Transcript: Ralph Benmergui | Oct 12, 1997

(Rhythmic string and wind music plays)

In animation, a word in pink slides by against a gray background as hands paint strokes using paintbrushes, play a piano, and touch as in a ballet performance.

The title of the show reads “Dialogue.”

The title of the episode pops up against an image of Richard Ouzounian and a guest sitting in a television studio, surrounded by cameras: “Ralph Benmergui. TV Host.”

Then, Richard appears facing the screen. He's in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short side-parted blond hair. He's wearing rounded glasses, a black suit, and a blue mandarin-collared shirt.

He says I'M RICHARD OUZOUNIAN.
WELCOME TO
DIALOGUE.
CATS HAVE NINE LIVES.
MY GUEST IS CATCHING UP FAST.
HE'S BEEN AN ACTOR, HE'S BEEN
A STAND-UP COMIC, HE'S BEEN A
RADIO HOST.
HE'S BEEN A CURRENT
AFFAIRS HOST.
HE'S BEEN A VARIETY HOST.
HE'S A TALK SHOW HOST.
HE'S ALSO AN AUTHOR, A
HUSBAND, AND A FATHER.
THIS
DIALOGUE
IS
WITH RALPH BENMERGUI.

Ralph is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short straight brown hair. He’s wearing a burgundy coat, blue shirt, and gray trousers.

Richard continues RALPH, EVERYTHING I JUST
RATTLED OFF, IF YOU COULD DO
ONE OF THEM, AND ONLY ONE,
ALL THE TIME, WHAT WOULD
YOU WANT IT TO BE?

Ralph says OH, I ACTUALLY THINK
THEY ARE ALL ONE THING.
TRULY.
I DON'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN ANY OF THE THINGS I DO.
THEY COME FROM THE SAME
SOURCE, SO THEY ARE ALL JUST
DIFFERENT MANIFESTATIONS OF
THE SAME PATHETIC LITTLE DESIRE.

Richard says TO BE LOVED.

They both laugh.

Ralph says WELL, YOU SEE, IT'S A MIXTURE
OF TWO THINGS, I GUESS.
ONE IS TO BE LOVED, OBVIOUSLY,
AND TO HAVE A BIGNESS ABOUT
ONE'S SELF SO YOU
DON'T FEEL SO SMALL.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS TO TRY
TO CONQUER THAT FEELING OF
SEPARATENESS THAT PEOPLE HAVE.
WHERE, IF YOU CAN, BY BEING
YOURSELF, AND BEING IN A
SITUATION WITH PEOPLE,
RESONATE SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE
WATCHING OR LISTENING, THEN
THEY KNOW THEY ARE NOT ALONE,
AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
IT'S LIKE A GREAT MOMENT IN
THEATRE, WHERE YOU'RE LOST
IN THE MOMENT.
YOU'RE NOT AN AUDIENCE MEMBER,
THEY'RE NOT AN ACTOR, YOU ARE
BOTH IN THE HUMAN CONDITION
FOR A MOMENT, AND BOOM.
SO THAT'S WHAT DRIVES WHAT I
DO, YOU KNOW, ON THE SPIRITUAL
SIDE, AND ON THE EMOTIONAL SIDE,
IT'S 'OH, LOOK AT ME, PLEASE!'
YOU KNOW?
AND YOU DEAL WITH THAT.

Richard says YOU KNOW, FROM THE VERY
BEGINNING, YOU CAME FROM A
REALLY COMPLICATED
ETHNIC BACKGROUND.
I MEAN, I USED TO THINK BEING
AN ITALIAN ARMENIAN FINN, I
HAD IT COVERED.
BUT WHAT, YOU'RE SPANISH,
MOROCCAN, JEWISH?

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Ralph Benmergui. TV Host."

Ralph says YES, SPANISH, MOROCCAN
JEW FROM TANGIERS.
WE CAME HERE IN 1957.
I'M THE YOUNGEST
IN THE FAMILY.

Richard says NOW, WERE YOU WILDLY
ACCEPTED BY WHITE CANADA
WHEN YOU GOT HERE?

Ralph says NO, WE CAME TO TORONTO, AND
I REMEMBER GROWING UP AND
THINKING ABOUT HOW WHITE, IN
ITALICS, HOW WHITE TORONTO
REALLY WAS.
AND CFRB RADIO TO ME WAS THE
EPITOME OF TORONTO, YOU KNOW?
RAY SONIN, CALLING ALL
BRITONS, ALL THESE, YOU KNOW,
AND WHO WAS, WHO USED
TO DO THE MORNING?
JACK DENNETT, WHO COULD DO A
EULOGY FOR A FIREFIGHTER THAT
WOULD MAKE YOU JUST WEEP.
HE WAS JUST THE BEST.
BUT THERE WERE
VERY WHITE GUYS.
AND MY DAD WORKED
WITH VERY WHITE GUYS.
IRISH, SCOTTISH GUYS IN THE
CUPE, INSIDE WORKERS,
CITY WORKERS.
MY DAD'S NAME WAS MEYER,
AND THEY CALLED HIM MIKE.

Richard says RIGHT.

Ralph says YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO YOU'D PAY ATTENTION
AND TAKE NOTE.
BUT FITTING IN, I THINK
ANYBODY WHO HAS BEEN A
STAND-UP REALIZES, AS A
MINORITY PERSON, OR SOMEBODY
WHO FEELS LIKE AN OUTSIDER,
YOU DEVELOP THE SKILLS TO
ANALYZE THINGS QUICKLY, AND TO
BREAK THEM DOWN, AND TRY TO
FIGURE THINGS OUT FOR YOURSELF
SO YOU WILL BE ACCEPTED.
YOU LEARN THE CODE OF
A SITUATION QUICKLY.
WHAT'S THE LINGO IN HERE.
IF I'M WORKING IN A WAREHOUSE,
HOW MANY DIFFERENT TIMES DO I
HAVE TO SWEAR IN A SENTENCE?
IF I'M STANDING AROUND WITH A
GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL
TALKING ABOUT -- FOR INSTANCE,
IF YOUR CHILD'S IN A
HOSPITAL, YOU LEARN, AFTER
A WHILE, THAT SYMPTOMS ARE
PRESENTED, RIGHT?
SO YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
AND THEN WHEN THE DOCTOR COMES
IN, IF YOU WANT THE DOCTOR TO
TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY, YOU SAY,
HE'S PRESENTING THIS WAY.
AND HE PERKS UP, AND GOES,
OH, HE'S TALKING MY CODE.
SO RIGHT AWAY YOU ARE IN.
SO I THINK YOU LEARN THOSE
THINGS INSTINCTIVELY
FROM A YOUNG AGE.

Richard says NOW, THE DANGER, THOUGH, IF
YOU GET TO BE THAT MUCH OF A
CHAMELEON AND PRESENT WELL, I
REMEMBER ATOM EGOYAN SAYING
TO ME ONCE HE WANTED TO BE
ACCEPTED SO MUCH BY HIS WASP
FRIENDS GROWING UP IN
VICTORIA, THAT HE'D COME HOME
AT NIGHT AND SMELL ARMENIAN
COOKING IN HIS HOUSE,
AND HE'D HATE IT.
HE'D HATE THE FACT HIS PARENTS
STILL HAVE ETHNIC ROOTS.
DID YOU EVER FIND
THAT YOU RESENTED?

Ralph says WELL, I HAD A VERY STRANGE
SITUATION BECAUSE I GREW UP ON
THE EDGE OF FOREST HILL, ON
WHAT IS NOW MARLEE AVENUE,
WHAT USED TO BE LYONS
AVENUE, IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO,
BATHURST AND EGLINTON.
AND THE STRANGE THING WAS, I
WAS A JEW, AND EVERYBODY ELSE
AT SCHOOL WAS A JEW, BUT THEY
WERE ANOTHER KIND OF JEW.
SO, FOR ME, IT WAS A QUESTION
OF BEING ACCEPTED BY BEING A
MINORITY WITHIN A MINORITY.
IT WASN'T EVEN, I COULDN'T
EVEN GET TO THE PART ABOUT
THE WHITE FOLK, I WAS STILL
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
GET IN ON THESE GUYS HERE, WHO
WERE EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWS,
AND I WAS A NORTH AFRICAN JEW.
WE HAD DIFFERENT DIETS.
WE DID DIFFERENT THINGS
WHEN WE WERE IN SYNAGOGUE.
WE SPOKE DIFFERENT
LANGUAGES AT HOME.
THEIRS WAS YIDDISH,
OURS WAS SPANISH.
DIFFERENT LEVELS OF BELIEF,
COMMITMENT, ALL OF THAT STUFF.
SO, FOR ME, IT WAS JUST TRYING
TO GET IN ON THEM THAT WAS
THE CONFUSING PART.
BUT I THINK EVERY IMMIGRANT
HAS AN ELEMENT OF
SELF-LOATHING AS A CHILD, THE
LITTLE ONES DO BECAUSE THEY
WANT, LIKE I REMEMBER, I USED
TO WATCH, REMEMBER THOSE BEER
COMMERCIALS WHERE THEY
COULD ONLY SHOW THE LABEL?

Richard says YEAH.

Ralph says NOW, AT THAT TIME, EVERYBODY
IN THE COMMERCIAL WAS VERY
WHITE AND HAVING A
GRAND SUBURBAN TIME.
AND I USED TO THINK TO
MYSELF, I WANT THAT.
I WANT TO BE ABLE
TO WALK INTO THAT.
YOU KNOW?
AND I THINK THAT'S
PERFECTLY NORMAL.
AFTER A WHILE, FOR
ME ANYWAY, IT FADED.
AND I'M VERY PROUD OF
WHAT I'VE COME FROM.
AND CAN'T HELP BUT DIVULGE
IT ALMOST IMMEDIATELY
WHEN I MEET PEOPLE.

Richard says SOMEBODY ONCE SAID,
YOU'RE GOING TO MEET RALPH,
AND HE'LL SAY, HELLO, I'M
A SPANISH MOROCCAN JEW.

Ralph says I KNOW WHO SAID THAT.

Richard laughs.

Ralph continues VALERIE PRINGLE SAID THAT.
VALERIE, USED TO, WHEN WE
WORKED ON
MIDDAY, USED TO
ALWAYS SAY TO ME, DO YOU
HAVE TO TELL EVERYONE?
DO YOU HAVE TO TELL EVERYONE?
EVERY TIME SOMEBODY WOULD
SIT DOWN, AND THERE WOULD BE
GUEST, I'D TELL THEM --
SHE'D GO, OH, NO, NO, WAIT,
LET ME TELL THEM.
AND THERE SHE WAS, SHE WAS
THE PERFECT ROSEDALE MATRON,
AND THERE WE WERE TOGETHER.
THIS SPANISH MOROCCAN
JEWISH GUY, AND YOU KNOW?

Richard says ONLY IN CANADA.
YOU SAID YOU HAD THE DESIRE
TO GO AHEAD, PUSH AHEAD,
EVEN IN THE BEGINNING.
AND YOU WOUND UP LIKE
BEING ALMOST A CHILD STAR.
YOU HAD A BIG LEADING
ROLE, RIGHT, IN A CBC
MADE-FOR-TV THING?

Ralph says I WOULDN'T CALL IT CHILD.
I WAS 19 OR 20 OR SOMETHING.
HARDLY A CHILD.

Richard says WELL, LATE ADOLESCENT.
A TEEN STAR.

Ralph says I DID ONE THING FOR THEM.
I DID A LEAD IN A MOVIE WITH
A FRIEND OF MINE, JACK BLOOM,
WHO PLAYED SPAZZ IN
MEATBALLS,
ACTUALLY, AND
JACK AND I WERE HIRED TO DO
THIS MOVIE BASED ON MORLEY
TORGOV'S BOOK,
A GOOD
PLACE TO COME FROM.
AND IT WAS A TRILOGY.
BOB SHARON, A BUNCH OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE STILL AT CBC WERE
PART OF THIS.
AND, ANYWAY, WE WERE THE BOYS
GROWN UP, BOTH CHASING THE
SAME SHIKSA, THE SAME
NON-JEWISH GIRL.
AND I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE...
I WAS MADE IN THE SHADE.
I'D COME BACK FROM BEING
THROWN OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY
OF ALBERTA ACTING SCHOOL, AND
I THOUGHT, HEY, I'M ON IT NOW.
I'M A BIG STAR.
SO I WAITED FOR
THE PHONE TO RING.

Richard says RIGHT.

Ralph says FOR FIVE MONTHS.
AND IT TAUGHT ME MY BEST
LESSON EVER IN SHOW BUSINESS,
AND MY BEST LESSON IN MEDIA,
AS WELL, IN THAT NOBODY CALLED
IN FIVE MONTHS BECAUSE I
DIDN'T REALIZE THAT HERE, THE
WAY IT WORKED, WAS IF YOU GOT
A GOOD JOB, YOU WERE TAKEN
CARE OF.
THEY WEREN'T GOING TO GO TO
YOU, THEY'D GO TO SOMEBODY
ELSE NOW.
YOU'D ALREADY DONE YOUR LEAD.
IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE'S TURN.

Richard says SO SUCCESS DID
NOT BREED SUCCESS.

Ralph says IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR
FORM, AND NEVER DOES.
I'VE REALIZED IN CANADA, AND I
HAVE NO BITTERNESS ABOUT THIS
WHATSOEVER, AT ALL.
I THINK IT'S A QUESTION
OF JUST UNDERSTANDING
YOUR ENVIRONMENT.
THIS IS NOT AN
ENVIRONMENT OF LEVERAGE.
YOU DON'T GET SOMETHING,
THEREFORE YOU GET
THE NEXT THING.
YOU MUST ALWAYS HAVE THE IDEA
OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO NEXT.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS TRIED
TO REALIZE IS THAT I HAVE TO
THINK LIKE A PRODUCER,
NOT LIKE THE TALENT.
BECAUSE THE TALENT ISN'T
VERY WELL RESPECTED.
THEY'RE LOOKED UPON AS
FLIGHTY, STRANGE PEOPLE, WHO
MUST BE CONTROLLED OR THEY'LL
GO CRAZY AND WILD, YOU KNOW?

Richard says YOU SAID YOU WERE ACTING AND
YOU WAITED, AND THE PHONE
NEVER RANG.

Ralph says NEVER RANG.

Richard says I KNOW YOU LOVE THEATRE.
I'VE HEARD YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR
LOVE FOR BEING AN AUDIENCE
MEMBER AND RESPECTING THE
CRAFT, BUT YOU DIDN'T SEEM TO
PUSH THAT MUCH FURTHER.
OR MAYBE YOU DID, AND
WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

Ralph says NO, I DID A FILM, YOU KNOW,
THE REALLY EMBARRASSING FILM
BOOM THAT HAPPENED
IN THE '80s.

Richard says OH, YES.

Ralph says DENTIST-DRIVEN FILM
BOOM, AS IT WERE.

Richard says THE NOVOCAIN BOOM.

Ralph says YES, EXACTLY.
RINSE BOOM.
I DID A FILM THERE WITH NICK
CAMPBELL, AND BARBARA GORDON,
A BUNCH OF GREAT PEOPLE, ALAN
ROYAL, WHICH WAS TRULY AN
EMBARRASSING AWFUL FILM.

Richard says WHAT WAS IT CALLED?

Ralph says OH, GOD I THINK BY THE TIME
WE LEFT GEORGIA, IT WAS CALLED
CHATWELL'S VERDICT, BUT
THEN IT GOT CHANGED
TO SOMETHING ELSE.
MY BROTHER-IN-LAW FOUND IT IN
A VIDEO STORE IN VANCOUVER ONCE.
I JUST ABOUT KILLED
HIM FOR FINDING IT.
BUT IT WAS REALLY AWFUL.
BUT I DID WHAT
EVERY ACTOR DOES.
I RAN AROUND TRYING TO
GET WHATEVER I COULD.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I'D ALSO
STARTED AT YUK YUK'S BECAUSE
THE GUYS WHO HAD STARTED YUK
YUKS WERE GUYS I WENT TO
HIGH SCHOOL WITH, MARK BRESLIN
JOEL AXLER, PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
SO I WENT TO THE DOLLAR A
NIGHT ON CHURCH STREET AND
STARTED PERFORMING THERE.
AND BOOM, YOU
KNOW, OFF WE WENT.
AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT
STAND-UP WAS YOU DIDN'T HAVE
ANYBODY TELLING YOU WHETHER
YOU COULD DO IT OR NOT.
AND ACTING, YOU KNOW, UNLESS
SOMEBODY SAYS YOU'VE GOT THE
PART, YOU DON'T GET
TO DO THE ACTING.
YOU HAVE TO SIT AROUND
WAITING TO DO THE ACTING.
SO THIS WAS MORE FUN
BECAUSE YOU COULD DO IT.
IT'S YOURS, YOU WROTE IT,
YOU DIRECT IT YOURSELF.
AND IT'S ALL UP TO
YOU HOW IT GOES.
AND EVERY ONCE IN A BLUE
MOON, THEY WOULD PAY YOU.
BUT I MEAN, IN A BLUE MOON.
IF YOU COULD MAKE
75 BUCKS A MONTH.
UNTIL I WAS 30, I DIDN'T MAKE
MORE THAN 10,000 dollars A YEAR.

Richard says DID THAT BOTHER YOU?

Ralph says WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S
NOT FUN TO BE BROKE.
IT TAKES A LOT OF ENERGY.
BUT NO.
MY PARENTS WERE APOPLECTIC.
THEY WERE JUST,
PLEASE, YOU KNOW?
IMMIGRANT PARENTS.

Richard says WE MOVED TO CANADA
SO YOU COULD BE POOR?

Ralph says WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING,
AND NOW YOU'RE DOING THIS?
I JUST KEPT SAYING, LOOK,
IT'LL ALL WORK OUT.
AND I HAD NO IDEA
WHETHER IT WOULD.
I JUST THOUGHT, I GOTTA
DO WHAT I GOTTA DO.

Richard says WHEN YOU WERE BEING A
STAND-UP, ROBERT KLEIN WOULD
USE THE TERM, WHAT
WAS YOUR COMIC?
WHO WERE YOU?
WHAT WAS YOUR SHTICK?

Ralph says WELL, I STARTED OFF AS A GUY
WHO ONLY DID CHARACTER PIECES.
AND THE THEATRE COMMUNITY
LIKED ME RATHER MUCH FOR THAT.
I DID STRAIGHT CHARACTER
MONOLOGUE BITS.
I DID ONE BIT WHERE I DID CALLED
'THE FAG AND THE GREASER',
WHERE I WAS A DRAG QUEEN AND
A BIKER, BOTH IN THE SAME
PIECE, AND I WOULD CHANGE IN
THE MIDDLE OF A SENTENCE.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN, HE
SEES THE MOST GORGEOUS... GUY.
AND THEN I WOULD DO THAT
FOR THE WHOLE THING.
AND JUST CHANGE FROM
ONE TO THE OTHER.
AND I LIKED CRAFTING
THOSE PIECES, IT WAS FUN.
I SHOULD HAVE BEEN A TROOP
PLAYER, I REALLY WAS AN ACTOR
DOING STAND-UP.
BUT THEN ONE DAY, I WAS IN
MONTREAL, AND I WAS OPENING
FOR LEONARD BARR.
DO YOU REMEMBER LEONARD BARR?
DEAN MARTIN'S UNCLE
WAS HIS SHTIK.
THIS IS FOUR MONTHS BEFORE
POOR LEONARD PASSED AWAY, BUT
WE WERE DOING THE YUK YUK'S
IN MONTREAL, AND HE WAS THE
FEATURE, BUT IN THE SECOND
SHOW, HE HAD TO GO FIRST
BECAUSE HE HAD TO GET
HOME TO GET TO SLEEP.
SO HE WENT FIRST.
AND THEN I WENT ON.
AND I WAS IN BETWEEN, I WAS
GOING TO DO THIS JEWISH
AMERICAN PRINCESS BIT I DO,
WITH A WIG, NAMED SHELLY, AND
I'M LOOKING AROUND, AND I LOOK
AT A GUY IN THE FRONT ROW,
AND I SAY, WHAT
ARE YOU, ITALIAN?
AND HE SAYS, YEAH.
I SAID, OH YEAH, THERE'S
500,000 ITALIANS IN TORONTO.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THIS
JOKE CREEPED UP THE BACK OF
MY SPINE AND CAME OUT AND
SAID, ALL OF THEM STOLE MY BIKE.
AND THE PLACE WENT INSANE.
AND I THOUGHT, OH, I JUST
SORT OF MADE THAT UP.
OH, I COULD DO THAT.
AND THEN, FROM THEN ON, I
DROPPED THE CHARACTERS SLOWLY
BUT SURELY, THEN ONLY HOSTED.
'COS I CAN'T STAND
DOING AN ACT.
LIKE YOU EVER
NOTICE, YOU KNOW?
DOGS.
YOU EVER NOTICE DOGS.

Richard says I JUST GOT BACK
FROM WINNIPEG.

Ralph says SO I DON'T LIKE DOING BITS.
SO TO THIS DAY, IF I EVER DO A
STAND-UP GIG, WHICH I DO ONCE
IN A BLUE MOON, I HOST.
AND IF I HOST, I CAN MAKE UP
EVERYTHING ALL NIGHT LONG.

Richard says DO YOU DO IT ON THE
SPUR OF THE MOMENT?

Ralph says YEAH.
I DON'T HAVE A CLUE HOW IT'S
GOING TO GO, OR WHAT'S GOING
TO COME OUT OF MY MOUTH.
THE COMICS DON'T LIKE IT 'COS
THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, HOW
LONG ARE YOU GOING TO
DO IT BEFORE I GO OUT?
AND I GO, I DON'T KNOW.
BECAUSE IT CAN EITHER
BE A MINUTE OR TEN.
I REALLY HAVEN'T A CLUE.

Richard says I'M CURIOUS, I DON'T WANT TO
LABOUR ONE JOKE, BUT THE ONE
YOU SAID THAT WAS KIND OF YOUR
EPIPHANY WHERE YOU EMPOWERED
YOURSELF AND SAID, THERE ARE
500,000 ITALIANS IN TORONTO,
ONE OF THEM STOLE MY BIKE,
IT'S A JOKE THAT CASTS YOU AS
A VICTIM, BUT YOU'RE
A VICTIM WITH AN EDGE.
DID YOU KEEP DOING THAT?

Ralph says WELL, I SEEMED TO HAVE HAD
THIS EDGE ALL ALONG, WHICH I
THINK HAS MADE ME... I DON'T
KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S A NICE
THING TO KNOW YOU HAVE
AN EDGE, AND SOMETIMES
YOU WISH YOU DIDN'T.
AT CBC IT SEEMS TO HAVE ALWAYS
MADE A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE.
SO THAT I HAVEN'T JUST BLENDED
INTO THE SCENERY, WHICH IS
PRETTY EASY TO DO
AT THE OLD CORPSE.

Richard says NOW, YOU MENTIONED CBC.
PRIME TIME, THE RADIO SHOW,
WHICH I GATHER FROM ALL
REPORTS, YOU WERE REALLY HAPPY
DOING, AND YOU HAD A GREAT
TIME AND WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL
ON, HOW DID THAT COME YOUR WAY?

Ralph says I WAS IN WINNIPEG.
I'D GONE OUT TO
WINNIPEG TO TAKE A JOB.
HAD NEVER BEEN OUT THERE.
BUT I'D GONE BACK TO SCHOOL
IN MY LATE TWENTIES TO RYERSON.
I HAD A REAL IDENTITY CRISIS
REALIZING THAT I WAS VERY
UNHAPPY AS AN ACTOR.
AND I THINK WE MAKE PRISONS
OF OUR OWN IN LIFE, WHERE WE
START TELLING EVERYBODY WE'RE
GOING TO BE SOMETHING,
OR WE'RE DOING SOMETHING,
AND THEN WE CAN'T SEEM TO
GET OUT OF IT.

Richard says YEAH.

Ralph says AND I HAD BEEN TELLING
EVERYBODY MY WHOLE LIFE THAT I
WAS GOING TO BE AN ACTOR, AND
A GREAT ONE AT THAT, AND I
REALIZED, I DON'T
ACTUALLY LIKE THIS LIFE.
I DON'T LIKE THE
LACK OF CONTROL.
I DON'T LIKE HOW OTHER PEOPLE
GET TO TELL ME WHETHER I'M
WORTH SOMETHING OR NOT.
I THINK THE LAST STRAW WAS
GOING FOR AN AUDITION FOR A
COMMERCIAL FOR SOME GUM, WHERE
THEY WANTED ME TO PLAY DRUMS.
AND I'M A PRETTY LOUSY
DRUMMER, TAUGHT MYSELF WHEN
I WAS A TEEN.
AND THEY SAID, OKAY, THEY WERE
SITTING THERE, YOU KNOW THE
WAY THEY DO THIS, THEY HAVE
THE WHOLE TABLE OF FOOD AND
WINE, AND THEY'RE SITTING
THERE EATING AND DRINKING, AND
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN
TO AUDITION ARE PEOPLE LIKE
ME, WHO HAVEN'T MADE MORE
THAN 10,000 dollars IN YEARS.
SO YOU WALK IN, AND THEY SORT
OF DISMISSIVELY LOOK UP,
AND GO, OKAY SIT OVER
THERE AND PLAY THE DRUMS.
AND MAKE IT LOOK GOOD.
SMILE, SMILE.
SO I WALK IN, AND I REALIZE
AT THIS POINT, I'M LEAVING
ACTING, WHICH I LIKED
KNOWING IT AT THAT MOMENT.
AND I LOOKED DOWN AT THEM
AND SAID, EXCUSE ME, HAS IT
DAWNED ON ANYBODY HERE HOW
AWFUL IT MUST BE FOR ALL OF
US TO WALK IN HERE AND WATCH
YOU SITTING HERE AT SOME SORT
OF MINI FEAST AND ASKING
US TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS?
AND THEY WERE MORTIFIED
THAT I'D SAID THIS.
JUST LOOKED UP AT ME LIKE,
YOU'RE CALLING US ON THIS?
AND I SAID, I JUST THOUGHT I'D
SAY THAT BECAUSE I FELT IT
FOR A LONG TIME.
THEN I WENT AND PLAYED THE
DRUM THING AND WALKED OUT
KNOWING FULL WELL I'LL
NEVER GET THE JOB.
BUT, TO ME, THERE WAS SO MUCH
HUMILIATION TO BEING AN ACTOR.
YOU'RE THE LAST PERSON
ASKED, YOU KNOW?
THERE'S NO SENSE OF
CONTROL OF WHAT YOU DO.
SO I WENT TO UNIVERSITY.
I WENT TO RYERSON
FOR JOURNALISM.
AND FROM THERE, AS A MATURE
STUDENT, I KNEW MUCH MORE OF
WHAT I WANTED TO DO
AND WHY I WAS THERE.
AND I WENT TO WINNIPEG BECAUSE
STUART MCLEAN, WHO WAS MY
TEACHER, SAID THERE'S A JOB
IN WINNIPEG, IF YOU WANT TO
APPLY FOR IT.
SO I APPLIED VERY SERIOUSLY,
WENT AND WROTE 15 STORY IDEAS
WITH INTROS, SUGGESTED GUESTS,
THE WHOLE DEAL, QUESTIONS.
AND I DID WHAT THEY CALL
AT THE CBC, A BOARDING.
SO I DID MY LITTLE BOARDING,
AND THEY SAID, FINE, YOU DRIVE
YOURSELF OUT THERE, ON YOUR
OWN MONEY, AND YOU'RE GONNA
MAKE 22,000 BUCKS A YEAR.
AND I SAID, NO PROBLEM.
GET IN THE VOLVO, LET'S GO.

Richard says AND YOU DID.

Ralph says AND I DID.
AND THEN FROM THERE,
PRIME
TIME
WAS ALREADY ON THE AIR
FOR A YEAR, BUT IT
WAS A REAL MESS.
IT WAS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THEY'D JUST THROWN IT
ON THE AIR QUICKLY.
AND AT ONE POINT, I WAS DOING
FREELANCE WORK FOR THEM.
AND KIM ORCHARD WHO WAS
RUNNING THE SHOW, PHONED AND
SAID, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO BE A HOST?
AND I SAID, YEAH.
BUT I PUT A LOT OF ENERGY
TOWARDS HAVING HER PHONE ME
AND SAY THAT ONE DAY.
'COS I WANTED TO GET HOME.
I MEAN, WINNIPEG WAS OKAY,
BUT I'M NOT FROM WINNIPEG,
AND I WANTED TO GO HOME.
NOW, EVERYBODY THINKS
I'M FROM WINNIPEG.

Richard says OF COURSE.

Ralph says EVERYBODY THINKS
I'M FROM WINNIPEG.

Richard says WELL, JEWISH, WINNIPEG,
YOU HAVE TO BE PART OF
THE WHOLE MAFIA.

Ralph says YEAH.
WINNIPEG OR MONTREAL.
IT'S NEVER TORONTO.

Richard says SO
PRIME TIME
WAS THE GOOD
EXPERIENCE IT SEEMED TO BE.

Ralph says YEAH, IT WAS A GREAT SHOW.

Richard says BECAUSE I LISTENED TO YOU,
AND YOU SEEMED TOTALLY RELAXED.
AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT YOU WERE
MAKING UP WHAT YOU SAID AS
YOU WENT ALONG, WHICH IS THE
BEST THING YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY
ABOUT SOMEONE ON THE RADIO.

Ralph says NO, WE HAD A GREAT
GROUP OF PEOPLE.
AND GUYS LIKE GARY GRAVES
WOULD WRITE SCRIPTS THAT I
COULD LITERALLY READ WORD FOR
WORD, AND MAKE IT SOUND AS IF
I WAS MAKING IT UP.
BUT NO, WE WANTED TO BE A SHOW
ABOUT SHOW BUSINESS, AND WE
WANTED TO TAKE THE CHANCE OF
BEING SHOW BUSINESS OURSELVES.
AND I GOT TO TALK TO GREAT
PEOPLE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
RADIO IS STILL MY
FAVOURITE MEDIUM BY FAR.
AND I HAD A GREAT TIME
INTERVIEWING PEOPLE ON THAT
SHOW, AND HAVING FUN WITH
PEOPLE, AND HAVING PEOPLE
PERFORM ON IT, AND
PLAYING PEOPLE'S MUSIC
FOR THE FIRST TIME.
BUT I GOT TO A POINT, AFTER
A COUPLE OF YEARS, WHERE I
THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T KEEP
JUST TALKING TO ENTERTAINERS.
I WANT TO TALK TO EVERYBODY.
AND I SAW IN THE PAPER THERE
WAS A CHANCE THAT
MIDDAY
WAS
LOOKING FOR A HOST.

Richard says PETER DOWNEY WAS GOING.

Ralph says AND I THOUGHT,
WELL, WHAT THE HELL.

Richard says HAD YOU WATCHED
MIDDAY
MUCH?

Ralph says ONLY AT THE VERY BEGINNING
WHEN IT CAME ON THE AIR,
AND I WAS STILL AN
UNEMPLOYED ACTOR.
SO I KNEW WHAT
IT WAS, SORT OF.
BUT I WENT IN THERE WITH NO
EXPECTATIONS AND THE UGLIEST
JACKET YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
I JUST REALIZED, IT WAS SORT
OF LIKE, LOOKED LIKE A TROUT
OR SOMETHING.
IT WAS JUST SO AWFUL, I
CAN'T REALLY BELIEVE IT.
AND I WENT IN, AND I SAT WITH
VALERIE, AND WE DID OUR LITTLE
AUDITION TOGETHER.
AND I WAS JUST SMITTEN BY HER.
I JUST COULDN'T TAKE
MY EYES OFF HER.
I WOULD LOOK IN THE CAMERA,
FOR ABOUT A YEAR, I'D LOOK IN
THE CAMERA VIEW FINDER, AT HER
WHILE SHE WAS READING BECAUSE
SHE JUST JUMPS OFF THE SCREEN.
RIGHT THROUGH THE SCREEN.
IT WOULD BE LIKE -- AND I
LEARNED SO MANY THINGS FROM HER.
I JUST SAT BESIDE HER WHEN I
GOT THE JOB AND SAID, YOU'RE
REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO HELP
ME OUT HERE BECAUSE IT'S SUCH
AN ARTIFICIAL SETTING, THAT
IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE
TO BE YOURSELF.
AND THE ONLY THING I
KNOW HOW TO DO IS BE ME.
I CAN'T TURN INTO,
OH, A JOURNALIST.
SO I THOUGHT, OH, GOD,
HOW DO YOU DO THIS?
SO SHE WOULD ALWAYS HELP
ME WITH HOW, WHEN I'D LOOK
STUNNED READING THE
TELEPROMPTER, AND THINGS LIKE
THAT, HOW NOT TO LOOK STUNNED
AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE.
SHE WAS GREAT.
SHE JUST HELD MY HAND AND
WALKED ME THROUGH IT.
WE HAD A REALLY
FUN TIME TOGETHER.
REALLY FUN.

Richard says BUT THEN WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE
IT WAS TIME AGAIN TO LEAVE
THAT CORRAL?

Ralph says I THINK, WHEN I LOOK BACK
NOW, I HAVE BEEN FOOLISHLY
RUNNING AROUND IN ALL DIRECTIONS
FOR MOST OF MY CAREER.
THAT I DON'T -- I HAVE ALWAYS
HAD A RESTLESSNESS THAT WAS
BASED ON AN INSECURITY THAT
THINGS MUST BE BIGGER,
I MUST CLIMB EVERY MOUNTAIN.
AND I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING
IN THAT THAT PEOPLE CAN SENSE
AFTER A WHILE.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY, WHEN I
DID
FRIDAY NIGHT, THERE WAS
A KIND OF GUT FEELING FROM
PEOPLE THAT THIS WASN'T
ACCEPTABLE, THIS
WASN'T A GOOD IDEA.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I
WAS ACTUALLY COMING FROM
A SINCERE PLACE.
I THINK I WAS COMING
FROM AN OVERARCHING AND
OVERCOMPENSATING PLACE OF,
I'LL SHOW YOU I'M THE BIGGEST
GUY EVER MADE.
AND IT DIDN'T FIT ME AT ALL.
FROM THE MOMENT IT STARTED,
I FELT LIKE A LITTLE BOY IN
A VERY MACHO ENVIRONMENT,
YOU KNOW?
EVERYBODY'S BIG TIME AMBITIONS
WERE WRAPPED UP IN THIS SHOW.
EVERY NETWORK EXECUTIVE, EVERY
MEDIA OUTLET, THIS WAS, FOR
SOME REASON, VERY IMPORTANT.

Richard says I REMEMBER YOU SAYING ONCE,
EVERY NOW AND THEN, EVERY
DECADE OR SO THE CANADIANS
SEND SOMEONE OUT ON THE TARMAC
TO BE LIKE THE AMERICANS, AND
THEN THEY DON'T MAKE IT,
AND IT'S LIKE, YOU LET US DOWN.
YOU'RE NOT A MAN.

Ralph says YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
THERE'S ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT
THINGS THAT WENT ON IN THAT
SHOW THAT I STILL DON'T
UNDERSTAND TO THIS DAY,
IN TERMS OF WHY IT WAS
SUCH A FIRE STORM.
BUT IT WAS, FOR ME, I THINK,
A NECESSARY FALL FROM GRACE.
I HAD TO FALL OFF THAT
MOUNTAIN AND START RECLAIMING
MY ACTUAL LIFE, NOT DO ALL
THAT RUNNING AROUND THAT TOOK
ME FROM ONE SHOW TO ANOTHER
SHOW TO ANOTHER SHOW TO
ANOTHER SHOW.
IT WASN'T JUST 'COS I'M
REALLY INTERESTED IN LIFE;
IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS TRYING
TO PROVE SOMETHING.
SO ONCE I FELL OFF THAT, LIFE
HAS BEEN MUCH BETTER SINCE.
I'VE BEEN ABLE TO ENJOY WHAT
I DO, AND I'M EVEN WILLING
TO ENTERTAIN THOUGHTS
OF NOT DOING IT.
I DON'T CARE IF I
DON'T DO IT ANYMORE.
I FIND I'M MORE INTERESTED IN...
YOU KNOW, IF THEY TOLD YOU
NOW, YOU COULD GO TO THEOLOGY
SCHOOL FOR FOUR YEARS,
AND YET YOUR FAMILY WILL
STILL EAT, I'D BE THERE.
I'D BE THERE IN A SHOT.
BECAUSE THAT STUFF, WHY WE'RE
HERE, AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE
DOING WHILE WE'RE HERE, THAT
STUFF REALLY INTERESTS ME.

Richard says TO ME, THERE ARE TWO CURIOUS
THINGS ABOUT THE WHOLE
FRIDAY NIGHT
PHENOMENON.
ONE OF THEM IS WHEN YOU CAME
BACK THE SECOND YEAR, AND IT
WAS ALL REDONE AND DIFFERENT,
DID YOU -- I JUST WONDER WHAT
YOU FELT AS YOU WALKED INTO
THE ARENA THE SECOND TIME,
AND IT WAS ALL DIFFERENT,
AND IT MUST HAVE FELT
EVEN LESS COMFORTABLE.

Ralph says WELL, LINDEN MACINTYRE SAID
TO ME, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST
YEAR IT WAS YOUR SHOW,
AND I COULDN'T FIND YOU.
AND THE SECOND YEAR IT WASN'T
YOUR SHOW, AND I COULD.
BECAUSE I DIDN'T CARE ANYMORE.
IT WASN'T MY SHOW.
THE SHOW HAD BEEN
TAKEN AWAY FROM ME.
THEY WERE PAYING ME TO GO
OUT THERE AND BE THE HOST,
BUT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE RUNNING
THE SHOW, I THINK, SAW ME MORE
AS A LIABILITY THAN ANYTHING
AND TRIED TO MAKE SURE I WAS
BARELY SEEN.
BUT THEY WERE PAYING
ME AWFULLY WELL.
AND I JUST BOUGHT A NEW
HOUSE, SO I WAS STAYING.

Richard says YOU WERE STAYING.

Ralph says I WAS GOING TO STAY AND TAKE
THE HIT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
THERE ARE MOUTHS TO FEED HERE.
AND PEOPLE THINK THERE'S
MORE GLAMOROUS REASONS FOR
DOING THINGS IN THIS BUSINESS
AND, NO, THERE AREN'T.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU GET A GOOD
GIG, IF YOU GET A GOOD SPEECH,
AND THEY PAY YOU A NICE AMOUNT
OF MONEY, ALL YOU THINK IS,
GREAT, THAT MEANS
I CAN FIX THE CAR.

Richard says RIGHT.

Ralph says OR GREAT, THAT MEANS THE
TOASTER DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
THROWN OUT, I CAN GO GET
THE TOASTER OVEN NOW.
BUT IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
SO ON A PRACTICAL
LEVEL, I STAYED.
I SHOULDN'T HAVE STAYED.
IT WASN'T MY SHOW.
I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN
WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
AND IT JUST SUBJECTED
ME TO MORE AWFULNESS.

Richard says WHAT HAPPENED IS IT WOUND UP,
YOU GOT BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING
BAD THAT HAPPENED ON A FRIDAY,
UP TO AND INCLUDING THE
ASSASSINATION OF JOHN
KENNEDY, YOU KNOW?
IF IT'S BAD, LIKE NOWADAYS,
WHEN THEY FIRE RITA, IT'S,
AND REMEMBER RALPH.

Ralph says OH, I KNOW.
AND WHEN RITA WAS LEAVING, I
THOUGHT, OH, GOD NOW I'M GOING
TO HAVE TO HEAR
FRIDAY
NIGHT
EVERY 15 MINUTES.
I DON'T KNOW, I GOT A LETTER A
COUPLE OF DAYS FROM SOMEBODY
WHO SAID, I ALWAYS MEANT TO
WRITE YOU AND NEVER DID, TO
TELL YOU THAT I USED TO
RUN HOME TO WATCH YOU
IN THE FIST YEAR.
I LOVED YOUR PROGRAM.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT,
AND I GOT TO SEE ALL KINDS
OF CANADIANS.
AND THE THING THAT MADE ME SAD
WAS, PEOPLE NEVER, NONE OF
THE MEDIA EVER SPOKE ABOUT
WHO WAS ON THE SHOW.
THEY NEVER REVIEWED ONE ACT.
THEY NEVER TALKED ABOUT ONE
PERSON THAT WE'D FOUND.
NOTHING.
IT WAS ALL NONSENSE ABOUT
HOW AWFUL I MUST BE.
LIKE, IT WAS ALL AN ATTEMPT TO
HUMILIATE ME OUT OF THINKING
I WAS JUST A HOT SHOT.

Richard says WAS THAT JUST PERSONAL, OR IS
IT A CANADIAN DESIRE TO FIND
SOMEONE TO GET?

Ralph says I THINK IT'S THE GOOD PART AND
THE BAD PART OF BEING CANADIAN.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE
MUCH FOR HYPE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE
MUCH FOR STARS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S
NECESSARILY A BAD THING.
I THINK IT MAKES US
A MORE HONEST PEOPLE.
AND IT MAKES US MORE SOBER IN
WHAT WE SEE IN OUR PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WE THINK
ARE STARS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO
READ YOU THE NEWS EVERY NIGHT.
NOW, THAT'S SEXY.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST MAKING
A LIVING, AND THAT'S OKAY.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS
THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT ALSO A
VERY NICE COUNTRY TO LIVE IN.
I MEAN, I LOVE CANADA.
I'VE BEEN TO EVERYWHERE YOU
CAN THINK OF, AND I JUST ADORE
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.
I ADORE THE PEOPLE, I
ADORE HOW DIVERSE WE ARE.
I ADORE OUR TOLERANCE
FOR EACH OTHER.
I THINK IT'S FABULOUS.
SO I DON'T REALLY
MIND, YOU KNOW?
IF WE GO DOWN TO L.A., SURE YOU
CAN BE THE BIGGEST STAR EVER.
I MEAN, REALLY, I HAVE FRIENDS
WHO HAVE BECOME THE BIGGEST
STARS EVER.
BUT I COULDN'T
LIVE DOWN THERE.
THAT'S NUTS!
GET OUT OF YOUR CAR TO CHANGE
A TIRE, THEY SHOOT YOU
IN THE HEAD?
GET OUT OF YOUR CAR TO CHANGE
A TIRE HERE, AND THREE GUYS
STOP, IF IT'S WINTER, AND GO,
YOU KNOW, YOU WANT A RIDE TO
THE TIM HORTON'S OR SOMETHING?

Richard says BUT GO ON THE AIR AND DO A
SHOW THEY DON'T LIKE, AND THEY
FORM A FIRING SQUAD, YOU KNOW?
IT'S DIFFERENT.

Ralph says YEAH, BUT I MEAN, HERE IT'S
HUMANE, AND IT'S CIVIL.
AND YOU DON'T GET CIVIL AND
HUMANE IF YOU GET HYPE AND
OVERBLOWN THINGS.
I'M HAPPY THAT IT'S OVER.
I KNOW I'LL HAVE TO LIVE WITH
IT PROFESSIONALLY FOREVER.
IT'S JUST THIS THING THAT SORT
OF WALKS BEHIND ME ABOUT
FIVE FEET.

Richard says BUT YOU ARE PAST
THAT IN SOME WAYS.
YOU HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT
SHOW,
BENMERGUI LIVE, WHERE
YOU ARE DOING
DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I THINK YOU CALLED IT
KIND OF LIKE A TOWN HALL.
ELECTRONIC TOWN HALL.

Ralph says WHAT I LEARNED IS
JUST WHO WE ARE.
MY SHOW COST 12 CENTS.
IT'S NOTHING.
IT'S LOW STATUS.
THE SHOW GETS PACKED UP AND
MOVED OUT OF SIGHT IN
EIGHT MINUTES AFTER
THE SHOW IS OVER.
MY SHOW DOESN'T COST ANYTHING.
AND IT'S ALL CONTENT-DRIVEN.
BECAUSE I REALIZED THAT,
A, IS MORE INTERESTING TO ME
BECAUSE I AM, AT HEART, AFTER
ALL THESE YEARS, I THINK,
A JOURNALIST, MORE THAN
I AM THE OTHER THINGS.

Richard says SO RALPH, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT
HOW LONG YOU ARE GOING TO STAY
WITH THIS, WHAT
YOU WANT TO DO.
I MEAN, THERE WAS AN
AUTOBIOGRAPHY KICKING AROUND.
I'VE HEARD YOU SAY, GOING
BACK AND STUDYING THEOLOGY.
WHAT IS IT?

Ralph says WELL, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING
I'VE REALIZED NOW, MY WIFE IS
A YOGA TEACHER.
AND SHE HAS A REAL
GIFT FOR TEACHING YOGA.
SHE'S TRULY TALENTED, AND
BRINGS OUT, REALLY OPENS
PEOPLE'S HEARTS,
IT WOULD SEEM.
THEY COME TO HER CLASS, THEY
JUST WANT TO COME BACK.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
SAID RECENTLY WAS, YOU KNOW,
I THINK WE SHOULD
FOLLOW YOU FOR A WHILE.
WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING ME AROUND
FOR A LONG TIME, AS OUR
CHILDREN GREW UP, AND NOW THEY
ARE IN SCHOOL AND, YOU KNOW,
ON THEIR WAY AND ALL THAT, BUT
I THINK I'D PREFER TO JUST
LET HER TAKE THE LEAD.
AND WHATEVER IT IS THAT WILL
HELP HER DO WHAT SHE HAS
TO DO IS WHAT I THINK
WE SHOULD BE DOING.
I THINK I'VE PRETTY
WELL HAD MY RUN FOR NOW.
I HAVE NO -- I'VE REALLY --
AMBITION HAS SORT OF, I GUESS
THERE'S A THING WHERE YOU SEE
A KIND OF SHELL AROUND YOU, A
NARCISSISTIC SHELL, THAT'S
QUITE THICK, AND YOU KEEP
REVERBERATING BACK TO IT.
I'M
REALLY
RALPH BENMERGUI.
NO, I'M
REALLY
RALPH BENMERGUI.
AND AFTER A WHILE, WHAT HAS
HAPPENED WITH THAT, I THINK,
AND I HOPE, IS THAT IT HAS
DISSOLVED, AND BECOME QUITE
THIN, AND ALMOST, AT TIMES,
IF I'M LUCKY, JUST GOES AWAY.
AND I DON'T NEED TO
HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
I'M 41 YEARS OLD.
MY CHILDREN ARE
IMPORTANT TO ME.
MY MARRIAGE IS
IMPORTANT TO ME.
SO I THINK I'VE MADE ENOUGH
MISTAKES, LORD KNOWS, WITH MY
MARRIAGE, AND MY CHILDREN, AND
EVERYTHING ELSE, I'VE JUST
BEEN A DISASTER,
IN SOME ASPECTS.
BUT NOW I REALIZE THAT THESE
ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING
TO MATTER TO ME,
AND MAKE ME HAPPY.
SO I'M NOT THINKING IN
TERMS OF PROJECTS, PER SE.
I ONLY THINK IN TERMS OF
HOW ARE WE ALL GOING TO
BE HAPPY HERE?
SO I'LL FOLLOW HER, AND SHE'LL
DO THE YOGA, AND IF THAT
MEANS WE HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE
FOR A YEAR WHILE SHE TEACHES
A TRAINING COURSE IN
SOMETHING, THEN I'LL DO THAT.
BUT IF IT MEANS I HAVE TO FIND
A JOB WHERE THE HOURS ARE MORE
SUITABLE FOR HER DOING MORE
STUFF, THEN I'LL DO THAT, TOO.
'COS, YOU KNOW, I'M TIRED.
21 YEARS OF BOOM,
BA-BOOM, BA-BOOM.

Richard says RALPH, THANKS FOR COMING BY.

Ralph says THANK YOU, RICHARD.
IT WAS A PLEASURE.

Richard faces the screen and says
FOR
DIALOGUE, I'M
RICHARD OUZOUNIAN.
GOOD-BYE FOR NOW.

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