Transcript: Juicing, Anger Management | Jan 23, 2001

Maureen appears in the studio next to a basket of fruits and
vegetables and a juicer.

Maureen says IN A FEW MINUTES WE WILL BE TAKING YOUR CALLS ABOUT
MANAGING ANGER
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A HEALTH ISSUE WE ARE ABOUT TO MEET DON, HE HAD
NO FAMILY
HISTORY OF HEART DISEASE AND HE HADN'T SMOKED IN FOURTEEN YEARS AND
HE WASN'T
OVERWEIGHT SO HOW DID HE END UP WITH A HEARTATACHE, ANGER.

A clip shows a stoplight and cars on the street and has in large
block letters “Why Your Rage is Killing You. Enough to drive you
crazy.” This changes to a black and white clip with motorist in a
car hitting the dashboard with rage.


A guy with grey hair sits at a table with his back to the camera
wearing a blue jacket and glasses.

Don says WHEN I WAS IN TRAFFIC I USED TO GET IRRITATED WHEN PEOPLE
WERE IN FRONT OF ME. I'D BE CONSTANTLY- I'D SPEED. IF SOMEONE CUT ME
OFF I WOULD BE VERY AGITATED I WOULD TRY TO EVEN UP THE SCORE.

A caption appears and it reads “Marsha Stoik. Stress Management
COunsellor.”

Marsha is in her fifties and has short blonde hair. She wears a
black blazer over a black shirt.

Marsha says YOUR FEELING ANGRY BECAUSE YOU'RE IN TRAFFIC AND YOUR
HELD UP. FIRST OF ALL PHYSICALLY WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHEN YOUR
FEELING ANGRY? ARE YOU GRIPPING THE WHEEL WITH TEN TIMES THE
STRENGTH THAT IS REQUIRED ARE YOU CLENCHING YOUR TEETH ARE YOU
CURSING THE GUY AHEAD OF YOU?

The caption changes to “Don. Cardiac Patient.”

Don says I WAS ANGRY, A PERFECTIONIST. VERY DEMANDING OF MYSELF AND
OTHERS. I WAS ALWAYS IN A HURRY TO DO THINGS AND GET TO PLACES.

The caption changes to “Dr. Jane Irvine. Psychologist.”

Dr. Irvine is in her fifties and has short pixie cut blonde hair,
small hoop earrings, red lipstick and she wears a light pink blouse.

Dr. Irvine says ANGER AND ANXIETY ARE SORT OF OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE
SAME RESPONSE TO THREAT. SO WHEN YOUR UNDER THREAT OUR BODIES ARE
VERY MUCH LIKE THE PRIMITIVE SYSTEM THAT WE HAD BACK IN THE CAVEMAN
DAYS. SO FIGHT IS THE ANGER RESPONSE SO WHAT HAPPENS IS
YOUR BODY GETS PREPARED FOR FIGHT.

A motorist sits in his car and hits the steering wheel and an
animated map of the cardiovascular system is shown in red and blue.

The Female Narrator says IN THE FIGHT OR FLIGHT RESPONSE OUR BODY
RELEASES HORMONES LIKE ADRENALINE INTO THE CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM SO
THAT WE CAN RESPOND QUICKLY TO
A PERCEIVED THREAT.

Dr. Irvine says SO YOUR HEART RATE INCREASES SO YOUR BLOOD CAN BE
MOVED AROUND YOUR BODY EFFICIENTLY YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE GOES UP AND
YOUR BLOOD ALSO GETS SHUNTED SO THERES FASAL DIALATION IN SOME AREAS
OF YOUR BODY SUCH AS AROUND YOUR HEART AND WORKING MUSCLES SO YOU
HAVE EXTRA FUEL EXTRA OXIGEN TO THOSE AREAS THAT YOU NEED DURING THE
FLIGHT RESPONSE.

A close up of red veins shows a thickening of the blood.

The Female Narrator says AT THE SAME TIME YOUR BLOOD THICKENS TO
PREVENT BLOOD LOSS BUT THAT CAUSES BUILD UP OF PLAQUE IN THE
ARTERIES AND WEAR AND TEAR OF THE VESSELS.

Dr. Irvine says IF THAT HAPPENS AT A POINT WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE A
HARDENING OF THE ARTERIES THEN WHAT YOU COULD HAVE IS AN ACUTE
RESPONSE IS A PLAQUE RUPTURE IN
OTHERWARDS SOMETHING WILL RUPTURE OUT OF YOUR ARTERY OR OUT OF YOUR
BLOOD INTO YOUR ARTERY AND CAUSE A BLOCKAGE IN THAT ARTERY AND THAT
COULD CAUSE A HEART ATTACK OR CARDIAC ARREST.

A fast clip shows a man hitting his steering wheel and then scenes
from the motorway and changing traffic lights.

Don says I WAS FEELING CONSTANT CHEST PAINS VERY VERY FREQUENTLY.
WHEN I WAS DRIVING AND WHEN I WAS WORKING. I USED TO GET PAINS DOWN
MY ARMS AND THIS IS WHAT REALLY ALARMED ME YOU KNOW BECAUSE THESE
ARE CLASSIC SYMPTOMS OF CARDIAC PROBLEMS.

The Narrator says DON HAD NO OTHER RISK FACTORS FOR HEART DISEASE
BUT HE DID HAVE A TYPE A PERSONALITY.

Dr. Irvine says THE FACT THAT KEEPS COMING OUT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
FACTOR IN TYPE A THAT INCREASES THE RISK OF HEART DISEASE IS THIS
ANGER AND HOSTILITY AND WHAT THAT IS QUICK TEMPERED MORE LIKELY TO
EXPRESS YOUR ANGER OUTWARDS GREATER INTENSITY OF ANGER AND THIS
SENSE OF CHRONIC SENSE OF HOSTILITY.

A fast clip shows several article about behavioral counseling.

The Narrator says IN ONE STUDY OF MORE THEN 16 HUNDRED CARDIAC
PATIENTS THE RISK FOR A HEART ATTACK IS ALMOST THREE TIMES GREATER
WITHIN TWO HOURS OF AN ANGRY EPISODE.

Don says I KEPT GETTING THESE PAINS AND THEY KEPT GETTING WORSE AND
I DIDN'T CORRELATE THE PAINS WITH ANGINA BECAUSE THERE WERE NO
FAMILY HISTORY OF WAS THIN, MY CHOLESTEROL LEVELS WERE FINE, I WAS
ASSURED THAT, NO, YOU KNOW,IT WAS NOT HEART RELATED.

The Narrator says IN SPITE OF BEING LOW
RISK FOR HEART DISEASE, DON
ENDED UP WITH QUADRUPLE BYPASS SURGERY.

Dr. Irvine says PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE ANGRY
HAVE DOUBLED THEIR RISK
OF HAVING HEART DISEASE.
THERE HAVE EVEN BEEN STUDIES
IN MIDDLE AGED MEN, FOR
EXAMPLE THAT FOUND IF
YOU'VE GOT A BACKGROUND OF
ATHLEROSCLEROSIS ALREADY IN
YOUR SYSTEM THAT THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE MORE ANGRY HAVE A
SIX TIMES GREATER CHANCE OF
HAVING A STROKE.

Dr. Irvine is shown giving a man blood pressure checks in a clinic.

The Narrator says Dr. JANE IRVINE IS A
PSYCHOLOGIST AND RESEARCHER
SPECIALIZING IN HEART
DISEASE AT TORONTO GENERAL
HOSPITAL.
HER WORK LOOKS AT THE
CORRELATION BETWEEN ANGER
AND HEART DISEASE.

Dr. Irvine says WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE
IS WHETHER OR NOT PATIENTS
WHO HAVE THIS SORT OF EITHER
IRRATABILITY OR ANGER ARE THE ONE
WHOSE ARE MORE LIKELY TO
SHOW RE-OCCLUDED EVENTS IN
THE WAY OF HAVING ANOTHER
HEART ATTACK, MAYBE NEEDING
ANOTHER ANGIOPLASTY OR NEEDING
BYPASS SURGERY.

Maureen says THE GOOD NEWS IS
THAT RESEARCH SHOWS THAT
PEEP WHO HAVE HAD A HEART
ATTACK CAN DECREASE THEIR
RISK IF THEY'RE GIVEN ANGER
MANAGEMENT TRAINING.

Dr. Irvine says THERE IS EXCITING
EVIDENCE IN TERMS OF
INTERVENTION RESEARCH.
SO FAR A LOT OF THESE ARE
SMALL SCALE STUDY, BUT SOME
EXCITING STUDIES SUGGESTING
THAT YOU CAN TEACH PEOPLE
ANGER MANAGEMENT SKILLS.
YOU CAN TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO
BE MORE ASSERTIVE SO
THAT THEY DON'T BLOW THEIR
STACK SO TO SPEAK AND GET
HOT AND INTENSE WITH THEIR
ANGER.

Maureen says MARSHA STOIC IS AN ANGER MANAGEMENT COUNSELLOR WHO
TEACHES PEOPLE
CHANGE THEIR AUTOMATIC, ANGRY RESPONSES.

Maureen says HOW DO YOU LET GO OF THE
TENSION?

Marsha says WELL FIRST OF ALL YOU MIGHT
BEGIN BY LETTING GO OF THE
PHYSICAL TENSION.
HOLD ONTO THE STEERING WHEEL
DIFFERENTLY.
YOU CONSCIOUSLY SEPARATE
UPPER AND LOWER TEETH
SLIGHTLY SO THERE'S NO
TENSION AT THE HINGE OF YOUR
JAW.
AND ALSO YOU BRING TO MIND
WHATEVER YOU MIGHT HAVE
DEVELOPED AS A RELAXATION
CUE OR A STATEMENT TO
YOURSELF, A PERSONAL
REMINDER.
THE RELAXATION RESPONSE CAN
BE GENERATED IN SEVERAL
WAYS.

Marsha sits in her office next to a table with a computer across
from a client
who is speaking about their anger.

Marsha says IT CAN BE GENERATED THROUGH
IMAGERY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF I AM
THINKING OF MYSELF IN AN
ASPECT OF MY LIFE THAT I
FIND VERY CALMING OR A FEEL
COMPETENT, WHERE THINGS ARE
HUMMING ALONG, THAT WILL BE
REFLECTED IN PHYSICAL
CHANGES.

Dr. Irvine says ALL RIGHT, NOW JEFF, I'M
GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH A
BRIEF RELAXATION EXERCISE SO
YOU GET THE FEELING OF
RELAXATION THAT YOU CAN
CORRECT THAT MORE RELAXED
POSTURE AND STATE OF MIND.

Marsha speaks to the client as he closes his eyes and tries to
relax.

Marsha says I CAN GENERATE THE
RELAXATION RESPONSE THROUGH
SOMETHING CALLED PROGRESSIVE
MUSCLE RELAXATION OR P.M.R.
IN WHICH I EXAGGERATE
TENSION IN A MUSCLE GROUP IN
ORDER TO FATIGUE THE MUSCLE
FIBRES, THEY LET GO, I THEN
EXPERIENCE WHAT RELAXATION
IS ON A PHYSICAL LEVEL AND I
KNOW HOW TO CORRECT TO A
MORE RELAXED POSTURE.
I CAN GENERATE THE
RELAXATION RESPONSE THROUGH
SOMETHING CALLED AUTOGENICS
OR SELF SUGGESTION WHERE I
FOCUS ON A CERTAIN PART OF
MY BODY AND I REPEAT WORDS
THAT HAVE TO DO WITH WARMTH
AND HEAVINESS.
SO THE THEME OF WARMTH AND
HEAVINESS FOCUSED ON THAT
BODY PART WILL ACTUALLY MAKE
CHANGES.

Dr. Irvine says THEN ANOTHER IMPORTANT
ELEMENT OF THE THERAPY IS
TEACHING EXPRESSION SKILLS,
COMMUNICATIONS SKILLS.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET ANGRY
BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THE
ASSERTIVE RESPONSE.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO
ASSERT THEIR RIGHTS IN A WAY
THAT ISN'T ANGER PROVOKING
OR ISN'T IN AN ANGRY WAY.

Marsha says AND IN INTERPERSONAL
TERMS IT'S OFTEN A BIG PLUS.
THEY'RE FUNCTIONING BETTER ON
THE JOB, THEIR RELATIONSHIPS
ARE BETTER, THEIR INTERNAL
SELF-TALK IS BETTER.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PLUSES
FOR MANAGING -- LEARNING TO
MANAGE ANGER MORE
EFFECTIVELY.

Maureen appears back in the studio.

Dr. Jennings appears in the studio she is in her forties and has
short blonde
hair that is pulled up half way. She wears earrings and a grey
blazer with a
black blouse.

Maureen says AND HEART
DISEASE IS JUST ONE OF THE
HARMFUL EFFECTS OF ANGER.
ROAD RAGE, AIR RAGE AND
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CAN PUT
MANY PEOPLE IN PHYSICAL
DANGER.
KATHRYN JENNINGS IS AN ANGER
MANAGEMENT COUNSELLOR WHO
RUNS A CLINIC IN TORONTO.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT
HOW TO DEAL WITH YOUR ANGER
OR THE ANGER OF SOMEONE
AROUND YOU, GIVE US A CALL.

A caption appears and shows two different numbers.

Maureen says IN TORONTO DIAL (416)484-2727. IF YOU'RE CALLING LONG
DISTANCE IT”
A FREE CALL 1-888-411-1234.AND YOU CAN ALSO SIT DOWN AND TYPE OUT
YOUR QUESTION
AND e-mail IT TO MORETOLIFE@TVO.ORG.
AND KATHRYN, WELCOME
TO THE PROGRAMME.
HI.

Dr. Jennings HI.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

Maureen says HOW MANY PEOPLE
COME TO YOU AFTER THEY'VE
HAD A SCARE LIKE DON IN THAT
PIECE?
A SCARE OF A HEART ATTACK,
SAY?

The caption changes to “Kathryn Jennings. Anger Management
Counsellor.”

Dr. Jennings IF
IT'S A PHYSICAL TYPE OF A
SCARE, I WOULD SEE LESS OF A
NUMBER OF CLIENTS FROM THAT
END OF IT.
I SEE MORE CLIENTS WHO HAVE
EITHER BEEN MANDATED THROUGH
THE COURT SYSTEM FOR
ASSAULTS OR ASSAULT-RELATED
INCIDENTS.

Maureen says RIGHT.

Dr. Jennings says OR I SEE PEOPLE
WHO ARE WHAT I WOULD CALL
SEMI-MANDATED FROM THEIR
PARTNER, SAYING TO THEM YOU
FEED SOME HELP AND YOU FEED
TO GET ANGER MANAGEMENT.

Maureen says YOU GET THIS
UNDER CONTROL OR I'M OUT OF
HERE.

Dr. Jennings
THAT'S RIGHT.

Maureen says THAT'S THE
ULTIMATE LAST STEP.

Dr. Jennings
THAT'S RIGHT.

Maureen says IS ANGER
MANAGEMENT SOMETHING LIKE
ADDICTION COUNSELLING?
DO YOU HAVE TO BE AT A POINT
IN YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU'RE
READY TO ACCEPT THAT YOU
HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANGER?

Dr. Jennings I
THINK SO.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE A
NUMBER OF WOMEN WHO WILL
CALL IN ON BEHALF OF THEIR
HUSBANDS, AND THE HUSBAND IS
BEING ASSAULTIVE OR ABUSIVE
AT HOME AND SHE'S TRYING TO
GET HELP FOR HIM BUT HE'S
NOT READY.
AND HE'S NOT AT A PLACE
WHERE HE'S READY.
AND IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT
I MIGHT SUGGEST TO SOMEBODY
THEY WANT TO LOOK INTO
RESOURCES, READING MATERIAL,
BEFORE THEY MAKE THAT NEXT
STEP.
BUT ULTIMATELY THEY NEED TO
BE READY TO DO THE WORK.

Maureen says DO YOU THINK
WE'RE GETTING ANGRIER AS A
SOCIETY?

Dr. Jennings
THAT'S A HARD QUESTION TO
ANSWER.
I THINK THAT WE ARE
DEFINITELY FACED WITH
ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES THAT
WE WEREN'T FACED WITH SAY
TEN, TWENTY YEARS AGO.
I THINK TECHNOLOGY IS A BIG
CONTRIBUTOR.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, IF
I CAN JUST ELABORATE A
LITTLE BIT, IS I SEE A LOT
OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
FRUSTRATED.
FRUSTRATED WITH THEIR
COMPUTER, FRUSTRATED WITH
THEIR CELL PHONE, FRUSTRATED
WITH ALL OF THESE THINGS
THAT WE HAVE, AND ON ONE
HAND WE'VE ADVANCED
TECHNOLOGICALLY, BUT ON THE
OTHER HAND I'M NOT SURE THAT
WE'VE COME UP TO SPEED
EMOTIONALLY ON HOW TO DEAL
WITH THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY
THAT WE HAVE.
AND THAT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO
FRUSTRATION.

Maureen says SO IT'S THAT
SORT OF -- DOES THAT TYPE OF
ANGER WITH TECHNOLOGY
MANIFEST ITSELF MORE IN THE
WORKPLACE OR IS THAT WHY THE
GUY BEHIND ME ON THE HIGHWAY,
SAY ON THE WAY HOME AT 5:30,
HE'S FRUSTRATED WITH THE
SLOWNESS OF THE TRAFFIC?
OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT
HAPPENED EARLIER IN THE DAY
AT WORK?

Dr. Jennings
COULD BE BOTH.
IT CAN BE BOTH.
I MEAN, THERE ARE THINGS
THAT HAPPEN DURING THE DAY,
9 TO 5, WHERE YOU'RE
CONSTANTSLY FACED WITH VOICE
MAIL, COMPUTER PROBLEMS,
PRECISION AND THINGS LIKE
THAT, THAT CONTRIBUTE TO
ANGER.
IT MAY NOT BE EXPRESSED IN
THE WORK PLACE, AND THEN OFF
YOU GO ON THE 401, IN
RUSHHOUR TRAFFIC, WHICH IS
WORSE AND WORSE EVERYDAY,
AND IT'S LASHED OUT THERE.
IT'S EXPRESSED THERE.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY
SOMETHING THAT WE SEE, WHICH
IS DEFINITELY ON THE
INCREASE.

Maureen says THIS WAS
ADDRESSED A LITTLE BIT IN
THE PIECE IS IT BETTER TO
SUPPRESS THE ANGER OR TO
FIND A WAY TO EXPRESS IT
SOMEHOW.

Dr. Jennings I
THINK THE LATTER.
I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT
THAT YOU SAY WHAT YOU NEED
TO SAY.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE
HAVE ALL OF THESE FEELINGS,
AND THERE'S NO REAL LEARNING
PROCESS THAT THEY'VE
EXPERIENCED IN TERMS OF HOW
TO SAY WHAT THEY NEED TO
SAY.
SO PART OF WHAT I TRY AND DO
IS HELP PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY
WHAT THEY'RE FEELING.
AND LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE
THAT A LITTLE MORE
EFFECTIVELY.
SO I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE
IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE IT
THAN TO HOLD IT IN.

Maureen says CAN YOU GIVE ME
AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT
WORKS?
I DON'T KNOW, DRAW ON YOUR
EXPERIENCE?
HAVE YOU TAUGHT SOMEBODY HOW
TO SAY SOMETHING EFFECTIVELY,
BE ASSERTIVE BUT NOT ANGRY?

Dr. Jennings
ABSOLUTELY.
THERE ARE -- ONE OF THE
FIRST THINGS THAT I START
WITH IS ANGER AWARENESS.
AND IN THE PIECE EARLIER,
THERE WAS A BIG PIECE ON THE
-- PHYSIOLOGICAL
AND WHAT WE TRY AND DO IS
GET PEOPLE MORE AWARE OF
WHAT'S'S HAPPENING WITHIN
THEM, THE ANGER AROUSAL
PROCESS.
SO WHAT CHANGES ARE THEY
EXPERIENCING HEAD TO TOE IN
THEIR BODY, BECOMING MORE
AWARE OF THAT HELPS YOU KNOW
THAT YOU'RE STARTING TO GET
ANGRY.
WHICH HELPS YOU THEN TAKE
STEPS TO USE STRATEGIES TO
MANAGE THAT ANGER.
BECAUSE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT
TO SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY
WHEN ANGER AROUSAL'S ON
BOARD, BECAUSE EAR IN WHAT I
WOULD CALL A BLAMING MODE,
WE'RE MORE INTERESTED IN
BLAMING OR PUTTING THE
RESPONSIBILITY SOMEWHERE
ELSE, RATHER THAN OWNING
WHAT YOU NEED TO OWN.
AND SO YES, LEARNING HOW TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING
WITHIN YOU AND TAKE STEPS TO
MANAGE IT AND THEN TAKE
STEPS TO EXPRESS WHAT YOU
NEED TO EXPRESS.

Maureen says FOR THOSE PEOPLE
THOUGH, WHO ARE EITHER
VICTIMS OR PERPETRATORS OF
ROAD RAGE, THERE PROBABLY IS
NO OPPORTUNITY TO
COMMUNICATE YOUR FEELINGS
OUT THERE ON THE -- IT'S NOT
REALLY THE PLACE, IS IT?

Dr. Jennings NO.

Maureen says SO YOU'RE NEVER
REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO
TELL THAT GUY WHAT YOU
THOUGHT OF HIS LACK OF LEFT
TURN SIGNAL OR WHATEVER.

Dr. Jennings
THAT'S RIGHT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME WITH,
WITH DRIVING, IS THERE'S --
WHEN YOU GET INTO THE
VEHICLE, EMOTIONS ARE
BROUGHT INTO THE VEHICLE,
WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT
MAYBE YOU EXPERIENCED
EARLIER IN THE DAY AT WORK
OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND PART OF WHAT WE TRY AND
TEACH IS THAT DRIVING IS
MORE OF A TASK.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING TO BRING
EMOTIONS INTO.
IT'S -- YOU'RE OPERATING A
PIECE OF MACHINERY, AND YOU
TRY TO KEEP EMOTIONS OUT OF
THE VEHICLE, WILL HELP YOU
GET THROUGH THE TASK AND GET
TO WHERE YOU NEED TO GET SO
IT'S GETTING FROM A TO B AND
UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN YOU
GO FROM A TO B, THERE WILL
BE ALL KINDS OF PROVOCATIONS
PUT IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO MAKING THE ASSUMPTION
THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE
THERE WILL HELP YOU A LOT AS
OPPOSED TO BEING SHOCKED
WHEN SOMEBODY CUTS YOU OFF
OR MERGES WITH YOU BEFORE
YOU IN TRAFFIC, THAT KIND OF
THING.

Maureen says RIGHT SO TO DEAL
WITH ALL THAT MAYBE WE'LL
HEAR FROM SOME OF OUR
VIEWERS ABOUT THEIR
EXPERIENCES WITH ROAD RAGE
OR AIR RAGE BUT MY GUEST
THIS AFTERNOON IS KATHRYN
JENNINGS, SHE IS AN ANGER
MANAGEMENT COUNSELLOR AND
WE'RE TALKING TODAY ABOUT
HOW TO DEAL WITH ANGER.
EITHER ANGER YOU'RE
EXPERIENCING OR MAYBE YOU
LIVE WITH AN ANGRY PERSON.
GIVE US A CALL WITH YOUR
QUESTIONS. IN TORONTO DIAL (416)484-2727. LONG DISTANCE IT’S A FREE
CALL 1-888-
411-1234.AND THE e-mail IS MORETOLIFE@TVO.ORG.
SYLVIE IS IN
NORTH BAY.
HI SYLVIE.

Sylvie says HI.

Maureen says HI.

Sylvie says I'M HAVING PROBLEMS WITH MY
BOSS.

Maureen says IN WHAT WAY,
SYLVIE.

Sylvie says I FIND THAT HE'S
REALLY ANGRY AT ME.

Maureen says CAN YOU GIVE US
SORT OF AN EXAMPLE?

Sylvie says WELL HE'LL STAND BEHIND
ME AND WATCH EVERY MOVE I
MAKE.
SO IT'S REALLY DISTRACTING
AND REALLY TOUGH TO DEAL
WITH.

Maureen says IS THIS --

Sylvie says AND THAT MAKES ME
ANGRY, AND I KNOW THAT HE'S
ANGRY, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW
TO DEAL DELE WITH THAT.

Maureen says HAVE YOU WORKED
THERE LONG?

Sylvie says YES, I'VE WORKED THERE
FOR ABOUT 16 YEARS TOTAL.

Maureen says AND IS HE A NEW
BOSS?

Sylvie says YES, HE'S BEEN THERE LESS
THAN A YEAR.

Maureen says OKAY, YOU MAY
HAVE MORE QUESTIONS,
KATHRYN?

Dr. Jennings says SYLVIE IS YOUR NAME?
THAT'S A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE
YOU'RE WORKING WITH SOMEBODY
WHOS A IN A POSITION OF
POWER AND THAT MAKES IT VERY
DIFFICULT TO EXPRESS HOW YOU
FEEL WITH HIM.
BUT ONE THING THAT YOU DID
SAY THAT YOU HAVE IS 16
YEARS OF SENIORITY.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S
SOMETHING TO SAY, AND THAT
SPEAKS FOR YOU.
SO BEING ABLE TO SAY HOW YOU
FEEL TO HIM MAY START WITH
SOMETHING LIKE MAKING SPACE
AND MAKING TIME TO MEET WITH
HIM SEPARATELY AND
ADDRESSING THE ISSUE.
AND LETTING HIM KNOW WHAT
THIS FEELS LIKE FOR YOU.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD
DO?

Maureen says SORRY, SYLVIE?

Sylvie says I THOUGHT ABOUT
ACTUALLY MEETING WITH HIM
PRIVATELY, LIKE IN ANOTHER
OFFICE.

Dr. Jennings
YES.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD
SUGGEST TO ANY OF MY
CLIENTS, IS THAT TAKING HIM
SEPARATELY AND TALKING WITH
HIM SO HE DOESN'T FEEL THAT
YOU KNOW, HE'S BEING LOOKED
AT WHEN HE'S TALKING WITH
YOU AND HAVING A SEPARATE
MEETING AND LETTING HIM KNOW
HOW YOU FEEL WHEN HE STANDS
OVER YOU LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE IT IS AN
INTIMIDATION TYPE OF FACTOR,
AND HE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF
THAT.
OR HE MAY BE, BUT IT'S
SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT
TO TELL HIM HOW YOU FEEL.

Maureen says YEAH, YOU
WOULDN'T WANT TO, I GUESS,
SINGLE HIM OUT IN FRONT OF
OTHER PEOPLE THAT HE
SUPERVISES, BECAUSE YOU'RE
JUST GOING TO SET YOURSELF
UP FOR WORSE PROBLEMS.
DO YOU KNOW -- WHEN YOU
START TO COUNSEL, SAY PEOPLE
WHO COME IN AND HAVE BEEN
MANDATED TO COME IN, HOW
MUCH OF WHAT THEY TELL YOU
THAT PROMPTS THEIR ANGER IS
WORK SITUATIONS?

Dr. Jennings says I GET A LOT OF THAT NOW,
BUT I GET PEOPLE WHO ARE
SENT TO COUNSELLING FROM THE
BOSS.
THE BOSS IS NOW CONCERNED
ABOUT AN EMPLOYEE'S ANGER,
SO IN ORDER TO AVOID THINGS
LIKE SOMEBODY GOING “POSTAL.”
AS THE TERM WE KNOW, THE
BOSS IS SENDING SOMEBODY FOR
COUNSELLING SO I WOULD CALL
THEM SEMI MANDATED.
THEY'RE NOT GENERALLY FROM
THE COURT PER SAY.
BUT I DO SEE PEOPLE WHO ARE
CHARGED WITH AN ASSAULT FROM
THE WORKPLACE?
OCCASIONALLY BUT LESS OFTEN.
THAT'S MORE DOMESTIC-TYPE
STUFF.
BUT THEY'RE THERE.

Maureen says I'VE OFTEN
WONDERED, YOU KNOW, THE MAN
WHO PHYSICALLY ABUSES HIS
WIFE WHAT'S HE LIKE AT WORK?
DOES HE CONTROL HIS ANGER
WHEN HE HAS TO AT WORK AND
LET IT ALL -- YOU KNOW, HANG
OUT ON HER WHEN HE GETS
HOME?

Dr. Jennings
YES.
THAT'S -- THAT CAN HAPPEN,
WHERE AT WORK HE'S A MODEL
EMPLOYEE AND PEOPLE MAY NOT
HAVE AN AWARENESS OF WHAT
SAY FRANK OR BILL IS LIKE AT
HOME WITH HIS FAMILY.
AND WHEN HE GOES HOME, IT'S
A DIFFERENT WORLD.
AND NOW THAT DOESN'T
NECESSARILY MEAN THEY'RE ALL
IN THAT CATEGORY, BUT
DEFINITELY THERE'S A LARGE
NUMBER OF THEM.
AND VICE VERSA I
SHOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE A
LOT OF WOMEN ALSO THAT ARE
ANGRY IN THE WORKPLACE, AND
MAYBE NOT AT HOME OR VICE
VERSA.

Maureen says RIGHT.
RIGHT.
YEAH, I'D BE SURPRISED IF WE
DON'T HEAR FROM A FEW
STAY-AT-HOME MOM THIS IS
AFTERNOON THAT WANT TO KNOW
HOW TO CONTROL THEIR OWN
ANGER WITH THE
THREE-YEAR-OLD.
DIANE IS IN NORTH BAY.
HI DIANE?

Diane says HI.

Maureen says HI.

Diane says HOW ARE 'YA?

Maureen says GOOD THANKS.

Diane says I'M CALLING.
I HAVE POST CONCUSSION
SYNDROME AND I'VE NOTICED
THAT I HAVE AN ANGER
PROBLEM.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF AN
AVERAGE COUNSELOR IN MY TOWN
WOULD BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH
MY ANGER MANAGEMENT OR
SHOULD I BE LOOKING AT
DEALING WITH AN ACQUIRED
BRAIN INJURY PROGRAMME TO
GET COUNSELLING THAT WOULD
BE MORE SUITED TO MY NEEDS?

Dr. Jennings says YOU
MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE
LATTER, BECAUSE THE -- IF
THERE IS AN ACTUAL BRAIN
INJURY, THAT POSES
ADDITIONAL ISSUES THERE FOR
YOU.
AND I THINK THAT IF YOU GO
TO A BRAIN INJURY CLINIC,
THEY'RE MUCH MORE SUITED TO
DEAL WITH THE ANGER RELATED
ISSUES THAT COME FROM THAT.
HOWEVER THAT DOESN'T
NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU
CAN'T GET STARTED WITH AN
ANGER MANAGEMENT COUNSELOR
LOCALLY THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE
TO GET A REFERRAL THROUGH
YOUR PHYSICIAN, YOUR FAMILY
DOCTOR.
SO I WOULD START WITH THE
FAMILY DOCTOR AND SEE IF YOU
CAN GET A COUNSELOR LOCALLY,
AS WELL AS A REFERRAL TO THE
BRAIN INJURY CLINIC.

Maureen says AND NORTH BAY'S
A LARGE ENOUGH CITY THAT
THERE WOULD BE ANGER
MANAGEMENT COUNSELORS IN
THAT CITY?

Dr. Jennings says
THERE LIKELY WOULD BE AND A
GOOD PLACE TO START FOR THAT
WOULD BE TO GO TO THE
CORRECTIONS FACILITIES.
CORRECTIONAL SERVICES.
THEY TEND TO HAVE THE WHO'S
WHO AND WHO'S IN THE KNOW
ABOUT WHAT'S OUT THERE.

Maureen says I NEVER WOULD
HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

Dr. Jennings says YEAH, BECAUSE THEY RUN
THE ANGER MANAGEMENT GROUPS
ALL THE TIME AND THEY MAY BE
ABLE TO REFER YOU.

Maureen says RIGHT, OKAY, GOOD LUCK,
DIANE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CALL.
SARA IS IN ETOBICOKE.
HI SARA.

Sara says HI, HOW ARE YOU?

Maureen says GOOD, THANK YOU.

Sara says IT'S NICE TO HEAR
YOUR PROGRAMME.
I HAVE TO STEP OUTSIDE
BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS IN THE
HOUSE, AND I DON'T WANT HIM
TO LISTEN TO ME.

Maureen says OKAY.

Sara says BUT MY QUESTION
IS EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN
ARGUMENT OR EVEN WHEN I ASK
HIM A QUESTION, JUST TO KNOW
A QUESTION, HE FLAILS AT ME,
HE BREAKS THINGS, HE KNOCKS
THINGS OFF AND IT HAVE COME
TO A POINT WHERE I AM
TERRIFIED TO EVEN ASK HIM
HOW THINGS ARE AT HOME.
AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO
COMMUNICATE HIM WITHOUT
HAVING A BIG ARGUMENT AND
INSULTS AND BELITTLING ME
ALL THE TIME.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN I THINK
THAT I LOSE MY TEMPER, TOO,
AND WHICH I DO, BUT I TRY TO
CONTROL MYSELF AS MUCH AS I
CAN.
BUT I CAN'T SEEM TO GET
THROUGH HIM WITHOUT BIG, BIG
PROBLEMS IN THE HOUSE.

Maureen says OKAY.
KATHRYN?

Dr. Jennings says
THAT SOUNDS, UM, VERY
DIFFICULT.
AND I CAN APPRECIATE WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE
CERTAINLY I SEE A LOT OF
CLIENTS WHO COME INTO THE
OFFICE WITH THAT TYPE OF AN
ISSUE GOING ON.
I GUESS IF I CAN JUST ASK
YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS,
ARE YOU IN A POSITION WHERE
YOU'RE WANTING TO STAY IN
THE MARRIAGE?
OR ARE YOU CONSIDERING
LEAVING?

Sara says I WOULD HAVE LEFT
LONG TIME AGO.
THE ONLY REASON IS I HAVE A
CHILD WHO IS INVOLVED IN THE
FAMILY, WHO'S VERY, VERY
ILL.
AND HE NEEDS CARE ALL THE
TIME, 24 HOURS A DAY.
AND I'M THE SOUL WORKER TO
PROVIDE.
BUT TO MAKE EVERYTHING GOOD
IN THE HOUSE, I WORK LATE IN
THE EVENINGS, SO I DO
EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE SO,
THEN WHEN THE CHILD COMES IN
THE HOUSE IN THE EVENINGS,
THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR MY
SPOUSE OR ANYBODY ELSE IN
THE FAMILY TO DO, JUST TO
TAKE CARE OF THIS CHILD
ONLY.
GETTING BACK TO YOUR
QUESTION, I WOULD LOVE TO
LEAVE BECAUSE I THINK DEEP
DOWN I'M A HAPPY PERSON.
I LIKE TO MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY.
BUT RIGHT NOW I'M VERY
MISERABLE.
I'M SEEING A PSYCHIATRIST,
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR I
CAN CARRY ON TO LIVE THE WAY
I AM LIVING RIGHT NOW.

Dr. Jennings says IF
YOU FEEL THAT -- IF YOU DO
HAVE A SUPPORT SYSTEM WITH A
PSYCHIATRIST RIGHT NOW AND
YOU FEEL THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T
TAKE THIS ANY LONGER, YOU
MAY WANT TO -- THERE'S A
COUPLE OF THINGS YOU CAN DO.
ONE, YOU CAN BRING IN YOUR
HUSBAND, INTO MEET WITH YOUR
THERAPIST AND TALK TO YOUR
THERAPIST ABOUT WHAT'S
HAPPENING, WITH HIM PRESENT.
ANOTHER OPTION FOR YOU IS TO
CALL ANY OF THE ASSAULT
WOMEN'S HELPLINE, AND ANY
LOCAL HELPLINES THAT DEAL
WITH ASSAULTED AND BATTERED
WOMEN AND GET TIPS ON WHAT
YOU NEED TO DO TO PREPARE
YOURSELF TO LEAVE.

Maureen says SHE MAY NOT
BE -- AND WE SHOULD TELL HER,
SHE IS A WOMAN WHO IS BEING
ASSAULTED VERBALLY.
EVEN IF HE HASN'T LAID A
FINGER ON HER.

Dr. Jennings says
YES.
THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HIT YOUR
PARTNER TO BE ABUSED BY YOUR
PARTNER.
EMOTIONALLY, YOU KNOW,
THAT'S, THAT ALSO CAN BE
VERY SCARRING.
SO FOR YOU, LOOKING INTO
YOUR OPTIONS, I THINK, IS
IMPORTANT, AND SECONDLY, AND
PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY, IS
THE CARE OF YOUR CHILD.
AND I DON'T WANT TO PLACE
UNDUE PRESSURE ON YOU, BUT I
MEAN, UNDERSTANDING WHAT
YOUR CHILD NEEDS IS
IMPORTANT, TOO.
AND IF YOUR CHILD NEEDS TO
GROW UP IN AN ATMOSPHERE
WITHOUT SEEING THAT TYPE OF
BEHAVIOUR, THEN MAKING
DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF YOUR
CHILD AS WELL AS YOURSELF IS
SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTION OF
LETTING YOUR HUSBAND KNOW
WHETHER IT'S -- WHETHER IT'S
WITH SOMEBODY ELSE
PRESENT, THAT YOU'RE GOING
TO TAKE STEPS.
AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS
MAY BE HARD FOR YOU TO
BELIEVE, BUT MOST OF THE
PARTNERS I SEE DO NOT WANT
THEIR WIFE TO LEAVE.
AND WHEN FACED WITH THAT
WILL MAKE A DECISION TO
ENTER ANGER MANAGEMENT
COUNSELLING OR TO ENTER SOME
SORT OF THERAPY, BECAUSE
THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING
TO LOSE WHAT THEY HAVE.
NOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT
YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK OVER
WITH YOUR PSYCHIATRIST FIRST
ABOUT YOUR HUSBAND.
I DON'T KNOW HIM, AND SO YOU
HAVE TO KNOW YOUR RISKS
THERE BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT
TYPE OF A DECISION.
BUT I DO SEE A LOT OF
HUSBANDS WHO DO COME IN, IN
DISTRESS WHEN THEIR WIFE
LET'S THEM KNOW THAT THEY'RE
GOING TO TAKE THAT STEP.

Maureen says OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CALL,
SARA.
GOOD LUCK.
GENIE IS IN TORONTO.
HI JEAN NEA?

Genie says HI!

Maureen says HI.

Genie says HI.
I JUST HAVE -- I'M A
STAY-AT-HOME MOM, AND I'VE
BEEN AT HOME FOR 20 MONTHS
NOW WITH MY SON, AND I JUST
GET REALLY FRUSTRATED AT
TIMES WITH HIM, AND I KNOW
IT'S OUT OF EXHAUSTION.
HE'S STILL WAKING UP IN THE
NIGHTS AND THAT, AND WHEN MY
HUSBAND COMES HOME HE
DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S
LIKE TO HAVE THE KID KEEP
CLIMBING UP THE STAIRS,
CLIMBING OUT OF CRIB, YOU
KNOW, JUST DEALING WITH HIM
ALL DAY.
AND I GET SO ANGRY, BECAUSE
I DON'T GET THE SUPPORT FROM
HIM, AND I JUST FOUND THAT
I'VE JUST BECOME SUCH A
FLY-OFF-THE-HANDLE, JUST
GRITTING MY TEETH AND
SWEARING WHEN I DON'T WANT
TO SWEAR.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SWEAR IN
FRONT OF MY CHILD.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SWEAR AT
MY HUSBAND EITHER, BUT YOU
KNOW, SOMETIMES I'M JUST --
I JUST LOSE IT AND I'M JUST
LIKE -- I FEEL LIKE A
VOLCANO INSIDE.
AND I'M WONDERING -- I'M NOT
A VIOLENT PERSON, BUT I FEEL
THAT WAY INSIDE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I FEEL LIKE I
JUST TO WANT THROW AN CHAIR
THROUGH THE WINDOW BECAUSE
I'M JUST SO FRUSTRATED.
AND I DON'T, OF COURSE, BUT
I WAS WONDERING -- BECAUSE I
DON'T THINK IT'S HEALTHY TO
FEEL LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME,
TALKING ABOUT THE
PHYSIOLOGICAL ASPECTS, SO I
WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAD ANY
STRATEGIES OR LITTLE THINGS
THAT YOU COULD DO TO JUST
TELL ME RIGHT NOW TO TRY AND
COPE WITH GETTING SO ANGRY.
LIKE HOW CAN I VENT THIS IN
A HEALTHY WAY?

Dr. Jennings says I
EMPATHIZE WITH YOU.
I HAVE A 13 MONTH OLD
DAUGHTER.
SO I THINK -- IF I CAN ASK
YOU ONE QUESTION, WHAT TYPES
OF THINGS DO YOU DO FOR
YOURSELF IN TERMS OF SELF
CARE TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR
OWN NEEDS?
OR ARE YOU EVEN ABLE TO DO
THAT?

Genie says UM, I, I DON'T
REALLY -- YEAH, I THINK I'M
THE LAST PERSON TO THINK
ABOUT MYSELF.
SO NO, I DON'T GET ENOUGH
TIME TO MYSELF.
FOR EXAMPLE LAST NIGHT IT
WAS CRAZY WITH MY SON ALL
DAY AND WHEN MY HUSBAND CAME
HOME I SAID “I WANT YOU TO
PUT HIM TO BED TONIGHT.”
AND HE WAS LIKE “OH.
NO, I WANT TO WATCH SOME
JAZZ SHOW AT NINE.”
I'M LIKE UH!
CAN YOU SEE HOW UPSET HIM?
I'VE JUST HAD ENOUGH, I WANT
HELP, I DON'T WANT IT SEE
HIM ANYMORE, I JUST NEED TO
GO AWAY AND JUST HAVE SOME
TIME TO MYSELF.
SO NO, I'M NOT REALLY GOING
TO HE DID EVENTUALLY PUT HIM
TO BED BECAUSE HE SAW BUT I
HAD TO MAKE A STINK ABOUT IT
AND I DON'T LIKE BEING THAT
KIND OF PERSON THAT HAS TO
HAVE A FIT TO GET THEIR WAY.

The caption says “Today's Topic: Anger Management.”

Maureen says YEAH, YOU DON'T
WANT TO SOUND LIKE A NAGGER
BUT IF THEY DON'T TAKE THE
HINT...

Dr. Jennings says I
THINK THAT THAT -- WHAT
YOU'RE DESCRIBING IS ENOUGH
TO MAKE SOMEBODY VERY
FRUSTRATED AND VERY ANGRY,
AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY
MEAN YOU HAVE -- YOU'RE AN
ANGRY PERSON, IT MEANS THAT
YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE
YOU FEEL YOU HAVE NO CONTROL
OVER WHAT'S HAPPENING.
ONE THING I WOULD SUGGEST IS
TO START TO TAKE THAT TIME.
AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE
HE'S HEARING YOU IN TERMS OF
WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY.
SO WHAT YOU MAY NEED TO DO
IS WHEN HE COMES HOME FROM
WORK IS LEAVE.
MAKE PLANS TO GO OUT WITH
SAY A GIRLFRIEND THAT NIGHT
AND LET HIM KNOW THAT
TUESDAY NIGHT I'M GOING OUT
WITH BETTY OR JANE TO THE
MOVIES AND THAT'S YOUR NIGHT
WITH OUR BABY.
AND SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY
MAKING PLANS TO STEP OUT.
AND TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD
DO?

Genie says UM.... WELL, SORT
OF.
SOMETIMES.
FOR EXAMPLE I WAS SUPPOSED
TO GO TO A MOVIE TONIGHT
WITH A FRIEND, BUT THEN HE
HAD TO GO HELP HIS DAD WITH
SOMETHING, SO I'M NOT GOING.
AND A LOT OF TIMES MONEY'S
AN ISSUE, TOO.
BECAUSE WE HAVE A ONE-INCOME
FAMILY SO I FEEL EXTRAVAGANT,
TAKING MONEY OUT WHEN I
THINK “OH, BUT WE SHOULD,
YOU KNOW, SHOULD GO FOR MORE
GROCERIES OR SOMETHING.”

Maureen says IS THAT YOUR
CHOICE?
TO NOT WORK TO STAY HOME?

Genie says UM, NO, IT'S JUST A
DECISION WE BOTH MADE.
LIKE I GUESS IT SORT OF HAS
BEEN MY CHOICE AS WELL, BUT
WE BOTH DECIDED THAT HE
WOULD BE, THE BEST INTERESTS
OF OUR SON WOULD BE TO BE
WITH HIS MOTHER UNTIL HE WAS
AT LEAST A YEAR AND A HALF
BECAUSE THEN I SORT OF FELT
THAT IF HE DIDN'T LIKE
SOMEPLACE WHERE HE WAS, HE
COULD SOMEHOW SORT OF
INDICATE TO ME THAT HE
WASN'T HAPPY THERE.

Maureen says OH.

Genie says SO I AM CURRENTLY -- I
JUST FINISHED MY RESUME AND
I AM CURRENTLY LOOKING TO
START GOING BACK TO WORK
NOW.

Maureen says IT'S GREAT TO
HAVE MOM HOME AS LONG AS
MOM'S NOT CLIMBING THE WALLS,
YOU KNOW?

Dr. Jennings says
RIGHT.
RIGHT, THERE NEEDS TO BE
SOME SORT OF AN OUTLET FOR
YOU, AND YOU KNOW, THE TWO
OF YOU MAY WANT TO GO AND
SPEAK WITH SOMEBODY, JUST SO
SOMEBODY ELSE CAN LET YOUR
HUSBAND KNOW WHAT THIS IS
LIKE, BEING AT HOME.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY HE'S
HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING
IT FROM YOU DIRECTLY.
AND SO MAYBE A FAMILY DOCTOR
OR A FRIEND OR A
MOTHER-IN-LAW OR A
FATHER-IN-LAW OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT TO HELP, TO HELP
HIM UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU
NEED.
BUT ALSO YOU NEED TO TAKE
SOME STEPS TO TAKE CARE OF
YOURSELF.

Maureen says HARDEST JOB IN
THE WORLD I THINK.

Dr. Jennings says
YES.

Maureen says YOU CAN TELL HIM
WE SAID THAT TODAY.
GOD LUCK.
THANK YOU.
KELLY IS IN AURORA.
HI KELLY.

Kelly says HI.

Maureen says HI.

Kelly says UM, BASICALLY WHY
I'M CALLING, I'M HAS STAY AT
HOME MOM, BUT I HAVE HAD
PROBLEMS WITH ANGER, EVEN
PRIOR TO HAVING CHILDREN.
MY HUSBAND AND I WERE HAVING
ANY SORT OF ARGUMENT, AND IT
JUST GOT TOO FAR, I WOULD BE
THE ONE WHO'S SLAMMING DOORS
AND, YOU KNOW, PUNCHING
WALLS AND DOING WHATEVER,
WHICH I KNOW, IT SOUNDS
UNUSUAL FOR WOMEN, BUT WOMEN
DO DO -- DO GET TO THAT
EXTENT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW?
I THINK WE ALWAYS THINK IT'S
MEN THAT GO TO THAT EXTREME.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE
DONE EVER SINCE I WAS A
CHILD, AS I'VE HAD A VERY
ANGRY TEMPER.
MY HUSBAND AND I HAD DECIDED
THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO
SPANK OUR CHILDREN OR USE
ANY SORT OF HITTING.
SO I HAD TO LEARN HOW TO
DEAL WITH THIS ANGER.
FOR THEIR BENEFIT AND YOU
KNOW, FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY.
AND I FOUND A WAY THAT'S
WORKED WELL FOR ME AND MAYBE
WOULD HELP YOUR PREVIOUS
CALLER.

Maureen says PLEASE.

Kelly says WHAT I OFTEN DO
IS I WOULD GIVE MYSELF A
TIME OUT.

Dr. Jennings says
MM-HMM.

Kelly says I HAVE A FIVE-YEAR-OLD,
SO HE UNDERSTAND WHEN MOMMY
SAID LIKE, I'M GETTING VERY
ANGRY, I NEED A
TIME-OUT AND MY 20 MONTH OLD
DOESN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND
THAT YET BUT WHEN I FEEL
PHYSICALLY, IT'S ALMOST
LIKE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO
EXPLAIN IT OTHER THAN
THERE'S LIKE THIS LIGHTNING
INSIDE OF MY BODY THAT'S
JUST GETTING OUT OF HAND, I
GIVE MYSELF A TIME-OUT.
GUY IN THE BEDROOM, I CLOSE
THE DOOR, JUST TO A FEW
MINUTES, EVEN IF I HAVE TO
PUNCH A PILLOW, JUST TO
RELEASE THAT.
AND IT JUST BRINGS MY ANGER
LEVEL AND MY RAGE RIGHT DOWN
AND THEN I CAN GO BACK AND
DEAL WITH THEM CALMLY.

Maureen says GOOD FOR YOU.

Dr. Jennings says
THAT'S WONDERFUL!

Maureen says BOY, I WISH I
COULD LEARN THAT.

Dr. Jennings says
THAT'S WONDERFUL.

Maureen says YEAH.

Dr. Jennings
THAT'S JUST FANTASTIC.

Maureen says YES.
AND THEN SHE'S NOT
REPRESSING HER ANGER, IS
SHE?

Dr. Jennings says NO,
NO.

Maureen says SHE'S STILL
FINDING EXPRESSION FOR IT.

Dr. Jennings says
THAT'S RIGHT, WHICH IS
IMPORTANT.
IT'S HEALTHY TO HAVE ANGER.
IT'S NORMAL, WE ALL HAVE IT.
IT'S ABOUT LEARNING HOW TO
SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY AND
DEALING WITH IT WHEN IT
COMES UP.

Maureen says AND HOW MUCH OF
THIS DOES GO BACK -- LIKE,
SHE'S SAYING THAT SHE HAD AN
ANGER PROBLEM BEFORE SHE
EVER HAD KIDS.
AND I WONDER IF SOME OF
THESE THINGS -- AS CHILDREN
WE HAVE TEMPER TANTRUMS, YOU
KNOW, AND NO ONE TEACHES US
HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT
PROPERLY THEN SO, ANGRY
CHILDREN BECOME ANGRY
ADULTS.

Dr. Jennings says
THAT'S RIGHT.
I MEAN, PART OF IT IS
DEFINITELY THAT.
PART OF IT IS THE LEARNING
PROCESS.
WHAT DID YOU SEE.
WHAT DID YOUR PARENTS DO
WHEN YOU HAD A TEMPER
TANTRUM.
HOW DID THEY SPEND.
SO WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A TANTRUM IN THE LOBLAWS STORE,
WHAT IS YOUR PARENT DOING?
IS YOUR PARENT GETTING YOU
THE CEREAL THAT YOU WANT OR
IS YOUR PARENT PUTTING
THOSE LIMITS UP?
AND AS PARENTS I THINK OUR
RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PUT THE
LIMIT UP THERE AND TO LET
THE CHILD KNOW THAT, YOU
KNOW, WHERE THEIR BOUNDARIES
ARE.
I THINK CHILDREN FEEL SAFER
WHEN THEY KNOW WHAT THEY CAN
HAVE AND WHAT THEY CAN'T
HAVE.
BUT SECONDLY, SENDING THE
MESSAGE TO YOUR KIDS THAT
LEARNING -- THAT YOUR
PARENTS CAN MANAGE THEIR
ANGER AND NOT GET ANGRY AT
YOU, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS
KIDS GET A DOUBLE MESSAGE.
MOMMY CAN GET MAD BUT I
CAN'T GET MAD.
AND SO I THINK WHAT THE
CALLER'S DOING IS FANTASTIC.

Maureen says KELLY, THAT'S
GREAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
SHARING THAT.
SILVA IS NEXT IN TORONTO.
HI SILVA.

SILVIA says HI, I HAVE A SON
WHO IS 14 YEARS OLD AND HE
SEEMS TO BE ANGRY ALL THE
TIME.
IS THERE A PLACE WHERE I CAN
BRING HIM TO, SO HE CAN
LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH HIS
EMOTIONS AND HIS FEELINGS
AND TO BE A HAPPY PERSON?

Dr. Jennings says IS
HE -- HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH
HIM ABOUT TALKING TO
SOMEBODY ELSE?
WOULD HE BE INTERESTED THIS
THAT, IN COUNSELLING?

Silvia says YES.
ALTHOUGH HE'S NOT VERY
INTERESTED IN COUNSELLING
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN GOING
THROUGH DIFFERENT PLACES,
LIKE TO CLINICS, AND I AM
STILL STRUGGLING TO FIND A
PLACE FOR HIM SO HE CAN
EXPRESS HOW -- HIS ANGER, HE
SEEMS TO BE ANGRY ALL THE
TIME.
NOT SO MUCH ME BUT WITH
EVERYONE AROUND.
I THINK HE SAW MYSELF, I'M
THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T GET
IN HIS FISTS OF ANGER, YOU
KNOW?

Maureen says SO HE'S GOING TO
BE RESISTANT TO GOING TO
ANGER MANAGEMENT.
IS THERE -- SHE MENTIONED A
COUPLE CLINICS.
IS THERE A SCENARIO THAT'S
EASIER ON KIDS OF THAT AGE?

Dr. Jennings says IT
DEPENDS.
I MEAN, THE HINKS CLINIC IS
A FANTASTIC CLINIC.

Maureen says WELL-RESPECTED,
YEAH.

Dr. Jennings says
IT'S EXCELLENT.
IS IT A GROUP SITTING THAT
HE'S IN OR ONE-ON-ONE.

Silvia says JUST WE'RE
STARTING TO BE ONE-ON-ONE.
BUT HE DOESN'T TO WANT COME
AND I'M KIND OF BEGGING HIM,
COME ON, LET'S GO.
AND I THINK HE'S DOING IT
JUST BECAUSE OF ME, BUT IT'S
NOT COMING FROM HIS HEART.
HE FEELS THAT HE KNOWS
EVERYTHING AND NOBODY'S
GOING TO TEACH HIM ANYTHING.

Maureen says TO TELL HIM.

WHERE'S HIS FATHER?

Silvia says HE
LIVES WITH US.

Dr. Jennings AND
HOW DOES YOUR HUSBAND
EXPRESS HIS ANGER?

Silvia says IN AN ANGRY WAY.

Dr. Jennings says
OKAY.

Silvia says YEAH.

Dr. Jennings says
THAT MAY BE A PLACE TO
START.
BECAUSE HE'S MODELLING
SOMETHING FOR YOUR SON THAT
IS SHOWING HIM A WAY TO
EXPRESS ANGER, AND THAT
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN
YOUR SON ISN'T RESPONSIBLE
FOR HIS ANGER, BUT
DEFINITELY HE'S -- THE
MODELLING IS NOT USEFUL,
WHAT'S HAPPENING AT HOME.
SO THAT MAY BE A PLACE TO
START, IS TALKING WITH YOUR
HUSBAND.
AND HAVING HIM MODEL A
DIFFERENT FORM OF ANGER.

Maureen says DOES THE HUSBAND
ACTUALLY NEED COUNSELLING
HIMSELF, DISMOUNG.

Dr. Jennings says HE MAY.
I MEAN, WHAT YOU'RE
DESCRIBING IS -- HE
EXPRESSES ANGER IN -- IS HE
VIOLENT?

Silvia says HE COULD BE.
LIKE HE THROWS EVERYTHING,
LIKE HE COULD KICK DOORS OR
SLAM DOORS OR CHAIRS OR
THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND MY HUSBAND USED TO DO
THAT BUT HE STOPPED DOING
THAT, BUT BECAUSE HE BECAME
AWARE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING
TO MY SON.
BUT NOW I THINK MY SON IS --
NEEDS TO RELEARN.

Dr. Jennings says SO
IT MAY BE USEFUL TO HAVE
YOUR HUSBAND TALK TO YOUR
SON ABOUT WHAT THE EFFECTS
WERE FOR HIM AND WHAT'S LIKE
TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
AND CERTAINLY THAT MAY BE A
PLACE TO START.
AND MAYBE YOUR HUSBAND CAN
TALK YOUR SON ABOUT
COUNSELLING AND TALKING TO
SOMEBODY ABOUT HOW TO LEARN
HOW TO CONTROL THAT.

Maureen says I'M THINKING
IT'S FORTUNATE FOR SILVA
THAT HER SON HASN'T DONE
ANYTHING YET, THAT THE
COURTS HAVE HAD TO GET
INVOLVED.
BUT YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY
THAT MAY HAPPEN, AND HE MAY
BE MANDATED TO COME TO
SOMEBODY LIKE YOU, SO HE
WON'T HAVE A CHOICE THEN
ABOUT WHETHER TO GET THE
COUNSELLING, AND IT WOULD BE
NICE IF THIS HAPPENS FIRST.

Dr. Jennings says THE
IDEAL CLIENT IS THE ONE WHO
HASN'T BEEN CHARGED WITH AN
ASSAULT SO IF WE CAN GET HIM
BEFORE HE'S CHARGED, THAT'S
GREAT.

Maureen says WHY IS THAT,
KATHRYN?

Dr. Jennings says
WELL, WHEN THEY'RE MANDATED
THEN A SENSE THEY'RE FORCED
TO SEE AND YOU THAT CHANGES
THE DYNAMIC OF THE
RELATIONSHIP A LITTLE BIT
AND IT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT
MORE DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH.

Maureen says OKAY.
AGAIN, GOOD LUCK, SILVA.
TIM IS IN HAMILTON.
HI TIM.

Tim says HELLO.

Maureen says HI.

Tim says MY QUESTION IS
THAT I'M -- I'M AN ANGRY
PERSON.
I EXPRESS MYSELF IN
EXPLOSIVE WAYS NOW AND THEN.
AND MY WIFE LEFT ME DECEMBER
19th, AND THAT WAS A WAKE-UP
CALL FOR ME.
AND I GUESS BASICALLY MY
QUESTION IS SHE'S WORKING
TOWARDS RECONCILIATION -- OR
SHE'S GOT THAT IN VIEW FOR
SIX MONTHS, AND I WANT THAT
AS WELL.
SO I'M IN COUNSELLING WITH A
PSYCHOLOGIST, AND I WANT TO
GET INTO A GROUP.
I'M READING LOTS OF BOOKS,
AND I'M LEARNING A LOT.
MY QUESTION IS HOW I DO DEAL
WITH MY WIFE?
BECAUSE SHE'S STILL VERY
ANGRY AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO.
AND I JUST TO WANT KNOW
HOW -- YOU KNOW, WHEN TO
LAYOFF AND WHEN TO -- YOU
KNOW, WHEN TO WORK AT THE
MARRIAGE AND WHERE TO PUT
THE PRESSURE ON SORT OF
THING.
NOT PRESSURE ON HER, BUT,
YOU KNOW, PRESSURE TO WORK
TOWARDS THE MARRIAGE.
I GOT ADVICE FROM FRIENDS
AND FAMILY SAYING “FIGHT FOR
YOUR MARRIAGE,” YOU KNOW?

Maureen says RIGHT.

Dr. Jennings says IT
SOUNDS, TIM, LIKE YOU'RE
ALREADY TAKING THE NECESSARY
STEPS TO WORK TOWARDS
RECONCILIATION.
HAVE YOU SUGGESTED WITH YOUR
WIFE THAT THE TWO OF YOU GO
TO COUPLES COUNSELLING?
MARITAL COUNSELLING AFTER
YOU'VE -- OR IN CONJUNCTION
WITH THE WORK THAT YOU'RE
DOING WITH THE PSYCHOLOGIST?

Tim says YEAH, I HAVE, AND SHE'S
WILLING TO DO THAT SOMETIME
DOWN THE LINE, BUT SHE'S NOT
SETTING ANY DATES OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

Dr. Jennings says OKAY, SO BE PATIENT AND I
THINK THAT -- I KNOW THAT
THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN EASY
ANSWER, BUT SHE LIKELY HAS A
LOTS OF FEELINGS ABOUT YOUR
ANGER THAT SHE NEEDS TO
DIGEST AS WELL SO SHE NEEDS
A BIT OF TIME.
BUT IF, IF SHE SOUNDS LIKE
SHE'S MOTIVATED DOWN THE
ROAD, THEN THAT'S A GOOD
SIGN.
AND WHAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO
IN THE MEANTIME IS WORK ON
YOURSELF AND TAKE CARE OF
THINGS WITHOUT PRESSURING
HER LET HER HAVE HER
SPACE AND THINGS WILL
EVENTUALLY FALL INTO PLACE.

Maureen says YEAH.
AT WHAT POINTS -- IT'S
PROBABLY GOOD THAT TIM GOES
TO COUNSELLING ON HIS OWN TO
DEAL WITH THE REASONS WHERE
HE'S ANGRY IN THE FIRST
PLACE.
SO DOES HIS WIFE REALLY NEED
THE COUNSELLING?
OR -- I MEAN, BECAUSE SHE
MAY BE THINKING “WELL, I
HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG
HERE.”

Silvia says IT'S LESS ABOUT RIGHT OR
WRONG AND IT'S MORE ABOUT
LEARNING HOW TO EXPRESS EACH
OTHER'S FEELINGS IN THE
MARRIAGE.
AND SHE MAY HAVE A LOT OF
ANGER AND RESENTMENT AND
BITTERNESS TOWARDS HIS ANGER
THAT SHE MAY NEED A FORUM TO
EXPLORE THAT AND LET HIM
KNOW WHERE -- HOW SHE FEELS.
AND SO COUPLES COUNSELLING
OR MARITAL COUNSELLING MAY
BE A GOOD PLACE FOR THAT
WHERE SHE CAN FEEL SAFE TO
TELL HIM HOW SHE FEELS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TRY
AND REALLY STRESS WITH
CLIENTS THAT I WORK WITH IS
EXPRESSING HOW YOU FEEL
UNDERNEATH YOUR ANGER IS
MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN
JUST SHOWING THE ANGER.
AND SO IF SHE DOES HAVE SOME
FEELINGS THERE, THEY NEED TO
BE BROUGHT UP SO SHE AND HER
HUSBAND CAN MOVE FORWARD.

Maureen says MM-HMM.
WHAT'S THE PROGNOSIS FOR A
GUY LIKE TIM WHO REALIZES HE
HAD A PROBLEM, IS WORKING TO
FIX IT, IS SORRY THAT IT
TOOK HIM SO LONG, YOU KNOW,
HIS MARRIAGE IS SUFFERING
BECAUSE OF IT, BUT WHAT CAN
YOU SAY TO HIM ABOUT HIS
CHANCES OF RECOVERY?

Dr. Jennings says
WITHOUT MEETING YOU OR YOUR
WIFE, IT SOUNDS GOOD.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE
FOCUSED ON MOVING FORWARD.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S,
SHE'S HANGIN' IN THERE AS
WELL.
SHE NEEDS A LITTLE SPACE.
I'M HEARING THAT SHE NEEDS
SOME SPACE, AND YOU KNOW,
BEING ABLE TO GIVE HER THAT
WILL HELP.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ON
THE RIGHT ROAD.

Maureen says OKAY.
TIM THANKS VERY MUCH FOR
CALLING.
LISA IN BARRIE.
WELCOME LISA.

Lisa says OH, HI.

Maureen says HI.

Lisa says MY HUSBAND HAS
BEEN GOING FOR ONE-ON-ONE
COUNSELLING NOW FOR ABOUT
THREE MONTHS, AND HE SEEMS
TO BE GREAT FOR A WHILE.
HE GOES EVERY OTHER WEEK AND
IT SEEMS -- IT'S ALMOST LIKE
HE'S TALKING TO THIS
GENTLEMEN, THE COUNSELLOR
AND IT SEEMS TO BE HELPING
AND THEN AFTER TIME GOES ON
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE
HELPING ANYMORE.
WHAT MY QUESTION WAS, IS I
KNOW THIS FROM HIS PERSONAL
BACKGROUND THAT HE HAD A LOT
OF ANGER AND HOSTILITY IN
HIS CHILDHOOD, AND I
WONDERED AS AN ANGER
MANAGEMENT COUNSELOR, IS
THAT EVER BROUGHT UP AS AN
ISSUE?
IS IT EVER DEALT WITH?
I'M WONDERING IF HE SHOULD
BE MORE SEEING SOMEONE,
LIKE A PSYCHOLOGIST --

Maureen says LIKE A
PSYCHIATRIST.

Lisa says SOMEONE WHO CAN
HELP HIM WITH HIS BACKGROUND
TO DEAL WITH IT.
BECAUSE I THINK, WITHOUT
HAVING ANY EXPERIENCE THAT
THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING
FROM.

Dr. Jennings says
MM-HMM.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT
IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN
OLD ISSUE AND WHAT'S
GOING ON NOW BEHAVIOURALLY,
AND HE, WITHOUT MEETING YOUR
HUSBAND, HE MAY BE HAVING
DIFFICULTY LETTING GO OF
THAT OLD STYLE OF MANAGING
SITUATIONS AND MANAGING HIS
FEELINGS.
AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST YES,
TALKING TO SOMEBODY, A
PSYCHOLOGIST MAY BE USEFUL
FOR HIM TO EXPLORE SOME OF
THOSE OLD ISSUES.

Maureen says AND IF SHE'S --
IF SHE'S NOT FINDING ENOUGH
OF A DIFFERENT AFTER HOWEVER
MANY SESSIONS OF ANGER
MANAGEMENT COUNSELLING, I
MEAN, IT'S LIKE A
PSYCHIATRIST OR PSYCHOLOGIST,
SOMETIMES THE FIT ISN'T
RIGHT.

Dr. Jennings says
ABSOLUTELY.
THE FIT HAS TO BE GOOD.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS
IS A MALE OR FEMALE HE'S
WORKING WITH.
THAT'S AN ISSUE AS WELL.
SOMETIMES MEN ARE MORE
COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH
ANOTHER MALE OR ONLY WANT TO
WITH A FEMALE.
HE MAY NOT BE READY.
THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE, TOO.
BUT THE BIG ISSUE THAT I SEE
IS THAT CHANGE IS REALLY
DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'VE HAD A
WHOLE -- SAY 20, 30 YEARS OF
MANAGING SITUATIONS THE SAME
WAY, AND SO OFTEN WHAT I'LL
SEE IS CHANGE START TO
HAPPEN, AND THEN IT'S LIKE A
ROLLER COASTER, AND THEN
THEY, THEY DIP AND THEY GO
BACK UP, AND BEING ABLE TO,
TO WORK WITH THAT SOMETIMES
IS FRUSTRATING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE
INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT ALSO,
ALSO LOOK AT HIS MOTIVATION.
WHY IS HE ATTENDING
COUNSELLING.
IS HE DOING IT FOR YOU?
IS HE DOING IT FOR HIMSELF?
BECAUSE THAT MAY HAVE A
BARRIER OR, AND AN IMPACT ON
HIM CHANGING.

Maureen says OKAY.
ONLY TWO MINUTES LEFT AND I
WANT TO GET SUE IN ACTON.
HI SUE.

Sue says YES, HELLO.

Maureen says HI.

Sue says YEAH, I'M DEALING
WITH A RELATIVELY NEW ANGER
I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD.
MY FATHER-IN-LAW MOVED IN
WITH US A COUPLE OF YEARS
AGO, HE SUFFERS FROM
ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE.
I'M A STAY AT HOME MOM, I'VE
GOT FOUR CHILDREN AND
THEY'RE ALL TEENAGERS RIGHT
AT THE MOMENT, AND I GUESS
MY ANGER COMES FROM LACK OF
SUPPORT FROM MY HUSBAND'S
OTHER SUBLINGS AS FAR AS
GETTING TIME-OFF.
AND I GET THE IMPRESSION THE
ASSUMPTION IS BECAUSE I'M A
STAY AT HOME MOM I'VE GOT
THE TIME AND THE ABILITY TO
DO THIS.
WHICH I DO, OTHER THAN IT
CERTAINLY HAS IMPACTED ON MY
TIMEFRAME AND LACK OF MY OWN
PERSONAL -- PERSONAL LACK OF
SPACE IN MY OWN HOME SO I'M
SUFFERING -- I HAVE BOUTS OF
ANGER THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT
TO DEAL WITH.
I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER FELT
THIS ANGRY BEFORE AT OTHER
PEOPLE.

Maureen says THEY HAVE A NAME
FOR THIS, IT'S CALLED
CAREGIVER BURNOUT.

Dr. Jennings says YES,
AND I THINK AGAIN WITH THE
EARLIER CALLER I WAS
MENTIONING SELF-CARE.
TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF AND
TAKING TIME TO DO THINGS FOR
YOURSELF IS IMPORTANT.
YOU MAY ALSO WANT TO LOOK UP
THE LOCAL ALZHEIMER'S
SOCIETY WHERE YOU CAN MAYBE
FIND SOME SUPPORT SYSTEMS
FOR HIM THAT WILL TAKE A BIT
OF A BURDEN OFF OF YOU.

Maureen says IS IT HEALTHY
FOR HER THOUGH, TO POINT THE
FINGER AT THE OTHER
SIBLINGS?
I CAN UNDERSTAND HER
FRUSTRATION.
HE'S THEIR FATHER NOT HERS
AND YET THEY'RE LEAVING THE
BURDEN WITH HER.
SHOULD SHE GET HER HUSBAND
INVOLVED SO THAT HE CAN TALK
TO THEM?

Dr. Jennings says
YEAH, I MEAN, HE COULD SERVE
AS A BRIDGE TO THE SIBLINGS
TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
ON HERE, AND IN THE MEANTIME,
I STILL WOULD STRONGLY
SUGGEST THAT YOU TAKE STEPS
TO TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND
SO THAT IF THAT MEANS AT
FIVE O'CLOCK WHEN HE COMES
HOME YOU SAY “OKAY, YOU'RE
WITH MY DAD TONIGHT,” I'M
GOING OUT FOR THE EVENING
NOT MALL OR WHATEVER YOU,
AND YOU TAKE STEPS TO TAKE
CARE OF YOU.

Maureen says DEFINITELY.
GOOD LUCK, AND THANK YOU SO
MUCH KATHRYN.
THIS WAS GREAT.

Dr. Jennings says
YOU'RE WELCOME.

Maureen says KATHRYN JENNINGS
RUNS THE ANGER MANAGEMENT
COUSELING PRACTICE OF
TORONTO.

A slate pops up that reads “Anger Management Counseling Practice of
Toronto
416-489-5281.kjennings@anger.on.ca. www.anger.on.ca.”

Maureen says YOU CAN CALL REACH HER THERE BY PHONE AT AREA CODE 416-
489-5281.
THE e-mail ADDRESS IS KJENNINGS@ANGER.ON.CA. OR VISIT THEIR WEBSITE
AT
WWW.ANGER.ON.CA. THANKS FOR WATCHING MORE TO LIFE TODAY. I'M MAUREEN
TAYLOR TUNE
IN TO SEE THE GUEST WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AT 1
OCLOCK.

A closing slate reads “The advice given in the preceding program is
of a general nature only viewers should consult their own
professional for advice specific to their circumstances.”

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