Transcript: Fourth Reading - Show 216 | Dec 17, 2000

(music plays)

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS
WEEK ON 4TH READING,
WHO WAS QUEEN'S
PARK NAMED AFTER?
WHY WERE ITS FRONT
DOORS FIRST LOCKED?
WHICH MPPs PLAYED IN THE
NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE?
COMING UP, THE 4TH
READING TRIVIA CHALLENGE.

Steve, Ruth, Richard, Mac and a guest sit around a table in the shape of a number 4.

Steve is in his mid-thirties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a striped gray jacket and black polo-shirt.

Steve says HI, EVERYBODY.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN
AND WELCOME
TO A RATHER DIFFERENT
EDITION OF 4TH READING.
THE HALLS OF QUEEN'S
PARK ARE FILLED
WITH A CAST OF WEARY
LOOKING MPPs OF LATE,
THEY'RE PULLING DOWN
MARATHON MIDNIGHT SESSIONS
AS THE GOVERNMENT TRIES
TO PASS A SLEW OF BILLS
BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE
BREAKS NEXT WEEK.
SO AS THE MPPs DREAM
OF HEADING HOME FOR
THE HOLIDAYS, WE
DECIDED TO OFFER UP
A LITTLE HOLIDAY
CHEER OF OUR OWN.

[trumpet fanfare]
A blue slate reads "Queen’s Park Trivia Quiz."

Steve continues THAT'S RIGHT, FOR ALL OF
YOU POLITICAL JUNKIES
OUT THERE, IT'S TIME
TO STRUT YOUR STUFF.
USELESS POLITICAL
FACTOIDS OR A CHANCE
TO BRUSH UP ON IMPORTANT
HISTORICAL MILESTONES?
YOU BE THE JUDGE.
OUR SPECIAL GUEST,
TRIVIA TSAR,
GRAHAM MURRAY FROM
G.P. MURRAY RESEARCH.

Graham Murray squeezes a rubber duck. He is in his late fifties, with a white beard and white hair. He wears black-rimmed glasses, a dark blue suit, blue shirt and patterned red and white tie.

Steve continues AND ON OUR 4TH READING
PANEL, FROM GPC,
GOVERNMENT POLICY
CONSULTANTS, MAC PENNEY.

[horn honks]
Mac Penney is in his early fifties, clean-shaven with white hair. He’s wearing a gray jacket and light turtleneck sweater.

Steve continues NICELY DONE, MAC.
FORMER CABINET MINISTER
WHO CAN'T BELIEVE
SHE'S SQUEEZING A CANDY
CANE, RUTH GRIER.

Ruth Grier is in her sixties, with short white hair. She’s wearing a black jacket, purple shirt and silver brooch.

Ruth says BUT I WANT TO BE
A MILLIONAIRE.
[laughing]

Steve continues AND THE DEFENDING CHAMPION
WHEN WE DID THIS ACTUALLY
ONCE UPON A TIME FROM
FRASER MILNER CASGRAIN,
PAST PRESIDENT OF THE
ONTARIO LIBERALS,
RICHARD RICARDO
RICKMAN MAHONEY.

[blows notes]
Richard Mahoney plays a note on a harmonica. He is in his forties, clean-shaven with gray hair. He’s wearing a gray suit, burgundy shirt and lilac silk tie.

[laughing]
Steve continues NICELY DONE.
OKAY, EVERYBODY, YOU
KNOW THE RULES HERE.
SUE KELLY, OUR
PRODUCER'S KEEPING SCORE
IN THE CONTROL ROOM.
ONE POINT IF
YOU'RE CORRECT.
MINUS ONE IF
YOU BLOW IT.
THAT'S THE MAC
PENNEY LOOPHOLE RULE
WE ARE CLOSING.
QUESTION NUMBER ONE.
WHO IS QUEEN'S
PARK NAMED AFTER?
[honk, squeak]
MAC PENNEY.

Mac says QUEEN VICTORIA.

Steve says ANSWER PLEASE.
[buzzer rings]
ACTUALLY THAT
IS CORRECT.

A caption reads "A: Queen Victoria."

Mac laughs.

Steve says I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU GOT
BUZZED BUT YOU ARE CORRECT.

Mac says I THINK I SHOULD GET
TWO POINTS FOR THAT.

Steve says WE'RE CERTAINLY MISTAKEN
AND YOU ARE CORRECT.
FOLKS, THE ANSWERS TO THESE
NEXT FOUR QUESTIONS
ARE ALL PREMIERS
OF ONTARIO.
FIRST QUESTION IS,
WHO WAS THE FIRST
PREMIER OF ONTARIO?
[horn honks]
MAC PENNEY.

Mac says QUEEN VICTORIA.

[laughing]

Steve says INCORRECT.
RICHARD MAHONEY
BUZZED IN SECOND.

Richard says JOHN MACDONALD.
JOHN A. MACDONALD.
[bell dings]

Steve says NO, HE'S ACTUALLY
WRONG ABOUT THAT.
[laughing]
HE SAID JOHN A.
MACDONALD.
IF HE JUST SAID JOHN
MACDONALD HE WOULD -

The caption changes to "John Sandfield MacDonald."

Richard says I DID SAY JOHN
MACDONALD FIRST THOUGH.

Steve says HE DID SAY JOHN
MACDONALD
BUT THEN HE SAID
JOHN A. MACDONALD.
WHAT DO WE DO
ABOUT THIS, JUDGES?

Ruth says JOHN
SANDFIELD MACDONALD.

Steve says JOHN SANDFIELD
MACDONALD IS RIGHT.
I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU HALF
A POINT AND YOU GET
ONE BECAUSE YOU GOT
IT RIGHT.

Richard says THIS
IS TOUGH!

Steve says WE'LL SEE IF THAT
MATTERS IN THE
ALL-IMPORTANT
COUNT LATER.
WHO WAS THE LONGEST SERVING
PREMIER OF ONTARIO -
[horn honks]
YES.

Mac takes some time to answer.

Steve says TOO LATE.

Graham says OLIVER MOWAT.

Steve says GRAHAM MURRAY
IS CORRECT.
[buzzer rings]
BRING IT UP.
I THINK GRAHAM
MURRAY SAID IT.
OLIVER MOWAT
IS CORRECT.

Richard says OH, GOOD ONE.

Steve says HOW MANY
YEARS, DO YOU KNOW?

Graham says NO.
[laughing]
I DON'T.

Richard says TAKE A
POINT OFF.

Mac says POINT OFF.

Steve says 24 YEARS.

Ruth says I WAS
GOING TO SAY 23.

Mac says THAT'S IMPRESSIVE.

Steve reads WHO WAS THE LONGEST
SERVING PREMIER OF ONTARIO
IN THE 20TH CENTURY?
RUTH GRIER?

Ruth says BILL DAVIS.
[bell dings]

Steve says BILL DAVIS IS CORRECT.
ALMOST 14 YEARS.
ABOUT A MONTH
SHY OF 14 YEARS.
OKAY, LAST QUESTION,
THE ANSWER TO WHICH
IS A PREMIER OF ONTARIO.
THERE HAVE BEEN 22
PREMIERS OF ONTARIO.
MR. HARRIS IS THE 22ND
AND EVERY SINGLE ONE
OF THEM HAS BEEN?

[squeak]

Ruth says MALE.

Steve laughs and says THAT IS CORRECT BUT
NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.
YES?

Mac says FROM OUTSIDE
TORONTO.

Steve says ALSO MAY VERY WELL
BE CORRECT BUT NOT
THE RIGHT ANSWER.
[squeaks]
YES.

Graham says A UNIVERSITY GRADUATE.

Steve says MAY ALSO BE CORRECT,
BUT IS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.
THE THREE OF YOU
JUST LOST A POINT.
MAC PENNEY.

Steve says RIGHT-HANDED.

[laughing]
Steve says ANOTHER MINUS ONE
FOR MAC PENNEY.
[laughing]
THE ANSWER IS, THEY'VE
ALL BEEN LIBERALS
OR TORIES EXCEPT
FOR TWO.

Richard says BOB RAE AND
MITCHELL HEPBURN.

Steve says BOB RAE IS CORRECT.
[buzzer rings]
WHO WAS THE GUY?

Mac says THE UNITED FARMER
OF ONTARIO GUY.

Steve says MAC PENNEY
IS RIGHT.
IT WAS THE PREMIER
WHO WAS REPRESENTING
THE UNITED FARMERS OF
ONTARIO IN 1919.
WHAT WAS HIS NAME?

Mac says QUEEN VICTORIA.
[laughing]

Graham says E.C. DRURY.

Steve says OH, GRAHAM MURRAY
GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
BRING IT UP AT THE
BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.
THERE YOU GO, BOB RAE, NDP,
AND ERNEST CHARLES DRURY.

Mac says ONE APPEAL ON THIS.
HE WOULDN'T HAVE
GOTTEN IT EXCEPT
FOR THE UNITED
FARMERS OF ONTARIO.

Steve says OH, HE WOULD
HAVE GOT IT.

Mac says I'D SAY HALF A POINT
FOR ME ON THAT.

Richard says I THOUGHT HEPBURN WAS
LIBERAL LABOUR.

Mac says HE WAS LIBERAL LABOUR.

Steve says LIBERAL LABOUR?

Mac says THEY WERE LIBERAL
LABOUR MEMBERS SITTING
IN THE ONTARIO
PARLIAMENT UNTIL THE -

Steve says THAT IS TRUE.

Mac says I GOT A POINT, A
POINT, A POINT.

He points to Richard, himself and Graham.

Mac says WE'RE ALL IN
AGREEMENT.
I THINK SO.

Steve says THEY ALL GET
A POINT.

Ruth says BUT I WAS RIGHT
IN MY ANSWER, TOO.
I SAID THEY WERE
ALL MALE.

Richard says I THINK I SHOULD
GET A POINT -

Steve says THAT WASN'T THE
QUESTION.

Richard says BECAUSE I GOT BOB RAE
AND HALF OF HEPBURN.

Steve says HE GOT BOB RAE AND
HALF OF HEPBURN.
HE GETS TWO POINTS.

Mac says I GOT UFO.

Steve says OKAY.

Richard says FOLKS AT HOME
DON'T TRY THIS.

Steve says MOVING RIGHT ALONG.
THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE CONSERVATIVE
DYNASTY WHICH AS WE
ALL KNOW LASTED
FROM 1943 TO 1985.

Richard says THE HORROR.

Steve laughs.

Mac says NO, NOT HORROR.
THAT WAS DYNASTY,
NOT DINOSAUR.

Steve says WHO WAS THE LAST LIBERAL
PREMIER OF ONTARIO
BEFORE THE TORIES
TOOK OVER, RICHARD?

Richard says HARRY NIXON.
[bell dings]
ANSWER, PLEASE.
HARRY NIXON
IS CORRECT.
HARRY NIXON, WHO'S
SON WAS?

Richard says BOB NIXON, TREASURER OF
ONTARIO - LEADER OF THE
LIBERAL PARTY AND THEN
TREASURER OF ONTARIO.

Ruth says WHOSE
GRANDDAUGHTER IS?

Steve says WHOSE
GRANDDAUGHTER IS?

Ruth and Richard say JANE STEWART.

Steve says STEWART FEDERAL
CABINET MINISTER.
IT'S A TRIFECTA IN THAT
FAMILY FOR POLITICS.
YOU DON'T GET ANY EXTRA
POINTS FOR THAT BUT
THANK FOR ELUCIDATING
THE AUDIENCE.
SECOND QUESTION ABOUT
THE TORY DYNASTY.
WHO WAS THE FIRST TORY
PREMIER IN THE DYNASTY?

[duck squeaks]
Steve points to Graham.

Graham says Mr. DREW.

Steve says IS CORRECT.
[bell dings]

Graham says HE CAME TO A STICKY
END VERY QUICKLY.

Steve says WHAT
DOES THAT MEAN?

Graham says WELL, HE LOST HIS SEAT IN
THE FOLLOWING ELECTION.

Steve says HE
DID, DIDN'T HE?

Graham says TO BILL TEMPLE, THE CCF
TEMPERANCE CAMPAIGNER.

Steve says THAT IS
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
HOW DO YOU
REMEMBER THAT?

Graham says HE DID FORM THE GOVERNMENT
OF ONTARIO IN 1943.

Steve says AND WHERE DID HE
GO AFTER THAT?

Graham says WENT ON TO BE
FEDERAL LEADER.
HE DIDN'T DO VERY
SUCCESSFULLY AT THAT EITHER.

Steve says HE DIDN'T.

Ruth says DID GEORGE DREW
KNOW YOUR FATHER?
YOUR FATHER KNEW
GEORGE DREW?

Graham says NO, I'M AFRAID NOT.
[laughing]

Steve says WHAT RANK IN THE
MILITARY DID HE HAVE?

Graham says I DON'T KNOW.

Ruth says COLONEL.

Ruth says COLONEL IS
CORRECT, RUTH.

Steve says THEY CALLED HIM
THE COLONEL.
I THINK WE GIVE RUTH HALF
A POINT EVEN THOUGH
THAT WASN'T ON
THE AGENDA.
[laughing]
IT'S VERY
SUBJECTIVE JUDGING,
BUT I WAS JUST IMPRESSED
THAT SHE KNEW THAT.

Ruth says I'LL TAKE
THE SYMPATHY POINTS,
I'M GOING TO NEED THEM
BEFORE THE END
OF THIS EVENING.
[laughing]

Steve says OKAY, HERE'S A NASTY
LITTLE QUESTION.
PLAYING ALONG AT HOME,
YOU'RE REALLY GOING
TO HAVE TO THINK HARD
ABOUT THIS ONE.
WHO WAS THE LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR WHO GAVE THE SEAL
OF APPROVAL TO THE
ACCORD IN 1985 BETWEEN
THE LIBERALS
AND THE NDP?
GRAHAM MURRAY.

Graham says JOHN BLACK AIRD.

Steve says IS CORRECT.
JOHN BLACK AIRD.
EVERYBODY WAS WONDERING
WHETHER OR NOT HE -

Graham says WHO WENT TO BED AT
9:00 EVERY NIGHT.

Steve says NOW, HOW DO
YOU KNOW THAT?

Graham says SOMEBODY TOLD ME.

[laughing]

Steve says WAS IT JOHN BLACK
AIRD WHO TOLD YOU?
IT WASN'T JOHN BLACK
AIRD WHO TOLD YOU THAT.
EVERYBODY WAS WONDERING
WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS GOING
TO TELL FRANK MILLER TO GO
BACK TO THE POLLS AND CALL
ANOTHER ELECTION OR WHETHER
HE WAS GOING TO HAND
THE REINS TO
DAVID PETERSON.

Richard says FORMER TVO PANELIST, JANE
PEPINO WAS A PARTNER
IN A LAW FIRM OF AIRD and BERLIS
NAMED AFTER JOHN BLACK AIRD.

Steve says YOU ARE EDUCATING OUR
VIEWERS IN SUCH
A MAGNIFICENT FASHION, I
THINK WE SHOULD GIVE YOU
A HALF A POINT FOR THAT.
I THINK IN MY VIEW
BROWN-NOSING THE HOST
GOES A LONG WAY
FOR THE SHOW.

[laughing]

Ruth says WELL IT
ALWAYS HAS.
WHY SHOULD
THINGS CHANGE.

Richard says EXACTLY.

Smiling, Steve says GIVE ANOTHER
HALF A POINT -
NO, NO.
[bell dings]
[laughing]
OKAY, TWO PREMIERS OF
ONTARIO IN THE LAST HALF
OF THE 20TH CENTURY
CAME FROM LONDON.
[horn honks]
MAC PENNEY.

Mac says JOHN ROBARTS
WAS ONE.

Richard says AND DAVID
PETERSON WAS THE OTHER.

Steve says YOU WERE
TOO SLOW.
YOU EACH GET A POINT.
THAT'S GOOD.
I'M SORRY, YOU'VE GOT TO BE
REALLY QUICK AROUND HERE.

Mac says WELL, ROBARTS.

Steve points to Mac and Richard and says YOU GET A POINT
AND YOU GET A POINT.

Mac says HOW WAS THAT A TORY
DYNASTY QUESTION?

Steve says IT ISN'T.
I SAID THERE WERE FOUR
QUESTIONS ON TORY DYNASTY.

Richard says WE'RE PAST PAGE.

Steve says AND
NOW WE'VE MOVED ON.

Mac says THAT'S
HARDLY FAIR.
THAT DYNASTY
LASTED 40 YEARS.
THERE SHOULD BE
MORE QUESTIONS.
[laughing]
MORE QUESTIONS.

Steve says A COUPLE OF NICKNAMES
FOR YOU HERE, PEOPLE.
WHOSE NICKNAME WAS
OLD MAN ONTARIO?

They all try to answer but Ruth.

Steve says GRAHAM MURRAY.

Graham says LESLIE FROST.

Steve says LESLIE FROST
IS CORRECT.
[bell dings]

Steve says GRAHAM, I'M
GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXTRA
HALF A POINT IF YOU CAN
COME UP WITH LESLIE
FROST'S MIDDLE NAME.

Graham says LESLIE MISCAMPBELL FROST.

Steve says OH MY
GOODNESS GRACIOUS,
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
HE IS CORRECT.
[bell dings]

Mac says MISCAMPBELL?

Steve says MISCAMPBELL, M-I-S.

Mac says I'D GIVE HIM 10

POINTS IF HE CAN SAY WHO
WAS YOUNG MAN ONTARIO.

[laughing]

Steve says YOU, MAC.
YOU WERE YOUNG
MAN ONTARIO.
HERE'S A SECOND IN OUR
QUESTION ABOUT NICKNAMES.
WHO WAS THE CHAIRMAN
OF THE BOARD?

[horn honks]

Richard says JOHN ROBARTS.

Steve says JOHN PARMENTER
ROBARTS IS CORRECT.
THAT'S RIGHT.
AND FOR AN EXTRA
HALF A POINT,
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT
RIDING HE REPRESENTED?

Ruth says LONDON CENTRE.

Steve says CORRECT.
HALF A POINT
FOR RUTH GRIER.

Richard says I THOUGHT I'D GET
TO ANSWER THAT.
[blows a note]

Steve says FOLKS, WE'RE GOING TO
GO THROUGH A SERIES
OF FIRSTS HERE.
HOW AM I DOING ON
TIME INCIDENTALLY?
FEEL LIKE LETTERMAN HERE,
HOW WE DOING ON TIME?
LET ME KNOW.
OKAY, WE'RE
DOING OKAY.
OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
WHO WAS THE FIRST EVER
TO SIT INTO AN ONTARIO
CABINET, FEMALE?

[horn honks]

Mac says BIRCH.

Ruth says MARGARET.

Mac says MARGARET BIRCH.

[bell dings]
Steve says DING DING DING,
GOOD FOR YOU.

Ruth says SCARBOROUGH EAST.

Steve says THAT IS
CORRECT, YEAH.
DO YOU KNOW ANY
MARGARET BIRCH STORIES?
DO YOU REMEMBER
HER AT ALL?

Mac says SHE WAS THE FIRST WOMAN IN
THE ONTARIO CABINET, STEVE.

Mac laughs.

Richard says WELL DONE.

Steve says MINISTER WITHOUT PORTFOLIO,
THAT IS CORRECT.
SECOND QUESTION
ABOUT FIRSTS.
FIRST FEMALE TREASURER.
[horn honks]
MAC PENNEY.

Mac says BETTE STEPHENSON.

Steve says BETTE STEPHENSON
IS CORRECT.
NOW, YOU GOTTA HAVE A
BETTE STEPHENSON STORY?

Mac says SHE WAS THE FIRST
FEMALE TREASURER.
[laughing]

Steve says THERE IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE
ANOMALY ABOUT BETTE STEPHENSON.
SHE WAS THE FIRST FEMALE
TREASURER OF ONTARIO,
BUT - DOT, DOT, DOT, WHO CAN
ANSWER IT FOR A POINT?

Mac says BUT SHE NEVER
INTRODUCED A BUDGET.
SHE BROUGHT IN AN
ECONOMIC STATEMENT.
ONE OF THE FIRST TO DO AN
ECONOMIC STATEMENT
IN PLACE OF A BUDGET.

[bell dings]

Steve says GOOD FOR YOU.

Mac says SHE WAS APPOINTED
BY MILLER.
FORMERLY MINISTER OF
EDUCATION AND
CURRENTLY IS DOING -

Steve says VERY GOOD.
SHE WAS THE TREASURER FROM
MAY OF '85 TO JUNE OF '85
WHEN THE LIBERALS
THEN TOOK OVER.
AND HERE, THIS IS NOT
ONTARIO POLITICS,
BUT BY THE BY, DOES ANYBODY
KNOW WHO THE FIRST
FEMALE FINANCE
MINISTER, TREASURER,
ANYWHERE IN CANADA WAS WHO
DID BRING IN A BUDGET?
DOES ANYBODY KNOW?
AND MY HINT HERE WILL BE,
RUTH, I'M ASHAMED OF YOU.

Ruth says SHE'S FROM SASKATCHEWAN AND I
CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME.

Steve says RIGHT PROVINCE.

Richard says JANICE MACKINNON.

Steve says A POINT FOR RICK
MAHONEY, VERY GOOD.
JANICE MACKINNON,
ROY ROMANOV'S -

Ruth says DON'T I GET A HALF
FOR THE PROVINCE?

Steve says WHAT DO YOU
THINK, SUE?
A HALF FOR GETTING
THE PROVINCE RIGHT?
I'LL LEAVE THAT IN
YOUR DISCRETION.
WHO WAS THE FIRST BLACK
CABINET MINISTER
IN ONTARIO HISTORY?

[horn honks]

Mac says ALEXANDER.

Steve says INCORRECT.

Mac says NO?

[buzzer rings]

Steve says ALVIN CURLING IS CORRECT.

Mac says OH, VERY GOOD.

[buzzer rings]

Steve says DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER
FOR A HALF A POINT
WHAT HIS PORTFOLIO -

[horn honks]

Mac says HOUSING.

Steve says HOUSING IS CORRECT.
YOUR THING IS
NOT FAST ENOUGH.
HALF A POINT TO MAC FOR
KNOWING THAT ALVIN
CURLING WAS THE
MINISTER OF HOUSING.
I GOT A GREAT ALVIN
CURLING STORY FOR YOU HERE.
HE WAS TALKING
ABOUT POWER.
WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT
FELT LIKE TO BE POWERFUL
CABINET MINISTER.
HE WALKED INTO THE MINISTRY
OF HOUSING ONE DAY.
HE GOT OFF THE ELEVATOR.
FIRST DAY ON THE JOB.
HE LOOKS ON THE WALL AND HE
SEES ALL OF THESE PICTURES
OF ALL OF THESE 42 YEARS'
WORTH OF TORY HOUSING
MINISTERS ON THE WALL.
AND HE GETS OFF THE
ELEVATOR AND SAYS, OH,
GREAT, LOOK AT WHAT
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
TO LOOK AT EVERY DAY.
THE NEXT DAY HE
CAME IN TO WORK,
ALL THE PICTURES
WERE GONE.
[laughing]
THAT'S POWER!

Ruth says THEY NEVER DID
THAT FOR ME.

[laughing]

Steve says WHO WAS THE FIRST TO SIT
AT THE CABINET TABLE,
BLACK FEMALE?
[candycane squeaks]
RUTH.

Ruth says ZANANA AKANDE.

[bell dings]

Steve says RUTH, IF
YOU DIDN'T GET THAT,
I'D HAVE BEEN REALLY
DISAPPOINTED IN YOU.
CORRECT.

Ruth says MINISTRY OF
SOCIAL SERVICES.

Steve says CAN YOU TELL ME... I MEAN,
YOU WERE OBVIOUSLY THERE ON
OCTOBER 1ST, 1990
WHEN YOU AND SHE
WERE SWORN ON TOGETHER.
WHAT WAS THAT
LIKE THAT DAY?

Ruth says IT WAS JUST THE MOST
AMAZING EXPERIENCE.
FOR MANY OF US,
WE HAD NEVER THOUGHT
THAT THIS WOULD HAPPEN.
WE WERE IN CONVOCATION
HALL AT U OF T.
IT WAS PACKED TO THE
RAFTERS WITH FAMILIES,
FRIENDS, AND PEOPLE WHO HAD
DEVOTED THEIR LIVES
TO THE CAUSE OF
ELECTING NEW DEMOCRATS
AND IT WAS JUST A
WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE
PREMIER BOB RAE TOLD US ALL
THAT THE DAY AFTER
THE ELECTION,
HE'D HAD A CALL FROM A
FORMER PRIME MINISTER
BRIAN MULRONEY WHO
SAID, ENJOY TODAY.
IT DOESN'T GET
ANY BETTER.
[laughing]
AND HE WAS RIGHT.
[laughing]

Steve says LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
WHO WAS THE FIRST JEWISH
CANADIAN TO SIT
IN CABINET?
[horn honks]
MAC PENNEY.

Mac says LARRY GROSSMAN.

Steve says INCORRECT.
[buzzer rings]
RICHARD MAHONEY.

Richard says HERB GRAY.

Steve says NO, WELL YOU'RE
RIGHT FEDERALLY,
BUT WE'RE
TALKING ONTARIO.
I SAY GIVE HIM
HALF A POINT.

Mac says OH, NO, NO,

Ruth says NO!

Mac says YOU CAN'T
DO THAT.

Steve says OH, THEY'RE IN REVOLT
NOW, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

Mac says HOLY SMOKES.

Steve says SUE KELLY SAYS NO WAY.
YOU'RE RIGHT.

Ruth says IN DAVIS' CABINET.

Steve says NO, IT WASN'T
DAVIS' CABINET.

Mac says WAS IT MONTE KWINTER?

Steve says INCORRECT.
GUYS, GO BACK.
GO BACK.

Richard says BACK FARTHER.

Steve says GO BACK.

Graham says OH, DAVID CROLL.

Richard says DAVID CROLL.

Steve says CORRECT.
DAVID CROLL WAS IN THE
CABINET IN THE '30s,
WELL BEFORE
ALLAN GROSSMAN.
THIS IS THE FORMER
MAYOR OF WINDSOR
WE'RE TALKING,
DAVID CROLL.

Mac says OH, THAT
DAVID CROLL.
SORRY, SORRY.
I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED
WITH A DAVID CROLL
THAT WAS RELATED TO
HARRY NIXON.

Steve says AND IF YOU LIVE IN TORONTO,
YOU MAY KNOW THE DAVID CROLL
APARTMENTS WHICH ARE IN
TORONTO NAMED AFTER HIM.

Richard says MY FATHER WORKED FOR
HIM, PRACTISED LAW
AT THE SAME LAW FIRM.

Steve says HOW ABOUT THAT.

Mac says AND YOU
DIDN'T GET THAT?

Ruth says SO WHY DID THEY
RECHRISTEN ROCHDALE
THE DAVID CROLL
APARTMENTS?

Steve says I'M NOT EVEN
GOING TO GO THERE.
I'VE GOT A GREAT LINE,
BUT I'M NOT EVEN
GOING TO GO THERE.
[laughing]
FIRST ASIAN
CABINET MINISTER?

[horn honks]

Mac says TSUBOUCHI.

Steve says NO.
[buzzer rings]

Ruth says THE LIBERAL CABINET -

[horn honks]
Steve says YES, BUT WRONG.
NO, YOU CAN'T
BUZZ AGAIN.

Richard says ERIN BELCHEE?

Steve says INCORRECT, NEVER
MADE CABINET.

Richard says NEVER
MADE CABINET.

Ruth says THAT'S WHO I
WAS THINKING OF.

Steve says COME ON, WHO'S THE FIRST
ASIAN CABINET MINISTER?

Richard says BOB WONG.

Steve says IS CORRECT.

Graham says BOB WONG THE
ENERGY MINISTER
IN THE PETERSON
GOVERNMENT.

Steve says YOU ARE
CORRECT.
GOOD FOR YOU,
GRAHAM MURRAY.

Richard says VERY GOOD.

Steve says YEAH, IF YOU GUESS WRONG,
YOU DON'T GET TO GUESS
AGAIN, EVERYBODY.
BOB WONG.
TRYING TO REMEMBER NOW,
WHO COULD REMEMBER
WHAT RIDING BOB
WONG REPRESENTED.

Graham says FORT YORK.

Steve says FORT YORK IS CORRECT.
THAT'S RIGHT.

Richard says AS
IT WAS THEN KNOWN.

Steve says AS IT WAS THEN
KNOWN, FORT YORK.
EXTRA HALF A POINT FOR
GRAHAM MURRAY JUST
'CAUSE I'M IN SUCH A
GOOD MOOD.

Mac says OH, MY,
MUST BE CHRISTMAS.

Steve says HERE'S A TOUGH
QUESTION.
WHICH PARTY FORMED THE
FIRST MINORITY
GOVERNMENT IN
ONTARIO HISTORY?

[squeak, squeak]

Steve says RUTH GRIER.

Ruth says TORIES.

Steve says INCORRECT.

Mac says CONSERVATIVE PARTY.

[buzzer rings]

Steve says YOU DIDN'T BUZZ IN AND
YOU'RE WRONG ANYWAY.

Mac says OH, WELL, IN THAT CASE,
NO POINTS OFF FOR ME.

Mac laughs.

Richard says LIBERALS.

Steve says LIBERALS IS
ALSO INCORRECT.
ANYBODY GONNA GET THIS?

Ruth says UNITED FARMERS?

Steve says RUTH GRIER, YOU'VE
ALREADY GUESSED.
YOU CAN'T COME
IN AGAIN.

Ruth says WHY NOT?

Steve says BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
JUDGE, I'M IN
YOUR HANDS.
SHE GOT IT RIGHT.
WANT TO BRING IT UP?

Richard says NO, YOU CAN'T.

Steve says SHE'S ALREADY
GUESSED WRONG.
IT WAS THE UNITED
FARMERS OF ONTARIO,
NOT THE UNIDENTIFIED
FLYING OBJECTS.
IT WAS IN 1919.
HERE'S OUR LAST - IS
THIS OUR LAST QUESTION?
YES.
THIS QUESTION HERE?
OH, YEAH, OKAY.
FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER IN
ONTARIO HISTORY THE DOORS
OF THE LEGISLATURE WERE
LOCKED TO THE PUBLIC
BECAUSE THIS GROUP WAS
DEMONSTRATING OUT FRONT.
[horn honks]
MAC PENNEY.

Mac says DOCTORS.

Steve says DOCTORS IS CORRECT.

Mac says MURRAY ELSTON.

Ruth says EXTRA BILLINGS.

Mac laughs.

Steve says CORRECT.

Mac says BACK IN '85.

Steve says THAT'S RIGHT.
85-86, THAT'S RIGHT.
DOCTORS PROTESTING -

Mac says EVERYONE IN
WHITE LAB COATS.

Ruth says THEY WERE THE FIRST
PEOPLE TO TRY TO BREAK
INTO THE LEGISLATURE.

Steve says DOCTORS?

Ruth says DOCTORS.

Steve says CAN YOU
IMAGINE THAT?

Ruth says BUT IT WAS OVER MONEY.

The men say OOOH.

Ruth says NOT PRIVACY.

Steve says AND THE ISSUE WAS
EXTRA BILLING.
THE RIGHT TO CHARGE BEYOND
WHAT THE GOVERNMENT
AND THE ONTARIO MEDICAL
ASSOCIATION HAD AGREED UPON
AS THE FEE SCHEDULE.
HANG ON, DON'T GET
AHEAD OF OURSELVES HERE.

Ruth says BILL 100.

Mac says BILL
100, THAT'S RIGHT.

Steve says THAT'S NOT
RIGHT ANYWAY.
[laughing]
THAT'S NOT
RIGHT, OKAY.
BUT SINCE YOU RAISED THE
ISSUE OF BILL NUMBERS,
THIS IS A GREAT SECTION
BECAUSE SOMETIMES SOME
BILLS GET SO CONTENTIOUS,
SO CONTROVERSIAL,
SO OUT THERE IN THE
PUBLIC'S CONSCIENTIOUS
THAT WE ACTUALLY REMEMBER
THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR NUMBER.

Mac says OH, YEAH, WE DO?

Mac chuckles.

Steve says SO HERE WE GO.
WELL, YOU PEOPLE AROUND
THE TABLE SHOULD ANYWAY.
IT'S YOUR BUSINESS.
[laughing]
OKAY, HERE IS THE
FIRST QUESTION.
I'M GOING TO GIVE THE
NUMBER OF THE BILL.
YOU HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT
THE ISSUE WAS ALL ABOUT.
READY?
BILL 30.
[horn honks]
YES.

Mac says RENT CONTROL.

Steve says INCORRECT.

Graham says IT WAS THE EXTENSION
FUNDING TO CATHOLIC SCHOOLS.

Steve says GRAHAM MURRAY
IS CORRECT.
OKAY, GRAHAM, FOR SOME
EXTRA BONUS POINTS HERE,
WHO WAS THE MINISTER
OF EDUCATION
WHO INTRODUCED
THE BILL?

Graham says SEAN CONWAY.

Steve says IS CORRECT!

Graham says THE SAGE OF
THE VALLEY.

Steve says THE SAGE OF
THE VALLEY?
IS THAT WHAT THEY CALL
HIM IN EASTERN ONTARIO?

Graham says HE BEGAN HIS POLITICAL
CAREER IN 1975 BY PUTTING
HIS ACADEMIC
CAREER ON HOLD.
HE'D BEEN PLANNING TO GO TO
THE UNIVERSITY OF LONDON,
GRADUATED FROM QUEEN'S BUT
NEVER GOT TO THE UNIVERSITY
OF LONDON BECAUSE
HE WAS AN MPP.

Steve says AND
WHERE IS HE TODAY?

Graham says HE'S STILL AN MPP.

Steve says HE'S STILL
AN MPP.

Graham says HE WAS THE
FIRST MPP TO BECOME
A 25-YEAR VETERAN
OF QUEEN'S PARK
BEFORE HE WAS EVEN
50 YEARS OLD.

Richard says RIGHT, HE
WAS ELECTED FIRST
AT THE AGE OF 22.

Steve says YOU'RE GOING TO
CHALLENGE IT BECAUSE?
BECAUSE THE TORIES
INTRODUCED SOME COCKAMAMIE
BILL THAT NEVER
WENT ANYWHERE.

Mac says NO, THE BILL'S BEEN
INTRODUCED - I THINK THE BILL
WHICH BECAME BILL 30
WAS INTRODUCED BY
LARRY GROSSMAN AS
MINISTER OF EDUCATION.
SHORT-LIVED
MILLER CABINET.

Steve says I THINK YOU'RE TECHNICALLY
CORRECT THAT WAS THE FIRST
EDUCATION FULL FUNDING BILL
INTRODUCED BUT IT WASN'T
CALLED BILL 30, MAC.
MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

Richard says YEAH,
NICELY DONE.

Steve says THE JUDGES ARE -

Mac says POSSESSION OF
THE SITTING.
POSSESSION OF
THE SITTING.

Steve says THE JUDGES ARE
BLOWING YOU OFF.
FORGET ABOUT IT.

Mac says LOTS OF BILL 30's.

Steve says HERE'S THE NEXT NUMBER.
BILL - SHOULDN'T YOU HAVE
YOUR HAND ON YOUR DUCK?
[laughing]
BILL -
[laughing]
I'M SORRY.
[horn honks]
[squeaks]
[laughing]
[horn honks]

Mac says THIS IS A FAMILY
SHOW, PAIKIN.

[laughing]
Steve says BILL 94.
[horn honks]
YES.

Mac says RENT CONTROL.

[laughing]

Graham says AT LEAST THE
ANSWER WASN'T TONY CLEMENT.
[laughing]

Richard says QUEEN VICTORIA.

Steve says RENT CONTROLS
IS WRONG.
I THOUGHT BILL 94 WOULD
GET YOU ALL RINGING
IN IMMEDIATELY.

Ruth says OH, EQUAL
RIGHTS.

Steve says INCORRECT, RUTH
GRIER.
OKAY, WHO WANTS
A LIFE LINE?

Richard says I DO.

Steve says NONE OF YOU
REMEMBER BILL 94?

Graham says I DO NOT.

Steve says COME ON.

Mac says EXTRA BILLING.

Steve says YES!

Mac says HEY, HALF
POINT FOR ME.

The caption changes to "No extra billing for doctors."

Steve says BILL 94, HALF A
POINT FOR YOU.
[bell dings]

Ruth says YOU JUST AGREED IT WAS BILL
100 THAT HAD THE RIOT.
[laughing]

Mac says I WAS JUST
HUMOURING YOU.

Steve says BILL 94, YEAH, PART OF THE
ACCORD THAT THE LIBERALS
AND THE NDP'S
SIGNED IN 1985.
OKAY, HOW AM I
DOING ON TIME?

A male member of the staff says NINE MINUTES.

Steve says NINE MINUTES LEFT.
OKAY, HERE WE GO.
NOW THIS ONE, OH
MY GOODNESS, GUYS,
YOU'VE GOT TO GET THIS
ONE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW,
WE'RE JUST GOING TO FOLD
UP SHOP AND GO HOME HERE.

Mac says GOOD
[laughing]

Steve says BILL 160.
YES.

Richard says SAME SEX
BENEFITS.

Steve says INCORRECT, BUT CLOSE.
THAT WAS 165.
WHAT'S 160?

Richard says I HAVE ANOTHER
ANSWER BUT I CAN'T GIVE IT.

Steve laughs and says YOU CAN'T GIVE IT.

Mac says BILL 160.

Steve says BILL 160.

Mac says THE
AMALGAMATION ACT.

Steve says IS INCORRECT.

Richard says NO.

Mac says DAMN.

Steve says BILL 160.

Ruth says BUT THERE'S BEEN BILLS
IN EVERY SESSION.

Steve says NO, NO, BUT BILL
160 THAT GOT HUGE.

Graham says BILL 160 WAS
THE OMNIBUS BILL.

Ruth says NO, 26.

Richard says CAN
I SAY NOT FOR A POINT?
IT WAS THE EDUCATION -

Steve says RICHARD MAHONEY
IS CORRECT.
RICHARD MAHONEY
IS CORRECT.

[bell dings]

Richard says I'M ASHAMED FOR
NOT KNOWING THAT.

The caption changes to "A: Teachers."

Steve says HOW CAN WE FORGET.
HOW MANY, 120,000 TEACHERS
GOING ON STRIKE TO PROTEST
THE ONTARIO CONSERVATIVE
GOVERNMENT'S REFORMS?

Mac says DID THEY FORCE THE
LEGISLATURE DOORS
TO BE LOCKED?
YOU SEE, IF THEY HAD
DONE DRAMATIC LIKE THAT,
WE WOULD HAVE
REMEMBERED.

Ruth says WE REMEMBER THE
SUBSTANCE OF THE ISSUE,
NOT THE NUMBER
OF THE BILL.

Richard says SHE SAYS RATHER
DEFENSIVELY.
[laughing]

Steve says OKAY, RUTH, JUST BECAUSE
I'M IN SUCH A GOOD MOOD
TODAY, WHY AND YOU GIVE
US A BILL NUMBER THAT YOU
INTRODUCED AS ENVIRONMENT
MINISTER OR HEALTH MINISTER
AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN
COME UP WITH THE ISSUE.

Ruth says BILL NO. 1, 1990.

Steve says BILL NO.
1.

[horn honks]

Mac says ENVIRONMENTAL
PROTECTION ACT.

Ruth says NO, I -

Mac says CLEAN WATER ACT.

Mac laughs.

Ruth says YOU'RE
GETTING THERE.
THE BILL THAT CREATES THE
WATERFRONT RE-GENERATION
TRUST FOR THE
WATERFRONT OF TORONTO.
IT WAS BILL NO. 1
OF OUR GOVERNMENT
AND I INTRODUCED IT.
IT WAS 10 YEARS
AGO THIS MONTH.

Steve says THAT WAS THE FIRST BILL
OF THE NDP GOVERNMENT.

Ruth says IT WAS INDEED.

Richard says I DID
NOT KNOW THAT.

Steve says I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY,
IF JOHNNY WERE HERE,
HE WOULD SAY.
I DID NOT KNOW THAT.

Mac says THAT WAS THE DAVID
CROMBIE SUPERANNUATION ACT.
[laughing]

Steve says VERY NICE.
DAVID CROMBIE
WATCHES THIS SHOW
AND I'M SURPRISED
AT YOU.
HE'S A GREAT TINY
PERFECT TORY,
SO YOU LEAVE HIM ALONE.
ONE MORE IN TERMS
OF BILL NUMBERS HERE.
BILL 26.
[candycane squeaks]
YES.

Ruth says THE OMNIBUS BILL THAT THE
MILLER - THAT THE HARRIS
GOVERNMENT INTRODUCED.

Steve says EASY FOR
YOU TO SAY.
YES, IT WAS.
THE TORY OMNIBUS BILL
IS CORRECT AND - YES?

Mac says SHE SAID IT WAS
THE OM - WHAT WAS IT?

Ruth says OMNIBUS.

Mac says OH, I THOUGHT YOU
SAID OMINOUS BILL.

Ruth says IT WAS BOTH.

[laughing]

Mac says NO, NO, NO.
I'M PRETTY SURE
SHE SAID OMINOUS.

Graham says IT WAS THE SPEAKER OF
THE DAY THAT CALLED
IT THE OMINOUS BILL.

Mac says OH, WAS IT?
WHO WAS THE
SPEAKER OF THE DAY?

[horn honks]

Ruth says MCLEAN.

Mac says MCLEAN, WHAT
HAPPENED TO HIM?

[laughing]

Steve says I THINK IT WAS ALSO CALLED
THE JUMBO BILL AND THE
BULLY BILL AND YOU WANT
TO JUST REMIND EVERYBODY,
YEAH, THE LIBERALS CALLED
IT THE BULLY BILL.
DO YOU WANT TO
REMIND EVERYBODY -

Ruth says IT WAS A MASSIVE BILL THAT
AMENDED DOZENS OF PREVIOUS
PIECES OF LEGISLATION
ALL ROLLED INTO
ONE PIECE OF
LEGISLATION.

Richard says IT ALLOWED YOU TO DO BY
REGULATION THAT WHICH
YOU WEREN'T PREVIOUSLY
AUTHORIZED TO DO
THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY
HAD TO HAVE AN ACT
OF LEGISLATURE GAVE SWEEPING
POWERS TO CABINET.

Graham says AMONG OTHER THINGS, IT
INTRODUCED THE HEALTH
SERVICES RESTRUCTURING
COMMISSION,
THE AEGIS OF WHICH THE
HOSPITAL RESTRUCTURING
IN ONTARIO TOOK PLACE.

Ruth says AS WELL AS HEALTH
PRIVACY ISSUES
WHICH WERE THE MOST
CONTENTIOUS PARTS OF IT.

Mac says THE BILL THAT INTRODUCED A
LOT OF LEGISLATION WHICH
RESULTED IN THE SECOND
MAJORITY GOVERNMENT
OF THE TORIES -

Richard says HE SAID RATHER
ARROGANTLY.

[laughing]

Mac says A GREAT,
GREAT START.
IT WAS A GREAT START.

Steve says IS THAT HOW IT
ALL CAME TOGETHER?

Richard says BLAH,
BLAH, BLAH.

Mac says THE BEGINNING OF THE
BEGINNING OF THE BEGINNING.

Steve says OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.
BOY, I'VE GOTTA
TELL YOU,
THIS IS A VERY
TOUGH QUESTION.

Mac says BILL 6.

Steve laughs and says WE'RE FINISHED WITH
BILL NUMBERS, MAC.
MOVING RIGHT
ALONG AS THEY SAY.
THIS IS A TOUGH
QUESTION.
WHO WAS THE PREMIER OF
ONTARIO WHEN THE
RETAIL SALES TAX
WAS INTRODUCED?
[horn honks]
YES.

Mac says WAS INTRODUCED?
WHOA, BABY!

Steve says HE'S A LITTLE
FAST ON THE HORN.
YOU'RE TOO LATE.
IT WAS NOT
QUEEN VICTORIA.

Graham says IT WAS FROST.

Steve says LESLIE FROST
IS CORRECT, GRAHAM MURRAY.

Mac says VERY
GOOD, GRAHAM.

Richard says VERY IMPRESSIVE.

Steve says NOW DOES ANYBODY WANT TO
TAKE A GUESS FOR
A BONUS POINT HERE?
WHAT IS THE RST TODAY?
RETAIL SALES TAX TODAY
IS 7 PERCENT.

Richard says EIGHT.

Steve says 8 PERCENT.

Ruth says 8 PERCENT, YES.
WHICH PROVINCIAL PREMIER
RECOMMENDED IN THE MIDDLE
OF AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN
THAT IT BE RAISED?
[laughing]

Richard says RAISED?!

Steve says NO, LOWERED.

Ruth says SORRY.

Richard says DAVID PETERSON.
DO I GET A
POINT FOR THAT?

[laughing]

Steve says WHICH NDP PARTY
THAT RUTH GRIER
WAS A MEMBER OF WON AN
ELECTION BECAUSE
OF A VERY UNUSUAL -

Graham says AND WHEN THAT SUGGESTION
WAS MADE IN THE ELECTION
THAT THE SALES
TAX BE REDUCED,
THE AFOREMENTIONED
BOB NIXON SAID,
YOU'VE GOT TO BE OUT OF
YOUR EXPLETIVE DELETED MIND.

Steve says I THINK THE EXPLETIVE
DELETED STARTED WITH
AN 'F' AS WELL.

Graham says I BELIEVE SO.

Steve says I DON'T THINK THAT WAS
IT BUT THAT WAS CLOSE.

Ruth says FROSTY.

[laughing]

Mac says HE SAID THAT FROM THE
CONFINES OF EARL'S SHELL
I BELIEVE.

Steve says EARL'S SHELL STATION,
THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S RIGHT.
DID I ASK THE SUPPLEMENTARY
HERE WHICH WAS,
IT'S 8 PERCENT TODAY,
WHAT WAS IT THEN?

Ruth says FIVE.

Steve says NO.

Mac says THREE.

Steve says YES.
YOU'RE GUESSING,
WEREN'T YOU.

Mac says NO.

Steve says HOW DID
YOU KNOW THAT?

Ruth says HE'S THAT OLD.

Mac says I WAS THERE.
I WAS THERE WHEN
THEY READ THE BUDGET.

Steve says OKAY, VERY GOOD.

Richard says OLD MAN ONTARIO,
RIGHT DOWN THERE.

Mac says THAT'S A
POINT FOR ME.

Steve browses through the pages and says OKAY, WHERE AM
I HERE.
OH, THIS IS A
TOUGH QUESTION.
WHAT WAS THE LAST
ELECTION WHEN BRITISH
SUBJECTS COULD
VOTE IN ONTARIO?
[horn honks]

Mac says 19... 77.

Steve says NO.
[laughing]
YES, GRAHAM.

Graham says I THINK IT WAS 1981.

Steve says I THINK
THAT'S ALSO INCORRECT.

Mac says I THINK -
OH, SORRY

[horn honks]

Ruth says 1985.

[bell dings]

Steve says CAN I SEE AN ANSWER
ON THE SCREEN THERE?
I THINK RUTH GRIER
GOT IT, 1985.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
CORRECT.

Mac says THAT WAS A GUESS.

Ruth says WE IRISH KNOW WHEN
BRITISH SUBJECTS CAN -

[laughing]

Steve says YOU KNOW WHAT, I LOST PAGE
4 OF MY QUESTIONS HERE.
WHERE ARE THE REST OF
THE QUESTIONS HERE?
I GOT TWO PAGE
2'S AND NO PAGE 4.

Mac says LET'S
DO PAGE 2 AGAIN.

Steve says OH, YEAH,
THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S RIGHT.
OKAY, YOU WON'T BELIEVE
THIS BUT THERE WERE TWO
MPPs WHO ACTUALLY PLAYED
IN THE NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE.
WHO WERE THEY?
[tapping]
YES.

Richard says GARY CARR.

Steve says GARY CARR IS CORRECT.

Graham says AND SYL APPS.

Steve says SYL APPS
IS CORRECT.
GREAT MAPLE LEAF WHO
SAT FOR KINGSTON.

Steve says NOW FOR BONUS POINTS,
FOR WHOM DID THEY PLAY?

Graham says SYL WAS A MAPLE LEAF.

Steve says SYL APPS WAS A CAPTAIN
OF THE TORONTO MAPLES LEAFS.
GOOD FOR YOU, AND ALSO A
PROVINCIAL CABINET
MINISTER FOR BILL DAVIS.

Graham says YES, THE CORRECTIONS
MINISTER, THAT'S RIGHT.

Steve says HE WAS INDEED.

Richard says AND GARY.

Steve says GARY CARR PLAYED TWO
EXHIBITION GAMES FOR THE?

Richard says FLYERS?

Steve says NO.

Richard says RANGERS.

Steve says YOU DON'T LOSE POINTS FOR
THIS BECAUSE THIS IS BONUS.

Mac says HAWKS.

Steve says NO, IT WAS AN
ORIGINAL SIX TEAM.

Graham says BOSTON.

Steve says BOSTON BRUINS
IS CORRECT.
AN EXTRA POINT FOR GRAHAM
MURRAY FOR KNOWING THAT
GARY CARR WAS A GOALTENDER
FOR THE BOSTON BRUINS.

Richard says AS A LEAFS FAN,
I'M A LITTLE ASHAMED
ABOUT NOT GETTING THE
SYL APPS ONE FIRST.

Steve says SORRY?

Ruth says WHICH MPP PLAYED
FOR THE CFL?

Steve says WHICH MPP
PLAYED IN THE CFL?
BOY, I DON'T KNOW THAT.
WHO IS THAT?

Ruth says TIM REID.
LIBERAL.

Steve says I DON'T
REMEMBER THAT.

Ruth says SCARBOROUGH EAST.

Mac says THAT'S RIGHT.

Steve says WHICH FORMER PREMIER OF
ALBERTA PLAYED FOR
THE EDMONTON ESKIMOS?

Richard says DON GETTY.

Steve says DON GETTY AND?
HOW ABOUT THAT,
THERE'S A SECOND ONE.
TWO ALBERTA PREMIERS PLAYED
FOR THE EDMONTON ESKIMOS.
DON GETTY WOULD
BE ONE.
THE OTHER ONE
WOULD BE?

Ruth says LOUGHEED.

Steve says PETER LOUGHEED.
AS A SPORTS ILLITERATE,
I'M VERY PROUD OF MYSELF.

Ruth laughs.

Steve says SO BONUS POINTS, WHILE SUE
KELLY IS TALLYING UP HERE.
THERE ARE VERY FEW MPPs
WHO EVER PLAYED IN THE NHL,
BUT THERE ARE MORE MPs.

Richard says YES.

Steve says GO AHEAD.

Richard says RED KELLY.

Steve says RED KELLY IS ONE.

Richard says CHARLIE CONACHER
WAS ONCE AN MP.

Steve says I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

Richard says LIONEL CONACHER.

Steve says LIONEL CONACHER.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF
YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
IS HE RIGHT ABOUT THAT?
YES?
GO AHEAD.
COME ON, KEEP GOING.
WE HAVE A HOCKEY
PLAYER IN THE SENATE.
THERE YOU GO,
FRANK MAHOVLICH.
THERE'S MORE.

Ruth says THERE'S
SOMEBODY FROM WINDSOR.

Steve says I'LL TELL YOU A STORY.
GEORGE DREW CAME TO HIS
BUDDY CONN SMYTHE AND
HE SAID, CONN, I NEED THIS GUY
TO RUN FOR ME IN WATERLOO
SOUTH IN THE '51
BY-ELECTION.
HE WON'T RUN WHEN
I ASK HIM TO.
YOU TELL HIM TO RUN.

Richard says TEEDER KENNEDY?

Steve says INCORRECT.

Mac says DAVY KEON.

Steve says NOT CORRECT, NO.
[laughing]

Steve says AND SO CONN SMYTHE
WENT TO WATERLOO,
ALONG WITH GEORGE DREW,
AND SAID, HOWIE MEEKER,
YOU ARE RUNNING IN
THIS BY-ELECTION.

Ruth says HOWIE MEEKER.

Steve says HOWIE MEEKER WAS AN MP FOR
ONE TERM AND THAT WAS IT.
OKAY, SUE KELLY, GIVE
ME THE NUMBERS HERE.
READ THEM TO ME.
GRAHAM MURRAY
GOT 11 POINTS.

Mac says MY GOD.

Steve says KEEP GOING.
RICHARD MAHONEY
GOT 6.
OH, MY GOD, THE
DEFENDING CHAMPION.
RUTH GRIER GOT 3.

Ruth says AND THERE WERE
TWO HANGING CHADS.
[laughing]

Steve says AND MAC PENNEY
GOT MINUS 5.

Mac says OH, MY GOD!
[tooting, squeaking]

Steve says I THINK THERE'S A LESSON
HERE AND THAT IS WHEN
IN DOUBT, DON'T ANSWER QUEEN
VICTORIA FOR EVERY ANSWER.
[laughing]
GRAHAM MURRAY, IN OUR
LAST 30 SECONDS HERE,
WOULD YOU CARE TO GIVE US,
THE REST OF US A TRIVIA
QUESTION TO SEND US OFF TO
OUR CHRISTMAS VACATIONS?

Graham says YES.

Steve says GO AHEAD.
WHICH PREMIER, WHICH PARTY,
CAME CLOSEST TO GETTING
50 PER CENT OF THE VOTE
IN THE POST-WAR ERA
IN A PROVINCIAL ELECTION?

Steve says IT'S GOTTA BE FROST.
IT'S GOTTA BE FROST.

Richard says DAVID
PETERSON 1987.

Steve says NO, PETERSON GOT
47.5 PERCENT.

Ruth says BILL DAVIS.

Steve says NO, NEVER DAVIS.

Mac says I THINK IT WAS
HARRIS ACTUALLY.

Steve says NO, LESLIE FROST.
NO, NO, JOHN
ROBARTS, '63.

Graham says YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY
RIGHT.

Steve says THANK
YOU VERY MUCH.

Graham says 48.9 PERCENT AND THAT'S THE
CLOSEST ANY GOVERNMENT
EVER GOT TO 50 PERCENT
PLUS ONE OF THE VOTE
IN ONTARIO IN THE
POST-WAR ERA.

Steve says HARRIS GOT CLOSE.
BACK TO BACK 45's, SO
THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

Graham says PRETTY CLOSE BUT NOT QUITE
AS GOOD AS Mr. ROBARTS.

Steve says GRAHAM MURRAY,
RESIDENT PSEPHOLOGIST,
THANKS SO MUCH
FOR BEING HERE.
TO THE THREE OF
YOU, HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
CONGRATULATIONS RUTH GRIER
ON YOUR 9TH GRANDCHILD
THIS PAST WEEK.

[horn honks]
They all make noise.

Steve concludes GOOD FOR YOU.
THAT'S OUR PROGRAM
FOR THIS WEEK.
I'M ALEX TREB-
STEVE PAIKIN.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYBODY,
SEE YOU IN 2001.
SO LONG.

[laughing]

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Researcher, Peter Harris.

Editor, Dean Henry.

A production of TVOntario. Copyright 2000, The Ontario Educational Communications Authority.

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