Transcript: Naturopathic Medicine | Dec 04, 2000

(music plays)

In animation, the title appears inside the shape of a house: “More to life.”

The opening sequence shows a wooden table with a small lit candle as several words fly by: Nutrition, medicine, prevention, treatment, health.
Fast clips show different sets of hands performing activities on the table such as pulling petals from a daisy, drawing a big red heart, tuning a violin, flipping through the pages of a book, cooking, and pouring a glass of red wine.

Karen Horseman sits in a studio with a yellow wall displaying the “More to life” logo in the background.

Karen is in her late thirties, with short black hair and bangs. She’s wearing a blue blazer over a white shirt.

Karen says HELLO, I'M KAREN
HORSEMAN, SITTING IN FOR
MAUREEN TAYLOR.
WELCOME TO “MORE TO LIFE.”
TIS THE SEASON FOR SNEEZING
AND SNIFFLES BUT SHOULD YOU
LOAD UP ON THAT VITAMIN C TO
WARD OFF THAT COLD?
OR HOW ABOUT ECHINACCEA, TO
HELP BOOST THAT IMMUNE
SYSTEM OF YOURS?
SHOULD WE BE REACHING FOR
HERBAL AND NATURAL
PRODUCTS?
AS WE GET DEEP INTO COLD AND
FLU SEASON WHAT OF THOSE
PRODUCTS COULD WE STOCK UP
ON?
AND WHAT IF YOU'RE ALREADY
SICK?
ARE THERE SOME HERBAL
REMEDIES YOU COULD BE TAKING
TO HELP OUT?
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE TODAY
WITH RUTH ANNE BARON, A
NATUROPATHIC DOCTOR AND
SHE CAN TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS
ON NATURAL PRODUCTS AND
HERBAL REMEDIES.

Ruth is in her mid-thirties with short wavy blond hair and bangs. She’s wearing a greenish jacket and a red blouse.

Karen continues YOUR QUESTIONS HERE.
YOUR QUESTIONS ON
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE.

A caption appears on screen showing two phone numbers.

Karen continues YOUR CAN ALL US
IN TORONTO AT 416,
484, 27-27.
LONG-DISTANCE TOLL FREE
1-888-411-1234 OR YOU CAN
E-MAIL US AT MORETOLIFE
@TVO.ORG.
RUTH, WELCOME.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING
IN.

Ruth smiles.

Karen continues LET'S START WITH ECHINACCEA
IN TERMS OF ITS REPUTATION
OF BEING A COLD FIGHTER.
HOW EFFECTIVE IS IT?

Ruth says WELL,
IT'S QUITE EFFECTIVE IN THE
EARLY STAGES OF A VIRAL
ILLNESS.

A caption appears on screen. It reads “Ruth Anne Baron. Naturopathic Doctor.”

Ruth continues IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR
CHRONIC ILLNESS.
IT WORKS BEST FOR ACUTE
ILLNESS.
IN OTHER WORDS YOU GO HOME
TONIGHT, YOU FEEL A LITTLE
TICKLE IN YOUR THROAT, A
LITTLE SNIFFLEY, YOU'RE
FEELING YOURSELF THAT YOU'RE
COMING DOWN WITH SOMETHING,
TART TAKING ECHINACCEA RIGHT
AWAY.
HIT IT SORT OF HARD AND FAST,
RIGHT IN THE FIRST FEW DAYS,
THE END RESULT USUALLY IS
THAT THE COLD AND THE
SYMPTOMS RESOLVE MUCH
QUICKER.

Karen says SO YOU DON'T GET
THE COLD AT ALL OR YOU JUST
GET A LESSER VERSION OF THE
COLD?

Ruth says WELL FOR
SOME PEOPLE IT CAN ACTUALLY
STOP THE PROCESS AND FEEL
THAT THE NEXT DAY THEY FEEL
MUCH BETTER.
SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY THEY
JUST FEEL THAT THE COLD JUST
SORT OF PASSES OVER MORE
QUICKLY.
IF YOU USE ECHINACCEA
CORRECTLY, AND MAYBE SOME
VITAMIN C AND ZINC IN THERE
TOO, YOU SHOULD FIND THAT
YOU'RE NOT STILL SUFFERING
THE EFFECTS OF A COLD NEXT
WEEK AT THIS TIME.

Karen says BECAUSE I'VE
NOTICED A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
TAKING ECHINACCEA ALL THE
TIME THINKING IT'S A WAY TO
WARD OFF COLD ENENTIRELY.

Ruth says GENERALLY I DON'T
RECOMMEND TAKING ECHINACCEA
EVERYDAY.
IT'S NOT THAT IT'S HARMFUL
TO YOU, IT'S THAT YOU MIGHT
NOT RESPOND AS VIGOROUSLY TO
IT WHEN YOU NEED IT.
IT HAS A TRANSIENT EFFECT ON
THE IMMUNE SYSTEM OF
STIMULATING SOME OF THOSE
WHITE BLOOD CELLS THAT
ACTUALLY GO AFTER OUR
VIRALLY INFECTED CELLS IN
OUR RESPIRATORY SYSTEM.

Karen says I REMEMBER
ECHINACCEA SEEMS TO BE THE
ONE PRODUCT THAT TO ME HITS
HOME IN TERMS OF THE
EXPLOSION OF THE IT IN
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE.
ABOUT I'D SAY EIGHT YEARS
AGO, I WAS WORKING WITH A
GENTLEMEN WHO SAID THIS IS
THE BEST KEPT SECRET.
IT'S ECHINACCEA, IT COMES IN
A LITTLE DROP LET FORM AND
YOU MIX IT IN WITH WATER.
HERE WE ARE TODAY WHERE YOU
HAVE MAINSTREAM DRUG
COMPANIES THAT ARE PITCHING
IT AND PEOPLE ARE BUYING IT
OFF THE SHELL AT THEIR DRUG
STORE.

Ruth says YEAH, I
SAW ON THE SIDE OF A BUS
COMING HERE SOMETHING LIKE
“BENOLIN COUGH SYRUP WITH
ECHINACCEA” AND I THOUGHT
“WOW, HERBAL MEDICINE HAS
REALLY HIT THE MAINSTREAM.”
SO IT'S NOT A SECRET
ANYMORE.

Karen says AND I GUESS THAT
ALSO DOES SYMBOLIZE THE
CONSUMER DEMAND FOR THESE
ALTERNATIVE PRODUCTS.

Ruth says VERY
MUCH SO VERY MUCH SO.

Karen says YOU SEE THAT IN
YOUR DRUG STORES WHERE THEY
HAVE SPECIAL SECTIONS FOR
IT.

Ruth says YES, AND
BIG SECTIONS.

Karen says BIG ONES.
BUT THAT SAID, I HAVE TO GET
TO THIS RIGHT OFF THE TOP IN
TERMS OF REGULATION, BECAUSE
THAT SEEMS TO ME THE
SUPPORTERS OF ALTERNATIVE
MEDICINE AND THE HERBAL
REMEDIES, THEY ARE EVEN
ASKING FOR REGULATIONS SO
THEY KNOW THAT THE PRODUCT
THEY'RE TAKING INDEED HAS
THAT ACTIVE INGREDIENT IN
IT.

Ruth says AND
CERTAINLY AS A NAT PATHIC
DOCTOR I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN
FAVOUR OF REGULATION TO
ENSURE GOOD QUALITY
PRODUCTS.
THE SORT OF HERBAL WAVE HIT
THE MARKETPLACE AND THE
TRUTH IS THAT THE WAVE HIT
BEFORE THE WORLD GOT A LOT
OF REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
THERE ARE SOME VERY GOOD
COMPANY ASKS THERE ARE SOME
LESS REPUTABLE COMPANIES,
AND I WOULD SAY IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT FOR THE CONSUMER
TO KNOW WHAT'S WHAT.
WHICH IS A GOOD PRODUCT?
WHICH IS NOT SUCH A GOOD
PRODUCT?
WHICH HAS THE INGREDIENTS
THAT YOU'RE LOOKING WHICH
MAYBE HAS NOT BEEN PRODUCED
TO ENSURE THOSE INGREDIENTS
ARE IN THERE.
SO IT IS STILL TODAY A
QUESTION OF BUYER BEWARE BUT
WE ARE DEVELOPING MORE AND
MORE REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS
IN THE HERBAL INDUSTRY.

Karen says BECAUSE IT'S BEEN
DESCRIBED AS THE WILD WEST
BY SOME, THAT BECAUSE THE
LABELLING ISN'T THERE AND
THE WARNINGS, THAT THE BUYER
BEWARE IS VERY MUCH WHAT
CONSUMERS DON'T SEEM TO BE
UNDERSTANDING.

Ruth says WELL YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY,
WITH THIS SORT OF SECOND
WAVE OF HERBAL MEDICINE, I
CALL IT THAT BECAUSE, OF
COURSE, HERBAL MEDICINE HAS
BEEN AROUND AND WITH US FOR
HUMAN HISTORY, BUT THIS NEW
INTEREST THIS IT, IT HAS
BEEN A BIT OF A WILD WEST
MENTALITY IN THAT A LOT OF
MANUFACTURERS JUMPED ON THE
BANDWAGON WITHOUT A LOT OF
QUESTION TO QUALITY.
AND THE THING WITH HERBS
SPECIFICALLY IS THEY FIT
THROUGH THIS LITTLE LOOPHOLE,
WHICH WAS THAT HERBS ARE
ALSO FOOD.
SO THEY COULD FIT UNDER THE
CATEGORY OF FOOD RATHER THAN
MEDICINE.

Karen says AND THEY'RE
LABELLED AS SUCH.
FOOD LABELLING.
DIFFERENT REGULATIONS
ENTIRELY THAN MEDICAL.

Ruth says
ABSOLUTELY.
BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING
STEPS TO ENSURE THAT THERE
IS CONSISTENCY IN
REGULATIONS IN THIS
INDUSTRY.
WHICH WE SEE AS A VERY GOOD
THING.

Karen says HERE'S ANOTHER
EXAMPLE OF A HAD IN TERMS OF
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE.
MY GIRLFRIENDS, ALL OF US
RECENTLY HAVING BABIES,
WANTING TO LOSE THE WEIGHT.
THERE WAS THIS PRODUCT THAT
HAD 99 INGREDIENTS IN IT.
FOR 19.99 DOLLARS AT THE LOCAL
SUPERMARKET.
THREE OF MY GIRLFRIENDS
TRIED IT SAID IT WAS GREAT
FOR ENERGY, WITH THE BABY AT
HOME THEY FELT THIS ENERGY
BOOST AND THEY WERE LOSING
WEIGHT.
PROBLEM IS FOUND OUT LATER
IT HAD EPHEDRINE IN IT AND
THEY WERE GETTING SHAKY
HANDS AND THERE WAS NO
BACKGROUND OR WARNING OR
ANYTHING.
AND THAT, I THINK, IS
HAPPENING WITH A LOT OF
PRODUCTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE
TAKING THEM AND NOT
REALIZING THE SIDE EFFECTS.

Ruth says WELL YOU
KNOW, ANYTHING THAT IS MED
DISHNAT NAL IN ITS NATURE IT
JUST STANDS TO REASON THAT
THERE IS A POSSIBILITY IT
COULD HAVE SIDE EFFECTS IT.
CAN'T BE ALL GOOD AND NO
BAD.
YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE
TAKING.
THE PRODUCT YOU'RE SPEAKING
OF WAS A REAL EXAMPLE OF
DISREPUTABLE MARKETING,
BECAUSE THE MANUFACTURER
ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO PUT
EPHEDRA IN IT, WHICH HAS
BEEN CALLED HERBAL
AMPHETAMINE, BY THE WAY, AND
ORIGINALLY THE PRODUCT
WASN'T EVEN LABELLED AS
HAVING THAT INGREDIENT IN
IT.
AND FOR SOME PATIENTS,
PEOPLE WITH HIGH BLOOD
PRESSURE SO, ON, THEY
WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN HAD A WAY
OF KNOWING --

Karen says AND HEART DISEASE.

Ruth continues YEAH,
AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING
THAT CAME TO THE MARKET, WAS
HEAVILY MARKETED TO PEEP
BELL WEIGHT LOSS AND SO ON
AND WAS A REAL EXAMPLE OF A
PRODUCT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY
REALLY HADN'T DONE WHAT THEY
SHOULD TO PROTECT THE
PUBLIC.
AND WE -- I ACTUALLY SORT OF
IN MY LITTLE PRACTICE KIND
OF BOYCOTT THAT PRODUCT,
BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL THAT
THE MANUFACTURER SHOULD BE
REWARDED BY PEOPLE BUYING IT
WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DID A
DISSERVICE TO THE WHOLE
INDUSTRY, I THINK.

Karen says AND WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE
WITH RUTH ANNE BARON, A
DOCTOR OF NATUROPATHY.
LET'S START OFF
WITH MICHELE, FIRST QUESTION
COMING IN FROM ORANGEVILLE.
HI MICHELE.

Michelle says HI, HOW ARE YOU.

Karen says GOOD, THANKS.

Michelle says MY QUESTION IS
WHAT IS A GOOD HERBAL
ALTERNATIVE FOR WEIGHT LOSS.

Karen says WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT SOMETHING TO STAY AWAY
FROM AND WHAT IS SAFE.

Ruth says THE
TRUTH ABOUT WEIGHT LOSS
IS -- THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT
WEIGHT LOSS IS THERE IS NO
MAGIC PILL.
THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS AND THE
BAD NEWS, RIGHT?
Ruth smiles and continues THE TRUTH IS THAT YOU'VE GOT
TO DO THE WORK, WHICH IS
LOOK AT YOUR DIET, GOOD
QUALITY PROTEIN, WATCH THE
CARBOHYDRATES, ELIMINATE
SUGAR, NOT A HAPPY MESSAGE
AT THIS TIME OF THE YEAR,
RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, AND
FOR THOSE OF US, ONE OF THE
MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE CAN
DO IS EXERCISE.
AND YOU CAN'T -- THERE'S
NOTHING THAT TAKES THE PLACE
OF EXERCISE, I'VE GOT TO
SAY.
SO THERE ARE HERBS THAT ACT
AS DIURETICS, FOR EXAMPLE
DANDELION TEA.
IT STIMULATES THE LIVER,
STIMULATES KIDNEYS, GOOD FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE RETAINING A
LITTLE BIT OF FLUID, IT'S A
SAFE, GENTLE HERB TO USE.
THAT'S ONE THAT I THINK OF.
THERE ARE HERBS THAT
ACTUALLY DO CUT THE APPETITE,
LIKE EPHEDRA, BUT THAT'S ONE
THAT I DON'T RECOMMEND FOR
EVERYBODY, AND YOU CAN'T
RECOMMEND IT FOR EVERYBODY
BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME REAL
CONTRA INDICATIONS.
SO ALFALFA IS A HERB THAT IS
RICH IN MINERAL, HIGH IN
NUTRIENTS, GOT A LOT OF
VITAMINS IN IT, WOULD BE
SAFE FOR MOST PEOPLE AND
MIGHT HELP.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING HONESTLY
THAT CAUSES FAT TO JUST MELT
AWAY.

Karen says IN THE DIET
INDUSTRY -- THE INDUSTRY IS
AT FAULT ALSO FOR TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THESE
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINES IN
TERMS OF FEN-FEN AND ALL THE
CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING
THAT.
IT GOT ON BOARD WITH A MULTI
BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY,
KNEW THERE WAS MONEY TO BE
MADE AND AS YOU POINTED OUT
IN SOME CASES CRIMINALLY
PROMOTED THESE PRODUCTS WHEN
IT COULD DO HARM TO MANY
PEOPLE.
AND THAT ISSUE ALONE, I
THINK, IS WHERE WHEN THE
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE
INDUSTRY IS LOOKING FOR
CREDIBILITY, THAT'S GOT TO
HURT.
BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE OUT
THERE TO LEGITIMATELY HELP
THOSE.

Ruth says SURE.

Karen continues BUT HIGH PROFILE
EXAMPLES LIKE THAT HAVE MADE
IT MORE DIFFICULT, I WOULD
IMAGINE.

Ruth says WELL I
THINK WHAT THE PUBLIC
DOESN'T REALIZE, FOR EXAMPLE
NATUROPATHIC DOCTORS, MY
PROFESSION, AREN'T REALLY --
THE INDUSTRY THAT MAKES SOME
OF THE PRODUCTS THAT ARE
SOLD IN HEALTH FOOD STORES
AND FORM CEASE, WE DON'T
HAVE A LOT OF SAY THERE.
SO THE WORK THAT WE DO,
WHICH IS INDIVIDUALLY
RECOMMENDING THINGS FOR
PATIENTS AND RECOMMENDING
EVEN SPECIFIC BRANDS IS
SEPARATE.
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THE
INDUSTRY IS PART OF THE BIG
PICTURE, BUT WE'RE NOT
REALLY VERY MUCH ON BOARD
WITH SOME OF THESE
MANUFACTURERS.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE
COMPLAINTS, JUST LIKE THE
PUBLIC CAN.
WE CAN GIVE ADVICE IF WE'RE
ASKED FOR IT.
BUT THE INDUSTRY SORT OF
GOES OFF ON ITS, YOU KNOW,
ON ITS OWN LITTLE TAN GENTS,
AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE
COMPANIES THAT I FEEL ARE
THE BEST QUALITY PRODUCTS,
AND WITH MY PATIENTS THOSE
ARE THE ONES THAT I MIGHT
RECOMMEND.
AND OF COURSE I ALSO TAKE A
HISTORY, SO I WOULD KNOW IF
THE PATIENT'S TAKING A
MEDICATION OR HAS A
CONDITION WHERE CERTAIN
THINGS ARE CONTRA-INDICATED
FOR THEM.

Karen says RIGHT AND YOU
TOUCH ON A VERY IMPORTANT
SUBJECT AS WELL IN TERMS OF
COMBINING HERBAL REMEDIES
WITH PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCTS
WITH MEDICINES.
THAT HAS TO BE REALLY
CAREFULLY MONITORED.

Ruth says WELL,
AND I WOULD SAY EVEN THOUGH
THE WORLD OF HERBAL MEDICINE
IS “THE MEDICINE OF THE
PEOPLE,” AS IT WERE, AND
MOST PEOPLE FEEL WITH A
LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION
THEY CAN MAKE GOOD CHOICES,
AND FOR THE MOST PART THAT
IS TRUE, AS SOON AS YOU
START MIXES OVER-THE-COUNTER
OR PHARMACEUTICAL
MEDICATIONS PLUS HERBS, THE
MORE THINGS YOU MIX INTO A
PROGRAMME, THE MORE
COMPLICATED IT GETS SO JUST
AS IF YOU WERE TAKING A
PHARMACEUTICAL MEDICATION, A
PRESCRIPTION FROM YOUR
DOCTOR, YOU WOULD ASK ABOUT
TAKING IT OVER-THE-COUNTER,
LIKEWISE YOU SHOULD ASK THE
VERY SAME QUESTIONS ABOUT
ANY HERB.
AND SOMETIMES A PHARMACIST
IS A GOOD SOURCE OF
INFORMATION.
THERE ARE SOME HERBS ON THE
MARKET THAT EVEN YOUR
PHARMACIST MAY NOT BE
FAMILIAR WITH.
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CALL A
NATUROPATHIC DOCTOR TO TRY
TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW,
THE COMBINATION IS OKAY.

Karen says RIGHT, AND
INFORMATION EDUCATION.
ONE OF THE HIGH PROFILE
EXAMPLES THAT COMES TO MIND
IS SAINT JOHNS WORT AND THE
BIRTH CONTROL PILL, WHERE IT
CAN TALK AWAY THE EFFICACY
OF A MEDICAL PRODUCT LIKE
THE BIRTH CONTROL PILL WHICH
COULD BE A PROBLEM --

Ruth says WELL I'M
REALLY GLAD YOU KNOW ABOUT
THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THE
PUBLIC IS NOT AWARE ENOUGH
ABOUT THAT VERY EFFECT.
SAINT JOHNS WORT IS SORT OF
LIKE HE CAN NAIRBSHA.
ALL OF A SUDDEN IT WAS THE
HERB THAT WAS ON EVERYBODY'S
MIND, SO TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW,
A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TAKING
IT, AND WE'VE ONLY RECENTLY
DISCOVERED THAT WHAT SAINT
JOHNS WORT DOES IS SPEEDS UP
THE METABOLISM OF DRUGS.
IN OTHER WORDS THE DRUG
DOESN'T LINGER IN YOUR
BLOODSTREAM LONG ENOUGH TO
DO WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND ONE OF THE DRUGS THAT IS
AFFECTED IN THIS WAY IS THE
BIRTH CONTROL PILL.
AND I THINK MANY WOMEN STILL
AREN'T AWARE THAT THIS IS A
POTENTIAL PROBLEM.
IT ACTUALLY REDUCE THE
EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PILL.
SO IT SHOWS YOU THAT EVEN A
GENTLE HERB LIKE SAINT JOHNS
WORT, YOU NEED TO HAVE ALL
YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

Karen says LET'S GO TO SARAH
NEXT CALLING IN FROM CURTIS.
HI SARAH.

Sarah says HI.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR
DOCTOR BARON, IT'S TWO-PART
QUESTIONS I'LL MAKE IT VERY
QUICK.
ONE IS I'M SEVEN WEEKS
PREGNANT, BUT I'M HAVING A
LOT MORE PROBLEMS WITH
MORNING SICKNESS THAN I EVER
EXPERIENCED WITH MY FIRST
CHILD, TO THE POINT WHERE
FOR ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO KEEP
ANYTHING DOWN.

Ruth says OH, BOY.

Sarah says SO I KNEW IT WAS
NECESSARY ONE TO KEEP MY
LIQUIDS IN ME, NECESSARY,
BUT ALSO SEEK MEDICAL
ATTENTION SO THEY PUT ME ON
DICLEPTIN WHICH I'M NOT
HAPPY THAT I'M TAKING
PRODUCTS, BECAUSE I AM
PREGNANT, BUT ON THE OTHER
HAND I HAVE TO OFF-SET THE
MORNING SICKNESS.
IT'S NOT WHERE IT'S JUST IN
THE MORNING, IT'S --

Karen says ALL DAY.

Sarah says ALL DAY AND
THROUGH THE NIGHT.

Ruth smiles and says ALL DAY
SICKNESS, YEAH.

Sarah says THE MAIN QUESTION
I WANT TO KNOW IS THERE
ANYTHING OUT THERE
ALTERNATIVELY THAT I DID
LOOK AT IN GREAT LENGTH,
EVEN WHEN I WAS PREGNANT
WITH MY FIRST CHILD THAT
WORKED REALLY MINUTELY.
IT DIDN'T SEEM TO WORK WELL,
LIKE THE ACUPRESSURE
BRACELETS.
I TRIED ACUPUNCTURE,
ACUPRESSURE IN THE WRIST
AREA AS WELL, IT JUST WASN'T
ENOUGH FOR ME.
LIKE I COULDN'T CONSTANTLY
PRESS ON THAT AREA ON MY
WRIST TO MAKE IT SUFFICIENT
FOR MY PROBLEM.

Karen says SARAH, LET ME GET
RUTH ANNE TO ANSWER THAT
BECAUSE YOU'VE COVERED A
VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE IN
TERMS OF PREGNANT WOMEN AND
HERBS.

Ruth says YES.
WELL I MEAN THIS WOMAN IS
HAVING A REAL PROBLEM IN HER
PREGNANCY, AND SEVERE
MORNING SICKNESS CAN CAUSE
DEHYDRATION, WHICH IS A
THREAT TO THE PREGNANCY.
THE GOOD NEWS FOR YOU, SARAH,
IS NAUSEA IN PREGNANCY'S
CONSIDERED A SIGN OF A
HEALTHY PREGNANCY, EVEN
THOUGH IT DOESN'T FEEL THAT
WAY RIGHT NOW.
YOU WERE PUT ON A MEDICATION
TO PREVENT HYDRATION,
BECAUSE THAT IS A REAL
THREAT.
THE HERB THAT I THINK OF
THAT SOME WOMEN FIND IS A
COMFORT TO THEM IN MORNING
SICKNESS IS GINGER, AND
GINGER IS SAFE TO USE IN
PREGNANCY.
SO I CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE
SAYING THAT TO YOU, NOT EVEN
KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR
HISTORY.
THE WAY THAT IT'S USED IS
EITHER IN A CAPSULE FORM, SO
POWDERED GINGER IN A CAPSULE,
IT'S THE SAME HERB THAT YOU
WOULD FIND IN YOUR SPICE
CABINET BY THE WAY, SO
POWDERED GINGER IN A CAPSULE
FORM OR YOU COULD TAKE IT AS
A TEA.
SO YOU CAN GO THE
SUPERMARKET, BUY GINGER
ROOT.
FRESH GINGER ROOT.
TYPICALLY ABOUT AN INCH OF
THE ROOT FINALLY CHOPPED IN
A CUP OF TEA, LET IT STEEP
FOR A GOOD HALF HOUR, SO IT
WON'T BE PIPING HOT WHEN YOU
DRINK IT.
YOU CAN PUT IN A TINY BIT OF
HONEY OR LEMON JUICE IF YOU
WOULD LIKE AND JUST DRINK
LOTS OF GINGER TEA.
NOW IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE
WITH KEEPING ANYTHING DOWN,
THE CAPSULE MIGHT BE BETTER
BECAUSE GINGER IS A PRETTY
STRONG FLAVOUR.

Karen says I USED TO SUCK ON
IT ACTUALLY IN MY TWO
PREGNANCIES.
SARAH, I'M SO SORRY YOU'RE
GOING THROUGH THIS, THIS IS
SOMEONE WHO WENT THROUGH IT
TWICE, IT'S AWFUL AND IT
INDEED IS ALL DAY.
IT'S A MISNOMER IT'S MORNING
SICKNESS AND HAD THE
VOMITING FOR SIX MONTHS AND
I FOUND OUT THAT THE NAUSEA
CENTRE'S AT THE BRAIN STEM,
AND THAT THE BEING A PUNK
TUUR ON THE WRISTS -- I WORE
THOSE BANDS FOR SIX MONTHS,
AND THE GINGER ROOT I SUCKED
ACTUALLY JUST --

Ruth says SLICES OF IT.

Karen continues YES, AND HAD FLAT
GINGER ALE AND DID FIND THAT
THAT DID HAVE SOME CALMING
EFFECT.
BUT THAT SAID, WHEN I WENT
INTO TWO HEALTH FOOD STORES
IN PARTICULAR THEY SAW THAT
I WAS PREGNANT AND SAID “YOU
KNOW, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE
THAT PREGNANT WOMEN SHOULD
NOT BE TAKING HERBS,
ESPECIALLY WITHOUT
CONSULTING THEIR DOCTOR.”

Ruth says RIGHT.

Karen says I MEAN, THAT WAS
SOMEONE WORKING AT A HEALTH
FOOD STORE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Ruth says WELL THE
THING IS THAT PEOPLE WHO
WORK IN A HEALTH FOOD STORE
DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE VERY
MUCH TRAINING.
THEY'RE RETAILERS, RIGHT?

Karen says RIGHT.

Ruth says SO IT IS
THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY
TO PEOPLE, “LOOK, IF YOU'RE
PREGNANT THERE MIGHT BE
SOMETHIN'S THAT YOU
SHOULDN'T TAKE, AND I'M NOT
SURE WHAT ALL OF THOSE
THINGS ARE.
AND THERE IS
QUITE AN
EXTENSIVE LIST OF HERBS THAT
ARE CONSIDERED NOT GOOD IN
PRE PREGNANCY.”
THAT BEING SAID, WILL IS A
LONG LIST OF HERBS THAT ARE
SAFE IN PREGNANCY, BUT JUST
TO BE SURE, YOU NEED TO GET
SPECIFIC ADVICE, IS THE
THING.
AND SO THAT HEALTH FOOD
STORE WORKER WAS ACTUALLY
DOING THE RIGHT THING BY
SAYING, “WAIT A MINUTE,
YOU'RE PREGNANT, LET'S BE
CAREFUL HERE.”
NOW I'VE HAD WOMEN EXTEND
THAT TO SAY I SHOULDN'T EVEN
TAKE A CUP OF HERBAL TEA.

Karen says RIGHT, WHICH IT
SAYS IN QUITE A FEW
PREGNANCY REFERENCE BOOKS
“WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN YOU'RE
EXPECTING” IS ONE OF THEM.

Ruth says RIGHT,
WHICH IS GOING TOO FAR.
YOU COULD HAVE APPLE
CINNAMON OR RED RASPBERRY OR
ANY OF THOSE FLAVOURFUL
HERBAL TEAS.
WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT
BLACK TEA AND COFFEE ARE
ALSO HERBAL EXTRACTS, IF YOU
THINK ABOUT IT, REALLY,
RIGHT?

Karen says RIGHT.

Ruth laughs and says EXTRACTS
FROM PLANTS, RIGHT?
SO I THINK COFFEE IS THE
MOST USED HERB BALANCE
EXTRACT IN NORTH AMERICA,
ACTUALLY.

Karen laughs and says DEFINITELY.

Ruth says BUT THE
THING IS NOBODY WANTS A
PREGNANT WOMAN TAKING
SOMETHING THAT SHE SHOULDN'T
BE TAKING, ENDING UP WITH A
PROBLEM THAT MAY OR MAY NOT
HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY THE HERB,
AND THEN HER COMING BACK TO
THE MANUFACTURER OR THE
RETAILER AND SAYING, “YOU
SOLD ME THIS,” AND I THINK
THEREFORE I HAD A
MISCARRIAGE OR PREMATURE
BABY OR BABY WITH A PROBLEM.
SO PART OF IT IS TO PROTECT
YOU, THE CONSUMER, PART OF
IT IS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.
SO YOU DO NEED SOME SPECIFIC
ADVICE.

Karen says GOOD LUCK, SARAH.

They laugh.

Karen continues LET'S GO TO PAM IN MICHIGAN
NEXT WITH HER QUESTION.
HI PAM.

Pam says HI.
HI, DOCTOR.

Karen says HI.

Pam says I'M CALLING
REGARDING CANCER AND
CHEMOTHERAPY.
MY MOM IS GOING THROUGH
CHEMOTHERAPY AND WE HAVE
ALSO BEEN APPROACHING THE
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE IN
CONJUNCTION WITH THE
CHEMOTHERAPY, SO MY MOM HAS
NOT BEEN SICK OR SHOWN ANY
SIDE EFFECTS.
SHE'S ON THE EXTRA OF
ESTRAGALIS, MITOCKI, SHE'S
DOING FLORESCENCE AND
BROHMINE AND PANCREATIC
ENZYMES.
WE ARE AVOIDING
ANTI-OXIDANTS.
THEY WANT WANTED TO ADD
NUPOGEN TO BOOST HER WHITE
BLOOD COUNT AND THE QUESTION
IS IF ANY OF THAT LIST THAT
I RAN BY YOU IS IN ANY WAY
GOING TO INTERACT WITH THAT
NUPOGEN.

Ruth says NO.
ACTUALLY IT SOUNDS LIKE
YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK OR
GOT SOME GOOD ADVICE,
BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS
YOU'RE ON, I KNOW, ARE
ACTUALLY VERY SAFE AND CAN
HELP A PERSON GET THROUGH
TEAM KAIRP AND SORT OF
MITIGATE SOME OF THE MOST
UNPLEASANT SIDE EFFECTS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR MOM'S
BLOOD CELL COUNT IS DOWN AND
THEREFORE THEY'RE
RECOMMENDING NUPOGEN.
A I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OF
THE ONES THAT YOU'VE
MENTIONED, MITOCKI,
FLOCESCENCE, ESTRAGALIS THAT
WOULD BE IN ANY WAY
INTERFERING WITH OR CONTRA
INDICATED WITH THE USE OF
NUPOGEN AND SO SOUNDS LIKE
YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING
AND SOME GOOD STUFF THERE
FOR YOUR MOTHER.

Karen says WHEN PAM TALKS
ABOUT HER MOM FIGHTING
BREAST CANCER, THIS IS
ANOTHER AREA OF ALTERNATIVE
MEDICINE WHERE SOME IN THE
INDUSTRY, NATUROPATHIC
DOCTOR TWHORS HAVE MADE
CLAIMS THAT THEY CAN EITHER
CURE CANCER, AND CURE THESE
MAJOR DISEASES, AND THE
INDUSTRY HAS BEEN ACCUSED IN
THOSE CASES OF FALSE HOPE.
LEADING PEOPLE DOWN A BLIND
PATH.
DO YOU FIND THAT THAT IS IN
THE PAST?
AND THAT PEOPLE ARE CHANGING
THEIR WAY OF THAT?
THEY'RE JUST SAYING THAT
THOSE ARE THE QUACKS AND
WHAT YOU DO IS LEGITIMATE?
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING?
THERE'S BEEN SOME MAJOR
CLAIMS THAT HAVE MADE SOME
PEOPLE SAY “I'M NOT GOING TO
LOOK AT THIS INDUSTRY AT ALL
IF THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE
CLAIMS LIKE THAT.”

Ruth says WELL AGAIN, I THINK IF
YOU TALK TO NATUROPATHIC
DOCTORS IT WOULD BE RARE
AMONGST US TO SAY “I CAN
CURE YOUR CANCER.”
FIRST OF ALL WE DON'T SPEAK
LIKE THAT WE DON'T
BELIEVE -- FIRST OF ALL WE
DON'T BELIEVE DOCTORS CURE
PEOPLE, WE BELIEVE NATURE
CURES PEOPLE AND WE BELIEVE
PEOPLE HOLD WITHIN
THEMSELVES THE ENERGY AND
POWER IT TAKES TO BE HEALED.
I THINK THAT HEALING CAN
ALWAYS TAKE PLACE ON MANY
DIFFERENT LEVELS.
THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD
TELL A PATIENTS “DON'T DO
ALL OF THAT CONVENTIONAL
MEDICAL STUFF, ONLY DO THIS
STUFF AND YOU'LL BE BETTER
OFF.”
WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE LOOKING
FOR IS A COMPLEMENT REPROACH
AND WHAT MEANS OKAY, I'VE
GOT CANCER, I'M GOING TO BE
DOING SURGERY, MAYBE
CHEMOTHERAPY, MAYBE
RADIATION.
I WANT TO MAXIMIZE MY
CHANCES, I WANT TO DO
EVERYTHING I CAN.
WHAT ELSE CAN I DO?
WHAT WORKS TOGETHER?
WHAT DOESN'T WORK TOGETHER?
AND THEN MY PRACTICE WHAT I
HEAR A LOT OF IS AFTER THE
RESCUE THERAPIES HAVE BEEN
DONE, THE KEEP MOTHER, THE
RADIATION, THEN WHAT?!
BECAUSE PEOPLE REALIZE THAT,
THAT IT'S A LIFE-CHANGING
EVENT, AND THEY'VE GOT TO DO
SOME STUFF TO TAKE BETTER
CARE OF THEMSELVES.
SO I THINK THAT THE DAY HAS
PASSED THAT WE SAY TO PEOPLE,
YOU KNOW, DON'T DO ANY OF
THAT STUFF, ONLY DO THIS
STUFF.
BUT IN FAIRNESS, I ALSO HAVE
PATIENTS WHO COME TO ME WHO
SAY “I'VE DONE CHEMOTHERAPY,
I'VE DONE RADIATION, I'VE
DONE EVERYTHING, EITHER I'M
NOT BEING OFFERED ANY OTHER
TREATMENT OR I DID ALL THAT
AND NEVERTHELESS NOW I HAVE
A RECURRENCE OF MY CANCER
AND I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE
AGAIN BECAUSE... IT DIDN'T
DO WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS
GOING TO DO FOR ME THE FIRST
TIME.”

Karen says BUT WHAT THE
SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY'S
SAYING THAT WITH HERBAL
MEDICINE AND NATURAL
PRODUCTS THAT THERE IS
PRACTICALLY NO DATA TO SHOW
THAT IT WORKS AND THERE
ISN'T NEARLY ENOUGH STUDY ON
SIDE EFFECTS.
AND THAT IS THE; TRA YOU
HEAR FROM THE TRADITIONAL
MEDICAL COMMUNITY.

Ruth says RIGHT,
RIGHT.
WELL IN FACT THERE IS A BODY
OF RESEARCH INCLUDING
CLINICAL TRIAL, CLINICAL
EXPERTISE.
SO THERE IS A BODY OF
RESEARCH THAT'S
EVER-EXPANDING ABOUT NATURAL
THERAPEUTICS AND CANCER, OR
WHATEVER CONDITION WE'RE
LOOKING AT.
SO THAT CONDITION IS -- THAT
STATE IS INCREASING AND
IMPROVING.
I THINK ALSO THOUGH, THE
PRACTICE OF PAT PATHIC
MEDICINE IS AN ART.
SO THERE'S SCIENCE AND
THERE'S ART.
JUST AS THERE IS WITH
MEDICINE IN GENERAL.
AND WE'RE LEARNING HOW
THINGS INTEGRATE WELL.
WE'RE LEARNING HOW TO HELP
PATIENTS.
IT'S A VERY INDIVIDUALIZED
THING.
AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT
DIFFERENCE.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, Mrs. A.
COMES TO YOU WITH BREAST
CANCER, AND IS ON THESE
CHEMOTHERAPY PUTT
PARTICULARS AND SO ON AND SO
FORTH AND Mrs. B. COMES TO
ME WITH BREAST CANCER AND
HAS A DIFFERENT DIAGNOSIS,
AT DIFFERENT STAGES AND IS
OFFERED DIFFERENT
MEDICATIONS, I WOULDN'T
NECESSARILY PUT THEM BOTH ON
THE SAME PROGRAMME.

Karen says AND WHEN YOU USE
THAT WORD ART, I HAVEN'T
HEARD IT DESCRIBED LIKE THAT
BEFORE.
I GUESS WHAT I THINK OF
IMMEDIATELY, WHEN IT COMES
TO BODY AND MY HEALTH AND
FIGHTING A DISOOZ DO I WANT
SCIENCE ON MY SIDE OR ART.

Ruth says I THINK
YOU WANT BOTH.
I THINK --

Karen laughs.

Ruth smiles and continues I THINK YOU WANT
SOME OF BOTH.
AND I THINK IF YOU HAD A
GROUP OF DOCTORS IN THIS
ROOM, EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE
THERE IS A SCIENCE AND AN
ART TO MEDICINE.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE A
SURGEON OR AN
ENDOCRINOLOGIST OR A PSYCHE
TIE TRIS OR WHAT YOUR
SPECIALTY IS.
THERE IS -- A SCIENCE IN ART
OF CLINICAL PRACTISE THAT'S
WHERE EXPERIENCE AND HIS
NOINGHT PATIENT AND
UNDERSTANDING YOUR WHOLE
FIELD COMES IN.
AND WHAT NATUROPATHIC
DOCTORS HAVE THE EXPERTISE
IN IS NATURAL MEDICINE.
SO IT'S APPLIES THE WHOLE
WORLD OF NATURAL MEDICINE TO
THAT INDIVIDUAL.

Karen says WE HAVE AN E-MAIL
FOR YOU HERE.

Karen turns and looks at the computer screen.

Karen reads “HI, I'M QUITE SUSCEPTIBLE
TO SORE THROATS AND LAIRNG
JIT TIS.
IN FACT I'M HOME WITH IT
TODAY.
CROAK CROAK.
ANY SUGGESTIONS?”
THIS IS WHERE E-MAIL IS
GREAT.
IT'S JOANNE IN OTTAWA.

Ruth says SHE
DOESN'T HAVE TO TALK.

Ruth chukcles.

Karen says THAT'S RIGHT.
ASKING ABOUT A SORE THROAT.

Ruth says OKAY,
SORE THROATS, WILL IS A
WONDERFUL HERB -- THE HERB
IS BECOME SO LONG POPULAR
WE'RE CONCERNED IT'S GOING
TO BE ENDANGERED.
THE HERB IS CALLED GOLDEN
SEAL, ALSO HYDRASTIS IT HAS
A VERY BITTER, NASTY
TASTE BUT IT'S WONDERFUL
AGAINST SORE THROATS.
QUESTION YOU HAVE IS IT'S
NOT JUST THE SORE THROAT
TODAY, YOU SEEM TO GET A LOT
OF SORE THROATS SO WHAT WE
HAVE TO ASK IS WHY?
WHAT ELSE ARE YOU DOING?
ARE YOU NOT GETTING ENOUGH
SFLEEP ARE YOU EATING FOODS
PERHAPS THAT ARE IRRITANTS
TO YOU?
DO YOU SMOKE?
THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE ONE.
ARE YOU EXPOSED TO A LOT OF
GERMS?
ARE YOU A SCHOOL TEACHER? DO
YOU HAVE 30 LITTLE CHILDREN
SORT OF IN LAP ALL DAY LONG?
SO THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS
THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER FOR
A PERSON WHO HAS A RECURRING
ILLNESS OR VULNERABILITY IN
A CERTAIN AREA AND ONE THING
THAT IS A GOOD GENERAL TIP
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE FEELING
THAT THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM
ISN'T WHAT IT SHOULD BE, AND
IT'S SOMETHING YOU DO
YOURSELF, IT'S NOT SOMETHING
YOU TAKE, IS EVERY MORNING
BEFORE YOUR SHOWER, IT'S
GOING TO MEAN THAT YOUR
SHOWER'S GOING TO TAKE ABOUT
FIVE EXTRA MINUTES EVERYDAY,
YOU START FROM YOUR DISPOS
YOUR FINGERTIP US AND DO A
TECHNIQUE CALLED DRY
BRUSHING.
SO BEFORE YOU HOP IN THE
SHOWER YOU TAKE EITHER A
NATURAL SOFT BRISTLE BRUSH
OR A COTTON TERRY CLOTH FACE
CLOTH AND ON YOUR DRY SKIN
YOU VERY VIGOROUSLY RUB
STARTING AT THE EXTREME TEES
AND MOVING TOWARDS YOUR
TORSO.
YOU SHOULD FEEL A NICE SORT
OF TINGLE HAPPENING.
SO YOU WORK ALL THE WAY UP
AND ALL THE WAY UP YOUR LEGS
AND OVER YOUR BACK AND TUMMY
SO YOU'RE GETTING ALL NICE
AND TINGLY AND THEN YOU GET
INTO THE SOMEHOW SGER THAT
REALLY STIMULATES THE
LYMPHATIC FLOW OF YOUR BODY.
THE LYMPHATICS ARE KIND OF
LIKE THE SEWAGE TREATMENT
SYSTEM OF THE BODY SO, IT
GETS EVERYTHING MOVING SWIRX
GOOD.
AND THEN YOU GET IN THE
SHOWER, YOU DO YOUR NORMAL
WASH AND BEFORE GET OUT YOU
DOING SOMETHING CALLED HYKRA
THERAPY, ALTERNATING HOT AND
COLD.
I KNOW IT'S A COLD DAY HERE
IN TORONTO, IT DOESN'T SOUND
GOOD, BUT BELIEVE ME YOU DO
GET USED TO IT.
ABOUT 20 SECONDS OF COLD ON
YOUR TORSO, AS COLD AS YOU
CAN TAKE IT AND THEN ABOUT
40 SECONDS OF WARM.
ANOTHER 20 SECONDS OF TOLD,
ANOTHER 40 SECONDS OF WARM,
ANOTHER TWENTY SECONDS OF
GOLD, GET OUT WITH THE COLD.

Karen says WAS THAT THREE?

Ruth says IF YOU
CAN DO THREE SHOTS OF COLD
THAT'S GOOD.

Karen says THAT RELEASES THE
TOXINS, RIGHT?

Ruth says IT'S
JUST VERY STIMULATING.
GETS EVERYTHING CIRCULATING,
GETS YOUR
ORGANS OF ELIMINATION
WORKING WELL, AND ONCE YOU
GET USED TO IT, IT'S A VERY
ENERGIZING THING AND IT
REALLY IS AN IMMUNE BOOSTER.

Karen says THE MENTION OF
LARYNGITIS WHICH IS VIRAL,
BUT YOUR SUGGESTION OF THE
PRODUCT THAT'S GOOD FOR THE
SORE THROAT SRBS THAT GOING
TO TREAT A VIRAL INFECTION?

Ruth says YES.
GOLDEN SEAL'S A GOOD, BROAD
SPECTRUM ANTIMICROBIAL, AND
I WOULD SAY NOT ALL
LARYNGITIS IS VARE RAL.
THERE ARE -- YOU KNOW, SOME
OF US GET LAIRNG JIT TIS
AFTER BEING AT A SMOKEY
PARTY.

Karen says I JUST THOUGHT
THAT WAS YOU'RE LUNGS SAYING
“GIVE US A BREAK HERE.”
I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS BE A
IRRITATED THROAT PASSAGE,
NOT NECESSARILY AN INFECTION
AS SUCH --

Ruth says YEAH,
AND USUALLY LARYNGITIS IS
JUST AN IRRITATION OF THE
VOICE BOX AND SOMETIMES IT'S
VIRAL AND SOMETIMES IT'S
PARTICLING -- PARTICLES,
THAT ARE IN THE AIR.

Karen says IN TERMS WAS
VITAMIN C, WHICH WE
MENTIONED OFF THE TOP, I
WANTED TO DOM BACK TO IT.
THIS IS ANOTHER THING, I'VE
NOTICED PEOPLE “I'M GOING TO
OVERDOSE ON VITAMIN C, I'M
GETTING A COLD.”

Ruth says YEAH.

Karen continues IS IT TRUE IF YOU
OVERDOSE ON SOMETHING LIKE
VITAMIN C THAT THE BODY ONLY
ABSORBS SO MUCH AND THE REST
JUST GETS FLUSHED OUT.

Ruth says WELL NOT
ALL VITAMINS GET FLUSHED AND
NOT ALL MINERALS GET FLUSHED
EASILY.
THE WATER SOLUBLE ONES DO
GET FLUSHED OUT.
NOW WHAT WAS WITH VITAMIN C,
OUR BODY HAS A SORT OF
SAFETY MEASURE THAT WHEN YOU
TAKE TOO MUCH VITAMIN C,
WHICH FOR MOST OF US IS LIKE
10,000 MILLIGRAMS, SO IT'S A
LOT --

Karen says WE CAN TAKE THAT
MUCH A DAY?

Ruth says YES,
WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT YOU'LL GET
LOOSE STOOL SO YOU'LL GET
DIARRHEA, AND WHEN YOU GET
TO THE POINTE THAT YOU HAVE
DIARRHEA, YOU KNOW YOU'VE
GONE TOO FAR, RIGHT?

Ruth says RIGHT.

Ruth laughs and continues AND THE
ADVICE FOR VITAMIN C DOSING
DURING ACUTE ILLNESS IS TO
WORK YOUR WAY UP TOWARDS
THAT LEVEL THAT WE CALL BALL
TOLERANCE AND IF YOU FIND
YOURSELF GET TOGETHER POINT
OF LOOSE STOOLS, BACK UP.
SO, YOU KNOW, BACK UP A
THOUSAND OR TWO THOUSAND
MILLIGRAMS AND THEN MAINTAIN
AT THAT DOSE.
BUT FOR ACUTE ILLNESS, LIKE
WHERE YOU'RE COMING DOWN
WITH SOMETHING, YOU CAN TAKE
A THOUSAND MILLIGRAMS EVERY
TWO OR THREE HOURS OF
VITAMIN C.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED MORE
DURING AN ILLNESS.
LIKE THE BODY HAS A HIGHER
DEMAND.

Karen asks AND YOUR BODY WILL
ABSORB ALL OF THAT?

Ruth replies YES.

Karen says BECAUSE IT'S NOT
WATER SOLUBLE.

Ruth says NO, IT
IS, BUT YOU HAVE A HIGHER
NEED DURING AN ACUTE ILLNESS,
SO YOUR BODY WILL UTILIZE
MORE.
AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT
WILL LIKELY BE FLUSHED
THROUGH THE KIDNEYS.

Karen says RUTH ANNE BARON, A
DOCTOR OF NATUROPATHY.
TAKING YOUR QUESTIONS IN
TORONTO.
LET'S GO TO ROSLYN
WHO'S CALLING IN FROM AGE
JACK WITH THE QUESTION.
HI ROSLYN.

Roslyn says HI.

Karen says HI.

Roslyn says I HAVE QUESTION
TWO, CHILDREN, BOTH GIRLS,
ONE'S FIVE AND ONE'S 18
MONTHS, AND IT SEEMS THAT WE
ARE SICK FROM THE FIRST WEEK
OF SCHOOL TO THE LAST WEEK
OF SCHOOL.

Ruth says OH,
DEAR.

Roslyn says YEAH.
LAST YEAR MY FIVE-YEAR-OLD
ENDED UP WITH -- SHE WAS
FOUR THEN, SHE ENDED UP WITH
PNEUMONIA IN FEBRUARY, AND I
GET IT, TOO, I GET SICK.
THIS YEAR WE'RE ONLY IN THE
BEGINNING OF DECEMBER AND MY
YOUNGEST ONE'S HAD
TONSILLITIS AND I'VE HAD
BRONCHITIS, WHICH I'M SLOWLY,
SLOWLY RECOVERING FROM NOW.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS --
AND I MEAN, THESE KIDS THEY
GO TO BED EARLY, THEY EAT
THEIR VEGETABLE, I'VE GOT
THEM ON VIT MINUTE, I EVEN
TRIED DOSES OF ECHINACCEA
THIS YEAR, FOUR DAYS ON AND
THEN WE'D GO OFF FOR A WEEK,
AND THEN FOUR DAYS ON,
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE
HEALTH FOOD STORE TOLD ME TO
DO BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT
ELSE TO DO.
I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH
ANOTHER WINTER LIKE LAST
WINTER.

Karen says BOOSTING THE
IMMUNE SYSTEM, SPECIFICALLY
IN KIDS.
LET'S START WITH THAT.

Ruth says THIS
LADY HAS TWO CHILDREN.
THE FIVE-YEAR-OLD'S GOING TO
KINDERGARTEN, SHE'S GOING
THROUGH ALL THE GERMS AND
HER LITTLE SISTER IS GETTING
EVERYTHING, RIGHT?
BECAUSE HER LITTLE IMMUNE
SYSTEM IS STILL LEARNING HOW
TO DEAL WITH ALL THAT STUFF.
AND THE MOM IS PROBABLY
TIRED BECAUSE SHE'S TAKING
CARE OF TWO SICK CHILDREN,
UP AT NIGHT AND OFTEN WHAT
WAS WHEN WE'RE IN THOSE
KIPDZ OF SITUATIONS,
SPEAKING TO YOU AS A MOTHER,
IS WE STOP TAKING GOOD CARE
OF OURSELVES.
SO IT BECOMES A SORT OF
DOWNWARD SPIRAL IS WHAT
YOU'RE TELLING ME.
THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO
TO HELP YOUR CHILDREN, TO
HELP YOURSELF, A VERY GOOD
QUALITY MULTI VITAMIN FOR
CHILDREN IS A GOOD IDEA BUT
PARTICULARLY YOU WANT TO
MAKE SURE YOUR KIDS HAVE
ENOUGH ZINC IN THEIR DIET
AND MULTI AND FOR CHILDREN,
EVEN THE 18 MONTH OLD, I
WOULD LOOK FOR SOMETHING
THAT HAS FOUR OR FIVE
MILLIGRAMS OF ZINC A DAY IN
IT.
AND YOU MAY HAVE HERD ALSO
OF GIVING KIDS ZINC
LOSENGES.
THERE ARE SOME LEMON AND
ORANGE FLAVOURED LOSENGES
THAT HAVE A COUPLE MILL GRAMS
OF ZINC WHICH IS A GOOD
THING FOR AN ACUTE ILLNESS.
HE CAN NAIRB SHARKS YOU'RE
RIGHT, YOU SHOULDN'T TAKE IT
ALL THE TIME.
THE THING THAT I THINK ABOUT
FOR YOUR FAMILY AND THIS IS
GOING TO SEEM LIKE GOING OFF
ON A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
TAN GENT IS ACIDOPHOLOUS.
NOW THIS IS NOT A HERB, IT'S
THE NATURAL BACTERIA THAT
SHOULD BE IN OUR GUCHLT THE
GUT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IS A
MAJOR INTERFACE FOR HOW WE
DEAL WITH GERMS AND FOREIGN
PROTEINS AND EVERYTHING ELSE
THAT COMES INTO OUR BODY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR LITTLE
GIRLS HAVE HAD TO HAVE A
NUMBER OF ANTIBIOTICS,
BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD
TONSILLITIS AND BRONCHITIS
AND PNEUMONIA, AND SO ON,
AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT
ARE TYPICALLY TREATED WITH
ANTIBIOTICS.
WHEN YOU TAKE AN ANTIBIOTIC,
YOU WIPE OUT THAT NATURAL
DEFENCE.
YOU WIPE OUT ALL THE
BACTERIA OF THE BODY, THAT'S
THE GOAL, BUT YOU WIPE OUT
THE GOOD GUYS, TOO.
AND WITH YOUNG CHILDREN, BY
GIVING THEM -- AND FOR
YOURSELF, TOO -- BY GIVING
ACEIDOPHALOUS YOU CAN
REBUILD THAT INTESTINAL
BARRIER WHICH IS A MAJOR
PART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM.
THEY SAY ABOUT 70 percent OF OUR
IMMUNE CELLS ARE ACTUALLY
ASSOCIATED WITH THE GUT SO
THE FIRST THING I WOULD
THINK OF FOR YOUR CHILDREN
IS ACIDOPHOLOUS, YOU CAN GET
IT AS A POWDER, WHICH IS THE
ONLY WAY TO GIVE IT TO A
BABY AND AN EASY WAY TO GIVE
IT TO THE FIVE-YEAR-OLD.
IT CAN BE MIXED INTO APPLE
SAUCE OR YOGURT OR MIXED
INTO JUICE.
IT JUST SORT OF TASTES LIKE
DUST SO YOU WANT TO STIR IT
INTO SOMETHING YOUR CHILDREN
WILL ACCEPT.
SOUNDS LIKE YOUR GIRLS HAVE
A GOOD DIET WHICH IS
IMPORTANT.
THE ONE THING THAT PARENTS
SHOULD BE AWARE OF IS THAT
SUGAR IN EVEN FORM, EVEN
APPLE JUICE, A LOT OF IT,
CAN HAVE A DEPRESSING EFFECT
ON THE IMMUNE SYSTEM SO THIS
IS A TIME, DURING THE COLD
AND FLU SEASON, TO REALLY
TRY TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN ON
AS LITTLE SUGAR AS POSSIBLE.
SOME 18 MONTH OLD CHILDREN,
YOU KNOW, DRINK A LOT OF
APPLE JUICE, ESPECIALLY WHEN
THEY'RE SICK.
THEY DRINK A LOT OF JUICE
AND DON'T EAT MUCH OF
ANYTHING.
I EVEN WOULD LOOK AT HOW
MUCH APPLE JUICE THE CHILD
IS TAKING AS BEING A
POSSIBLE SOURCE OF SUGAR
THAT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM FOR
THEM.

Karen says IN TERMS OF AGE,
THOUGH, 18 MONTHS AND FIVE,
HOW YOUNG IS TOO YOUNG TO BE
INTRODUCING HERBS?
I MEAN, THERE'S A REAL FEAR
FOR MOTHERS WITH YOUNG
CHILDREN THAT IT'S KIND OF
SCARY TO THINK OF SOMETHING
THAT'S FIRST OF ALL
UNREGULATED, POSSIBLY
UNTESTED AND THAT WE'RE NOT
GOING THROUGH A SPECIALIST
LIKE YOURSELF, EVEN THE
ECHINACCEA.
I MEAN, HOW YOUNG IS TOO
YOUNG FOR SOME OF THIS
STUFF?

Ruth says ECHINACCEA CAN BE
GIVEN TO YOUNG CHILDREN.
IT IS SAFE.
OF COURSE IT'S DOSE
DEPENDENT.
SO IF THE BOTTLE FOR AN
ADULT DOSE MIGHT BE 15 DROPS
FOR A DOSE, FOR A CHILD, A
YOUNG CHILD, I MIGHT EVEN
START ON ONLY ONE OR TWO
DROPS.
THERE ARE MANY HERBS THAT WE
DON'T GIVE TO LITTLE
CHILDREN.
GOLDEN SEAL, FOR EXAMPLE,
WHICH I MENTIONED TO THE
PREVIOUS CALLER --

Karen says SORE THROAT?

Ruth says YEAH, FOR THE SORE THROAT
I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND FOR
REALLY YOUNG CHILDREN.
AND BY THE WAY GOLDEN SEAL'S
NOT SAFE IN PREGNANCY,
EITHER, SO, THERE
YOU GO.
THERE ARE SOME HERBS THOUGH
THAT HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY
USED IN INFANTS.
GRIPE WATER IS NOTHING MORE
THAN EXTRACT OF FENNEL SEED.
SO AND MOTHERS ALL OVER THE
WORLD HAVE MADE A TEA OF FEN
NEL SEEDS AND GIVEN
SPOONFULS OF IT TO --

Karen says AND PICKLE JUICE.
PICKLE JUICE I'VE HEARD.

Ruth says PICKLE
JUICE, NOW -- BECAUSE OF THE
DILL!
YEAH, BECAUSE DILL
IS ALSO CALLED A SOOTHER BUT
HOW DO YOU GIVE PICKLE
JUICE --

Ruth laughs.

Karen says
I TRIED IT ONCE WITH MY
CHOLICKY SON.

Ruth says SEE, I'D
RATHER GAVE HERB BALANCE
TEA.

Karen says I WAS DESPERATE.
IT WAS THREE IN THE MORNING.

Ruth says WELL...

They laugh.

Karen says A WORD TO THE WISE,
YOU HEAR ALL OF THESE
DIFFERENT HERBAL THINGS THAT
MIGHT WORK OR OLD WIVES'S'
TALES --

Ruth says THE
PICKLE JUICE MUST BE BECAUSE
STILL A CARMINATIVE AND IN
THE SAME FAMILY AS A LOT OF
THE OTHER HERBS.
FENNEL IS BETTER AND
DOESN'T TASTE AS STRONG.

Ruth says LET'S GO
TO RAIKA FROM MISSISSAUGA.
HI RAIKA.

Raika says HI.
MY QUESTION IS AROUND THIS
TIME THE YEAR, AS SOON AS
THE WEATHER CHANGES I TEND
TO GET A LOT OF COLD SORES.
IS THERE ANYWAY I CAN
PREVENT IT?

Ruth says RIGHT.
WELL COLD SORES, OF COURSE,
ARE THE SIGN THAT A VIRUS
THAT IS LYING DORMNANT --
DORMANT IN YOUR BODY IS
BEING REACTIVATED.
ONCE YOU'VE HAD A COLD SORE
ONCE IN YOUR LIFE THAT VIRUS
THAT CAUSES THE COLD SORES
SITS WILL AND JUST WAITS FOR
ITS OPPORTUNITY SO WHAT THIS
IS TELLING US IS THAT THIS
COLD WEATHER, OR MAYBE EVEN
IT'S THE HEAT IN YOUR HOUSE
OR THE CHANGE IN THE
TEMPERATURE, IS STIMULATING --
OR IS HAVING AN EFFECT ON
YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM, A
NEGATIVE EFFECT.
COLD SORES ARE CONSIDERED TO
BE SOMETHING THAT'S FAIRLY
EASY TO TREAT NATUROPATHICALLY.
ONE THE HERBS WE USE IS
LICORICE ROOT, THE SAME HERB
THAT WAS USED IN THE
TRADITIONAL BLACK LICORICE
CANDY.
BUT EVEN A TOPICAL
PREPARATION, THERE ARE
LICORICE ROOT GELS THAT YOU
CAN PUT ON A COLD SOAR AND
THEY HAVE A GOOD IMPACT AND
SPEED UP THE HEALING.
NOW LICORICE IS A HERB THAT
WE ASK PEOPLE TO BE CAREFUL
ABOUT IF YOU HAVE HIGH BLOOD
PRESSURE, THOUSAND THAT IS
THE ONE LITTLE CAUTIONARY
NOTE WITH LICORICE ROOT BUT
FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING
REPEATED BOUTS OF COLDORS, I
WOULD THINK OF LICORICE ROOT,
YOU CAN TAKE IT EVERYDAY,
DRINK IT AS A TEA OR TAKE IT
AS A CAPSULE.
YOU COULD EAT THE CANDY BUT
OF COURSE THERE'S LOTS OF
SUGAR IN IT AND BY THE WAY
BLACK JELLY BEANS AND THINGS
DON'T HAVE REAL LICORICE
ROOT IN THEM.
ZINC IS ANOTHER ONE BECAUSE
IT IS AN IMMUNE STIMULANT
AND THERE'S AN AMINO ACID
THAT IS THOUGHT TO BE
HELPFUL IN TREATING CHRONIC
COLD SORES.
IT'S A BALANCE ACTUALLY
BETWEEN TWO AMINO ACIDS, ONE
IS ARGENINE AND THE OTHER IS
LYCINE AND THE IDEA IS
PEOPLE PRONE TO SORES DO
BITTER WITH A HIGH LYCINE
AND LOW ARGENINE BALANCE.
FOODS RICH IN ARGENINE ARE
LIGHT NUTS AND CHOCOLATE,
FOODS HIGH IN LYCINE ARE
FOUND THROUGH FISH.
IT'S HARD TO DO IT IN THE
FOOD --

Karen says ONCE THEY GET IT
OR PREVENTIVELY?

Ruth says YOU CAN
DO IT PREVENTIVELY BELIEVE
IT OR NOT AND I'VE HAD SOME
CASES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE HAD
REPEATED -- LOTS AND LOTS OF
COLD SORES AND THEY STARTED
TAKING LYCINE EVERYDAY, ONE
CAPSULE EVERYDAY AND IT
SEEMED TO BE ENOUGH TO JUST
TILT THAT BALANCE SO THE
COLD SORES STAYED AT BAY SO
THOSE ARE THINGS I THINK OF
AS BEING HELPFUL.

Karen says I WANT TO ASK YOU
ABOUT THE THE FLU SHOT.
IT'S GOT TO BE THE NUMBER
ONE QUESTION I'M HEARING
REGULARLY ON HEALTH ASKING
YOUS AND MY GROUP OF FRIENDS,
THE DEBATE, SHOULD I GET THE
KIDS DONE, SHOULDN'T I?
WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION?

Ruth says YOU KNOW,
THE FLU SHOT QUESTION IS A
TOUGH QUESTION, AND I'VE HAD
MANY, MANY CALLS IN MY
OFFICE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE
THIS YEAR WE HAVE A BIG
ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN ABOUT
THE FLU SHOT IN ONTARIO.

Karen says SPONSORED BY THE
ONTARIO GOVERNMENT.

Ruth says RIGHT,
RIGHT.
AND PART OF THE REASON FOR
THAT, I THINK IT MUST BE
SAID, IS BECAUSE DURING THIS
TIME OF YEAR THERE IS A HUGE
STRAIN ON FAMILY DOCTORS'
OFFERSES AND THE HOSPITAL
EMERGENCY ROOMS BECAUSE
PEOPLE ARE SICK WITH THE FLU,
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THOUGHT
TO BE COST-EFFECTIVE TO GET
EVERYBODY VACCINATED RATHER
THAN DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM
AS IT HAPPENS.
MY FEELING ABOUT ANY
VACCINATION IS THIS: THERE
IS, IN ADDITION TO THE
PERHAPS BENEFIT OF NOT
GETTING THE FLU THAT YOU'VE
BEEN INOCULATED AGAINST,
THAT'S FOR SURE.
IF YOU GET THE INOCULATION,
YOU WILL NOT GET THE STRAIN
OF FLU THAT YOU'VE BEEN
INOCULATED AGAINST.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE
ARE MANY OTHER GERMS OUT
THERE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE FLU.
ANOTHER PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN
YOU RECEIVE A VACCINATION,
YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS SORT
OF -- I GUESS YOU COULD
THINK OF IT AS TEMPORARILY
OVERWHELMED.
YOU KNOW THE VACCINE IS
ENTERING THROUGH WHAT WE
CALL AN UNNATURAL PORTHOME.
WE DON'T GET THE FLU
INTRAMUSCULARLY.
WE GET IT THROUGH OUR NOSE
AND THROAT.
IT ENTERS ORALLY AND THROUGH
OUR RESPIRATORY TRACT.
WHEN YOU GET A VACCINATION,
YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM GOES INTO
OVER DRIVE TO DEAL WITH
WHAT'S BEEN INJECTED AND FOR
A PERIOD OF TIME IT MAKES
YOU MORE VULNERABLE TO
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S OUT
THERE.

Karen says SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY
THEY GET SICK FROM THE FLU
SHOT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE
SUGGESTING.
BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE
SOLITARY EXPERT I HAVE
INTERVIEWED IN THE LAST SIX
MONTHS SAYS CLEARLY YOU
CANNOT GET SICK FROM THE FLU
SHOT.

Ruth says RIGHT.

Karen continues ESPECIALLY IN THE
LAST FOUR YEARS BECAUSE
THEY'VE CHANGED THE TYPE OF
VACCINE.
THERE'S NO LIVE VACCINE IN
IT.

Ruth says RIGHT.

Karen continues SO THERE'S NO
POSSIBLE WAY.

Ruth says SO THE
PROBLEM IS NOT THAT YOU GET
THE FLU FROM THE FLU SHOT.
IT'S THAT YOU'RE SORT OF
TEMPORARILY DISARMED SO THAT
IF SOMEBODY ON THE BUS
SNEEZES ON YOU OR YOUR CHILD
HAS, YOU KNOW, PINK EYE, OR
THERE'S A STOMACH VIRUS
GOING AROUND --

Karen says THERE'S MORE
CHANCE YOU'RE GOING TO GET
IT.

Ruth says MORE
CHANCE YOU'RE GOING TO GET
IT.
EXACTLY.
SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY I WAS
NEVER SO SICK IN MY LIFE AS
AFTER I GOT THE FLU SHOT
IT'S USUALLY BECAUSE
SOMETHING ELSE -- AND OF
COURSE THERE'S GERMS
EVERYWHERE, RIGHT?
SO SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING
TO BE OUT THERE, THERE'S NO
QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW --

Karen says IS THERE A
THREE-DAY WINDOW WHERE
YOU'RE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE --
I'VE HAD THE MUSCULAR PAIN
FOR TWO DAYS.

Ruth says IT'S
CONSIDER LONGER THAN THAT.
IT TAKES SEVERAL WEEKS TO
MOUNT AN IMMUNE LOGICAL
DEFENCE --

Karen says EVERYONE WANTS TO
AVOID WHAT HAPPENED LAST
CHRISTMAS.
THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN
ANYTHING LIKE WHAT THEY SAW
IN ONTARIO LAST CHRISTMAS.
UNBELIEVABLE!
SO THERE'S JUST SO MANY OF
US THAT JUST DON'T WANT TO
SEE A REPEAT OF THAT THIS
CHRISTMAS, AND IT IS --
YEAH, THERE'S NO DOUBT THE
ONTARIO GOVERNMENT IS SAYING
THIS IS GOING TO ALLEVIATE
PRESSURE ON OUR HEALTHCARE
SYSTEM.

Ruth says RIGHT,
RIGHT.

Karen says SOME HAVE
SUGGESTED THE ADS ARE A
LITTLE ALARMIST BUT IN THE
SENSE OF WANTING IT MAKE
SURE WE'RE MOTT RUSHING TO
EMERGENCY ROOMS AND OUR
DOCTORS, MANY ARE SAYING
YEAH, I WANT TO AVOID THAT,
TOO.

Ruth says
CERTAINLY WE ALL TO WANT
AVOID BEING SICK AND WE ALL
WANT TO AVOID BEING VERY
SICK, THAT'S FOR SURE.
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, AT THE
RISK OF SOUNDING
UNPROFESSIONAL, LET ME TELL
YOU ABOUT MY PERSONAL CHOICE,
WHICH IS MY PERSONAL CHOICE.
I SEE SICK PEOPLE EVERYDAY
IN MY OFFICE.
THAT'S THE NATURE OF MY JOB.
I LOOK IN PEOPLE'S THROATS
AND LOOK IN THEIR EARS AND
FEEL THEIR LYMPH NODZ AND
ALL THAT STUFF BUT I DON'T
GET THE FLU SHOT AND I
DIDN'T HAVE THE FLU LAST
YEAR, EVEN THOUGH LOTS OF
PEOPLE IN MY OFFICE DID HAVE
IT.
YOU KNOW, COUGHED ON ME AND
EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW
WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO?
I DON'T SAY DON'T TAKE THE
FLU SHOT AND JUST FORGET
ABOUT IT.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE FLU.
BUT THE POINT IS THERE ARE
LOTS OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE
CAN DO.
AND ONE OF THE VERY FIRST
THINGS THAT I SAY TO ALL MY
PATIENTS IS WHETHER IT'S YOU
OR YOUR CHILDREN OR YOUR
HUSBAND OR WHO EVER IS IN
YOUR FAMILY, WHEN
YOU'RE FEELING YOURSELF
GETTING SICK, DON'T CARRY ON,
DON'T GO TO THE OFFICE,
DON'T FEEL LIKE A MARTYR.
YOU KNOW, TAKE IT AS A SIGN
THAT YOU NEED TO STOP, REST,
TAKE IT EASY AND SO ON.
UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF US,
PEOPLE SEND THEIR CHILDREN
TO SCHOOL WHEN THEY'RE NOT
WELL BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO
TO WORK AND THEY DON'T HAVE
ALTERNATIVE ARRANGEMENTS.
AND YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED
TO -- IT'S ALMOST LIKE THAT
OLD FASHIONED SORT OF
NURSING A PERSON WHO'S SICK,
WHICH USED TO BE DONE IN OUR
HOMES.
WE NEED TO DO THAT AND NOT
ALLOW THINGS TO --

Karen says TO PROGRESS TO THE
POINT WHERE MANY COULDN'T
GET OUT OF BED.

Ruth says YEAH.

Karen says I WANT TO BRING
MADELEINE IN SHE'S CALLING
FROM ANCASTER WITH A
QUESTION.
HELLO MADELEINE IS IT.

Madeleine says YES, HELLO.

Karen says HI.

Madeleine says MY QUESTION HAS
TO DO WITH DIABETES, THE
PRODUCT CROMIUM BICOLINEATE.
WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON THAT
FOR A PERSON NEWLY DIAGNOSED
WITH TWO-TWO DIABETES.
THANK YOU.

Ruth says TYPE-TWO
DIABETES IS A VERY COMPLEX
PROBLEM, AND A LOT OF THINGS
HAVE TO GO ON FOR A PERIOD
OF TIME FOR A PERSON TO
DEVELOP TYPE-TWO DIABETES.
CHROMIUM PICELINEAT, OR
CHROMIUM, A MINERAL IS A
MINERAL WE NEED IN TRACE
AMOUNTS, TINY AMOUNTS, MICRO
GRAM AMOUNTS, EVERYBODY
NEEDS IT IN OUR DIET.
IT'S OFTEN FAIRLY DEFICIENT
IN THE NORTH AMERICAN DIET
AND IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE AN
IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF A
FAMILY OF ENZYMES THAT ARE
INVOLVED WITH BLOOD SUGAR
REGULATION.
SO IF WE EAT A LOT OF SUGAR,
WHICH MOST NORTH AMERICANS
DO, AND WE HAVE A DIET
THAT'S DEFICIENT IN CHROMIUM
AND OTHER MINERAL, WHICH
OFTEN WE DO, THE THOUGHT IS
THAT YOU'RE SORT OF PUTTING
PRESSURE ON THE SYSTEM FROM
BOTH SIDES, TOO MUCH SUGAR,
NOT ENOUGH MINERAL,
INCLUDING CHROMIUM, YOU'RE
GOING TO END UP NOT
TOLERATING SUGAR VERY WELL
AND HAVE PROBLEMS WITH YOUR
BLOOD SHUG ARE GA.
CHROMIUM IS SAFE.
IT'S USUALLY GIVEN IN 20
MICRO GRAM AMOUNTS, SO AGAIN
IT'S TRACE, IT'S NOT
MILLIGRAM LIKE CALCIUM.
THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO USE
IT.
IN FACT I WOULD SUGGEST
ANYBODY WITH PROBLEMS WITH
BLOOD SUGAR REGULATION
SHOULD BE ON SOME CHROMIUM.
CAN BE EVEN FOUND IN A GOOD
QUALITY MULTI VITAMIN.

Karen says THANKS FOR THE
QUESTION. I HAVE AN EMAIL.
Karen reads “I HAVE ARTHRITIS AND WANT
TO GET AWAY FROM TAKING
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
I HAVE HEARD ORGANIC APPLE
CIDER VINEGAR WITH THE
MOTHER THAT CAN BE PURCHASED
FROM HEALTH FOOD STORES IS
EFFECTIVE.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS
THON?”
AN PET CIDER VINEGAR WITH
THE MOTHER.

Ruth says OKAY, I
THINK WHAT THE WRITER IS
TALKING ABOUT IS THE MOTHER,
THE MOTHER CULTURE.
IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU'VE
EVER MADE VINEGAR AT HOME OR
IF YOU'VE EVER MADE YOGURT
AT HOME, YOU HAVE THE MOTHER
CULTURE WHERE YOU SORT OF
INOCULATE MILK WITH THE
MOTHER AND YOU END UP WITH
YOGURT SO, I THINK THAT'S
WHAT THIS PERSON IS TALKING
ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, APPLE CIDER
VINEGAR IS -- JUST IN THE
LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BEING
TOUTED AS A SORT OF A WONDER
DRUG.
IT IS A WONDERFUL NATURAL
FOOD.
YOU CAN FOOT ON YOUR SALAD,
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO
SWEAR BY GARGGLING WITH
APPLE CIDER VINEGAR AND
WATER AND LEMON JUICE WHEN
THEY HAVE A SORE THROAT.
IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE A GOOD
METABOLIC BALANCER IN THE
BODY.
AS PART OF A -- JUST A
HEALTHY DIET.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A MAGICAL
INGREDIENT, AND I DON'T
THINK IT'S -- IT'S CERTAINLY
NOT DIRECTLY
ANTI-INFLAMMATORY, LIKE
CELEBREX IS.
THERE ARE OTHER THINGS I
THINK ABOUT FOR PATIENTS
WITH ARTHRITIS IN TERMS OF
STUFF IN YOUR KITCHEN, ALONG
WITH APPLE CIDER VINEGAR
WHICH YOU COULD PUT ON YOUR
SALAD, A VERY GD
ANTI-INFLAMMATORY IS THE
HERB TURMERIC.
THAT'S THE YELLOW HERB THAT
MAKES KURRI YELLOW.
YOU CAN BUY IT AT ANY
SUPERMARKET, AND IT HAS SOME
REAL ANTI-OXIDANT OR
ANTIINFLAMMATORY ACTIVITY.
SO YOU CAN JUST CAKE HALF A
TEASPOON AND STIR IT INTO
AGAIN APPLE SAUCE OR RICE OR
YOGURT, AND I THINK YOU'D
GET A LOT OF
ANTI-INFLAMMATORY BENEFIT
FROM THAT.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING SAFE
FOR ALMOST EVERYONE.

Karen says TO MAKE THAT
EFFECTIVE WOULD YOU HAVE TO
SEE SOME RESULT FROM IT?
I'VE OFTEN WONDERED, DO YOU
HAVE TO HAVE IT EVERYDAY?
TWO OR THREE TEA SOONS
EVERYDAY?

Ruth says THE DOSE
IS ONE TEASPOON OF TURMERIC
EVERYDAY.
AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS
OF COURSE ON THE MARKET
WHICH I'M SURPRISED YOU
HAVEN'T ASKED ABOUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE
RHEUMATOID OR OSTEOARTHRITIS,
BUT FOR OSTEOARTHRITIS THERE
IS A WHOLE LINE OF RESEARCH
SUPPORTING THE USE OF
GLUCOSEAMINE BECAUSE IT
HELPS TO BUILD UP A HEALTH
YER CARTILAGE WHICH HELPS TO
CURB SHONT JOINTS.
THERE ARE OTHER NATURAL
ANTIINFLAM TREE, ONE CALLED
M.S.M. WHICH IS RECEIVING A
LOT OF PRESS RIGHT NOW AS
BEING GOOD AND SAFE NATURAL
ANTI-INFLAMMATORY.
SO YOU MIGHT TO WANT PUT
APPLE CIDER INTO YOUR --
APPLE CIDER VINEGAR INTO
YOUR DIET.
CONSIDER HAVING TURMERIC IN
YOUR DIET OR MEDICINALLY AND
MAYBE LOOK AT A COUPLE OF
THESE OTHER ONES AS WELL.

Karen says CRANBERRY JUICE
SORT OF IS LIKE THAT APPLE
CIDER VINEGAR.
EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK, PEOPLE
ARE SAYING CRANBERRY JUICE
IS MAGICAL IN TERMS OF
TREATING BLADDER INFECTIONS
AND URINARY TRACT PROBLEMS.

Ruth says
CRANBERRY JESUS HAS ONE VERY
SPECIFIC ACTION, AND IT'S A
PARTICULAR SUBSTANCE WITHIN
THE CRANBERRY.
IT INHIBITS THE ABILITY OF
BACTERIA TO STICK TO THE
BLADDER WALL.
SO IF THEY CAN'T STICK, THEY
GET FLUSHED OUT.
AND IF THEY GET FLUSHED OUT,
YOU DON'T GET A RAGING
INFECTION.
I DON'T THINK SO MUCH ABOUT
CRANBERRY JUST AS JUST GOING
AND HAVING A GLASS OF
CRANBERRY JUICE IF YOU
ALREADY HAVE THE SIGNS OF A
BLADDER INFECTION.
THEN YOU NEED SOMETHING
THAT'S GOING TO KILL THOSE
BACTERIA.
THERE ARE SOME HERBS THAT
CAN DO THAT BY THE WAY.
BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE
CHRONIC URINARY TRACT
INFECTION.
FOR EXAMPLE THE WOMAN WHO
SAYS EVERY THREE WEEKS
THEY'RE GOING TO THEIR
DOCTOR TO GET AN ANTIBIOTIC
FOR BLADDER INFECTION, THAT
IS A PERSON WHO MIGHT DO
WELL TO HAVE CRANBERRY JUICE
EVERYDAY.
BUT THERE IS ANOTHER LITTLE
CAUTIONARY NOTE.
BACTERIA THRIVE ON SUGAR,
AND SUGAR ALSO IS AN IMMUNE
DEPRESSANT.
CRANBERRY JUICE HAS TO HAVE
SUGAR IN IT OR ELSE IT'S SO
BITTER THAT YOU JUST CAN'T
DRINK IT.
SO WHAT I SUGGEST PEOPLE DO,
IF YOU'RE GOING IT USE
CRANBERRY JUICE MEDICINALLY
IS YOU CAN BUY SOMETHING
CALLED CRANBERRY
CONCENTRATE.
IT IS PURE, SOUR
CONCENTRATED CRANBERRY
JUICE, AND YOU TAKE ABOUT AN
OUNCE OF THAT IN ABOUT AN
EIGHT OUNCE GLASS OF PURE
APPLE JUICE OR PURE GRAPE
JUICE.
SO WITH NO SUGAR ADDED.
AND THAT IS A GOOD WAY,
INSTEAD OF YOU KNOW,
CRANBERRY COCKTAIL OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

Karen says AND THEN ADD THE
WATER TO THE CONCENTRATE.

Ruth says YES, YOU
CAN ADD THAT AS WELL.
BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SWEETEN
YOUR JUICE WITH NATURAL
APPLE OR GRAPE JUICE RATHER
THAN SUGAR.

Karen says OKAY, GOOD TIP.
JOANNE CALLING FROM OTTAWA?

Joanne says HI.

Karen says HI.

Joanne says FIRST OF ALL I'D
LIKE TO SAY I WISH I HAD
SEEN THIS SHOW 12 YEARS AGO
BECAUSE I HAD ONE OF THOSE
PREGNANCIES WITH THE
NON-STOP NAUSEA, AND TRIED
C-BAN TO NO AVAIL, ENDED UP
ON DICLEPTIN LIKE YOUR OTHER
COLLAR AND JUST SO SHE KNOWS
HE'S PERFECTLY HEALTHY AND
HE'S ELEVEN NOW.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TRIED
GINGER ROOT INSTEAD.
NOBODY MENTIONED IT.
MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS
DOES ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE
HAVE AN ANSWER OR AN HERBAL
TREATMENT FOR EXEMA?
WHICH I'VE HAD ALL MY LIFE
BUT IT COMES AND GOES AND
FLARES AT TIMES AND MOSTLY
ON MY HANDS TO THE POINT
THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE
CERTAINLY BEEN ON
CORTICOSTEROID CREAMS FOR
GREAT LENGTHS OF TIME BUT IT
SEEMS TO THIN THE SKIN, AND
THEN WHEN I MAKE A FIST IN
THE MORNING MY SKIN SPLITS
AND I HAVE SPLITS ALL THE
TIME.
AND IN ADDITION TO THIS I'M
ALLERGIC TO A LOT OF FOODS.
I CAN'T TOUCH A LOT OF
FOODS.
AND SO I WEAR GLOVES.

Ruth says RIGHT.

Joanne says AND IT'S REALLY AWKWARD.

Karen says SO THIS IS A
SEVERE CASE, LET'S FIND
OUT.
IS THERE ANYTHING
YOU CAN SUGGEST?

Ruth says WELL YOU
KNOW, WITH EXEMA AS WITH
MANY LIFE LONG CHRONIC
PROBLEM, THERE'S RARELY A
NATUROPATHIC SINGLE
SOLUTION.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY TO ANY
PATIENT OH, INSTEAD OF THAT
CORTICOSTEROID CREAM, HERE'S
THE NATURAL ALTERNATIVE.

Karen says ALOE VERA SEEMS TO
BE A TREATMENT FOR SKIN
PROBLEMS A LOT.

Ruth says YES, BUT
I WOULDN'T PUT IT ON DRY,
CRACKING SKIN.
IT'S VERY HEALING FOR BURNS
AND CUTS AND SCRAPES AND
THINGS, IT'S NOT THE THING I
THINK OF FOR EXCEMA,
ACTUALLY.
WITH EXEMA, AND A LIFE LONG
PROBLEM, YOU WANT TO TRY TO
TREAT IT FROM THE INSIDE OUT
AND I THINK THERE'S A CLUE
TO YOUR CASE IN THAT YOU'RE
INTOLERANT OF HANDLING MANY
FOODS.
IN MY EXPERIENCED, WHETHER
WITH LITTLE CHILDREN OR EVEN
WITH ADULTS, WITH EX MARKS
WHICH IS AN ALLERGIC
CONDITION, THERE ARE FOOD
ALLERGIES, FOOD
SENSITIVITIES.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO
FIND SOMEBODY WHO CAN ASSESS
FOOD SENSITIVITIES, AND MANY
NATUROPATHIC DOCTORS DO THAT
IN THEIR OFFICES.
YOU MIGHT TO WANT SEE IF
THERE'S SUN IN THE OTTAWA
AREA WHO DOES THAT.
IN TERMS OF A NUTRIENT, IF I
HAD TO SAY ONE THING THAT
WOULD BE SAFE FOR ALMOST
EVERYBODY WITH EXEMA, AND
WILL LIKELY DO SOME REAL
GOOD IT'S ESSENTIAL FATTY
ACID, THINGS LIKE EVENING
PRIM ROYCE OIL, BORRAGE OIL,
FLAXSEED OIL AND FISH OILS.
IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS
EATING FISH EVERYDAY, EATING
GROUND SFLAX SEEDS IN YOUR
CEREAL EVERYDAY AND MAYBE
TAKING A COUPLE CAPSULES OF
ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS ON TOP
OF IT SEEMS ESSENTIAL FATTY
ACIDS ARE ONE AREA THAT MANY
OF US HAVE A MUCH HIGHER
NEED FOR IT THAN MANY OTHERS
AND THEY ARE FAIRLY HARD TO
GET IN YOUR DIE YET.
GOOD OLD FLAXSEED OIL, YOU
CAN BUY EITHER AS A LIQUID
OIL OR IN A CAPSULE WOULD BE
HAVE VERY GOOD THING FOR
YOU.

Karen says WHEN IT'S IN THAT
LIQUID FORM, HOW DO YOU
INGEST IT?

Ruth says JUST AS
A LIQUID?

Karen says YES.

Ruth says WELL,
YOU COULD TAKE IT RIGHT OFF
A SPOON, LIKE COD LIVER OIL,
SO JUST MEDICINALLY THAT
WAY.
WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS YOU
CAN'T COOK WITH IT.
SO YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN THE
FRYING PAN AND SAUTE WITH
IT.
BUT YOU CAN ADD IT TO WARM
FOOD SO IF YOU HAVE A SALAD
OR A BAKED POTATO OR A BOWL
OF SOUP OR RICE, YOU CAN USE
IT OVER COOKED FOOD.

Karen says AND SINCE YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT TREATING IT
FROM THE INSIDE, BECAUSE
IT'S OIL AND YOU'RE TALKING
EXEMA YOU'D ALMOST BE
TEMPTED TO PUT IT ON THE
EXTERIOR.

Ruth says WELL, YOU CAN ACTUALLY
ABSORB ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS
THROUGH YOUR SKIN, AND WITH
VERY YOUNG CHILDREN, BABIES
WHO ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH
DRY SKIN WHAT WE OFTEN DO IS
HAVE THE MOTHER TAKE FLAXOIL
SO, THAT HER BREAST MILK
WILL BE RICHER IN ESSENTIAL
FATTY ACIDS AND MASSAGE THE
BABY WITH IT SO THE BABY
WILL ABSORB IT THROUGH THE
SKIN BUT THE IDEA IS TO GET
IT IN SYSTEMICLY, IT'S NOT
JUST A TOPICAL TREATMENT.

Karen says WELL IN TERMS OF
THE PROGRESS THAT'S BEING
MADE IN GETTING BACK TO
REGULATION, JUST TO WRAP UP
ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT,
IN OTTAWA THEY'RE OPENING UP
AN OFFICE SPECIFICALLY FOR
THIS, AS AN OFFICE OF
NATURAL PRODUCTS THAT IS
SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING US
CLOSER TO REGULATION.

Ruth says YES.

Karen continues IS THAT AN ENCOURAGING
SIGN FOR YOU?
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THEM
WORKING FASTER BECAUSE THEY
ARE TAKING THEIR TIME IN
TERMS OF ANNOUNCING ANYTHING
OUT OF THAT OFFICE.

Ruth says YEAH.
I THINK A LOT OF GOOD WORK
HAS BEEN -- IS BEING DONE,
BUT THERE'S A HUGE INDUSTRY
THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT
EVERYBODY IN THAT INDUSTRY
IS KEEN ON REGULATION, SO
THE OFFICE OF NATURAL HEALTH
PRODUCTS I THINK IS DOING A
REALLY GOOD JOB TO FIRST OF
ALL DRAW UP GUIDELINES.
THERE WAS ALMOST NOTHING TO
START WITH, SO IT WAS REALLY
ALMOST STARTING FROM SQUARE
ONE.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO
SEE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO
A LOT MORE INFORMATION
COMING OUTS OF THAT
OFFICE -- COMING OUT OF THAT
OFFICE THAT WILL GIVE
CONSUMERS MORE CONFIDENCE IN
THE PRODUCT THEY'RE BUYING.

Karen says IT SURPRISES ME
THAT THE INDUSTRY IN TERMS
OF SOME OF THE
PHARMACEUTICALS THAT ARE
COMING ON-BOARD WOULDN'T
BE PUSHING FOR THIS
REGULATION.
NOBODY LIKES A DUPED
CUSTOMER.
THEY GET ANGRY.
THEY FIND OUT THIS PILL
THEY'VE BEEN TAKING HAS NO
ACTIVE INFREED YENT IN IT AT
ALL AND THEY WON'T GO BACK
TO THATGLE AND IT'S ONLY
BEST FOR EVERYONE TO WEED
OUT THE BAD APPLES AND LET'S
ALL GET LEGITIMATE WITH
THIS.

Ruth says ABSOLUTELY.

Karen continues SO YOU'RE HOPING
THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD SOONER
THAN LATER?

Ruth says OH, I
THINK WELL UNDERWAY,
ACTUALLY.
MANY PRODUCTS NOW HAVE DIN
NUMBER, WHICH ARE DRUG
IDENTIFICATION NUMBER, WHICH
MEANS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BE
FAIRLY ASSURED THAT THE
QUALITY OF WHAT'S IN THERE
IS INDEED WHAT'S IN THERE.

Karen says THEY'RE CONCERNED
THE LABEL MIGHT BE TWO PAGES,
THAT YOU'D HAVE TO TURN IT
OVER UNDERNEATH BUT IF
THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES FOR
MORE INFORMATION, IT'S
BETTER FOR WE CONSUMERS.

Ruth says RIGHT.

Karen says RUTH ANNE, IT'S
BEEN A DELIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
INFORMATION.

Ruth says THANK
YOU.

Karen says RUTH ANNE BARON, A
DOCTOR OF NATUROPATHY AND IF
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A GOOD
TEXT WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND
THIS ONE, THE READERS
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Karen concludes THAT’S
IT FOR TODAY’S SHOW.
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