore reveals a clip of people buying books, followed by a picture of the cover of the book “Marrying the mistress.”

Tina continues LATER, LAST MINUTE GIFT
IDEAS, BOOKS OF COURSE FOR
THE READERS ON YOUR LIST.
AND NEXT, MARRYING THE
MISTRESS, THE LATEST FROM
BRITISH WRITER JOANNA
TROLLOPE.
HERE IS A FAMILIAR IL YAR
SCENARIO.
BOARD HUSBAND UNDERGOING
MIDLIFE CRISIS LEAVES HIS
WIFE FOR MANY YEARS AND
TAKES UP WITH A HE IS DUKDIVE
YOUNGER WOMAN.
HE IS THE BAD GUY, RIGHT.
WELL, NOT IF YOU READ THIS BOOK.
JOANNA TROLLOPE'S LATEST
NOVEL MARRYING THE MISTRESS.
SHE EXAMINES THE CLICHÉS
AROUND INFIDELITY AND
CONCLUDES THINGS AREN'T
ALWAYS AS THEY SEEM.
I SPOKE WITH HER WHEN SHE
WAS IN TORONTO FOR THE
INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL OF
AUTHORS.

A clip of the interview plays. Tina and Joanna sit in armchairs in a lounge.
Joanna is in her late fifties, with short wavy blond hair.

Tina says JOANNA TROLLOPE, WELCOME TO
“IMPRINT.”

Joanna says VERY NICE TO BE HERE.

Tina says THIS TELLS A STORY
ABOUT A LOVELY OLDER MAN WHO
LEAVES HIS WIFE OF 40 YEARS
FOR A YOUNGER WOMAN.
AND YOU ARE SET UP TO THINK
OH, LOATHE SOME CAD BUT YOUR
SYMPATHIZES ARE WITH HIM, WHY.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Joanna Trollope. Marrying the Mistress."

Joanna says I WANTED TO LOOK AT ALL
THE CLICHÉS SURROUNDING THE
ETERNAL TRIANGLE.
YOU KNOW, THE ETERNAL
TRIANGLE IS A MAN WHO LEAVES
HIS WIFE IS ALWAYS BEYOND
THE PALL, UNSPEAKABLE, A
BRUTE.
THE ABANDONED WIFE IS ALWAYS
THE INNOCENT VICTIM, INJURED
TO BE PITIED, KIND OF SAINT.
THE MISTRESS IS ALWAYS AN
UNPRINCIPLESED, HOME WRECK
JEZ I BELL.
WHAT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS
AGAIN.
WHAT IF YOU DISCOVER THAT
THE MAN IS ACTUALLY A VERY
DECENT MAN WHO IS ENDURED AT
A VERY QUIET LEVEL THE MOST
APPALLING EMOTIONAL HE
TRITION IN HIS MARRIAGE.
THAT THE ABANDONED WIFE IS
ACTUALLY NOT A PARTICULARLY
LIKABLE PERSON AND BEHAVES
APPALLINGLY.
AND WORST OF ALL WHAT IF THE
MISTRESS TURNS OUT TO BE A
TOTALLY NICE WOMAN, WHAT DO
YOU DO THEN.

Tina says THE WIFE THAT HE
LEAVES BEHIND, LAURA IS
INCREDIBLY UNSYMPATHETIC
CHARACTER.

Joanna says YES.

Tina says AND YOU WONDER HOW,
IN FACT, -- YOU WONDER HOW
HE STOOD IT FOR 40 YEARS.
AND PART OF MY BIGGEST
PROBLEM WITH HER ASIDE FROM
THE FACT SHE WAS A LOUSY
WIFE, SHE WAS A HORRIBLE
MOTHER.
SHE PREYS ON HER CHILDREN.
SHE WILL NOT LET THEM GO.

Joanna says I WANTED NOT TO FLINCH
FROM THAT.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, POST THE
WOMEN'S MOVEMENT WOMEN HAVE
ALMOST BEEN SANCTIFIED.
WOMEN HAVE OCCUPIED THE
MORAL HIGH GROUND AND I'M
ALL FOR THEM HAVING IT.
BUT I FEEL THEY HAVE TO EARN
THEIR PLACE THERE.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN SEEN
ALWAYS AS THE ONES HOLDING
THE ETHICAL BANNER A LOT OF.
WELL, IT ISN'T ALWAYS THE
CASE.
I MEAN WOMEN DO NOT ALWAYS
BEHALF WELL.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT LAURA,
THE ABANDONED WIFE SHOULD
NOT BE PITTIED.
I MEAN ANYBODY LEFT AFTER A
LONG MARRIAGE IN THEIR --
AROUND 60, OF COURSE IT IS A
MOST VULNERABLE AND
FRIGHTENING POSITION TO BE
IN.
BUT SHE IS AGAIN THE MOTHER
OF SONS.
AND THE MOTHER OF SONS DO
NOT ALWAYS BEHAVE LIKE THE
MOTHER OF DAUGHTERS.
I THINK THERE IS SOMETIMES A
KIND OF POSSESSIVENESS,
ALMOST AS IF, SOME MOTHERS
BECAUSE NOT ALL, AND I'M NOT
WRITING ABOUT THE HAPPY ONES
BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T MAKE
FOR PAGE-TURNING FICTION.

Tina says NO, NOT INTERESTING.

Joanna says EXACTLY.
SO IT HAS TO BE THE PROBLEM.
SOME MOTHERS ALMOST SEEM TO
WANT THEIR SONS TO
COMPENSATE THEM FOR THE
SHORTCOMINGS IN THEIR
RELATIONSHIP with THEIR FATHERS.

She now reads from her book and says
LAURA WISHED AS SHE HAD SAID
ONLY YESTERDAY TO WENDY WHO
HAD COME ON ONE OF HER
ATTEMPTS AT BRACING VISITS
THAT SHE COULD STAY JUST
PLAIN ANGRY ALL THE TIME.
ANGRY WITH FINE.
WHEN SHE WAS ANGRY SHE HAD
PURPOSE AND ENERGY.
SHE COULD EVEN SOMETIMES
GLIMPSE A NEW SELF EMERGING
FROM ALL THIS MUT EL AND
EMOTIONAL SQUALLOR.
A CLEAN, NEW SELF, SHORN OF
ALL THE RESTRICTIONS PLACED
INEVITABLY ON A HUMAN BEING
BY THE NEED TO NEGOTIATE DAY
IN, DAY OUT WITH ANOTHER
HUMAN BEING AT CLOSE
QUARTERS.

Tina says THERE ARE SOME WONDERFUL
PASSAGES IN YOUR BOOK ABOUT
HOUSES.
IN ONE MARION, THE MISTRESS
IS TALKING ABOUT SHE GREW UP
WITH ESSENTIALLY A SINGLE
MUM, WITHOUT MEN IN THE
HOUSE.
AND SHE THINKS WHEN SHE WAS
YOUNG WITH LONGING OF THE
HOUSES WITH HER FRIENDS THAT
HAVE MEN IN THEM.
AND YOU SAY THAT SHE SAYS
MEN LEAPT A DIFFERENT
FLAVOUR TO HOME ATMOSPHERES.
THERE WAS MORE ENERGY AND
NOISE, MORE ADVENTUROUSNESS,
MORE FOOD, MORE DANGER.
IS THAT FAIR.

Joanna says I THINK SO, OH, YES, I THINK SO.
I MEAN HOUSES THAT ARE ALL
WOMEN ARE FULL OF DRAMA AND
OPERATIC SHRIEKS AND CRISIS
BUT YOU DON'T GET THIS
THRILLING SENSE OF AN
ADVENTURE THAT MIGHT TURN
INTO SOMETHING QUITE
FRIGHTENING.
I'M USING THE WORD DANGER
THERE AS ETERNAL IT IS A
KIND OF ELECTRICITY.
NOT NECESSARILY A MENACE, IT
CAN SADLY OF COURSE AS WE
KNOW BE A MENACE.
WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF
VIOLENCE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SORT
OF SEXY KIND OF RISK.

Tina says YOU WRITE A LOT
ABOUT FAMILY, IT IS YOUR
TURF, YOUR TERRAIN.
THERE IS A GREAT QUOTE OF
YOURS.
YOU SAID THE FAMILIES IS
WHERE YOU LEARN YOUR LIFE
SKILLS OR FAIL TO.
IF YOU CAN'T RUN A FAMILY,
YOU CAN'T RUN GM.

Joanna says HEAR, HEAR.

Tina says WHY IS FAMILY LIFE
SO DIFFICULT.
BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE EVERY
SINGLE THING YOU'VE GOT.

Joanna says I THINK BECAUSE EVERYBODY
IS TRYING TO STAMP OUT THEIR
OWN TERRITORY, AREN'T THEY.
YOU ARE TRYING TO LIVE
TOGETHER WITH A DEGREE OF
CIVILITY.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND YOU
ARE TERRIFIED THAT ANYBODY
IS GOING TO POACH ANY OF
YOUR PRECIOUS TERRITORY.
THAT IS WHERE SIBLING
RIVALRY COMES IN.
AND FOR CHILDREN IT IS WHERE
YOU FIRST PRACTICE YOUR
REBELLION AGAINST AUTHORITY.
IT IS WHERE YOU START ALL
THESE THINGS.
SO YOU START THEM RATHER
VIOLENTLY BECAUSE THEY ARE
SO IMPORTANT TO YOU.
THEY SEEM TO YOU A MATTER OF
SURVIVAL.

Tina says NOW YOU'VE JUST
BEEN THROUGH A GREAT SEA
CHANGE IN YOUR LIFE.
YOUR SECOND MARRIAGE BROKE UP.
AND IT WAS A 14 YEAR
MARRIAGE.
I THINK YOU SAID IT DROVE
YOU TO THE BRINK OF INSANITY.

Joanna says IT WAS VERY DISCONCERTING.

Tina says IT MUST HAVE BEEN A HORRIBLE
EXPERIENCE.

Joanna says IT WAS VERY FRIGHTENING
BECAUSE OF THIS LOSS OF
CONTROL.
I THINK IT WOULD BE
DESCRIBED AS A REACTIVE
DEPRESSION WHERE YOU CAN BE
PUSHED TO A POINT WHERE YOU
REALLY HARDLY KNOW WHETHER
ARE YOU HERE OR THERE.
I WAS JUST TOTALLY, UTTERLY
DISORIENTATED.
NOTHING LOOKED FAMILIAR.
DIDN'T LAST VERY LONG.
I SUPPOSE IT WAS A COUPLE OF
MONTHS MAYBE, THREE MONTHS.
BUT I DID FEEL THE NEED TO
SORT OF FADE AS IT HAPPENED
TO ME.
BECAUSE I THINK HAPPENS TO
QUITE A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND I WANTED VERY MUCH TO
SAY, YOU WILL BE OKAY.
AND MORE THAN OKAY.
BECAUSE UNFORTUNATE AS IT IS,
SUFFERING DOES SEEM TO MOVE
US IN A WAY UNDILUTED
HAPPINESS DOESN'T.
AND I ALSO FELT, I DON'T
QUITE KNOW HOW TO PUT THIS.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO WRITE
LIKE I DO ABOUT HUMAN
VULNERABILITY, HUMAN PAIN,
HUMAN EMOTION, YOU CAN'T
THAN AS THE WRITER SAY WELL,
I DON'T HAVE ANY.
YOU KNOW, I'M IMMUNE FROM
ALL OF THAT.
I HAVE TO SAY I BLEED WHEN
PRICKED JUST AS YOU THE
READERS DO.
I JUST FELT THAT WAS RIGHT.

Tina says AND WHAT DID HELP
YOU RECOVER.
DID YOUR WRITING HELP YOU.

Joanna says TIME AND A BIT OF PSYCHO THERAPY.
I HAD FOUR OR SIX SESSIONS
WITH A MARVELLOUSLY
EXPERIENCED OLD MAN WHO
JUST -- WHO JUST PUT ME BACK
IN THE SADDLE.
I REMEMBER HIM SAYING TO ME
AT THE BEGINNING MY JOB IS
TO PERSUADE YOU AS GENTLY AS
I POSSIBLY CAN THAT YOU ARE
ACTUALLY FREE TO CHOOSE.
AND I DIDN'T SUDDENLY HAVE A
KIND OF RUDE REVELATION, I
JUST SUDDENLY KNEW ONE DAY I
WAS OKAY.

Tina says BECAUSE THE ONE
TIME THAT WE ACTUALLY LIKE
LAURA, THE ABANDONED WIFE IS
WHEN SHE SAYS SOMETHING LIKE
YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REALIZE
BEFORE THAT I COULD ACTUALLY
CHOOSE MY OWN WAYS, THAT I
COULD THINGS FOR MYSELF.
AND THAN ARE YOU GOING
THAT'S THE SPIRIT, LAURA.
NOW STOP WHINING AND GET ON
WITH IT.

Joanna says THAT'S IT.
BUT IT IS TERRIBLY -- DO
I -- I DO THINK WOMEN FOR
ALL THEIR PHENOMENAL
STRENGTH AND STOICISM AND
SUPPORTIVENESS, I THINK THEY
ARE VULNERABLE TO FEELING
THEY AREN'T FREE TO CHOOSE.

Tina says I WANTED TO ASK A
COUPLE THINGS ABOUT YOUR
OTHER LIFE, AS IT WERE.
YOU WRITE A SERIES OF
HISTORICAL NOVELS UNDER
ANOTHER NAME, CAR LINE
HARVEY.
HOW DID THAT COME UP OR WERE
YOU CAROLYN.

Joanna says I WAS JOANNA FIRST.
THE FIRST NOVELS I WROTE
WERE HISTORICAL.
I THINK THAT IS WHERE I
LEARNED RESEARCH.
AND I THINK I WASN'T BRAVE
ENOUGH TO WRITE CONTEMPORARY
FICTION, TRUTH BE KNOWN.
BUT WHEN I STARTED TO WRITE
CONTEMPORARY FICTION MY
PUBLISHERS THOUGHT IT WOULD
BE BEST IF I HAD ANOTHER
NAME FOR THE HISTORICAL
FICTION, IN ORDER NOT TO
CONFUSE THE READERS, THAT
THERE WAS THIS ROMANTIC
HISTORICAL DRAMA AND THERE
WAS THE CONTEMPORARY DRAMA.
SO WE INVITED MS. CAROLINE
HARVEY AN SHE WAS BORN OUT
OF MY TROLLOPE GRANDPARENT'S
FIRST NAME.
AND SHE IS DIFFERENT.
SHE IS NOT SO IRONIC, NOT SO
REALISTIC.
THE ROMANTIC GENRE IS MORE
OP RATIC.
YOU ALLOWED COINCIDENCE, A
HAPPY ENDING.
I'M NEVER VERY COMFORTABLE
WITH THOSE.
SO IT WAS REALLY JUST A
SIGNAL THAT IT WAS STILL ME
BUT WITH RATHER A DIFFERENT
VOICE.

Tina says AND DO YOU, WHEN
YOU SET DOWN TO WRITE A
CAROLINE HARVEY BOOK ARE YOU
IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
SPACE.

Joanna says YES, YES, A COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT SPACE.
IT ISN'T ODDLY ENOUGH VERY
DIFFICULT.
I FIND IT SLIGHTLY MORE
CONFINING BECAUSE MY SENSE
OF THE RIDICULOUS IS QUITE
CLEAN AND YOU CAN'T REALLY
PUT THAT INTO A ROMANTIC
NOVEL.
IT DOESN'T HOLD UP.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TAKE
THE WHOLE EMOTIONAL BUSINESS
RATHER MORE GRAVELY.
I ENJOY DOING THEM, IF I
WAS FORCED AT GUNPOINT TO
CHOOSE JUST THE ONE IT WOULD
BE TROLLOPE.

Tina says YOUR MOST FAMOUS
TROLLOPE ANCESTOR THAT GAVE
US SO MANY WONDERFUL BOOKS,
DO YOU THINK -- WHAT DO YOU
THINK HE WOULD MAKE OF YOUR
BOOK, DO YOU THINK HE WOULD
LIKE THEM.

Joanna says YES, I THINK HE WOULD.
I THINK HE WOULD REGRET THE
SLIGHT ECONOMY OF LANGUAGE.
HE LIKES TO WORK HIMSELF UP
INTO A --

Tina says A LATHER.

Joanna says AND A SPLENDID PARAGRAPH.
BUT THERE IS SOMETHING HE
ONCE SAID WHICH YOU CAN ADD
TO YOUR LIST OF FAVOURITE
QUOTATIONS THAT I REALLY DO
ADMIRE.
AND I THINK HE MIGHT
RECOGNIZE IN MY BOOKS, AND
THAT IS SOMETHING HE SAID IN
HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY WHEN HE
WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT HIS
AIM WAS IN WRITING BOOKS.
AND HE SAID NOT REALLY TO
EXPLORE THE LANDSCAPE OF THE
GRAND PASSION, HE SAID.
MY REOCCUPATION --
PREOCCUPATION IS TO
CHRONICLE THOSE LITTLE DAILY
LACERATIONS ON THE SPIRIT.

Tina says OH, THAT IS PERFECT.

Joanna says YOU CAN'T PUT IT MUCH
BETTYR THAN THAT, CAN YOU.

Tina says NO, I TAKE THAT AS
HIGH PRAISE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH IT WAS
LOVELY TO TALK TO YOU.

Joanna says I HAVE REALLY ENJOYED IT.
THANK YOU.

Back in the studio, the book appears briefly on screen. The cover features an impressionistic painting of two poppies in a glass.

Tina says MARRYING THE
MISTRESS BY JOANNA TROLLOPE
IS PUBLISHED IN PAIN BACK BY
McARTHUR AND COMPANY.
NEVER FEAR, IF YOU
ARE ONE OF THOSE POOLS WHO
HAS BEEN WANDERING AROUND
AIMLESSLY, OVERHEATED,
STRESSED OUT, SEARCHING FOR
THE PERFECT GIFT, WE ARE
HERE TO HELP.
HERE WITH LAST MINUTE PICKS
ARE TWO WELL-READ SHOPPERS
GERALD L'ECUYER AND CYNTHIA
McDONALD.
HELLO, YOU TOO.

Cynthia says HELLO.

Gerald says HI.

Tina says YOU ARE GOING TO
START WITH THIS 82 POUND BOOK.

Cynthia is in her thirties, with blond hair in a short bob.
Gerald, also in his thirties, is clean-shaven and has short blond hair.

Cynthia picks up a large and heavy book titled “The Beatles” and says
THIS IS THE BIG PICK THIS
SEASON FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
ABOUT 100 dollars.

Black and white pictures of The Beatles flash by quickly.
A caption appears on screen. It reads "Cynthia Macdonald. Writer."

Cynthia continues AND IT IS NOT THE KIND OF
THING YOU WANT TO READ IN
BED OR YOU WILL SMASH YOUR
TURN UP.
I THINK WHEN YOU REALLY LIKE
ABOUT THIS BOOK IS THAT IT
HAS A TON OF PHOTOGRAPHS IN
IT, NEVER BEFORE SEEN
PHOTOGRAPHS, PICKLY
CHILDHOOD STUFF.
AND SNAPS OF THEM WITH THE --
AS WELL AS LITTLE BITS LIKE
THEIR REPORT CARDS.
PAUL WAS A VERY GOOD
STUDENT.
JOHN APPARENTLY NOT SO GOOD.
BUT NONETHELESS, VERY
INTERESTING TO READ ABOUT.
SO THAT IS REALLY WHAT IS
COOL ABOUT THIS BOOK.
AND YOU LEARN THAT AT LEAST
AN EARLY POINT IN THEIR
CAREER BEFORE THEY STARTED
FALLING APART AND YOKO CAME
OUT, THEY REALLY WERE GOOD
PALS AND YOU GET THE SENSE
THAT HAD JOHN LENNON NOT
DIED THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN
BACK TOGETHER.

Tina says THAT IS INTERESTING
BECAUSE OF COURSE POPULAR
CULTURE TOLD US THAT IS NOT TRUE.
THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM
ABOUT THEM IS IN THE END
THEY ALL HATED ONE ANOTHER,
BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE.

Cynthia says WELL, THEY DID IN THE END.
EARLY ON MICK JAGGER CALLED
THEM THE FOUR HEADED MONSTER
BECAUSE THEY DID EVERYTHING
TOGETHER.
WE READ IN THIS BOOK THAT
GEORGE ACTUALLY LOST HIS
VIRGINITY IN FRONT OF THE
THREE OTHER BAND MEMBERS.
THAT IS CLOSENESS.

Tina says THAT IS A LITTLE
TOO COZY FOR ME.
GERALD, YOU HAVE BEEN
READING A LOVELY BOOK.

The caption changes to "Gerald L’Ecuyer. Imprint: Contributing Editor."

Gerald says WE GET HUNDREDS OF BOOKS
EVERY FALL TO CONSIDER.
THIS SOMEONE OF 20 RELEASES
BY McARTHUR AND COMPANY.
THE PIANO SHOP FROM THE LEFT BANK.
AND SIMPLE STORY, ONE LIVING
IN PARIS, AN AMERICAN WRITER,
STUMBLED INTO A PIANO SHOP
AND IN LEARNING ABOUT THE
HISTORY OF PIANOS
REDISCOVERED HIS OWN MUSICAL
LOVE OF THE INSTRUMENT, HIS
OWN PAST.
AND YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IS A
GOOD SIGN WHEN THE PRODUCER
TOOK IT HOME TO READ AND
READ IN ONE SITTING.
SHE TORE THROUGH IT.
YOU HAVE READ IT.

Tina says I READ IT.
I INTERVIEWED THE AUTHOR, HE
WILL BE ON IN THE NEW YEAR.
WONDERFUL BOOK.

Gerald says IT REAWAKENED YOUR OWN
MUSICAL PAST.
LINDA HAS STUDIED PIANO WHEN
SHE WAS A CHILD.
NOW SHE HAS BEEN SO MOVED
THAT SHE IS TAKING LESSONS
AGAIN.
SO WHEN A BOOK DOES THAT TO
SOMEONE, WE LESSON.

Tina says WE DO.
IT IS A WONDERFUL BOOK.
CYNTHIA, A BOOK I NEVER
HEARD OF.

Cynthia says MOVING RIGHT ALONG,
CALLED THE AMAZING
ADVENTURES IT OF CAVALIER
AND CLAY.
THE AUTHOR IS FIRST
PUBLISHED A BOOK ABOUT 15
YEARS AGO AND STRUCK ME AS
ONE OF THESE YOUNG AUTHORS
WHO WAS A BRILLIANT STYLIST
BUT NEVER HAD GREAT
MATERIAL.
HERE HE DOES.
THIS IS ONE OF THE GREAT --
CENTURY NOVELS THAT TAKES ON
SURREALISM AND FASCISM AND
ORSON WELLS AND A NEW DEAL.
WHAT IT IS REALLY ABOUT IS
THE RISE OF THE COMIC BOOK
INDUSTRY IN THE 1940s.
AND THE TWO CHARACTERS ARE
BASED ON TWO REAL LIFE GUYS
WHO OF COURSE INVENTED
SUPERMAN, THESE ARE GUYS WHO
INVENTED SUPERMAN, SOLD
THEIR CREATIONS FOR A SONG
AND DIED PENNILESS.
AND THEIR FORTUNES MIRROR
SOMEWHAT THOSE OF CAVALIER
AND CLAY.
BUT IF YOU GREW UP AS COMIC
BOOKS AS YOU AND I Z I THINK
WILL YOU FIND THIS BOOK
REALLY INTERESTING.
AND OF COURSE IT PUTS YOU IN
MIND THAT KIDS TODAY DO NOT
GROW UP WITH COMIC BOOKS.
TINA: WHICH IS A SHAME.
MY HUSBAND IS ALWAYS
BEMOANING THIS THAT COMIC
BOOKS ARE NOT AROUND ANY
MORE AND THEY WERE GREAT
TOOLS TO GET KID'S REASONS.

Tina says THEY WERE WHAT INTRODUCED
US TO THE SUPERHERO.

Gerald says NOW THIS IS WHAT I'M
GOING TO BE READING OVER THE
CHRISTMAS BREAK.
THIS IS THE HEFTY BIOGRAPHY
OF THE FALL WRITTEN BY JANE
ATLAS GIVEN A STUNNING
REVIEW IN THE “NEW YORK
TIMES,” TEN YEARS OF
RESEARCH, LEONARD SAID THAT
ATLAS TALKED TO EVERYONE WHO
KNEW BELLO AND IF YOU WERE
DEAD HE READ YOUR DIARY, SO
YOU KNOW.
THE AMAZING THING IS THAT IT
SPANS 85 YEARS.
HE IS STILL ALIVE, STILL
WRITING GRT BOOKS.

Tina says HE HAS A NEW BOOK.

Gerald says HE WROTE A BOOK LAST
SPRING THAT IS CONSIDERED
ONE OF HIS BEST.
AND IT ALL BEGINS IN
FREEZING COLD MONTREAL WHERE
HE SPENT HIS YOUTH.
SO THERE IS SOMETHING FOR
CANADIANS IN IT.
AND HE HAD FIVE WIVES AND
WHEN HE HAD TROUBLE WITH A
BOOK HE CHANGES WIVES, YOU
KNOW.
AND I THINK ANY WRITING WHO
DOES THAT IS WORTH
CONSIDERING.
BUT MOST OF ALL, IT IS 700
PAGES.
IT IS HEAVY IT IT KIND OF
SOMETHING THAT IF YOU WANT
TO ESCAPE A LITTLE BIT FROM
CHRISTMAS, YOU CAN BURY
YOURSELF IN THIS.

Tina says IS THAT THE KIND OF
BOOK WOULD YOU GO FOR.

Cynthia says CERTAINLY IS NOT THE KIND
OF MAN I WOULD GO FOR BUT --

Tina humorously says YOU NEVER KNOW, YOU
MIGHT BE WIFE NUMBER SIX.

Cynthia says LUCKY ME.

Tina says WHAT HAVE YOU GOT.

Cynthia says MY LAST BOOK,
CONVERSATIONS WITH WILDER,
THIS IS NOT A BRAND-NEW BOOK.
IN FACT IT CAME OUT AT THE
BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.
IT IS ONE OF MY FAVOURITE
BOOKS.
A SERIES OF CONVERSATIONS
BETWEEN CAMERON CROWE A
FILMMAKER AND THE GREAT
FILMMAKER BILLY WILDER,
ORIGINALLY FROM AUSTRIA NOW
94 YEARS OLD.
LAST MADE A MOVIE I THINK
ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO BUT THE
MOVIES HE DID MAKE ARE SOME
OF THE GREATEST, DOUBLE
INDEMNITY, THE LOST WEEKEND,
SOME LIKE IT HOT, SUNSET
BOULEVARD, ON AND ON.

Tina says AND HE RECEIVED A
LIFETIME OSCAR A COUPLE YEARS BACK.

Cynthia says SHARP AS A TACK,
INCREDIBLY CURMUDGEONLY AND
EVERY MEMORY IS INTACT.
HE HAS WORKED WITH SOME THE
MOST FABULOUS PEOPLE,
MARILYN MONROE, FOR EXAMPLE.
WHENEVER IMAL'S ASKED TO
GIVE LISTS I NAME IT THIS IS
WONDERFUL, CAMERON CROW IS
UNIQUELY PLACED TO WRITE
THIS BOOK BECAUSE HE STARTED
OUT AS A JOURNALIST.
HE MADE JERRY McGUIRE BUT
THE MOVIE NOW IN CINEMAS
ALMOST FAMOUS RECOUNTS HIS
EXPERIENCES AS A TEENAGE
JOURNALIST.
INCREDIBLY SENTIMENTAL AND
ROMANTIC.

Tina says HOW LOVELY IT
ALMOST AN HOMAGE, ISN'T T A
REAL TRIBUTE TO THIS
WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL FILMMAKER.

Cynthia says AND AT THE END IT SORT OF
READS LIKE A MOVIE.
AT THE END, IT IS WRITTEN
LIKE A SCREENPLAY.
AT THE END OF THE BOOK HE
HANDS WILDER HIS CANE, HIS
HAT AND WILDER TIPS HIS HAT
AND SAYS CALL ME AGAIN.
WE WILL WORK TOGETHER
SOMETIME.
AND HE JUST WALKS OFF.
SORT OF LIKE THE END OF CASA
BLANCA.

Gerald says I WANTED THAT.
I MEAN, I DID.
WHEN IT CAME OUT, I --

Cynthia says I HAVE ONE FOR YOU TOO.

Tina says 30 SECONDS LEFT.

Gerald says YOU HAVE TO LOVE SISTER WINDY.
REAWAKENING EVERYBODY'S LOVE
IN PAINTING SHE FINDS THE
NARRATIVE IN PAINTINGS.
A CLOISTERED NUN WHO
DEDICATED HER ART TO
STUDYING, THE OLD THOM,
SOMETHING TO THROW YOURSELF
INTO, THE NEW BOOK ON
AMERICAN MUSEUMS AND CHICKEN
SOUP FOR THE SISTER, SHE HAS
WRITTEN A BOOK CALLED LOVE,
MEDICATIONS ON LOVE.
I IMMEDIATELY TURNED TO THIS
CHAPTER ON REGRET.
BUT IT IS NEXT TO A STATUE
BY DONATELLO OR A PAINTING
SHE WILL GIVE HER THOUGHTS.
GOT TO LOVE SISTER WENDY
BECKETT.

Tina says THANK YOU,
WONDERFUL CHOICES THERE.
THAT IS OUR SHOW FOR TODAY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO WISH YOU
AND YOUR LOVED ONES A
WONDERFUL HOLIDAY FULL OF
FOOD, FUN AND OF COURSE LOTS
OF GREAT READING.

Theme music plays as the end credits roll.

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Host, Tina Srebotnjak.

Contributing Editors, Gerald L’Ecuyer, Antanas Sileika.

Director, Susan Beavan.

Music, Joe Sealy.

Special thanks, International Festival of Authors, Royal York Hotel.

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Watch: Imprint season 12 episode 13