Transcript: Show #188 "Teacher Trouble, The Sequel" | Mar 12, 2000

(music plays)

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians and demonstrations appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS
WEEK ON 4TH READING,
THE DISTANT SOUND
OF WAR DRUMS.
MORE MONEY FOR EDUCATION,
BUT TEACHERS SAY
THERE'S TROUBLE ON
THE HORIZON.

Steve, Ruth, Richard, Gina and a guest sit around a table in the shape of a number 4.

Steve is in his mid-thirties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray jacket over a light gray striped polo-shirt.

Steve says HI, EVERYBODY.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN
AND WELCOME
TO THIS WEEK'S EDITION
OF 4TH READING.
EDUCATION WARS.
IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE THIS
PROVINCE COULD TAKE ANYMORE
BUT THAT'S JUST
WHAT'S IN THE AIR
AFTER A NEW FUNDING
ANNOUNCEMENT THIS WEEK.
EDUCATION MINISTER
JANET ECKER IS GIVING
SCHOOL BOARDS ALMOST
200 MILLION DOLLARS MORE.

Janet Ecker is in her mid-forties with short blond hair and bangs. She wears glasses, a dark blazer over a white and blue blouse and a golden brooch.

Steve continues THE STICKLER, THOUGH, IN
RETURN SHE WANTS TEACHERS
SPENDING MORE TIME IN THE
CLASSROOM WITH LESS TIME
TO PREPARE FOR CLASSES THAN
THEY ARE ACCUSTOMED TO.
TEACHERS SAY THAT
WILL MEAN LAYOFFS.
IT'S THE OLD INSTRUCTIONAL
TIME ISSUE THAT SPARKED
THE FIRST PROVINCE-WIDE
TEACHER STRIKE IN ONTARIO
JUST TWO-AND-A-HALF
YEARS AGO.

A clip plays.

[clapping]
People sit in a massive political meeting.

Earl Manners speaks with the press. He’s in his mid-fifties with a beard and white hair.

Earl Manners: I BELIEVE
THAT WE NEGOTIATED FAIR,
COLLECTIVE AGREEMENTS TWO YEARS
AGO THAT MET THE REQUIREMENTS
OF BILL 160, THAT MET THE
DEFINITION OF INSTRUCTIONAL
TIME.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Earl Manners. Ontario Secondary School Teachers."

Earl continues AND I THINK
THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS
ARE POLITICAL RETRIBUTION
FOR THE EDUCATION COMMUNITY
WHO HAS NOT ACCEPTED WILLINGLY
ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT
THIS GOVERNMENT HAS IMPOSED
ON THE EDUCATION COMMUNITY
AND HAS HAD THE AUDACITY
TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE
THEY'VE MADE A
FEW MISTAKES.

The caption changes to "Janet Ecker. Minister of Education."

Janet addresses an audience and says I AM RELEASING THE DETAILS
OF STUDENT FOCUSED FUNDING
FOR ONTARIO'S ELEMENTARY
AND SECONDARY EDUCATION SYSTEM
FOR THE 2000-2001 SCHOOL
YEAR STARTING IN SEPTEMBER.
IN THE COMING SCHOOL
YEAR, ONTARIO'S OVERALL
INVESTMENT IN QUALITY
EDUCATION WILL INCREASE
AGAIN BY AN ESTIMATED
190 MILLION DOLLARS,
FROM 13.2 BILLION
IN '99-2000 TO
ALMOST 13.4 BILLION DOLLARS.
I ALSO HEARD A VERY CLEAR
MESSAGE FROM OUR EDUCATION
PARTNERS THAT THE
DEFINITION OF INSTRUCTIONAL
TIME HAD TO BE CLEAR
AND CONSISTENT,
ESPECIALLY AS IT APPLIED
TO SECONDARY SCHOOLS.
WE ARE THEREFORE PASSING
A NEW REGULATION
WHICH CLEARLY OUTLINES WHAT
IS AND IS NOT INCLUDED
IN THE CALCULATION OF
INSTRUCTIONAL TIME,
THE 12-50 MINUTES.

The caption changes to "Liz Sandals. Ontario Public School Board’ Association." Liz is in her sixties with short gray hair.

Talking to the press, Liz says THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE
ALLOWED IN THE DEFINITION
OF INSTRUCTIONAL TIME
RIGHT NOW WHICH WILL
NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE NEXT
COLLECTIVE AGREEMENT,
WHICH MEANS THAT - I MEAN
BASICALLY THE MESSAGE THAT
WE'RE RECEIVING TODAY IS
THAT THE GOVERNMENT
EXPECTS THE TEACHERS TO
TEACH MORE CLASSES.

Earl says I'D SAY THAT THE
ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY AMOUNTS
TO NOTHING MORE THAN A
STATEMENT BY THE MINISTER
TO KNUCKLE DOWN,
DO MORE WITH LESS,
AND IF YOU DON'T AS YOU'RE
TOLD, WE'LL GET EVEN.

Janet says IT IS MY EXPECTATION, AND
THE EXPECTATION OF PARENTS
AND STUDENTS THAT
EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES
CONTINUE TO BE PROVIDED
TO OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
IF THIS DOES NOT OCCUR
THEN THE GOVERNMENT
WILL HAVE NO OPTION BUT
TO TAKE FURTHER STEPS
TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER.

The caption changes to "Gerard Kennedy. Liberal Education Critic." Gerard is in his mid-thirties, clean-shaven with blond hair.

Gerard says THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF
A PHONEY WAR, ANYWAY.
I THINK THAT THE MINISTER
CAN'T HAVE IT ALL WAYS.
EITHER THERE'S MONEY IN
HERE FOR TEACHERS
OR THERE'S NOT, AND IT
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE IS.
THE MINISTER COULD
HAVE GOT LABOUR PEACE.
SHE COULD HAVE SOLVED
A LOT OF PROBLEMS
IN THE CLASSROOMS.
I THINK SHE'S BOUGHT
HERSELF SOME NEW PROBLEMS.

Janet says I AM LAUNCHING NO
WAR AGAINST ANYONE.

The caption changes to "Barbara Sargent. Ontario Teachers Federation." Barbara is in her late forties with short gray hair.

Barbara says THE TEACHERS ARE TIRED OF
FIGHTING, YEAH, THEY ARE.
AND THEY'VE TOLD US THAT OVER
THE LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY
CAN ONLY BE PUSHED SO FAR.

The caption changes to "Rosario Marchese. NDP Education Critic." Rosario is in his late forties, clean-shaven with receding black hair.

Rosario says YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE FEWER TEACHERS
TEACHING MORE STUDENTS.
IN ESSENCE, MORE AND MORE
TEACHERS WILL BE FIRED.
WE NEED MORE TEACHERS
TO REDUCE CLASS SIZE,
NOT FEWER TEACHERS
TEACHING MORE STUDENTS.

The clip ends.

Steve says WELL, HERE'S THE WOMAN WHO
MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT
AND NOW HAS TO DEAL
WITH THE WRATH
OF A 100,000
SECONDARY TEACHERS.
HERE'S JANET ECKER,
EDUCATION MINISTER
FOR THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO AND THE MPP
FOR PICKERING-AJAX-UXBRIDGE.
WELCOME, MINISTER, NICE
TO HAVE YOU BACK AT TVO.

Janet says NICE TO BE HERE.

Steve says YOU KNOW OUR
GANG OVER HERE.
FROM THE LAW FIRM
FRASER MILNER,
IN THE CAPITAL OF
OUR COUNTRY, OTTAWA,
HERE'S RICHARD MAHONEY,
A PAST PRESIDENT
OF THE ONTARIO LIBERALS.

Richard Mahoney is in his forties, clean-shaven with gray hair. He’s wearing a dark gray suit, bright blue shirt and dotted light orange tie.

Steve continues AND FORMER NDP CABINET
MINISTER RUTH GRIER,
WELCOME BACK, RUTH.
MISSED YOU LAST WEEK.

Ruth Grier is in her sixties, with short white hair. She’s wearing a dark gray blazer over a pink shirt, white earrings and matching brooch.

Steve continues AND GINA BRANNAN, FORMER
TORY POLICY ADVISER,
NOW A LAWYER.

Gina Brannan is in her forties with shoulder-length blond hair. She wears a striped black and orange jacket over a black shirt.

Steve continues IS THERE A RECOGNITION BY
VIRTUE OF THE FACT
THAT YOU'RE TOPPING THINGS
UP BY 200 MILLION DOLLARS ALMOST
THAT YOU UNDERFUNDED
THE SYSTEM IN THE PAST
AND THAT THIS IS A MEANS
TO RECTIFYING THAT?

Janet says NO.
THIS ISN'T THE FIRST
TIME THAT WE'VE
PUT MORE MONEY IN EDUCATION.
WE DESIGNED HOW WE FUND
EDUCATION TO INCREASE
WITH ENROLLMENT OR TO INCREASE
AS NEEDS WERE IDENTIFIED.
AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED
SOME ADDITIONAL NEEDS.
THERE'S BEEN AN
ENROLLMENT INCREASE.
WE'VE ALSO SAID WE
WANT TO INVEST IN WHAT
WE SEE AS STRATEGIC
QUALITY PRIORITIES,
AND WITH THIS
BALANCED PACKAGE,
IT'S VERY FAIR AND
VERY REASONABLE.
WE ARE INVESTING IN
STUDENTS IN THE CLASSROOM.
WE'RE INVESTING
IN TEACHERS.
WE'RE INVESTING IN SUPPORTS
FOR BOTH THE TEACHERS
AND STUDENTS, AND I THINK
IT'S A FAIR PACKAGE.

Steve says DO YOU WANT TO GIVE ME
A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES?
YOU SAID SOME STRATEGIC
PRIORITIES, LIKE WHAT?

Janet says WELL FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT WE SAID
WAS THAT SETTING HIGHER
STANDARDS SIMPLY
ISN'T GOING TO BE QUALITY
EDUCATION IF WE'RE NOT
HELPING OUR STUDENTS
MEET THOSE STANDARDS.
SO THERE IS A 25 MILLION DOLLARS
INVESTMENT FOR REMEDIAL
CLASSES AND OTHER SUPPORTS
FOR THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE
WHO MAY BE HAVING
DIFFICULTY WITH LITERACY
AND NUMERACY SKILLS.
SECONDLY, THE NEW TEACHER
ADVISORY PROGRAM,
WHICH WE ANNOUNCED
IN JANUARY OF 1998,
IS STARTING TO BE
IMPLEMENTED AND WE PUT AN
ADDITIONAL 64 MILLION DOLLARS
IN THERE TO ALLOW
THE BOARDS AND THE TEACHERS
TO GIVE THAT SERVICE
TO THOSE STUDENTS, AND ALSO,
I THINK IT'S A BIG STEP
FOR TEACHERS, IS THAT
WE'RE ALSO - THAT TEACHER
ADVISORY PROGRAM IS
INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION
OF INSTRUCTIONAL TIME
BECAUSE IT'S THAT QUALITY
THING BETWEEN A
TEACHER AND STUDENT.

Steve says WE'RE GOING TO GET TO
INSTRUCTIONAL TIME HERE.
SO THIS IS SUCH A GOOD
NEWS ANNOUNCEMENT.
EVERYBODY'S ON
SIDE, RIGHT?
WHO COULD BE
AGAINST THIS?

Janet says WELL FIRST THERE HASN'T
BEEN AN ANNOUNCEMENT,
WHETHER IT'S NEW MONEY OR
WHATEVER THE CHANGE
IS IN OUR GOVERNMENT'S HISTORY
WHERE THE EDUCATION SECTOR
HAS NOT - SOMEONE HAS
CRITICIZED AND I'VE
COME TO EXPECT THAT.
BUT THIS RESPONSE TO WHAT
WE HEARD FROM TEACHERS,
FROM PARENTS,
FROM STUDENTS,
IT MOVES FORWARD ON
THE QUALITY AGENDA.
IT PUTS MORE MONEY IN
THERE FOR TEACHERS.
I THINK THAT'S FAIR.
THERE'S ALSO MORE MONEY
THERE FOR STUDENTS.
THAT IS ALSO FAIR, AND I
THINK IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE
QUALITY EDUCATION.

Steve says LET'S GET TO SOME
DISCUSSION AROUND
THIS TABLE THEN ABOUT
INSTRUCTIONAL TIME,
WHICH IS AN ISSUE WHICH, AS
WE SAW IN THE BACKGROUND
PIECE, HAS A LOT OF
TEACHERS ALL OVER THIS
PROVINCE PRETTY UPSET
BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF TIME
THAT YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO
SPEND WITH THEIR STUDENTS
IN THE CLASSROOM
IS INCREASING.
THE AMOUNT OF TIME WHICH
YOU ARE ALLOWING THEM TO
PREPARE FOR THOSE LESSONS,
THEY SAY, IS DECREASING,
AND THEY'RE VERY
UPSET ABOUT THAT.

Janet says WELL, WE HAVEN'T CHANGED
BILL 160 ON 12-50.
THE STANDARD IS
STILL THE SAME.

Steve says DO THE TEACHERS
HAVE A RIGHT TO BE UPSET
ABOUT THIS, RUTH?

The caption changes to "Ruth Grier. Former NDP Cabinet Minister."

Ruth says I THINK THE TEACHERS
HAVE A RIGHT TO BE UPSET.
I MEAN, THE TEACHERS
RECOGNIZE THAT TEACHING IS
ABOUT MORE THAN HOW LONG
YOU'RE STANDING
IN FRONT OF A CLASS.
IT'S ABOUT DEALING WITH
THE STUDENTS AFTER CLASS,
BEFORE CLASS,
GIVING EXTRA HELP.
IT'S ABOUT PREPARING
FOR CLASSES,
AND CERTAINLY THE TEACHERS
FEEL THAT THAT'S NOT TAKEN
INTO ACCOUNT IN
THIS FORMULA.
I THINK THE OTHER REASON
THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE
UPSET IS THE DOUBLE - I
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT,
BUT I MEAN THE MINISTER AND
THE GOVERNMENT FREQUENTLY
SAYS, WELL, THE SCHOOL
BOARDS ARE OUT THERE.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY.
SO THE SCHOOL BOARDS DID A
LOT OF WHAT THE MINISTRY
ASKED THEM TO LAST YEAR,
THEN NEGOTIATED WITH
THEIR TEACHERS A WAY OF
IMPLEMENTING THE FORMULA.
AND NOW THEY'RE
BEING TOLD, OH, OH,
THAT'S NOT WHAT
WAS INTENDED.
WE'RE GOING TO
CHANGE IT AGAIN,
JUST AS THE SCHOOL BOARDS
AND THE TEACHERS
ARE SITTING DOWN TO
BARGAIN THE NEXT CONTRACT.

Steve says IS THERE GOING TO BE
ANOTHER TEACHERS' STRIKE
BECAUSE OF THIS, BECAUSE
EVERYTHING WE'RE HEARING -

Janet says YEAH, BUT THERE
SHOULDN'T BE.
LET ME JUST GET BACK TO,
OF COURSE THE FUNDING
RECOGNIZES THAT TEACHERS'
DUTIES ARE MULTI-FACETED.
THEY'RE NOT JUST
IN THE CLASSROOM.
OF COURSE WE
RECOGNIZE THAT.
BUT SECONDLY WE'RE NOT
CHANGING THE RULES ON BOARDS.
THERE ARE MANY BOARDS OUT
THERE THAT ARE WHERE THIS
REGULATION, THE LEGISLATION
ASKS THEM TO BE.
SO THIS IS NOT
A NEW THING.
WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH
BOARDS THAT 12-50 MINUTES.
IT'S BASED ON THE AVERAGE
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND
THERE'S MORE MONEY
THERE FOR TEACHERS.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO
GET RID OF TEACHERS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO BETTER
SUPPORT TEACHERS.

Steve says EARL MANNERS
SAID 3,000 LAYOFFS.

Janet says WELL, HE PREDICTED THAT
BEFORE I KNEW WHAT
MY ANNOUNCEMENT WAS GOING
TO BE TODAY, SO I HAVE
SOME REAL DIFFICULTY WITH
THE CREDIBILITY THERE.

Steve says YOU THINK
HE'S WRONG?

Janet says YES, I DO.

Steve says THERE WON'T BE ANY
TEACHER LAYOFFS
AS A RESULT OF THIS?

Janet says WELL THERE ARE BOARDS OUT
THERE WANTING MORE TEACHERS.
PEEL BOARD JUST ANNOUNCED
THE OTHER DAY THEY
WANTED 2,000 MORE
TEACHERS, SO LISTEN,
THEY PREDICTED WE WERE
GOING TO HAVE
10,000 FEWER TEACHERS.
SO I MEAN, THE DIRE
PREDICTIONS OF GLOOM,
EVERY DAY WE HEAR THEM, AND
THEY NEVER COME TO PASS,
AND I THINK TEACHERS
WANT TO TEACH.
THAT'S WHY THEY
GO INTO TEACHING.
GOOD QUALITY EDUCATION
MEANS GOOD TEACHERS
TEACHING THOSE STUDENTS
IN THE CLASSROOM.
THAT'S WHERE THE
TEACHERS WANT TO BE.
THE STUDENTS WANT TO BE.
THE PARENTS WANT THEM TO
BE, AND I WANT THEM TO BE,
AND I'VE PUT OUR MONEY
WHERE OUR MOUTH IS BY
GIVING THEM MORE MONEY
TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT
ACTUALLY HAPPENS.

Steve says RICHARD.

The caption changes to "Richard Mahoney. Ontario Liberal Advisor."

Richard says THE MINISTER IS RIGHT TO
SAY THERE ARE MANY BOARDS
ACROSS THE PROVINCE THAT
ARE WHERE THE MINISTER
WANTS THEM TO BE IN TERMS
OF THIS SORT OF COMPLICATED
DEFINITION OF INSTRUCTION
TIME AND PREP TIME
AND SO FORTH.
THERE ARE ALSO A NUMBER OF
BOARD WHO AREN'T THERE.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS,
AFTER THE LAST SORT OF
THE WAR BETWEEN THE TEACHERS
AND THE GOVERNMENT
AND THE STRIKES AND SO FORTH,
THE GOVERNMENT ALLOWED
BOARDS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN
THEIR NEGOTIATIONS
IN THESE COLLECTIVE AGREEMENTS
THAT EXPIRE LATER THIS YEAR.
AND SOME OF THE BOARDS
STUCK A LITTLE CLOSER
TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN
OF THE GOVERNMENT
AND SOME OF THEM DIDN'T.
THE ONES THAT DIDN'T WHO
WERE GIVEN FLEXIBILITY
ORIGINALLY BY THEIR BOARD
TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT
THEIR OWN PROBLEMS AT
HOME WILL HAVE A PROBLEM
IN MEETING THE
MINISTER'S GOALS.
AND SECONDLY, IT'S
WELCOME, I THINK,
THE MINISTER'S PUTTING MORE
MONEY BACK INTO EDUCATION.
I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD
SORT OF CONGRATULATE
HER FOR THAT.
IT IS NOT THIS MINISTER
BUT THIS GOVERNMENT
WHO ACTUALLY TOOK A BILLION
DOLLARS OUT OF EDUCATION
IN THEIR FIRST TERM AND FOR
A THIRD TIME SEEMS TO BE
SETTING UP YET ANOTHER
WAR WITH TEACHERS.
AND NOW I HOPE THAT
DOESN'T HAPPEN.
I HOPE THE MINISTER'S
RIGHT ON THAT,
BUT WE ARE GETTING
A LITTLE BIT TIRED.
THE PREMIER DOES IT
GRATUITOUSLY EVERY ONCE
IN A WHILE IF HE GETS
TIRED ONE DAY AND CRANKY,
HE WHACKS THE TEACHERS
UPSIDE THE HEAD
IN AN OFFHANDED COMMENT
AND IT'S NO WAY -

Janet says YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T
BEEN LISTENING TO EARL.

[laughing]

Richard continues WELL, HE'S A
PUGILIST TOO.
BUT HE'S NOT PREMIER AND
THE PREMIER IS PREMIER
AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE
THAT KIND OF A POLITICIAN,
I WOULD SAY IT
WITH RESPECT.
BUT THE PREMIER IS.
AND THAT'S NOT
GOOD ENOUGH.

Steve says GINA.

Gina says I LOVE LISTENING
TO RICHARD.
HE CAN ROLL THOSE
WORDS OFF SO FAST,
BUT LET'S JUST GET
DOWN TO ABSOLUTE -

Richard says I LIKE LISTENING
TO GINA TOO.

Ruth says I GET
TIRED OF BOTH OF THEM.

[laughing]

Janet says TWO
POINTS FOR RUTH.

Gina says YEAH, WELL, I
NEVER TIRE OF RUTH.
IN ANY EVENT, THE
BOTTOM LINE HERE IS,
IS THAT TEACHERS SAY THAT
THEY'RE ALREADY SPENDING
TOO MUCH TIME IN THE
CLASSROOM AND NEED
ALL THIS TIME
FOR PREP TIME.

The caption changes to "Gina Brannan. Former PC Policy Advisor."

Gina continues I'VE GOT A REAL
PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE'VE GOT A SCHOOL DAY
THAT STARTS SOMEWHERE
AROUND 9:00 AND ENDS
SOMEWHERE AROUND -
WHOSE SCHOOL DAY
STARTS AT 9:00?

Ruth says WHEN DO
TEACHERS START AT 9:00?

Gina says I'M NOT TALKING
ABOUT TEACHERS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT
THE STUDENTS.
NOW, I HAVE NO DIFFICULTY
WITH TEACHERS
HAVING TO COME IN AT 8:00 AND
HAVING TO STAY UNTIL 5:00,
BUT I WANT TO TELL
YOU SOMETHING,
THERE'S A LOT OF CARS
LEAVING THE PARKING LOTS
OF SCHOOLS, AND THEY
AREN'T FROM THE STUDENTS'
PARKING LOT.

Laughing, Steve says I WAS JUST
GOING TO SAY THAT.

Gina says YEAH, AND LET ME SAY
ONE OTHER THING THAT
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS.
WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S
GOING TO HAPPEN HERE,
BECAUSE OF WHAT THE
GOVERNMENT HAS DONE -
I MEAN, NOTHING'S EVER
GOING TO BE ENOUGH,
LET'S BE HONEST.
THEY'VE PUT THE MONEY IN
AND IF THAT'S GOING TO CREATE
A WAR ON THE PART OF
THE TEACHERS, WELL THEN,
SHAME ON THEM.

Steve says IT'S NOT THE MONEY
THAT'S CREATING THE WAR.
IT'S THE CHANGE IN
INSTRUCTIONAL TIME.

Gina says WELL, I'M
SORRY, OKAY.
I WORK AT NIGHT.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD
WORK AT NIGHT, TOO.
I WORK BEFORE I GO INTO
COURT IN THE MORNING.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD DO
SOMETHING IN THE MORNING.
I DON'T GET ANY PREP TIME
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY
WHEN I'M IN A
COURTROOM.

Steve says NO BUT TEACHERS CERTAINLY
TAKE PAPERS HOME
AND THEY CERTAINLY DO
WORK ON THE WEEKENDS
AND AT NIGHT AS WELL.

Gina says WELL,
I HOPE THEY DO.

Ruth says AND YOU DON'T BILL A
CLIENT FOR PREPARATION?

Richard says OF COURSE
SHE DOES.

Gina says OF COURSE I DO.
OKAY.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT
THEY SHOULDN'T GET PAID
FOR THEIR PREP TIME.

Janet says AND THEY ARE
PAID FOR THEIR PREP TIME.

Gina says YEAH, THE SCHOOL DAY
IS NOT 9:00 UNTIL 3:00.
THE SCHOOL DAY FOR A
TEACHER IN MY VIEW
HAS GOT TO BE EIGHT HOURS
AND IT'S NOT ALL SPENT
IN THE CLASSROOM.

Richard says THAT IS ONE OF THE
FRUSTRATING FICTIONS
ABOUT THIS DEBATE.

Steve says WELL, HANG ON,
HIS WIFE'S A TEACHER.
HE KNOWS A BIT
ABOUT THIS.

Richard says THAT IS ONE OF THE
FRUSTRATING FICTIONS ABOUT
THIS DEBATE, THAT THERE IS,
AND I KNOW MOST PEOPLE
BELIEVE THIS, THAT THERE
ARE SOMEHOW TEACHERS ENDING
THEIR DAY AT 3:00 AND
STARTING THEIR DAY AT 9:00.
LET ME TELL YOU, IT
AIN'T THE REALITY.
MOST TEACHERS I KNOW ARE
WORKING EVERY NIGHT,
ARE IN EARLY
IN THE MORNING.
ARE BUSTING THEIR
CHOPS EVERY DAY.
THEY'RE DOING
MORE WITH LESS.
WE'RE HAVING LESS
FUNDING PER PUPIL,
NOT MORE FUNDING
PER PUPIL.
THEY HAVE HAD THEIR
WAGES FROZEN SINCE THE
SOCIAL CONTRACT IN 1990 -
WHATEVER YEAR THAT WAS - '92.
YOU KNOW, THE FICTION OUT
THERE THAT THERE'S
A WHOLE BUNCH OF TEACHERS
LOLLYGAGGING AROUND,
SIPPING MARGARITAS THROUGH
THE DAY, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
THESE GUYS A FIGHTING
EDUCATION ON THE FRONT LINE.

[everyone talking]

Steve says HANG ON,
LET ME GET RUTH IN.

Ruth says LET ME PICK UP ON WHAT
RICHARD JUST SAID
ABOUT SALARIES
BEING FROZEN.
THE AMOUNT THAT WAS
INCREASED TODAY,
AND I'M WITH
RICHARD, YOU KNOW,
WHEN YOU TAKE A
WHOLE LOT OUT,
THEN YOU SLOWLY GO
BACK UP, IT DOESN'T
REALLY AMOUNT TO MUCH.
IT'S 1.5 PERCENT FOR
TEACHERS' SALARIES INCREASE.
INFLATION IS OVER
2 PERCENT THIS YEAR,
AND THEY HAVE NOT HAD AN
INCREASE FOR MANY YEARS,
SO IT ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE
TO MEET WHAT THEY'RE
GOING TO EXPECT AND IT'S GOING
TO PUT THE BOARDS BACK
INTO A HORRIBLE -

Janet says FIRST OF ALL, IT'S
MORE THAN 1.5 PERCENT.
THE ONLY GOVERNMENT THAT
TOOK MONEY OUT OF
THEIR PAY PACKET WAS,
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,
YOUR GOVERNMENT,
NOT OURS.
WE HAVE NOT TAKEN A
BILLION DOLLARS OUT
OF THE EDUCATION
SYSTEM, FAR FROM IT.
AND THERE ARE TEACHERS
IN THIS PROVINCE
THAT HAVE HAD PAY RAISES IN
THE LAST FIVE TO TEN YEARS.
AND SO I'M - AND
THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
WHO DID OR WHO DIDN'T, OR
WHETHER THEY MOVED UP
THE GRID, THEY GOT X PER
CENT OR Y PER CENT,
THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
WE BELIEVE THAT THERE NEEDS
TO BE MORE MONEY THERE
TO SUPPORT TEACHERS IN
THE CLASSROOM AND BEYOND.
I MEAN NO ONE IS SAYING
THAT THEY DON'T WORK
BEYOND THE CLASSROOM.
I MEAN I WAS SAYING
THERE TODAY AT MY PRESS
CONFERENCE THAT ONE OF THE
VALUES IN THE EDUCATION
SYSTEM HAS BEEN THE
VOLUNTEER EFFORTS
THAT TEACHERS HAVE DONE FOR
EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT
PART OF ITS SERVICE.

Ruth says THEN WHY ARE THEY
NOT AGREEING WITH YOU?

Janet says WELL EARL MANNERS
HAS NEVER AGREED
WITH THIS GOVERNMENT
ON ANYTHING, RUTH.

Ruth says I'M TALKING ABOUT THE
LEADERS OF THE ORGANIZATION.

Janet says WELL, FRONTLINE TEACHERS
I GOTTA TELL YA,
THE WORST THINGS THAT ARE
SAID ABOUT TEACHERS
ARE SOME UNION LEADERS THAT
THEY'RE SAYING, OH, WELL,
THE GOVERNMENT SAID THIS
OR THE GOVERNMENT
SAID THAT ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVEN'T.
I MEAN, I'M
SITTING THERE.
I HAVE SAID ON MORE
THAN ONE OCCASION,
I KNOW THERE ARE EXCELLENT
TEACHERS OUT THERE.
I'VE HAD EXCELLENT
TEACHERS.
I'VE MET EXCELLENT
TEACHERS.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED
IN FEWER TEACHERS.
I'M INTERESTED IN MORE
AND BETTER TEACHERS,
SMALLER CLASSES,
BETTER CURRICULUM,
MEASURING TO MAKE
SURE THAT WE'RE DOING
AND FAIR FUNDING
FOR THOSE TEACHERS.

Ruth says WHY ARE OF THOSE EXCELLENT
TEACHERS FEELING
FRUSTRATED, FEELING THAT
THEY CAN'T REALLY DO
THEIR JOB AS THEY
WOULD LIKE TO DO IT,
AND FEELING THAT THEY'RE
SHORTCHANGING THEIR PUPILS?

Gina says I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT'S TRUE.

Janet says THERE'S BEEN AN AWFUL LOT
OF POLITICAL RHETORIC
THAT HAS COME OUT.
I HAVE BEEN IN
GYMS, IN LIBRARIES,
IN TEACHERS' KITCHENS,
LIVING ROOMS
OVER THE LAST - ACTUALLY
BEFORE I BECAME MINISTER,
TALKING TO TEACHERS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
HAS REALLY CONCERNED ME,
RUTH, IS THAT IF THEY HAD A
FAIR REPRESENTATION
OF THE FACTS ONCE IN A
WHILE, IT MIGHT ASSIST
SOME OF THOSE
TEACHERS TO JUDGE.
THEY WENT INTO TEACHING
'CAUSE THEY LIKE KIDS.
THEY WENT INTO
TEACHING TO TEACH,
AND I WANT THEM IN THE
CLASSROOM DOING THAT.
AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE
FIGHTS WITH UNION LEADERS.
I MEAN, LISTEN, THEY CAN
GO OUT AND DECLARE WAR
IF THEY WANT TO
DECLARE WAR.
I'M NOT DECLARING WAR.
MY GOVERNMENT'S
NOT DECLARER WAR.

Steve says LET ME GET BACK TO A KEY
ISSUE HERE, WHICH IS,
WHEN YOUR GOVERNMENT
INTRODUCED THE BILL 160,
EDUCATION REFORM CHANGES
IN WHATEVER IT WAS,
SEPTEMBER OF '97, NOT
NECESSARILY EVERY
OBSERVER WAS
ANTICIPATING A STRIKE.
AND LO AND BEHOLD THERE WAS
ONE PROVINCE-WIDE FOR
A LONG TIME, AND IT
SURPRISED A LOT OF PEOPLE
AND UPSET A LOT
OF PARENTS.
NOW HERE WE ARE
2 AND A HALF YEARS LATER.
ARE YOU ANTICIPATING
PEACE THIS TIME WHERE
YOU COULDN'T FIND
IT LAST TIME?

Janet says WELL, I DON'T
WANT STRIKES.
TEACHERS THAT I TALK
TO DON'T WANT STRIKES.

Steve says THEIR CONTRACTS ARE
ALL UP AT THE END OF AUGUST.

Janet says WELL NOT ALL OF THEM.
THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARDS
ARE UP FOR THE END
OF THIS YEAR, SO THEY ARE
RE-NEGOTIATING CONTRACTS ANYWAY.
BUT I THINK WHAT IS
IMPORTANT HERE
IS TO MAKE SURE THAT
TEACHERS UNDERSTAND
AND KNOW THAT THEIR
WORK IS RECOGNIZED.
THAT IT IS A VALUABLE
CONTRIBUTION
TO QUALITY EDUCATION.
WE'RE PREPARED
TO SUPPORT THAT.
THE OTHER THING
I GOTTA SAY,
AND I'VE SAID AGAIN
TO ALL OF THE GROUPS,
AND THE FIRST SPEECH I EVER
MADE TO THE ELEMENTARY
TEACHERS' FEDERATION,
AND I'VE SAID, LOOK,
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
TURMOIL OVER
THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
WE CAN ALL SIT HERE AND
DO HE SAID, SHE SAID,
AND YOU SAID THAT, AND SHE
SAID THAT, AND THIS AD,
OR THAT AD, OR THIS
BROCHURE WHAT -
WE CAN ALL DO THAT.
WE'VE BEEN VERY
GOOD AT FIGHTING.
I'M SAYING, LET'S TAKE A
LOOK AT THE COMMON GROUND
WE HAVE HERE, WHICH
IS QUALITY EDUCATION,
AND LET'S MAKE
THAT HAPPEN.
CERTAINLY WE'RE GOING TO
HAVE DISAGREEMENTS.
I'VE TALKED TO EVERY
EDUCATION MINISTER IN
THE LAST COUPLE OF GOVERNMENT
OF ALL POLITICAL STRIPES,
JUST ABOUT EVERY
ONE OF THEM NOW,
AND THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN
TURMOIL AND FIGHTS,
AND THERE'S ALWAYS
DISAGREEMENTS BECAUSE
EDUCATION IS SO
IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY.
SO LET'S HAVE DISAGREEMENTS
AND FIGHT AND - THAT'S FAIR.
THAT'S CALLED DEMOCRACY.
BUT LET'S KEEP OUR
KIDS AND OUR TEACHERS
WHERE THEY WANT TO
BE IN A CLASSROOM.

Gina says YOU KNOW WHAT, THE TEACHERS
AND ONE WHOM I SPOKE
WITH ON THE WEEKEND KNOWING
THAT THIS WAS COMING DOWN.
SHE SAID, YOU KNOW,
WHAT I HOPE FOR -
THIS IS AN
EXCELLENT TEACHER.
SHE WORKS SO HARD.
SHE SAID, I JUST HOPE
THE UNION DOESN'T DO
TO US WHAT THEY
DID LAST TIME.

Steve says WHICH IS WHAT?

Gina says SHE SAID, WE SUFFERED.
OUR IMAGE SUFFERED, AND
PARENTS WERE UPSET.
SHE SAID, YOU HAVE NO
IDEA HOW MANY TIMES -
SHE SAID I EVEN
GOT YELLED AT.

Steve says MEANING WHAT, SHE
DIDN'T WANT TO GO OUT?
SHE DIDN'T WANT
TO GO OUT.

Gina continues OF COURSE NOT.
SHE WANTS TO DO EXACTLY
WHAT JANET SAYS THAT SHE
WANTS TO DO, AND THAT
IS, GO IN AND TEACH
HER STUDENTS AND NO WAR
IS GOING TO BE GOOD
FOR THE TEACHERS, AND
MOST IMPORTANTLY,
NO WAR IS GOING TO BE
GOOD FOR THE STUDENTS.

Steve says RICHARD.

Richard says ALL RIGHT.
I THINK THAT IS RIGHT.
I THINK THAT MOST TEACHERS
OUT THERE I CAN'T IMAGINE
THAT THEY WANT A STRIKE
BECAUSE IT'S NOT
IN THEIR INTEREST
TO STRIKE.

Gina says RICHARD, YOU'RE
AGREEING WITH ME.

Gina smiles.

Richard says FINE.
I'M AGREEING
WITH YOU ON THAT.
WHERE I DISAGREE WITH
YOU AND RESPECTFULLY
WITH THE MINISTER IS
THAT ON TWO THINGS.
ONE, WHAT POLITICIANS
TEND TO DO AND WHAT THIS
GOVERNMENT HAS TENDED TO
DO IS WHEN TEACHERS SAY,
LISTEN, I'M FEELING
TAPPED HERE.
I CAN'T KEEP UP.
THEY SAY, WELL THIS IS
EARL MANNERS
AND THE UNION
BOSSES SAY THIS.
NO, THIS IS REAL TEACHERS
WHO ARE OUT THERE FEELING
STRAPPED, CAN'T DO IT.
I'M TALKING TO QUALITY
TEACHERS WHO ARE LEAVING
THE PROFESSION BECAUSE THEY
FEEL THAT THE GOVERNMENT
DOESN'T LIKE THEM AND BEATS
UP ON THEM ALL THE TIME.
THIS MINISTER
MAY NOT DO IT,
BUT HER PREMIER DOES IT
REGULARLY AND DID IT
RECENTLY AGAIN AND
GRATUITOUSLY, RIGHT,
AND EVERY TIME
YOU PICK A FIGHT,

Janet says HE DIDN’T.

Richard continues EVERY TIME HE PICKS A
FIGHT WITH TEACHERS,
ONLY ONE GROUP
OF PEOPLE LOSES.
IT'S THE STUDENTS
WHO LOSE.
IT'S NOT TEACHERS
WHO LOSE.
IT'S THE
GOVERNMENT THAT WINS.

Gina says THE TEACHERS' UNION
PICKS THE FIGHT WITH
THE GOVERNMENT, THE
ONLY PEOPLE WHO LOSE
ARE THE STUDENTS AGAIN.

Ruth says OKAY, LET'S PUT
THIS ANOTHER WAY.
WE'RE ALL SAYING THE
TEACHERS DON'T WANT
A STRIKE, AND I AGREE, THE
TEACHERS DON'T WANT TO FIGHT.
BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS
THAT MORE AND MORE PARENTS
ARE REALIZING THAT DESPITE
ALL THE RHETORIC AND
DESPITE ALL THE CLAIMS
FROM THE MINISTER AND
THE GOVERNMENT, THEIR KIDS
ARE NOT GETTING AS GOOD
EXPERIENCE IN THE SCHOOLS
AS THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD.
I MEAN, IN KINDERGARTEN
TO GRADE 2,
THERE'S NOW AN INCREASE OF
BETWEEN 10 AND 14 PERCENT
PUPILS PER GRADE.
IN HIGH SCHOOLS, THERE ARE
TEACHERS WHO DON'T HAVE
THE TIME TO PHONE THE
PARENT ABOUT A PROBLEM
OR TO MEET WITH
THE PARENT.
IT'S JUST MORE AND MORE
RESPONSIBILITY IS BEING
SHIFTED TO THE PARENTS AND
IN MANY CASES THE PARENTS
HAVE TWO JOBS, OTHER
KIDS, YOU KNOW,
NOT EQUIPPED TO DO THAT,
AND IN SOME FAMILIES,
NOT ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THEY'RE REALIZING THAT
THEIR KIDS ARE LOSING OUT
AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO
PUSH US TO STRUGGLES
AND TO CONFRONTATIONS.

Richard says TEACHERS AREN'T
MAGICIANS.
SCHOOL BOARDS
AREN'T MAGICIANS.
EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED
ABOUT THE QUALITY
OF EDUCATION AT THEIR
KID'S SCHOOL - I AM.
BUT THEY CAN'T - ONE
OF THE REASONS WHY
THE QUALITY'S SUFFERING OUT
THERE IS BECAUSE
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH
FUNDING IN THE SCHOOLS.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES
IN THE TEACHERS' HANDS.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPECIAL
EDUCATION AND ALL THOSE
THINGS ARE OUT THERE.
WITH RESPECT, THE MINISTER'S
ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY
WILL ONLY GO A VERY SMALL
WAY TO CORRECTING -
IF IT'S IMPLEMENTED IN
THE WAY SHE SAYS.

Janet says BUT, RICHARD, ONE OF THE
REASONS THAT THAT TEACHER
DOESN'T HAVE SOME OF THE
RESOURCES THEY NEED
IS BECAUSE WE HAVE GIVEN
BOARDS FLEXIBILITY
IN WHERE TO PUT
THE MONEY.

Ruth says SO IT'S
THE BOARD'S FAULT.

Janet says I DIDN'T SAY
THAT, RUTH.
I'VE TALKED ABOUT
MORE ACCOUNTABILITY
ABOUT WHERE
MONEY IS GOING.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HEARD
FROM TEACHERS IS THEY HAVE
SEEN MONEY THAT IS THERE
FOR CLASSROOM PURPOSES
OR BEEN THERE FOR THINGS,
AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN
CONFIDENT THAT IT'S BEEN
USED FOR THE PURPOSES
IT NEEDS TO BE
USED FOR.
I AGREE.
ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE
MAKING IS TO HAVE VERY CLEAR -

Richard says TRUTH IS, YOU'VE
HAD MORE CONTROL OVER THAT
THAN YOU EVER HAD BEFORE
THROUGH THE FUNDING FORMULA
AND THROUGH THE FACT
THAT THE BOARDS
DON'T HAVE THE
POWER TO TAX ANYMORE.

Janet says WELL ACTUALLY WE DON'T
YEAH, BUT RICHARD,
WE DON'T - WELL, WE FUND,
ABSOLUTELY WE FUND.
WE FUND A LOT OF DELIVERERS
OF SERVICES IN SOCIAL
AND HEALTH AND EDUCATION.

Richard says AND HAVE MUCH MORE
AUTHORITY IN EDUCATION
NOW THAN YOU EVER
HAD BEFORE.

Janet says YES, AND THAT'S WHAT
WE CAMPAIGNED ON.
WE WERE GOING TO DO IT
BECAUSE PEOPLE SAID
THERE WERE PROBLEMS IN
THE SYSTEM THAT NEEDED
TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT WE BELIEVE THAT
BOARDS, AS WELL,
I MEAN THIS IS NOT AN
ATTEMPT TO PICK FIGHTS
WITH FRONTLINE TEACHERS.
BUT THERE'S CLEARLY AN
ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISM
FOR BOARDS AS WELL BECAUSE
THEY HAVE TO LIVE BY
THE RULES, AND
SO IT'S FAIR TO
TEACHERS ACROSS
THE PROVINCE.

Ruth says WHAT ABOUT BOARDS LIKE
WINDSOR THAT HAVE LIVED
BY THE RULES ARE NOW SAYING,
WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING
YOU TOLD US, WE'VE REDUCED
OUR ADMINISTRATION.
WE'VE DONE ALL OF THE
THINGS THAT THE GOVERNMENT
WANTED, AND WE STILL CAN'T
PROVIDE THE KIND OF EDUCATION -

Steve says FOR OUR VIEWERS
WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT
THE WINDSOR CASE, CAN WE
JUST TAKE 20 SECONDS.
WINDSOR HAS GONE
INTO A DEFICIT.
WINDSOR HAS SAID, WE'RE
NOT GOING TO CUT ANY MORE.
WE'RE GOING TO
GO INTO DEFICIT.
NOW THAT'S ILLEGAL.
JANET ECKER HAS SAID,
IF YOU GO INTO DEFICIT,
THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW AND
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ACTION.
HERETOFORE UNDESCRIBED
OR UNEXPLAINED.
SO YOU GET A CHANCE ON THIS
PROGRAM RIGHT NOW TO SAY
WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO
TO WINDSOR BECAUSE
THEY DECIDED TO INTO DEFICIT
INTENTIONALLY AND IGNORE YOU.

Janet raises her index finger and says LET'S BE CLEAR.
LET'S BE CLEAR.
THEY HAVE PASSED A MOTION
THREATENING TO GO INTO DEFICIT.
THEY HAVE DECIDED - SOME
MEMBERS - SOME TRUSTEES,
NOT ALL OF THEM, HAVE
DECIDED TO TAKE A POLITICAL
STAND TO PLAY POLITICS WITH
THE KIDS IN THEIR REGION.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S
AN ELECTION YEAR.

Steve says I THINK
THEY'RE PLAYING POLITICS
WITH YOU, NOT
WITH THE KIDS.

Janet says HEY, I'M NOT THE ONE
WHO'S IN THE
CLASSROOM IN WINDSOR.

Gina says THE KIDS ARE
ONES WHO WILL SUFFER.

Janet says JUST A MINUTE.
THEY DID THIS BEFORE THE
NEW MONEY WENT OUT THERE.
WE HAD STAFF THAT WENT DOWN
AND MET THEM AND WE SAID,
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY DO
THIS AND SAY YOU'RE GOING
TO BE RUNNING A DEFICIT
WHEN YOU HAVEN'T
CALCULATED THIS IN OR
THIS IN OR THIS IN?
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF
POLITICS GOING ON HERE.

Steve asks SO IT'S A
12 MILLION DOLLARS SHORTFALL.
YOU THINK THAT'S TAKEN
CARE OF NOW THAT
YOU'VE ANNOUNCED
THIS NEW MONEY?

Janet replies WELL FIRST OF ALL I
DON'T KNOW WHERE WINDSOR
WILL BE TODAY AS A RESULT
OF TODAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT.
BUT THE ONE THING THAT I
THINK WE SHOULD ALSO BE CLEAR
ON HERE IS THAT THERE
ARE MANY BOARDS IN THIS
PROVINCE WHO ARE DOING VERY
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
WHO ARE LIVING
BY THE RULES.
YES THEY ARE MAKING
DIFFICULT DECISIONS
AS WE ALL MAKE TO LIVE
WITHIN A BUDGET.

Steve says WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO -
IF WINDSOR IN ITS WISDOM
DECIDES THAT EVEN
REGARDLESS OF THE
NEW ANNOUNCEMENT YOU
MADE THIS WEEK,
THEY'RE STILL SHORT AND
THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE
IN DEFICIT, WHAT ARE YOU
GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

Janet says WELL, WE'LL TAKE WHATEVER
APPROPRIATE ACTION IS NECESSARY.

Steve says NAH, NAH,
NAH, TELL ME REALLY,
WHAT ARE YOU GOING
TO DO ABOUT IT?

Steve says I DON'T WANT TO SIT
HERE AND I DON'T WANT -
I DON'T WANT TO
CROSS BRIDGES UNTIL
I HAVE TO CROSS BRIDGES.
WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR.
WE'VE SAID, THE
LAW IS THE LAW.
THEY DO KNOW
WHAT THE STAKES ARE.

Richard says WHAT'S THE
PENALTY IN THE END?

Janet says I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY
ARE NOT GOING TO PLAY
POLITICAL CHICKEN WITH THE
FUTURE OF THEIR CHILDREN.

Steve says MIGHT YOU ABOLISH
THE BOARD?

Janet says WELL, WE'LL TAKE WHATEVER
STEPS WE HAVE TO TAKE.
BUT WE'RE BEING
VERY CLEAR.

Ruth says MAYBE THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY
DID IN TORONTO SO THAT MEL
DIDN'T HAVE TO INCREASE TAXES,
THEY LENT THE CITY MONEY
SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T
HAVE A DEFICIT.

Steve says THAT'S TRUE.
AND THAT COULD
HAPPEN IN WINDSOR.

Janet says IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

Steve says IT SEEMS
MORE CARROT THAN STICK,
BUT THERE YOU GO.

Janet continues IT'S ALWAYS A DIFFICULT
CHALLENGE TO BE A TRUSTEE,
TO BE A DIRECTOR OF
A BOARD OF EDUCATION.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO BALANCE
A HOUSEHOLD BUDGET,
TO BALANCE A SMALL
BUSINESS BUDGET,
TO BALANCE A BUDGET
FOR ANY ORGANIZATION.
THAT'S DIFFICULT.
BUT THIS IS THE
TAXPAYERS' MONEY.
IT'S THE EDUCATION
OF CHILDREN.
IT'S A FAIR FUNDING
FORMULA AND OTHER BOARDS
ARE AND CAN AND ARE PREPARED
TO LIVE BY THE RULES
AND I THINK WINDSOR
NEEDS TO TOO.

Steve says LET ME ASK YOU A
QUESTION ABOUT YOU.
YOU WERE, IF I MAY SAY,
BROUGHT INTO THE PORTFOLIO
THAT YOU NOW HAVE
TO CONCILIATE,
TO BRING THE TEMPERATURE
DOWN, BECAUSE THINGS,
YOU KNOW, WE'D HAD TEACHER
STRIKES AND THINGS
WERE GOING OUT
OF CONTROL.
AND YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF
BEING IN POLITICS
OF DOING THAT, OF BRINGING
THE TEMPERATURE DOWN
AND BRINGING A LEVEL OF
COMPETENCE TO A MINISTRY.
I'LL GIVE YOU
THAT COMPLIMENT.

Gina says WELL DESERVED.

Steve smiles and continues WE'RE NOW SEEING -
THANK YOU, GINA.
WE'RE NOW SEEING, AS
RICHARD HAS DESCRIBED,
SOME PARTS OF THE
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT
TAKING SOME MUCH SUGGEST
GRATUITOUS SHOTS
AT TEACHERS AND BRINGING
THE TEMPERATURE BACK UP.
SO THIS WEEK'S ANNOUNCEMENT
SEEMS TO HAVE DONE THAT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS
MIKE HARRIS PUSHING YOUR
BACK AGAINST THE WALL
TO GET TOUGH IN A WAY
THAT YOU DON'T
REALLY WANT TO DO?
THAT'S NOT YOUR NATURE.
THAT'S AGAINST
TYPE FOR YOU.

Janet says WE ARE DOING WHAT
WE SAID WE WOULD DO.
I WAS VERY CLEAR FROM
THE FIRST MINUTE
I OPENED MY MOUTH AS A
NEW EDUCATION MINISTER.
WE WERE ELECTED TO
DO CERTAIN THINGS
AND WE SAID WE WERE
GOING TO THEM.
I TAKE THOSE COMMITMENTS
VERY SERIOUSLY.
I MEAN, I KNOCKED ON DOORS
AND TOLD PEOPLE
WE WERE GOING TO DO THEM.
WE'VE BEEN ELECTED,
SO WE'RE DOING THEM.
I'VE SAID TO ALL OF THE
TEACHER GROUPS AND ALL
OF THE GROUPS IN EDUCATION,
MY DOOR IS OPEN.
I NEED YOUR ADVICE ON
HOW TO DO THEM BEST.
I MEAN, WITHOUT
THAT ADVICE,
I'M THE FIRST TO ADMIT,
IT WILL NOT WORK AS WELL,
AND I'VE HAD MANY MEETINGS
AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE
MEETINGS WITH TEACHER
FEDERATIONS OR WHOEVER.
SO GIVE ME THE ADVICE,
BUT WE NEVER SAID,
AND I NEVER SAID, AND I
CERTAINLY WAS NOT ASSIGNED
TO WALK INTO THIS
MINISTRY AND SAY,
YOU KNOW ALL THOSE
PROMISES WE MADE TO YOU,
Mr. AND Mrs. FRONT PORCH,
WE DIDN'T REALLY MEAN THEM.

Steve says RUTH, LAST
MINUTE.

Ruth says BUT THE CHIEF
PROMISE WAS NO CUTS
TO CLASSROOM
EDUCATION.

Janet says AND WE
HAVEN'T, RUTH.

Ruth continues AND SO WE'RE NOW
SEEING LARGER CLASSES,
NO TEACHING
ASSISTANTS.

Janet says THAT’S NOT ACCURATE,
THAT’S NOT ACCURATE.

Ruth continues AND NOT THE KIND OF SUPPORT
THAT TEACHERS NEED.

Janet says IT'S 700 MILLION DOLLARS MORE
DOLLARS IN CLASSROOMS
AND THERE IS MORE MONEY
TODAY FOR TEACHERS,
FOR STUDENTS, INVESTING
IN QUALITY EDUCATION.

Ruth says WHY ARE CLASSES
BIGGER?

Janet says THEY ARE NOT.

Ruth continues WHY ARE THERE NO
SCHOOL SECRETARIES?
SUPPORT SYSTEMS
FOR TEACHERS.

Janet drinks a glass of water.

Gina says VERY UNFAIR BECAUSE
WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT
THE CAPITAL FUNDING
AND THE CAPITAL -

Ruth says SPECIAL
EDUCATION IS GONE.

Janet says GIVE YOUR HEAD
A SHAKE, RUTH.
WE ARE SPENDING MORE
ON SPECIAL EDUCATION
THAN HAS EVER BEEN SPENT IN
THE HISTORY OF THE PROVINCE.

Richard says YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT SPECIALIZED SERVICES
THAN HAVE EVER
BEEN BEFORE.
IN OUR SCHOOL, IN OUR
NEIGHBOURHOOD,
THERE'S LESS SPECIAL
EDUCATION THAN
THERE'S EVER BEEN.

[talking at once]

Janet says THE PROVINCE HAS
ACTUALLY GOT MORE MONEY
IN THEIR RESERVES FOR
SPECIAL EDUCATION.

Gina says THEY AREN'T
SPENDING THEM.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

Steve says SOUNDS LIKE LASTMAN'S
HEALTHCARE DISCUSSION.
WE GOTTA GO.
Laughing, he continues THANK YOU FOR VISITING THE
NATION'S EDUCATION STATION.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
THAT'S JANET ECKER, THE
MINISTER OF EDUCATION,
AND TO THE THREE OF YOU,
WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN
NEXT WEEK.
AND THAT'S OUR
PROGRAM FOR THIS WEEK.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN.
THANKS A LOT FOR
WATCHING, EVERYBODY.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

Queen's Park Bureau Chief, Susanna Kelley.

Producer, Bret Ballah.

Editor, Ted Ambrose.

A production of TVOntario. Copyright 2000, The Ontario Educational Communications Authority.

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