Transcript: Show 23 - Linwood Barclay | Apr 23, 2000

(Rhythmic string and wind music plays)

In animation, a word in pink slides by against a gray background as hands paint strokes using paintbrushes, play a piano, and touch as in a ballet performance.

The title of the show reads “Dialogue. With Linwood Barclay, Author.”

Richard Ouzounian appears facing the screen. He's in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short side-parted blond hair. He's wearing rounded glasses, a gray suit, gray shirt, and matching striped gray tie.

He says WELCOME TO DIALOGUE.
I'M RICHARD OUZOUNIAN.
MY DAY BEGINS WELL IF I HAVE
A CUP OF BLACK COFFEE AND
THE TORONTO STAR
SO I CAN
READ MY NEXT GUEST'S COLUMN.
I WAS DELIGHTED
TO FIND OUT THAT,
IN ADDITION TO ALL
OF HIS GREAT HUMOUR,
HE HAS WRITTEN A WONDERFUL
MEMOIR CALLED
LAST RESORT,

Richard briefly shows the book, with a white cover featuring a cartoonish drawing of a boy, and continues
AND HE'S HERE TO TALK
TO ME ABOUT IT TODAY.
THIS
DIALOGUE
IS WITH
LINWOOD BARCLAY.

Linwood is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short wavy gray hair. He’s wearing a gray suit, and a light gray shirt.

Richard continues LINWOOD, FIRST OF ALL, THANK
YOU FOR ALL THE MORNINGS
YOU'VE PUT A SMILE ON
MY FACE GETTING UP.

Linwood says MY PLEASURE.

Richard says DO YOU OFTEN
THINK OF THAT?
AFTER YOU WRITE THE
COLUMN AND YOU WAKE UP
THE NEXT MORNING AND YOUR
KIDS ARE BUSTLING AROUND
YOUR OWN HOUSE, DO YOU
WONDER HOW PEOPLE
ARE READING YOU
AROUND THE GTA?

Linwood says SOMETIMES I WONDER IF
THE ONLY PAPER THAT
HAS MY COLUMN IN IT IS THE
ONE THAT COMES TO THE DOOR.
I GET IT.
MAYBE THEY'VE JUST MADE
UP ON
TORONTO STAR.
IT'S GOT MY
COLUMN IN IT.
IT COMES TO MY HOUSE AND I
HAVE A LOOK AT IT
AND SEE THAT IT'S THERE AND
I THINK, WELL, THAT'S NICE.
MINE'S GOT IT.
IF THE OTHER ONES HAVE
IT, I'M NOT REALLY SURE.
I DON'T REALLY THINK
ABOUT THAT TOO MUCH.
IT'S A NICE THOUGHT TO THINK
THAT PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE
DOING IT, BUT SOMETIMES
I CAN'T BELIEVE
IT'S REALLY OUT THERE.
I STILL THINK
IT'S JUST MY COPY.

Richard says WELL, BECAUSE THE STUFF
YOU WRITE IS VERY PERSONAL,
NOT IN AN EMBARRASSING
WAY, ALTHOUGH I GUESS
EMBARRASSING SOMETIMES
BECAUSE YOU LIFT THE LID
ON EVERYTHING THAT YOUR
WIFE AND KIDS ARE DOING.
I FEEL I KNOW THEM.
I'VE GROWN UP
WITH THEM NOW.
DO THEY EVER
COMPLAIN?

A caption appears on screen. It reads “Linwood Barclay, Author.”

Linwood says WELL, THEY MIGHT IF
THEY EVER READ IT.
[laughing]
I'LL SAY TO MY SON,
I WROTE TODAY ABOUT YOUR
BECOMING 16 OR GETTING
YOUR LEARNER'S PERMIT OR
WHATEVER, AND HE'LL SAY,
OH, YEAH, OKAY, BUT HE
WOULD NEVER READ IT
BECAUSE HE WOULD SAY TO ME,
WELL, WHY WOULD I READ IT?
HE SAYS, I KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED.

Richard says RIGHT.

Linwood says AND SO, MY KIDS
ALMOST NEVER READ IT,
AND MY WIFE DOES.
[laughing]

Richard says THE PAUSE THERE.

Linwood says SHE DOES, BUT ACTUALLY I
TRY IN MY COLUMNS THAT
IF ANYONE'S GOING TO
LOOK LIKE A FOOL
THAT IT'S GOING
TO BE ME,
AND THAT'S NOT JUST TO
PROTECT ME FROM HARM FROM
THE MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY,
BUT IT'S ALSO PRETTY MUCH
A REFLECTION OF REALITY.
[laughing]
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO'S
GOING TO BE STUPID,
IT WILL BE ME.

Richard says DO YOU OFTEN FEEL THAT
THAT'S KIND OF, IN A WAY,
A BIT OF A TIME WARP?
YOU'RE PLAYING BACK TO
THE 1950s WHEN DAD
WAS LOVEABLE
BUT A SCHLEP?

Linwood says WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M GLAD, AT LEAST,
IF I'M LOVEABLE.
BACK IN THOSE KINDS
OF THINGS, I MEAN,
I DON'T REMEMBER WARD CLEAVER
MAKING THAT MANY MISTAKES.
HE MADE A FEW,
BUT IN THE END,
HE MANAGED TO
MAINTAIN HIS DIGNITY.
DIGNITY IS SOMETIMES A
LITTLE MORE ELUSIVE FOR ME.

Richard says FOR ALL OF US.
IT'S HARD IF YOU'RE
CAR POOLING AND SHOPPING
AND RUNNING AROUND AND
DOING ALL OF THAT.
I MEAN, HE NEVER HAD
TO DO ANYTHING, DID HE?
HE WORKED AT THIS NEBULOUS
OFFICE, CAME HOME,
HAD A PIPE, MAYBE
A CHANGE FROM
A SUIT JACKET TO
A CARDIGAN.

Linwood says HE HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
SUIT TO WEAR AROUND THE HOUSE
OR WHEN HE WENT OUT AND
WORKED ON THE LAWNMOWER,
WHICH JACKET
WILL I PUT ON?
I MEAN, WHO LIVED
LIKE THAT?
BUT THEY DID.

Richard says WELL, THE REASON I
STARTED WITH THE '50s
IS YOUR MEMOIR IS
WONDERFUL.
IT'S ABOUT YOUR YOUTH
AND HOW YOU GREW UP
IN ACTUALLY A TRAILER
PARK AND COTTAGE PLACE,
AND YOU SAY THAT IT ALL
BEGAN WITH DESI AND LUCY.

Linwood says I THINK IT GOES BACK
SOMEWHAT TO THAT.
WE DIDN'T MOVE TO THIS PARK
OR THIS PLACE UNTIL 1966,
BUT I KNOW THAT MY MOM WAS
ALWAYS A FAN OF THE -
FIRST THERE WAS A BOOK AND
THEN THERE WAS A MOVIE,
THE LONG, LONG TRAILER.
WITH LUCILLE BALL
AND DESI ARNAZ,
NOT PLAYING THEIR CHARACTERS
FROM THE TV SHOW,
AND THEIR ADVENTURES IN
HAVING THIS - HOOKING UP
THIS HUGE TRAILER TO THE
BACK OF THEIR CAR AND
DRIVING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND ALTHOUGH THAT MOVIE WAS
PLAYED FOR LAUGHS AND IT WAS
JUST PURE PANDEMONIUM AND
CHAOS AS THEY DROVE AROUND
THE SIDE OF CLIFFS
AND SO FORTH,
I THINK MY MOM SAW IN THAT
HER DREAM OF BEING ABLE
TO HITCH A TRAILER TO
THE BACK OF YOUR CAR
AND GO WHEREVER YOU WANT.
SO THOSE WERE ALWAYS THE
KINDS OF VACATIONS THAT
WE HAD WHEN I WAS A KID.
WE WOULD DRIVE.
WE'D DRIVE ALL OVER THE
PLACE PULLING THIS TRAILER
BEHIND OUR FORD
STATION WAGON,
AND IT ALWAYS SEEMED LIKE
THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO DRIVE
AS MANY MILES AS POSSIBLE
BETWEEN DAWN AND SUNDOWN,
AND SO WHETHER WE WERE GOING
THROUGH CHICAGO OR NEW ENGLAND
OR WHATEVER IT WAS.
WHEN I WAS LITTLE, ALL OF
OUR HOLIDAYS LOOKED PRETTY
MUCH THE SAME, WHICH WAS
KIND OF RED VINYL AND CHROME
WINDOW HANDLES BECAUSE
I COULDN'T REALLY
SEE OVER THE WINDOWS.
SO IT WAS LIKE EIGHT
HOURS IN A BACK SEAT.

Richard says RIGHT.

Linwood says BUT THEY JUST
LOVED TO TRAVEL,
TO JUST SEE THE WORLD,
AND SPEND AS LITTLE TIME
ACTUALLY WALKING AROUND
IN IT, IT SEEMED.

Richard says RIGHT, JUST TO GO
THROUGH IT QUICKLY
SO IT COULDN'T HIT YOU.

Linwood says JUST WHIZ PAST IT.
JUST GO THROUGH
IT AS FAST AS YOU CAN
AND THEN YOU CAN SAY,
WE SAW THE WAWA GOOSE,
AND WE SAW ANNE OF
GREEN GABLE'S HOUSE.
WE'VE SEEN IT ALL AT
ABOUT 60 MILES AN HOUR.

Richard says RIGHT.
THEN HOW DID IT GO FROM THAT
TO THE FAMOUS - AND I LOVE
THIS, THIS IS THE
ESSENCE OF YOUR MOTHER.
YOU BOUGHT A 60-FOOT TRAILER
BUT BECAUSE ACTUALLY
THREE FEET OF IT WAS
THE HOOKING UP RIG,
YOUR MOTHER HAD TO TELL
EVERYONE IT WAS 57 FEET.

Linwood says THAT'S RIGHT.
MY DAD HAD BEEN A
COMMERCIAL ARTIST
AND WORKED IN TORONTO.
BUT THAT KIND OF
WORK THAT HE WAS IN,
BECAUSE HE WAS FADING
AND SO MY PARENTS
DECIDED TO BUY THIS CAMP.

Richard says GREEN ACRES.

Linwood says GREEN ACRES.

Richard says UNFORTUNATE NAME.

Linwood says UNFORTUNATE NAME.
EVERYONE WHO CAME INTO OUR
CAMP TO EITHER RENT
A COTTAGE OR BOOK A
TRAILER SPACE OR WHATEVER,
OR RENT A BOOK,
EVERYBODY WOULD SAY,
SO WHERE'S
ARNOLD THE PIG?
WELL, WE HAVEN'T HEARD
THAT ONE SINCE YESTERDAY.

Richard says YESTERDAY.
[laughing]

Linwood says BUT IT HAD BEEN GREEN ACRES
LONG BEFORE THE TV SHOW AND
WHEN MY PARENTS WERE LOOKING
FOR KIND OF ANOTHER WAY
TO MAKE MONEY, MY MOM WANTED TO
FIND A WAY TO EMBRACE THIS
LOVE THAT SHE'D ALWAYS HAD,
THIS PASSION SHE HAD
FOR HER WAY OF
VACATIONING.
SO THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A
TRAILER PARK AND WHAT
THEY FOUND, UP IN THE
KAWARTHAS NEAR BOBCAYGEON,
WAS A PLACE THAT
HAD TRAILERS,
PLUS SEVEN COTTAGES.
THEY BOUGHT THIS PLACE
AND THINGS CHANGED.

Richard says AND EVEN WHEN
YOU WERE YOUNGER,
YOU WOUND UP HAVING TO DO
A FAIR BIT OF STUFF
AROUND THE PLACE.

Linwood says MM-HMM.

Richard says AND WE'LL GET TO WHAT
HAPPENS A LITTLE BIT LATER ON,
BUT AS A YOUTH, WHAT'S
INTERESTING ABOUT
THIS WHOLE MEMOIR, IS THAT
IT ALTERNATES BETWEEN BEING
REALLY BLISSFUL AND
CHARMING, AND GEE,
LIFE WAS GREAT BACK THEN,
AND REAL THREADS OF
THE DARKER SIDE OF REALITY,
AS HAPPENS IN REAL LIFE,
KEEP WEAVING THROUGH.

Linwood says YUP.

Richard says BUT FOR THE BLISSFUL PARTS,
WAS IT AS BLISSFUL BEING
A KID AT THE EARLY YEARS OF
YOUR TEENS IN THE LATE '60s?

Linwood says YEAH, IT WAS GREAT.
WE MOVED FROM A
SUBURB OF TORONTO,
FROM WHAT WAS THEN CLARKSON
AND NOW MISSISSAUGA,
AND MOVED TO THIS 10-ACRE
PROPERTY WITH THIS HUGE WOODS
AND LIVING ON A LAKE,
AND SO - FIRST OF ALL,
WE HAD ALL THIS FOREST
FOR HIDE AND SEEK.
IT WAS LIKE HAVING THE
BEST BACKYARD ANYWHERE.

Richard says RIGHT.

Linwood says AND SO WE'D HIDE IN THE
WOODS AND WE'D PLAY OUT THERE.
WE'D GO OUT IN BOATS OR WE'D
SWIM AND THERE WAS JUST
SO MUCH - IT WAS SO NEAT.
IT WAS A GREAT
FUN PLACE TO BE.
AND BECAUSE OF THE
NATURE OF THE BUSINESS,
THERE WERE ALWAYS
NEW KIDS COMING UP.
SO I WAS ALWAYS
GETTING NEW FRIENDS,
AND SO I MIGHT HAVE GREAT
FRIENDS ONE WEEK AND THEN
I WOULD SEE THEM AGAIN 52
WEEKS LATER WHEN THEIR
PARENTS CAME UP,
BECAUSE THEY'D COME UP
THE SAME TIME
EVERY YEAR.
GREAT FUN.

Richard says NEW GIRLS.

Linwood says AND GIRLS.
IT WAS JUST PERFECT.

Richard says THE PERFECT MALE SETUP
AT THAT AGE, RIGHT?

Linwood says YEAH.

Richard says NO COMMITMENT.
THEY LEFT
YOU.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE
TO LEAVE THEM.

Linwood says MY MOM HAD A RESERVATION
CHART WHICH WAS MADE OUT
OF THREE LARGE PIECES OF ART
BOARD THAT OPENED UP AND
THERE WAS A GRID WITH THE
DATES ACROSS THE TOP AND
THE COTTAGES DOWN THE SIDE.
AND MY BUDDIES AND I,
THE ONES WHO DID COME UP
REGULARLY, WE WOULD SORT
OF LOOK AT IT AND SAY,
OKAY, COTTAGE NO. 5,
THE WEEK OF JULY 5TH,
THE SO AND SO'S
FROM OHIO ARE UP.
THEY'VE GOT A
DAUGHTER.
SHE'S 14.
THAT'S GREAT.
THEN SHE LEAVES THE
FOLLOWING SATURDAY AND
COMING INTO COTTAGE 7 IS
DENISE OR WHOEVER IT MIGHT BE
FROM PENNSYLVANIA,
AND SHE'D BE COMING UP.
SO IT WAS JUST THIS
KIND OF CATALOGUE
OF MAPPING OUT
OUR SUMMER.
THE TRICKY THING WOULD
BE IF YOU HAD, SAY,
ONE GIRL WHO STAYED FROM
SATURDAY TO SATURDAY,
AND THEN ANOTHER GIRL WAS
COMING IN FROM THAT SATURDAY
TO SATURDAY, AND YOU HAD
WHAT WE SORT OF THOUGHT OF
THESE INTERSECTING UNIVERSES
WHERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME,
TWO GIRLS THAT YOU
MIGHT BE GOING OUT WITH
WOULD BE IN THE CAMP
AT THE SAME TIME.

Richard says HOW DID YOU HANDLE THAT?

Linwood says I WOULD GO INTO TOWN AND
BUY OIL OR SOMETHING.
I'D SAY GOODBYE TO
ONE, TAKE CARE,
AND YOU JUST HOPE
THAT THE OTHER FAMILY
THAT WAS COMING IN
LATER WOULD GET STUCK
IN TRAFFIC OR SOMETHING.

Richard says THERE'S A GREAT STORY ABOUT
ONE TIME WHEN YOU'RE GETTING
TO AN IRRESISTIBLE
POINT WITH ONE GIRL AND
YOUR FATHER, REMEMBER,
HAD ERRANDS FOR YOU,
YOU HAD SOME CHORES TO
DO, AND YOU CHOOSE
THE GIRL TEMPORARILY.

Linwood says I HAD SEEN HER.
I HAD A LITTLE BOAT WITH A
9 HORSEPOWER MOTOR THAT
I WAS ZOOMING AROUND
ALL THE TIME IN.
I MEAN, I'M SUCH
A HYPOCRITE.
TODAY I RAIL
AGAINST JET SKIS,
AND YET WE WERE SO BAD
IN OUR LITTLE BOAT,
ZIPPING ALL AROUND.
BUT I HAD SEEN A
GIRL DOWN THE LAKE
AND HAD GOTTEN
TO KNOW HER.
AND ON A SATURDAY MORNING,
WE WERE QUITE BUSY.
IF WE HAD A LOT OF COTTAGES
CHANGE HANDS AND SO FORTH,
THERE WAS A LOT TO BE DONE.
BOATS TO CLEAN OUT AND
COTTAGES TO CLEAN
OR HELP OUT WITH, AND
THERE'D BE A LOT TO DO.
SO MY DAD COUNTED
ON ME TO HELP OUT.
AND THIS PARTICULAR MORNING,
I WENT DOWN AND GOT TOGETHER
WITH THIS GIRL AND TOOK HER
FOR A BOAT RIDE AND WE WENT
OUT TO THIS POINT OF LAND
WHERE YOU COULD WANDER
AROUND AND DO A BIT
OF TONSIL HOCKEY
WITHOUT ANYBODY SEEING.
AND SO, BY THE
TIME I GOT BACK,
I THINK MY DAD HAD
CLEANED MOST OF THE BOATS
AND I HAD REALLY
LET HIM DOWN.
AND HE WASN'T TOO HAPPY.
IT WAS ONE OF THOSE, I FELT
PRETTY BAD ABOUT IT, YEAH.

Richard says I REMEMBER YOU SAID THAT
THE MEMORY OF IT ALMOST
OBLITERATED HOW NICE
IT WAS WITH THE GIRL.

Linwood says ALMOST.

Richard says ALMOST, BUT NOT QUITE.

Linwood says ALMOST, BUT IT WAS
STILL A FUN MORNING
BEFORE THE BOOM
GOT LOWERED.

Richard says WHAT FINALLY WE DO COME
AROUND TO IN THE BOOK
IS THAT YOUR FATHER GETS VERY
ILL AND FINALLY PASSES AWAY.
AND OVERNIGHT YOU HAVE TO
BECOME THE MAN OF THE FAMILY.
NOW, YOU'RE 16 I BELIEVE
WHEN IT HAPPENED?

Linwood says I'M 16 WHEN HE DIES, YEAH.

Richard says AND AT ONE
POINT, I REMEMBER,
IT'S GREAT BECAUSE YOU
GET INTO THE MINDSET
YOU WERE IN ABOUT
WHAT'S FAIR ABOUT THIS?
I'VE DONE TOO
MUCH OF THIS.
I'VE DONE TOO MUCH
OF THAT, AND FINALLY,
WHAT BREAKS YOU DOWN IS
WHEN YOU HAVE TO TRY
TO INSTALL A HOT
WATER HEATER?

Linwood says YEAH.
MY DAD WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
LUNG CANCER IN MARCH OF '71.
AND THE FOLLOWING,
NOVEMBER OF THAT YEAR,
HE DID DIE.
AND SO THROUGH THAT FIRST
SUMMER WHILE HE WAS STILL
WITH US BUT HE WAS ILL
AND HE COULDN'T DO MUCH,
I TOOK OVER DOING AN AWFUL
LOT OF THE WORK THERE.
JUST THE GRUNT WORK, TAKING
THE GARBAGE TO THE DUMP,
THE WONDERFUL JOB OF
TAKING THE FISH GUTS UP
INTO THE WOODS AND
BURYING THEM.

Richard says A BIG FAVE, YEAH.

Linwood says WHEN GUESTS WOULD CLEAN THEIR
FISH DOWN BY THE WATERSIDE,
THEY WOULD DUMP THE
GUTS IN A BUCKET AND I HAD
TO TAKE THAT INTO THE
WOODS AND BURY IT,
SO I HAD ALL SORTS
OF JOBS TO DO.
SO MY RESPONSIBILITIES
INCREASED THE YEAR
THAT HE WAS STILL AROUND.
BUT THEN, WHEN WE OPENED
THE FOLLOWING SPRING,
I WAS DOING THAT
GRUNT WORK.
I WAS DOING PRETTY
MUCH ALL OF IT.
AND MY MOM COUNTED
ON ME TO DO ALL THIS.
AND SO, THERE'D BEEN ALL
THIS RESPONSIBILITY HEAPED ON.
AND IT WASN'T EVEN LIKE
YOU THOUGHT ABOUT
ACCEPTING IT, THAT THIS
IS WHAT I'VE GOT TO DO.
IT'S JUST, THIS WAS
THE SITUATION AND
THIS HAS TO BE DONE.
SUDDENLY I NEEDED TO
BECOME AN EXPERT
IN PLUMBING AND
I NEEDED TO KNOW HOW
TO DO BASIC CARPENTRY
AND ALL THESE THINGS.
AND I REMEMBER ONE TIME
HAVING TO REPLACE A SMALL
WATER HEATER IN AN OLD
TRAILER AND REPLACING
THE TANK, AND IT JUST KIND
OF, I GOT TO THE POINT
WHERE I KNEW I JUST
COULDN'T DO IT.
I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THESE
SKILLS AND I'M SITTING THERE
WITH THESE PIPES ALL AROUND
AND THESE WRENCHES AND
SO FORTH, AND IT WAS, I THINK,
ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES
THAT I REALLY CRIED
ABOUT LOSING MY DAD.
AS IT WAS ALL HAPPENING,
IT WAS JUST SORT OF,
WELL, THIS IS WHAT
WE GOTTA COPE WITH.

Richard says YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU
DIDN'T CRY AT THE FUNERAL
OR DIDN'T REMEMBER IT.

Linwood says NO.

Richard says MAYBE A LITTLE
WHEEZY SOUND
CAME OUT AND
THAT WAS IT.

Linwood says I LOVED MY DAD
TREMENDOUSLY.
I HAD A WONDERFUL
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM AND
I MISSED HIM; WORDS
CAN'T BEGIN TO DESCRIBE
HOW MUCH I MISSED HIM,
BUT YET I DIDN'T CRY.
AND IT WAS SOMEHOW SITTING
THERE ON THE FLOOR OF THIS
TRAILER SURROUNDED IN THIS
MESS THAT I THINK
EVERYTHING KIND OF
CAME TOGETHER.
I MEAN, THE FACT
THAT I HAD LOST HIM,
THAT I HAD ALL THIS
RESPONSIBILITY,
THAT I COULDN'T
DO EVERYTHING.

Richard says IT'S THE GREAT LINE, TO ME
THE REALIZATION THAT
YOU SAY WHAT DROVE IT HOME
IS, I CAME TO REALIZE THAT
INSTALLING A WATER HEATER
WASN'T JUST A PLUMBING JOB,
IT WAS A WIRING JOB, TOO.

Linwood says OH.

Richard says AND THAT'S TOO MUCH FOR YOU.

Linwood says THAT WAS TOO MUCH.
THIS IS A RULE THAT I LIVE
WITH EVEN 'TIL TODAY,
THAT IF YOU SCREW UP
PLUMBING, YOU ONLY GET WET.
WHEN YOU SCREW UP
ELECTRICITY, YOU DIE.
AND SO I JUST THOUGHT,
I CAN'T DO THIS.
I CAN ONLY GO SO
FAR WITH THIS JOB.
BUT ANOTHER ELEMENT OF
THE BOOK IS ABOUT HOW
SO MANY OF THE GUESTS
WHO CAME TO OUR CAMP,
MEN OF MY FATHER'S
AGE AND OLDER,
WHO KIND OF TOOK ME UNDER
THEIR WING AND HELPED ME
DO A LOT OF THINGS, AND ONE
OF THEM WAS A MAN NAMED
JOHN BURR WHO WAS RECOVERING
FROM AN ACCIDENT
WHERE HE FELL OFF A
ROOF, AND HE HELPED ME.
HE BAILED ME OUT
SO MANY TIMES.
HE WAS A WONDERFUL MAN AND
HE WAS THE ONE I WENT DOWN
TO AND SAID, JOHN, I'M
HAVING A BIT OF TROUBLE
WITH THIS WATER HEATER,
AND HE SAID, WELL,
HE'D JUST GATHER UP HIS
TOOLS AND UP HE WENT
AND HE FIXED IT.

Richard says WHAT DID YOU DO?
YOU HAD THESE SURROGATE
DADS IN THE SUMMER.

Linwood says MM-HMM.

Richard says BUT WHAT DID YOU
DO IN THE WINTERS?

Linwood says WELL, I JUST
DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THEY WERE
SO KIND AND THEY WERE SO GOOD
AND I THINK ALL OF
THEIR INFLUENCE,
MAYBE IT CARRIED ME
THROUGH THE WINTER,
BECAUSE I KNEW THEY'D
BE BACK IN THE SPRING.
AND THERE WERE SOME OF
THEM WHO HAD PARKED THEIR
TRAILERS THERE ALL YEAR AND
WOULD COME UP EVERY WEEKEND
AND I'D START SEEING THEM
AS EARLY AS - PEOPLE
LIKE PHIL ADAMS WHO ACTUALLY I
SAW A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.
HE WOULD COME UP EVERY
WEEKEND STARTING IN MAY
AND IF THERE WAS ANYTHING
I NEEDED HELP WITH,
HE WAS ALWAYS THERE.

Richard says NOW THERE WERE OTHER
MEMBERS TO YOUR FAMILY.
WE SHOULD TALK
ABOUT THEM AS WELL.
YOUR BROTHER HAS A WONDERFUL
ROLE IN THE BOOK BECAUSE
HE'S YOUR OLDER BROTHER AND
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SAY,
WELL, IF THERE WAS
AN OLDER BROTHER,
WHERE WAS HE
DURING ALL OF THIS?
DO YOU WANT TO PICK UP
SOME OF THE THREADS
OF HIS LIFE FOR US?

Linwood says YEAH, I GUESS WE TAKE
IT BACK TO ABOUT 1966.
MY BROTHER IS 11
YEARS OLDER THAN I AM,
AND BY THE TIME WE
BOUGHT THIS CAMP,
HE WAS FINISHING COLLEGE
AND WAS GOING TO GO ON
FOR A MASTERS, AND SO HE WAS
KIND OF BEYOND IT TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT THE OTHER COMPLICATING
FACTOR WAS THAT MY PARENTS
HAD MOVED TO CANADA FROM
THE UNITED STATES IN 1959,
AND MY BROTHER WAS
FACED WITH WHETHER
HE WAS GOING TO BE
DRAFTED.

Richard says AND THIS WAS THE HEIGHT OF THE VIETNAM WAR.

Linwood says HEIGHT OF THE VIETNAM WAR.

Richard says I REMEMBER YOU SAID
YOU WOULD WAIT FOR
THE CLASSIFICATION FROM
THE SELECTED SERVICE.

Linwood says THAT'S RIGHT, YOU LOOK
IN THE MAIL TO SEE WHAT
THE SELECTIVE SERVICE HAD
SENT TO SEE WHETHER -

Richard says 1A OR 2S FOR A STUDENT.

Linwood says AND SO HE WAS FACED WITH
WHETHER TO KEEP GOING
TO SCHOOL OR IF HE'D GET
MORE DEFERMENTS AND
IT NEVER SEEMED TO OCCUR TO
ANYONE THAT HE JUST NOT GO,
THAT HE DODGE
IT AND SO FORTH.
THERE WAS A SENSE OF
RESPONSIBILITY, I THINK,
CERTAINLY ON MY
PARENTS' PART,
THINKING THAT IF HE'S
CALLED, HE'S GOT TO DO IT,
BUT WHAT CAN WE DO
POSSIBLY AVOID IT.
MY BROTHER'S A BRILLIANT
GUY AND HE KNEW
ALL THESE LANGUAGES AND HE
WAS BRILLIANT IN THAT SENSE,
AND KNEW RUSSIAN FLUENTLY.
SO IT WAS THOUGHT IT WAS
SUGGESTED THAT IF
HE ENLISTED THAT HE WOULD
HAVE MUCH BETTER CHANCE
OF GETTING CHANNELED INTO
AN AREA WHERE HE COULD USE
THOSE SKILLS INSTEAD OF
BEING SENT INTO COMBAT.
SO IT WAS DECIDED THAT HE
WOULD DO THIS BECAUSE
IT LOOKED LIKE HIS NUMBER
WAS GOING TO COME UP.
AND AS WE MOVED
INTO THIS PERIOD,
IT BECAME CLEAR THAT MY
BROTHER WAS IN MANY WAYS
BECOMING DETACHED
FROM REALITY.
HE WAS ILL.
AND THIS BECAME APPARENT
WHEN HE WAS ACTUALLY
IN THE ARMY AND WAS
HONOURABLY DISCHARGED EARLY
BECAUSE HE WAS ILL.
BUT THERE COULD BE ANY
NUMBER OF FACTORS,
BUT AT THAT POINT, HE HAD
THAT KIND OF A PROBLEM.
AND DIDN'T QUITE EVER GET
QUITE BACK TOTALLY ON HIS FEET.
HE CAME BACK TO LIVE AT THE
CAMP AND HE WAS THERE
AND HE HELPED AND RAN
THE PLACE WITH ME.
BUT MY BROTHER WASN'T UP TO
TAKING THE RESPONSIBILITIES
THAT I HAD TO TAKE ON.

Richard says NOW, I'M ASKING YOU THIS,
ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T
COME THROUGH IN THE
PAGES OF THE BOOK,
BUT WAS THAT
TOUGH ON YOU?
DID YOU EVER
RESENT THAT OR?

Linwood says NO, I DON'T -
I DON'T THINK SO.
I DON'T THINK I RESENTED IT,
AND WHEN I WAS WRITING THIS,
I ALSO IN MANY WAYS WANTED
TO JUST COMMUNICATE,
TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED,
AND YOU CAN TAKE YOUR
ASSESSMENTS OR JUDGMENT OF
WHETHER WHAT HAPPENED
TO ME WAS FAIR OR WASN'T.
I DIDN'T WANT TO
BE A COMPLAINER,
AND IT NEVER OCCURRED TO
ME THAT IT WAS UNFAIR,
THAT THIS WAS WRONG OR THAT
MY BROTHER SHOULD DO MORE.
I WAS AWARE OF HIS
CIRCUMSTANCES AND SO FORTH.
AND NOT TO SEEM
LIKE IT'S WHINING,
BECAUSE SO MUCH OF
WHAT I HAD TO DO,
EVEN AFTER MY DAD DIED, AND
HAVING THIS RESPONSIBILITY
AND RUNNING THIS GREEN
ACRES WITH MY MOM,
A LOT OF IT WAS
TREMENDOUS FUN.

Richard says MM-HMM.

Linwood says I KNEW ULTIMATELY THAT IT
WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT
I WANTED TO DO FOREVER.
BUT A LOT OF IT WAS
TREMENDOUS FUN AND THERE
WERE WONDERFUL CASTS OF
CHARACTERS THAT I MET.

Richard says I WANT TO TALK ABOUT
YOUR MOM FIRST
AND GET INTO HER THERE.
I HINTED AT WHAT SHE
WAS LIKE IN THE BEGINNING.
SHE WOULDN'T
ACCEPT THAT SHE HAD
A 60-FOOT TRAILER BECAUSE
IT HAD TO BE 57 FEET.

Linwood says WE DIDN'T WANT TO
SEEM LIKE WE WERE
PUTTING ON AIRS,
YOU KNOW?
THE TRAILER WAS 60 FEET LONG
ACCORDING TO THE CATALOGUE,
BUT THREE FEET IS THE
HITCH AT THE FRONT,
THOSE TRIANGULAR
BRACES AT THE FRONT.
AND SO, MOM ALWAYS MADE A
POINT OF TELLING PEOPLE THAT
THE TRAILER WAS ACTUALLY
57 FEET BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T
WANT TO BE PUTTING ON AIRS.
PEOPLE'D THINK YOU WERE LIVING
IN SOME SORT OF PALACE
IF THEY THOUGHT YOUR
TRAILER WAS 60 FEET LONG.

Richard says THE OLD THING, IS THE GLASS
HALF FULL OR HALF EMPTY?
YOUR MOTHER WOULD SAY IT
WAS HALF EMPTY AND THERE
WAS A HAIR IN IT, RIGHT?

Linwood says IT WAS ALWAYS HALF EMPTY.

Richard says MY FAVOURITE PARTICULAR
ANECDOTE ABOUT YOUR MOTHER
INVOLVES WHAT SHE SAID AND
YOUR FATHER'S RESPONSE AT
THE TIME YOUR FATHER WOUND
UP CRASHING THROUGH THE ICE?

Linwood says WELL, WHAT HAD HAPPENED,
WE WERE DIGGING A WELL
RIGHT NEXT TO THE
SHORELINE.
AND THE BACKHOE WAS THERE,
AND THE THING WAS FILLED
WITH ICY, BROWN,
MUCKY WATER.
AND MY DAD WAS IN A SET OF
THOSE TALL - NOT HIP WADERS,
THEY CALL THEM CHEST WADERS.

Richard says CHEST WADERS.

Linwood says AND HE SLIPPED AND FELL
INTO THIS PIT OF COLD,
ICY WATER, WHICH WAS JUST
HIGH ENOUGH TO GO OVER
THE TOP OF THE WADERS, SO HE
WAS FILLED WITH THIS COLD ICY
WATER, AND HE HAD TO TRUDGE
BACK UP TO OUR TRAILER AND
PEEL OFF THESE WADERS AND
TAKE THEM OFF WITH WATER
SPILLING EVERYWHERE, AND
HE'S STANDING THERE IN
HIS PANTS AND TAKING
OFF HIS PANTS,
AND IT'S A WONDER FISH
DIDN'T COME SPILLING OUT OF IT.
AND MY MOM LOOKED
AT HIM AND SHE SAID,
YOU LOOK LIKE THE DEVIL.
AND MY DAD TURNED AND
LOOKED AT ME AND HE SAID,
YOUR MOTHER HAS
MET EVERYBODY.
[laughing]
AND HE HAD A VERY DROLL -

Richard says I THINK THAT SUMS THE
TWO OF THEM UP PERFECTLY.

Linwood says I THINK IT DOES, YEAH.

Richard says YOU WERE ALLUDING TO THIS
GREAT CAST OF CHARACTERS.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAD YOUR
OWN MINI-LITERARY RESORT
OF THERE FOR A WHILE.
TWO OF THE MOST BIZARRE
AUTHORS YOU'D NEVER THINK
YOU WOULD ENCOUNTER IN YOUR
YOUTH, YOU ENCOUNTERED.
MARGARET LAURENCE.
NOW, HOW DID YOU RUN ACROSS
HER AND WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?

Linwood says WELL, I MET MARGARET.
SHE BECAME QUITE A
GOOD FRIEND OF OURS.
I WENT TO TRENT UNIVERSITY,
WHICH WAS WITHIN HALF
AN HOUR'S DRIVE OF GREEN
ACRES, AND TRENT WAS CHOSEN,
NOT SO MUCH FOR
ITS PROGRAMS,
ALTHOUGH THEY WERE GREAT,
BUT FOR THE FACT THAT
I COULD STILL BE RUNNING
THE CAMP AND I COULD GO TO
SCHOOL IN SEPTEMBER BECAUSE
THE CAMP WAS STILL OPEN THEN.

Richard says YEAH.

Linwood says AND MARGARET LAURENCE WAS A
WRITER IN RESIDENCE DURING
THE TIME THAT I WAS THERE.
AND I HAD READ, I THINK,
MAYBE ONE SHORT STORY OF HERS
IN HIGH SCHOOL AND KNEW
NOTHING ABOUT HER REALLY,
BUT SHE WAS A WRITER AND
I WANTED TO BE A WRITER,
AND I WAS ALWAYS WRITING
STORIES BASED ON TV SHOWS
THAT I LIKED.

Richard says YOU TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO HER
TO COLUMBO WAS AT ONE POINT.

Linwood says I HAD WRITTEN, I GOT
80-PAGE COLUMBO STORY,
AND I GAVE IT
TO HER TO READ,
AND SHE REALLY LIKED
IT, BUT SHE SAID,
WHO IS THIS COLUMBO GUY?
SHE HAD BEEN IN ENGLAND.
SHE HAD JUST COME BACK
RECENTLY FROM THERE,
BUT SHE WAS A BIT OUT OF
TOUCH WITH THE KIND OF JUNK
THAT A LOT OF US
WERE WATCHING,
ALTHOUGH I ALWAYS
LOVED COLUMBO.
[laughing]
AND SO I GOT TO
KNOW HER THEN,
AND I FELT TERRIBLY GUILTY
THAT SHE WAS READING ALL
MY STUFF AND I HAD READ NOTHING
OF HERS AND HAD NO SENSE
OF HER REPUTATION, SO
THE FOLLOWING SUMMER,
OVER THE SUMMER, I READ
PRETTY MUCH MOST OF HER NOVELS.
THIS WAS BEFORE
THE DIVINERS.

Richard says AND WHAT DID YOU TELL HER
ABOUT HER BOOKS THEN?

Linwood says I SAID TO HER THE
NEXT FALL, I SAID,
I READ YOUR BOOKS OVER
THE SUMMER AND, YOU KNOW,
THEY WERE PRETTY GOOD.
SHE SAID, WELL, THANK YOU.

Richard says AND SHE DIDN'T CLOUT YOU?

Linwood says SHE HAD A GREAT
SENSE OF HUMOUR.
SHE JUST LAUGHED.

Richard says WHEN SHE GOT AROUND
TO
THE DIVINERS,
DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE
TOPOGRAPHY IN THE PLACE
AROUND THERE FROM
WHERE YOU WERE?

Linwood says OH, YEAH, VERY MUCH.
IN FACT, I HAD BEEN DOWN TO
HER COTTAGE MANY TIMES AND
WHERE THAT WAS WRITTEN, AND
THERE ARE SCENES IN THAT
FROM THAT THAT I
RECOGNIZE.
AND, YEAH.

Richard says IT STAYED WITH YOU.
NOW, YOU MENTIONED
COLUMBO.
OF COURSE, WE KNOW
YOU'RE A MYSTERY FAN.
AND AGAIN, WHAT WAS IT LIKE
WHEN YOU DISCOVERED THAT
ROSS MACDONALD WAS AROUND?

Linwood says AT SOME POINT WHEN
I WAS AT CAMP,
I PICKED UP A NOVEL
BY ROSS MACDONALD,
WHO'S REAL NAME
WAS KENNETH MILLER,
CALLED
THE GOODBYE LOOK,
AND I REALLY LIKED IT.
IT WAS A MYSTERY WITH -
IT WAS MORE THAN MYSTERY.
IT WAS LOOK AT
DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILIES.
NOW, WHY I WAS ATTRACTED
TO THAT, I HAVE NO IDEA.
[laughing]
BUT I REALLY LOVED THEM, AND
THEN I JUST STARTED READING
ALL OF THEM THAT I
COULD, AND WHEN I GOT TO
UNIVERSITY, THERE WAS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO DO AN ESSAY
ON MYSTERY FICTION.
SO I THOUGHT, WHAT THE HECK,
I WROTE HIS PUBLISHER.
I WROTE TO HIM CARE OF
THE PUBLISHER AND SAID,
LOVE YOUR STUFF.
ARE THERE ANY THINGS THAT
HAVE BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT YOUR
WORK THAT I COULD LOOK AT
AND REFER TO FOR THIS ESSAY?
AND NOT KNOWING THAT HE HAD
NOT LONG BEFORE THAT BEEN
ON THE COVER OF
NEWSWEEK
AND SO FORTH.
SO HE WROTE BACK A VERY NICE
LETTER AND HE AND I STARTED
HAVING A CORRESPONDENCE.
AND I HAD WRITTEN - AS
A UNIVERSITY STUDENT,
I HAD WRITTEN A
MYSTERY NOVEL,
AND I TENTATIVELY
WROTE HIM AND SAID,
COULD I SEND IT TO YOU?
AND HE WROTE BACK
AND SAID, OF COURSE.
AND SO, I SENT
IT TO HIM.
HE LIKED IT
VERY MUCH.
WE KEPT CORRESPONDING AND
HIS TRAVELS AROUND THE TIME,
I THINK BEFORE
THE BLUE
HAMMER
CAME OUT -
ACTUALLY IT WAS ABOUT
A YEAR BEFORE THAT,
HIS TRAVELS BROUGHT HIM UP
TO PETERBOROUGH AND
I'M THERE AT THE CAMP ONE DAY,
AND I THINK I'M JUST ABOUT
TO DO THE FISH BUCKET JOB,
AND THE PHONE RINGS AND IT'S
ROSS MACDONALD AND ASKING
IF I WANTED TO COME
AND HAVE DINNER WITH
HIM AND HIS WIFE.

Richard says WELL, LET ME JUST GET
RID OF FISH GUTS
FIRST, THAT WILL BE FINE.

Linwood says YEAH, LET ME JUST SEE,
I'VE GOT SOME TOILETS
TO CLEAN AND THE FISH
GUTS TO BURY,
BUT AFTER THAT, IT
WOULD BE MY PLEASURE.
AND SO I WENT AND HAD
DINNER WITH HIM
AND I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT.
I WAS JUST OVER THE MOON.

Richard says SO THERE'S GOOD TIMES.
THERE'S BAD TIMES.
THERE'S A LOT OF
STUFF TO REMEMBER.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE
THE BOOK FINALLY TAKES US
AT THE END, BUT TO LEAD US
THERE AND TO LET THE VIEWERS
HEAR ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE,
WOULD YOU MIND READING A
PARTICULAR SECTION
FROM THE BOOK FOR ME?

Linwood says NO, SURE.

Richard says IT'S ONE OF MY FAVOURITES,
SO I'LL JUST FIND IT OUT
HERE FOR YOU AND ASK YOU TO
TAKE IT FROM TO THE END OF
THE CHAPTER FOR US.

He flips through the pages of Linwood’s book and hands it to him.

Linwood says OKAY.
DO I NEED TO SET
THIS UP A BIT?
I GUESS IT'S THE
MOST PIVOTAL PART
IN THE BOOK BECAUSE
IT'S THE MOMENT
THAT CHANGED MY LIFE
MORE THAN ANY OTHER.

He clears his throat and reads
I REMEMBER IT AS IF IT'S
A PICTURE AND I'M IN IT.
I AM STANDING AT
THE FOOT OF THE BED,
ALL OF THE ELEMENTS
ARE FRAMED.
WE ARE IN A PRIVATE
ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR
OF THE HOSPITAL.
DAD WAS MOVED HERE FROM THE
WARD A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
IT'S THE SAME ROOM WHERE I
HAD MY MUSTARD PLASTERS,
ONLY BACK THEN THERE HAD
BEEN TWO BEDS AND NOW THERE
IS ONE, AND IT'S TURNED THE
OTHER WAY SO THAT WHEN
YOU STAND IN THE DOORFRAME,
YOU'RE ONLY SIX FEET OR SO
FROM THE FOOT OF THE BED
LOOKING RIGHT AT THE PATIENT.
IT IS 6:30.
MOM AND RET AND I DRIVE
DOWN AFTER SUPPER.
CHICKEN BREASTS COOKED FOR
AN HOUR IN A CASSEROLE
WITH A TIN OF CAMPBELL'S CREAM
OF CELERY SOUP DUMPED ON IT,
WITH UNCLE BEN'S
RICE AND PEAS.
WE HAVE BEEN HERE ONLY
A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
MOM IS STANDING AT THE
HEAD OF THE BED BY DAD.
THE BED'S CRANKED UP SO SHE
DOESN'T HAVE TO LEAN DOWN
VERY FAR TO REST HER ARM
ON THE PILLOW ABOVE HIM
AND CARESS HIS BROW.
AS IF TO GIVE THE
PICTURE SYMMETRY,
RET IS ON THE OTHER
SIDE LEANING OVER.
I LOVE YOU, DAD,
HE SAYS.
THE WALLS ARE YELLOW AND
THERE IS A WINDOW BEHIND MOM
THAT LOOKS OUT ON
THE PARKING LOT,
BUT YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING
EXCEPT THE SHADOW OF SOME
BRANCHES MOVING IN THE WIND.
THERE IS A DUSTING OF SNOW.
RET DECIDES TO WALK THE
HALLS FOR A WHILE AND LEAVES.
DAD IS STARTING
STRAIGHT AHEAD,
NOT AT ME BUT THROUGH ME.
HE IS NOT BLINKING.
HIS BREATHING IS RASPY,
RASPIER THAN I HAVE EVER
HEARD IT, LIKE ROCKS
SHAKING AROUND IN A DRUM.
THEN, UNEXPECTEDLY,
THERE IS A STRONG,
LOUD EXHALATION THAT
LASTS SEVERAL SECONDS,
AND THE RATTLING ECHOES
FROM DEEP INSIDE HIM
LIKE IT'S COMING FROM
THE BOTTOM OF A SHAFT.
I AM WAITING FOR AN EQUALLY
UNSETTLING INTAKE OF BREATH,
BUT THERE IS NOW A
STILLNESS IN THE ROOM.
MOM AND I ARE HOLDING
OUR OWN BREATH,
WAITING FOR DAD TO TAKE
ANOTHER ONE OF HIS,
AND THEN, CONTRARY TO ALL
THE RULES, HE EXHALES AGAIN,
BUT NOT AS LOUD THIS TIME,
LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO GET
RID OF SOME AIR THAT
WAS DOWN IN HIS TOES.
IT'S LIKE WHEN I PLAYED WITH
HIS ACCORDION AS A KID
AND YOU HAD THE BELLOWS
OPEN ONLY AN INCH
AND THEN YOU SQUEEZED.
ALL YOU GOT WAS A WHISPER
OF MUSIC, A WHEEZE.
DAD BREATHS OUT NO MORE AIR.
HE'S NOT TAKING ANY IN.
I SEE MYSELF BACKING
OUT OF THE DOORWAY,
TURNING TO THE NURSES'
STATION THAT'S ONLY
A FEW STEPS AWAY.
SOMETHING'S GOING
ON, I SAY.
A NURSE PUTS HER CLIPBOARD
ON THE COUNTER AND ENTERS
THE ROOM AND GENTLY NUDGES
MOM WHO IS SAYING EVERETT?
EVERETT?
OUT OF THE WAY SO SHE CAN
DETERMINE WHAT IS HAPPENING.
I AM STANDING AT THE END
OF THE BED THINKING THAT
I SHOULD PROBABLY BE SAYING
SOMETHING BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
I THINK I HEAR MOM CRYING,
BUT I AM NOT LOOKING AT HER,
I AM LOOKING AT DAD'S
STILL OPEN EYES.
THE NURSE TURNS
AND WHEN SHE DOES,
I LOOK INTO HER FACE AND
I MOUTH THE WORDS, IS HE?
AND SHE NODS, AND RETURNS
TO THE STATION TO MAKE
THE NECESSARY CALLS WHERE
MY BROTHER HEARS HER SAY,
HE'S GONE.
HE DOES NOT RETURN TO
DAD'S ROOM AND THEN
THE PICTURE FADES AWAY.

Richard says THAT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT
PICTURE DOESN'T FADE AWAY.
IT STAYS WITH YOU ALL THESE
YEARS AND YOU GET A CHANCE
TO SHARE IT WITH US, TOO.
WE ALL HAVE UNRESOLVED
ISSUES WITH OUR PARENTS.
YOU CAME BACK TO THIS
AFTER ALL THESE YEARS.
WHAT'S THE ONE THING YOU
LEARNED AGAIN WRITING THIS BOOK?

Linwood says I THINK ONE OF THEM
IS THAT YOUR PARENTS
ARE ALWAYS WITH
YOU, YOU KNOW?
AND FOR A VERY LONG TIME I
THINK I WAS LOOKING FOR
MY DAD IN OTHER PEOPLE
AND IN OTHER PLACES,
BECAUSE LIKE, AS I SAID,
WE WERE SO CLOSE.
I REALLY MISSED HIM SO MUCH
AND I MISSED THAT INFLUENCE
OF A FATHER FIGURE, AND I
THINK THAT KIND OF THING
HAS STAYED WITH ME ALL THESE
YEARS OF WANTING THAT.
AND ALSO, IT'S JUST
INTERESTING DOING SOMETHING
LIKE THIS, BECAUSE ONE IDEA,
YOU THINK, I COULD NEVER
MAKE ALL THE NOTES TO
WHAT I WANTED TO WRITE.
IT'S JUST THAT ONE
IDEA LEADS TO ANOTHER,
WHICH LEADS TO ANOTHER, AND
SUDDENLY IT ALL COMES BACK
WITH A RUSH.

Richard says AND I'M GLAD IT DID.
LINWOOD BARCLAY, THANK
YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
THE LAST RESORT,
GREAT BOOK.

Linwood says THANK YOU.

Richard says THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Linwood says MY PLEASURE.

Richard faces the screen and concludes
FOR
DIALOGUE,
I'M
RICHARD OUZOUNIAN,
GOODBYE FOR NOW.

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