Transcript: Top 10 Stocks, Book Clubs, Movies | Feb 09, 2001

The title “More to money” appears inside the shape of a house.

The opening sequence shows a wooden table with a small lit candle as several words fly by: Investments, careers, finances, pensions and money.

Fast clips show different sets of hands performing activities on the table such as drawing a big red heart, tuning a violin, flipping through the pages of a book, cooking, and pouring a glass of red wine.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: “More to life.”

Karen Horsman sits in a studio with yellow walls and a carved board that reads “More to life” in the background.

Karen is in her late thirties, with short wavy brown hair. She wears a black power suit, a red blouse and a delicate necklace.

Karen says HELLO, I'M KAREN
HORSMAN SITTING IN FOR
MAUREEN TAYLOR.
WELCOME TO “MORE TO LIFE.”
WELL IT'S FRIDAY AND WE LOVE
TO TALK MOVIE AND BOOKS.
LATER ON IN THE SHOW, THOM
ERNST WILL BE HERE WITH HIS
MOVIE PICKS AND HIS TAKE ON
THE MUCH TALKED ABOUT SEQUEL
“HANNIBAL.”
ALSO OUR BOOK CLUB WILL
CONVENE TO HAVE A GOOD CHAT
ABOUT GREAT READS BUT FIRST
WE'LL HAVE OUR OWN VERSION
OF A TOP TEN LIST.
THIS LIST HAS TO DO WITH
STOCKS.
AND ANDREW BELL IS HERE WITH
US.
HE IS A BUSINESS REPORTER
FOR “THE GLOBE AND MAIL,” AND
HE IS GOING TO TALK TO US
ABOUT OUR TOP TEN LIST.
ANDREW, IT'S GOOD TO SEE
YOU.

A caption reads “Andrew Bell. Business reporter.”

Andrew is in his mid-forties, clean-shaven and with short wavy graying hair. He wears a black suit and a white shirt.

Andrew says HI.

Karen says THANKS FOR COMING
IN.

Andrew says MY PLEASURE.

Karen says HOW DID THESE
COMPANIES MAKE THE TOP TEN
LIST.

Andrew says WE WERE
CURIOUS, IT'S R.R.S.P.
SEASON AND MEGA-HYPE.
IT'S A FAIRLY SUBDUED SEASON
BUT EVERYBODY'S WONDERING
WHAT AM I GOING TO DO FOR
THE YEAR 2000?
AND WE WONDER WELL, WHAT
ABOUT STOCKS IN PEOPLE GET
INTIMIDATED.
WHAT STOCKS DO PEOPLE
ACTUALLY OWN?
WE TRIED TO FIND OUT THE TOP
TEN MOST POPULAR STOCKS
AMONG CANADIAN INVESTORS.

Karen says SO NOTHING TO DO
WITH YOU BUSINESS GURUS,
THIS IS WHAT CANADIANS LIKE.

Andrew says YEAH, WHAT
WAS THE PEOPLE'S CHOICE IN
THE EXPERTS ARE USUALLY
WRONG, INCLUDING US, SO WE
DECIDED WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT
ARE THE MOST COMMON STOCK,
BEEN HOLDING IN RECENT YEARS
AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE
SURPRISINGLY DIFFICULT TO
FIND OUT.
YOU KNOW ANECDOTALLY A LOT
OF PEOPLE OWN BCE AND THAT
TRANS CANADA PIPELINES IS
VERY POPULAR FOR THEIR
INCOME.
BUT IT'S -- ACTUALLY GETTING
HARD NUMBERS IS VERY
DIFFICULT.
WE TRIED MERRILL LYNCH, THEY
WOULDN'T TELL US.
IT'S GENERALLY PRETTY
SECRETIVE OUT THERE.
AND IF YOU BUY A STOCK THESE
DAYS, YOU USUALLY BUY IT
THROUGH YOUR BROKER AND IT'S
HELD IN ELECTRONIC FORM.
YOU NEVER GET A SHARES
CERTIFICATE ANYMORE AND SO
OFTEN COMPANIES DON'T EVEN
KNOW WHO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS
ARE.
IN SOME CASES, BUT GENERALLY
IT'S PRETTY INNOCENT.
IT'S AN ELECTRONIC THING ON
THE BROKER'S BOOKS AND THE
COMPANY IS NEVER TOLD.
ANYWAY, WE FINALLY GOT T.D.
WATERHOUSE, FORMERLY T.D.
GREENLINE INVESTOR SERVICES,
CANADA'S BIGGEST DISCOUNT
BROKER, WHAT ARE THE TEN
MOST POPULAR CANADIAN STOCKS
ON YOUR BOOKS AND THEY TOLD
US.

Karen says WERE YOU SURPRISED
WHAT APPEARED?

Andrew says I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED
IN THAT NONE OF THE BIG LIFE
INSURERS SHOW UP, LIKE SUN
LIFE OR MANULIFE BECAUSE
THEY DISTRIBUTED HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF SHARES TO
PEOPLE IN LATE '99 EARLY
2000, SOME OF WHICH HAVE
REALLY DON UP BUT T.D.
WATERHOUSE TEND TO HAVE MORE
ACTIVE, KIND OF OBSESSED
WITH INVESTING TYPES AND
AREN'T GENERALLY BIG HOLDERS
OF THE LIVESTOCKS.

Karen says SO YOU WOULDN'T
SAY THESE ARE THE MAINSTREAM
INVESTORS THEN?

Andrew says WELL, IT'S
TRICKY.
PRESUMABLY IF YOU TOOK THE
WHOLE POPULATION, B.C.E.
MIGHT STILL BE THE MOST
COMMONLY HELD STOCK IN
CANADA.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
AND CERTAINLY THROUGH MUTUAL
FUNDS, BCE, THE ONE OR TWO,
THE TOP STOCK INDIRECTLY
THROUGH MUTUAL FUNDS BUT
CERTAINLY T.D. WATERHOUSE'S
CUSTOMERS REPRESENT A PRETTY
GOOD CROSS SECTION OF THE
INVESTORS IN CANADA.

Karen says AND A WHACK OF
BANKS!

Andrew says HALF OF THE
TOP TEN STOCKS WERE BANKS.
THAT'S A NO-BRAINER.
YOU COULD HAVE GUESSED THAT
THE BIG FIVE, T.D., C.I.B.C.,
ROYAL, BANK OF NOVA SCOTIA
AND B. MO.
ONE OF THE INTERESTING
THINGS, WE OBVIOUSLY DECIDED,
HOW HAVE THESE TEN STOCKS
DONE IN RECENT YEARS AND WE
WERE AMAZED.
ALL OF THEM EXCEPT TRANS
CANADA PIPELINES HAVE BEAT
THE MARKET IN THE PAST FIVE
YEARS.

Karen says WOW!
THAT'S WHAT INVESTORS WANT
TO HEAR.

Andrew says AND IT'S
INTERESTING.
IT SHOWS INVESTORS HAVE BEEN
OWNING GOOD STOCKS OVER THE
PAST FEW YEARS.
ONE THE POINTS WAS TRYING TO
POINT OUT TO PEOPLE LISTEN
TO YOUR INSTINCTS.
YOU KNOW A GOOD BUSINESS
WHEN YOU SEE IT, I MEAN WITH
RESERVATIONS.
BUT YOU'RE SMART, YOU KNOW,
AND DON'T LISTEN TO -- DON'T
TAKE THE MUTUAL FUND
INDUSTRY'S LINE YOU CAN'T
PICK STOCKS YOURSELF.
YOU CAN HAVE A PRETTY GOOD
GO.

Karen says AND WHEN DO YOU
KNOW THAT YOU'RE EITHER
EDUCATED ENOUGH OR HAVE
ENOUGH MONEY TO GO IT ON
YOUR OWN?

Andrew says WELL, I MEAN THE POINT --
THERE IS NO CLEAR LINE, BUT
THERE'S THE FAMOUS STORY
WHICH PETER LYNCH, A
WELL-KNOWN MUTUAL FUND
MANAGER SAID ABOUT CHRYSLER
WHEN THEY TURNED AROUND, I
THINK IN THE EARLY '80s,
THEY CAME BACK FROM THE
BRINK BECAUSE THEY INVENTED
THE MINI VAN WHICH IS
OBVIOUSLY A HORRIBLE
ABOMINATION.

Karen says I LIKE MY MINI
VAN.

Andrew says IT RESCUED CHRYSLER,
APPARENTLY WHAT PETER LYNCH
SAID, THE DEALERS ON THE
CHRYSLER LOTS, WHEN THEY SAW
THESE THINGS COMING IN, THEY
SAID THESE THINGS ARE GOING
TO WIN.
IT TOOK A MUCH LONGER TIME
FOR THE MBAs ON WALL STREET
TO COP ON CHRYSLER WAS
COMING BACK BUT PEOPLE ON
THE STREET NEW BETTER.
PEOPLE ARE PRETTY SMART AND
IT LOOKS LIKE THE PUBLIC
KNOW GOOD COMPANIES WHEN
THEY SEE THEM.

Karen says SO IF YOU WERE TO
GO IT ALONE, WHICH YOU'RE
SUGGESTING YOU CAN DO,
BYPASS THAT BROKER, HOW MANY
HOURS A WEEK WOULD YOU HAVE
TO COMMIT TO IT IN TERMS OF
RESEARCH AND ACTUAL
TRAINING?

Andrew says WELL, REALLY
NOT THAT MUCH.
WELL, TRADING IS PROBABLY A
MUG'S GAME.
ALL THE RESEARCH SHOWS THAT
FREQUENT TRADING, IT RACKS
UP COMMISSION COSTS, BUT
ALSO JUST PSYCHOLOGICALLY
WE'RE ALWAYS SO TEMPTED TO
GET IN, FALL INTO THE MOOD
OF THE MARKET AND SELL WHEN
THINGS ARE CHEAP AND BUY
WHEN THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE SO
REALLY BUY AND HOLD DOES
SEEM TO BE THE BEST WAY TO
GO.
AS FOR PROBABLY AN HOUR A
WEEKS YOU'D GETS BY.

Karen says THAT'S ALL?

Andrew says YEAH, BUT IT DEPENDS WHAT
KIND OF GAINS YOU'RE LOOKING
FOR.
IF YOU'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO
BEAT THE T.S.E. 300 YOU
MIGHT BE ALMOST AS WELL
HOLDING AN INDEX FUND, WHICH
OWNS EVERY STOCK IN THE
MARKET.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO
HOLD JUST A FEW BLUE CHIP
STOCKS, AND YOU ONLY NEED
SEVEN TO HAVE A FULLY
DIVERSIFIED PORTFOLIO COUPLE
OF HOURS A WEEK SHOULD DO
IT.

Karen says SO WE'RE NOT
TALKING A DAY TRADER HERE.

Andrew says NO, THAT'S
NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

Karen says NO, BUT IN TERMS
OF THAT BUY AND HOLD
PHILOSOPHY, COULD YOU
EXPLAIN THAT A BIT MORE?

Andrew says JUST THE
IDEA, YOU BUY STOCKS AND
FORGET ABOUT THEM WHICH IS
EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO.

Karen says FOR HOW LONG?

Andrew says WELL YEARS, REALLY.
WARREN BUFFET, THE FAMOUS
INVESTOR SAID HIS FAVOURITE
HOLDING PERIOD WAS FOREVER.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE --
I'M TALKING ABOUT GROWTH
STOCKS HERE.
WE WERE GLAD THAT SO-CALLED
CYCLES DIDN'T SHOW UP ON THE
LIST.
LIKE A COMPANY LIKE INKO OR
THE BIG NICKEL MINER OR
STELCO, FANTASTIC COMPANIES
BUT TEND TO BE TOTALLY MANIC
DEPRESSIVE IN THEIR EARNINGS,
UP ONE YEAR AND LOSING MONEY
FOR YEARS AS WE GO INTO A
RECESSION.
BANKS PULL THROUGH.
THEY WILL LOSE ONE IN A
RECESSION AND WE'RE PROBABLY
GOING IT SEE THEM LOSE A
LOAD OF MONEY IN THIS
RECESSION, BUT THEY
GENERALLY KEEP THEIR BOTTOM
LINE.

Karen says YOU SAID “THIS
RECESSION” THE AMERICAN ONE
OR THE CANADIAN ONE?
THAT'S THE BIG DEBATE IN THE
FINANCIAL COMMUNITY RIGHT
NOW.

Andrew says YEAH, THAT'S
RIGHT AND THERE'S ALSO A
SPECIAL RECESSION GOING ON
IN THE TECH LAND.
AND TECH LAND IS REALLY
WHAT'S DRIVING THE STOCK
MARKET RIGHT NOW AND DRIVING
MUTUAL FUNDS AND BASICALLY
TELECOM SYSTEMS.
THE WHOLE WORLD IN
PARTICULAR IN NORTH AMERICA
AND EUROPE ARE BUILDING TELE
TELECOMMUNICATES SYSTEMS AT
A FANTASTIC RATE TO CARRY
GROWTH OF THE INTERNET.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE
ARE GOING TO GO ON BUILDING
AT SUCH A GREAT PACE.
FIBER OPTIC TECHNOLOGY IS
GETTING BETTER SO QUICKLY
IT'S LITERALLY DOUBLING IN
CAPACITY AT THE EVERY EIGHT OR
TEN MONTHS.
IF YOU WERE THINKING WELL,
AM I GOING TO SPEND MY
HUNDRED MILLION ON A NEW
TELL COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM
NOW OR SHALL I WAIT A YEAR
WHEN I CAN DO IT FOR HALF
THE COST, PEOPLE TEND TO
WAIT IN WHICH CASE NORTEL
WILL FALL OFF A CLIFF IN
WHICH CASE WATCH OUT.

Karen says RIGHT, WHERE DOES
IT --

Andrew says NORTEL SHOULD PROBABLY BE
FOR YOUR MAD MONEY.
IT'S STILL ABOUT 25 PERCENT WAS TSE
00.
PEOPLE SHOULD KEEP IT TO
FIVE OR TEN PERCENT OF THEIR
PORTFOLIO IN THE SENSE IT'S
SO VOLATILE.
IT'S 40 TIMES EARNINGS.
THAT'S EXPENSIVE.

Karen says NOW MY MAD MONEY,
I ALWAYS THOUGHT YOU COULD
USE TOWARDS THOSE DOT COM
COMPANIES BECAUSE THE
UNCERTAINTY SURROUNDING THEM
AND THERE AREN'T ANY ON YOUR
TOP TEN LIST.

Andrew says NO, BECAUSE
THEY'RE NOT REALLY COMPANIES
THEY'RE JUST CONCEPTS.
THEY'RE JUST LIKE IDEAS.
ALMOST LIKE MAGIC POTIONS.
ALL THE WORLD'S GOLD MINING
COMPANIES BARRICK AND PLACER
DOME, ALL THE SCARY GUYS
THAT RIP THE TOP OFF
MOUNTAINS, FOR SOME REASON
THEY GET AWAY FROM THAT.
ANYWAY, THEY'RE WORTH ABOUT
$25 BILLION BUT IF YOU LOOK
AT ONE U.S. DOT COM
CONSULTANCY LIKE ARIBA, JUST
ONE COMPANY, A FEW PEOPLE IN
CHINOS IN SAN JOSE HAVE A
MARKET CAP OF 25 BILLION.
WELL, MAYBE NOT QUITE, BUT
PRETTY RECENTLY IT DID, SO
WE'RE STILL IN A PRETTY MAD,
PRETTY MAD PHASE OF THE
MARKET.
SO DOT COMS ARE WAY OUT
THERE.

Karen says YEAH, THE WILD
WEST THEY SAY BUT OF COURSE
THERE'S THE ALLURE OF MAKING
THE BIG MONEY.

Andrew says THERE IS AND THAT'S
CASINO GAMBLING AND THIS
STUFF WITH THE TOP TEN
STOCKS, THAT'S MORE BORING.
THAT'S REALLY JUST OLD BUY
AND HOLD AND SLUG IT OUT.
IT DOES SEEM TO WORK OVER
THE LONG-TERM.
I SHOULD HASTEN TO ADD THAT
YOU SHOULD REALLY OWN ABOUT
SIX OR SEVEN STOCKS IF YOU
ARE GOING TO BUY STOCKS
YOURSELF.
MATHEMATICALLY, I MEAN IT
SOUNDS WEIRD BUT YOU ARE
FULLY DIVERSIFIED IF YOU OWN
SIX OR SEVEN STOCKS.
YOU'VE GONE OUT OF THE TYPE
OF MATHEMATICAL RISK THAT
YOU CAN HOLD BY HAVING TOO
SMALL A PORTFOLIO.
BECAUSE EVEN SOMETHING LIKE
NORTEL CAN REALLY BLOW UP.
IF YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING
LIKE LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES IN
AMERICA, WHICH WAS THE TELECOM
MANUFACTURING ARM OF AT and T,
THAT USED TO BE AS RECENTLY
AS '98 THE MOST WIDELY HELD
STOCK IN AMERICA.
MAIN STREET AMERICA, A
ACROSS THE MIDWEST, AND
THEY'VE LOST 80 PERCENT OF THEIR
VALUE IN THE PAST YEAR.
THEY'RE BEING INVESTIGATED
TODAY IT TURNS OUT BY THE
S.E.C. IN AMERICA, THE
SECURITIES REGULATOR FOR
POSSIBLY BOOKING DODGY
REVENUE.
SO THAT'S VERY IGNOMINIOUS
FOR SUCH A WONDERFUL COMPANY
AS THAT.
THEY'VE LOST THEIR LEAD ON
TELECOM.

Andrew says.

Karen says SO IF SOMEONE WAS
TO TAKE YOUR ADVICE, GO SIX
AND SEVEN, SOLID ADVICE,
TAKE THE TOP TEN LIST AND
PICK SIX OFF THE TOP TEN
LIST ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE
THE BIG MONEY?
IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE
RACETRACK AND PICKING THE
SURE WINS.

Andrew says WELL THE PROBLEM IS --
YEAH, I WOULD SAY THE
APPROACH PROBABLY WOULD BE
TO BUY ALL TEN AND THEN IT'S
GOING TO BEG THE QUESTION
WHY NOT JUST BUY AN INDEX
FUND.
THE PROBLEM WITH ALL
INVESTING KNOWLEDGE,
ESPECIALLY GURUS LIKE ME, IT
DEPENDS WHAT ASSUMPTIONS
YOU'RE MAKING AND RISK YOU
WANT TO TAKE ON.
IF THE WORLD MOVES BACK INTO
INFLATION, WHICH SEEMS VERY
UNLIKELY RIGHT NOW, I MEAN,
IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE HEADING
FOR POSSIBLY A DEFLATIONARY
DEPRESSION, MAYBE.
OBVIOUSLY I HAVE A MORBID
CURIOSITY AS TO WHAT THAT'S
GOING TO BE --

Karen says TRUE BUSINESS GUY.

Andrew says YEAH, I'LL
JUST BE AN INVESTMENT
REPORTER THROUGH THE '90s,
KIND OF BORING AND GOOD NEWS
ALL THE TIME.
ANYWAY, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD
BUY AN INDEX FUND.
I MEAN, THAT SHOULD BE THE
CORE OF ANYBODY'S INVESTMENT
PORTFOLIO IS AN INDEX FUND.

Karen says AND THE BASICS TO
LOOK FOR THEN WHEN SIZING UP
A COMPANY AND MAKING A
DECISION.

Andrew says OKAY, RIGHT.
IT SHOULD HAVE REAL REVENUE
AND IT SHOULD BE A BIG
COMPANY.
REALLY, YOU SHOULD INVEST
MOSTLY IN BIG COMPANIES AND
THE REASON FOR THAT IS BIG
COMPANIES WILL HAVE
PROFESSIONAL INVESTOR, BIG
MUTUAL FUNDS, PENSION FUNDS
SO, YOU DO KNOW THAT THE
MANAGEMENT ARE UNDER SOME
KIND OF SUPERVISION, THAT
YOU KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE
BUGGING THEM, PROFESSIONALS
ARE BUGGING THEM ALL DAY.
THESE MUTUAL FUND MANAGERS
AND PENSION FUND MANAGERS
ARE OFTEN REALLY INCREDIBLY
DUMB, AND I'M OFTEN AMAZED.
SOME OF THEM ARE VERY CLEVER
PEOPLE INDEED.
THEY'RE USUALLY VERY WEALTHY
ANYWAY, SO.
HOWEVER, THEY DO TEND TO GET
ANGRY WHEN THEY SEE MANAGERS
LOSING COMPANIES.

Karen says WELL, YOU'VE
INSPIRED ME TO GO ON MY OWN.

Karen says.

Andrew says GOOD.

Karen says THANK YOU FOR
COMING IN.
ANDREW BELL, REPORTER FOR
“THE GLOBE AND MAIL'S” REPORT
ON BUSINESS AND FOR MORE
INFORMATION ON STOCK, READ
AND DRAW'S ARTICLE ONLINE.
YOU CAN FIND IT AT
WWW.GLOBEANDMAIL.COM
AND PLEASE STAY
WITH US.
AFTER THE BREAK WE ARE GOING
IT READ BETWEEN LINES WITH
THE “MORE TO LIFE” BOOK
CLUB.

The show goes to commercial break.

Karen says WELCOME BACK.
WELL, WITH A COUPLE OF
MONTHS LEFT OF THIS COLD,
DAMP, DREARY WEATHER,
THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF TIME
TO CURL UP WITH A GOOD READ.
AND THERE IS NOTHING LIKE
TAKING THAT TRIP TO A
FAR-OFF LAND AND GETTING
LOST IN SOMEONE ELSE'S
INTRIGUING LIFE.
SO WE'VE GATHERED TOGETHER
OUR “MORE TO LIFE” BOOK CLUB
PANEL TO HELP US FORGET
ABOUT THE DREARY WEATHER AND
TAKE A LITERARY ADVENTURE
TODAY.
JEFFERY ANTON IS HERE ALONG
WITH CHARMAIN EMERSON, OUR
REGULAR BOOK CLUB PANELLISTS
HERE ON “MORE TO LIFE.”
AND TODAY WE'RE REVIEWING
THE BOOK CALLED “WHITE
TEETH” BY ZADIE SMITH.
AND FOR SELECTION FOR NEXT
MONTH WE'VE PICKED “THE BEAR
WENT OVER THE MOUNTAIN” BY
WILLIAM KOTZWINKEL AND WE
HAVE FOUR COPIES TO GIVE
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WELCOME TO YOU
BEING BOTH.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING IN
GOD IT SEE YOU BOTH.
LET'S START, CHARMAIN WITH
YOU, “WHITE TEETH” BY ZADIE
SMITH, YOU GIVE US AN
OVERVIEW?

The caption changes to “Charmain Emerson. Book Club.”

Charmain is in her early thirties, with mid-length curly black hair in an afro. She wears black trousers, a red cardigan and a pair of delicate earrings.

Charmain says SURE.
IT'S A STORY ABOUT TWO NORTH
LONDON FAMILIES.
ONE IS A BRITISH MAN NAMED
ARCHIE AND HIS FAMILY AND
THE OTHER ONE IS AN EAST
INDIAN MAN NAMED SAMAD AND
BASICALLY TAKES A LOOK AT
THE COURSE OF THEIR LIFE
OVER THE COURSE OF TWO
GENERATIONS AND WHAT I
THINK'S VERY CLEVER ABOUT
THIS BOOK IS ZADIE SMITH HAS
BROUGHT UP SOME VERY
POLITICAL ISSUES BUT HANDLED
THEM IN A POIGNANT AND FUNNY
WAY.
SHE'S BROUGHT UP ISSUES OF
RACE, OF GENDER, OF HISTORY,
AND OF RELIGION.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT
IS.

Karen says AND JEFFERY WHAT
DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS YOUNG
AUTHOR?
I MEAN, TWENTY-ONE?

The caption changes to “Jeffrey Canton. Book Club.”

Jeffrey is in his mid-thirties, with short receding wavy black hair and a beard. He wears glasses, black trousers and a blue shirt.

Jeffrey says SHE'S
TWENTY-THREE NOW AND WROTE
THE BOOK WHEN SHE WAS
TWENTY-ONE.
IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY
ACHIEVEMENT FOR SOMEONE
WHO'S THAT YOUNG.
I MEAN, WHEN WE -- YOU KNOW,
WHEN YOU LOOK AT OTHER BOOKS
BY YOUNG WRITERS, THEY'RE
RARELY QUITE THIS
ACCOMPLISHED.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS A GREAT
BOOK.
I MEAN, IT'S FUNNY, IT'S
SERIOUS, IT'S SAD, IT'S
POIGNANT, IT'S GOT
EVERYTHING IN IT THAT YOU
COULD POSSIBLY WANT.

Karen says YOU WONDER WHERE A
21-YEAR-OLD HAS THE CAPACITY
TO HAVE SUCH INSIGHT INTO
LIFE IN A HUGE ISSUE LIKE
RACISM.

Charmain says WELL
ONE OF THE THINGS IS FIRST
OF ALL SHE'S A BLACK AUTHOR
SO SHE PROBABLY HAS A LITTLE
BIT OF INSIGHT ON THAT BUT
ALSO LIVES IN LONDON,
ENGLAND ITSELF AND THAT'S
PERHAPS ONE OF THE MOST
MULTICULTURAL CITIES IN THE
ENTIRE WORLD.
AND WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THIS
BOOK IS THAT, I THINK
PERSONALLY, HAVING BEEN BORN
IN LONDON, ENGLAND MYSELF,
SHE'S REALLY TOUCHED ON
ISSUES THAT GO ON THERE
EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AND THE FACT WHAT SHE, FOR
EXAMPLE TAKING A LOOK AT THE
THEME OF CULTURES, SHE'S
MIXED TOGETHER A BRITISH MAN
WITH A JAMAICAN WOMAN.
SO THEREFORE YOU'VE GOT A BI
RACIAL MARRIAGE HAPPENING
RIGHT THERE.
IT HAPPENS IN THE '70s.
NOT PARTICULARLY A TIME WHEN
THINGS ARE GREAT AMONG RACE
RELATIONS FRONT IN LONDON.
IN NORTH AMERICA, ANYWHERE,
REALLY, AT THAT POINT IN
TIME.
BUT SHE TOUCHES, SHE TOUCHES
UPON IT AND THEY SEEM TO GO
THROUGH THEIR LIFE FAIRLY
WELL.
AND THEN SHE BRINGS UP LIFE
AS BEING, WHAT'S IT LIKE
BEING AN EAST INDIAN, WHAT'S
IT LIKE BEING A MUSLIM IN
LONDON AT THE TIME, AND YOU
KNOW, SHE DOES IT WELL.

The caption changes to “Today’s topic. Books: Comments and recommendations.”

Jeffrey says THE THING
I THINK IS THE MOST
INTERESTING ABOUT THIS, YES,
IT IS SET IN LONDON, IT IS
SET AT A SPECIFIC -- BUT IT
COULD BE ANYWHERE.
IT COULD BE NEW YORK.

Charmain says COULD
BE HERE.

Jeffrey says COULD BE
HERE, IN TORONTO.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT IT REALLY IS LOOKING AT
IS THE WAY CULTURAL
INTERACTION TAKES PLACE.
THE WAY MORRAYS CHANGE.
I MEAN FOR EXAMPLE, YES, IT
WAS PROBABLY EASIER FOR, FOR
EXAMPLE, ARCHIE JONES TO
MARRY HIS BLACK WIFE IN
BRITAIN BECAUSE OF THE
CULTURAL CONTEXT THAN IT
WOULD HAVE BEEN SAY HERE IN
NORTH AMERICA, BUT THINGS
LIKE THAT STILL DID HAPPEN.
AND IT'S REALLY INTERESTING
TO WATCH THE CHANGES
CULTURALLY.
BECAUSE THIS IS A NOVEL THAT
MOVES REALLY QUITE
SEAMLESSLY BETWEEN TIMES.
I MEAN, IT STARTS IN THE
'70s BUT IT TAKES A DIP BACK
TO AN EARTHQUAKE IN 1907,
BACK TO AN INDIAN MUTINY IN
THE 1850s I MEAN, AND IT
MOVES AROUND QUITE
BEAUTIFULLY AND REALLY GIVES
YOU A SENSE OF THE WAY TIME
AND CHANGE AFFECTS THE WAY
WE LIVE.

Karen says AND CHARMAIN, AS
YOU SAID, THE OVERWHELMING
THEME IS ABOUT
MULTICULTURALISM AND THE
BLENDING OF THE CULTURES BUT
ALSO RACISM.
AND I'VE JUST CHOSEN A SHORT
PASSAGE, BECAUSE I THINK
THAT THIS ILLUSTRATES THE
BRILLIANCE OF HER WRITING
BUT ALSO WHAT I WAS
MENTIONING TO YOU ABOUT HER
INSIGHT AS A 21-YEAR-OLD,
AND THIS IS, THIS IS
ASTOUNDING, THE WAY SHE
WROTE THIS.
“PLEASE, DO ME THIS GREAT
FAVOUR, JONES” THAT'S ONE OF
THE MAIN CHARACTERS “IF YOU
EVER HEAR ANYONE WHEN WE GO
BACK HOME, IF WE GET BACK TO
OUR RESPECTIVE HOMES, IF YOU
EVER HEAR OF ANYONE SPEAK OF
THE EAST AND HEAR HIS VOICE
REGISTERS HIS TONE IS FULL
OF SADNESS, HOLD YOUR
JUDGMENT.
IF THEY TOLD YOU THEY ARE
ALL OF THIS OR THEY DO THIS,
OR THEIR OPINIONS ARE THESE,
WITHHOLD YOUR JUDGMENT UNTIL
ALL THE FACTS ARE UPON YOU,
BECAUSE THAT LAND THEY
CALLED INDIA GOES BY A
THOUSAND NAMES, AND IT'S
POPULATED BY MILLION.
AND IF YOU THINK YOU FOUND
TWO MEN THE SAME AMONGST
THAT MULTITUDE, THEN YOU ARE
MISTAKEN.
IT'S MERELY A TRICK OF THE
MOONLIGHT.”

Charmain says
EXACTLY.
DON'T GENERALIZE.
DON'T GENERALIZE.

Karen says I DON'T THINK I'VE
EVER HEARD ANYONE PUT THAT
SO BEAUTIFULLY IN TERMS OF
NOT MAKING JUDGMENT.

Jeffrey says BUT
EVEN -- BUT THE INTERESTING
THING IS SAMAD MAY SAY THAT
BUT HE MAKES JUDGMENTS ALL
THE TIME.
I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, HE AND
HIS WIFE HAVE A LITTLE BIT
OF TROUBLE WITH ARCHIE
JONES' BLACK WIFE CLARA, FOR
EXAMPLE, AND THEY ALSO HAVE
TROUBLE WITH WHITE PEOPLE,
TOO.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S
INTERESTING, HE -- I MEAN,
HE MAKES THAT STATEMENT AND
IT SOUNDS VERY NOBLE, BUT
THE WAY PEOPLE REALLY
INTERACT, AND IN FACT THE
ONE FAMILY THAT
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH IS MORE
LIBERAL THAN EITHER THE
JONES OR THE ICHBALS ARE THE
CHARLESTONS WHO ARE THIS
THIRD FAMILY WHO IN THE END
INTERACT WITH THE OTHER TWO.
BECAUSE THEY REALLY DON'T
EVER JUDGE.
I MEAN, AT NO POINT DO THEY
MAKE, YOU KNOW -- THEY'RE
ACTUALLY THIS HIPPIE COUPLE
WHO'VE NOW BECOME SORT OF
MORE ESTABLISHED IN THE, AS
THE '80s AND '90s TAKE
PLACE.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ACTUALLY
THE MOST LIBERAL OF ALL.

Karen says SAMAD, ONE OF THE
KEY CHARACTERS WHO IS INDIAN
AND DESPERATELY WANTS HIS
TWIN BOYS TO EMBRACE HIS
CULTURE AND NOT TO BE
TAINTED BY WESTERN
INFLUENCE --

Charmain says OOPS.

Karen says CHARMAIN, MAYBE
YOU COULD HANDLE THAT.

Charmain says WELL
BASICALLY HE HAS THESE TWIN
BOYS AND YES, HE VERY MUCH
WANTS THEM TO BE EAST INDIAN
AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN,
AND HE SENDS ONE OF THEM
AWAY, IN FACT, HOPING THAT
HE CAN REALLY HANG ONTO THE
CULTURE AND WHAT REALLY
HAPPENS IS ONE OF THE TWINS
COMPLETELY GOES OFF THE DEEP
END AND BECOMES THIS
MILITANT PUNKER WHO SMOKES
MARIJUANA AND BASICALLY
LIVES THIS LIFE THAT IS NOT
WHAT HE WANTS HIS SON TO BE
ALL ABOUT AT ALL.

Jeffrey says AND THE
SAME BOY CHANGES HIS TUNE
AND BECOMES A MILITANT
PROPONENT OF ISLAM BY THE
END OF THE NOVEL.
SO HE MAY BE
DISAPPOINTING IN ONE
WAY -- I THINK WHAT IT SAYS
MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS
THAT CHILDREN CAN NEVER BE
WHAT THEIR PARENTS WANT THEM
TO BE.

Karen says AND THE IRONY OF
SENDING ONE AWAY SO THAT HE
CAN GO TO INDIA AND BE A
PART OF THAT CULTURE --

Jeffrey says WELL,
THAT'S IT.
HE COMES BACK MUCH MORE
WESTERNIZED AND IN FACT HE
FITS IN PERFECTLY.

Charmain says
PERFECTLY.

Karen says WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT “WHITE TEETH,” A BOOK
THAT ALL THREE OF US ENJOYED
VERY MUCH, THOUGH WE ALL
AGREE IT'S A LITTLE LONG BUT
IT'S WORTH THE INVESTMENT OF
TIME, BY ZADIE SMITH.
WE'RE TAKING YOUR CALLING,
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BOOK
ITSELF BUT ALSO
RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE “MORE
TO LIFE” BOOK CLUB BECAUSE
THERE'S NOTHING LIKE A GOOD
READ.
SO HERE ARE OUR NUMBERS.
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LET'S GO TO MARG WHO'S
CALLING IN FROM MISSISSAUGA.
HI MARG.

The caller says OH, IT'S MARY.

Karen says OH, MARY.
HI MARY.

Mary says HI.

Karen says HI.

Mary says I'M READING THE
BOOK “WHITE TEETH” AND FROM
THE VERY BEGINNING, EVERY
TIME THEY BRING UP ARCHIE'S
CHARACTER, I KEEP THINKING
OF WILLIE LOMAN FROM DEATH
OF A SALESMAN.
AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF
ANYONE ON THE PANEL SAW ANY
CONNECTION THERE LIKE THAT.

Karen says OH, THAT'S A GREAT
COMPARISON.

Charmain says THAT'S
VERY ASTUTE.
I AGREE.

Jeffrey says I'M NOT
SURE THAT HE'S QUITE THE
SAME TYPE OF CHARACTER AS
WILLIE LOMAN, BUT HE IS OF
THAT TYPE.
THE FAMILY MAN WHO WANTS TO
PROVIDE FOR HIS FAMILY.
IN A FUNNY WAY, SAMAD IS AS
WELL.
I MEAN, THEY'RE BOTH SORT OF
DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE SAME
COIN, AND IT IS AN
INTERESTING WAY THAT, YOU
KNOW, THAT PATRIARCHAL
ATTITUDE THAT THEY TAKE.
BUT UNLIKE WILLIE LOMAN, FOR
EXAMPLE, ARCHIE'S WIFE CLARA
IS FAR MORE REBELLIOUS UNDER
THE SURFACE.

Karen says AND INTERESTING,
AND YET WE DON'T GET ENOUGH
OF HER.

Jeffrey says
FASCINATING, YEAH.

Charmain says THAT
WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY CRITICISMS.
I DON'T WANT TO RUIN IT FOR
YOU, MARY, BUT YOU KNOW,
THAT WAS ONE OF MY
CRITICISMS WAS THAT CLARA
WAS NOT DEVELOPED ENOUGH FOR
ME.
SHE SORT OF ENTERS THE NOVEL
AS THIS TALL, RADIANT,
BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMAN OF
JAMAICAN BACKGROUND,
TOOTHLESS -- AND WE FIND OUT
WHY LATER ON.
BUT THEN I DON'T FIND THAT
ZADIE SMITH TOOK US ANY
FURTHER INTO CLARA.

Jeffrey says BUT I
THINK THAT'S PART OF THE WAY
THE NOVEL WORKS, AND THAT'S
THE ONE THING I REALLY
ADMIRED ABOUT IT, IS THAT IN
THE SAME WAY THAT YOU AS AN
INDIVIDUAL DON'T KNOW
EVERYTHING ABOUT THE PEOPLE
AROUND YOU, THAT'S WHAT THIS
NOVEL DOES, TOO.
IT PLAYS WITH THAT IDEA.
IT GIVES YOU LITTLE INSIGHTS
INTO THEM AND THEN PULLS
AWAY --

Charmain says PULLS
BACK.

Jeffrey says -- AND
PUSHES BACK.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT
DIFFERENT STRANDS -- I MEAN,
ULTIMATELY THE NOVEL ENDS UP
TALKING ABOUT THE CHILDREN
AS OPPOSED TO THE PARENTS.

Karen says RIGHT.

Jeffrey says AND SO
THINGS GET LOST.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE
WAY -- AND I THINK THAT'S
THE WAY IT IS IN REAL LIFE,
AND THAT'S WHAT IN FACT I
ADMIRED THE MOST ABOUT THE
BOOK, THE FACT THAT IT
REALLY GAVE YOU A REAL SENSE
OF THESE CHARACTERS.
DIDN'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING
YOU WANTED TO KNOW.

Karen says LEFT A LOT TO THE
IMAGINATION.

Jeffrey says THAT'S
RIGHT, EXACTLY.

Karen says EVEN THOUGH WE'RE
TALKING A BOOK OF GREAT
COMPLEXITY.
LET'S GO TO DONNA WHO'S
CALLING IN FROM TORONTO.
HI DONNA.

Donna says HI, HOW ARE YOU.

Karen says GOOD, THANKS.

Donna says FIRST TIME I'VE
WATCHED YOUR SHOW, I REALLY
APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I LOVE
A GOOD BOOK.
I JUST FINISHED HANNIBAL BUT
BEFORE THAT I FINISHED
ROHINTON'S MYSTERIES, A FINE
BALANCE.

Karen says WE'RE GOING TO
TALK ABOUT HANNIBAL SECOND
SEGMENT.
STAY WITH US.
BUT THE OTHER ONE?

Donna says RONINTON MYSTERIES.

Jeffrey says HE'S
CANADIAN.

Donna says AND IT'S
FANTASTIC, ABOUT THE INDIAN
CULTURE, EAST INDIAN CULTURE
BASED IN 1970, AND YOU
REALLY GET TO ADMIRE PEOPLE
THAT HAVE COME FROM A
DIFFERENT COUNTRY AS
CANADIANS THAT DON'T KNOW
HOW GOOD WE HAVE IT UNTIL WE
READ A BOOK LIKE THAT.

Charmain says
EXACTLY.

Donna says AND I'M LOOKING
FORWARD TO READING THE BOOK
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

Karen says THANKS FOR CALLING
IN.
THE AUTHOR DONNA'S TALKING
ABOUT, HE'S A YOUNG RISING
STAR, ISN'T HE, IN THE
COUNTRY?

Jeffrey says HE'S
CERTAINLY BEEN AN AUTHOR WHO
HAS ESTABLISHED HIMSELF OVER
THE LAST TEN YEARS WITH TWO
COLLECTIONS OF SHORT FICTION
AND A VERY FINE NOVEL.
YOU KNOW?
AND HE'S CERTAINLY, HE
CERTAINLY IS ONE OF THE MOST
MULTICULTURAL OF OUR
WRITERS.

Charmain says AND HE
WRITES -- ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT I LIKE ABOUT HIM, AND I
LOVED THAT BOOK, FINAL
BALANCE, I READ THAT AND IT
TOOK ME OVER THE COURSE OF A
SUMMER BECAUSE IT'S A BIG,
THICK READ.
BUT WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THAT
IS YOU'RE IN INDIA AND HE
DOES -- HE REALLY PAINTS THE
TALE.
IT'S VERY VIVID.
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE THERE.
YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE PART OF
THE CHARACTERS THAT HE
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TALKS
ABOUT AND THAT'S ONE THING I
REALLY APPRECIATE AND A GOOD
AUTHOR.

Karen says LET'S LOOK AT SOME
OF YOUR OTHER PICKS.
JEFFREY?

Jeffrey picks a book form the coffee table with a picture of a wealthy woman with a cat on the cover,

Jeffrey says
ABSOLUTELY.
WELL I BROUGHT A FABULOUS
AUTOBIOGRAPHY.
IT'S CALLED “THE CRACK IN
THE TEACUP.”
IT'S BY A TORONTO
PSYCHOLOGIST, STORYTELLER
AND WRITER JOAN BODGER AND
IT'S A LOOK AT HER LIFE, A
LIFE THAT SHE SAYS IS IN THE
SUBTITLE OF HER BOOK,
“SEEPED IN STORY.”
AND JOAN WAS ONE OF THE
FOUNDERS OF THE STORY
TELLER'S SCHOOL OF TORONTO.
SHE'S BEEN A TEACHER, A
LIBRARIAN, AND SHE'S SHARING
HER LIFE'S JOURNEY WITH US.
AND THIS IS AN AMAZING
AMAZING BOOK.
BOTH FOR ITS POIGNANCY.
I MEAN, IT'S A LIFE THAT HAS
LOTS OF DOWNS, AS WELL AS
UPS.
AND IT'S JUST BEAUTIFULLY
WRITTEN, BECAUSE SHE'S WOVEN
IN THE IDEA OF STORY AND HOW
STORY AND STORYTELLING DO --
ARE REFLECTED IN OUR LIVES
AND IN THE WAY THAT WE, THE
WAY THAT WE LIVE.
AND IT'S A PHENOMENAL BOOK.

Karen says IT SOUNDS
INTERESTING.
NOW BEFORE I GET TO ONE OF
CHARMAIN'S, I WANT TO GO TO
MAUREEN, CALLING IN FROM
ETOBICOKE.

Maureen says HELLO, I WAS
TAKEN UP WITH THE TITLE OF
THAT BOOK.
IT'S MOST UNUSUAL.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHY IT'S
CALLED “WHITE TEETH.”

Jeffrey says IT'S
HORRIFIC.
THAT IS THE MOST FRIGHT
SPENDING THING ABOUT THIS
BOOK.
“WHITE TEETH” REFERS TO THE
WHITE TEETH OF BLACKS --

Charmain says BLACK
PEOPLE.

Jeffrey says OF BLACK
PEOPLE THAT AN OLD COLONEL
IS TALKING ABOUT IN -- HE'S
SHOOTING AT THESE ALLIES OF
THE GERMANS, PROBABLY IN
AFRICA, AND HE'S TALKING
ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU
KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THE WHITE
TEETH AND THE DARK --

Charmain says AT
NIGHT TIME.

Jeffrey says AT NIGHT.
AND I MEAN IT IS A HORRIFIC
IMAGE.

Karen says THAT'S THE WAY HE
IDENTIFIES HIS VICTIMS, IS
THAT HE KNOWS THE BLACKS
WITH THEIR WHITE TEETH HE
KNOWS TO SHOOT AT THEM AND
HE SAYS “SOMETIMES I GET IT
WRONG, BUT IT'S OKAY.”

Jeffrey says THAT'S
RIGHT, AND IT IS, OF COURSE,
THAT OLD STEREOTYPE.

Charmain says YEAH,
IT COMES UP -- IT COMES UP A
LOT BASICALLY IN BLACK
CULTURE.
YOU KNOW, BLACK CULTURE
MIXED WITHIN WHITE CULTURE.
THEY SAY OH, YOU CAN ALWAYS
SPOT A BLACK AT NIGHT TIME
BECAUSE YOU JUST ALWAYS
TELL BY THE WHITE OF THEIR
TEETH.

Karen says AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL
BY THE WAY SHE USES THE
SECOND GENERATION FOR THIS,
THE CHILDREN EXPERIENCING
THIS.
BUT THE WAY SHE DESCRIBES,
THE CRAZY PEOPLE ON THE
STREET YOU CAN IDENTIFY
BECAUSE THEY WALK AROUND
BABBLING AND THEY'RE MAD,
BUT IT'S THE -- THE MOST
TERRIFYING IS THOSE THAT YOU
CAN'T RECOGNIZE.
AND AGAIN, INCREDIBLY
POWERFUL.

Jeffrey says MMM.
AND THAT SCENE WITH THE
COLONEL IS UNBELIEVABLE.

Charmain says YEAH,
IT'S A GOOD SCENE.

Jeffrey says AND THE IMAGE IS
A FABULOUS ONE,
BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES SHOW
OUR OWN PREJUDICES FOR WHAT
THEY ARE.
AND HOW SIMPLISTIC THEY ARE
AND YET HOW DEVASTATING THAT
SIMPLICITY IS.

Charmain says WHICH
SHE DOES THROUGHOUT THE BOOK
AND DOES IT VERY, VERY WELL
BECAUSE WHILE SHE TOUCHES
UPON THESE VERY SERIOUS
ISSUES SHE THEN COMES UP
FROM BEHIND WITH A JOKE
WHICH KEEPS IT VERY LIGHT
AND FUN.
WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
BECAUSE SHE SAYS HERE IT IS,
WE'VE GOT A SERIOUS ISSUE
AND THEN SHE MOVES ON TO SAY
BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S
SOMETHING ELSE.
WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD WAY
TO HANDLE IT.

Karen says THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR BOOK
HERE ON THE “MORE TO LIFE.”
BOOK CLUB.
IT'S WHITE TEETH BY ZADIE
SMITH.
AND WE'RE TAKING YOUR
QUESTIONS, ALSO
RECOMMENDATION, A GOOD READ
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ESTHER IS CALLING
IN FROM LONDON NEXT.
HI ESTHER.

Esther says HI THERE.

Karen says HI.

Esther says HI, HOW ARE YOU?

Esther says FINE, THANKS.

Esther says MY COMMENT WAS THE
SAME AS LAST CALLER THERE.
WHY THE, WHY THE,
YOU KNOW, THE NAME OF THE
BOCK, AND IT'S JUST BEEN
EXPLAINED, AND THE OTHER
BOOK THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED,
“THE BEAR WENT OVER THE
MOUNTAIN,” REALLY SEEMS
INTERESTING TO ME.

Karen says THAT'S FOR NEXT
MONTH.

Esther says YES, IT IS, AND
I'M CERTAINLY LOOKING
FORWARD TO READING BOTH OF
THESE BOOKS.
MY READING EXPERIENCE HAS
BEEN PRETTY TAME.
I SEEM TO HAVE STUCK WITH
THE AUTHORS I KNEW LIKE
CATHERINE SCOMPOOK SON AND
MAEVE BINCHY.

Karen says MAEVE BINCHY IS
INCREDIBLY POPULAR, YEAH.

Esther says AND I TOTALLY
ENJOYED ALL OF THOSE AND I'M
ACTUALLY READING THE
AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF MAEVE
BINCHY, AND ANGELA'S ASHES
WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT I HAVE
READ, AND REALLY TOOK ME A
LONG TIME TO READ THAT
BECAUSE IT WAS VERY
DEPRESSING.

Karen says I HAD A HARD TIME
GETTING THROUGH THAT, TOO,
ESTHER.

Esther says YES, HAVING
KNOWN -- EXPERIENCING SOME
OF WHAT WAS BEING WRITTEN IN
THAT BOOK.
AND MY NEXT ONE I WOULD LIKE
TO READ IS “TIS” WHICH IS
THE LEAD-UP OF ANGELA'S
ASHES.

Karen says WELL, ESTHER,
YOU'VE GIVEN US A LOTS
TO THINK ABOUT AND TALK
ABOUT.
THANKS FOR CALLING IN.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAEVE
BINCHY AGAIN.
WHAT DO THE TWO OF YOU THINK
OF HER?
I FOUND HER A LITTLE TOUGH
TO READ.
A LITTLE WORDY.

Jeffrey says WELL IT'S
NOT REALLY THE TYPE OF BOOK
THAT I NORMALLY READ, BUT
HER BOOKS ARE AMAZINGLY
POPULAR, AND CERTAINLY SHE
SEEMS TO HAVE TOUCHED A REAL
CHORD IN HER READERS, AND IN
FACT, YOU KNOW, HER
ANNOUNCEMENT THAT SHE'S
PUBLISHING ONE MORE BOOK AND
THEN THAT'S IT REALLY
SHOCKED A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
REALLY HAVE COME TO KNOW AND
LOVE THE FICTIONAL WORLDS
THAT SHE'S CREATED.
AND I MEAN, CERTAINLY
THEY'RE VERY VIVID PICTURES
OF, YOU KNOW, OF --

Karen says IRELAND, USUALLY.

Charmain says AND
IT'S FUNNY YOU SAY YOUR
MOTHER-IN-LAW READS IT
BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE THE
PUBLIC TRANSIT ANYWHERE IN
THE CITY AND TAKE A LOOK AT
WHAT PEOPLE ARE READING,
YOU'LL FIND A LOT OF THE
READERS, OR AT LEAST I'M
SEEING, A LOT OF THE READERS
OF MAEVE BINCHY ARE OF THE
MOTHER-IN-LAW AGE GROUP, AND
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT
THAT'S TYPICAL OR NOT --

Jeffrey says WELL, I
THINK IT'S THE TYPE OF BOOK
THAT APPEALS TO A CERTAIN
AGE GROUP BECAUSE THEY'RE
NOT PARTICULARLY PORTRAITS
OF THE WORLD AS IT IS.
IT'S OFTEN, YOU KNOW, A
LITTLE BIT REMOVED.

Karen says AN ESCAPISM.

Jeffrey says THAT'S
RIGHT.
OH ABSOLUTELY.

Karen says AND A LOT OF TIMES
IT'S IN IRELAND AND MY
MOTHER-IN-LAW'S BRITISH, AND
YOU'RE RIGHT IT DOES -- THE
OLDER SET MAY ENJOY IT.

Jeffrey says I THINK
SO.
I THINK IT'S JUST GEARED TO
A SLIGHTLY OLDER READER.

Karen says YEAH?

Jeffrey says THAT
DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOUNGER
READERS WOULDN'T LIKE IT,
TOO, BUT I THINK IT
PRIMARILY ATTRACTS --

Karen says AND YOU EITHER
LIKE IT OR NOT.

Charmain says RIGHT.

Karen says I WANT TO BRING
DONNA IN.
SHE'S CALLING FROM
SCARBOROUGH NEXT.
HI DONNA.
HI, GO AHEAD DONNA.

Donna says I'M READING
SISTERS IN THE
WILDERNESS, THE LIVES OF
SUZANNA MOODY --

Karen says WE JUST MISSED THE
TOP OF YOUR TITLE?

Donna says YEAH, OKAY
SISTERS IN THE WILDERNESS,
THE LIVES OF SUZANNA MOODY
AND CATHERINE PAR-TRAIL,
WRITTEN BY CHARLOTTE GREY,
AND IT REMINDED ME OF A
CANADIAN LIT COURSE I TOOK YEARS
AGO, SUZANNA --

Karen says SO DID I!
I READ THAT IN MY CANADA LIT
COURSE AND…

Donna says IT'S BEEN
METICULOUSLY RESEARCHED AND
IT'S ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING
TO READ ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT
THEIR LIVES WERE.
AND I THINK ANYONE WOULD
REALLY ENJOY THIS.

Karen says THAT BOOK WAS
WRITTEN UP A LOT WHEN IT WAS
FIRST RELEASED.
I MEAN, MAYBE IT WAS BECAUSE
OF CANADIAN HISTORY OR THE
PUBLICATIONS LIKE McLEANS
COVERED IT --

Jeffrey says AND I
THINK, TOO, CHARLOTTE GREY
FIRST OF ALL WAS A WONDERFUL
RIGHT WRITE HE, BUT SECOND
OF ALL, I MEAN, THESE ARE
TWO FIGURES WHO REALLY DID
MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY
THAT WE SEE CANADA AND
REALLY SHAPED OUR LITERATURE
IN MANY WAYS.
I MEAN, ROUGHING IT IN THE
BUSH IS THE SEMINOLE BOOK
ABOUT --

Charmain says
CANADIAN IN A.

Karen says I DIDN'T REALIZE
IT HAD BEEN SO MANY YEARS,
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE
I WAS IN SCHOOL BUT --

Jeffrey says IT'S
FASCINATING --

Karen says TO BE HONEST?
ROUGHING IT IN THE BUSH WAS
REALLY BORING.
AND REMARKABLE AND I DON'T
WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT
SHE WENT THROUGH BUT THE
READ WAS A LITTLE --

Jeffrey says IT'S
INTERESTING.
OFTEN WHEN YOU READ A BOOK
LIKE THAT AT THE AGE YOU'RE
AT, YOU'RE NOT READY FOR IT.
AND IT'D BE INTERESTING TO
SEE IF YOU WENT BACK TO IT
NOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
I WOULD AGREE, I THOUGHT IT
WAS ABSOLUTELY TEDIOUS BUT
I'VE READ EXCERPTS OF IT
SINCE IN OTHER CONTEXTS.
FOR EXAMPLE MARGARET ATWOOD
REFERS TO IT IN ALIAS GRACE
AND IT REALLY DOES PIQUE
YOUR CURIOSITY IN A
DIFFERENT WAY.
SO MAYBE 18 YEARS LATER,
THAT'S IT.
BECAUSE SHE'S NOT A YOUNG
WOMAN WHEN WRITING THIS
BOOK.
IT'S A LOOK BACK AT A
TERRIBLY DIFFICULT TIME.
AND I WONDER IF WE WOULDN'T
BE MORE SYMPATHETIC NOW.
(LAUGHING)

Karen says WELL THAT'S A VERY
GOOD POINT.
I JUST WANT TO GET BACK TO
WHITE TEETH JUST FOR A
MOMENT CHARMAIN WHAT IS IT
ABOUT SALMAN RUSHDIE, THE
FACT THAT HE'S QUOTED IT,
“AN ASTONISHINGLY DEBUTED
SERIES IT HAS BITE.”
WHAT'S THE TIE-IN WITH
SALMAN RUSHDIE WITH ZADIE
SMITH?

Charmain says I'M NOT SURE, EXCEPT THE
FACT THAT HE LIVES IN LONDON,
ENGLAND.
I KNOW THIS BOOK, WHITE
TEETH, IS SIMILAR TO ANOTHER
EAST INDIAN AUTHOR NAMED
HANIFF KARISHI WHO WROTE
“THE BUDDHA OF SUBURB I
CAN'T” AND EXAMINES LIFE IN
NORTH LONDON BUT TAKES A
MORE CLOSER LOOK ON AN EAST
INDIAN FAMILY AND OF COURSE
THERE'S A SON WHO'S A
CENTRAL CHARACTER, A RADICAL,
VERY MUCH LIKE THE RADICAL,
ONE OF THE RADICAL TWINS IN
“WHITE TEETH.”

Karen says IS THAT BEING
COMPARED TO SALMAN RUSHDIE'S
STYLE --

Charmain says NO, SHE'S BEEN REFERRED
TO BEING SORT OF CLOSE TO
HEMMING WAY.
I MEAN, I COULDN'T BELIEVE
THAT!
AND I THOUGHT COME ON, I
DON'T THINK SO!
NOT YET!

Jeffrey says I THINK
IT'S MORE, I THINK IT'S MORE
BECAUSE RUSHDIE HIMSELF HAS
WRITTEN ABOUT -- “MIDNIGHT'S
CHILDREN” LOOKS AT THE WAY
DIFFERENCES PLAN -- A LOT OF
RUSH DE'S WORK HAS LOOKED AT
THE ENTER PLAY BETWEEN LIFE
IN CULTURES IN ENGLAND AND
INDIA AND HE IS THE FOREMOST,
YOU KNOW, INDIAN NOVELIST OF
OUR TIME.
AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW,
HE'S SLOTTED IN THAT WAY.
AND I WOULD AGREE.
HANIFF KARISHI WOULD BE MUCH
CLOSER TO WHAT SHE IS
WRITING.
HE'S ALSO THE FELLOW WHO DID
THE SCREEN PLAYS FOR MY
BEAUTIFUL LAUNDRETTE AND
SAMMY AND ROSIE GET LAID.
AND SO IT'S MORE IN THAT
STYLE AND YOU KNOW, MORE A
PICTURE OF LONDON IN THE
'70s AND '80s, BUT I THINK
THAT RUSHDIE'S COMMENT IS
MORE THAT HE IS SUCH AN
IMPORTANT WRITER OF THE
TIME.

Karen says IT INTRIGUED ME
AND ALSO OF COURSE ELEVATE
THIS IS FIRST TIME
NOVELIST --

Charmain says AND TO
HAVE HIM ON THERE AS AN
ENDORSEMENT THAT HEY, THIS
HAS GOT TO BE A PRETTY GOOD
BOOK IF SALMAN RUSHDIE'S
ENDORSING IT.

Karen says HALL OF FAME ME
FROM OTTAWA?
HI AMY.

Amy says HI.
I WAS CALLING TO COMMENT ON
A BOOK THAT I JUST READ.
“I THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY” BY
VANESSA ALLEYNE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW IT'S
PRONOUNCED.
BUT I BUMPED INTO IT AT A
SECOND-HAND STORE AND TRIED
TO GET COPIES OF IT FOR THE
REST OF MY FRIENDS, AND
ESPECIALLY PEOPLE I KNOW
WHO'S DEALING WITH CHILD
SEXUAL ABUSE, AND MY
QUESTION WAS WHY IS IT SO
DIFFICULT FOR US TO FIND
BOOKS BY CANADIAN AUTHORS
LIKE THIS AUTHOR, THAT IS
JUST SO MEANINGFUL AND JUST
SUCH A GREAT READ AND SO
HELPFUL, WHEN WE SEE SO MANY
AMERICAN AUTHORS ON SHOWS
LIKE YOUR, AND OTHERS THAT
WE COVER IN CANADA.

Karen says I'M GUESSING YOU
BOTH HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT
THAT.

Charmain says
ACTUALLY WE'VE COVERED A LOT
OF CANADIAN AUTHORS ON THIS
SHOW, WHICH I'M QUITE PROUD
OF, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT
OF TERRIFIC CANADIAN
AUTHORS.
IN FACT OUR LAST BOOK PICK
WAS WAYNE JOHNSON'S “COLONY
OF UNREQUITED DREAMS,
ACCOUNTS WHICH IS REALLY A
TERRIFIC BOOK SO THERE'S A
PLACE WHERE YOU COULD START.
DAVID ADAMS RICHARD WHO WON
THE GELLER PRIZE AND TIED IT
WITH MICHAEL ANDACHEY HAS
COME UP WITH A WONDERFUL
BOOK CALLED “MERCY ABOUT THE
CHILDREN.”
AND IT'S A REALLY TERRIFIC
BOOK.
WE'VE GOT SO MANY
WONDERFUL --

Karen says AND A LOT OF THE
AUTHORS, SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE
OBVIOUSLY DEFENDING
OURSELVES BUT A LOT OF THE
AUTHORS THAT COME THROUGH
HERE ARE CANADIAN.
BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING IN TERMS OF FINDING
THEM ON OUR BOOK SHE HAVES
AND THAT WE ARE INUNDATED
WITH AMERICAN PUBLICATIONS.

Jeffrey says WELL, WE
ARE, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, MY
FEELINGS ABOUT THE
PARTICULAR BOOK THAT AMY'S
TALKING ABOUT IS THAT IT
POSSIBLY HAS GONE OUT OF
PRINT, WHICH IS WHY IT'S NO
LONGER ON THE SHELVES.
I MEAN, THERE ISN'T A
BOOKSTORE IN CANADA THAT
DOESN'T STOCK EVERY
SIGNATURE CANADIAN TITLE
THAT COMES OUT.
I MEAN, THERE'S -- YOU KNOW,
CANADIAN BOOKS JUST HAVE TOO
MUCH CACHE IN CANADA AND IN
THE WORLD BEYOND, YOU KNOW,
TO BE IGNORED IN THAT WAY.
AND SO I CAN ONLY ASSUME
THAT THAT BOOK HAS GONE OUT
OF PRINT IN WHICH CASE, THEN
I'D SAY TRY YOUR LOCAL
LIBRARY.
BECAUSE THEY'RE A FABULOUS
RESOURCE FOR FINDING THE
TITLES THAT ARE NO LONGER
ACCESSIBLE.

Karen says AND THE BIG BOOK
STORES ARE REALLY HELPFUL.
I HAD A BOOK FROM THE
LIBRARY, IT WAS A CHILDREN'S
BOOK I LOVED SO MUCH I
WANTED TO PURCHASE AND THEY
GO TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH
TO SEARCH THEIR DATABASES
AND ONLINE TO FIND THE BOOK
FOR YOU.

Charmain says AND
THERE'S ALSO CANADIANNA
SECTIONS WITHIN THE BOOK
STORES, SO --

Jeffrey says IT IS
HARD, BECAUSE BOOKS DO TEND
TO GO OUT OF PRINT FASTER
NOW AMY THAN THEY EVER HAVE
BEFORE.
OFTEN A BOOK WILL BE
PUBLISHED IN SEPTEMBER AND
BY THE FOLLOWING SEPTEMBER
IF IT DOESN'T GO INTO -- IF
A BOOK DOESN'T GO INTO
PAPERBACK, IT IS OFTEN LOST.
AND THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF
THE DILEMMA LIVING IN THE,
YOU KNOW, IN 2001.
BUT I WOULDN'T DESPAIR ABOUT
OUR CHOICES.
I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE THE BOOK
I JUST TALKED ABOUT CRACK IN
THE TEACUP IS BY A TORONTO
WRITER, AND SO THERE'S LOTS
OF THEM.

Karen says WE LOVE OUR
CANADIAN AUTHORS HERE.

Jeffrey says WE DO!

Karen says CHARMAIN, YOUR
PICK NEXT?

Charmain says OKAY,
MY PICK IS NOT A CANADIAN
AUTHOR, A CHILE ANNE AUTHOR,
VERY FAMOUS, ISABELLE
ALLENDE, HER LAST BOOK WAS
“DAUGHTERS OF FORTUNE” WHICH
WAS A REALLY WONDERFUL BOOK
THIS I SELECTED PARTICULARLY
BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO
VALENTINE'S DAY, WHICH IS
NEXT WEEK, AS WE ALL KNOW.
IF THERE'S SOMEONE SPECIAL
IN YOUR LIFE, A LITTLE
SWEETIE, YOU SHOULD GET THEM
“APHRODITE” PUBLISHED BY
HARPER COLLINS.

She picks the book from the coffee table. On the cover, a naked native woman with her arms crossed on her chest stand in front of a table full of fruits and vegetables.

Charmain says IT'S A GREAT READ.
THE VERY BACK OF THE BOOK IS
ALL RECIPES CONTAINING
APHRODISIACS.
SO IF YOU NEED TO SPICE UP
YOUR LIFE A LITTLE BIT, THIS
IS WHERE YOU SHOULD START.
BASICALLY SHE TAKES YOU
THROUGH AND CATEGORIZES YOUR
FOOD.
SHE TALKS ABOUT HERB, SHE
TALKS ABOUT FRUIT AND
VEGETABLES AND THEY'RE ALL
APHRODISIACS, WHAT SHE
BELIEVES ARE APHRODISIACS
AFTER HAVING DONE QUITE A
BIT OF RESEARCH AND TAKES A
LOOK AT THEM AND SAYS THIS
IS WHERE YOU CAN FIND THEM
IN OR AT YOUR LOCAL GROCERY
STORE SO IF YOU WANT TO
CREATE THAT WONDERFUL
ROMANTIC DINNER THEN HERE IS
WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO PUT
THE SPICE BACK IN YOUR LIFE
AGAIN.
AND IT'S A GREAT READ.

Karen says I'VE GOT MY CHOICE
NOW.
I CHOSE A CHILD'S BOOK
BECAUSE I'M REALLY INTRIGUED
BY THIS ONE.
“TELL ME AGAIN ABOUT THE
NIGHT I WAS BORN” BY JAMIE
LEE CURTIS, THE HOLLYWOOD
ACTOR.
I PICKED IT UP BECAUSE I
DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS ABOUT
ADOPTION.

She holds a book with a small child in king’s costume staring at a starry night thorough his bedroom window.

Karen says I THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT
TELLING YOUR CHILDREN OVER
AND OVER AGAIN THE STORY
THEY LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT WHEN
THEY WERE BORN AND GOT INTO
IT AND REALIZED IT WAS
GEARED TOWARDS PARENTS WHO
HAVE ADOPTED IN A WAY TO
HAVE THIS OPEN DIALOGUE
ABOUT HOW IT IS THAT THEY
CAME TO BE THEIR PARENTS.
IT'S ABOUT THE BIRTH OF A
CHILD BUT ALSO ABOUT THE
BIRTH OF A FAMILY.
I JUST THOUSAND IT WAS
EXCEPTIONAL IN TERMS WHAT
HELPING WITH WHAT CAN BE A
VERY DIFFICULT STORY TO
TELL.
SO TELL ME AGAIN ABOUT THE
NIGHT I WAS BORN IS BY JAMIE
LEE CURTIS.
I'VE GOT THE WIN, DONNA,
MAUREEN, ESTHER AND AMY,
CONGRATULATIONS, YOU GET A
COPY OF “THE BEAR WENT OVER
THE MOUNTAIN” WHICH IS GOING
TO BE OUR NEXT SELECTION AND
I REALLY ENJOYED MEETING
BOTH OF YOU.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING
IN.
JEFFERY CANTON, ALONG WITH
CHARMAIN EMERSON, HAS
REGULAR PANELLIST.
THE NEXT TIME WE MEET TO
TALK, HERE'S THE BOOK TITLE
AGAIN.
WE'D LOVE FOR TO YOU READ IT
AND THEN GIVE US YOUR
FEEDBACK.
“THE BEAR WENT OVER THE
MOUNTAIN” BY WILLIAM KOTZWINKLE
AND NEXT WE HAVE A DELECTABLE
MOVIE BYTE FOR YOU.
IT'S THE NEW MOVIE “HANNIBAL.”
AND THOM ERNST WILL BE HERE
WITH HIS MOVIE REVIEW.

A clip of the movie rolls. A caption reads “His genius, undeniable. His evil, unspeakable. His name, Hannibal.”

Clarice says THE PERSON I'M LOOKING
FOR, HE'S QUITE WELL KNOWN.
HE'S KILLED 14 PEOPLE.
THAT WE KNOW OF.

A male voice says DO YOU THINK HE MIGHT
COME AFTER YOU?

Clarice says WELL, AT LEAST 30 SECONDS
EVERYDAY.

A phone rings.

Clarice says HELLO?

Hannibal says IS THIS CLARICE?
WELL, HELLO, CLARICE.

Hannibal says I HAVE BEEN IN A STATE OF
HIBERNATION.
I NEED SOME ACTION, CLARICE.
I NEED TO COME OUT OF
RETIREMENT AND RETURN TO
PUBLIC LIFE.
I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE
I HAVE BEEN ELEVATED TO THE
TEN MOST WANTED LIST.

A man on the phone says I HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT
HANNIBAL LECTER.

On a wheelchair, Hannibal says OH HO HO HO!
FANTASTIC.

Clarice says over the phone YOU'RE TRYING TO CATCH
HIM YOURSELF, AREN'T YOU.
HE KILLED THREE POLICEMEN
WHILE IN CUSTODY.
BURNED THE FACE-OFF ONE OF
THEM AND HE WILL KILL YOU,
TOO!

Hannibal says YOU NAUGHTY GIRL!

Suspenseful music plays.

A caption reads “How long can a man stay silent before he returns to the thing he does best.”

Hannibal says I MUST CONFESS TO YOU,
I'M GIVING VERY SERIOUS
THOUGHT.
TO EATING YOUR WIFE.

Karen says WHOA!
THOM ERNST IS HERE WITH HIS
WEEKLY MOVIE PICKS ON “MORE
TO LIFE.”
WE LOVE TO TALK FILMS ON FRIDAY.
THOM, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

The caption changes to “Thom Erns. Movie Buff.”

Thom is in his early forties, clean-shaven and with short wavy graying hair. He wears glasses, dark trousers and a beigey gray shirt.

Thom says GOOD TO SEE
YOU.

Karen says THIS IS SOMETHING
ELSE.
THAT WAS A POWERFUL TRAILER.
HOW DOES IT MEASURE UP TO
THE FIRST MOVIE SILENCE OF
THE LAMBS.

Thom says PEOPLE ARE
OBVIOUSLY GOING TO WANT TO
COMPARE IT TO THE FIRST.
THE FIRST ONE WAS SHOT
PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT
FORWARD.
IT WAS PRETTY MUCH AN
INTELLECTUAL FILM IN MANY,
MANY WAYS.
THIS IS A THRILLER IT.
DOESN'T SET OUT TO BE
ANYTHING ELSE BUT A
THRILLER.
RIDLEY SCOTT SHOT THIS ONE,
JONATHAN DEMY DID THE FIRST
ONE.
AND HE IS VERY HIGHLY
STYLIZED AS YOU SAW FROM THE
TRAILER THERE.

Karen says JODIE FOSTER IS NOT IN
THIS ONE.
IT'S GETTING A LOT OF THE
TALK --
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE
CONTROVERSY OF HER TAKING A
PASS.

Thom says I HEARD SHE
REFUSED TO DO IT, A I HEARD
SHE REFUSED TO DO SEQUELS.
THEN I HEARD IT WAS THE
VIOLENCE IN THE SECOND ONE
WHAT SHE TOOK EXCEPTION TO.
AND THEN I ALSO HEARD THAT
THERE WAS, YOU KNOW,
PROBLEMS BETWEEN RIDLEY
SCOTT AND JODIE FOSTER THAT
THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO
WORK TOGETHER.

Karen says AND THAT WAS ALSO
SAID IN TERMS OF THE
PRODUCER AND THE FILMMAKERS
THIS THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT
SHE WAS SEXY ENOUGH.
AND IT'S HARD FOR THE PUBLIC
TO HAVE A CHANGE IN TERMS OF
STARLING WAS JODIE FOSTER,
CLARICE WAS JODY FOSTER AND
NOW IT'S JULIANNE MOORE
BUT IT'S A SEXED UP CLARICE
IN THIS ONE, SO MAYBE SHE'S
A BETTER FIT.

Thom says THEY DO PLAY HER SEXIER.
SHE'S MORE VULNERABLE THIS
THIS ONE THAN SHE WAS IN THE
FIRST AND THERE IS AN
ELEMENT OF PASSION BETWEEN
HANNIBAL AND STARLING THAT IS
RESERVED BUT IT'S STILL
THERE.
AND THEY DO MAKE GREAT USE
OF JULIE ANNE MOORE'S ASSETS
IN THIS FILM.

Karen says WELL THERE WAS A
DANCE BETWEEN JODIE FOSTER
AND ANTHONY HOPKINS IN THE
FIRST TWO THAT BORDERED ON
THAT BUT LET'S HAVE A LOOK
AT ANOTHER CLIP IN THE MOVIE
TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT
THOM'S TALKING ABOUT.

The clip rolls.

Hannibal has a man hand tied and mouth taped.

A cellphone rings in one of his pockets.
Hannibal says OH, IT'S NOT YOUR HEART.
WELL, SHOULD I ANSWER IT?

Clarice says I'VE SPOKEN TO YOUR
SECTION CHIEF.
SOME DAY YOU'LL THANK ME OR
YOU WON'T.
AND I DON'T CARE.
YOU'LL BE ALIVE.
INSPECTOR POTSIE?

Hannibal says IS THIS CLARICE?
WELL HELLO, CLARICE.
I'M AFRAID I HAVE BAD NEWS
FOR YOU.

Clarice says IS HE DEAD?

Hannibal says DID YOU GET MY NOTE?
I HOPE YOU LIKED THE SKIN
EXTREME.
I HAD IT SPECIALLY MADE FOR
YOU.

Clarice says IS HE DEAD, DOCTOR LECTER?!

Hannibal says CLARICE THERE IS NOTHING
MORE IN THIS WORLD I WOULD
LOVE MORE THAN BEING ABLE TO
CHAT WITH YOU.
UNFORTUNATELY YOU'VE CAUGHT
ME AT AN AWKWARD MOMENT.
PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
SEE YOU AROUND.

He hangs up on her and says
AN OLD FRIEND.

Karen says HE LOOKS AS OUT STANDING
THERE AS HE WAS IN THE FIRST
IN TERMS OF NAILING THE
CREEPINESS OF HIS DELIVERY.

Thom says HE'S HAVING A LITTLE MORE
FUN WITH THIS ONE, TOO,
BECAUSE HE'S ALLOWED TO GO
OVER THE TOP AND HE USES
THAT WHOLE PERSONA WHICH HE
CREATED SO WELL IN THE FIRST
ONE AND JUST CARRIES IT
THROUGH IN THIS ONE.
THIS ONE IS ALMOST A
SCHLOCKIER VERSION OF THE
FIRST BUT AS I SAY, IT'S
INTENDED TO BE A THRILLER
AND IT CERTAINLY WORKED ON
ME.

Karen says WE HAD ONE CALLER
WHO PHONED IN EARLIER ON WHO
SAID SHE READ HANNIBAL IN THE
BOOK CLUB AND I'VE READ IT
AS WELL.
HOW MUCH DOES IT STRAY FROM
THE BOOK?

Thom says FROM WHAT I
UNDERSTAND IT KEEPS ALMOST
VERBATIM TO THE BOOK.
THE BOOK WAS HIGHLY
CRITICIZED TOO BY A LOT OF
PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ITS
VIOLENCE AND I REMEMBER
READING A GREAT DEAL ABOUT
THAT.
NOW I HEAR THAT IT TAKES ITS
LEAVE OF THE NOVEL TOWARDS
THE END.

Karen says AND THAT THE
ENDING IS COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT.

Thom says THAT'S WHAT I
DO UNDERSTAND.

Karen says THEY DO THINGS
LIKE THAT WITH THE MOVIE
VERSUS THE BOOK IT WILL
BRING US TO THE FILM,
INSTEAD OF THINKING I'VE
SEEN IT -- OH, I KNOW IT IN
MY MIND.
IT'LL BRING US TO THE FILM.

Thom says WELL I STILL DIDN'T SEE
THE ENDING OF THIS FILM.

Karen says OH, DIDN'T YOU?
HOW BAD IS THE VIOLENCE IN
THIS?
JUST SO WE'RE RAD.

Thom says I FIND THAT IT'S
INTERESTING IF YOU LOOK AT
THE WARNING, MOST PLACES IT
SAYS WARNING, SCENES OF
NUDITY AND VIOLENCE.
THIS ONE SAYS GRUESOME
VIOLENCE, NOT EVEN EXTREME
VIOLENCE, GRUESOME.
WHICH IS THE BEST WORD TO
DESCRIBE THIS MOST OF US
HAVE READ THE STARS AT THE
PREMIER, MANY OF THEM GOT UP
AND WALKED OUT AND IT IS, IT
IS EXTREME BUT THERE IS A
GIDDINESS ABOUT THE WHOLE
THING.
YOU KNOW THERE IS A
PLAYFULNESS, AND WE OF
COURSE KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T
REAL AND --
BUT YES, I WOULD BE VERY
CAUTIOUS ABOUT TAKING ANYONE
YOUNGER THAN 14 AND PERHAPS
YOU WOULD HAVE TO KNOW YOUR
CHILD VERY WELL BEFORE YOU
WOULD ESCORT THEM TO THIS
FILM.

Karen says WHEN YOU HEAR IT
DEBUTED ON OPENING NIGHTS
WHERE CELEBRITIES THERE TO
WATCH THE FILM ARE GETTING
UP AND LEAVING THAT MADE A
LOT OF PEOPLE WONDER ABOUT
HOW BAD IT REALLY IS.

Thom says I THINK THE
FIRST FEW THAT GO OUT TO SEE
THIS FILM ARE GOING TO BE
SHOCKED BY THE VIOLENCE, THE
EXTREME AND APTLY DESCRIBED
GRUESOME VIOLENCE.
I THINK AS TIME GOES ON,
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START
GOING “WELL, IT WAS OVER THE
TOP.
IT WASN'T REAL, HOW COULD
YOU POSSIBLY BE AFFECTED BY
IT?”
BUT WHEN IT FIRST HITS
YOU...

Karen says WOULD YOU COMPARE
IT TO FILMS LIKE FARGO AND
THE WOOD CHOPPER WE HEARD SO
MUCH ABOUT OR THE GLADIATOR
OR FILMS WE SEE WHERE
THERE'S OVERT VIOLENCE?

Thom says WELL FARGO, THE FIRST
EXAMPLE YOU USED NO, WITH
THAT, WE HEARD THE
WOODCHOPPER, WE KNEW WHAT
WAS GOING ON, DIDN'T SEE IT.
AND GLADIATOR IT WAS SORT OF
COMBAT WHICH WE KIND OF
UNDERSTOOD.
THIS IS A VIOLENCE THAT
STEPS WAY BEYOND THAT, A
VIOLENCE WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND,
A VIOLENCE OF COURSE THAT
ONLY BELONGS TO SOMEONE WHO
HAS OF HANNIBAL LECTER'S
MAKE-UP.

Karen says LET'S MOVE TO YOUR
VIDEO PICK, A LITTLE LIGHTER
AFFAIR.

Thom says DEFINITELY.
DEFINITELY.
I SAW DOCTOR T AND THE WOMEN.
ROBERT ALTMAN'S MUCH
CRITICIZED FILM, IT'S JUST
BEEN RELEASED ON DVD AND
VIDEO THIS WEEK.

Karen says IN TERMS OF THE
STARRING ROLE, RICHARD GERE,
HOW IS HE IN IT AND WHAT'S
THE PREMISE OF THE FILM?

Thom says WELL, HE'S A VERY
ATTRACTIVE GYNAECOLOGIST IN
THIS FILM WHICH HAS ALL OF
HOLLYWOOD BREAKING DOWN ITS
DOOR.
NOW, I DID NOT THINK THAT
HAPPENED.
I THOUGHT FOR A MOMENT, OKAY, --
IS HE A GYNAECOLOGIST OR
PLASTIC SURGEON?
BUT HE IS VERY, VERY POPULAR,
HAS ALL THESE WOMEN IN HIS
OFFICE, CAN'T DEAL WITH THE
WOMEN IN HIS LIFE AT HOME.
THE PROBLEM IN THE FILM, OR
AT LEAST THE CRITICISM WITH
THE FILM IS THAT EVERY WOMAN
EXCEPT FOR HELEN HUNT IS
UNSTABLE.
AND RICHARD GEER IS IN THE
MIDST OF IT.
:LET'S HAVE A LACK AT A CLIP
OF IT.
WE'VE GOT “DOCTOR T. AND THE
WOMEN.”
LET'S GET A FEEL FOR IT.

Richard Gere and Helen Hunt’s characters play golf.

He says YOU'RE AMAZING.
I HAVE NEVER SEEN A WOMAN
LIKE YOU.
I GOT IT.

She says REALLY.

He says REALLY.

He says HEFR?

He says NEVER SEEN A WOMAN LIKE YOU.

She says LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING,
YOU SEE WOMEN ALL DAY,
EVERYDAY.
HOW DO THEY KEEP FROM JUST
RUNNING TOGETHER?

He says I THINK EVERY SINGLE
WOMAN I HAVE EVER MET'S GOT
SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT HER,
SOMETHING THAT SETS HER
APART FROM THE REST.

She says WELL, A GYNAECOLOGIST SAYS
THERE'S NO TWO ALIKE I GUESS
THERE'S NO TWO ALIKE.

Karen says WELL, HELEN HUNT,
NOT BAD, GOOD LINE.
HOW DO YOU THINK THIS
COMPARES TO OTHER ALTMAN
FILM THE?

Thom says WELL, I'M AN ALTMAN FAN
AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU
CAN SEE, HE EITHER WINS OR
HE LOSES.
THIS ONE DOES THE MIRACULOUS
THING OF FALLING IN BETWEEN
WINNING AND LOSING FOR
ALTMAN.
IT HAS THE SAME SORT OF
RAMBLING, MINI
MINI ---MANY-CHARACTERED
MULTI LAYERED THEMES, BUT
THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS TIME
WE HAVE ONE CENTRAL
CHARACTER, WHICH IS RICHARD
GERE TO THAT EVERYTHING SORT
OF PIVOTS AROUND AND THAT'S
UNUSUAL FOR ALTMAN.

Karen says IS HE GOOD?
RICHARD GERE IN THIS?

Thom says I THINK HE'S GOOD.
RATHER CONVINCING AS AN
ATTRACTIVE GYNAECOLOGIST.
HE PLAYS GOLF QUITE WELL AND
HE HAS, HE HAS THAT SORT OF
BUDDHIST HEART, HIS
CHARACTER, WHICH WE KNOW
RICHARD GEER APPARENTLY DOES
IN REAL LIFE, TOO.

Karen says AND HE IDOLIZES
WOMEN AND HE IS SPOUSES TO
OTHERS WOMEN SHOULD BE
CHERISHED AND TREATED WITH
GREAT RESPECT.

Thom says ABSOLUTE HE, HE SPOUSES
THESE PHILOSOPHIES, MOMENT
BY MOMENT HE SAYS THESE
THING, DESPITE HOW THE WORLD
IS FALLING AROUND HIM.
OF COURSE HE'S THE SAME MAN
IN A CLUSTER OF CRAZY WOMEN
AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO SEE
THAT IN A FILM.
ALTHOUGH IT CAN BE QUITE
AMUSING AT TIMES, YES, YOU
ARE AWARE THIS WOULD HAVE
PLAYED MUCH BETTER IN THE LATE '70s
THAN IN THIS DECADE.

Karen says SO WE'VE GOT
SOMETHING SPECIAL HAPPENING
ON SATURDAY NIGHT AT THE
MOVIES.
HOW DOES THAT WORK?

Thom says WE'RE DOING A THEME
CALLED “MOVIES WE LOVE” AND
TWO LOVE STORIES, FAR FROM
THE MADDENING CROWD AND
FRENCH LIEUTENANT'S WOMAN,
AND THE INTERVIEW SEGMENT IS
WE HAVE ALL OUR ACTORS AND
PERFORMERS, AND DIRECTORS,
TALKING ABOUT THEIR
FAVOURITE MOVIES AND VOTING
WHICH IS THEIR MOVIE THAT
THEY LOVE AND WE'RE INVITING
THE AUDIENCE TO PARTICIPATE,
TOO.
AND THEY CAN DO THAT THROUGH
E-MAIL.

Karen says IS IT A LOVE
THEME?
DOES IT HAVE TO BE CENTRED
AROUND VALENTINE'S DAY?

Thom says ANY MOVIE AT ALL.
AS A MATTER OF FACT THE
MOVIES MENTIONING QUITE
RARELY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
WITH LOVE.
KING KONG MAKES ITS
APPEARANCE AND SEVERAL OTHER
THINGS.
THAT'S A LOVE STORY.
BUT YEAH, SO IT'S ONE OF THE
FIRST TIMES WE HAVE AUDIENCE
PARTICIPATION AT SATURDAY
NIGHT AT THE MOVIES, SO
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

Karen says THREE JUMP TO MIND,
WHEN HARRY MET SALLY, ALL
TIME NUMBER ONE ON THE TOP
TEN LIST.
BAREFOOT IN THE PARK, AND
FANTASIA.

Thom says THOSE ARE SOME VERY GOOD
CHOICES.

Karen says YOU LIKE THEM?

Thom says I DO LIKE THEM.

Karen says GIVE ME YOUR --

Thom says NO, NO.
AS SOON AS YOU DO THAT AND
YOU MENTION A FILM SOMEONE
HATES THEY GO “HOW COULD YOU
MENTION THAT AS YOUR
FAVOURITE?!”
SO I'M GOING TO E-MAIL MINE
IN.

Karen says YOU BE SECRETIVE.
BIG DEBUT OF HANNIBAL TONIGHT
TO CANADIAN AUDIENCE, AND
BEWARE OF THE VIOLENCE.

Thom says AND ALSO
DON'T LOOK TOO DEEP INTO THE
FILM.
IT IS JUST A THRILLER.

Karen says ALL RIGHT, THOM
THANKS VERY MUCH.
WE'VE GOT THAT E-MAIL
ADDRESS I'M GOING TO GIVE
OUTS IN A MOMENT GOOD TO SEE
YOU.

Thom says YOU, TOO.

Karen says THOM ERNST IS OUR
REGULAR MOVIE BUFF HERE ON
“MORE TO LIFE” AND REVIEWS
MOVIES FOR US.
YOU CAN VOTE FOR YOUR
FAVOURITE MOVIE BY ENDING AN
E-MAIL TO:
WWW.FAVOURITE@TVO.ORG
AND FOR MORE OF THOM'S
REVIEWS CHECK OUT:
WWW.TVO.ORG/MORETOLIFE
THAT'S IT FOR
TODAY'S SHOW.
TOMORROW GET ALL THE LATEST
ON YOUR PEARLY WHITES WITH
YOUR DENTAL EXPERTS AND ON
MONDAY BACK LIVE WITH
DOCTOR RICHARD CASEY.
HE'LL BE HERE TO DISCUSS
EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO
KNOW ABOUT UROLOGY BUT YOU
MIGHT HAVE BEEN TOO
EMBARRASSED TO ASK.
I'M KAREN HORSMAN, THANKS SO
MUCH FOR WATCHING AND HAVE
GREAT WEEKEND.

Music plays as the end credits roll.

Host and producer, Maureen Taylor.

Executive producer, Patricia Ellington.

Director, Vivien Kingsland.

The logo for CEP Local 72m appears.

A production of TV Ontario.

Copyright. The Ontario Educational Communications Authority 2001.

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