Transcript: Immigration | Jan 09, 2001

(music plays)

The opening sequence shows a wooden table with a small lit candle as several words fly by: Nutrition, medicine, prevention, treatment, health.

Fast clips show different sets of hands performing activities on the table such as pulling petals from a daisy, drawing a big red heart, tuning a violin, flipping through the pages of a book, cooking, and pouring a glass of red wine.

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: “More to life.”


Maureen Taylor sits in a red armchair in a studio with yellow walls. Behind her a placard reads “More to Life.”


Maureen is in her late thirties, with wavy red hair in a bob. She’s wearing a beige turtleneck.

She says HELLO, I'M

MAUREEN TAYLOR, AND THIS IS

“MORE TO LIFE”

IMMIGRANTS WITH ANTI-BIOTIC

RESISTANCE STRAINS OF

TUBERCULOSIS, CANADIANS

GETTING HASSLED AT THE U.S.

BORDER AND KARLA HOMOLKA

WANTING TO EMIGRATE TO

ANOTHER COUNTRY.

THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE

THINGS WE'RE GOING TO TALK

ABOUT THIS AFTERNOON WITH MY

GUEST JOEL GUBERMAN IS AN

IMMIGRATION LAWYER WITH

GUBBERMAN, GARSON IN

TORONTO.


Joel is in his forties and clean-shaven with short black hair. He's wearing a plaid black suit, a blue shirt and a dark blue tie.

Maureen continues IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT

IMMIGRATION RULES, FAMILY

SPONSORSHIP OR EMIGRATING TO

ANOTHER COUNTRY WITH A

CRIMINAL RECORD GIVE US A

CALL.


A caption appears on screen showing two phone numbers.

She continues IN TORONTO YOU MIGHT AS WELL

DIAL THE TEN DIGITS,

416-484-2727.

LONG DISTANCE 2 IS TOLL-FREE

AT 1-888-411-1234.


A caption appears on screen showing an e-mail address.

She continues OR E-MAIL YOUR QUESTION TO

“MORE TO LIFE” AT TVO.ORG.

WELCOME BACK.



Joel says HI, THANK YOU.



Maureen says LOTS IN THE

NEWS.

LET'S START WITH THE CASE OF

THE HAMILTON MAN WHO

IMMIGRATED FROM AFRICA I

BELIEVE WITH TUBERCULOSIS

THAT WASN'T CAUGHT AND ENDED

UP INFECTING SEVERAL PEOPLE

HERE.

CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF

WHAT IMMIGRANTS ARE USUALLY

SCREENED FOR AS FAR AS

DISEASES.



The caption changes to “Joel Guberman. Immigration lawyer.”

He says WELL, TUBERCULOSIS

CERTAINLY THEY ARE SCREENED

FOR.

BECAUSE WE HAVE THE

UNIVERSAL HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM

MEDICAL SCREENING IS

EXTREMELY IMPORTANT BEFORE

SOMEONE CAN EMIGRATE TO

CANADA.

IF ONE MEMBER OF A FAMILY

HAS A DISEASE OR COMMUNE

CABLE DISEASE OR EVEN OTHER

CONDITIONS THE WHOLE FAMILY

IS INADMISSIBLE.

SO IT WAS A VERY MAJOR

ABERRATION FOR SOMEONE NOT

TO BE CAUGHT WITH ACTIVE TD.

THEY CERTAINLY SCREEN FOR

TB.

THEY HAVE SCREENED FOR TB

FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND

YEARS.



Maureen says WHAT ELSE DO

THEY SCREEN FOR.



Joel says ESSENTIALLY ANY COMMUNE I

CABLE DISEASE.

THERE ARE THREE PARTS TO THE

CURRENT MEDICAL REVIEW WHICH

IS SEEING A DOCTOR WHO ASKS

ALL THE PERTINENT QUESTIONS

ABOUT CONTAGIOUS DISEASES, A

FULL CHEST X-RAY AND A BLOOD

TEST.

SO WHATEVER THEY ARE

SCREENING FOR IN THAT BLOOD

TEST SHOULD COME OUT.

AND CERTAINLY IF SOMEONE

KNOWS THEY HAVE A A DISEASE

THEY SHOULD BE TELLING THE

DOCTOR.



Maureen says AND THEY ARE

SCREENED IN THEIR COUNTRY OF

ORIGIN.



Joel says YES, THERE IS A

DESIGNATED MEDICAL

PRACTITIONER DESIGNATED BY

THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT TO

DO THAT YES.

USUALLY THEY ARE SCREENED IN

THAT COUNTRY.



Maureen says NOW IN THE

LATEST DEVELOPMENT HE'S

SUING THE CANADIAN

GOVERNMENT FOR NOT CATCHING

HIS TB.

AND HE WENT ON TO INFECT HIS

WIFE AMONG OTHER PEOPLE.

WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF HIM

BEING SUCCESSFUL IN THIS

LAWSUIT.



Joel says WELL, WHEN I HEARD ABOUT

THAT I COULD ONLY THINK HAVE

WE REALLY TURNED INTO THE

UNITED STATES AT THIS POINT.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED AND

I WILL BE PERFECTLY BLUNT I

THINK IT IS A NONSENSICAL

AND RIDICULOUS NOTION, IT

JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.



Maureen says BECAUSE IT IS A

LITIGIOUS --



Joel says IT IS HIS DISEASE.

HE CONTRACTED IT ALL, ALL

THAT CANADA IS DOING IS

SCREENING FOR IT.

WE ARE NOT CURING ANYONE.

WE ARE NOT UNDERTAKING TO DO

ANYTHING IT IS JUST

MIND-BOGGLINGLY OUTRAGE US.



Maureen says DO WE SCREEN FOR HIV AND

AIDS.



Joel says NOT OFFICIALLY.

WE DON'T OFFICIALLY.

OF COURSE THERE HAS BEEN A

PROPOSAL TO DO EXACTLY THAT.

FRANKLY, I'M SURPRISED WE

AREN'T SCREENING FOR IT.

IT IS A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY

TARGET ANY PARTICULAR GROUP

AND IT SHOULDN'T.

BUT THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS

THAT WE DON'T INVITE PEOPLE

INTO THE COUNTRY WHO WILL

POTENTIALLY INFECT OTHER

PEOPLE WITH ANYTHING.



Maureen says AND I TAKE IT

YOU ARE SAYING IT IS NOT

JUST INFECTING THE OTHER

PEOPLE, IT COULD COST THE

HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM A LOT OF

MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THESE

PEOPLE.



Joel says THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND THAT IS WHAT THE LAW

SAYS RIGHT NOW.

IF A CONDITION IS GOING TO

AFFECT THE BURDEN ON THE

SOCIAL OR MEDICAL SERVICES

IN THE COUNTRY THAN SOMEONE

IS POTENTIALLY INADMISSIBLE.

AND THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS AND

WAYS TO OVERRIDE CERTAIN

EXCEPTIONS AS WELL SO IN THE

CASE OF HUMANITARIAN,

COMPASSIONATE CONCERNS OR

FAMILY REUNIFICATION,

PERSONS WITH EVEN CONTAGIOUS

DISEASES CAN BE ADMITTED IN

THE COUNTRY.

I THINK THAT THE MEDICAL

SCREENING THAT WE DO NOW IS

GOOD.

AND I THINK THE WAY THE LAW

STANDS IN ADMIT ORGANIZE NOT

ADMITTING PEOPLE IS PRETTY

SOLID.



Maureen says THE OTHER THING

I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU

ABOUT IS KARLA HOMOLKA'S

LAWYER HAS SAID THAT WHEN

SHE IS RELEASED SHE WOULD

LIKE TO LIVE SOMEWHERE OTHER

THAN CANADA.

DOESN'T THINK SHE CAN OVER

MAKE -- EVER MAKE A LIFE FOR

HERSELF IN THIS COUNTRY.

WHO WOULD TAKE HER.



says THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

BECAUSE MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.

WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD TAKE

SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN

CONVICTED OF WHAT SHE HAS

BEEN CONVICTED OF.

BUT INDEED THERE ARE

COUNTRIES THAT MIGHT ACCEPT

HER.

AND EVEN SOME VERY CIVILIZED

COUNTRIES UNDER VERY, VERY

EXTREME SITUATIONS MIGHT

ACCEPT HER.

THERE ARE COUNTRIES, FOR

EXAMPLE, BRAZIL THAT

ESSENTIALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY

REALLY HARD AND FAST

IMMIGRATION LAWS AND IF SHE

SERVED HER SENTENCE AND CAN

SHOW SHE HAS SUFFICIENT

FUNDS TO SUPPORT HERSELF

THIS BRAZIL, THAT IS A

POSSIBILITY.

I DON'T PRETEND TO BE AN

EXPERT IN BRAZILIAN LAW BUT

AS I UNDERSTAND IT BRAZIL IS

ONE.

NICARAGUA FOR EXAMPLE IS

ANOTHER.



Maureen says IS IT

CONCEIVABLE THAT THE U.S.

WOULD TAKE HER.



says STRANGELY, ON A PRACTICAL

BASIS, NO.

I WOULD SAY THERE IS NOT A

CHANCE IN THE WORLD.

BUT ON A PURELY TECHNICAL

LEGAL BASIS, IF FOR EXAMPLE

SHE WERE MARRIED TO AN

AMERICAN CITIZEN AND I HAVE

READ THAT SHE HAS HAD OFFERS

OF MARRIAGE ALL OVER THE

PLACE, IF SHE WERE MARRIED

TO AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND

THEY COULD SHOW THAT BEING A

PART AND NOT IN THE UNITED

STATES WOULD CAUSE EXTREME

HARDSHIP TO THE AMERICAN,

IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT THEY

COULD ADMIT HER.

ALTHOUGH AS I SAY I THINK

EXTRAORDINARILY UNLIKELY.



Maureen says I ALSO READ THAT

THERE ARE RUMORS IN BRITAIN

AND I DON'T THINK IT IS

GOING TO HAPPEN THAT THE TWO

BOYS CONVICTED OF KILLING

LITTLE JAMES BULGER MAY BE

SENT TO CANADA OR AUSTRALIA.

WHAT ABOUT OUR LAWS.

WOULD WE EVER ACCEPT A

MURDERER.



says WE COULD, STRANGELY

ENOUGH, IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN

CONVICTED OF A CRIMINAL

OFFENCE OUTSIDE OF CANADA OR

EVEN IN CANADA BUT THEY ARE

NOT CANADIAN CITIZENS THEY

CAN APPLY FOR IMMIGRATION TO

CANADA.

SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN

CONVICTED WOULD HAVE TO BE

SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED BY

THE MINISTER TO COME IN AND

AT LEAST FIVE YEARS SINCE

THE END OF THE SENTENCE

WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ELAPSED.

BUT THERE IS A LOT OF

DISCRETION IN OUR SYSTEM.

SO THE MINISTER OF

IMMIGRATION CAN OVERRIDE A

LOT OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU

AND I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO

DO.



Maureen says HARD TO SEE THEM

DOING THAT JUST ON A

POLITICAL LEVEL THOUGH,

ISN'T IT.



says CERTAINLY.



Maureen says ALL RIGHT.

WELL, WE'LL TAKE YOUR

QUESTIONS WHICH I'M SURE

DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO

WITH BEING A SERIAL MURDER

AND WANTING TO MOVE TO

ANOTHER COUNTRY BUT I'M SURE

YOU HAVE A LOT OF

IMMIGRATION QUESTIONS FOR

JOEL GUBBERMAN WITH

GUBBERMAN GARSON IN TORONTO.

GIVE US A CALL AT

416-484-2727.

LONG DISTANCE IT IS

1-888-411-1234.
AND THE E-MAIL ADDRESS IS

MORETOLIFE@TVO.ORG.

JUDITH IS IN MISS AUGUSTA.


Judith says HI, HOW ARE YOU.



Maureen responds GOOD, THANKS.



Judith says MY HUSBAND AND I ARE IN

THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO

BRING A FRIEND OF OURS FROM

CUBA TO CANADA TO VISIT OUR

FAMILY FOR POSSIBLY TWO

MONTHS.

AND I HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO

WHAT THE PROCESS IS TO TRY

TO GET HER HERE AND I'M JUST

CONFUSED AS TO WHETHER I

SHOULD BE DEALING THROUGH

THE CANADIAN IMMIGRATION

OFFICE OR WHETHER I SHOULD

BE DOING THIS THROUGH THE

CUBAN CONSULLATE.



Joel says WELL, IT IS CERTAINLY A

CANADIAN IMMIGRATION MATTER,

NOT A CUBAN MATTER.

BUT REALLY YOU CAN'T BRING A

FRIEND TO CANADA.

THERE IS NO SPONSORSHIP.

THERE IS NOT REALLY ANYTHING

YOU ARE TO DO IT.

IT IS THE PERSON WHO WANTS

TO COME HERE WHO HAS TO MAKE

A FORMAL APPLICATION AT THE

CANADA EMBASSY IN CUBA.

WHAT YOU CAN DO IS WRITE A

LETTER OR AFFIDAVIT OF

SUPPORT SAYING YOU HAVE A

PLACE FOR THEM TO STAY AND

WHAT THE PURPOSE IS.

SO A CANADIAN CITIZEN WILL

LEND SUPPORT BUT THERE IS NO

FORMAL SPONSORSHIP PROCEDURE

FOR SOMEONE INVITING A GUEST

TO CANADA.



Maureen says HOW LONG CAN A

GUEST STAY IN CANADA?



Joel says WELL, THE GENERAL RULE IS

6 MONTHS.

REMEMBER, THIS COUNTRIES

THAT DON'T NEED VISAS TO

COME TO CANADA, THERE ARE

COUNTRIES THAT DO NEED VISAS

TO COME TO CANADA.

BUT ABSENTING THE VISA, IF

ONE IS STAMPED INTO THE

COUNTRY AND THEY SAY HELLO,

YOU HAVE 6 MONTHS.



Maureen says AND CUBA, DO YOU

NEED A VISA TO COME FROM

CUBA.



Joel says YES, CERTAINLY.



Maureen says THANKS VERY MUCH

FOR YOUR QUESTION.

SADIA IS IN

St. CATHERINE.

HELLO?
HI, NO?

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL HAVE TO GET HER UP

THERE.

I WAS THINKING MORE ALONG

THE LINES OF CRIMINALS

TRYING TO COME EVEN VISIT A

COUNTRY, THE NEW PRESIDENT

OF THE UNITED STATES HAS A

CONVICTION FOR DRUNK DRIVING

ON HIS RECORD.

WOULD HE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS

COMING TO VISIT OUR PRIME

MINISTER AT SOME POINT?


Joel says WELL, I'M SURE HE

WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS

COMING TO VISIT THE PRIME

MINISTER BUT THE QUESTION IS

DEAD ON.

YES, CANADA HAS A PARTICULAR

BUG ABOUT DRIVING WHILE

IMPAIRED.

AND IN FACT MUCH LIKE THE

UNITED STATES RENDERS

INADMISSIBLE PEOPLE WHO HAVE

BEEN CONVICTED OF A SINGLE

OFFENCE OF MARIJUANA, CANADA

WON'T LET YOU IN IF YOU HAVE

A DRIVING IMPAIRED

CONVICTION ANY TIME IN YOUR

LIFE UNLESS YOU APPLY FOR

WHAT IS CALLED A MINISTER'S

PERMISSION OR SPECIAL

PERMISSION TO COME TO THE

COUNTRY BEFORE YOU COME.



Maureen says DO YOU THINK

THEY WILL MAKE GEORGE BUSH

GO THROUGH THOSE MOTIONS.



Joel says PROBABLY YES.



Maureen says IF THEY WANT TO

TREAT HIM LIKE ANY OTHER

CITIZEN.



Joel says THEY MIGHT.

I MEAN THEY MAY WELL DO SO.

NOW THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER

HEADS OF STATES WITH OTHER

VARIOUS CONVICTIONS AND

FOIBLES AND PROBLEMS BUT HE

MAY COME IN ON SOME SORT OF

DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY WHICH

DOESN'T REQUIRE THE WAIVER.

BUT A NORMAL CITIZEN,

ABSOLUTELY.

AND WE'RE VERY, VERY STRICT

ON THAT.



Maureen says SO MARIJUANA

POSSESSION AND DRUNK DRIVING,

WE ARE REALLY STRICT -- WE

ARE NOT SO STRICT ON THE

MARIJUANA, THE U.S.

WHERE THE U.S. WOULD ALLOW

YOU IN WITH A DRUNK DRIVING

CONVICTION WITHOUT ANY

HESITATION, SINGLE

CONVICTION FOR POSSESSION OF

MARIJUANA, FORGET ABOUT IT,

YOU HAVE TO GET SPECIAL

PERMISSION.



Maureen says I THINK WE HAVE

SADIA THERE NOW.



Sadia says HELLO.



Maureen says WHAT IS YOUR

QUESTION?


Sadia says I WANT TO ASK YOU, MY

BROTHER IS IN PAKISTAN.

HE'S 28 YEARS OLD.

AND I WANT TO SPONSOR MY

PARENTS AND HE IS NOT IN

SCHOOL.

I JUST WANT TO -- CAN HE

STILL COME WITH MY PARENTS

RAILROAD NOT.



Joel says SIMPLE ANSWER, NO.

IN ORDER TO ACCOMPANY YOUR

PARENTS YOUR BROTHER WOULD

HAVE TO BE A DEPENDENT.

AND A DEPENDENT IS SOMEONE

WHO IS EITHER UNDER 19 AND

UNMARRIED OR OVER 19 BUT IN

FULL-TIME ATTENDANCE AT

SCHOOL.

SO YOU SAID THE RIGHT THING,

YOU GAVE ME ALL THE FACTS I

NEEDED TO KNOW.

WITHOUT BEING IN FULL-TIME

ATTENDANCE IN SCHOOL HE IS

NOW AN INDEPENDENT PERSON

AND THEREFORE DOESN'T COME

WITH YOUR PARENTS.



Maureen says AS AN

INDEPENDENT DOES HE GET ANY

POINTS BECAUSE HE HAS GOT

FAMILY ALREADY HERE.



Joel says YES.

IF HE QUALIFIED AS AN

INDEPENDENT WHICH MEANS HIS

OCCUPATION IS ONE THAT

CANADA DEEMS TO BE IN SHORT

SUPPLY HE WOULD GET AN EXTRA

BOOST, AN EXTRA FIVE POINTS,

ACTUALLY IN THE SYSTEM

BECAUSE HIS SISTER IS HERE.

HE WOULDN'T GET ANY MORE IF

HIS PARENTS WERE HERE AS

WELL.



Maureen says OKAY.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE

BIT ABOUT THE INDEPENDENT

CATEGORY AND IT'S MY

UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE

LOOKING AT BEING MORE

FLEXIBLE ABOUT THE JOB

SKILLS THAT A POTENTIAL

IMMIGRANT WOULD HAVE TO

HAVE.



Joel says IMMIGRATION IS LOOKING AT

A LOT OF CHANGES AND HAS

BEEN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

BUT MAJOR CHANGES HAVEN'T

BEEN FORTHCOMING.

RIGHT NOW THERE ARE ABOUT

800 OCCUPATIONS WITHIN THE

POINT SYSTEM, IF YOU WILL.

SO IF ONE HAS AN OCCUPATION

THAT IS ON THAT LIST IT IS

WEIGHTED DEPENDING ON SKILLS

REQUIRED AND HOW MANY PEOPLE

OF THAT WE NEED IN THE

COUNTRY.

SO THAT WEIGHTING GIVES

SOMEONE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF

POINTS.

BASICALLY THAT IS IT.

EDUCATION BACKGROUND,

LANGUAGE ALL GET ADDED UP

AND IF YOU ACHIEVE A TOTAL

OF 70 POINTS AND ARE YOU NOT

A CRIMINAL AND NOT MEDICALLY

INADMISSIBLE YOU CAN

EMIGRATE TO CANADA.

THE IDEA BEHIND IT, OF

COURSE WAS TO PICK THOSE

OCCUPATIONS THAT CANADA

REALLY, REALLY NEEDS.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE SYSTEM

IF THERE IS A PROBLEM IS

THAT THAT LIST ISN'T ALL

THAT FLEXIBLE AND DOESN'T

REALLY MOVE WITH THE TIMES

ALL THAT QUICKLY.



Maureen says EXACTLY.

YOU COULD NEED AUTO MAKERS,

KNOW, ONE YEAR AND BY THE

TIME YOU GET THEM ALL INTO

THE COUNTRY YOU COULD FILL

THOSE JOBS WITH CANADIANS

AND YOU NEED SOME OTHER SORT

OF --



Joel says THAT IS ONE OF THE

REASONS THEY ARE LOOKING TO

CHANGE IT TO BE MORE

FLEXIBLE, THE PROBLEM WITH

FLEXIBILITY IS WHO DECIDES

WHAT.



Maureen says RIGHT.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING YOU

CAN NOW GO TO THE WEB SITE

FOR THE IMMIGRATION

DEPARTMENT AND THERE IS A

CALCULATOR ON THERE THAT

HELPS YOU FIGURE OUT HOW

MANY POINTS YOU NOW HAVE.



Joel says I UNDERSTAND THAT IS THE

CASE.

I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY SEEN IT

BUT THEY ARE ALWAYS A LITTLE

BIT, A FEW PIT FALLS IN

THAT.

ONE OF THE CATEGORIES, FOR

EXAMPLE, IS ARRANGED

EMPLOYMENT AND YOU GET AN

EXTRA 10 POINTS FOR ARRANGED

EMPLOYMENT.

WELL, 90 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE I

HAVE SPOKEN TO WHO DO THIS

CALCULATION OF THEIR OWN SAY

I HAVE A JOB OFFER.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY

ARE TALKING ABOUT.

ARRANGED EMPLOYMENT MEANS A

JOB VALIDATED BY HUMAN

RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT CANADA

AND THAT IS A DIFFERENT

PROCESS.

THAT MEANS AN EMPLOYER HAS

GONE THROUGH ADVERTISING

HOOPS AND WHISTLES, IT IS

MOTT JUST A JOB OFFER.

SO THERE ARE MISTAKES TO BE

MADE IN A OVERSIMPLIFIED

SYSTEM.



Maureen says OKAY, NICOLE IS

IN St. CATHARINES TOO.

HI, NICOLE.



Nicole says HI.

MY HUSBAND IMMIGRATED FROM

ROMANIA AND WE ARE STILL

WAITING HIS REFUGEE STATUS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SPONSOR HIM.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF I

COULD GO AHEAD AND SPONSOR

HIM AS HIS WIFE FOR LANDED

STATUS AND SKIP THE REFUGEE

STATUS.

IT HAS BEEN ABOUT THREE

YEARS SINCE HE APPLIED AND

WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING

BACK.



Joel says WELL, INDEED YOU CAN.

NOW IT WOULD DEPEND TO A

CERTAIN EXTENT OF WHAT STAGE

THE REFUGEE PROCESS IS AT.

BECAUSE IT MAY BE NEAR

COMPLETION.

BUT ABSOLUTELY, IF HE'S HERE

AND YOU ARE MARRIED YOU CAN

SPONSOR HIM FROM INSIDE

CANADA, AGAIN THE PROCESS

MAY TAKE A LONG TIME.

IT'S A LOT SHORTER IF YOU

SPONSOR HIM WHEN HE IS

OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY OR EVEN

THE APPLICATION GOES OUTSIDE

THE COUNTRY.

BUT YOU CERTAINLY CAN DO IT,

ABSOLUTELY.



Maureen says DO WE -- IS

ROMANIA ONE OF THE COUNTRIES

WE ACCEPT REFUGEES FROM.



Joel says WELL, CANADA DOESN'T HAVE

TARGET COUNTRIES PER SE.

EVERY CASE IS DETERMINED ON

A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

SO WE DON'T GENERALLY SAY WE

ARE ACCEPTING REFUGEES FROM

COUNTRY A, B OR C ALTHOUGH

OCCASIONALLY UNDER

CIRCUMSTANCES WE DO.

BUT ROMANIA BY ITSELF

WOULDN'T NECESSARILY PRODUCE

EVERY PERSON AS BEING A

REFUGEE.

SOME PERSONS MIGHT BE IF

THEY ARE ACTUALLY IN FEAR OF

PERSECUTION BY THE

GOVERNMENT OR PEOPLE IN

POWER OR FACTIONS, AN

INDIVIDUAL MAY BE BUT NOT

EVERYONE FROM ROMANIA.



Maureen says SO IT IS

CONCEIVABLE YOU COULD LIVE

IN THE U.S. OR BRITAIN AND

CLAIM REFUGEE STATUS IN

CANADA DEPENDING ON YOUR

CIRCUMSTANCES.



Joel says IT CONCEIVABLE AND INDEED

IT HAS OCCURRED.

THOSE CASES HAVE GONE

FORWARD.

PERSONS FROM THE UNITED

STATES HAVE CERTAINLY

CLAIMED REFUGEE STATUS IN

CANADA.

I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYONE THAT

HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

ONE OF THE FAMOUS ONES WAS

THE BAMBI BAMBANEK CASE OF

ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO,

CONVICTED MURDER, ESCAPED

CUSTODY AND LIVED IN CANADA

FOR YEARS AND WAS

APPREHENDED AND CLAIMED

REFUGEE STATUS AND IT WENT

FORWARD.



Maureen says IS THAT WHAT

DRAFT DODGERS USED TO GET IN

TO CANADA DID THEY CLAIM

REFUGEE STATUS BECAUSE THEY

DIDN'T WANT TO GO FIGHT IN

THE WAR.



Joel says YOU ARE DATING ME.

THAT WAS JUST A LONG TIME

AGO.

I WAS JUST A LITTLE KID.

NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

CANADA WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY

INVOLVED IN THAT WAR.

THAT IS A VERY GOOD

QUESTION.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THEY

STAYED IN CANADA AND THEY

CERTAINLY DID.

WE ARE TALKING EARLY '70s,

LATE '60s, THE LAWS WERE

QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT.



Maureen says WE PROBABLY

DIDN'T HAVE AS STRINGENT A

LAW ESPECIALLY FROM THE

STATES.

THANKS VERY MUCH, NICOLE.

AN E-MAIL FROM CLAIRE.

I AM MARRIED TO A CANADIAN

AND HAVE TWO CHILDREN WHO

ARE BOTH CANADIAN CITIZENS.

I HAVE A SON LIVING IN NEW

ZEALAND WHO I DO NOT

SUPPORT.

WHY DOES HE HAVE TO COMPLETE

A MEDICAL EXAM IF HE HAS NO

INTENTION OF MOVING TO

CANADA.

MY HUSBAND HAD TO SIGN A

DOCUMENT AGREEING TO

REIMBURSE ANY MONEY I SHOULD

EVER CLAIM FROM THE CANADIAN

GOVERNMENT FOR TEN YEARS

AFTER GETTING LANDED STATUS.

AND IF HE SHOULD FAIL, THE

MEDICAL I CAN'T STAY HERE.



Joel says OKAY, WELL, THAT IS

CONFUSING TWO ISSUES.

AND THERE ARE TWO ISSUES.

THERE.

ONE IS THE SPONSORSHIP BY

HER HUSBAND WHICH IS, INDEED,

A 10-YEAR SPONSORSHIP.

ESSENTIALLY ANYONE

SPONSORING ANYONE TO COME TO

CANADA WILL UNDERTAKE TO

SUPPORT THAT PERSON AND IF

THAT PERSON GOES ON WELFARE

OR OTHER GOVERNMENT

ASSISTANCE, THE GOVERNMENT

CAN COME AFTER THE SPONSOR

FOR THAT MONEY.



Maureen says OKAY.



Joel says THE OTHER ISSUE IS DO WE

INCLUDE A DEPENDENT CHILD IN

AN APPLICATION, AND CANADA

REQUIRES YOU TO BECAUSE WE

DON'T ALLOW FOR SEPARATION

OF FAMILIES.

NOW YOU CAN DO T OF COURSE

ON YOUR OWN.

BUT WE AS A COUNTRY REQUIRE

THAT THE FAMILY TO

ESSENTIALLY APPLY FOR

EMIGRATION.

IF HE IS UNDER 19, THAT

WOULD APPLY.

IF HE IS OVER 19 THAN HE

DOESN'T HAVE TO APPLY AT

ALL.

HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PART

OF THE APPLICATION AND

THEREFORE SHE CAN'T FAIL

BECAUSE OF HIM.



Maureen says SO IF THIS IS A

CASE WHERE THE SON IS LIVING

SAY WITH HIS FATHER IN NEW

ZEALAND SHE SAYS I DON'T

SUPPORT HIM, DO CANADIAN

GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CARE IF

SHE EVER INTENDS TO BRING

HIM HERE, THEY WANT TO

INCLUDE HIM IN THE

APPLICATION JUST IN CASE.



Joel says THAT'S RIGHT, BUT ONLY IF

HE IS UNDER 19.



Maureen says YEAH, OKAY.

INTERESTING.

RITA IS IN MISSISSAUGA.

HELLO, RITA.



Rita says GOOD AFTERNOON.

I HAVE TWO SISTERS, THEY ARE

ABROAD.

WE ARE FROM MIDDLE EAST.

WE FILED THE SPONSORSHIP TO

BRING THEM TO CANADA.

BOTH OF THEM WERE DENIED.

THEY WERE DENIED RECENTLY

TOO IN ASIA.

SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE

IS ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO,

ANY LETTER TO WRITE TO THE

MINISTER.

COULD THEY COME IN THE

MINISTER PERMIT.

THE WHOLE FAMILY IS HERE,

THEIR PARENTS, THEIR SISTERS,

BROTHERS.



Joel says NOW YOU SAID THAT YOU

APPLIED AS SOME KIND OF

GROUP SPONSORSHIP.



Rita says YEAH, GROUP FIVE

SPONSORSHIP.



Joel says SO ESSENTIALLY THAT IS

SPONSORING THEM AS REFUGEES.



Rita says RIGHT.



Joel says OKAY.

AND WELL, IT WAS DENIED

WHICH MEANS THAT WHOEVER DID

THE REVIEW OF THE CAME CASE

DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT

WARRANTED MERITORIUS

PROCESSING.

OF COURSE YOU CAN WRITE TO

THE MINISTER.

AND IF YOU THINK IT IS A

WORTHY CAUSE AND IT IS

WORTHWHILE, THAT IS EXACTLY

THE WAY TO GO.

A LOT OF THESE DECISIONS

ULTIMATELY, AT LEAST

TECHNICALLY ARE MADE BY THE

MINISTER.

MINISTERS PERMISSION IS

INDEED USUALLY HER OFFICIAL

DEAL WITH IT FOR HER.

BUT BY ALL MEANS, PUT IT IN

WRITING.

OR WRITE TO YOUR OWN MP OR

BOTH.

SOMETIMES THAT HAS MORE

EFFECT THAN HIRING LAWYERS

OR CONSULTANTS OR ANYTHING

OF THE SORT.



Maureen says RITA MIGHT HAVE

HAD SOME LUCK IF ELEANOR

CAPLAN HAD FOLLOWED THROUGH

ON THIS IDEA SHE HAD TO

ALLOW EVERYONE A ONE-TIME

ONLY SPONSORSHIP OF A

RELATIVE AND IT DIDN'T HAVE

TO BE A CHILD UNDER 19.

BUT I THINK OFFICIALS TOOK

HER ASIDE AND SAID IT WILL

NEVER WORK.



Joel says YEAH, THAT WAS SORT OF

FLOATING A TRIAL BALLOON.

IT WASN'T ANYTHING -- A LOT

OF PEOPLE LATCHED ON TO THAT

AND SAID OH, TERRIFIC, I CAN

SPONSOR SOMEONE.

IT WAS DEPENDENT ON THE NEW

LAW IT WAS DEPENDENT ON NEW

REGULATIONS.

WE DON'T HAVE EITHER.

IT DOESN'T EXIST.



Maureen says BUT WHY WOULDN'T

IT WORK FROM YOUR POINT OF

VIEW.



Joel says WELL, I THINK IT'S

OPENING AN ENTIRE CAN OF

WORMS THAT IS JUST REALLY

UNMANAGEABLE.

WHAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE

DIRECT SPONSORSHIP OF CLOSE

FAMILY MEMBERS.

OTHERWISE PEOPLE HAVE TO BE

ON THEIR OWN MERITS,

INDEPENDENT APPLICATIONS,

BUSINESS APPLICANTS AND OF

COURSE REFUGEES.

I MEAN WE DO HAVE TO CONTROL

IMMIGRATION TO SOME EXTENT.

I THINK OUR NUMBERS ARE WAY

TOO LOW AND I'M CERTAINLY

PRO IMMIGRATION.

BUT WHEN THERE IS A ONE-TIME

SPONSORSHIP OF ANYONE WE'RE

LOSING CONTROL.

I MEAN WE REALLY ARE.



Maureen says IF WE WERE TO

INCREASE IMMIGRATION WOULD

YOU LIKE TO SEE IT DONE

THROUGH INDEPENDENT CLASS OR

FAMILY CLASS.



Joel says WELL, FAMILY AS IT STANDS

NOW I THINK IS A VERY FAIR

APPROACH AND MOST WESTERN

COUNTRIES HAVE A VERY

SIMILAR APPROACH.

BROTHERS AND SISTERS CAN'T

SPONSOR ONE ANOTHER.

THAT MAY BE A LITTLE HARSH

BUT EVEN THE UNITED STATES

IS PHASING THAT OUT OVER

TIME.

CLEARLY IT WOULD BE IN THE

SKILLED WORKER CATEGORY.

I MEAN CANADA NEEDS PEOPLE

AND THEY NEED PEOPLE WHO CAN

DO VARIOUS THINGS TO HELP

BUILD A COUNTRY OVER TIME.

AND WE HAVE TO SELECT THEM.

AND THAT IS WHY IT IS CALLED

IN THE LAW SELECTION

CRITERIA.

I THINK THAT IS WHERE OUR

BASE HAS TO BE EXPANDED.

CANADA IS LESS FAVOURABLE TO

SKILLED WORKERS THAN IT USED

TO BE.



Maureen says INTERESTING.

THANKS.

I WISH YOU LUCK.

MARY IS 68 YEARS OLD, AN

AMERICAN, A RETIRED NURSE

WHO SAW THERE IT -- FATHER

WAS BORN IN CANADA.

I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO GET

DUAL CITIZENSHIP WITH

CANADA.

DO YOU THINK COY DO THIS.

ALSO WOULD I THEN PAY TAXES

TO BOTH COUNTRIES.



Joel says OKAY.

OFF-THE-CUFF I CAN'T TELL

YOU WHETHER YOU ARE A DUAL

CITIZEN OR NOT.

THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF

DIGGING.

HOW LONG YOUR FATHER LIVED

IN CANADA, WHETHER OR NOT

YOU CAN STILL APPLY FOR

REINSTATEMENT OF THE

CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP THAT

YOU NEVER GOT IT IS TRICKY

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH

THE LAW 68 YEARS AGO, NOT

THE LAW TODAY SO A LITTLE

RESEARCH IS INVOLVED BUT I

WILL TELL YOU IF YOU BECOME

A CANADIAN CITIZEN, UNLESS

YOU LIVE HERE AND RESIDE

HERE YOU DON'T PAY TAXES

HERE.

AND THE UNITED STATES IS THE

OPPOSITE.

THE UNITED STATES TAXES ITS

CITIZENS IN PERMANENT

RESIDENCE NO MATTER WHERE

THEY LIVE.

SO IF YOU ARE A U.S. CITIZEN

YOU HAVE TO FILE A TAX

RETURN EVEN IF YOU FILE IN

CANADA.

THE REVERSE IS NOT THE CASE.



Maureen says AND IF YOU DO

GET CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP

CANADA WILL RECOGNIZE YOU AS

A DUAL CITIZEN BUT THE U.S.

WON'T.

AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I

PUT MY KIDS THROUGH THIS

SINCE WE LAST TALKED.

AND THE WOMAN AT THE

CONSULLATE OR IMMIGRATION IN

BUFFALO SAID I SAID ARE MY

KIDS DUAL CITIZENS NOW.

AND SHE SAID THE UNITED

STATES DOES NOT RECOGNIZE

DUAL CITIZENSHIP BUT WE

RECOGNIZE THAT OTHER

COUNTRIES RECOGNIZE DUAL

CITIZENSHIP WAS HOW SHE PUT

IT.



Joel says DUAL CITIZENSHIP IS SORT

OF -- I MEAN THEY ARE

PLAYING WITH WORDS.

IF YOU HOLD MULTIPLE

CITIZENSHIPS THAN AS FAR AS

YOU ARE CONCERNED YOU ARE

EITHER DUAL OR MULTIPLE

CITIZEN.

THE UNITED STATES IF YOU ARE

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN YOU ARE

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, PERIOD.

THEY DON'T REALLY CARE IF

YOU ARE A CITIZEN OF ANY

OTHER COUNTRY.



Maureen says AND THEY THINK

YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF

THAT FIRST AND FOREMOST.



Joel says AND I SUPPOSE YOU SHOULD

BE.



Maureen says SO WHEN I'M

TAKING THE KIDS INTO THE

U.S. SHOULD THEY DECLARE

THEMSELVES AS U.S. CITIZENS.



Joel says INCLUDELY.

WHEN ENTERING IN THE U.S.

TRAVEL AS U.S. CITIZEN.



Maureen says THEY ARE NOT

GOING TO LIKE THIS.

MARIO IS IN TORONTO.



Mario says HI.

YEAH, I JUST HAD -- IF I WAS

TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY FOR

MORE THAN SIX MONTHS WILL I

GET MY LANDED IMMIGRANT

PAPERS TAKEN AWAY.



Joel says WELL, OKAY, SO I TAKE YOU

ARE A LANDED IMMIGRANT.

THAT IS AN INTERESTING

QUESTION.

AND OFTEN ASKED QUESTION OF

US AT OUR OFFICE.

THE LAW SAYS THAT IF YOU ARE

ABSENT FROM CANADA FOR 183

DAYS, SIX MONTHS IN ANY 12

MONTH PERIOD YOU ARE LIABLE

TO LOSE YOUR LANDING STATUS.

UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW THAT

YOUR INTENTION IS NOT TO

ABANDON YOUR STATUS IN

CANADA.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THE

UNLESS.

SO IF YOU ARE OUTSIDE OF THE

COUNTRY FOR MORE THAN SIX

MONTHS FOR A TRULY VALID

PURPOSE AND YOU STILL INTEND

TO RESIDE, NOW WHAT DOES

INTEND MEAN, USUALLY MEANS

THAT YOU HAVE TIES HERE, YOU

HAVE A HOME HERE, YOU ARE

COMING BACK TO SOMETHING,

YOU HAVEN'T ABANDONED YOUR

RESIDENT.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO

FIX THAT.

IF YOU HAVE TO BE ABSENT FOR

A YEAR THERE ARE THINGS

CALLED A RETURNING RESIDENT

PERMIT BUT THE QUESTION IS

WHAT ARE YOUR INTENTIONS.

THERE ARE CASES ACTUALLY

WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN

OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY FOR TWO,

THREE, FOUR YEARS AND STILL

CAN COME BACK TO CANADA EVEN

THOUGH THAT 183 DAY RULE

SAYS THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE

TO.



Maureen says MARIO, WHY GO

YOU NEED TO LEAVE FOR SIX

MONTHS.



Mario says WELL, IT DEPENDS.

I MEAN LIKE IF I HAD TO

DO -- THAT IS JUST IMAGINE

IF I HAD TO DO SOMETHING

LIKE FOR A GOOD REASON FOR

ME TO LEAVE,.



Maureen says THIS ISN'T YOUR

PLAN BUT.



Mario says RIGHT, RIGHT, IT IS NOT

MY PLAN OF LEAVING.



Joel says THIS IS A FAIRLY BIG

AREA.

I MEAN RIGHT NOW OUR LAW

SAYS THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE

THAT INTENTION YOU CAN LOSE

IT BUT IT IS A LITTLE MORE

COMPLICATED THAN THAT.

FIRST OF ALL YOU CAN GET A

RETURNING RESIDENT FOR

EXAMPLE IF YOU GO TO SCHOOL

A BROAD.

CANADA ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT

BUT TO PROTECT YOU YOU COULD

APPLY FOR RETURNING RESIDENT

PERMIT.

YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT SAYING

YOU CAN BE ABSENT.

SO THAT IS ONE WAY TO TAKE

CARE OF IT.



Maureen says WHAT IF YOU HAD

TO GO CARE FOR AN AGING

PARENT AND YOU ANTICIPATED

THAT IT MIGHT BE -- WELL,

YOU ARE REALLY NOT SURE HOW

LONG IT WILL BE.



Joel says ANY LEGITIMATE REASON IS

GOING TO PUT YOU IN GOOD

STEAD BUT THE REAL THING IS

WHO IS GOING TO TAKE IT AWAY

FROM YOU.

PEOPLE DON'T QUITE

UNDERSTAND THAT.

THERE IS NO CANADIAN

OFFICIAL THAT IS GOING TO

RUN AFTER YOU IN YOUR

COUNTRY THAT ARE YOU BACK TO

FOR A WHILE OR WHEREVER YOU

HAPPEN TO BE AND SEIZE IT

FROM YOU.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU

COME BACK TO CAN -- CANADA

THEY SAY YOU HAVE BEEN OUT

OF THE COUNTRY FOR A YEAR

AND YOU SAY YES, REMEMBER

YOU HAND A LITTLE CARD TO

THEM TELLING THEM HOW LONG

YOU HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE THE

COUNTRY.

THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM

STARTS.

BUT NO IMMIGRATION OFFICER

HAS THE RIGHT TO YANK IT OUT

OF YOUR PASSPORT AND

SUMMARILY THROW YOU OUT OF

THE COUNTRY.

ONCE YOU ARE A PERMANENT

RESIDENT YOU HAVE RIGHTS AND

THOSE RIGHTS INCLUDE A

HEARING BEFORE AN

ADJUDICATER WHEN YOU COME

BACK INTO THE COUNTRY.

AND EVEN IF YOU FAIL YOU

HAVE ANOTHER RIGHT TO GO TO

THE IMMIGRATION APPEAL

BOARD.

SO IT IS A LONG PROCESS TO

TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOU.



Maureen says OKAY, THANK YOU

VERY MUCH, MARIO.

LET'S GO TO HEBA IN

TORONTO, HELLO -- HI, HEBA?

HELLO.



Heba says YEAH.



Maureen says YOU ARE ON, GO

AHEAD.



Heba says OKAY.

I HAVE MY BROTHER AT HOLLAND

AND HE APPLIED FOR REFUGEE.

AND THEY DIDN'T ACCEPT HIM.

I AM ASKING IF I CAN SPONSOR

HIM TO CANADA.



Maureen says AND HE IS FROM

WHERE.



Heba says SUDAN.



Joel says OKAY.

THAT IS INTERESTING.

I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT

SOMEONE FROM SUDAN MIGHT

HAVE A SOLID CLAIM TO

REFUGEE STATUS.

THE ANSWER IS NO, YOU CAN'T.

BROTHERS AND SISTERS NO

LONGER CAN SPONSOR ONE

ANOTHER TO COME TO CANADA.

AND THAT HAS BEEN THE CASE

FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW, AT

LEAST TEN YEARS.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT

DATE BUT NO, THERE IS NO

DIRECT SPONSORSHIP OF

BROTHERS AND SISTERS SO

UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN'T

BRING HIM HERE THAT WAY.



Maureen says ARE THERE

APPEALS IN THE REFUGEE

PROCESS.



Joel says THERE IS AN APPEAL

PROCESS WHEN IT IS INLAND,

WHEN THE REFUGEE HAS COME

HERE.BUT WHEN IT IS OUTSIDE

THE COUNTRY NOT REALLY.

YOU CAN ALWAYS, ALWAYS GO TO

THE FEDERAL COURT OF CANADA

IF THERE IS AN EGREGIOUS,

UNREASONABLE DECISION.

AND IN THE FEDERAL COURT CAN

MAKE A DECISION.

BUT THAT IS A REAL --



Maureen says WHAT IF CIRCUMSTANCES

CHANGE, WHAT IF YOU GATHER

MORE EVIDENCE THAT ARE YOU

BEING PERSECUTED, CAN YOU

APPLY AGAIN.



Joel says SURE, YOU CAN REAPPLY,

ABSOLUTELY.



Maureen says UNFORTUNATELY

FOR HEBA'S BROTHER THAT

MEANS HE HAS TO, YOU KNOW,

HIS LIFE HAS TO GET WORSE OR

HE HAS TO BE IN MORE DANGER

AND THAT IS NOT A GOOD

THING.



Joel says LEGITIMATE REFUGEES, IT

IS A VERY HORRIBLE

SITUATION.

I MEAN THE WORLD IS

PRODUCING A LOT OF REFUGEES,

VERY LEGITIMATE ONES.



Maureen says HOW DOES CANADA

FAIR ON THE INTERNATIONAL

SCENE AS FAR AS ACCEPTING

LEGITIMATE REFUGEE.



Joel says WELL, IN TERMS OF OUR PER

CAPITA ACCEPTANCE I READ

RECENTLY THAT WE ARE NOT AS

GOOD AS WE THOUGHT WE WERE,

I THINK.

WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT IN THE

TOP THREE OR FOUR COUNTRIES

IN PER CAPITA ACCEPTANCE.

IN TERMS OF OUR PROCESS,

THOUGH, I THINK THE WORLD

HAS GENERALLY RECOGNIZED

THAT WE ARE AMONG THE

FAIREST COUNTRIES IN THE

WORLD IN PROCESSING REFUGEES

AND DEALING WITH REFUGEES.

THERE WITH PEOPLE IN THE

UNITED STATES WHO HAVE

CLAIMED REFUGEE STATUS IN

THE U.S. WHO ARE FLOCKING TO

CANADA TO AVAIL THEMSELVES

OF OUR SYSTEM OF PROCESSING

REFUGEES BECAUSE IT --



Maureen says IN THE U.S. IT IS MUCH

HARDER.



Joel says WHICH IS NOT THE WAY IT

SUPPOSED TO BE BECAUSE

REFUGEE CONVENTION IS BY THE

UNITED NATIONS.

THE LAW IS THE UNITED

NATIONS CONVENTION ON

REFUGEES SO EVERYBODY SHOULD

BE APPLYING THE SAME.

THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT

WORKS.



Maureen says THANKS, FOR YOUR

QUESTION.


She looks at her computer screen and reads JAMES IN TORONTO, I'M A

BRITISH CITIZEN MARRIED TO A

CANADIAN.

MY APPLICATION FOR RESIDENT --

RESIDENCE IS BEING PROCESSED

AND I'M WONDERING WHAT MY

SITUATION IS REGARDING WORK.

ALSO MY VISIT STAMP ON MY

PASSPORT HAS EXPIRED AND I

WAS TOLD I CAN STAY UNTIL

TOLD OTHERWISE.

IS THIS TRUE.



Joel says WELL, IT DEPENDS,

UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE WE

DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE

INFORMATION.

IF THE APPLICATION WAS FILED

OUTSIDE OF CANADA, IF IT WAS

FILED IN GREAT BRITAIN, FOR

EXAMPLE, THAN YOU HAVE TO

MAINTAIN YOUR STATUS IN

CANADA TO BE LEGAL.

IF, HOWEVER, THE APPLICATION

WAS FILED FROM WITHIN CANADA,

THAN YOU ARE ELIGIBLE WITHIN

THAT PROCESS TO APPLY FOR AN

EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION

INSIDE CANADA.

NOW JUST BECAUSE THE STAMP

HAS EXPIRED, WE'VE GOT TO BE

CAREFUL HERE, DOESN'T MEAN

ARE YOU OUT OF STATUS

BECAUSE THE STAMP CAN SAY

SEPTEMBER 1st 2000.

YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM

THAT DATE TO FOLLOW THE

STATUS.

AND THAN YOU CAN APPLY FOR

AN EXTENSION OF THAT STATUS

FROM BEEN THE COUNTRY IN ANY

EVENT.

SO THERE ARE SOME TECHNICAL

TECHNICALLITIES THERE THAT

YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF.



Maureen says WHAT IS YOUR

ADVICE TO HIM TO FIND OUT

WHETHER HE IS OUT OF STATUS

OR NOT.



Joel says OTHER THAN GIVE ME A

CALL.



Maureen says THAT WILL WORK

TOO.



Joel says SURE, I MEAN YOU CAN CALL

IMMIGRATION, UNFORTUNATELY

THE HOTLINE, YOU COULD GET

TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT

ANSWERS OR TWO OR THREE

DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.

BUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE

FACTS ARE CRITICAL IN THESE

SITUATIONS.

LOTS OF PEOPLE COME TO US

AND SAY OH, I EXPIRED AND

THEY HAVEN'T BECAUSE THERE

IS A DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE

LENGTH OF THE VISA AND THE

LENGTH OF STAY, YOU COULD

HAVE A VISA VALID FOR THREE

DAYS BUT IF YOU ENTER IN THE

MIDDLE OF THOSE THREE DAYS

YOU CAN GET SIX MONTHS

FORWARD.



Maureen says GOING BACK TO

THE QUESTION ABOUT,

WITHOUTING IN CANADA, WHO

BASICALLY IS ALLOWED TO WORK

IN CANADA.



Joel says WELL, LOTS OF PEOPLE.

BUT IN HIS PARTICULAR

SITUATION THOSE WHO HAVE

APPLIED FOR PERMANENT

RESIDENCE STATUS ON THE

SPONSORSHIP OF A CLOSE

RELATIVE FROM INSIDE CANADA

ARE ELIGIBLE ONCE THEIR

APPLICATION HAS BEEN

APPROVED IN PRINCIPLES TO

APPLY FOR A WORK PERMIT.

SO THEY DON'T KEEP YOU

LINGERING FOR TWO YEARS

WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO WORK.

ONCE YOU ARE APPROVED IN

PRINCIPLES AND THE WHOLE

PROCESS IS WINDING ITS WAY,

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR

A WORK PERMIT WHICH USUALLY

TAKES ABOUT 90 DAYS TO

OBTAIN.



Maureen says ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

IMMIGRATION AND CITIZENSHIP

LAW WITH JOEL GUBBERMAN WITH

GUBERMAN GARSON.

IN TORONTO YOU FILE 8 -- THE

LONG-DISTANCE TOLL-FREE

NUMBER IS-888-411-1234.

AND THE E-MAIL ADDRESS IS

MORE TO LIFE AT TVO.ORG.

THE BRITISH CITIZENSHIP

REMINDED ME, I WANTED TO ASK

YOU, I UNDERSTAND THAT

IRELAND IS BOOMING

ECONOMICALLY.

THEY HAVE A LOW UNEMPLOYMENT

RATE AND THEY WANT TO BRING

PEOPLE HOME.

AND I WONDER HOW EASY IS IT

FOR SOMEONE FROM CANADA TO

EMIGRATE TO IRELAND.



Joel says I WISH I COULD TELL YOU

THAT BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T

KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IRISH

IMMIGRATION EXCEPT WHAT ARE

YOU TELLING ME IS ABSOLUTELY

TRUE.

FROM ONE OF THE POOREST

ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRIES

IN THE WORLD THEY HAVE

IGNITED AN ECONOMY.

IF I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS

THERE MANY, MANY YEARS AGO

THEIR BIGGEST INDUSTRY WAS

THE IRISH SWEEPSTAKES.

OF COURSE THAT IS PROBABLY

ALL COMPUTERIZED NOW.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

CERTAINLY IF YOU ARE AN

IRISH CITIZEN WHO EMIGRATED

TO CANADA AND HAVE NOT LOST

IRISH CITIZENSHIP AND I

DON'T THINK YOU DO, YOU

COULD RETURN ON A DIME.



Maureen says BUT A FIFTH GENERATION --



Joel says AND THERE ARE SOME RULES

WITH RESPECT TO GENERATIONS

IN IRELAND AS WELL AS THERE

ARE IN THE U.K.

YOU CAN ACQUIRE CITIZENSHIP

IF YOUR PARENTS WERE BORN

THERE OR EVEN GRANDPARENTS.

BUT I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON

IRISH LAW.



Maureen says TO ED IN

MISSISSAUGA.



Ed says HI.

MY PARENTS AND I ARE BOTH

CANADIAN CITIZENS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SPONSOR MY

SISTER WHO LIVES IN

ZIMBABWE.

SHE HAS TWO PRETEENAGE

DAUGHTERS, SHE IS DIVORCED.

SHE WOULD LIKE TO EMIGRATE

TO CANADA.

YOU CAN GIVE ME SOME

IMMIGRATION AS TO HOW WE GO

ABOUT SPONSORING HER AND

WHAT THE PROCESS IS.



Joel says INDEED, YOU DON'T GO

ABOUT SPONSORING HER BECAUSE

SHE HAS BEEN MARRIED, SHE

HAS CHILDREN, SHE IS IN FACT

AN INDEPENDENT PERSON.

SO THERE IS NO DIRECT

SPONSORSHIP OF PEOPLE UNDER

THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, SHE IS

NO LONGER A CHILD.

BUT THE KEY WOULD BE DOES

SHE HAVE AN APPLICATION AS

AN INDEPENDENT OR AS A

BUSINESSPERSON.

SO DOES SHE HAVE AN

OCCUPATION, WHAT IS HER

EDUCATION.



Maureen says ED.



Ed says YES.



Maureen says IS SHE WORKING

NOW.



Ed says SHE CERTAINLY IS, SHE IS

ESTABLISHED OVER THERE.

SHE IS DIVORCED HOWEVER AND

BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY THERE

SHE IS THINKING OF LEAVING.



Maureen says WHAT DOES SHE DO

THOUGH.



Ed says I'M SORRY.



Maureen says WHAT IS HER

OCCUPATION?


Ed says SHE IS AN OFFICE MANAGER.



Joel says OKAY, THAT IS A DIFFICULT

SORT OF GENERALIZE THE

OCCUPATION.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HER

EDUCATION, HER WORK

EXPERIENCE, SEE IF WHAT SHE

DOES CAN FIT INTO ONE OF THE

CATEGORIES THAT CANADA DEEMS

TO BE IN SHORT SUPPLY OR

NEED.

AND THAN WE ARE INTO THE

POINT SYSTEM.

THE ONLY THING THAT YOU DO

IS ADD FIVE POINTS TO HER

APPLICATION.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO

ANYTHING TO DO IT.

IT IS JUST BY PROOF THAT YOU

ARE LIVING HERE.

BUT IT IS AN INDEPENDENT

APPLICATION BECAUSE SHE IS

TOO OLD AND TOO ESTABLISHED

AS AN INDEPENDENT TO BE

SPONSORED BY YOU.



Maureen says WELL, WE ARE

GOING TO GIVE OUT THAT WEB

SITE ADDRESS I WAS TALKING

ABOUT AT THE END OF THE

SHOW.

MAYBE YOU WANT TO PLAY

AROUND WITH THE CALCULATOR

AND SEE HOW MANY POINTS SHE

MIGHT COME UP.



Joel says THE POINT SYSTEM ISN'T SO

MUCH ADDING UP TO THE POINTS,

AS IN THIS CASE FIGURING OUT

WHAT OCCUPATION FITS.

SO WITH 800 OCCUPATIONS I

KNOW WHAT A PLUMBER IS, AN --

WHAT DO YOU DO WITH SOMEONE

WHO IS A MANAGEMENT

CONSULTANT OR A FINANCIAL

ANALYST.

I MEAN WHAT ARE THEIR JOB

DUTIES AND WHAT IF THE JOB

TITLE WHERE THEY LIVE AND

WORK IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE

JOB DESCRIPTION AND TRY AND

ESSENTIALLY TRY AND MOLD

WHAT THEY DO TO THE TITLE

THAT CANADA USES.



Maureen says JAMIE IN WINDSOR, HI,

JAMIE.



Jamie says HI.



Maureen says WHAT IS YOUR

QUESTION.



Jamie says I HAVE A BROTHER.

HE GOT IN TROUBLE A LITTLE

WHILE AGO HERE AND EP WAS

DEPORTED BACK TO THE STATES.

NOW HE WAS BORN IN THE

STATES AND ONLY LIVED THERE

A YEAR OF HIS LIFE AND MOVED

OVER HERE WITH MY MORE AND

FATHER.

MY MOTHER WAS AMERICAN AND A

LANDED IMMIGRANT.

BUT HE GOT DEPORTED BACK TO

THE STATES BECAUSE HE GOT IN

TROUBLE.

WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO

FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BRING

HIM BACK.

I WAS WONDER IF YOU COULD

HELP ME WITH THAT AT ALL.



Joel says WELL, IT IS POSSIBLE

AFTER DEPORTATION TO COME

BACK TO CANADA.

I SUPPOSE THE FIRST TASK WE

WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IS

FORGET ABOUT THE FACT THAT

HE WAS DEPORTED BUT ON WHAT

BASIS ARE WE GOING TO BRING

HIM BACK.

HOW OLD IS HE?


Maureen says JAMIE, HOW OLD

IS HE.



Jamie says HE IS 33 YEARS OLD.



Joel says SO AGAIN, NO LONGER A

CHILD.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE

BASIS UPON WHICH THE PERSON

CAN EMIGRATE TO CANADA.

FORGETTING ANY CRIMINALALITY

OR ANY PROBLEMS.

SO THAT IS THE FIRST STEP,

THE SECOND STEP IS

OVERCOMEABLE, ASSUMING THAT

SOMEONE IS ADMISSIBLE TO

CANADA AND FITS SOME

CRITERIA, ONE CAN APPLY TO

THE MINISTER TO OVERCOME

INADMISSIBILITY AND EVEN

DEPORTATION, USUALLY ONE

YEAR AT LEAST HAS TO ELAPSED

SINCE THEY WERE DEPORTED BUT

IT IS NOT TOTALLY OUT OF THE

QUESTION THAT SOMEONE CAN BE

READMITTED.

YOUR FIRST STEP IS THE

HARDER ONE.

FIGURING OUT HOW THEY WILL

GET HERE.



Maureen says I FIND IT HARD

TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEBODY WHO

ONLY SPENT A YEAR OF THE

STATES AND THE REST OF HIS

FORMATIVE YEARS WERE SPENT

IN CANADA WAS DEPORTED.

I MEAN IS THIS SHALL IT --

IS HE A PRODUCT OF THEIR

SYSTEM OR OURS.



Joel says WELL, I THINK THAT IS ONE

OF THE REAL FLAWS IN OUR

SYSTEM.

ESSENTIALLY IF YOU ARE A

LANDED IMMIGRANT OF CANADA

THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN THAT AND BEING A

CITIZEN IS ONE, YOU CAN'T

VOTE.

AND TWO, YOU CAN BE DEPORTED.

I MEAN IT IS A LONG TERM

VERY SOLID TEMPORARY STAY IN

A SENSE.

BECAUSE YOU CAN BE SHIPPED

HOME.

SO THIS IS NOT AN UNUSUAL

SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE HAS

LIVED HERE VIRTUALLY ALL

THEIR LIFE, HAS NEGLECTED TO

OR CHOSEN NOT TO BECOME A

CITIZEN AND THAN THE SUBJECT

OF DEPORTATION.

AND YES, THAT IS EXACTLY THE

CASE.

AND IT CAN HAPPEN.



Maureen says OKAY.

THANK YOU, JAMMIE.

SARA IS IN MISSISSAUGA AND

SAYS IMMIGRATION DIDN'T GIVE

IMMIGRATION STATUS TO MY

MOTHER BECAUSE OF HER 24

YEARS AGO ONE-TIME

SHOPLIFTING CONVICTION.

I HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL BUT

I DON'T WANT TO SPEND TOO

MUCH FOR A LAWYER.

CAN I STILL APPEAL.

WHAT ELSE CAN I DO.



Joel says YEAH, A SPONSORSHIP

SITUATION OF A PARENT,

THAT'S A FAMILY CLASS

SPONSORSHIP AND THERE IS AN

AUTOMATIC RIGHT OF APPEAL TO

THE IMMIGRATION APPEAL

BOARD.

NOW WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT.

IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE

IMMIGRATION APPEAL BOARD HAS

JURISDICTION TO EXAM TWO

THINGS.

A MISTAKE IN LAW, THAT IS

NOT WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT.

BUT ALSO TO ALLOW SOMEONE TO

EMIGRATE ON HUMANITARIAN AND

COMPASSIONATE GROUNDS.

SO WE CALL IT H AND C.

THAT H AND C JURISDICTION IN

THE COURT, IN THE APPEAL

BOARD IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL

BECAUSE A SINGLE CONVICTION

OF 24 YEARS AGO, I WOULD

GUESS, EVERYTHING ELSE BEING

EQUAL IS SOMETHING THE

APPEAL BOARD WOULD SAY THIS

IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO PREVENT

HER FROM COMING TO CANADA.

BUT A STRICT INTERPRETATION

OF THE LAW SAYS THAT IT IS.



Maureen says SO WE ARE TRYING

IT -- WORTH TRYING.



Joel says DEFINITELY WORTH TRYING.



Maureen says A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU

ARE ON WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

THE HASSLES CANADIANS ARE

GETTING AT THE U.S. BORDER

WHEN THEY TRY TO GO OVER TO

DO BUSINESS DOWN THERE.

ANYTHING CHANGED ON THAT

FRONT.



Joel says WELL, FROM OUR

PERSPECTIVE, FROM A BUSINESS

TRAVELER PERSPECTIVE I WOULD

SUGGEST THINGS ARE A LITTLE

BIT WORSE IT AS YOU KNOW

THERE IS THE FREE-TRADE

AGREEMENT WITH VARIOUS VISAS

AVAILABLE TO CANADIAN

CITIZENS TRAVELING TO THE

UNITED STATES TO WORK FOR UP

TO A YEAR.

AND OTHERS.

COMPUTER SCIENTISTS FOR

EXAMPLE WHO WERE -- COMPUTER

SYSTEMS ANALYSTS TO BE

SPECIFIC WHO WERE GETTING

REASONABLY EASY ACCESS OVER

THE LAST FIVE, SIX, SEVEN

YEARS ARE ENCOUNTERING MUCH

GREATER DIFFICULTY NOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOOD

CHANGE REPRESENTS OR WHY IT

IS THERE.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE

LAW.

BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE BEING

SCRUTINIZED TO THE Nth

DEGREE.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A DEGREE

IN COMPUTER SCIENCE YOU ARE

GOING TO HAVE A TOUGH TIME.

WHEREAS TWO YEARS AGO IF YOU

HAD A DEGREE IN SAY

ECONOMICS AND SOME COURSES

IN COMPUTERS, YOU MIGHT GET

IN AS A COMPUTER SYSTEMS

ANALYST.

AND SO THINGS ARE GETTING A

LITTLE TOUGH AND SCRUTINY IS

GETTING A LITTLE GREATER.



Maureen says TVO CREW HAVE

HAD SOME PROBLEMS JUST GOING

DOWN TO DO SHOOTS IN THE

STATES.

SOMETIMES WE ARE JUST

LEAVING THEM AT HOME AND

HIRING CAMERA CREWS DOWN

THERE.

WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND

PEOPLE HAVE WITH THEM WHEN

THEY HIT THE BORDER IN ORDER

TO PROVE TO THOSE BORDER

GUARDS THAT I DON'T INTEND

TO STAY HERE AND TAKE A JOB

FROM AN AMERICAN, THIS IS A

ONE-TIME THING.



Joel says IF IT IS ACTUAL WORK THAT

SOMEONE IS DOING IN THE

UNITED STATES AND BEING PAID

FROM A U.S. SOURCE THAN THEY

HAVE TO MEET THE VARIOUS

EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION

CRITERIA.

THEY NEED A COPY OF THEIR

DEGREE, AN OFFER LETTER AND

THEY HAVE TO SIFT THE

CRITERIA OF THE 60

PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE

ALLOWED INTO THE UNITED

STATES, ACCOUNTANTS, LAWYERS,

A HOST OF OTHERS, COMPUTER

SYSTEMS ANALYSTS, MANAGEMENT

CONSULTANTS, ARCHITECT.

I MEAN A GOODLY NUMBER OF

WHAT THEY CALL PROFESSIONALS.

TVO CREWS AND FILM CREWS ARE

STILL IN THE MIDST OF A BIT

OF A CRACKDOWN BY THE UNITED

STATES.

THEY DON'T MEAN TO BE TOUGH.

THEY HAVE TOLD US THEY JUST

DON'T REALLY HAVE

CLARIFICATION FROM THEIR

HEAD OFFICE AND FILM CREWS

ACROSS CANADA ARE BEING

STOPPED, NOT JUST TVO, A

SURE YOU.



Maureen says OH, GOOD, THEY

ARE NOT PICKING ON US.

FATIMA IN CARLISLE.



Fatima says I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOUR

QUESTION ABOUT MY SISTER.

I HAVE A SISTER THAT IS 66

YEARS OLD AND SHE IS BLIND

AND SHE IS IN PORTUGAL.

AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING

HER TO CANADA.

WE LOST OUR MUM AND I WOULD

LIKE TO KNOW HOW DIFFICULT

IS THIS GOING TO BE OR IF IT

IS GOING TO BE EASY.



Joel says IT IS GOING TO BE VERY

DIFFICULT.

FOR TWO REASONS.

ONE, THERE IS NO DIRECT LINK

SPONSORSHIP FOR A SISTER.

THERE IS ALWAYS THE

AVAILABILITY OF AN

APPLICATION ON HUMANITARIAN

AN COMPASSIONATE GROUNDS BUT

IT HAS TO BE REALLY, REALLY

A SERIOUS SITUATION.

AND OF COURSE HER BLINDNESS

MAY BE A MEDICAL

INADMISSIBILITY IF THERE IS

SOME THOUGHT THAT IT WILL

CAUSE SOME DRAIN ON THE

MEDICAL OR SOCIAL SERVICES

OF CANADA.

I'M NOT SUGGESTSING THAT IT

NECESSARILY WOULD BUT IT

COULD.

SO THERE ARE SORT OF TWO

STRIKES AGAINST YOU, NOT TO

DISCOURAGE YOU, BY ALL MEANS

IT IS WORTH TRYING.

ALTHOUGH THERE ARE FEES

INVOLVED IN FILING

APPLICATIONS, GOVERNMENT

FILING FEES AND THE LIKE.



Maureen says IT IS HARD TO

THINK OF A BLIND WOMAN AT

THAT AGE AS HAVING BEEN

DEPENDENT ON HER PARENTS BUT

ARE THERE CASES WHERE YOU

HAVE AN ADULT DHILD WHO IS

TRULY DEPENDENT ON THE

PARENTS AND THAN PERHAPS

WHEN THOSE PARENTS DIE A

BROTHER OR SISTER COULD

BRING THEM OVER.



Joel says YES.

I MEAN THERE ARE CASES.

AND THE LAW PROVIDES

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH FOR

DEPENDENT OVER 19 CHILDREN

WHO ARE NOT GOING TO SCHOOL

WHO ARE MEDICALLY DEPENDENT,

HAVE VARIOUS ISSUES THAT

THEIR PARENTS SUPPORT THEM

WITH.

BUT IT IS A VERY, VERY DICEY

AREA BECAUSE IF ON THE ONE

HAND THEY ARE MEDICALLY

DEPENDENT, ON THE OTHER HAND

THEY ARE PROBABLY MEDICALLY

INADMISSIBLE.

SO IT IS A VERY NARROW

LOOPHOLE.



Maureen says ALL RIGHT.

THANKS VERY MUCH, FATIMA.

TOYME IN NIAGARA FALLS.



Toyme says I CAN HARDLY HEAR YOU.



Maureen says OKAY, WE HEAR YOU FINE,

GO AHEAD WHAT IS YOUR

QUESTION.



Toyme says IN JUNE LAST YEAR I

APPLIED FOR A PASSPORT, I

PAID MY 60 DOLLARS AND THEY SAID I

COULD ONLY GET IT FOR ONE

YEAR BECAUSE I HAD TO PROVE

THAT I WAS A CANADIAN

CITIZEN.

I CAME WHEN I WAS SIX YEARS

OLD IN 1931, THE FAMILY, ALL

BECAME CANADIAN CITIZENS.

I HAVE TRAVELED THE WORLD ON

VISAS AND PASSPORTS UNTIL I

WAS REFUSED.

AND NOW I AM -- I FEEL LIKE

A SECONDHAND CITIZEN,

ALTHOUGH I TAUGHT SCHOOL FOR

35 YEARS, I WAS MARRIED TO A

CANADIAN CITIZEN FOR 44

YEARS, AND NOW THEY ARE

TELLING ME THAT I HAVE TO

APPLY FOR -- TO BE A

CANADIAN.



Joel says WELL, HAVE YOU DONE A

SEARCH OF THE CANADIAN

CITIZENSHIP RECORDS TO SEE

IF YOU WERE INCLUDED IN ANY

APPLICATION OF YOUR PARENTS.



Toyme says OH, YES, I HAVE A NUMBER

AND EVERYTHING, STATISTICS

THAT I WAS ON MY FATHER'S

PASSPORT.

BUT AND THAN WHEN I WENT TO

TEACHERS COLLEGE IN THOSE

DAYS YOU HAD TO PROVE ARE

YOU WERE A CANADIAN CITIZEN.

AND I HAVE THAT

DOCUMENTATION.

BUT WHAT I'M QUESTIONING IS

WHY AT THIS PRESENT TIME

WHEN I'M ALMOST 80 I HAVE TO

REAPPLY FOR CANADIAN

CITIZENSHIP.



Joel says THAT IS A VERY GOOD

QUESTION.

AND I WOULD HAVE TO KNOW

MORE OF THE SPECIFICS TO

TELL YOU THAT THE PASSPORT

OFFICE IS BEING

UNREASONABLE.

BUT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE

BEING UNREASONABLE.



Maureen says SO YOU SAID HOW

DO YOU DO THIS SEARCH.



Joel says WELL, YOU CAN -- THE

CITIZENSHIP OFFICE IS IN

SYDNEY, NOVA SCOTIA.

AND THERE ARE FORMS AND YOU

CAN GET THEM ON THE INTERNET

AND THEY ARE AVAILABLE.

AND MAYBE EVEN THE PASSPORT

OFFICES LOCALLY WHERE YOU

CAN APPLY TO HAVE THEM

SEARCH THE CITIZENSHIP

RECORDS AND TELL YOU WHETHER

OR NOT IN FACT THEY HAVE A

RECORD OF YOU BEING A

CANADIAN CITIZEN.

IF THEY DON'T IT DOESN'T

NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU

ARE NOT T JUST MEANS THEY

DON'T HAVE A RECORD.

BUT FROM THE DOCUMENTATION

YOU SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE, I

CAN'T IMAGINE WHY THEY WOULD

SAY THAT ARE YOU NOT A

CANADIAN CITIZEN.

I MEAN SOUNDS A LITTLE

OUTRAGE US.



Maureen says IF THEY GIVE YOU

A PASSPORT ONCE IN CANADA,

DOES THAT MEAN YOU COULD

HAVE A PROBLEM AFTER THAT

ONE EXPIRES AND GO TO APPLY

FOR ANOTHER ONE.



Joel says IT DOES HAPPEN.

IN FACT PASSPORTS CAN BE

ISSUED IN ERROR.

YOU WOULD THINK THAT A

PASSPORT IS EVIDENCE OF

CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP AND

GENERALLY SPEAKING IT IS.

BUT THEY CAN BE ISSUED IN

ERROR AND THE LAW CAN CHANGE.

IF YOU ACQUIRED CITIZENSHIP

SAY BY DERIVATION BECAUSE

YOUR FATHER WAS BORN IN

CANADA AND YOU ARRIVE --

APPLIED FOR IT BUT THEY

CHANGED THAT LAW AND YOU

DON'T HAVE A PASSPORT T IS

POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN AND

IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO

PEOPLE WHO SUDDENLY LEARN

THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER

CANADIAN CITIZENS.



Maureen says OKAY.

I BET IT IS.

ALL RIGHT, ELIZABETH IS -- I

DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS.


She looks at the computer screen and reads I'M CONSIDERING SPONSORING

MY MOTHER.

SHE IS 60 AND LIVES IN

CENTRAL AMERICA.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN IDEA

ABOUT HOW LONG THE PROCESS

WOULD TAKE IF SHE STAYS

THERE COMPARED TO BEING IN

CANADA AND STARTING THE

PROCESS IF SHE COMES HERE AS

A VISITOR.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE

FEES AND IF I NEED TO HAVE A

HIGH INCOME TO SPONSOR HER.



Joel says WELL, LET'S START WITH

THE HIGH INCOME.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN INCOME

THAT CAN SHOW THAT YOU CAN

SUPPORT YOUR MOTHER AS WELL

AS WHATEVER OTHER DEPENDENTS

YOU HAVE.

IN THE TORONTO AREA FOR TWO

PEOPLE THAT USUALLY IS ABOUT

25,000 DOLLARS.

THAT IS YOURSELF AND YOUR

MOTHER BUT IF YOU HAVE OTHER

DEPENDENTS IT WILL GO UP.

WE'RE ALWAYS ASKED WHAT

FACTORS, SPONSORING FROM

WITHIN OR WITHOUT.

THE WHOLE PROCESS IS GENERALLY

FASTER IF ARE YOU OUTSIDE

THE COUNTRY.

YOU GET LANDED IMMIGRANT

STATUS FASTER THAN THE WHOLE

PROCESS INSIDE CANADA.

HAVING SAID THAT, HOWEVER F

SOMEONE IS INSIDE CANADA AND

THE PROCESS IS GOING ON,

THEY ARE HERE AND YOU REALLY

DON'T CARE IN MOST

CIRCUMSTANCES HOW LONG IT

TAKES BECAUSE THEY ARE WITH

YOU.

SO LET'S SAY IT TAKES TWO

AND A HALF YEARS INSIDE

CANADA OR TWO YEARS, THEY

ARE HERE THAT WHOLE TIME.

IF IT TAKES A YEAR OUTSIDE

THE COUNTRY, IT IS SORT

OF -- WHICH IS BETTER.

DEPENDS ON YOUR

CIRCUMSTANCES.

DOW NEED HER HERE OR WANT

HER HERE IMMEDIATELY, I

SUPPOSE BRING HER HERE AS A

VISITOR.

HAVING THAT, TECHNICALLY IT

IS ILLEGAL TO COME HERE AS A

VILSITIER ENTENDING TO BE A

PERMANENT RESIDENT.

SO IF YOU WANT HER TO

PERMANENTLY SPONSOR HER LET

HER APPLY FROM ABROAD.



Maureen says TECHNICALLY ARE

YOU SUPPOSED TO STAY IN

CANADA SIX MONTHS AS A

VISIT.



Joel says YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY

SIX MONTHS.



Maureen says WHAT WOULD

HAPPEN IF SIX MONTHS WENT BY

AND SHE WAS STILL IN THE

PROCESS OF TRYING TO GET

HER --



Joel says WELL, YOU HAVE TO EXTEND

YOUR VISITOR STATUS AND LAY

THE CARDS ON THE TABLE, NOT

THAT YOU HAVE TO LAY THEM SO

MUCH THESE DAYS BECAUSE THEY

WILL KNOW.

AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN MADE

FOR PERMANENT, THE SYSTEM

WILL KNOW.



Maureen says OKAY.

RAYNA IN RICHMOND HILL.



Rayna says HELLO.

MY QUESTION IS I WANT TO

SPONSOR MY MOTHER BUT MY

BIRTH CERTIFICATE DOESN'T

STATE HER NAME OR MY NAME,

ONLY MY FATHER'S FIRST NAME.

WHAT OTHER DOCUMENTS CAN I

GIVE AS PROOF OF

RELATIONSHIP.



Joel says WELL, I AM GOING TO THROW

IT BACK AT YOU.

WHAT OTHER DOCUMENTS DO YOU

THINK YOU CAN GET.

AND I'M ASKING YOU THAT DO I

CAN THINK OF OTHER DOCUMENTS

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME UP

WITH.



Rayna says I HAVE MY PASSPORT WHEN I

WAS WAS A KID WHICH GIVES MY

FATHER'S NAME AND MY

MOTHER'S PASSPORT WHICH

SHOWS MY FATHER'S NAME AS

HER HUSBAND'S NAME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE COULD

WE GET.



Joel says THAT IS NOT BAD.

THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO

IS LOOK FOR THAT CHAIN.

SOME LINK SOMEWHERE.

I MEAN IF THERE IS ANY OTHER

DOCUMENTS BAP 'TIS MALL

RECORDS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU

HAVE SUCH A DOCUMENT.

YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK FOR IT

BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY WANT

TO BE SATISFIED THAT IT IS

YOUR MOTHER.

UNFORTUNATELY EVEN IF YOUR

MOTHER WAS MARRIED TO YOUR

FATHER DOESN'T PROVE THAT IT

IS YOUR MOTHER.

IT IS A LITTLE UNUSUAL THAT

THE MOTHER'S NAME WOULDN'T

APPEAR ON THE BIRTH

CERTIFICATE AND I SUPPOSE

THAT IS WHAT CANADA

IMMIGRATION IS PICKING UP ON

IS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS

IS YOUR MOTH ENGINEER WHAT

COUNTRY IS IT, YOUR BIRTH

CERTIFICATE FROM.



Rayna says FROM PAKISTAN.

THEY JUST WRITE FEMALE BORN

THROUGH -- THE DATE AND

PLACE OF BIRTH AND FATHER'S

NAME, JUST THE FIRST NAME.

AND SPELLING, ET CETERA, ARE

OFTEN QUITE DIFFERENT.



Joel says WELL, I MEAN, THIS

HAPPENS FAIRLY FREQUENTLY

WITH DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS NOT

DISCLOSING INFORMATION

SUFFICIENT.

I MEAN IF YOU HAVE FAMILY

PICTURES, WHILE YOU WERE

GROWING UP, IF YOU HAVE

RELATIVES WHO CAN SIGN

AFFIDAVITS.

IF YOU HAVE SCHOOL RECORDS.

YOU KNOW, THE MORE YOU CAN

PUT TOGETHER THE MORE YOU

LEGITIMIZE THE SITUATION.



Maureen says OKAY, GOOD LUCK.

THANKS.

CHARITY IS IN CAMEBRIDGE,

HELLO, CHARITY.



Charity says YES.



Maureen says WHAT IS YOUR

QUESTION.



Charity says OKAY, I AM AN AMERICAN.

MY SON WAS BORN IN CANADA.

THEY REFUSE TO GIVE HIM HIS

CANADIANSHIP BECAUSE OF THE

FACT THAT I'M AMERICAN.

AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY.



Joel says THEY -- WHO REFUSED TO

GIVE HIM ONE.



Charity says THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT.



Joel says REFUSED TO GIVE HIM-


Maureen says CANADIAN

CITIZENSHIP.



Charity says YES.



Joel says HE IS A CANADIAN CITIZEN

IF HE WAS BORN IN CANADA.



Charity says THEY WON'T GIVE HIM

ANYTHING AND I WANT TO KNOW

WHY.



Joel says WELL, WHAT ARE YOU

LOOKING TO GET.



Charity says WELL, LIKE HIS HEALTH AND

THINKS SIN NUMBER AND STUFF

LIKE THAT.



Maureen says HOW OLD IS THE

CHILD.



Charity says HE'S THREE NOW.



Joel says ARE YOU LEGAL IN CANADA.



Charity says I'M STILL GOING THROUGH

MY PROCESS.



Joel says YEAH, WELL, IT'S NOT THAT

CANADA WON'T RECOGNIZE HIM

AS A CITIZEN, THEY DO.

AND HAVE TO.

AND WILL.

AND HE IS.

THE PROBLEM IS BECAUSE YOU

ARE NOT IN STATUS THERE IS

AGENCIES WON'T GRANT

BENEFITS TO THE CHILD

RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY.

I DON'T SAY I AGREE WITH IT.

O HIP FOR EXAMPLE ROUTINELY

TAKES THE OPTION THAT IF THE

PARENT IN A NEWBORN

SITUATION IS NOT LEGAL AND

DOESN'T HAVE OHIP THEY WON'T

GRANT IT TO THE CHILD

EITHER.

SO YOU ARE FALLING NOT

WITHIN CITIZENSHIP'S PROBLEM

BUT WITHIN VARIOUS

GOVERNMENT AGENCIES PROBLEM.



Maureen says REALLY.

SO ARE YOU SAYING IF PEOPLE

AREN'T ENTITLED TO OHIP AND

THEY ARE PAYING OUT OF THEIR

POCKET FOR THINGS.



Joel says YES, POTENTIALLY, SURE.



Maureen says YOU WOULD THINK

THAT THAT CHILD VISITS TO

THE DOCTOR SHOULD BE

COVERED.



Joel says YOU WOULD THINK SO.

I'M NOT GOING TO GET ANY

DISAGREEMENT FROM ME ON

THAT.



Maureen says THAT IS AMAZING.

SHE HAS A BIRTH CERTIFICATE

FOR HIM THOUGH.



Joel says ABSOLUTELY.



Maureen says AND THAT IS YOUR

PROOF OF CANADIAN

CITIZENSHIP.



Joel says AND IT IS.

AND TECHNICALLY THE CHILD

CAN APPLY FOR A CANADIAN

PASSPORT AS WELL, SURE.



Maureen says AND BECAUSE IN

CANADA, I MEAN, CAN YOU GET

A CANADIAN CITIZENSHIP

CERTIFICATE.



Joel says ABSOLUTELY.



Maureen says DO MOST CANADIAN

BORN PEOPLE GET THAT.



Joel says NO.

MOST CANADIAN BORN PEOPLE

DON'T.

I DON'T HAVE ONE.



Maureen says I DON'T THINK

PEOPLE REALIZE HOW MANY

BIRTH CERTIFICATES THERE ARE

IN THE HALLS OF THE

GOVERNMENT.

I HAD TO GET LONG FORM BIRTH

CERTIFICATES FOR MY CHILDREN

AND NOTHING ELSE WAS

ACCEPTABLE.

AND OF COURSE YOU DON'T GET

THAT WHEN YOUR CHILD IS

BORN.

YOU HAVE TO PAY --



Joel says YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY

APPLY FOR IT.



Maureen says YOU HAVE TO PAY

MONEY TO GET IT.

YOU MENTIONED CATEGORIES OF

PROFBSS WHO CAN WORK IN THE

U.S.

BEAU WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IN

FINANCIAL CONTROLLER IS ONE

OF THEM.



Joel says NOT PER SE.

ACCOUNTANTS ARE, WHICH MEANS

A WHOLE REALM OF ACCOUNTING

KINDS OF OCCUPATIONS CAN GET

EASY ACCESS TO THE UNITED

STATES.

THAT IS WHY THESE THINGS

HAVE TO BE CRAFTED SO

CAREFULLY.

A FINANCIAL CONTROLLER

DEPENDS ON THE OFFER OF

EMPLOYMENT.

PERHAPS YOU MIGHT FIT IN AS

A MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT IF

YOU ARE ADVISING A COMPANY

ON ITS FINANCIAL NEEDS AND

HOW TO MAKE THINGS BETTER.

BUT SPECIFICALLY, NO.

IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT ON THE

LIST.



Maureen says DO THOSE

CATEGORIES IN THE U.S.

CHANGE FROM TIME TO TIME

WITH THE ECONOMY OR --



Joel says WELL, IN CANADAS THAT

UNDER THE FREE-TRADE

AGREEMENT T IS THE SAME

LIST.

NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE

800 OCCUPATIONS.

THIS IS STRICTLY A NAFTA

LIST OF ABOUT 60

OCCUPATIONS.

IT IS ONLY CHANGED ONCE

SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE

NORTH AMERICAN FREE-TRADE

AGREEMENT.

AND THAT WAS TO DELIST

JOURNALISTS.



Maureen says JUST TO GET RID OF US.



Joel says WELL, BUT NOBODY DID

ACCEPT THE JOURNALISTS.

THE JOURNALISTS ASKED TO BE

TAKEN OFF THE LIST.



Maureen says OH.

I THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING

PETER JENNINGS AND ALL THESE

OTHER CANADIANS DOWN THERE.



Joel says JOURNALISTS ASKED TO BE

TAKEN OFF THE LIST BECAUSE

99 PERCENT OF THESE OCCUPATIONS

REQUIRE A DEGREE.

AND JOURNALISTS DIDN'T LIKE

THE IDEA THAT IN ORDER TO BE

A JOURNALIST YOU KNEED A

DEGREE.

AND WE SAID NO, WE DON'T

WANT THAT CRITERIA SO PLEASE

TAKE US OFF THE LIST.



Maureen says OKAY.

I TAKE IT DOCTORS ARE ON THE

LIST.



Joel says PHYSICIANS ARE ON THE

LIST BUT THEY CAN'T DO

PATIENT CARE UNDER THE NORTH

AMERICAN FREE-TRADE

AGREEMENT.

SO A PHYSICIAN IS GOING TO

TEACH OR DO RESEARCH CAN GO

BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN

CANADA AND THE UNITED

STATES.

BUT THEY CAN'T -- YOU CAN'T

FUNCTION AS A GENERAL

PRACTITIONER UNDER THE NORTH

AMERICAN FREE-TRADE

AGREEMENT.



Maureen says ANYBODY WHO HAS

RIDEN A CAB IN FRONT HAS

FROM TIME TO TIME MET

SOMEBODY WHO SAID THEY WERE

A DOCTOR IN THEIR OWN

COUNTRY.

THIS IS BECOME AN ISSUE OF

HOW WE GET FOREIGN TRAINED

DOCTORS TO BE ABLE TO

PRACTICE IN ONTARIO.

WHICH LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT

SHOULD WE BE LOOKING TO TO

HELP EXPEDITE THIS.



Joel says WELL, ON THE IMMIGRATION

LEVEL WHICH OF COURSE IS

FEDERAL WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING

DOCTORS UNLESS THEY ARE

TRULY EXTRA.

I MEAN DOCTORS ARE JUST NOT

ON THAT INDEPENDENT LIST.



Maureen says NOW THAT SEEMS

CRAZY BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE

IS A SHORTAGE OF DOCTORS.



Joel says THERE IS A SHORTAGE NOW

BUT AT THE TIME THE LIST WAS

PUT TOGETHER THERE WASN'T A

SHORTAGE.

SO THIS IS --



Maureen says HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO

CHANGE THE LIST.



Joel says TO THE BEST OF MY

KNOWLEDGE IT HASN'T BEEN

CHANGED IT IN AT LEAST FIVE

OR SIX YEARS.

IT SHOULDN'T TAKE A MOMENT

TO DESIGNATION A PROFESSION

AS ONE IN SHORT SUPPLY BUT

IT HAS BEEN RARELY DONE.

I THINK, I MEAN I THINK IT

COULD BE AND I THINK IF MORE

ATTENTION WAS PAID TO THIS

LIST, A LOT LESS WOULD HAVE

TO BE CHANGED IN IMMIGRATION

GENERALLY.

THE LIST WORKS AND IT HAS

WORKED UP UNTIL NOW.

BUT IT HAS BEEN INFLEXIBLE.

THE LAST TIME IT WAS CHANGE

KD, OF COURSE, NOBODY WAS

RAISED IN POINTS.

EVERYBODY WAS CHOPPED DOWN.

SO A LOT OF SKILLED WORKERS,

NOT NECESSARILY

PROFESSIONALS GOT

ESSENTIALLY DELISTED.



Maureen says BUT IF THE

DOCTOR DOES GET IN THE

COUNTRY, IN ORDER TO BE A

CREDITED TO PRACTICE HERE

THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE

ONTARIO GOVERNMENT LOOKING

AT HOW --



Joel says THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT IT

IS A PROVINCIAL MATTER AS

FAR AS LICENSING AND THE

COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS AND

SURGEONS AND THE WHOLE

RESIDENCY PROGRAMME SO THERE

ARE A FEW LEVELS OF

BUREAUCRACY THAT MAKES IT

VERY TOUGH.



Maureen says DIFFICULT.

LET'S GO TO JOANNA IN

PETERBOROUGH.

HI, JOANNA.



Joanna says I'M CANADIAN AND MY

COMMON LAW HUSBAND HAS

APPLIED FOR AN INDEPENDENT

FOR LANDED STATUS.

WE ARE JUST WAITING NOW FOR

THE INTRODUE THROUGH DETROIT

BUT HE IS ON A VISITOR'S

PERMIT AND IT EXPIRES

MID-MARCH AND THE BIG HICCUP

IS HIS PASSPORT EXPIRES IN

JULY.

AND WE ARE VERY CONCERNED

ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP

THIS PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE

A YOUNG FAMILY HERE TOO.



Joel says OKAY.

WELL, THE PASSPORT SHOULDN'T

BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE AN

AMERICAN -- IS IT AMERICAN.



Joanna says ALGERIAN.



Joel says WELL, --



Joanna says HE CAN'T APPLY FOR IT IN

CANADA, HE HAS TO GO HOME.



Joel says TO GET A NEW PASSPORT?

Joanna says THAT IS WHAT THE HICCUP

IS.



Joel says YES, THAT IS A PRETTY BIG

HICCUP I WOULD SUGGEST.

YEAH, AND CANADA WANTS A

VALID PASSPORT.

HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN PENDING.



Joanna says IT'S A YEAR -- NO, SINCE

JULY, SINCE JULY WE HEARD

FROM SORRY, DETROIT, JULY.



Joel says OKAY.

WELL, WHEN WAS THE

APPLICATION ACTUALLY MADE.



Joanna says LAST JANUARY.

SO IT HAS MOVED THROUGH

QUICKLY, WE ARE VERY LUCKY.



Joel says SO IT IS ABOUT A YEAR.

YOU SHOULD ESSENTIALLY

BADGER THEM AND TELL THEM

WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.



Joanna says CALL DETROIT AND BADGER

THEM.



Joel says WELL, DON'T CALL THEM, I

WOULD WRITE THEM.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET

THROUGH ON A PHONE CALL TO

DETROIT.

WHAT DOES HE DO.



Joanna says HE IS A PHYSICIST.



Joel says OKAY, WELL, THAT IS

CERTAINLY IF I RECALL ON THE

LIST.

I'M JUST WONDERING THOUGH

AND YOU RAISE ANOTHER POINT

THAT YOU ARE NOT EVEN ASKING

ABOUT, WHY YOU DIDN'T

SPONSOR HIM.



Joanna says HE WANTED TO APPLY AS AN

INDEPENDENT, THAT IS ALL I

CAN LEAVE IT AS.

IF I HAD DONE IT THAT WAY

THERE IS PROBLEM.

I'M SUPPORTING AT THE MOMENT

BUT IT WAS JUST THE WAY HE

FELT.



Joel says AND THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL,

I MIGHT ADD.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT

TO BE SPONSORED TO SAY THAT

WELL, THE ONLY REASON WE ARE

TOGETHER IS FOR IMMIGRATION

PURPOSES OR SOME SUCH

REASON.

AND THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON AT

ALL.

BUT MY POINT WAS AS A COMMON

LAW SPOUSE CANADA WILL LET

YOU SPONSOR.

I MEAN COMMON LAW SPOUSES

CAN EMIGRATE TO CANADA.

THE UNITED STATES DOESN'T

EVEN REGARD THOSE IN ANY WAY

SHAPE OR FORM.

BUT EVEN SAME SEX

RELATIONSHIPS ARE SOMEWHAT

RECOGNIZED BY IMMIGRATION IN

CANADA.

SO I'M SORT OF -- I HAVEN'T

ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AT

ALL.

I'M SORRY.

BUT YOU RAISE SOME OTHER

POINTS THAT ARE INTERESTING.



Maureen says SOMETIMES YOU

JUST -- IT IS GOING TO TAKE

SOME LEGAL HELP, I GUESS.

YOU ABLE TO CALL, YOU TALK

ABOUT CALL DETROIT, WRITE

DETROIT, DO THEY PAY MORE

ATTENTION IF IF COMES ON

LEGAL LETTERHEAD.



Joel says WELL, TO BE PERFECTLY

FAIR, SOME CONSULLATE DOES

AND SOME DON'T.

I MEAN CONSULLATES TAKE ON

PERSONALITIES AND SOME ARE

VERY RESPONSIVE TO ALL KINDS

OF INQUIRIES INCLUDING, YOU

KNOW, THE APPLICANTS

THEMSELVES, OF COURSE.

OTHERS ARE NOT.

SOME ARE MORE USED TO DOING

BUSINESS WITH LAWYERS AND

WITH LOTS OF BUSINESSPEOPLE

AND OTHERS ARE STRICTLY

FAMILY BASED ONES.

I MEAN I WOULD DEFY ANYONE

TO GET IN TOUCH WITH AN

OFFICER IN NEW DELHI FOR

EXAMPLE.



Maureen says IS THAT HOW IT

WORKS.

JUST IN THE LAST MINUTE

WE HAVE, I WONDERED, IS THE

INTERNET A GOOD PLACE TO GO

TO DOWNLOAD APPLICATIONS FOR

VARIOUS CITIZENSHIP AND

NATURALIZATION THINGS.



Joel says SURE.



Maureen says THEY ARE ALL

THERE.



Joel says ABSOLUTELY.

CANADA IMMIGRATION'S WEB

SITE HAVE IMPROVED

DRAMATICALLY.

I WOULD CHOOSE THEIR WEB

SITES AS THE NUMBER ONE

PLACE TO GET THE INFORMATION

IN MOST -- AT MOST LEVELS.

ONE COULD ALSO CALL A CALL

CENTRE AND ASK FOR KITS TO

BE SENT OUT.

THAT IS THREE, FOUR WEEKS IN

THE PROCESS BETWEEN PHONE

CALL.

BUT IF YOU CAN GET ON THE

INTERNET AND DOWNLOAD THE

STUFF YOU WILL HAVE IT IN

YOUR HANDS.



Maureen says OKAY.

WE WILL BE GIVING THAT WEB

SITE ADDRESS OUT AS WELL AS

YOURS, THANKS FOR DOING THIS

AGAIN.


Joel says OF COURSE.

A slate pops up that reads “Guberman Garson. 4163631234. www.gubermangarson.com.”

The slate changes to “Immigration department. Www.cic.gc.ca.”

Maureen continues AND THAT'S ALL THE

TIME WE HAVE

FOR

MORE TO LIFE

TODAY.

BUT I HOPE YOU'LL

TUNE IN AGAIN ON TVO,

MONDAY THROUGH

FRIDAY AT 1:00.



A closing slate reads “The advice given in the preceding program is of a general nature only. Viewers should consult their own legal advisor for legal advice specific to their circumstances.”

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