Transcript: Nancy White | Feb 23, 1999

(Rhythmic string and wind music plays)

In animation, a word in pink slides by against a gray background as hands paint strokes using paintbrushes, play a piano, and touch as in a ballet performance.

The title of the show reads “Dialogue.”

The title of the episode pops up against an image of Richard Ouzounian and a guest talking and laughing at a restaurant table: “Nancy White. Singer-Songwriter.”

Then, Richard appears facing the screen. He's in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short side-parted blond hair. He's wearing rounded glasses, a black suit, dark blue shirt, and striped black tie.

He says WELCOME TO DIALOGUE.
I'M RICHARD OUZOUNIAN.
SHAKESPEARE ONCE WROTE, “IF
MUSIC BE THE FOOD OF LOVE,
PLAY ON.”
BUT IF HE HAD MET OUR NEXT
GUEST, HE MIGHT HAVE ADDED,
THE FOOD OF
LAUGHTER AS WELL.
SHE'S BEEN WRITING
SATIRICAL SONGS THAT
HAVE MADE THIS NATION LAUGH
FOR WELL OVER TWO DECADES,
AND I'M DELIGHTED TO
HAVE HER HERE TODAY.
THIS
DIALOGUE
IS
WITH NANCY WHITE.

Nancy is in her late forties, with short curly dark red hair. She’s wearing a blue velvet blazer over a red and gray striped dress, silver pendant earrings, and a matching choker necklace.

Richard continues NANCY, A LOT OF GROUND
TO COVER WITH YOU.
I FEEL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN A
FRIEND FOR AGES BECAUSE
I'VE HEARD YOU SO OFTEN,
AND YOU'VE GOTTEN ME
THROUGH SO MANY
WORLD CRISES.

Nancy says THANK YOU.

Richard says WHEN THIS ALL STARTED,
WAY BACK - WAS IT
THIS HOUR HAS SEVEN DAYS?
WAS THAT THE FIRST?

Nancy says THAT WAS DINAH CHRISTIE.
I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY
THAT RIGHT NOW;
ANDREW CLARK JUST
WROTE THAT IN
THE STAR.
YEAH, THAT WAS
DINAH.
NO, I STARTED REALLY ON
SUNDAY MORNING
IN 1976.

Richard says SO, YOU'VE BEEN
DOING IT FOR AGES,
BUT DID YOU EVER THINK
IT WAS GOING TO BE YOUR
REPUTATION TO BE Miss
SATIRICAL SONGSTRESS?

Nancy says CERTAINLY NOT, NO.
I KIND OF DRIFT FROM DAY TO
DAY OR MINUTE TO MINUTE;
I'VE NEVER HAD A BIG PLAN.
I DID HAVE, INCIDENTALLY,
WHEN YOU WERE INTRODUCING ME,
“IF MUSIC WAS THE FOOD
OF LOVE, PLAY ON”;
THAT WAS ON A
SAMPLER ON MY PIANO
TEACHER'S WALL WHEN
I WAS A TINY CHILD.

Richard says I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

Nancy says VERY NOSTALGIC.
OOOH, SO PSYCHIC!
NO, I KIND OF
DRIFTED INTO IT.
I HAD WRITTEN NOVELTY
SONGS BECAUSE I FELT,
WHEN I WAS A FOLKSINGER AND
I STARTED PLAYING GUITAR
AND SINGING SONGS WHEN
I WAS AT DALHOUSIE.
AND I FELT THAT I WAS
KIND OF AN ORDINARY,
NICE LITTLE VOICE,
BUT FAIRLY ORDINARY.
I SAID, IF I WANT
TO BE ON THE STAGE,
I SHOULD BE ENTERTAINING AND
POSSIBLY MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH.
SO, I HAD ALWAYS
WRITTEN NOVELTY SONGS,
BUT NOT SONGS ABOUT
GOVERNMENTS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEN WHEN
SUNDAY MORNING
WAS GETTING STARTED,
MARK STAROWICZ WANTED TO
HAVE SONGS ABOUT THE NEWS.
AND I WAS JUST ONE
OF THE PEOPLE
THEY NOTICED AND
TALKED TO.
I DRIFTED INTO IT; I
FOUND THAT I HAD THIS...
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
A CURSE OR A GIFT.

Richard says IT'S A GIFT,
IT'S A GIFT.

A caption appears on screen. It reads “Nancy White. Singer-Songwriter.”

Nancy says IT'S A GIFT,
BUT, OF COURSE,
IT'S KEPT ME OUT OF THE
MAINSTREAM OF POP MUSIC
AT THE SAME TIME.

Richard says I WANTED TO GET BACK
TO THAT IN A BIT,
BUT LET ME KEEP DWELLING
ON THE SATIRE FOR A WHILE.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE WEEKS
WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS AND
IT'S A GREAT BIG STORY AND
YOU CAN WRITE ABOUT IT.
BUT ARE THERE EVER TIMES
YOU LOOKED AT THE WELL
FOR THE WEEK AND THOUGHT,
PRETTY DRY DOWN THERE?

Nancy says OH, SURE.
WHEN I STARTED
DOING THAT SHOW,
I WAS DOING THREE OR
FOUR SONGS A WEEK.
BUT I WAS ON STAFF,
I WAS IN THE OFFICE,
SO I HAD ACCESS TO
ALL THOSE NEWSPAPERS.
THESE WERE THE DAYS
BEFORE THE INTERNET;
YOU ACTUALLY HAD TO READ
THINGS HORIZONTALLY.

Richard says AND GET INK ON YOUR HANDS.

Nancy says EXACTLY, SO, THERE WERE SOME
TIMES WHEN I WOULD PANIC.
OF COURSE, NOW, THERE'S
SO MUCH GOING ON NOW,
BUT I DON'T HAVE THE
MARKET FOR IT ANYMORE.

Richard says I'M CURIOUS; LIKE,
SOMETHING HAPPENS
LIKE MONICA LEWINSKY
AND BILL CLINTON.
DO YOU WISH YOU WERE RUSHING
OUT AND DOING IT ALL THE TIME?

Nancy says ONCE IN A WHILE, I MISS
IT, SURE I DO, YEAH.

Richard says BUT TO GO BACK TO WHEN
PANIC HIT AND NOTHING WAS THERE;
WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN
YOU'RE SITTING THERE AND
THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, NANCY,
YOU HAVE TO BE FUNNY,
WE NEED SOMETHING.
AND YOU CAN'T THINK.

Nancy says YOU WORK WITH DEADLINES
ALL THE TIME TOO,
SO YOU KNOW SOMEHOW,
SOMETHING - THERE'S
ALWAYS SOMETHING.
AND I REALLY
LIKE THE NOVELTY,
THE LITTLE ITEMS AT THE
BACK OF THE PAPER THE BEST,
ABOUT A COMPANY THAT
DID FREEZE-DRIED PETS,
FOR INSTANCE.
I DID A SONG CALLED
“FOREVER FLUFFY.”
I STILL DO THAT
SONG, ACTUALLY,
BECAUSE IT IS
OUR EVERGREEN
ABOUT PRESERVE-A-PET
INTERNATIONAL,
AND THAT'S
WHAT THEY DID.

Richard says IT'S LIKE LIVING CHIA PET.

Nancy says EXACTLY, YEAH,
LIVING CHIA.
SO, I LIKE THE
LITTLE NOVEL STORIES,
AND THOSE WERE
ALWAYS THERE.
SO, THERE'S
ALWAYS SOMETHING.

Richard says DID YOU EVER GET FEEDBACK
FROM ANY OF THE PEOPLE
THAT YOU WERE POKING
FUN AT, OR PRAISE,
OR BLAME, OR ANYTHING?

Nancy says I NEVER REALLY DID.
I WAS WORKING IN TORONTO, AND
I'M NOT A GREAT SOCIALIZER.
I NEVER REALLY DID MEET
POLITICAL FIGURES.
I KNOW A COUPLE OF PEOPLE;
I KNOW DAVID MACDONALD,
FOR INSTANCE, BECAUSE
HE'S FROM P.E.I.

Richard says JUST PEOPLE WHO
GO BACK A LONG WAY.

Nancy says NO, I NEVER DID; I WAS
ALMOST SUED BY CONRAD BLACK,
BUT, I MEAN,
WHO HASN'T BEEN?

Richard says SO, YOU NEVER ACTUALLY HAD
A RUN INTO THEM LATER ON
AND THEY'D SAY, I WAS MAD
AT YOU, OR SOMETHING?
DO YOU EVER REGRET
ANY OF THEM?

Nancy says HOW DO YOU MEAN?
OH, THE THINGS I DID?
UM, WELL...
NO.

Nancy says I'LL TELL YOU WHY I ASK THAT.

Nancy says I WAS ALWAYS TRUTHFUL AT ALL TIMES.

Richard says THIS SOUNDS
KIND OF BIZARRE,
BUT THIS PREVIOUS SUMMER,
WHEN WE HAD THE TRAGEDY
WITH PRINCESS DIANA DYING, I
COULDN'T GET OUT OF MY HEAD
THE SATIRICAL SONG
YOU WROTE ABOUT HER.
I REMEMBER I HEARD IT
ON THE RADIO ONLY ONCE,
BUT YOU WERE DOING,
“LADY DI, LADY DI.”

Nancy sings
SHE'S GOT NO JOB,
BUT SHE GETS BY
FOUND HERSELF A
DECENT GUY

Richard says KINDA OLD, BUT
HE'S STILL SPRY.
AND DON'T ASK ME WHY I
REMEMBER IT SO VIVIDLY.
BUT I THOUGHT, GEE,
I WONDER IF NANCY
IS SITTING RIGHT NOW,
SAYING, OH, GOSH,
I FEEL KIND OF
AWKWARD I WROTE THAT.

Nancy says WELL, I TELL YA, I WAS
DOING AN ALBUM LAST SUMMER -
MY NEW ALBUM,
GAELIC ENVY.
AND ORIGINALLY, I HAD A SONG
ON IT ABOUT THE POPE CALLED,
“OH, TO BE
CATHOLIC IN ITALY.”
IT WAS WHEN THE BISHOPS
ISSUED THIS COMMUNIQUE
SAYING THAT CATHOLICS
THAT WERE MARRYING
FOR THE SECOND TIME
COULDN'T HAVE SEX.

Richard says EXCUSE ME?

Nancy says LIKE, EXCUSEZ-MOI,
LIKE, MARRIED PEOPLE...

Richard says SO, YOU ONLY
MARRY FOR MONEY?

Nancy says YES, OR YOU COULD LIVE
TOGETHER IN MUTUAL HELP
AND SELF-ESTEEM, KIND OF
LIKE IN THAT MOVIE -
WHAT'S THE MOVIE OUT NOW,
WITH PAUL RUDD AND...

Richard says THE OBJECT OF MY AFFECTION.

Nancy says YEAH, YOU COULD
ACTUALLY LIVE TOGETHER.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD
SANCTION THAT UNION,
I SUPPOSE.
SO, I HAD A SONG
ABOUT THAT CALLED,
“OH, TO BE CATHOLIC
IN ITALY.”
I THOUGHT IT
WAS PRETTY SILLY,
AND I WAS GOING TO
PUT IT ON
GAELIC ENVY,
AND THEN THE CRASH HAPPENED
AND LADY DIANA DIED.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE
POPE IN THE FILM FOOTAGE,
AND HE'S NOT LOOKING TOO
WELL, AND I THOUGHT,
WOULDN'T IT BE AWFUL IF
SOMETHING HAPPENED
TO THE POPE JUST WHEN
THIS ALBUM CAME OUT?
SO, I TOOK THE SONG
OFF THE ALBUM, YEAH.
I PUT IN A SONG
ABOUT STAN ROGERS.

Richard says I KNOW, I WAS GOING
TO ASK YOU ABOUT IT!
IT WAS FASCINATING BECAUSE
STAN ROGERS IS KIND OF
SAINT STAN, AND YOU DID
THIS VERY FUNNY NUMBER
ABOUT WHAT THE GUYS IN THE
BAND WERE PROBABLY LIKE.

Nancy says IT'S CALLED, “MANLY BAND.”

Richard says WE'RE JUST A BUNCH OF
WIMPY FOLKIES, BUT...

Nancy says WE MOVE LIKE A
ROCK 'N' ROLL BAND.

Richard says I WAS REMEMBERING
YOUR LINER NOTES;
YOU WERE WONDERING
WHAT STAN WOULD DO IF
HE CAME ACROSS
THAT RECORD.

Nancy says HE'D PUT OUT MY LIGHTS.

Richard says PUT OUT YOUR LIGHTS, GIVE
YOU A PIECE OF YOUR MIND.
WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO
BRING THAT ONE FORWARD
AFTER ALL
THESE MANY YEARS?

Nancy says I WROTE THAT SONG IN 1983
AND IT WAS ABOUT THREE
OR FOUR MONTHS
BEFORE STAN DIED,
AND I HAD PERFORMED IT A
COUPLE OF TIMES AND
I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD
TO DOING IT ON THE FOLK
FESTIVAL CIRCUIT, BECAUSE I
KNEW PEOPLE WOULD LOVE IT.
BECAUSE STAN...
STAN HAD A FEW
PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW?
AND THEN, OF
COURSE, HE DIED,
AND I WAS LIKE
EVERYONE ELSE;
I WAS DEVASTATED BECAUSE
I KNEW HIM A LITTLE BIT.
WE WEREN'T FRIENDS BUT
IT WAS JUST SO HORRIBLE.
AND HE WAS AN AMAZINGLY
TALENTED GUY.
BUT THEN I THOUGHT, WELL,
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME,
AND THIS SONG WILL BE
NOSTALGIC FOR PEOPLE.
IT COULD BE ABOUT
ANYBODY, REALLY,
EXCEPT THAT IT'S A
LITTLE BIT SPECIFIC.
SO, I THOUGHT,
I'LL PUT IT ON.

Richard says THAT'S ONE OF THE
INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT
YOUR NEW ALBUM,
GAELIC ENVY.
IT ENCOMPASSES A
WIDE VARIETY
OF MUSICAL STYLES
AND THINGS.
THERE'S THE TITLE
SONG; NANCY WHITE,
AS WE'VE COME TO
KNOW AND LOVE HER,
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
YOU WISH THAT GRANNY
HAD TAUGHT YOU GAELIC.

Nancy says IMAGINE HOW HUGE
I'D BE TODAY.
I'D BE IN L.A., I'D BE
DANCING WITH FLATLEY.

Richard says YOU'D BE RITA,
YOU'D BE ASHLEY,
YOU'D BE QUEEN
OF THE DANCE.

Nancy says I'D BE MARY JANE.
I WOULD BE QUEEN
OF THE DANCE, YEAH.

Richard says YOU'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT COMING FROM P.E.I.
AND THINGS AND
GOING TO UNIVERSITY
AT DAL AND
ALL OF THAT.
ARE THE MARITIMES THAT
MUCH A PART OF YOU,
I MEAN, IN A
SERIOUS WAY?

Nancy says I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE
WHO GETS UP IN THE MORNING
AND SAYS, OH, MY GOD,
I MISS THE OCEAN,
I'VE GOT TO GO BACK.
I'M NOT REALLY
LIKE THAT.
BUT I'VE HAD A LITTLE MORE
FOCUS ON MY MARITIME ROOTS
AND PERFORMING DOWN THERE,
BECAUSE I HAVE MY MANAGER,
CAMPBELL WEBSTER, LIVES IN
CHARLOTTETOWN, WHICH IS ODD,
BUT THAT'S JUST
THE WAY IT IS.
HE'S NOT EVEN A MARITIMER,
BUT HE'S LIVING THERE.
SO, I TEND TO WORK THERE
MORE OFTEN NOW
BECAUSE HE HAS
THE CONTACTS.
SO, I'M KIND OF LIKE A
BORN-AGAIN MARITIMER IN A WAY.

Richard says IT'S INTERESTING, IT'S
CALLED
GAELIC ENVY
AND OTHER TORCH SONGS.
AND IT'S ABOUT VARIOUS ITEMS
THAT I THINK NANCY WHITE
BURNS ABOUT AND
HAS PASSION ABOUT.
AND THEY SAY, NOTHING
IS EVER SAID IN JEST
WITHOUT REALITY
UNDERNEATH IT.
AND STARTING WITH
THE GAELIC THING,
I START TO WONDER
IF YOU FEEL, GEE,
THERE'S A TRAIN GOING BY
THAT I COULD'VE BEEN ON,
AND I'M NOT ON IT.

Nancy says AH, YES, INDEED.
THERE IS A THREAD OF...
THERE'S A WANNABE QUALITY
ON THIS ALBUM, I THINK.
IT IS JUST A BUNCH
OF SONGS, OF COURSE,
AND WE WERE GOING TO
CALL IT NANCY'S VARIETY.
BUT ONCE YOU DO IT, THEN
YOU HAVE TO FIND A THREAD
BECAUSE PEOPLE
WONDER, I SUPPOSE.
THERE'S THE WANNABE FRENCH
ASPECT OF MY PERSONALITY.
THERE IS A SONG
CALLED “UN PEU COCHON”
WHICH HAS A
SIMULTANEOUS TRANSLATION.

Richard says YOU'RE SINGING LIKE THE
SPIRIT OF EDITH PIAF
ENTERING YOUR BODY AND
BOB DOES THE TRANSLATION,
AND IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW
FRENCH GUYS DON'T LIKE
TO WASH MUCH WHEN
THEY HAVE ROMANCE.

Nancy says WELL, SORT OF, YEAH.
A FRENCH GUY SAID TO ME,
NANCY, L'AMOUR DOIT ETRE,
POUR UN FRANCAIS, UN PEU
COCHON - LOVE MUST BE A
LITTLE BIT PIGGY.
SO, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT
THIS SONG IS ABOUT.

Richard says BUT YOU SAY YOU LIKE
TO SHOWER BEFORE
AND AFTER AND DURING.

[laughing]

Nancy says EXACTLY, THAT'S THE
CONTRAST BETWEEN
THE HOT PASSIONS OF
FRENCHNESS AND
THE SORT OF PRUDISH,
ENGLISH GIRL.

Richard says THE OTHER CONTRAST...
IT'S INTERESTING,
THE COVER OF THE ALBUM
FEATURES YOU WITH RINGS IN
VARIOUS AREAS ON YOUR
FACE, WHICH THE PUBLIC
CAN SEE YOU DON'T HAVE.
“PIERCED MATRON,” I
BELIEVE, IS THE NAME OF IT.
DID YOU EVER SIT
THERE ALSO AND SAY...
NOT I WISH I WAS, BUT MAYBE
I OUGHT TO BE ON THAT CUTTING
EDGE AND BE DEFACING MYSELF
WITH LITTLE ITEMS OF METAL?

Nancy says YEAH.
YEAH, THERE'S A REGRET; IT
WOULD BE NICE TO BE 20 YEARS
OLD AND HAVE A LOT OF
PIERCINGS AND SOME TATTOOS
AND BE HIP AND GO TO
THE BAMBOO CLUB
AND STAY OUT ALL NIGHT.
YOU CAN'T DO THESE THINGS
WHEN YOU'RE MIDDLE AGED
WITH A COUPLE OF KIDS.
SO, THERE'S A
NOSTALGIA FROM THAT,
AND THAT CLAPPING SONG
FROM GROWNUPS IS SORT OF,
WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO BE A
NINE-YEAR-OLD CHILD CLAPPING
IN THE PLAYGROUND?
AND THEN THERE'S A
SPANISH SONG TOO;
THERE'S “GRACIAS A LA VIDA,”
FROM MY WANTING
TO BE LATIN AMERICAN.
AND THEN THE LOVE SONGS.

Richard says THERE'S THAT INTERESTING
ONE YOU SAID YOU WROTE
FOR A MOVIE, AND IT'S
A VERY LOVELY SONG.
WHAT WAS THE FILM?

Nancy says I GUESS I CAN TALK
ABOUT THIS, WHY NOT?
BECAUSE I RAN INTO KATIE
MALLOCH DOWN AT THE CBC
OPEN HOUSE THE OTHER DAY,
AND SHE'S MARRIED TO
PAUL COWAN, AND HE WAS A
PRODUCER OF THE FILM.
SO, I GAVE HER THE
TAPE TO GIVE TO HIM,
BECAUSE THE FILM WAS ABOUT
ROBERT CAMPEAU, YOU SEE.
AND THEY REALLY WANTED TO
FOCUS - NONE OF MY SONGS
ENDED UP IN THE
FILM, AND IN FACT,
THEY ENDED UP NOT
USING THE MUSIC AT ALL.
WHICH I FEEL A
LITTLE BIT BAD ABOUT,
BUT IT WAS A
DOCUMENTARY ABOUT HIM.
AND THEY REALLY WANTED TO
FOCUS ON HIS FINANCIAL
DEALINGS, BUT I FOUND
READING HIS BIOGRAPHY
THAT HIS ROMANTIC LIFE
WAS QUITE FASCINATING,
BECAUSE HE WAS MARRIED TO
HIS HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEART
AND THEY HAD
SEVERAL CHILDREN,
AND APPARENTLY IT
WAS A HAPPY MARRIAGE.
AND THEN ONE DAY, THIS WOMAN
WALKED INTO HIS OFFICE
TO APPLY FOR A JOB, AND BOOM,
HE HAD THE COEUR DE FOUDRE,
HE FELL IN LOVE,
BIG TIME.
AND HE ENDED UP NOT
ONLY SEEING HER,
BUT SETTING HER
UP IN A HOUSEHOLD,
AND HE WAS BACK AND FORTH
BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSEHOLDS
FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS
BEFORE HIS WIFE
FOUND OUT WHAT
WAS HAPPENING.
AND THEY EVENTUALLY
DIVORCED,
AND HE'S STILL WITH
THE SECOND WOMAN.
SO, OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS THE
GREAT LOVE OF HIS LIFE.
SO, THE SONG IS ABOUT
HOW - OBVIOUSLY,
THAT GREAT LOVE DESTROYED
A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE;
HIS FIRST WIFE
MUST HAVE BEEN...

Richard says BUT YET YOU SAID YOU FELT
YOU HAD TO WRITE ABOUT IT.

Nancy says I WROTE ABOUT
IT FOR THE FILM.
I WAS WRITING ABOUT WHAT
I FOUND INTERESTING.

Richard says BUT IT STUCK WITH YOU
FOR ALL THESE YEARS.

Nancy says THEN I ENDED UP WITH A
SONG THAT I REALLY LIKED;
I JUST CHANGED THE PRONOUNS
AND SANG IT MYSELF.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY, “SHE'S
THE ONE,” AND NOW IT'S,
“HE'S THE ONE.”
I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD
SEND IT TO ROBERT CAMPEAU;
MAYBE HE'D LIKE IT AND GET
ME A HOUSE OR SOMETHING.

Richard says WHY NOT?

Nancy says PERHAPS I WOULD.

Richard says THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE
IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND
OF SONG THAN WE
IMAGINE YOU WRITING.
IT'S NOT A SITE-SPECIFIC
SONG; IT'S A CHARACTER SONG.
IS THERE A MUSICAL
LURKING AROUND THERE?

Nancy says IT'S FUNNY YOU
SHOULD SAY THAT,
I'M COLLABORATING ON A
MUSICAL WITH BOB JOHNSTON,
WHO PRODUCED THE ALBUM AND
HAS PLAYED PIANO WITH ME
FOR YEARS, AND A GUY NAMED
JEFF HOCHHAUSER FROM NEW YORK.
AND WE ARE WORKING
ON A MUSICAL,
AS A MATTER OF FACT.

Richard says WHAT'S IT ABOUT?

Nancy says WELL, I ALWAYS FEEL IT'S BAD
LUCK TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS.
YOU'RE WORKING ON A
MUSICAL TOO, ARE YOU NOT?
AND YOU'RE WORKSHOPPING IN
CHARLOTTETOWN, RIGHT, YEAH?
WELL, WE WERE
HOPING TO DO THAT,
BUT BECAUSE MIKE HARRIS
HAS CUT BACK THE GRANT
TO CHARLOTTETOWN - IT'S
AMAZING HOW THE LONG ARM OF
MIKE HARRIS REACHES OUT INTO OUR
LIVES AND JUST SHATTERS US
IN SO MANY WAYS.
BECAUSE THE ONTARIO
GRANT IS CUT OFF,
WE CAN'T DO A
WORKSHOP THIS SUMMER.
SO, MAYBE ANOTHER YEAR,
OR MAYBE ANOTHER PLACE.
THERE'S A THEATRE
IN CONNECTICUT.

Richard says SO, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE
TO GET TO PROMO IT.

Nancy says YEAH...

Richard says JUST TEASE US A BIT.

Nancy says IT'S...
I'LL TELL YOU LATER.

[laughing]

Richard says OH, COME ON, YOU
CAN'T DO THAT.

Nancy says SURE, I CAN.

Richard says JUST THEMATICALLY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO PLOT,
BUT I'M CURIOUS WHAT FINALLY
BROUGHT YOU TO THE MAT,
WANTING TO WRITE A BOOK.

Nancy says IT'S NOT MY
PROJECT AT ALL.
IT'S BOB AND JEFF,
THEY HAD A PROJECT,
AND THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD
BRING ME IN AS A THIRD WRITER,
BECAUSE OF MY ABILITY
TO WRITE VERY FAST
AND MY LYRIC
STRENGTH, I GUESS.
SO, JEFF DID THE BOOK AND
BOB AND I ARE DOING THE MUSIC.

Richard says AND DO YOU LIKE WORKING LIKE THAT?

Nancy says SURE; COLLABORATION IS
A THING I'M NOT
THAT FAMILIAR WITH.
I'VE WRITTEN SONGS WITH
PEOPLE - FOR INSTANCE,
“PIERCED MATRON,” I WROTE
THE LYRICS AND DOUG WILDE
DID THE MUSIC.
THAT'S MY EX, AS
A MATTER OF FACT.
HE'S NOT MY EX BECAUSE I
ASKED HIM TO WRITE MUSIC
FOR THIS SONG; THERE
WERE OTHER PROBLEMS.
SO, I HAVE COLLABORATED,
BUT IN MY MANY CASES,
I HAVE GIVEN LYRICS TO
SOMEBODY ELSE TO WRITE
A TUNE, BUT TO SIT DOWN
AND WRITE WITH PEOPLE
IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
ALTHOUGH, IN THIS CASE,
WE'RE DIVIDING IT UP.
I'M WRITING SOME SONGS,
BOB IS WRITING SOME SONGS,
BUT WE ARE DOING
SOME COLLABORATION.
THAT'S ALWAYS A
HUMBLING PROCESS.

Richard says YOU SAY HUMBLING; WHY?

Nancy says BECAUSE YOU WRITE SOME
LINES AND PEOPLE DON'T
LIKE 'EM AND TOSS 'EM OUT
AND PUT THEIR LINES IN,
AND VICE VERSA.
I THINK PEOPLE WHO DO IT
ALL THE TIME SAID
THEY ALWAYS END UP
WITH BETTER SONGS.

Richard says ALL THOSE YEARS YOU WERE
DOING STUFF FOR CBC,
DID THEY CENSOR YOU
OR COLLABORATE YOU?
DID THEY SAY, NO, NANCY,
YOU CAN'T DO THAT,
OR, I WISH YOU
WOULDN'T SAY THIS?

Nancy says MY PRODUCER FOR MOST OF
THOSE TIMES WAS THE LOVELY
AND TALENTED IVAN FECAN,
THE MOST RUTHLESS MAN
IN SHOW BUSINESS.
SO, IVAN WOULD ALWAYS SAY,
NO, YOU CAN BE MEANER!
CAN'T YOU BE
MEANER, COME ON!
AND HE WOULD NEVER LET
ME REPEAT ANYTHING;
I NEVER HAD CHORUSES
ON THOSE SONGS.
THEY HAD TO JUST BE VERY
THICK WITH DETAILS.

Richard says VERSE, VERSE,
VERSE, VERSE, VERSE.

Nancy says ONCE IN A WHILE, THERE
WOULD BE A SONG THAT THEY
WOULD CHECK WITH
THE CBC LAWYERS,
JUST FOR
QUESTIONS OF LIBEL.
BUT I HAVE A SELF-CENSORING
MECHANISM THAT'S
PRETTY EFFECTIVE,
I THINK.
I DON'T THINK I
CROSS A LOT OF LINES.

Richard says THE NANCY WHITE
SELF-CENSORING MECHANISM,
DOES THAT EXTEND INTO...
I'M LOOKING BACK TO
YOUR ALBUM BEFORE THIS
MOMNIPOTENT
WHERE YOU WENT
ON ABOUT THE WHOLE PARENTAL
THING, AND IT TOUCHED
A GREAT MANY CHORDS
WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND I LOVED IT, AND IT WAS
BEING PASSED AROUND
MY NEIGHBOURHOOD; EVERYBODY
USED TO LISTEN TO IT.
AND I KEPT SAYING, GEE,
THERE'S NOTHING DARKER
IN THE ALBUM.
WAS THAT A
DELIBERATE CHOICE,
OR DO YOU JUST
NEVER THINK DARK?

Nancy says OH, I THINK DARK, BUT I
THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE HANDLING THE DARK SIDE
REALLY WELL WITHOUT ME.
KURT COBAIN
CAN DO IT.

Richard says LEONARD COHEN, HE'LL
NEVER COME BY.

Nancy says LEONARD COHEN, EXACTLY.
BUT I THINK OF MYSELF AS
A BIT OF A LIGHTWEIGHT.
NOW, TELL ME WHAT YOU
THINK OF THIS IDEA,
BECAUSE YOU WOULD
PROBABLY LIKE IT.
BUT I WANTED TO CALL THIS
ALBUM AT ONE POINT...
TITLES FOR AN ALBUM ARE
VERY DIFFICULT, RIGHT,
AS YOU KNOW,
LIKE ANY SHOW.
ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES IT'S
EASY;
MOMNIPOTENT
WAS EASY,
IT JUST CAME TO ME.
BUT FOR THIS ONE
IT WAS TOUGH,
BECAUSE IT'S NOT
REALLY A COMEDY ALBUM,
AND IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT
ALBUM, IT'S A MIXTURE.
AND WE WANTED TO
SOMEHOW CONVEY THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY I ADDED,
AND OTHER TORCH SONGS,
TO THE GAELIC
ENVY TITLE.
BECAUSE I LOVED THE
GAELIC ENVY TITLE,
BUT SOME PEOPLE WERE
THINKING IT WOULD BE
A TOTALLY CELTIC ALBUM, WHICH
IT ISN'T AT ALL, OF COURSE.
BUT I THOUGHT, IF I WANTED
TO CALL IT A TALENT
TO AMUSE, FROM THE
NOEL COWARD SONG.
BECAUSE I FEEL THAT'S WHAT I
HAVE, IS A TALENT TO AMUSE.
I DON'T HAVE A TALENT TO
MOVE OR CHANGE THINGS,
BUT I CAN MAKE PEOPLE
LAUGH AND HAVE FUN.

Richard says NOW, COWARD IN THAT
PARTICULAR LYRIC
IS WISTFUL ABOUT IT.
HE SAID, I BELIEVE THAT
SINCE MY LIFE BEGAN,
THE MOST I'VE HAD IS JUST
THE TALENT TO AMUSE.

Nancy says AND I AM WISTFUL
TOO, OF COURSE.
I SOMETIMES FEEL THAT
I HAVE A POTENTIAL
THAT I'VE NEVER REALIZED.
PERHAPS I COULD DO
SOMETHING LONGER,
WRITE A NOVEL OR SHORT
STORIES OR SOMETHING.
BUT I'M NOT FOCUSED ENOUGH
AND I'M NOT DRIVEN ENOUGH.
AND NOW THAT I
HAVE CHILDREN,
I'M NOT DRIVEN AT ALL; I
JUST WANT TO GET THROUGH
THE DAY WITHOUT
SMASHING ANYBODY.
I'M EXAGGERATING
HERE, BUT...

Richard says DO YOU EVER WRITE THE SONGS
AND THEN LET NO ONE HEAR THEM?

Nancy says OH, I'VE WRITTEN LOTS OF
SONGS PEOPLE DON'T HEAR, SURE.
POOR ME SONGS AND SONGS
ABOUT LOVE AFFAIRS THAT
WENT BAD, SONGS THAT
ARE TOO PERSONAL.

Richard says NOW, YOU SEEM SCORNFUL.

Nancy says OH, I'M NOT, NO, THAT'S WHAT I LISTEN TO.

Richard says BUT THERE'S THE SONG
ON THE ALBUM ABOUT,
HE KEEPS WRITING
ABOUT HIS GIRLFRIEND.

Nancy says YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT
SOMEBODY ELSE,
A SONGWRITER I KNOW WHO SAID
THAT HE HAD A GIRLFRIEND
WHO ACTUALLY LEFT HIM BECAUSE
HE WROTE SO MUCH ABOUT HER.

Richard says AND HE TRIES TO CHANGE HER
NATIONALITY, OR HER RACE,
AND THINGS SO PEOPLE
WON'T NOTICE.

Nancy says SO, THERE ARE SOME
SONGS THAT ARE A LITTLE
TOO PERSONAL, OR TOO
WHINY, IF YOU WILL.
WHINY IS GOOD IF
YOU'RE IN ROCK AND YOU
HAVE A REALLY BIG BAND.
BUT I DON'T THINK...
THE LAST GUY I WENT OUT
WITH WAS LIKE IN 1992,
AND I'M IN A
DESERT HERE.
AND HE LEFT ME FOR
A YOUNGER WOMAN,
AND I WAS CERTAINLY
DEVASTATED AND BITTER,
AND I WROTE LOTS OF
SONGS ABOUT THAT.
BUT I'M NOT SINGING THEM
BECAUSE WHO CARES ABOUT...
UNLESS YOU CAN WRITE A GREAT
SONG ABOUT THAT SITUATION.
BUT I'M WHINY
ENOUGH AS IT IS.
ONCE I WAS SINGING
IN BOBBIN'S IN A CLUB
YEARS AGO, WHEN I
USED TO PLAY CLUBS,
AND I WAS GOING ON AND
ON ABOUT THIS AND THAT.
AND SOMEBODY YELLED TO ME
FROM THE AUDIENCE,
HEY, NANCY, IS THERE
ANYTHING YOU LIKE?
ISN'T THAT AWFUL?

Richard says REALLY?

Nancy says YES!
I THOUGHT,
RAINDROPS AND ROSES,
AND WHISKERS ON KITTENS?
WARM WOOLEN MITTENS?

Richard says THAT'S INTERESTING; SEE,
WHAT I FIND REVEALING ABOUT
YOUR NUMBERS IS THAT THEY
GO ALONG AND EVERYTHING
IS AMUSING AND
INTERESTING OR CHARMING.
BUT AT ONE END IS THE
ABSURDITY OF IT ALL.
YOU LOOK AT THE
EXTREME CASE OF - LIKE,
GAELIC ENVY
BEGINS
WITH YOU SAYING,
IF ONLY GRANNY HAD TOLD ME
WHAT ALL THOSE DIRTY WORDS
REALLY WERE, I'D
BE A STAR TODAY.
ONE SIDE OF YOU IS MOCKING
THE WHOLE GAELIC TRADITION,
AND PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW ARE
NOT THAT GAELIC, RIGHT?
BUT THEN THE OTHER
SIDE OF YOU IS SAYING,
IT WAS A TRAIN THAT
I COULD'VE BEEN ON.
DO YOU DELIBERATELY
DO THAT TUG BOTH WAYS,
OR DOES THAT JUST
COME OUT OF YOU?

Nancy says WELL, I DON'T KNOW.
“GAELIC ENVY” IS A
VERY SINCERE SONG,
BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER
DID SPEAK GAELIC,
AND MY GRANDFATHER DID HAVE
A FIDDLE HANGING ON THE WALL.
THE ONLY TIME I WISHED I'D
HAD MORE CHILDREN WAS ONE
OF THE FIRST TIMES I SAW
LEAHY AND THEY WERE ALL OUT,
AND I THOUGHT, GOD,
I HAVE TWO KIDS.
MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE MORE
AND WE COULD HAVE A BAND.
AND, OF COURSE, I HAVE
TWO KIDS AND THEY'RE
VERY MUSICAL, BUT WE
HAVE NO DISCIPLINE.
THE LEAHYS, THEY WEREN'T
ALLOWED TO WATCH TV
AND THEIR DAD JUST STOOD OVER
THEM AND MADE THEM PRACTICE.
I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT
KIND OF DISCIPLINE.

Richard says YOU SAID THE WHITE FAMILY
SOUNDS LIKE A STATEMENT?

Nancy says YEAH, IT'S A
VERY AWKWARD NAME.

Richard says WELCOME TO THE WHITE FAMILY.

[chuckling]

Nancy says MY LITTLE BROTHER,
WOODY, PLAYS BASS,
SO WHEN I WORK IN THE
MARITIMES HE PLAYS WITH ME.
SO, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE WE'RE
THE POOR MAN'S RANKINS,
ME AND MY BROTHER.

Richard says MINI RANKINS.

Nancy says MINI RANKINS, AND MY LITTLE
GIRLS SING WITH ME OCCASIONALLY.
SO, I DIDN'T MEAN TO
SKIRT YOUR QUESTION.
WELL, DIGRESSION
ARE US.
THAT'S MY BIG PROBLEM, IN
MY LIFE AND IN MY WRITING
AND WHEN I'M ON STAGE.

Richard says THE THING IS, YOU
DON'T SIT DOWN AND
CONSCIOUSLY DO THAT;
IT JUST COMES OUT.

Nancy says NO, AND SOMETIMES I'LL
CONSCIOUSLY SIT DOWN
TO WRITE A SERIOUS SONG AND
THEN THERE'LL BE A GOOFY
RHYME IN IT THAT'LL TURN
INTO A GOOFIER SONG.
SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS.

Richard says IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE
YOU TOSS OFF - A FEW MINUTES
AGO, YOU SAID, I HAD THIS
LAST RELATIONSHIP AND HE
LEFT ME FOR A YOUNGER WOMAN,
BUT OF COURSE I WOULDN'T
WRITE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE
THAT WOULD BE WHINY.
BUT THEN, IF YOU LOOK AT
SOMETHING EVEN LIKE
A HUMOROUS NUMBER
ON THE ALBUM,
LIKE THE “CLAPPING
SONG FOR GROWN-UPS.”
YOU'VE GOT STUFF LIKE, WHERE
THE HELL DID I PUT MY GLASSES?
WHAT A SORRY MESS
MY ASS IS.

Nancy says YES, THAT'S ABOUT BECOMING
MIDDLE AGED, AND YEAH, SURE.

Richard says I COULD GO TO THE GYM AND
STAND RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM
AND HE'D NEVER NOTICE ME.

Nancy says BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE
A MIDDLE-AGED WOMAN,
YOU DO DISAPPEAR,
IT'S AMAZING.
OF COURSE, WHEN
YOU GET OLDER,
THEN YOU REALLY
DISAPPEAR.
ONCE YOU GET INTO
YOUR MIDDLE 40s...
LAST YEAR, I WAS IN LITTLE
ITALY, FOR HEAVEN SAKES,
AND I WAS WEARING SHORTS
AND A LITTLE TANK TOP
T-SHIRT AND I WALKED PAST
ABOUT THREE OR FOUR CAFES.
I WASN'T TESTING, I WAS
JUST GOING SOMEWHERE.
BUT I NOTICED AT THE
END OF THAT, HEY,
I CAN WALK THROUGH
LITTLE ITALY.

Richard says CONSTRUCTION WORKERS DON'T SAY ANYTHING.

Nancy says AND NOBODY
EVEN LOOKS UP.
THEY LOOK AT ME
WHEN I'M ON STAGE,
BECAUSE I'M HAVING THE FOCUS
AND I HAVE A TALENT TO AMUSE.
BUT IF I WERE JUST DOING
THE STRAIGHTER SONGS,
JUST TORCH SONGS AND STUFF,
MY CAREER WOULD PROBABLY
BE A LITTLE SHORTER.
IF YOU DO COMEDY, YOU DON'T
HAVE TO BE GLAMOROUS
AND THIN FOREVER.
PERHAPS IT'S JUST AS WELL,
BUT IT IS A DEMORALIZING
STAGE OF LIFE FOR A
LOT OF WOMEN, IT IS.

Richard says I SOMETIMES SIT
THERE AND SAY, GEE,
PAUL MCCARTNEY IS OVER 50,
AND BARBRA STREISAND IS OVER 50.
IS 50...
WELL, IT'S INTERESTING ERIKA
RITTER AND I WERE HAVING A
CONVERSATION, WE WERE TRYING
TO CATCH UP WITH EACH OTHER
AFTER A BUNCH OF YEARS...

Nancy says SEE, PEOPLE USED TO
MISTAKE US FOR EACH OTHER,
WHEN I HAD MORE HAIR.

Richard says AND SHE SAID, RICHARD,
I'VE FORGOTTEN: WHICH SIDE
OF THE LINE ARE YOU ON?
AND I KNEW INSTANTLY
SHE MEANT 50,
BECAUSE THE BOOMERS,
AGAIN, HAVE DEFINED
EVERY GENERATION.
FIRST, IT WAS, DON'T TRUST
ANYONE OVER 30, RIGHT?
AND THEN IT WAS,
WAIT 'TIL YOU'RE 40.
WELL, NOW IT'S 50.
DO YOU FEEL THAT'S THAT KIND
OF BIG DEMARCATION POINT NOW?

Nancy says I GUESS IT IS, SADLY.
AND IT IS SHIFTING BECAUSE
OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
I HAVE A SONG ABOUT
DEMOGRAPHICS, ACTUALLY,
AND DAVID IS PUTTING IT
IN THE BOOKS-ON-TAPE
VERSION OF HIS...

Richard says BOOM BUST?

Nancy says YES, YES.
PERHAPS BECAUSE WORKING ON
THAT SONG AND READING
THAT BOOK, I'M A LITTLE MORE
CONSCIOUS OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS.
I TELL YOU WHAT DRIVES
ME TO DISTRACTION,
IS THAT AD FOR THAT
INSURANCE COMPANY THAT SAYS,
IT'S OKAY TO BE 50.
WHICH IS THE MOST
PATRONIZING...
I WOULDN'T CARE IF THEY
WOULD GIVE ME INSURANCE
FOR 5 dollars A YEAR, THERE WAS
NO WAY I WOULD DEAL
WITH THAT COMPANY.
I WAS RAGING ABOUT THEM.

Richard says WHAT ENRAGES YOU ABOUT THAT?

Nancy says BECAUSE IT'S PATRONIZING.
IT'S LIKE, NOBODY WOULD SAY,
IT'S OKAY TO BE A WOMAN.
BUT IT'S OKAY; WHY
WOULDN'T IT BE OKAY?
IT HAPPENS TO EVERYONE
WHO'S LUCKY ENOUGH TO SURVIVE.
BUT IT IS SO
PATRONIZING; IT'S AWFUL.
AS IF IT'S NOT OKAY, IT'S
AN EMBARRASSING THING.
BUT FOR OUR INSURANCE
COMPANY, IT'S OKAY -
OH, IT'S JUST HORRIBLE.

Richard says BACK TO, THE PEOPLE WE
HAVEN'T MENTIONED YET,
ALTHOUGH THEY FEATURE AROUND
IN THE PERIPHERY HERE -
THE CHILDREN - WRITING AN
ALBUM LIKE
MOMNIPOTENT,
WHICH IS ABOUT GOING THROUGH
THE WHOLE BIRTH THING
AND THE EARLY STAGES.
BUT I ALWAYS FIND
INTERESTING,
THAT'S STILL OUT THERE,
PEOPLE ARE STILL
LISTENING TO IT.
THE KIDS ARE OLDER.
DO THEY EVER FEEL ODD HAVING
BEEN THE SUBJECT OF THAT STUFF?
IT'S LIKE SHOWING BABY
PICTURES OF THEM NAKED,
ISN'T IT, TO STRANGERS?

Nancy says I HAVE TWO GIRLS.
THEY'RE NOW 12 AND 9,
AND THEY SOMETIMES SING
WITH ME ONSTAGE; THEY
LIKE TO DO THAT.
BUT THEY DON'T REALLY LIKE
MY STUFF ALL THAT MUCH,
SO THEY DON'T
LISTEN TO IT MUCH.
NO, THEY DON'T REALLY.

Richard says WHO DO THEY LISTEN TO?

Nancy says THE YOUNGER ONE LISTENS TO
HANSON AND THE SPICE GIRLS.
AND THE OLDER ONE LISTENS
TO ALANIS MORISSETTE
AND NO DOUBT AND
SAVAGE GARDEN.
THEY'RE NOT INTO THE
GRUNGY STUFF, FORTUNATELY,
SO I STILL LIKE WHAT THEY
LIKE, WHICH IS NICE.
BUT THEY DON'T
LIKE WHAT I LIKE.
THEY DON'T LIKE COUNTRY,
THEY DON'T LIKE
FRED J. EAGLESMITH, WHICH
IS MY VERY FAVOURITE.
HOW CAN THEY NOT?
THEY SAY, MOMMY, WHY IS HE
ALWAYS WRITING ABOUT TRAINS?

[laughing]

Richard says HOW DO THEY FEEL ABOUT THE
STUFF FROM THE PAST THOUGH?

Nancy says THE STUFF THAT'S
ABOUT THEM?
OH, I THINK THEY GET
A KICK OUT OF IT.
I THINK THEY LIKE - THERE'S
A SONG “MEMO TO DROOLA.”
THAT ACTUALLY HAS
SUSANNA CRYING ON IT.
IT'S HER SACRED
LITTLE VOICE.
SHE WAS IN THE BOOTH WITH ME
WHEN I WAS DOING THE VOCAL
AND I WAS GOING TO
RE-DO THE VOCAL.
BUT SHE BURST INTO
TEARS RIGHT AT THE END;
HER TIMING WAS EXQUISITE,
AND WE LEFT IT IN.
SO, NOW I HAVE MY BABY'S
CRY ON THAT ALBUM.

Richard says AND THAT'S IMMORTALIZED THERE.

Nancy says I THINK THEY LIKE IT.
AND I HAD BEEN - I'VE
STOPPED DOING IT,
BUT FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS I
A CERTAIN RIGHT-WING TABLOID
THAT DOES NOT REFLECT
MY POLITICS, PLEASE, BUT IT
REFLECTS MY NEED TO MAKE MONEY.
AND ALSO, I LOVED
HAVING A COLUMN;
I REALLY ENJOYED
HAVING THAT COLUMN.
BUT I TALKED ABOUT THE
GIRLS A LOT IN THAT COLUMN;
I CALLED ONE OF THEM
DROOLA, AND THE OTHER
ONE NUTRASWEET.
THEY'RE IN UTERO NAMES, AND
THEY GOT QUITE A KICK OUT
OF THAT; THEY LIKE THAT.

Richard says SO, THEY DON'T MIND THAT.

Nancy says NO, NOT YET, BUT I
THINK THEY SOON WILL.
AND PEOPLE SAY, YOU'RE
NOT WRITING ANY SONGS
ABOUT THE KIDS NOW.
AND I KIND OF FEEL LIKE I
CAN'T, BECAUSE THEY KNOW;
THEY'RE AROUND.
AND THEY MIGHT BE
EMBARRASSED, AND OF COURSE,
PEOPLE WOULD REALLY LIKE
ME TO WRITE AN ALBUM
ABOUT ADOLESCENCE, BUT I
DOUBT I'LL BE DOING THAT.

Richard says IS THAT FEAR OF YOUR LIFE?

Nancy says YEAH, YEAH.

Richard says LOOKING BACK ON THE
NANCY WHITE CAREER,
HOW DO YOU FEEL?
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A
WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE
WHO KNOW YOU AND LIKE
YOU AND LIKE YOUR WORK.
BUT DID YOU EVER WISH THAT
ANY OF YOUR ALBUMS
HAD BROKEN OUT TO
CELINE DION COUNTRY,
EVEN THOUGH HUMOUR
DOESN'T DO THAT?

Nancy says YEAH, OH, CERTAINLY,
ABSOLUTELY.
THE CBC AUDIENCE
IS VERY SMALL,
PARTICULARLY IN TORONTO.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY SMALL,
AND EVEN THE CBC AUDIENCE,
I WAS AT THE OPEN HOUSE AND
NOBODY RECOGNIZED ME;

Richard says BUT IF YOU SANG, THEY'D KNOW YOU.

Nancy says YEAH, WELL, SURE.
IF YOU DO A LOT OF RADIO,
PEOPLE AREN'T GOING
TO RECOGNIZE YOU.
I'VE HAD AN
INTERESTING CAREER,
AND IT'S BEEN REALLY QUIRKY,
AND IT'S BEEN KIND OF FUN.
I DID SOME CONCERTS WITH
SYMPHONY ORCHESTRAS WHILE
I WAS DOING
SUNDAY MORNING
AND THAT WAS VERY THRILLING.
BUT, OF COURSE, THE
MAINSTREAM IS THE MAINSTREAM.
YOU CAN MAKE A BETTER LIVING
OR YOU CAN MAKE A BAD LIVING.
IF YOU'RE IN, SAY, A ROCK
BAND AND YOU RISE TO SORT OF
THE MIDDLE, YOU SPEND
SO MUCH MONEY DOING IT,
INVESTING IN EQUIPMENT,
AND YOU MAKE AN ALBUM.
AND IT'S YEARS BEFORE
YOU SEE ANY MONEY FROM
THAT ALBUM, SO IT'S NOT
NECESSARILY FINANCIALLY
GREAT, UNLESS YOU
BECOME A STAR.
IT'S LIKE BEING
A BALLET DANCER;
IF YOU BECOME A GREAT
STAR, YOU CAN MAKE A
DECENT LIVING, I SUPPOSE.
BUT IF YOU'RE IN
THE COURT OF BALLET,
YOU'RE SO BADLY PAID,
AND YET YOU'RE DOING
SOMETHING THAT'S SO AMAZING.

Richard says AND YET, YOU DON'T HAVE A
RECORD COMPANY SAYING TO YOU,
NANCY, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A
HIT - WHERE'S A HOOKY
BALLAD ON THIS
ALBUM, RIGHT?

Nancy says THAT WOULD BE GREAT THOUGH.

Richard says BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU
DON'T HAVE A RECORD COMPANY
PUTTING A MEGA-PROMOTIONAL
THING OUT EITHER.

Nancy says I'M WITH BOREALIS.
I'VE HAD DIFFERENT RECORD
COMPANIES FOR EVERY RECORD,
ACTUALLY.
BUT BOREALIS IS
PUTTING THIS ONE OUT;
THAT'S A VERY FOLKY ALBUM,
WHICH IS INTERESTING.
AND THEY'RE PEOPLE I KNOW,
SO IT'S QUITE EXCITING
TO BE ON THAT LABEL.
BUT NO, THEY DON'T HAVE HUGE
RESOURCES FOR A BIG TOUR
OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, WE'RE JUST KIND OF DOING
IT IN BITS AND PIECES.

Richard says YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT GOING
TO DO AN ADOLESCENT ALBUM,
YOU'VE GOT A
MUSICAL OUT THERE.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU SEE
HAPPENING AS THESE YEARS
ARE STRETCHING AHEAD?
YOU SAID YOU WISH YOU
COULD WRITE A BOOK;
IS THERE ONE
LURKING IN THERE?

Nancy says NO, I DID A BOOK ONCE
CALLED
TOPICAL PUNCH,
WHICH WAS JUST A BOOK OF
LYRICS AND ANECDOTES.
NO, I DON'T THINK...
I DON'T HAVE THE PATIENCE
FOR THE LARGE FORUM, I THINK;
THE 2.5-MINUTE SONG
I CAN CARRY OFF.
I DON'T KNOW IF I
HAVE THAT MUCH TO SAY,
REALLY BEYOND...
WHEN I'VE DONE MY
2.5-MINUTE SONG,
QUITE OFTEN THAT'S ALL I
KNOW ABOUT THAT TOPIC.
AND OFTEN PEOPLE WILL
THINK OF ME AS BEING SOME
KIND OF POLITICAL ANIMAL,
BUT I'M NOT REALLY.
I LOOKED AT THAT STORY
IN
THE GLOBE AND MAIL
AND I WROTE A COMMENTARY
ON THAT STORY.
BUT I DIDN'T RESEARCH IT,
AND I DIDN'T INTERVIEW
PEOPLE IN COLUMNS, SO I'M
KIND OF A COMMENTATOR
ON WHAT'S ALREADY
THERE IN THE MEDIA.
IT'S LIMITED; IT'S KIND OF
LIKE, IT'S ALL THERE IS.

Richard says MAYBE THAT'S ALL THERE IS,
BUT IT'S SOMETHING
I HAVE ENJOYED TREMENDOUSLY
OVER THE YEARS,
AND I KNOW A
LOT OF US HAVE.
NANCY, KEEP DOING IT.
AND I WANT TO FIND OUT
ABOUT THAT MUSICAL LATER;
WE'LL GET TO
THAT AFTER.

Nancy says OKAY.

Richard says OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Nancy says THANKS A LOT.

Richard faces the screen and says
FOR DIALOGUE, I'M
RICHARD OUZOUNIAN.
GOODBYE FOR NOW.

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