Transcript: Dog Attacks and Training, Birding | Jan 16, 2001

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The opening sequence shows a wooden table with a small lit candle as several words fly by: Nutrition, medicine, prevention, treatment, health.

Fast clips show different sets of hands performing activities on the table such as pulling petals from a daisy, drawing a big red heart, tuning a violin, flipping through the pages of a book, cooking, and pouring a glass of red wine.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: “More to life.”

Karen Horseman sits in a red armchair in a studio with yellow walls. Behind her a placard reads “More to Life.” In front of her,


Karen is in her late thirties, with short choppy black hair. She’s wearing a black blazer over purple shirt.

Karen says HELLO, I'M KAREN
HORSMAN SITTING IN FOR
MAUREEN TAYLOR.
WELCOME IT “MORE TO LIFE.”
ON TODAY'S SHOW WE'RE GOING
TO TALK ABOUT OUR FURRIED
FRIENDS AND OUR FEATHERED
FRIENDS.
LATER ON WE'RE GOING TO TAKE
A FLIGHT OF FANCY WITH
NATURALIST DAN STUCK KEY.
BUT FIRST WE'RE GOING IT
TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
SOME BREEDS ARE MORE
DANGEROUS THAN OTHERS.
A 16-YEAR-OLD TEENAGED GIRL
WAS MAULED LAST WEEK BY TWO
80 POUND FIGHTER DOGS.
THE OWNER OF THOSE DOGS HAS
SINCE BEEN CHARGED UNDER THE
DOG OWNERS' LIABILITY ACT.
THOSE CHARGES ACTUALLY JUST
ANNOUNCED TODAY.
SO THE QUESTION IS ARE THERE
CERTAIN BREEDS THAT HAVE
MORE PROPENSITY FOR VIOLENCE
THAN OTHERS?
AMY WHITE KNOWS ABOUT THIS
IN TERMS OF PROFESSIONAL AND
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
SHE'S THE DIRECTOR OF
COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE
TORONTO HUMANE SOCIETY AND
HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

Amy's in her early thirties with long blonde hair. She's wearing a gray sweater over a gray shirt. A dog lies down at her feet.

Karen continues AND
SHE'S ALSO JOINED BY A
SPECIAL FRIEND, CALVIN, HER
SEVEN-YEAR-OLD AMERICAN
FOXHOUND.
HI AMY?
HOW ARE YOU?

Amy says HI, HOW ARE YOU?

Karen says HI CALVIN.

Amy says TAKING A LITTLE NAP.

Karen laughs and says OH.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TWO
DOGS INVOLVED IN THIS
MAULING.
THE 16-YEAR-OLD'S INJURIES
SUFFERED TRULY WERE A HORROR
TO LOOK AT.
SHE HAD TO HAVE PLASTIC
SURGERY.
A CROSS BEEN AN AKITO AND
PITBULL, WHAT CAN YOU TELL
US ABOUT THE BREEDS?

A caption reads “Amy White. Toronto Humane Society.”

Amy says BOTH BREEDS WERE BRED TO
BE FIGHTING DOGS AND AFTER
THAT SORT OF LOST INTEREST
WITH THE AKITA BREED, THEY
STARTED TO HUNT LARGE GAME.
AKITA ACTUALLY MEANS LARGE
IN JAPANESE AND IT IS A VERY
LARGE DOG.
THE MALES CAN WEIGH UP TO
110 POUNDS, AND PITBULLS AS
WELL WERE BRED TO BE
FIGHTING DOGS AND OVER THE
YEARS HAVE BEEN DOMESTICATED
TO BE FAMILY-TYPE PETS.
AS WELL PEOPLE DO USE THEM
FOR PROTECTION WORK AND
OTHER THINGS.
I THINK THAT THEY CAN BE
GREAT DOGS IN THE RIGHT
HOME, AND THAT IS A
DIFFICULT MIX FOR THE
AVERAGE PERSON TO TRY AND
DEAL WITH.

Karen says YEAH, TO CROSS
THOSE TWO KNOWN AGGRESSIVE
BREEDS.

Amy says YES.

Karen says IN TERMS OF THE
TYPE OF BREEDS THAT WE
SHOULD WATCH FOR, EVEN THAT
QUESTION SUGGESTS THAT THERE
ARE SOME THAT SHOULD BE
SIGNALED OUT.
DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S THE
CASE?
THAT WE SHOULD BE MORE WARY
OF CERTAIN BREEDS?

Amy says I THINK IT'S EVERY DOG
OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BE
AWARE OF BREEDS BEFORE THEY
GET INTO LOOKING FOR HAVING
A PET.
THEY NEED TO KNOW SORT OF
THE BREEDS THAT ARE OUT
THERE AND WHAT THEIR
LIFESTYLE WOULD
APPROPRIATELY ACCOMMODATE.
I DON'T THINK THAT SPECIFIC
BREEDS SHOULD BE BANNED, BUT
I DON'T ALSO THINK THAT
CERTAIN PEOPLE SHOULD OWN
CERTAIN DOGS.
NOT EVERY LIFESTYLE SHOULD
HAVE A PIT BULL OR AKITA IN
IT AND BEFORE YOU GET A DOG,
OR PARTICULARLY MIX THOSE
BREEDS TOGETHER, YOU NEED TO
HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE
WITH DOGS.
IT'S NOT A FIRST-TIME DOG,
THAT SORT OF MIX.

Karen says BECAUSE WE GET
INTO THIS AGE-OLD DEBATE OF
WHETHER IT'S A BAD DOG OR
BAD OWNER.
AND I'VE CERTAINLY TALKED TO
A LOT OF PIT BULL OWNERS AND
ROTTWEILER OWNERS THAT SAY A
ROTTWEILER IS THE MOST
GENTLE, WONDERFUL FAMILY
MEMBER AND THAT IT'S JUST A
BAD OWNER.
WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT?

Amy says I USED TO, EVEN AS LITTLE
AS FIVE YEARS AGO, I USED TO
SAY THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS
BAD DOG, JUST BAD OWNERS BUT
I THINK THAT THERE ARE BOTH.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE
BADDERS AND I THINK THAT
THERE ARE BAD DOGS.
I'VE MET MANY PEOPLE WHO
HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY
EVERYTHING RIGHT.
RESEARCHED THEIR BREED, THE
BREEDER, GOT THE DOG,
SOCIALIZED IT, WENT TO PUPPY
CLASS, OBEDIENCE AND STILL
THIS IS A BAD DOG WHO HAS
BITTEN SOMEBODY AND THERE'S
NOTHING THEY COULD HAVE DONE
MAYBE TO PREVENT THE
SITUATION.
BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY
THINK IT'S A BREED THING.
CERTAINLY SOME BREEDS ARE
HARDER TO OWN AND NOT
EVERYBODY SHOULD OWN THEM
BUT I DON'T THINK ALL PIT
BULLS OR ROT WHILE LETTERS
ARE BAD EITHER.

Karen says THIS IS INCREDIBLY
CONTENTIOUS.
FOR SOMEONE LIKE YOU WHO
LIVES AND BREATHE THIS IS
AND I KNOW YOU'VE TALK SO
MANY TIME AS AN ADVOCATE IN
FAVOUR OF ANIMALS AND HOW
THEY SHOULD BE TREATED WITH
RESPECT BUT THE IDEA SINCE
WE CAN'T SEEM TO SEPARATE
THE BAD OWNERS FROM PORBLLY
AGGRESSIVE DOG, THAT'S WHY
WE GET THE BANS.
THERE'S MUNICIPALITIES IN
NORTH AMERICA THAT HAVE
BANNED PIT BULLS BECAUSE
THERE SEEMS TO BE NO OTHER
ANSWER.

Amy says MY CONCERN THAT -- THE
TORONTO HUMANE SOCIETY
ADAMANTLY OPPOSES
SPECIFICALLY BANNING BREEDS
WHAT DO YOU DO WITH A CROSS
BREED DOG AND WHERE DO YOU
DRAW THE LINE THIS IS IT
JUST PIT BULL,?
STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIERS, ALL
OF THESE DOGS ARE A
COMBINATION OR HAVE COME
FROM FIGHTING DOGS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS
THE ISSUE.
MY OTHER CONCERN IS PEOPLE
WHO WANT A TOUGH DOG, WHO'S
SORT OF AN EXTENSION OF
THEIR PERSONALITY AND THEY
WANT THAT BIG TOUGH DOG
WALKING DOWN THE STREET,
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO FIND
ANOTHER DOG.
WHETHER IT'S A DOBER MAN --
CERTAINLY GERMAN SHEPHERDS
WHEN I STARTED WORKING AT
THE HUMANE SOCIETY, THAT'S
WHAT WE SAW A LOFT, A
ROTTWEILER, A MASTIFF, A
GREAT DANE, CERTAINLY THERE
WILL ALWAYS BE ANOTHER DOG.
WE NEED TO PUT THE ONUS ON
PEOPLE BEFORE THEY GET THIS
TYPE OF DOG.
I THINK IT'S MADE CLEAR
UNDER THE DOG OWNERS'
LIABILITY ACT THAT YOU ARE
RESPONSIBLE IF YOUR DOG
BITES SOMEBODY, AND
FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE.
NOT JUST YOUR DOG'S GOING TO
PAY FOR IT WITH ITS LIFE,
ALSO PAY OUT OF YOUR POCKET.

Karen says THE TORONTO HUMANE
SOCIETY HAS A LOT OF
STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIERS, THE
FORM OF A PIT BULL UP FOR
ADOPTION.
MY FRIEND WHO WAS THERE SAID
THERE WAS A LONG ROW OF
THESE DOGS TO BE PUT UP.
SO WHAT DO YOU DO IN TERMS
OF RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE
SURE THEY GO TO THE RIGHT
PERSON?

Amy says CERTAINLY WE HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY TO THE PUBLIC
THAT ALL OF THE DOGS,
REGARDLESS OF THE BREED, A
SOUND TEMPERAMENT AND
BEHAVIOUR BEFORE THEY ARE
ADOPTED OUT.
AND WE DO OUR VERY BEST TO
MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
WE'RE ABSOLUTELY -- YOU KNOW,
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE
RIGHT DOGS GET TO THE RIGHT
FAMILIES.
SO BEFORE THEY EVEN GET INTO
ADOPTION OUR VETS AND
SHELTER MANAGEMENT
DEPARTMENT HAS TOGETHER
DECIDED THAT YES, THIS DOG
IS APPROPRIATE FOR ADOPTION.
AND THEN WE DISCUSS WITH THE
NEW OWNERS EVERYTHING ABOUT
THAT DOG AND HOW IT CAME IN
AND WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT
AND MAYBE NOT A FAMILY WITH
YOUNG KIDS, MAYBE NOT A
FAMILY WITH A YOUNG CAT AT
HOME OR ANOTHER DOG, AND WE
LET THEM KNOW EVERYTHING WE
KNOW ABOUT THAT DOG AND THEN
WE CHOOSE WHO GETS TO HAVE
THAT PET.
NOT EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A
PIT BULL IN THEIR HOME.

Karen says NOW CALVIN IS AN
AMERICAN FOXHOUND.

Amy says YES.

Karen says IN TERMS OF THE
MUZZLE ORDERS -- I'M GLAD
CALVIN'S HERE SO MAYBE YOU
CAN DEMONSTRATE THE MUZZLES.
PART OF THIS STORY WAS THESE
TWO DOG, THE AKITO PIT BULL
COMBINATIONS WERE UNDER A
MUZZLE BECAUSE THEY ATTACKED
BEFORE.
THEY ACTUALLY KILLED ANOTHER
DOG.
THE MUZZLE ORDER WAS
IMPORTANT TO THIS STORY THAT
THE OWNER COULDN'T GET THE
MUZZEL ON IN TIME BEFORE IT
ATTACKED THE 16-YEAR-OLD.
LET'S LOOK AT HOW THEY WORK,
FIRST OF ALL.

Amy pulls out two muzzles and shows them to Karen.

She says THERE ARE A VARIETY OF
NAMES AND STYLES, BUT THESE
ARE BASICALLY THE TWO
STYLES.
THIS ONE IS CALLED “THE
CAGE” AND THIS IS A PLASTIC
KIND.
IT CAN BE METAL.

She demonstrates a rounded muzzle with bars.

She continues THIS IS CALLED A HUSHER AND
IT GOES OVER THE DOG'S MOUTH
AND BOTH ALLOW THE DOG TO
PANT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT.

She demonstrates a red muzzle with a black mesh lining.

She continues BECAUSE IF YOUR DOG'S ON A
MUZZLE ORDER, IT'S PROBABLY
A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME,
YOU STILL WANT YOUR DOG TO
BE ABLE TO PANT, GET A DRINK
OF WATER AND SORT OF DO WHAT
DOGS DO BUT STILL NOT ALLOW
TEAM TO BITE.

Karen says NOT BE ABLE TO BITE.

Amy says I THINK I HAD SAID
PUBLICLY BEFORE THAT THEY'RE
NOT -- THEY'RE A BAND AID TO
A PROBLEM.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE
YOUR PROBLEM.
PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVE A
DOG THAT HAS DOG TO DOG
ISSUES.
PUTTING THIS ON YOUR DOG AND
GOING TO THE PARK MAY
PREVENT YOUR DOG FROM BITING
SOMEBODY BUT WON'T PREVENT
YOUR DOG FROM TERRORIZING
ANOTHER DOG.
DOGS HAVE EXTRAORDINARY BODY
LANGUAGE IF YOU WATCH THEM,
BESIDES JUST THE HACK KELS
GOING UP, THEY HAVE A LOT OF
POSTURING.
THEY DO A LOT OF THINGS.
AND EVEN WITH THIS MUZZLE
ON, A LARGE DOG COULD
TERRORIZE A SMALL DOG OR
YOUNG PUPPY AND THEN THE NEW
PUPPY COULD BECOME
AGGRESSIVE.
IT'S A CHAIN REACTION.
SO IT'S NOT A SOLUTION, IT'S
A BAND AID.
I CAN SHOW WITH CALVIN.

Karen says HE DOESN'T MIND.
HE NORMALLY
WEAR ONE?

Amy says HE'S NEVER HAD ONE ON.

She reaches out to the dog and says COME ON.

The dog sits up.

She says IS IF YOUR DOG HAD TO
WEAR A MUZZLE AND IT'S
BITTEN AND ON A MUZZLE ORDER,
YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T GO
HOME AND PUT THIS ON AND SAY
NOW YOU'RE ON A MUZZLE.
BUT THE THEORY IS IT'S GOING
TO GO OVER HIS HEAD, AROUND
A MUZZLE AND BEHIND HIS HEAD
THIS ONE'S A LITTLE SNUG ON
HIM IT SHOULD GO BACK
FURTHER.

She accommodates the red muzzle around the dogs mouth. It keeps the mouth shut but still provides a space for the dog to slightly open its mouth.

She continues IF HE WANTED THERE'S STILL
ROOM IN HERE FOR HIM TO PANT
A LITTLE BITGET A DRINK OF
WATER, I THINK WHICH IS
PROBABLY NECESSARY.
OF COURSE HE'S NOT GOING TO
LIKE THIS.

Karen says LOOKS PRETTY TIGHT.

Amy says YEAH, BECAUSE HIS MOUTH
NEEDS TO BE RESTRICTED
ENOUGH THAT HE CAN'T OPEN
AND CLOSE IT ON SOMEBODY
ELSE.

Karen says RIGHT.

Amy takes the muzzle off and says THERE WE GO, SWEETIE.

She continues SO
WITH ANY THE MUZZLE, YOU
WANT TO MAKE SURE YOUR DOG
GETS USED TO WEARING THEM
BUT THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT
THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOUR
DOG IS NOT A BAD DOG
ANYMORE.
THERE IS A REASON THAT YOUR
DOG IS WEARING THIS.

Karen says AND SOME PEOPLE,
DOG OWNERS ACTUALLY PUT THEM
ON EVEN WHEN THE DOG HASN'T
BITTEN JUST BECAUSE THEY
FEEL THERE IS AN UNKNOWN,
WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT
WITH DOG OWNERS.
I'M A DOG LOVER, GREW UP
WITH A LAB, BUT SO MANY OF
US HAVE SAID OH, MY DOG
WOULD NEVER BITE AND IT JUST
TAKES THAT ONE TIME.

Amy says PART OF THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING A
DOG OWNER IS KNOWING YOUR
DOG'S LIMITS.
I DIDN'T GET CALVIN UNTIL HE
WAS FIVE AND HE WAS
UNNEUTERED AT THE TIME.
HE WAS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF
DOG FIGHTS BEFORE THAT HE IS
NOT GREAT WITH UNNEUTERED
MALE, AND I KNOW THAT.
SO I DON'T PUT HIM IN A
SITUATION WHERE HE'S GOING
TO BE AROUND A LOT OF
UNNEWTERED MALES WITHOUT ME
BEING RIGHT THERE.
IT'S IMPORTANT THAT HE'S
FOCUSED ON ME WHEN THERE ARE
OTHER DOGS LIKE THAT AROUND.
AND SOMETIMES IF WE'RE IN
THE PARK AND IT'S JUST TOO
MUCH, WE LEAVE.
IT'S NOT WORTH THE RISK FOR
HIM OR FOR ME OR FOR THE
OTHER DOG.
WE'RE NOT ENJOYING OURSELVES
AND WHY RISK SOMEBODY
GETTING BITTEN IF THERE'S A
SITUATION THAT HE CAN'T DEAL
WITH.

Karen says AND THERE'S ALSO A
LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY ON A
PERSON WHO'S WALKING IN THE
PARK IN A WAY THAT THEY --
OR ESPECIALLY PARENTS WITH
THEIR CHILDREN HAVE TO TEACH
THE CHILDREN ABOUT NOT
RUSHING DOGS.
THEY HAVE TO TEACH THE
CHILDREN ON HOW TO BEHAVE
AND REACT.
BUT THE DOGS THAT ATTACK THE
FIRST TIME, THESE TWO IN
QUESTION, THEY KILLED A DOG,
BUT THE REASON WHY THE OWNER
WASN'T PUNISHED THAT MUCH
WAS BECAUSE THE DOG IT
ATTACKED WASN'T ON A LEASH.
SO THERE SEEMS TO BE --
RESPONSIBILITY CAN BE SPREAD
AROUND IN THIS.

Amy says CERTAINLY THE
RESPONSIBILITY CAN BE SPREAD
AROUND.
PROBABLY, THOUGH, IF YOU ASK
THE WOMAN WHO OWNS THOSE
DOGS NOW, SHE PROBABLY COULD
HAVE FORESEEN THAT
HAPPENING.
A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY “OH, I
NEVER KNEW IT WAS GOING TO
HAPPEN.”
IT NEVER HAPPENS UNTIL IT
HAPPENS AND YOU PROBABLY
SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE OF
IT.
PROBABLY THE DOGS WERE
GIVING HER A LOT OF SIGNS
THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM AND
SHE MAY HAVE MISSED THOSE.
AND IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY
TO WATCH FOR THOSE.
I KNOW WHEN CALVIN IS
STRESSED.
HE USUALLY LICKS HIS LIP,
HE'S LIFTING HIS LEGS UP,
HE'S WHINING A BIT, HE'S
STRESSED.
AND HE'S TELLING ME THAT AND
I HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

Karen says AND THE DOGS
OVERPOWERED THIS DOG OWNER
TWICE, THAT THE DOGS WERE SO
STRONG AND SHE WAS SUCH A
SLEIGHT WOMAN THAT THEY GOT
AWAY FROM HER.
THAT CAN'T BE GOOD.

Amy says IT CAN'T BE GOOD.
I HAVE THREE DOGS, CALVIN IS
MY LARGEST.
CERTAINLY MY LITTLE DOG
WHO'S SEVEN POUNDS PROBABLY
GETS AWAY WITH A LOT MORE IN
THE DOG PARK THAN HE DOES.
HE SOMETIMES GOES UP AND
BEGS FOR TREAT, YOU KNOW,
PUTS HIS LITTLE FOOT ON
PEOPLE WHEN HE SITS UP.
CALVIN CAN'T DO THAT.
HE IS MUCH LARGER, AND EVEN
THOUGH I TRUST HIM, NOT
EVERYBODY WANTS HIM PUTTING
THEIR FEET ON HIM, AND I
NEED TO BE AN AMBASSADOR NOT
ONLY FOR MY DOGS BUT ALL DOG
OWNERS THAT I'M GOING TO
BRING MY DOGS TO THE PARK
AND THEY'RE GOING TO GHAIVE
A WAY THAT EVERYBODY IN THE
PARK IS COMFORTABLE WITH,
NOT JUST THE DOGS.

Karen says SO WHAT IS YOUR
MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO HAVE
WHAT ARE DEEMED AS MORE
AGGRESSIVE BREED, LIKE THE
PIT BULLS AND ROTTWEILERS
AND THOSE THINKING OF
GETTING THOSE ANIMALS.

Amy says WELL, I THINK FOR PEOPLE
WHO ALREADY OWN THOSE DOGS
THEY NEED TO PROBABLY BE
AWARE OF THEIR DOGS.
DO THEY HAVE A PROBLEM THAT
THEY'RE MAYBE NOT
IDENTIFYING OR CHOOSING NOT
TO DEAL WITH?
BUT NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF
THOSE BREEDS ARE GOING TO
HAVE PROBLEMS, AND I THINK
ALL DOG OWNERS NEED TO LOOK
AT THEIR OWN DOGS AND MAKE
SURE THAT THEY HAVE DOGS
THAT ARE SAFE IN THEIR HOMES
AND IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

Karen says OKAY, AMY, THANKS
VERY MUCH FOR COMING IN.

Amy says THANK YOU.

Karen says AND THANK YOU,
CALVIN.
WAS NICE TO MEET YOU.
AMY WHITE, THE DIRECTOR OF
COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE
TORONTO HUMANE SOCIETY.
FOR MORE INFORMATION YOU CAN
CHECK OUT THEIR WEBSITE.

A slate appears on screen that reads “Toronto Humane Society. Www.humanesociety-ca.org. 416-392-2273.”

Karen says COMING UP, OUR
FAVOURITE BIRDER IS STANDING
BY BUT FIRST, REMEMBERING
THE LITTLE-KNOWN VICTIMS OF
THE 1998 ICE STORM, THE
BIRDS, AND HOW A VERY
SPECIAL OTTAWA AREA HOSPITAL
HELPED THEM OUT.

A clip plays. From inside a wooden building in the middle of the woods, Kathy, in her fifties with brown hair pulled back, talks with a woman in her forties with short brown hair and takes notes as she asks questions.

Kathy says HI.

The woman says HI.

Kathy says says I'M KATHY NEHAY, IN
CHARGE OF THE BIRD CENTRE.
AND DID YOU FIND IT TODAY?

The woman says LAST NIGHT.
LAST NIGHT AROUND DINNER.

Kathy says OKAY.
WAS IT FLYING?

The woman says says UH, NOT REALLY.
IT, IT WOULD FLY JUST A
LITTLE BIT AND THEN LIKE
FALL TO THE GROUND.

Kathy says OKAY.
AND HAD YOU TRIED TO GET
AHOLD OF ANYBODY LAST NIGHT
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

The woman says YES, I CALLED THE HUMANE
SOCIETY AND THEY TOLD ME
THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT
THEY COULD DO, AND THEY GAVE
ME THIS NUMBER HERE.
AND I CALLED --

Kathy opens a small animal cage and looks inside. A bird bursts out and flies around the office at full speed.

As she chases after it, Kathy laughs and says FLIES PRETTY GOOD.

She cases the bird around and finally is able to scoop it up into her hands.

She narrates I'VE ALWAYS HAD A LOVE OF
WILDLIFE.
AND THEY'RE A COMPONENT IN
OUR WORLD THAT WE DON'T HAVE
SOMEONE TO LOOK AFTER THEM.
YOU KNOW, OUR CATS AND DOGS
HAVE HOSPITALS OR PEOPLE
HAVE HOSPITALS.
BUT BIRDS DON'T GENERALLY
SO, THAT'S REALLY WHAT SORT
OF PULLED ME INTO THAT.
I REALLY HATE TO SEE
SOMETHING SUFFERING
NEEDLESSLY.

She puts the bird back in the cage and says WELL, IT DOES... IT DOES
FLY.

The woman laughs and says OBVIOUSLY.

Kathy sits behind a desk with a large spotlight. She pulls down magnifying googles over her eyes while she holds the small bird in her hands. She uses a cotton swab to clean it while she narrates WHEN A BIRD COMES INTO
THE CENTRE, WE DO A THOROUGH
EXAMINATION OF IT, DOCUMENT
ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE
PROBLEMS AND THEY'RE
EXAMINED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM,
FROM THE INSIDE OF THEIR
MOUTH, THEIR EAR, THEIR NOSE
TO THE, THEIR STOMACH.
ALL OF THE FULL NETWORKS OF
THE BODY, THE LEG, THE
WINGS.

Now she holds a larger bird in her hands, who's feet are wrapped in bandages. A caption reads “Kathy Nihei. Wild Bird Care Center.”

She continues AND WE TAKE EVERY KIND OF
BIRD.
THIS IS A LITTLE PIGEON, BUT
YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THEM AS
WELL AS GREAT BLUE HERONS
AND LOONS AND OWLS.
ROB BIRNGS SPARROWS.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE TURN
AWAY.

Several shots from another clip show the snow-covered woods in the area. A caption reads “January 1998.”

She continues THE OTTAWA CARLETON AREA
WAS HIT WITH A REALLY SEVERE
ICE STORM EARLY THIS YEAR IN
JANUARY, AND THE IMMINENT
EFFECT WAS THAT THE TREES,
THE CANOPY OF THE FOREST,
THEY WERE JUST DEVASTATED.
AND THEN FURTHER DOWN THE
ROAD, WITH THE NESTING
PATTERNS BEING DISTURBED BY
THE DISTURBED CANOPIES OF
THE FOREST, WE'LL BE
PROBABLY LOOKING AT A LOT
MORE BIRDS COMING IN AS A
RESULT OF THAT.
THE LOST HABITAT IS JUST
ENORMOUS.
SOME OF THE EFFECTS OF THE
ICE STORM, OF COURSE, WAS
THAT BIRDS WERE WITHOUT A
NORMAL SUPPLY OF FOOD.
AND THEY WERE GETTING THIN.
AS A RESULT OF THAT THEIR
IMMUNE SYSTEMS WERE, YOU
KNOW, HAD A TERRIFIC BLOW,
AND A NUMBER OF THEM HAVE
COME IN, HIGH NUMBER OF THEM
HAVE COME IN SICK AS A
DIRECT RESULT OF THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT FOR
A BIRD SUCH AS BIRDS OF PREY
THAT WOULD BE LOOKING FOR
FOOD OUT IN THE FIELDS,
THEY'D BE WITHOUT A NORMAL
ABILITY TO GET MICE AND
MOLES AND SO ON, BECAUSE
THEY WERE CAUGHT UNDERNEATH
THE ICE.
SO IT WAS JUST IMPOSSIBLE
FOR THEM TO GET THEIR FOOD.

Shots show the variety of birds living in the center.

She continues A NUMBER OF OTHER BIRDS THAT
ACTUALLY HIDE UNDER THE SNOW
NORMALLY, THEY WOULD HAVE
BEEN ACTUALLY TRAPPED UNDER
THE SNOW.
SO WE'LL PROBABLY NEVER EVEN
SEE THOSE ONES.
THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW,
STATISTICS SOMEWHERE NOW.

Kathy opens up a cage and caresses a pigeon.

She continues THIS IS A PIGEON THAT CAME
IN IN JANUARY, AND IT WAS
CERTAINLY A DIRECT RESULT OF
THE ICE STORM.
THE PLUMAGE WAS ICED OVER
AND PRETTY DISSHEVELED AND
IT STILL IS REGROWING SOME
OF THE FEATHERS.
THE FEET WERE ALSO SWOLLEN
AND IT WAS SUFFERING FROM
THE EFFECTS OF THE COLD AT
THAT POINT.

A baby duck swims around in a bathtub filled with water.

She continues MANKIND HAS HAD A
TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE
WELFARE OF THE WILDLIFE IN
GENERAL AND THE WHOLE
ECOSYSTEM BUT HERE AT THE
CENTRE WE KNOW APPROXIMATELY
90 PERCENT OF THE BIRDS THAT COME
IN ARE AS A DIRECTOR
INDIRECT RELATIONSHIP TO,
YOU KNOW, MANKIND BEING IN
THEIR SPACE.
THE BIRDS THAT COME IN HERE
ARE PRIMARILY HIT BY CARS...
IMPACTING AGAINST WINDOWS,
CAUGHT BY CATS.

Kathy walks around the center grounds and looks up at the treetops.

She says WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY
UNUSUAL TYPE OF RESCUES THAT
OCCUR HERE AT THE CENTRE.
IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO
BE UP IN THE -- YOU KNOW, UP
TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT, IN THE MIDDLE OF
WINTER WITH A BIRD STRUNG
BETWEEN TWO BRANCHES, CAUGHT
WITH ITS LEG HANGING
UPSIDEDOWN.
AND YOU CAN'T LEAVE THEM
LIKE THAT.
THAT WAS ONE SITUATION I
FOUND MYSELF IN.
AND ANOTHER SITUATION WAS
GOING DOWN A SEWER SYSTEM TO
GET A FAMILY OF A DOZEN
DUCKLINGS THAT HAD FALLEN
THROUGH THE GRILLS IN THE
ROAD.
BUT OUR MOST UNUSUAL ONE, I
GUESS, AND OUR BEST-KNOWN
RESCUE WAS OF COURSE ALICIA
THE CHILEAN FLAM GO WHO
ESCAPE FROM A SANCTUARY IN
CONNECTICUT BACK IN
NOVEMBER.

A white flamingo relaxes in a bathtub filled with water and eats from a black bowl.

Kathy continues AND SHE JUST LITERALLY
CAPTIVATED THE HEARTS AND
INTEREST OF PEOPLE ACROSS
CANADA, AND YOU KNOW,
GENERALLY NORTH AMERICA.
SHE TOOK UP THIS FLIGHT THAT
TOOK HER ALL THE WAY FROM
CONNECTICUT AND SOMEHOW SHE
LANDED HERE IN THE NATIONAL
CAPITAL REGION, WHICH IF SHE
HAD TO LAND ANY PLACE IN THE
PROVINCE, THIS WAS PROBABLY
THE RIGHT PLACE TO DO IT
BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T HAVE
HAD A CHANCE ANYWHERE ELSE.
SO SHE'S NOW BACK HOME WITH
HER MATE, AND AS I
UNDERSTAND, LOOKING PRETTY.

A male and a female Veterinarian examine some birds.

Kathy continues IN 1981 I HAD HAD ONE
HUMMINGBIRD THAT WAS BROUGHT
TO ME, AND THEN THAT REALLY
TRIG BERED MY INTEREST.
BY 1982 I HAD 250.
AND THEN AFTER THAT THE
NUMBERS JUST SOARED, UP TO
THE RATE NOW THAT WE GET
3500 TO 4,000 BIRDS A YEAR
BROUGHT TO US.
AND CERTAINLY THERE'S NO
MONEY IN IT.
SO IT WAS JUST A VOLUNTEER
THING, AND IT CAPTURED MY
HEART THEN, AND IT HELD MY
HEART.
AND SO I'M STILL DOING IT
AND I'LL PROBABLY DO IT YOU
KNOW, UNTIL I CAN'T ANY
LONGER.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Karen says WELL, MY NEXT
GUEST HAS RESCUED HIS FAIR
SHARE OF BIRDS.
DAN STUCK KEY.

Dan's in his thirties and clean-shaven with long blonde hair. He wears a beige shirt and a black vest.

Karen continues HE IS AN AVID BIRDER AND
NATURALIST AT THE KORTRIGHT
CENTRE FOR CONSERVATION AND
IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS
ABOUT BIRD, SOME YOU'VE
SPOTTED, SOME YOU'D LIKE TO
IDENTIFY OR YOU'D LIKE IT
SHARE YOUR FAVOURITE BIRDS
ON YOUR LIST, OR ALSO IF YOU
WANT TO KNOW HOW TO APPROACH
A BIRD THAT MAY BE IN
TROUBLE, ALTHOUGH THOSE
QUESTIONS AS WE TALK BIRDING,
IN TORONTO, 416-484-2727.
LONG DISTANCE IS
1-888-411-1234.
BANK
AND WE HAVE TWO FAMILY
PASSES TO GIVE AWAY TO THE
KORTRIGHT CENTRE FOR
CONSERVATION TO TWO CALLERS
WHOSE QUESTIONS MAKE IT ONTO
THE AIR AND WE'LL ANNOUNCE
THAT AT THE END OF THE SHOW.
DAN, THANKS SO MUCH FOR
COMING IN.
GOOD IT SEE YOU AGAIN.

Dan says GOOD TO BE
HERE, MY PLEASURE.

Karen says LET'S START WITH
THE ICE STORM HERE, OF
COURSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT
IN TWO YEARS, SOMETHING AS
SEVERE, BUT WE'VE HAD A LOT
OF SNOW THIS YEAR.
HOW DOES THAT EFFECT THE
BIRDS?

The caption changes to “Dan Stuckey. Naturalist.”

Dan says THOSE BIRDS
THAT ARE RESIDENTS AROUND
HERE, YEAR-ROUND RESIDENT,
IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT
THEM TOO MUCH.
THEY DO HAVE TO BE A BIT
BETTER AT FINDING FOOD
SOURCES, BUT I GUESS THE
BIRDS THAT IT EFFECTS THE
MOST WERE LATE MIGRANT,
TRAPPED UP HERE BEFORE THEY
GOT SOUTH.
BIRD LIKE ROBIN, FOR EXAMPLE,
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO
SURVIVE, AND THERE ARE
WINTERING ROBINS, BUT THEY
MIGHT BE HAVING A LITTLE
HARDER TIME.
BUT MOST BIRDS ARE USED TO
IT.

Karen says THEY WOULDN'T HAVE
A MORE DIFFICULT TIME TO
FIND FOOD BECAUSE IT'S UNDER
THE SNOW?

Dan says UM, A LITTLE
BIT.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'VE ADAPTED.
THEY'VE EVOLVED -- THEY'VE
HAD IT REALLY EASY THE LAST
NUMBER OF YEARS.
THIS ONE'S MUCH MORE
TYPICAL.
WHAT YOU DO NOTICE WITH
WINTERBIRDS IN A WINTER LIKE
THIS THEY DO CONCENTRATE IN
AREAS WHERE THEY KNOW THERE
IS FOOD.
THERE MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH,
THERE MIGHT NOT BE AS MANY
BIRDS SPREAD ALL OVER THE
PLAY, THEY'LL BE
CONCENTRATED IN GOOD FOOD
SOURCE AREAS.

Karen says DO THEY RELY ON
OUR BIRDFEEDERS A LOT MORE
THEN?

Dan says A LITTLE BIT
MORE.
THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING
QUESTION AND A POINT OF
DEBATE AMONGST THE BIRDING
WORLD.
BUT RESEARCH DOES SUGGEST
THAT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE,
BIRDS DO RELY ON FEEDERS A
LITTLE MORE HEAVILY IN
WINTERS LIKE THIS, BUT NEVER
WILL A BIRDFEEDER MAKE UP
MORE THAN USUALLY 20 TO 25 PERCENT
OF A BIRD'S DAILY FORAGING.

Karen says SO IT'S JUST A
SNACK.

Dan says YEAH, IT'S
PART OF THEIR DAILY NEEDS.

Karen says RIGHT, AND THEN WE
GET THE ADVANTAGE OF COURSE
OF SEEING THEM AND
ATTRACTING THEM TO OUR
PROPERTY.
WHAT'S THE BEST THING TO
FOOT IN BIRDFEEDERS.
I KNOW SOME ARE SPECIALLY
DESIGNED FOR CERTAIN TYPES
OF FEED THAN OTHERS SO WALK
US THROUGH THAT.

Dan says WELL, IF YOU
FED NOTHING ELSE BUT
SUNFLOWER SEED, BE IT THE
STRIPED VARIETY OR THE BLACK
OIL VARIETY, YOU'RE
PROVIDING THE PREFERRED FOOD
OF ABOUT 80 PERCENT OF OUR WINTER
BIRD SO THE SUNFLOWER SEED
IS THE BEST.
ANY THE SUNFLOWERS ARE GOOD
BUT THE BLACK OIL SUNFLOWER,
LITTLE WEE BLACK THING,
THEY'RE THE BEST, MOST
NUTRITIOUS SO IF THAT'S THE
BEST FOOD TO PROVIDE, SOME
OF THE SPECIALTY SEEDS AND
SPECIALTY FEEDERS YOU
MENTIONED, YOU MIGHT GET THE
THISTLE OR NIGER SEED AND
IT'S A REALLY SMALL BLACK
SEED, TOO, AND A REAL
FAVOURITE OF WENT TERG
AMERICAN GOLDFINCHES, FOR
EXAMPLE, AND RED POLES AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO SUNFLOWER, A LITTLE BIT
OF WHITE MILLET, SPECIALTY
FEEDERS WITH NIGER, CUT CORN
IS A GOD ONE, TOO.

Karen says NOW WHEN IT COMES
TO STORING YOUR FEED, I KNOW
YOU SHOULD NOT DO IT INDOORS
BECAUSE IT ATTRACTS MICE AND
I HAVE HUGE MOUSE FEAR.
SO I DON'T WANT MICE
ANYWHERE NEAR MY HOUSE SO,
YOU GOT TO KEEP THE FEED,
MAKE SURE IT'S OUTSIDE.
BUT IF YOU STRATEGICLY WANT
TO AS YOU SAY ATTRACT
CERTAIN TYPES OF BIRDS,
THERE PLACES YOU SHOULD
THINK ABOUT PUTTING THEM
MORE AT CERTAIN PARTS OF THE
GARDEN?
FRONT YARD VERSUS BACK?
MORE SUN, LESS SUN?

Dan says PROBABLY THE
MOST IMPORTANT THING IF
YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED
ABOUT WANTING THE BEST
VARIETY OF BIRD AT YOUR
FEEDER, SOME VEGETATION
NEARBY IS REALLY IMPORTANT
FOR PERCHING, ESCAPE COVER
AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT AN
EVERGREEN TREE IN THE
BACKYARD WITH A DECIDUOUS
TREE NEARBY, SOMEWHERE NEAR
THERE IS A GOOD IDEA.
BIRDS CAN PERCH AT THE TRIES
AND GETS AWAY FROM PREDATORS
LIKE CATS OR HAWKS OR
WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST
THING.
THE ONE THING TO AVOID,
THOUGH, IS WHAT HAPPENS A
LOT IN THE WINTERTIME WITH
BIRD AT FEEDERS, THEY MIGHT
COLLIDE WITH WINDOWS.
AND THAT'S A SERIOUS
PROBLEM.
SO WHAT WE RECOMMEND IN THAT
IS EITHER HAVE THE FEEDER
REALLY, REALLY CLOSE TO THE
WINDOW, SO THE BIRD, IF IT
DOES PLAY AWAY SUDDENLY IT
DOESN'T GET THE SPEED UP TO
HURT ITSELF AGAINST THE
WINDOW.

Karen says OKAY.

Dan says OR REALLY
FAR AWAY FROM THE WINDOW.
THIS TEN TO 15 FEET MIGHT BE
JUST THE RIGHT DISTANCE FOR
THEM TO REALLY --

Karen says BUT IF IT'S SO
CLOSE TO THE WINDOW LIKE
THAT I WILL BE AFRAID WHEN
IT WAS COMING IN THAT IT
WOULD GET TO THE WINDOW.
I GUESS IT WOULD BE HEADING
RIGHT FOR THE FEEDER.

Dan says YEAH.
THAT'S NOT REALLY -- THAT
WOULDN'T BE SO MUCH OF A
PROBLEM.

Karen laughs and says IT'S NOT GOING TO
GET OFF COURSE AND GO INTO
THE WINDOW.

Dan says POSSIBLY NOT,
YEAH.

Karen says OKAY, LET'S GO TO
ANNETTE, CALLING IN FROM
TORONTO WITH HER QUESTIONS
AS WE TALK BIRDING ON “MORE
TO LIFE.”
HI ANNETTE.

Annette says HI.
HOW ARE YOU TODAY?

Karen says GOOD THANKS.

Annette says GOOD.
MY PROBLEM IS I'VE BEEN
FEEDING A BIRD, I DON'T KNOW,
MUST BE 12, 13 FEET, MY
FEEDER, AWAY.
TWO OF THEM I HAVE.
ONE IS AN OPEN ONE WITH THE
ROOF AND THE OTHER SOMEONE A
CLOSED ONE, JUST FOR THE
LITTLE BIRDS.
BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN COMING
AROUND AS OFTEN AS THEY USED
TO AND I CAN'T UNDERSTAND
WHY, EXCEPT, I THINK I SAW A
BIGGER BIRD THAT'S SORT OF
BROWNISH AND WHITE WINGS,
AND COULD IT BE A HAWK
THAT'S KEEPING THEM AWAY
FROM MY FEEDER?
THEY'RE AFRAID TO COME.

Dan says YEAH.
OH, QUITE POSSIBLY.
AGAIN, AN OBVIOUS THING, IN
THE WINTERTIME, WE'RE
CONCENTRATING SMALL BIRDS AT
A FOOD SOURCE SO THAT
CONCENTRATION OF BIRDS IS A
NICE CONCENTRATION OF PREY
FOR PREDATORY ANIMAL, BE IT
A HAWK OR CAT OR WHATEVER,
SO YES, YOU COULD HAVE A
WINTERING SHARP SHINNED HAWK
OR A WINTERING COOPERS HAWK,
OR EVEN THE NORTHERN SHRI
KEMD, WHICH IS A PERCHING
BIRD.
IT'S A SONGBIRD BUT A
PREDATORY SONGBIRD AND WE'VE
GOT ONE TERRORIZING OUR
FEEDERS AT WORK, ACTUALLY.

Karen says OH, DO YOU?

Dan says YEAH, AND SO
YES, THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
AND THE OTHER THING,
REMEMBER, BIRD FEEDING HAS
BECOME SUCH A POPULAR
ACTIVITY THAT THERE MAY BE
MORE AND MORE BIRDFEEDERS IN
YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD.
AND THEY MAY BE ATTRACTING
THE BIRDS AWAY FROM YOURS
AND THEY MIGHT HAVE FOUND A
MORE PREFERRED FEEDER.
SO THERE'S ALL SORTS OF
REASONS WHY YOU MIGHT NOT BE
HAVING THE BIRDS AT YOUR
FEEDER.
BUT THE TALK IS A GOOD
REASON.

Karen says YEAH, GOOD GUESS,
ANNETTE.
BECAUSE WHEN I THINK OF THE
HAWK IT REMINDS ME OF THE
GREY HORNED HAUL WHEN YOU
SAID ATTACK.
THIS GREY HORNED AUL UP IN
TIMMINS IS ATTACKING
CROSS-COUNTRY SKIERS?
THAT'S RIGHT OUT OF A BAD
HITCHCOCK FILM.

Dan says THAT WOULD
BE TERRIFYING.
THEY'RE A POWERFUL BIRD.
I WAS TALKING WITH A
CONSERVATION OFFICER FROM UP
IN TIMMINS WHO HAD SOMETHING
TO DO WITH THE SITUATION,
AND YEAH, THAT'S A VERY RARE
OCCURRENCE, BUT IT HAS
HAPPENED, AND I'VE KNOWN OF
OTHER SITUATIONS IN THE PAST
WHERE OWLS, PARTICULARLY AT
THIS TIME THE GREAT HORNED
OWL IS JUST STARTING ITS
BREEDING SEASON.
THEY'RE A VERY EARLY BREEDER
SO THAT ONE UP THERE WAS
PROBABLY SETTING UP A
TERRITORY, DEFENDING A
TERRITORY, AND UNFORTUNATELY
GOT IN TROUBLE WITH A PERSON.

Karen says WEFT PETERSON'S
FIELD GUIDE THAT'S GOING TO
HELP US OUT WITH OUR
DISCUSSION.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PICTURE
OF THE GREAT HORNED OWL.
LET'S SEE HOW IT LOOKS.

A screenshot of an Internet article from the Peterson Multimedia Guide entitled “Great Horned Owl” appears on screen. The owl is either white or brown with yellow eyes and long eyebrows that extend out on top of its head.

Dan says OUR BIGGEST
AND MOST POWERFUL OWL IN
THIS AREA AND CAN BE VERY
AGGRESSIVE.

Karen says CAN IT DO MUCH
DAMAGE?

Dan says CERTAINLY
CAN.

Karen says DIDN'T HAVE A
PICTURE OF THE CLAWS THERE.
MIGHT BE THE ONE IN THE
CORNERMENT.
NO, IT'S NOT THE CLAW,
BECAUSE I WOULD IMAGINE
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HIT
THE HEAD FIRST.

Dan says YES, IT
WOULD BE AND WHEN TALKING
ABOUT HANDLING INJURED BIRDS
BIRDS, IF YOU EVER HAVE TO
HANDLE AN OWL OF ANY SORT,
PARTICULARLY A GREAT HORNED,
THE THING TO BE MOST
CONCERNED WITH ARE ITS FEET.
THAT'S WHAT'LL GIVE YOU A --
IT WOULD BE LIKE A VICE GRIP
ON YOU AND IT CAN PUT ITS
CLAWS RIGHT THROUGH YOUR
ARM.

Karen says BECAUSE PEOPLE
MIGHT THINK OF THE BEAK AND
PECKING AS OPPOSED TO COMING,
SWOOPING DOWN WITH THE
CLAWS.

Dan says THE BEAK IS
NOT SOMETHING TO BE TOO
CONCERNED WITH ALTHOUGH KEEP
THAT UNDER CONTROL AS WELL,
BUT HANDLING ANY BIRD OF
PREY, KEEP THE FEET WELL
AWAY FROM YOU BECAUSE IT'LL
GRAB YOU AND YOU'RE DONE.

Karen says LET'S GO TO ASSAD
CALLING IN FROM SCARBOROUGH.
HIGH ASSAD.

Assad says HI, HOW ARE YOU?

Karen says GA GOOD THANKS.

Assad says GREAT.
I'D LIKE TO ASK DAN A
QUESTION.
WE HAVE FINCHES FLYING
AROUND IN THE LIVING ROOM.
WE HAVE THEM OPEN, THEY'RE
ON THE PLANTS AND EVERYTHING
AND I HAD AN OWL FLY IN AND
RUN INTO MY BALCONY DOOR
TWICE, AND IT WOULD SIT
THERE AND BE DAZED FOR ABOUT
A HALF HOUR, JUST SAT THERE.
AND WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE
SHOULD APPROACH IT OR IF WE
SHOULD LEAVE IT OR --

Karen says SO THE OWL SAW THE
FINCH FLYING AROUND IN YOUR
HOUSE AND YOU CAME AND HAD A LOOK?

Assad says WE LIVE NEAR THE
ROUGE VALUELY, NEAR
PICKERING AND I GUESS THAT'S
WHERE IT'S FROM.
THEY COME OUT AT NIGHT TO
LOOK FOR FOOD AND IT SWOOPED
IN ONCE, HIT THE GLASS AND
IT WAS GONE REAL QUICK.
WE THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS A
SMALLER BIRD.
MY BROTHER THOUGHT IT WAS A
DOVE.
AND THE SECOND TIME IT CAME
AROUND, IT HIT THE GLASS
REALLY HARD AND IT SAT THERE
WITH ITS WINGS SPREAD, SORT
OF SHAKING ITS HEAD.

Karen says SO SHOULD THEY
EVER APPROACH IT OR JUST
LEAVE IT TO BE?

Dan says UM, THAT'S
DEBATABLE.
IF IT IS SITTING UPRIGHT AND
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT ITS
WITS ABOUT IT, LEAVE IT.
JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, AN OWL
IS A DANGEROUS BIRD TO
HANDLE.
BUT IF IT DOES -- IF IT
STAYS DOWN AND DOESN'T LOOK
LIKE IT'S GOT ITS WITS ABOUT
IT THEN IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO
PICK IT UP AND FOR ANY
INJURED BIRD IN THAT
SITUATION, THE BEST THING TO
DO IS TO HANDLE IT VERY
GENTLY AND CAREFULLY, PUT IT
IN A CARDBOARD BOX, CLOSE
THE BOX UP.
DON'T FEED IT AND DON'T GIVE
IT ANY WATER.
KEEP IT IN A WARM, DARK
SPACE, AND SEE IF IT
RECOVERS ON ITS OWN.
AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN
CONTACT A LOCAL WILDLIFE
REHABILITATION FACILITY AND
THEY'LL GIVE HIM SOME HELP.

Karen says INCREDIBLE
EYESIGHT THOUGH, TO BE ABLE
TO LOOK INTO THE HOME OF
WINDOWS AND SEE BIRDS FLYING
AROUND.

Dan says YEAH, THAT
IS AN AMAZING THING, YEAH.

Karen says YOUR CHRISTMAS
WALK IS FAMOUS.
WE'RE ALL WRAPPING PRESENTS
AND DOING THE CHRISTMAS
THING AND YOU'RE OUT WITH
BIRDERS WHO ARE TRACKING AND
RECORDING TYPES OF BIRDS.
HOW SUCCESS OF WAS IT THIS
YEAR?

Dan says MY
PARTICULAR CHRISTMAS BIRD
COUNT WASN'T THAT SUCCESSFUL
UNFORTUNATELY, PERSONALLY.
IT WAS LOUSY WEATHER.
IT RAINED ALL AFTERNOON SO,
THAT REALLY CUT THE BIRDING
OUT.
WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING IN
MY AREA THAT UNUSUAL.
BUT WITHIN THE WHOLE COUNT
AREA WE DID GET SOME
INTERESTING THINGS.
SOME OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS GOT
BALD EAGLES FOR EXAMPLE ON
LAKE SIMCOE.
AND EVEN A GOLDEN EAGLE WAS
RECORDED FROM ONE OF OUR
GROUPS.
SO ALL IN ALL OUR COUNT AREA,
WITH EVERYBODY CONTRIBUTING
WAS PRETTY GOOD BUT MINE, I
DIDN'T DO VERY WELL AT ALL.

Karen says OH, THAT'S
DISAPPOINTING BUT THE WHOLE
IDEA OF THIS IS TO COUNT AND
KEEP A RECORD AND ARE WHAT
IS IT?
A YEARLY REVOW OF IT?
WHAT'S DONE WITH THE
NUMBERS?

Dan says THEY'RE PUBLISHED
ANNUALLY IN THE CHRISTMAS
BIRD COUNT BOOK THAT YOU CAN
GET AS A CONTRIBUTOR.
AND THEN IT'S JUST -- IT'S
USED FOR DETERMINING TRENDS
IN BIRD POPULATIONS AND IT'S
DONE ALL OVER NORTH AMERICA
NOW.
IT'S ONE OF THE BEST
LONG-TERM SORT OF SNAPSHOTS
OF BIRD POPULATIONS THAT WE
COMPILE EVERY YEAR SO IT'S A
VERY VALUABLE DATA SOURCE.

Karen says SO THIS PETERSON FIELD
GUIDE WE'RE USING TODAY IS
ON CD ROM, I GUESS IT'S A
BIBLE FOR YOU BIRDERS AND
IT'S GREAT TO BE ABLE TO
JUST CALL UP A NAME SO LET'S
DO THAT.
YOU MENTIONED THE GOLDEN
EAGLE.
I'M INTRIGUED BY THAT.
WE JUST PUNCH IT INTO THE
COMPUTER, JUST THE NAME
GOLDEN EAGLE AND THEN IT
COMES UP WITH THE HELP THIS
CD ROM.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT
THE GOLDEN EAGLE?

A screenshot of an Internet article from the Peterson Multimedia Guide entitled “Birds of Prey” appears on screen. Next to some text a picture shows several different types of eagles.

Dan says THAT'S A REALLY GOOD
BIRD, A GOOD SIGHTING TO GET
IN ONTARIO.
AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE
PICTURE, IT'S VERY SIMILAR
TO AN IMMATURE BALD EAGLE.
THEY'RE BOTH BROWN, LARGE --
VERY LARGE, BROWN BIRDS.
THE BALD EEG GAL IN ONTARIO
IS MUCH MORE COMMON THAN THE
GOLDEN EAGLE BUT IT'S IN THE
WINTERTIME THAT WE DO OFTEN
GET GOLDEN EAGLES.
THERE'S AN AREA IN EASTERN
ONTARIO, PETROGLYPHS
PROVEGHTSAL PARK WILL OFTEN
HOLD WINTERING GOLDEN AND
BALD EAGLES.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY I THINK
THREE OR FOUR BALD EAGLES
SEEN OUT THERE ON A TRIP
THIS PAST WEEKEND.
SO THEY'RE A TOUGH BIRD TO
FIND, ESPECIALLY THE GOLDEN
EAGLE IN ONTARIO, BUT IF YOU
GET ONE IT'S A GREAT
SIGHTING.

Karen says THE ONLY WAY I CAN
REALLY TELL A HAWK IS ANY
DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER
BIRD WHEN I'M LOOKING UP IS
JUST THE WING SPANIT DOESN'T
MOVE.
IT'S NOT FLAPPING.
SO IN THE GREEN SPACE IN OUR
AREA WE FIND WE SEE A LOT OF
HAWKS AND YOU CAN TELL JUST
BECAUSE THE WING SPAN'S SO
LONG AND THEY'RE NOT
FLAPPING LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE.
THAT'S THE WAY WE DO IT.

Dan says AND THOSE
ARE GOOD OBSERVATIONS.
MOST OF OUR BIRDS OF PREY
TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOARING AS
A METHOD OF FLIGHT, AND
THEIR LARGE WING SPAN HELPS
THEM WITH THAT SO YEAH,
THAT'S A GOOD WAY.
ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE SMALLER
ONES.

Karen laughs and says IT'S NOT A CROW.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A CROW,
IT'S GOT TO BE A HAWK.
LET'S GO TO AN E-MAIL.

She looks at the computer screen next to her and reads WONDERING IF DAN HAS ANY
COMMENT ON THE LACK OF BIRDS
IN SPECIFIC AREAS.
I LIVE EAST OF THUNDER BAY
AND TAKE PART IN THE BIRD
FEEDER WATCH, THERE HAVE
BEEN ALMOST NO BIRDS TO
WATCH SINCE BEFORE
CHRISTMAS.
THE WEATHER
IS NOT UNUSUAL, SNOW AND
COLD BUT NOTHING DRASTIC.
WHAT COULD IT BE?

Dan says AGAIN, I CAN
ONLY SPECULATE.
THE -- THAT'S AN INTERESTING
COMMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT
SEEN -- IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO,
A MOVEMENT OF WHAT WE REFER
TO AS NORTHERN WINTER
FINCHES DOWN, SO I WOULD
HAVE ASSUMED THAT THEY'RE
STILL UP THERE, THINGS LIKE
EVENING GROSBEAKS AND PURPLE
FINCHES AND COMMON RED POLES
AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALL I
CAN SUGGEST IS -- AND AGAIN,
PROJECT FEEDER WATCH DOES
GIVE US THOSE KINDS OF, THAT
KIND OF INFORMATION.
BIRDS CAN BE VERY NOMADIC IN
THE WINTER WHERE THEY CHOOSE
TO WINTER.
AND ONE YEAR ALL OF THOSE
BIRDS MIGHT BE IN
NORTHEASTERN NORTH AMERICA,
THE NEXT WINTER THEY MIGHT
BE IN THE MIDWEST OF NORTH
AMERICAMENTAND SO THAT
LISTENER'S CONTRIBUTION
HELPS US UNDERSTAND THAT SO
THE BIRDS JUST MAY BE EN
MASSE, WINTERING IN A
DIFFERENT PART OF THE
CONTINENT.

Karen says WHAT I LOVE ABOUT
THE BIRDFEEDER WATCH
PROGRAMME IS THAT ANYONE CAN
DO IT.
I MEAN, SOMETIMES YOU CAN
FEEL A LITTLE INTIMIDATED BY
GETTING INTO ANYTHING, ANY
HOBBY THAT THERE ARE EXPERTS
AND THE PASSIONATE BIRDER
WHOSE COULD TALK ALL NIGHT
ABOUT IT BUT IF YOU JUST
HAVE YOUR FEEDER IN THE
BACKYARD AND YOU'RE LIVING
IN TORONTO, MISSISSAUGA,
BRAMPTON, OR UP NORTH, THAT
YOU CAN JUST RECORD IT AND
ADD IT TO EVERYBODY ELSE'S
OBSERVATIONS.

Dan says THAT'S
RIGHT.

Karen says IT'S A GREAT WAY
OF BEING INVOLVED.

Dan says IT IS.
AND WINTER BIRD WATCHING IS
A LOT EASIER, ESPECIALLY IN
ONTARIO, BECAUSE WE'VE LOST
70 OR 80 PERCENT OF OUR BIRDS TO
MIGRATION SO IF A VIEWER IS
INTERESTED IN STARTING BIRD
WATCHING, WINTER IS A GREAT
TIME TO DO IT, BECAUSE
THERE'S FEWER BIRDS.
YOU CAN GET COMFORTABLE WITH
IDENTIFYING THAT SMALL GROUP
OF BIR, AND LIKE YOU SAY,
CONTRIBUTING TO A PROJECT
LIKE FEEDER WATCH IS A
GREAT.

Karen says LET'S GO TO PAT
CALLING IN WITH THE NEXT
QUESTION FROM TORONTO.

Pat says HI, I WANTED TO
DELL WITH THE MUNDANE PIGEON
ISSUE IN TORONTO.
I LIVE IN A HIGH RISE AND
THERE ARE ABOUT 15 TO 20 OF
THEM LIVING NEXT DOOR IN THE
OTHER BALCONY AND THE PEOPLE
THAT LIVE THERE ARE AWAY ON
VACATION INDEFINITELY AND
I'M FACED WITH TRYING TO
EVICT THEM AT SOME POINT AND
WANT TO KNOW THE HEALTHIEST
WAY TO DO SO FOR BOTH ME AND
THEM.

Karen says OKAY.

Dan says THAT'S A
TOUGH PROBLEM.

Karen says 15 TO 20.

Dan says ONCE THEY
GET TO LAKE A ROOST THEY'RE
HARD TO EVICT.
IF THEY'RE USING THE RAILING
OF THE BALANCE CONNIE THE
MOST FOR ROOSTING ON, ONE OF
THE BEST WAYS IS -- THERE
ARE PRODUCTS AVAILABLE, SORT
OF LIKE BARBED WIRE, IF YOU
WILL, THAT YOU WOULD WRAP
THE TOP RAILING WITH, THAT
IS SPECIALLY DESIGNED TO
PREVENT THE BIRDS FROM
ROOSTING ON IT.
AND THAT'S A VERY HUMANE WAY
OF -- THEY'LL TOUCHDOWN,
FEEL THE SHARPNESS AND THEN
FLY OFF.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST
METHOD, IF THEY'RE ONLY USE
THE RAILING.

Karen says PAT, ARE THEY VERY
LOUD?
ARE THEY KEEPING YOU AWAKE?

Pat says THEY JUST KIND OF
DIVE BOMB PAST MY BALCONY,
AND YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A
MESS.
A DIRTY MESS.

Karen says AND YOU'D THINK
THE SUPER INTEND ANT WOULD
HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS,
TOO, BECAUSE IT'S AN
IMPORTANT NEXT DOOR.
WHAT ABOUT -- YOU SEE THE
FLOWERS THAT ROTATE, THOSE
PLASTIC THINGS YOU CAN BUY
AT GARDEN CENTRES.

Dan says I DON'T, I
DON'T THINK THOSE KINDS OF
THINGS WORK THAT WELL.
LIKE PEOPLE WILL SUGGEST
THOSE PLASTIC OWLS AND
THINGS?
TO SCARE THEM AWAY?
THEY MIGHT WORK FOR FIVE
MINUTES, BUT THEN AFTER THAT,
YOU'LL SEE A PIGEON ROOSTING
ON ITS HEAD, YOU KNOW?
THEY DON'T WORK TOO WITH.
ALL I CAN SUGGEST FOR THAT
AGAIN IS FIXING UP THE
RAILING SO THEY CAN'T PERCH
ON IT, AND THEN JUST
CONTINUALLY TRY TO SHOO THEM
AWAYIF YOU KEEP DOING THAT
THEY MAY GET THE MESSAGE.

Karen says THEY ARE MESSY.
WE'RE TALKING BIRDING HERE
TODAY ON “MORE TO LIFE” WITH
DAN STUCKEY, OUR FAVOURITE
BIRDER.
BIRDING, ONES YOU'VE SEEN OR
PROBLEMS LIKE WE'VE JUST HAD
FROM A GOOD LUCK.
GETS GO TO JILL CALLING FROM
TROND.

Jill says HI, I'M CALLING
FROM LONDON, ACTUALLY.

Karen says OH, SORRY ABOUT
THAT.

Jill says THAT'S OKAY.
YEAH, I HAVE SEVERAL
CARDINALS COME TO MY
PLATFORMED BIRDFEEDER IN THE
BACK BETWEEN THE FORKS OF
THE TREE THAT WE'VE BUILT,
AND I NOTICED THAT ON A
COUPLE OF THE FEMALE ONES,
THERE'S LIKE VERY PALE PINK
PATCHES ON THE BACK OF THE
TETHERS AND I WAS WONDERING,
IS IT KIND OF A MANGE OR IS
IT THE WEATHER OR IS IT JUST
GROWING UP OR WHAT?
IT'S LIKE TWO PINK STRIPES,
SEEMS TO BE ON THE WINGS.

Dan says HMM.

Karen says WHAT DO YOU THINK,
DAN?

Dan says I JUST THINK
THAT'S JUST PART OF THEIR
GENERAL PLUMAGE.
A FEMALE TENDS TO BE A VERY
YELLOW-ISH ORANGE-ISH KIND
OF A COLOUR BUT THEY WILL
SHOW SOME OF THAT RED THAT'S
TYPICAL OF THE MEALS.
SO I JUST THINK WHAT YOU'RE
SEEING IS JUST THE TYPICAL
PLUMAGE OF A FEMALE
CARDINAL.
AND SOME WILL SHOW MORE OF
THAT THAN OTHERS, KIND OF IN
AN INDIVIDUAL WAY.

Karen says BEAUTIFUL.

Dan says OH, YEAH,
GORGEOUS BIRDS.

Karen says I SEE THEM MOSTLY
IN THE SUMMER AROUND US IN
OUR GREENBELT.
THE RED CARDINALS.

Dan says WELL IF
PEOPLE ARE FEEDING AROUND,
THAT'S WHERE THEY LIKE TO
HANG OUT.

A screenshot of an Internet article from the Peterson Multimedia Guide entitled “Northern Cardinal” appears on screen. The cardinal is a red birth with either a red or orange belly.

Karen says WE'RE LOOKING AT A
PICTURE OF A NORTHERN
CARDINAL HERE.
OH, WE GET SOUND WITH THIS,
TOO, WHICH I LOVE, THIS
PETERSON FIELD GUIDE.
SO THE PLUMAGE WOULD BE ON
THE BACK?
THAT'S WHERE JILL IS TALKING
ABOUT?

Dan says I -- YES.
YEAH.
AND AGAIN, INDIVIDUAL BIRDS
WILL SHOW VARIATION AMONGST
THE POPULATION SO, SHE MAY
BE SEEING ONE THAT'S JUST
GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AT
PINKISH COLOUR THAN OTHER
FEMALES.

Karen says PATRICIA FROM
ARDOCK.
HI PATRICIA?

Patricia says HELLO?

Karen says HI.

Patricia says YES, I'D LAKE TO
KNOW, I LIVE TWO HOURS FROM
OTTAWA, TWO HOURS FROM
KINGSTON, I WOULD LIKE TO
KNOW.
MY KIDS SAY I'M CRAUZ ZY BUT
I SWEAR I SAW RED CARDINALS
IN THE AREA TWO YEARS AGO.
DO THEY COME THIS FAR?
I KNOW THEY'RE IN SOUTHERN
ONTARIO.

Karen says ARDOCK IS BETWEEN
OTTAWA AND KINGSTON, TWO
HOURS IN EACH DIRECTION.

Dan says OH, I
WOULDN'T DOUBT THAT THEY'RE
THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN REPORTED AS FAR
NORTH AS THUNDER BAY,
SUDBURY, TIMMINS I THINK
WOULD HAVE SOME RECORDS, YOU
KNOW?
SO THERE'S NO REASON WHY
THEY COULDN'T WINTER JUST
NORTH OF KINGSTON FOR SURE.

Karen says IS YOU'RE NOT
CRAZY.

Dan says NO, NOT AT
ALL.

Karen says YOUR EYES WERE NOT
FAILING YOU.
I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE
PICTURE OF THE CROW,
STANDARD BLACK CROW.
WE CAN LOOK AT IT ON OUR CD
ROM HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO
ASK YOU ABOUT IT.
CROWS ARE NOT MY FAVOURITE
BIRDS.
THEY'RE LOUD, BIG -- THERE'S
A BLUE JAY IN THE MIDDLE.
CAN'T FIND A COMMON CROW?

A screenshot of an Internet article from the Peterson Multimedia Guide appears on screen. It shows several different crows.

Dan says THEY WILL.
GO TO THE BLUE JAY FAMILY?

The page changes to an article titled “Crows, Jays, Etc.” It shows several different sized black birds.

Karen says THERE WE GO.
ALL RIGHT.
NOW THEY'RE BIG, THEY'RE
BLACK, AND THEY'RE LOUD.
IS THERE ANYTHING GOD ABOUT
THE CROW?

Dan says OH,
THEY'RE --

Karen says THAT'S A FISH CROW
THERE.

The pages changes to an article entitled “Fish Cow” which shows a picture of a all-black bird.

Dan says YEAH,
THEY'RE VERY, VERY --
THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR
CROW.
THEY'RE VERY, VERY
BENEFICIAL.
THEY'RE VERY INTELLIGENT
BIRD.
VERY BENEFICIAL IN THE SENSE
OF BEING CAV INJURIES AND
CLEANING UP -- LIKE IF WE --
IT'S KIND OF A MASH BID
THING BUT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE
CROWS WE'D SEE A LOT MORE
GEE -- GOOEY ROADKILL ON THE
SIDES OF THE ROAD.
THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT IN
CLEANING THINGS UP IN THAT
REGARD.
BUT LIKE YOU SAY A LOT OF
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THEM.

Karen says THERE'S THE SOUND.
THERE'S A LOT OF THEM IN THE
AREA.

Dan says WE HAVE
NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.
IF YOU WENT DOWN TO ESSEX
COUNTY RIGHT NOW?
THERE'S A COUPLE ROOSTS DOWN
THEREONE WAS RECENTLY
COUNTED AT BEING OVER
100,000, I THINK, IS THE
NUMBER THAT'S ROOSTING THERE
RIGHT NOW.
SO TORONTO'S GOT IT EASY.

Karen says THE SOUND WOULD BE
DEAFENING!
BUT I HEAR THAT THEY ALSO
HELP IN TERMS OF ALERTING
POSSIBLE DANGER.

Dan says TO OTHER
BIRDS, SURE, AND OTHER
WILDLIFE IN THE REGION,
YEAH.
THEY ARE ONE OF THE SMARTEST
BIRDS AROUND, AND OTHER
BIRDS DO RELAY ON THEM FOR
RECOGNIZING DANGER, BUT ON
THE OTHER FLIP SIDE, CROWS
ARE QUITE A -- ALMOST A BE,
ALMOST PREDATORY SO THEY CAN
BE OF A PROBLEM TO SMALLER
BIRD.

Karen says SO IF THEY'RE
MAKING A LOT OF NICE THEY
MAY BE SAYING LOOK, THERE'S
AN OWL IN THIS TREE BUT IF A
FEW LITTLE BIRDS COME TO
HAVE A LOOK THEY MAY BE
GETTING ATTACKED BY THE
CROW.

Dan says YEAH, YEAH.

Karen says JUST SO WE'RE
CLEAR.
LET'S GO TO HEATHER NEXT
WHO'S NOT OUR QUESTION TO
TALK BIRDING HERE ON “MORE
TO LIFE.”
HI HEALTHER?.

Heather says HI.
MANY YEARS AGO I SPOKE WITH
A FRIEND WHO WAS A HEALTH
INSPECTOR, ONE OF THE
PROBLEMS WITH A LEADING
GROCERY CHAIN WAS THE PLANT,
WAS -- THE PLANT WAS FULL OF
BIRD BECAUSE THEY WERE SPORT
ENOUGH TO FLY PAST THE
SENSOR LIGHT ON THE
AUTOMATIC DOOR, OPEN THE
DOORS AND GET IN OUT OF THE
COLD AND ROOST ROOST THERE.

Dan says OH, MY GOODNESS.

Heather says AND I DON'T KNOW
WHAT KIND OF A BIRD IT WOULD
HAVE BEEN TO BE SMART ENOUGH
TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

Karen says WELL YOU DO SEE
BIRDS IN SHOPPING MALLS
SOMETIMES IN THEIR ATRIUMS.

Dan says YES, SURE
IT.
DEPENDS ON WHERE THAT REPORT
CAME FROM.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT --
THERE'S MANY BIRDS THAT ARE
QUITE SMART, LIKE BLUE JAYS
ARE QUITE INTELLIGENT, AS WE
MENTIONED THE AMERICAN CROW
IS VERY SMART.
IF IT'S IN AN URBAN
SITUATION THOUGH, IT MIGHT
BE JUST THE TYPICAL HOUSE
SPARROW.
THE EUROPEAN HOUSE SPARROW
THAT -- THEY CAN'T TOLERATE
THE COLD AS WELL AS SOME OF
OUR NATIVE SPECIES SO IF
THEY HAD LEARNED TO OPEN THE
DOOR AND GET IN OUT OF THE
COLD IT MIGHT BE THAT
SPECIES.

Karen says OR GUESS THE
TIMING OF THE DOOR OPENING
AND FLY IN WITH SOMEONE
ELSE.

Dan says YEAH, I'VE
NEVER HEARD THAT ONE.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING ONE.

Karen says WHAT'S THE
SMARTEST BIRD?
WE'VE NAMED A FEW SMARLT
ONES BUT IS THERE THE
ALL-TIME MENSA MEMBER?

Dan says I CAN'T
REALLY ANSWER THAT WITH ANY
AUTHORITY, BUT CERTAINLY THE
CROW FAMILY, THE RAVEN, FOR
EXAMPLE, HAS TO BE ONE OF --
BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE
SMARTEST BIRD, AND I WOULD
SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS THE
PARENT GROUP IS VERY
INTELLIGENT AS WELL.
WE'D BE SURPRISED AT THE
INTELLIGENCE OF SOME
FAMILIES OF BIRDS, BUT LIKE
THE RAVEN WOULD BE RIGHT UP
THERE.

Karen says OKAY, I'VE GOT AN
E-MAIL FOR YOU OUT HERE.

She looks at the computer screen and says MY HUSBAND WAS OUT HUNTING
IN THE FALL AND SAW A SNOWY
OWL ON A BRANCH.
IT WAS ABOUT TWO FEET HIGH.
IT WAS NOT AFRAID HE SAID.
MY HUSBAND PASSED UNDER THE
TREE, THE OWL LOOKED AT HIM
THEN APPEARED TO BE LOOKING
AT A CERTAIN SPOT IN THE
SNOW.
WE LIVE IN PEARL, ONTARIO,
NEAR THUNDER BAICHLT MY
HUSBAND SAID HE HUNTED IN
THE SAME AREA FOR A FEW DAYS
AND SAW THE OWL EVERY TIME
HE WAS IN THE AREA.
IT'S FROM SHIRLEY.

Dan says THAT'S
INTERESTING.

Karen says WE HAVE A PICTURE
OF A SNOWY OWL.

A screenshot of an Internet article from the Peterson Multimedia Guide entitled “Snowy Owl” appears on screen. It shows a white owl with yellow eyes.

Dan says I DON'T MANY
TO SUGGEST THAT THE VIEWER
MISIDENTIFIED IT, BUT IF WE
COULD POP-UP PERHAPS A
PICTURE OF A GREAT GREY OWL
AS WELL, THE OWL GROUP, THAT
ONE, THE BEHAVIOUR THAT SHE
SUGGESTS IS MORE TYPICAL OF
THAT.

Karen says OF THE GREAT GRAY
OWL?

The page changes to an article entitled “Great Gray Owl.” It shows a brown and gray owl with yellow eyes.

Dan says YEAH, THEY
BE BE VERY TAME.

Karen says AND THE SNOWY OWL
WOULD BE AT WINTERTIME.
THE SOUND IS VERY NICE SO
THIS IS CONSIDERED ONE OF
THE TAMER VERSIONS.

Dan says IT CAN BE
TAME BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN
THE POURIAL FOREST AND
RATHERLY ENCOUNTER HUMAN
BEINGS SO WE'RE NOT
SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE THAT
AFRAID OF BUT AGAIN A SNOWY
OWL COULD EXHIBIT WHAT
BEHAVIOUR AS WELL, IF IT
HASN'T EXPERIENCED PEOPLE,
ESPECIALLY SAY YOUNG OF THE
YEAR THAT WAS BORN UP IN THE
TUNDRA THIS YEAR, COMING
DOWN, IT COULD BE THAT TAME.
BUT OFTEN TIMES IT'S THAT
TYPE OF AN OWL, AND JUST
STAYING ON OWLS FOR A SECOND,
WE'RE SEEING A BIT OF A
MOVEMENT OF THE NORTHERN
OWLS DOWN THIS YEAR.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HUGE,
HUGE YEAR, AND BIRD WATCHERS
LOVE IT WHEN THESE NORTHERN
SPECIES COME DOWN LIKE THE
GREAT GREY AND THE BOREAL
OWL, HAWK OWL, SNOWY OWLS
BUT WE'RE SEEING SOME COMING
DOWN.

Karen says ARE THEY NEN AS ON
OR ABOUTS OR IS IT MAYBE
BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T
ENCOUNTERED HUMANS BEFORE?
THEY'RE FASCINATED, NOT FLY
AWAY, JUST LOOK.

Dan says THEY'RE IN
THE AFRAID OF US AND THE
UNFORTUNATE THING WITH THOSE
SPECIES, IF THEY'RE COMING
DOWN IN THE WINTERTIMEWE SEE
A MASS MOVEMENT OF GREAT
GREYS AND HAWK OWLS AND
BOREAL OWLS, THEY'RE NOT
DOING WELL UP WHERE THEY
SHOULD BE LIVING BECAUSE THE
PREY BASE HAS COLLAPSED FOR
THAT PARTICULAR YEAR, OFTEN
TIMES THEY'RE DOWN HERE IN
PRETTY BAD SHAPE.
SO LIKE IN STARVATION
CONDITIONS, SO THEY'RE NOT
THAT WILLING TO TAKE UP AND
FLY AWAY, EITHER, BECAUSE
THEY'RE NOT JUST -- THEY'RE
NOT FIT ENOUGH.

Karen says NOT STRONG ENOUGH.

Dan says YEAH.

Karen says LET'S GO TO ED IN
THUNDER BAY NEXT.
HI ED.

Ed says HI.

Karen says HI.

Ed says I WANTED TO ASK
YOU ABOUT A BIRD THAT I
SPOTTED ON THE HIGHWAY,
ABOUT 90 MILES WEST OF HERE.
I SAW IT SITTING BY THE SIDE
OF THE ROAD EATING SOMETHING
AND I LOOKED IT UP IN THE
BIRD BOOK, AND IT LOOKS LIKE
A TURKEY VULTURE.

Dan says OH, YES.

Ed says IS IT POSSIBLE WE
HAVE TURKEY VULTURES IN
NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO?

Dan says OH,
ABSOLUTELY.
WHAT TIME OF THE YEAR DID
YOU SEE IT?

Ed says SUMMER TIME?

Dan says OH, SURE.
OKAY, TURKEY VULTURES ARE
VERY, VERY COMMON, AND AGAIN
I APOLOGIZE, WHERE DID YOU
SEE IT?
90 MILES WEST OF TORONTO?

Ed says 90 MILES WEST OF
THUNDER BAY.
ALMOST IN ATIKOKAN --

Dan says OH, I'M
SURE --

Karen says I THINK WE HAVE A
PICTURE OF IT.

A screenshot of an Internet article from the Peterson Multimedia Guide entitled “Turkey Vulture” appears on screen. It shows a large bird with black feathers, a red head and yellow feet.

Dan says I WOULD BE
VERY COMFORTABLE IN SAYING
THAT THEY'RE THAT FAR NORTH
AS WELL.
THEY'RE THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN
ONTARIO.

Karen says THAT SOUNDS
LIKE -- OH, THAT SOUNDED
LIKE A TOILET FLUSHING,
BRUCE.

Bruce says I'LL TELL YOU, IT
IS ONE BUTT UGLY BIRD.

Karen says IT IS!
THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO PUT
IT.

Dan says DID YOU SEE
ANY RED IN THE HEAD?

Ed says YES!
THAT'S THE THING THAT
STARTLED ME.
I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE A
GIANT --

Dan says TURKEY!

Ed says WELL, NOT REALLY.
NOTHING WE HAVE FOR THANKS
GIVING ANYWAY, BUT --

Dan says YEAH.

Ed says SO HE WASN'T LOST
OR NOTHING?

Dan says NO.
I'M NOT -- I SHOULD BE MORE
FAMILIAR WITH THE RECORDS OF
TURKEY VULTURE THAT FAR
NORTH, BUT THERE'S NO
REASON -- THAT BIRD HAS
EXPANDED ITS RANGE
DRAMATICLY OVER THE PAST 20
YEARS OR SO INTO ONTARIO,
NORTHERN ONTARIO.
SO THERE'S NO REASON WHY YOU
COULDN'T HAVE ONE IN THUNDER
BAY OR WEST OF THERE.
NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

Karen says THEY'RE KNOWN FOR
BEING AGGRESSIVE, EVEN BY
THE LOOK OF THEM THAT
WOULDN'T BE SURPRISING BUT
DON'T THEY CHASE -- AREN'T
THEY KNOWN FOR ONCE THEY GET
TOGETHER IN GROUPS THAT THEY
CAN REALLY BE QUITE
DANGEROUS?

Dan says NOT REALLY.
THEY'RE PRIMARILY A CARRION
EATER.
THEY RELY STRICTLY ON DEAD
ANIMAL MATTER PRETTY WELL.
SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY A
PREDATORY BIRD THIS THAT
REGARD.
NOT AS MUCH SAY AS THEIR
RELATIVE THE BLACK VULTURE,
WHICH I KNOW THERE ACTUALLY
TRAY TO KILL THINGS
OCCASIONALLY.
AND THE TURKEY VULTURE HAS
BEEN I'M SURE, HAS BEEN
REPORTED TO DO THAT.
BUT THEY'RE NOT AN
AGGRESSIVE BIRD THIS THAT
REGARD, ALTHOUGH HANDLING AN
INJURED ONE, THAT HAS TO BE
ONE OF THE MEANEST, FOULEST
BIRDS I'VE EVER HANDLED.
AND I DON'T ENCOURAGE
ANYBODY TO TRY TO HANDLE ONE
OF THOSE.

Karen says I'VE GOT ANOTHER
E-MAIL FOR YOU.

She looks at the computer screen and reads MY NAME IS KATHY, CALLING
FROM BUCKHORN ONTARIO.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
WOODPERKS PECKING HOLES IN
OUR LARGE CEDAR HOME.
WE FEED BIRDS AT THE
BIRDFEEDER ABOUT 60 FEET
AWAY.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO DISCOURAGE
THE FOOD PECKERS FROM
DESTROYING OUR HOME WITHOUT
ELIMINATING THEM.

Dan says I HATE TO
SAY IT BUT THE WOODPECKERS
ARE SAYING SOMETHING.
THEY DON'T PECK HOLES IN
WOOD FOR FUN.
THEY HAVE FOUND IN YOUR
SIDING, UNFORTUNATELY, AN
INSECT INFESTATION.

Karen says OH.

Dan says SO LIKE SOME
KIND OF WOOD BORING BEETLE
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS IN
YOUR SIDING SO THEY'RE
TELLING YOU THAT YOU HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH THAT, AND
THEY'RE JUST TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF IT AS A FOOD
SOURCE.
THE ONLY THING I CAN SUGGEST
IS TRYING TO LOCATE THOSE --
LIKE THOSE INFESTATIONS AND
PERHAPS REPLACE THOSE
BOARDS.

Karen says SO THEY'RE
ACTUALLY DOING YOU A BIT OF
A FAVOUR THEN, TELLING YOU
THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM.
OH, A BIG PROBLEM IF IT'S
THE WAY YOUR HOUSE IS MADE.

Dan says YEAH, THAT'S
UNFORTUNATE, TOO.
SO PERHAPS TREATING THE WOOD
WITH SOME KIND OF A GOOD
WOOD PRESERVATIVE MIGHT
HELP.
BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE TELLING
YOU THAT YOU DO HAVE A BIT
OF A PROBLEM THIS,
UNFORTUNATELY.

Karen says I'D LIKE TO HAVE A
LOOK AT A PICTURE OF A
MAGPIE BECAUSE THERE WAS A
GREAT STORY THAT CAME OUT OF
SYDNEY OLYMPICS ABOUT
MAGPIES AND HOW THEY WERE
HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THEM
DAVE BOMBING THE CANADIAN
ATHLETES FOR THE MOST PART,
THE CYCLISTS BECAUSE THEY
WERE WEARING BRIGHT RED.

Dan says OH, MY GOOD
GOODNESS.

Karen says DID YOU HEAR ABOUT
THAT?

Dan says NO, I DIDN'T
HEAR THAT ONE.

Karen says THEY WERE HAVING A
PROBLEM THAT TIME YEAR IN
SYDNEY WITH THEM AND
BASICALLY SAID THEY LIKED
THE BRIGHT COLOURS.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT
MAGPIES?

Dan says WE HAVE A
COUPLE SPECIES OF MAGPIE IN
NORTH AMERICA.
WE DON'T HAVE THEM INTO
SOUTHERN ONTARIO.

Karen says CAN WE GET IT
ON THE PETERSON FIELD GUIDE?

Dan says GO THERE AND
FLIP AROUND THOSE PAGES.
THERE IT IS, THE BOTTOM
BIRD.

A screenshot of an Internet article entitled “Black-billed Magpie” from the Peterson Multimedia Guide appears on screen. It shows a small black bird with a white belly and a white strip across its side.

Karen says WITH THE WHITE ON
IT?
THE WHITE AND BLACK THAT'S A
MAGPIE?

Dan says YEAH.
THEY CAN COME A LITTLE BIT
INTO EXTREME NORTHWESTERN
ONTARIO, MORE OF A PRAIRIE
AND WESTERN SPECIES.
BUT THEY ARE SHOWING UP MORE
AND MORE IN ONTARIO.
YOU NEVER KNOW IF THEY MIGHT
START BREEDING IN ONTARIO
ONTARIO AS WELL.
BUT THEY'RE A GORGEOUS BIRD
AND THEY'RE AGAIN PROBABLY
ONE OF THE SMARTER BIRDS.
THAT WHOLE FAMILY IS VERY
INTELLIGENT.

Karen says AND WHEN THEY WERE
SAYING DIVE BOMBING, THEY
WEREN'T ATTACKING AS SUCH,
THEY WERE JUST ATTRACTED TO
THE COLOUR AND SWOOPING OFF.

Dan says BECAUSE I
DON'T RUN INTO THOSE BIRDS
THAT OFTEN, THEY ARE
NOTORIOUS FOR CURIOSITY AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.

Karen says OH, ARE THEY?

Dan says YEAH, SO
THAT'S AN INTERESTING STORY.

Karen says YEAH, THEY'RE
RACING FOR GOLD AND THEY'VE
GOT A BIRD THAT'S ATTACKING
THEM, THEY MIGHT NOT -- WELL
NOT ATTACKING BUT INTERESTED
THIS THEM.
THEY WANTED IT TO GO AWAY
FAST.
JUDY CALLING FROM NORTH YORK
WITH A QUESTION.
HI JUDY.

Judy says HI.
I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT
CROWS.
I GREW UP IN INDIA AND I HAD
A PET CROW AS A BABY, I
BROUGHT IT UP, AND IT WAS
HIGHLY HIGHLY INTELLIGENT,
IT WAS REALLY SOCIALIZED
WITH THE OTHER CROW COLONY
IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD BUT I
LIVE IN A GREENBELT WE HAVE
SEVERAL CROWS AND THEY
ALWAYS LET ME KNOW WHERE THE
FOX, IS AND THEY'LL FOLLOW
THE FOX THROUGH THE ENTIRE
FOREST AND LET EVERYONE KNOW
THAT HE IS AROUND.

Dan says RIGHT, JUST
LIKE YOU WERE SAYING.

Karen says SO CROWS SHOULDN'T
GET A BAD WRAP IS WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING?

Judy says NO, THEY'RE HIGHLY HIGHLY
INTELLIGENT.
THEY CAN BE SOCIALIZED WITH
PEOPLE AND WE CAN CO-EXIST
WITH THEM.
WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF THEM IN
INDIA AND THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY
MARVELOUS.

Karen says AND YOU FIND
THEY'RE NOT TOO LOUD FOR
YOU?

Judy says NO, IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER
NOISE.
A CAR IS A NOISE.
I FIND A CAR WAY MORE
OFFENSIVE THAN A CROW.

Karen says DID YOU KNOW THERE
WERE SUCH FANS OF CROWS DAN?

Dan says THAT'S GREAT
TO HEAR.
BECAUSE THEY ARE A NEAT
BIRD.
THEY REALLY ARE, AND SUPER
INTELLIGENT AND JUST LIKE
YOU WERE SAYING A SENTINEL
OF THE FOREST.

Karen says THERE'S ANOTHER
PROBLEM WITH LOONS AGAIN
THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT IN
TERMS OF BOTULISM AND SOME
POISONING AND DEATHS THAT'S
HAPPENING IN OUR GREAT LAKES
AGAIN.
IT WAS A PROBLEM I BELIEVE
TWO YEARS AGO AND HAPPENING
AGAIN.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT
THAT?

Dan says WELL, I FIND
THIS UNUSUAL THAT LOONS ARE
BEING AFFECTED IN A SENSE.
WATER BIRDS IN GENERAL ARE
SUSCEPTIBLE TO BOTULISM, A
BACTERIA THAT NATURALLY
OCCURS IN SOILS.
AND GENERALLY THE SITUATION
WHERE BOTULISM AFFECTS BIRD
NUMBERS IS WARM SUMMERS WITH
VERY SHALLOW WATER AND THE
BOTULISM SORT OF -- THE
BACTERIA JUST GROWS QUITE
SUBSTANTIALLY IN THOSE
SITUATIONS AND GETS INTO THE
FOOD CHAIN AND THE BIRDS GET
IT THROUGH THE FOOD CHAIN.

Karen says WE'VE GOT A
PICTURE OF A LOON, TOO, THAT
WE CAN LOOK AT.
I MEAN, THEY ALWAYS DESCRIBE
AS WHAT'S ON THE BACK OF OUR
LANNY BUT THERE WE GO.

Dan says IT'S REALLY
UNFORTUNATELY.
THE FEKED LOONS --

A screenshot of an Internet article from the Peterson Multimedia Guide entitled “Common Loon” appears on screen. It shows a duck with black and white feathers.

Dan continues THERE'S THE CALL OF THE
WILDERNESS.
THE AFFECTED LOONS MUST HAVE
BEEN IN SHALLOW WATER
SITUATIONS, AND AS YOU KNOW,
THE LAST FEW YEARS, IT BEING
VERY DRY, VERY LOW WATER
LEVELS IN THE GREAT LAKES,
SO THOSE WARM, SHALLOW
SITUATIONS HAVE OCCURRED
MUCH MORE COMMONLY, I
SUPPOSE, IN THE LAST COUPLE
OF YEARS, AND AGAIN IT
GETTING INTO THE FOOD CHAIN,
THROUGH FISH, I CAN ONLY
ASSUME BECAUSE LOONS EAT
NOTHING OTHER THAN FISH.
SO THE FISH ARE BECOMING
INFECTED IN SOME FASHION.

Karen says AND YOU'VE HAD
REPORTS OF NUMEROUS BIRD
DEATHS AROUND BIRDFEEDERS
WHERE AN OWNER COMES OUTS
AND FINDS SIX OR SEVEN DEAD
BIRDS UNDER THE FEEDER WHY.
IS THAT?

Dan says AGAIN, WINTER FEEDING
CONCENTRATES OBVIOUSLY BIRDS
AT THE FEEDER SO, WE SEE
SITUATION WHERE IF THERE IS
A DISEASE PRESENT THAT
CONCENTRATION CAN SPREAD
THAT DISEASE VERY EASILY.
AND THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE
VERY COMMON AVIAN DISEASES
THAT MIGHT OCCUR LIKE
BACTERIAL INFECTION, VIRUS,
FUNGUSES AND EVEN PARASIT
PARTICULAR SITUATIONS.
AND IF ANYBODY HAS THAT
SITUATION, THEY OBSERVE SICK
OR DYING BIRDS AROUND THEIR
FEEDER, IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT IT TAKE THE FEEDER
DOWN, CLEAN IT WITH A VERY
STRONG DISINFECTANT, CLEAN
THE WHOLE THING AND EVEN TO
ENSURE -- THERE MIGHT BE A
PROBLEM WITH THE SEED THEY
HAVE.
SO I WOULD GET RID OF THAT.
AND DON'T PUT THE FEEDER UP
FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR SO, JUST
TO LET THE BIRDS DISPERSE,
BUT YEAH, IT'S A -- IT CAN
BE A SERIOUS PROBLEM.

Karen says THERE'S A STORY
TODAY ABOUT THE 10 DOLLAR BILL,
THE OSPREY WHICH IS ON THE
BACK.
THEY'RE TAKING IT OFF.
THE ROYAL CANADIAN MINT IS
DECIDING THEY'RE GOING WITH
A BRAND NEW LOOK.
I HAD TO SEARCH TO FIND AN
10 DOLLAR BILL BECAUSE YOU'D THINK
YOU'D KNOW IT RIGHT AWAY.
BUT JUST AS A REMAINER, ON
THE BACK THERE IS THE OSPREY,
PICKING UP A PIECE OF FISH,

She pulls out a 10 dollar bill and holds it up.

She continues AND THE ROYAL CANADIAN MINT
HAS DECIDED THEY'RE GOING TO
TALK THEM OFF BECAUSE
THEY'RE GOING WITH A NEW
LOOK.

Dan says OH, TOO BAD.

Karen says YEAH, SO SOMETHING
WE'RE USED TO SEEING ALL THE
TIME WE WON'T BE SEEING THE
OSPREYE ANYMORE.
CAN YOU TELL ME A BIT ABOUT
THE OSPREY AND WHY IT WOULD
BE SO IMPORTANT TO PUT ON
THE 10 DOLLARS?

Dan says WELL I LIKE
THE WHOLE SERIES OF BILLS
BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE BIRDS
ON THEM.
I LIKE THAT -- I HOPE THEY
PUT ANOTHER BIRD ON.

Karen laughs and says THEY'RE NOT
SAYING.
IT'S ALL HUSH HUSH.

Dan says OKAY, THE OS
SPREE IS A FISH EATING,
LARGE FORM OF BIRD, SMALLER
THAN THE EAGLES WE HAVE, A
BEAUTIFUL BIRD TO HAVE
AROUND WETLANDS AND NORTHERN
LAKES AND THEY'RE FAIRLY
COMMON.

Karen says WE HAVE A PICTURE
OF IT HERE.
IT LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT
THAN IT DOES ON THE 10 DOLLAR
BILL.
SO THEY'RE FAIRLY COMMON AND
OBVIOUSLY FISH EATERS.

A screenshot of an Internet article from the Peterson Multimedia Guide entitled “Osprey” appears on screen. It shows a large bird with a black back and a white belly.

Dan says AND A VERY
LARGE, GRACEFUL FLYING BIRD.
BEAUTIFUL CALL, AND TO WATCH
THEM PAIR BOND IN THE SPRING
AT THEIR NEXT SITE, THEY'LL
BUILD A GREAT BIG STICK NEST
ON A TREE OR A TELEPHONE
POLE OR SOMETHING, THEIR
FAVOURITE LAKE, AND TO WATCH
THEM PAIR BOND IN THE SPRING,
THE MALE AND FEMALE DOING
THEIR RITUAL, IT'S JUST --
IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

Karen says DAN, YOU HELPED ME
GET EXCITED ABOUT WINTER
AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU
KNOW, WHEN THE JAB BLAHS CAN
SET IN, THIS IS A GREAT TIME
TO BIRD WATCH AND WE
APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM
THANKS FOR COMING BY AGAIN.

Dan says MY PLEASURE.

Karen says OH, AND I'VE GOT THE WINNER, FIRST,
BECAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE AWAY
THE FAMILY PASSES.
JUDY FROM NORTH YORK,
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU AND
SHIRLEY IN PEARL, ONTARIO.
YOU'LL BE GOING TO THE
KORTRIGHT CENTRE.
DAN STUCKEY IS A
NATURALIST AND WORKS AT THE
KORTRIGHT CENTRE FOR
CONSERVATION.
YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE ABOUT
IT AT THE KORTRIGHT CENTRE
WEBSITE.

A slate pops up that reads “Kortight Centre for Conservation. 905-832-2289. www.kortright.org.

Karen continues THERE IS A WILDLIFE
REHABILITATION CENTRE NEAR
THEM CALLED WILD CARE THAT
LOOKS AFTER INJURED BIRDS
AND ANIMALS.

The slate changes to “Wild Care. 905-832-6957.”

She continues AND EARLIER IN THE SHOW WE
PROFILED THE WILD BIRD CARE
CENTER IN
OTTAWA AND THE OTTAWA REGION.

The slate changes to “Wild Bird Care Centre. 613-828-2849. www.wildbirdcarecentre.org.

Karen continues AND THAT'S ALL THE

TIME WE HAVE

FOR

MORE TO LIFE

TODAY.

BUT I HOPE YOU'LL

TUNE IN AGAIN ON TVO,

MONDAY THROUGH

FRIDAY AT 1:00.

A closing slate reads “The advice given in the preceding program is of a general nature only. Viewers should consult their own medical professional for medical advice specific to their circumstances.”

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