Transcript: Valerie Pringle | Oct 08, 1996

(Rhythmic string and wind music plays)

In animation, a word in pink slides by against a gray background as hands paint strokes using paintbrushes, play a piano, and touch as in a ballet performance.

The title of the show reads “Dialogue.”

The title of the episode pops up against an image of an make-up assistant giving finishing touches to Richard Ouzounian: “Valerie Pringle. Broadcaster.” Richard and his guest sit at a table in a theatre with several small tables.

Then, Richard appears facing the screen as a caption reads “Richard Ouzounian.” He's in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short side-parted blond hair. He's wearing rounded glasses, a gray suit, light gray shirt, and flowery tie.

He says I'VE HAD BREAKFAST WITH THE
LADY YOU ARE ABOUT TO MEET.
AND I'VE HAD A FEW
LUNCHES AS WELL.
BUT SHE'S NEVER HUNG
AROUND FOR THE EVENING.
I GUESS THAT'S BECAUSE
SHE HAS MORE PRESSING
ENGAGEMENTS ELSEWHERE.
YOU'VE PROBABLY SHARED THE
SAME PLEASURE I HAVE ON
CANADA A.M.
AND
MIDDAY.
THIS
DIALOGUE
IS
WITH VALERIE PRINGLE.

Valerie is in her early forties, with straight blond hair in a bob and bangs. She’s wearing a black jacket over a black shirt, and silver pendant earrings.

Richard continues NOW, VALERIE, I'M CURIOUS,
YOU'VE SAT THROUGH ABOUT MAYBE
5,000, 10,000 INTERVIEWS
WHERE I AM SITTING.
BUT WHAT DO YOU FEEL LIKE WHEN
YOU'RE AT THE OTHER END OF IT?

Valerie says I FEEL WEIRD.
THERE'S NO NET,
THERE'S NO CONTROL.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN, OR WHERE IT'S
GOING TO GO.

Richard says NO ONE'S GIVEN YOU QUESTIONS
FIRST IN ADVANCE, RIGHT?

Valerie says NO.
BUT YOU KNOW, AS THE
INTERVIEWEE, AS PROBABLY
ANYONE'S BEEN TOLD IF THEY
TAKE ONE OF THESE TRAINING
COURSES, NERVOUS EXECUTIVES,
AND WOULD-BE POLITICIANS, THAT
THE INTERVIEWEE HAS, IN FACT,
ENORMOUS POWER TO SAY, THAT'S
AN INTERESTING QUESTION, OR
TURN THE ANSWERS TO SOMETHING
THAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
AND ALSO, IT'S UP TO THE
INTERVIEWEE TO MAKE
THE INTERVIEW WORK.
THE GZOWSKI ANALOGY,
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THIS?

Richard says NO.

Valerie says I THOUGHT IT WAS
SUCH A GREAT ONE.
WAS THAT THE
INTERVIEWER PADDLES.
THEY'RE IN THE STERN DOING
THE J-STROKE, BUT THE
INTERVIEWEE, THE GUEST, IS IN
THE BOW, AND THEY'RE PADDLING.
AND IF THEY DON'T PLAY, IF
THEY DON'T TALK, YOU GO
NOWHERE, MAYBE IN CIRCLES,
DO A RUNNING TRY, TRY AND
MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT
ULTIMATELY, IT DIES.

Richard says YOU'VE GOT LIMITED AMOUNTS OF
TIME, BUT YOU SOMEHOW MANAGE
TO GET THEM ON THE POINT,
GET THEM TO SAY, WHAT IS THE
LINE YOU GET HIM TO TELL YOU
WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO,
DO IT, AND GET THE HELL
OUT OF DODGE CITY.
WHAT'S YOUR FIRST APPROACH
WITH DEALING WITH SOMEONE?

Valerie chuckles and says FIRST OF ALL, I MEAN, I DO,
IF WE CAN, OFTEN IT'S IN
COMMERCIAL, MAYBE 30 SECONDS,
A LITTLE BIT OF A PRE-CHAT.
AND I ALTERNATE FROM SORT OF
JUICE THEM UP, GOOSE THEM UP,
BROODLE, CAJOLE, ANYTHING.
USUALLY IT WORKS.
SOMETIMES SOMEONE MIGHT TAKE
AN INSTANT HATRED TO ME.

Richard says NOW, COME ON, WHO
HATES VALERIE PRINGLE?
WHO HAS EVER HATED YOU?

Valerie says OH, PROBABLY GREAT NUMBERS.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE MAIL
IN MY BOTTOM DRAWER.
OH YEAH, SURE.

Richard says SERIOUSLY.
HAS THERE BEEN ANYONE
THAT DIFFICULT?

Valerie says WELL, GUESTS, MAYBE, DON'T
TAKE AN INSTANT LIKE.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE
STYLE AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
IN THE AUDIENCE DON'T LIKE IT.
BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT
WORRIES YOU ENORMOUSLY.
I ALWAYS REMEMBER GORDON
SINCLAIR SAYING TO ME,
AND THIS WAS EARLY DAYS OF
BROADCASTING, AND HE WAS AT
CFRB AND LOVED TO BE HATED.
THAT WAS PART OF PEOPLE, YOU
KNOW, I HEARD STORIES OF
PEOPLE FOR YEARS HAVING THEIR
LUNCH, LISTENING TO GORDON
SINCLAIR'S COMMENTARY JUST
SO THEY'D GET THEIR BILE UP
AND DIGEST THEIR FOOD.

Richard says HELPS THEM DIGEST, YEAH.

Valerie says SO BEING LOVED BY EVERYBODY
IS NO COMPLIMENT BECAUSE THAT
YOU FIGURE IS SO INNOCUOUS,
SO WHITE BREAD, SO NOTHING,
THAT WHO WANTS TO BE THAT?
SO IF PEOPLE FIND ME TOO
OPINIONATED, TOO LOUD, TOO
BRASH, TOO PERKY, TOO
ANYTHING, YOU KNOW?
TOO RED-HEADED, TOO
SHORT-SKIRTED, TOO BLUE-EYED

Richard says TOO MANY FRECKLES.

Valerie says TOO MANY FRECKLES.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T
PLEASE EVERYBODY.

Richard says SOMETIMES, I SEE, ALTHOUGH
YOU TRY ALWAYS TO BE REALLY
DIPLOMATIC, I SEE THE KIND OF
LOOK, THE CORNERS OF THE EYES
GET A LITTLE TIGHT, AND I
KNOW YOU DON'T APPROVE OF
THE GUEST YOU'RE TALKING TO.
OR OF THEIR POLICIES
OR POLITICS.

Valerie says TRY GIVE YOU THE LOOK.

She laughs.

Richard says THAT'S IT.
THE PRINGLE PURSE.

Valerie says YEAH, IT SHOULD BE A
BIT MORE BALL-EYED.
PETER DOWNEY ALWAYS HAD A
GREAT EXPRESSION FOR PEOPLE
KIND OF LOOKING LIKE THAT.
MY KIDS LOOK AT ME WITH WHAT
I CALL THE POACHED EGG LOOK.

Richard says YEAH.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Valerie Pringle. Broadcaster."

Valerie says BUT NO, I GUESS I
GET MORE STEELY-EYED.

Richard says WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE
TO TALK TO THESE PEOPLE THAT
YOU REALLY HAVE NO USE FOR?

Valerie says I GUESS, YOU KNOW,
MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I DO.
I SHOULDN'T.
WHO IS TOTALLY IMPARTIAL?
AND SOMETIMES, ON BEHALF
OF THE AUDIENCE, YOU'RE
PERFORMING THIS ROLE THAT YOU
ARE SORT OF TAKING SOMEONE TO
TASK, WHETHER IT'S ONE OF
THESE CUBAN AMERICANS WHO
WOULD LIKE TO PROSECUTE ALL
CANADIAN BUSINESSMEN AND
TRAVELLERS WHO HAVE ANY TRUCK
OR TRADE WITH CUBANS, AND GO
RANTING OFF, AND YOU SORT OF,
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE YOU WANT
TO GIVE A HARD TIME
TO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
THEY DESERVE TO BE
PUSHED A LITTLE BIT.
BUT IT'S TRUE, THERE ARE
TIMES WHEN I DO FEEL LIKE,
YOU KNOW, HMM...
BUT DON'T YOU ALWAYS WANT TO
SAY WITH SOMEONE, OH, COME ON?

Richard says YEAH.

Valerie says I HAVE INTERVIEWS IN MY
BRAIN WHERE I'M ALWAYS GOING,
OH, COME NOW.
I LOVE THAT LINE.
BUT I DON'T OFTEN
GET TO SAY IT.
OH, COME NOW.
OH, YOU REALLY EXPECT
ME TO BELIEVE THAT.

Richard says NOW, WHY DO YOU STOP
YOURSELF FROM DOING THAT?

Valerie says LET'S BE FRANK.
IT HASN'T OFTEN JUST SORT OF
POPPED INTO MY MIND AS THE
NEXT LINE.

Richard says WOULD YOU DO IT IF
IT WAS OVERWHELMING?

Valerie says I WOULD WANT TO.
AND THERE WERE TIMES AND, YOU
KNOW, WHEN I'VE WANTED TO DO
IT, TOO, AND I'VE DETERMINED
THIS WILL HAPPEN SOMETIMES,
IN SHOWBIZ INTERVIEWS.
YOU KNOW, YOU INTERVIEW ACTORS
AND PEOPLE ON MOVIE JUNKETS,
MOSTLY IT'S MOVIE STARS
WHO ARE OFTEN, LOATHSOME,
UNCOOPERATIVE, SELF-CENTRED,
OBNOXIOUS, EGOTISTICAL.

Richard says BUT HOW DO YOU REALLY
FEEL ABOUT THEM?

Valerie says AND SO BUT, YOU KNOW,
IT'S PART OF A THING.
IT'S A GAME.
WE WANT SOME OF THEIR
CELEBRITY AND THEIR APPEAL
BECAUSE WE WANT THE AUDIENCE,
AND THEY NEED US BECAUSE IT'S
CHEAPER TO GET AN INTERVIEW ON
TV THAN IT IS TO BUY AD TIME.
SO, YOU KNOW, THESE MOVIE
THINGS ARE KIND OF A FUNNY,
SYMBIOTIC THING.
AND THEY ARE ALWAYS THE MOST
PLEASANT INTERVIEWS TO DO.
SOMETIMES THEY ARE.
AND SOMETIMES IT'S FUN,
VICARIOUSLY TO MEET
JOHN TRAVOLTA, OR JULIE
ANDREWS, OR GREGORY PECK.
BUT I REMEMBER INTERVIEWING
HOLLY HUNTER AFTER
THE PIANO
CAME OUT.
AND SHE WAS DOING A
MOVIE JUNKET IN TORONTO.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBER I
WAS ON THE LIST, BUT I'D SEEN
THE MOVIE, LOVED THE MOVIE,
READ ABOUT HER, SO I'D
INVESTED, TWO, THREE HOURS IN
THIS 5-MINUTE CONVERSATION.
SHE CAME IN THE ROOM, AND
I ALWAYS THOUGHT SHE WAS
FABULOUS FROM
BROADCAST
NEWS
AND STUFF.
WE OFFERED HER A CAPPUCCINO,
JUST DO THE USUAL, WARM-UP,
WHICH OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WORK.
AND I ASKED HER WHAT I THOUGHT
WERE REASONABLE QUESTIONS
WORTHY OF HER CONSIDERATION.
SHE LOOKED AT HER KNEES,
SHE LOOKED AT HER FEET,
SHE COULDN'T HAVE GIVEN A HOOT.
AND AT THAT MOMENT, I THOUGHT
I'VE DONE TOO MANY OF THESE.
BUT THERE'S A CREW THERE WE'VE
PAID FOR AT CTV, SENT IT DOWN,
THERE ARE TWO GUYS,
IT COST A LOT OF MONEY,
THE PRODUCER IS THERE.
THEY ARE WAITING FOR THEIR FIVE
MINUTES OF AIR TIME THE NEXT
DAY BECAUSE THEY'VE PROMOTING
HOLLY HUNTER IS GOING TO BE ON.
SO YOU KEEP GOING.
AND THAT WAS THE ONE I SAID, I
WILL, I'LL STOP IT, I'LL SAY,
LOOK, WE ARE JUST WASTING
EACH OTHER'S TIME.
BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED QUITE
SINCE TO BE BAD ENOUGH WHERE
I WANT TO DO IT.

Richard says TO GET YOU ANNOYED ENOUGH.

Valerie says BUT I THINK I'M TOO
OLD FOR THIS NOW.
I'VE DONE TOO MANY OF THEM.
YOU MAY SAY YOU'RE MY TENTH
INTERVIEWER TODAY, AND I
THINK, WELL, YOU ARE MY
5,000th INTERVIEWEE THIS MONTH.

Richard says I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE
OF THE SHOWS YOU'VE DONE,
LIKE
MIDDAY
AND
CANADA A.M.,
BUT WE SEEM TO KNOW MORE
ABOUT YOU, AND FEEL WE KNOW
MORE ABOUT YOU THAN WE DO.

Valerie says KATHY LEE.

Richard says NO, NOT TO THAT POINT.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD DETAILED
DESCRIPTIONS, I GUESS BECAUSE
YOUR KIDS WERE TOO OLD FOR
TOILET TRAINING BY THE TIME WE
GOT INTO ALL OF THAT, BUT WE
DO FEEL YOU ARE A REAL PERSON.
PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED TO SAY,
WE KNOW VALERIE LIKES TO DO
THIS, AND SHE LIKES TO DO
THAT, WHEREAS A LOT OF THE
OTHER ANCHORS, ESPECIALLY THE
FEMALE ANCHORS, HAVE TO DO A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISTANCING.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT REALLY
AN ANCHOR, ARE YOU?

Valerie says I GUESS I AM.
THERE ARE A COUPLE
OF THINGS ABOUT THAT.
ONE IS I'VE NEVER BOUGHT INTO
THAT IDEA THAT YOU HAVE TO BE
SERIOUS OR NOT
AND PLAY A ROLE.
SOME PEOPLE DO THINK I'M A NEWS
ANCHOR, TAKE ME SERIOUSLY.
I'VE FOUGHT LONG AND HARD FOR
THIS, AND I'M NOT GOING TO
GIVE ANY GROUND ON IT.
SO YOU ARE ONE OR T'OTHER.
AND THAT'S A PERSONAL CHOICE.
I DON'T SEE THAT.
YOU KNOW?
PEOPLE LAUGH, AND THEY
CRY AT FUNERALS WITHIN
THE SPACE OF 30 SECONDS.
YOU KNOW, LIFE IS LIKE THAT.
THINGS CAN BE FUNNY, GOOFY,
SAD, ENORMOUSLY SERIOUS,
SOLEMN, PENSIVE, THOUGHTFUL.
YOU CAN HAVE A RANGE.
SO I SORT OF RESERVE THE
RIGHT TO MAYBE HAVE THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS I HAVE SORT
OF CHOSEN TO DO, AND I'VE
CHOSEN DAYTIME SHOWS
BECAUSE I'VE GOT A FAMILY.
SO YOU'RE AT A
DIFFERENT TIME OF DAY.
CANADA A.M.
IS A VEHICLE,
IT'S A LONG SHOW,
IT'S MOSTLY UNSCRIPTED,
SO YOU GET, THERE'S
SOME LOOSENESS THERE.
YOU CAN SORT OF TOSS IN A
LINE THAT MAY BE PERSONAL.
SO IF YOU ARE RELATING PERSONAL
THINGS IN INTERVIEWS,
THAT'S ONE THING, BUT IT
MAY BE JUST AN AD LIB.
MIDDAY
WAS A
LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT.
MAYBE A LITTLE LESS SO.
CANADA A.M.
IS A
LOT LIKE THAT.
PEOPLE USED TO SAY, IT WAS
FUNNY, WHEN I FILLED IN
FOR BARBARA FRUM, FOR
EXAMPLE, ON
THE JOURNAL.
FIRST OF ALL, THEY'D
FAINT CONGRATULATING YOU
THAT YOU'D MADE IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'D BEEN
FLOWN UP TO THE BROWNIES
FROM THE TWEENIES, YOU KNOW, IT
WAS SUCH AN IMPRESSIVE THING.
AND I'D THINK,
WELL, THAT'S GREAT.
FUNNY ABOUT PRIME TIME, THOUGH,
THE REACTION OF PEOPLE.
THE SAME THING IS, THEY'D
SAY, BUT YOU WERE SO SERIOUS,
YOU KNOW?
I WAS THINKING YOU'D
BE LIKE VALERIE FUNNY.
AND I THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW,
I'M SORRY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
TIANANMEN SQUARE, WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT BOSNIA,
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE CSIS OR SOMETHING,
THEY DON'T LEND THEMSELVES.
IF I DO THESE THINGS
ON
CANADA A.M.
OR
MIDDAY, THEY HAVE A FAIR
BIT OF GRAVITY THEN, TOO.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE A
GOOF ALL THE TIME, OR THAT
EVERYTHING HAS GOT
SOME FUN TO IT.

Richard says YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK,
THOUGH, IS THE BEST THING,
IS THAT YOU DON'T JUST
KIND OF CHATTER ON.
I'LL JUST TAKE -- I HAPPENED
TO WATCH
CANADA A.M.
THIS MORNING, AND YOU
DID SOMETHING GREAT.
I WAS WATCHING, THERE WAS A
LITTLE NEWS CLIP AT THE TOP OF
THE HOUR, AND HILLARY CLINTON
AND BILL CLINTON WERE GETTING
OFF A HELICOPTER,
AND SHE REACHED OUT
AND GRABBED HIS HAND.
AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF,
WATCHING IT, HILLARY,
WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO KID?
AND I THOUGHT, OH,
RICHARD, YOU'RE MEAN.
YOU GOT ON THE AIR RIGHT
AFTER, AND YOU SAID, SO HOW
MANY TIMES DO YOU TAKE YOUR
HUSBAND'S HAND WHEN YOU GET
OFF A HELICOPTER?

Valerie says I KNOW.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE NEWS
OPENING, I'M SUPPOSED TO BE
SERIOUS IN THOSE, BUT THAT
PICTURE, I JUST THOUGHT,
'OH, PLEASE'.

Richard says SEE, YOU DID SAY IT.

Valerie says I GRABBED LESLIE'S HAND.
LESLIE WAS HORRIFIED.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT
LOOKED SO PHONY.
NOBODY BELIEVED FOR ONE
MINUTE THAT THEIR NATURAL
INCLINATION WOULD BE TO CLASP
EACH OTHER'S HANDS AFTER
THEY WALK OFF AN AIRPLANE.

Richard says I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT A
MOMENT LIKE THAT WHICH WAS A
GREAT, UNCENSORED
HONEST RESPONSE.
IS THERE A GOOD VALERIE
AND A BAD VALERIE,
ONE ON EACH SHOULDER?
AND GOOD VALERIE'S SAYING,
VALERIE, DON'T SAY THAT.
AND THE BAD VALERIE'S SAYING,
GO ON, SAY IT, SAY IT?

Valerie says NO.
[laughing]
MOSTLY IT'S LIKE THE GUMBALL
MACHINE, AND THE THOUGHT FORMS
AND ROLLS OUT, AND
DOWN THE TONGUE.
NO, I MEAN, I CAN
CENSOR MYSELF.
I KNOW WHAT BAD WORDS
I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY.
AND, OCCASIONALLY, YOU
RESERVE, OR A LOT OF TIMES
YOU RESERVE COMMENT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING,
THE NICE THING ABOUT A SHOW
LIKE THAT IS, A, IT'S LIVE.
THERE'S NO PRODUCER TO GO,
WILL YOU PLEASE DO THAT
AGAIN, PLEASE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS FUNNY.
I DON'T THINK THE
AUDIENCE WILL GET IT.
I DON'T THINK
IT'S APPROPRIATE.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL WORK,
AND MAKE YOU DO IT AGAIN,
WHICH OFTEN HAPPENS
IF IT'S A TAPED SHOW.
SO YOU CAN JUST DO IT.
IT WASN'T MEANT TO BE...
IT WAS JUST A COMMENT.

Richard says AND IT WORKED, THOUGH.
AND THAT'S WHY
IT KEEPS WORKING.
AND THEY LET YOU
HAVE THAT FREEDOM.

Valerie says OH, SURE.
WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO?
UNLESS THEY THOUGHT, AND THIS
WOULD BE FAIR, IF THERE WAS
SOME EVIDENCE THAT WHAT
I'D SAID WAS COMPLETELY
INAPPROPRIATE OR DAMAGING
OR PARTICULARLY STUPID.
BUT I THINK I'D FEEL A LOT
WORSE THAN ANY PRODUCER WOULD
IF I DID THAT.
YOU KNOW?
YOU FEEL YOU HAVE A
RELATIONSHIP TO THE
AUDIENCE, TOO.
I ABSOLUTELY FEEL THAT.
I DON'T FEEL I'M BROADCASTING
TO A SOUP CAN OR TO A TV
OR SOMETHING.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE LOVED
ABOUT DAILY BROADCASTING.
GOOD MORNING, GOOD
MORNING, GOOD MORNING.
IT'S EITHER FOLLOWING AN
ELECTION OR A REFERENDUM, OR
THERE'S A HEAT WAVE, OR A
DISASTER HAS HAPPENED, OR
NOTHING'S HAPPENED, OR THE
STANLEY CUP'S BEEN WON,
OR SOMETHING.
BUT YOU ARE SORT OF, THERE'S A
CONCEPT, YOU ARE THERE EVERY
DAY IN PEOPLE'S LIVES.
AND I LIKE THAT.
WHEN I LEFT
MIDDAY,
I WAS
SAD TO LEAVE THE SHOW AND THE
CO-WORKERS, BUT I WAS SAD
TO LEAVE THAT AUDIENCE.
BECAUSE WHO KNOWS IF THEY CAN
WATCH IN THE MORNING, OR THEY
CAN FIND ME, OR IF THEY
WATCH CTV AS OPPOSED TO CBC?
THERE WAS A SADNESS IN THAT.
SO WHEN I SAY THESE THINGS,
I'M SAYING THEM TO MY AUDIENCE
WHO MIGHT JUST GO, OH,
VALERIE, YOU'RE A LITTLE
CRABBY TODAY.
DID YOU HAVE GRAPEFRUIT
JUICE FOR BREAKFAST, HONEY?
OR THAT'S A FUNNY LINE.
OR NOTHING.
OR WHAT A JERK, I'LL CHANGE
TO THE OTHER CHANNEL.

Richard says RIGHT.
TWO WORDS I WANT TO ASK YOU
ABOUT THAT I KNOW ARE MAYBE
THE BANE OF YOUR EXISTENCE.
AND THEY BOTH HAVE THE
SAME LETTER AS PRINGLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT ONE OF THEM IS.
YOU EVEN SAID IT YOURSELF.
YOU USED THE P WORD ABOUT
YOURSELF, WHICH IS PERKY.

Valerie says YUP, YUP.
I'M FREE TO USE IT NOW.

Richard says BUT YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T
LIKE PERKY BECAUSE YOU THINK
WHEN PEOPLE SAY PERKY
THEY MEAN AIR HEAD.

Valerie says YEAH, I THINK IT CAN
BE A DISMISSIVE WORD.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT.
PERKY HOST.
AND IF YOU WANTED TO BE
SENSITIVE ABOUT THESE THINGS,
YOU'D THINK, WELL, THAT'S ONE
THING THAT THE SERIOUS NEWS
JOURNALIST COULD USE
AS A DISMISSIVE THING.
WELL, YOU KNOW,
SHE'S VERY PERKY.
AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT
THINKING, BOY, I LOVE HER
ENERGY AND HER VERVE AND
HER BRAINS AND HER INCISIVE
QUESTIONS, THEY'RE SAYING,
YOU KNOW, PERKINESS DOESN'T
CONNOTE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
SO IT USED TO BOTHER ME.
ACTUALLY, NOW THAT I'M
OLD AND I DON'T CARE,
I FIND IT FUNNY.
I'LL CALL MYSELF PERKY.
I CALL DAN PERKY.
YOU'RE PERKY TODAY.
WE'RE ALL PERKY.
WE'RE PERKY HERE.
AREN'T WE A PERKY BUNCH?
AND, IN FACT, WE ARE.
I MEAN, GIVEN A FINITE SCALE
OF HOW MOST PEOPLE ARE
BEHAVING AT 8 IN THE
MORNING, WE'RE OVER THE TOP.

Richard says ABSOLUTELY.

Valerie says BUT THEN, IT'S YOUR JOB.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO COME
ON AND GO, YOU KNOW,
GOOD MORNING.
I'M SORRY I'M NOT IN
A GOOD MOOD TODAY.

Richard says YEAH.
DID THE TV JOURNALISTS IN THIS
COUNTRY STILL GET UP YOUR
NOSE A LITTLE BIT?

Valerie says NO.
OH, YOU MEAN THE PRINT ONES?
WELL, I DON'T KNOW, MOSTLY,
I JUST GET IGNORED,
AND THAT'S JUST FINE.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY
GET UP AND WATCH MORNING TV.
WE HAD HUGE -- THIS SOUNDS
COMPLETELY SELF-SERVING,
BUT JUST FOR EXAMPLE, WE
HAD A HUGE INCREASE IN
RATINGS IN
CANADA A.M.
IT WAS OVER 20 PERCENT,
FOR AN OLD MOTHER OF A SHOW
THAT'S BEEN AROUND ALMOST
A QUARTER OF A CENTURY.
AND THEY'VE GONE UP, YOU KNOW,
A LOT IN THE LAST LITTLE WHILE.
WE COULDN'T GET ANYONE TO
WRITE A LINE ABOUT IT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE ALL THESE
OTHER SHOWS THAT FINALLY HIT
50,000 OR SOMETHING, AND WE'RE
HITTING ABOUT 1.6 MILLION IN
A SHOW, TUNING
IN AT SOME POINT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THESE
PEOPLE GET UP AND WATCH.
I DON'T THINK THEY CARE.
I THINK IT'S BORING FOR THEM.
IT'S JUST BEEN THERE FOREVER,
AND IT'S NOT SO INTERESTING.
AND I THINK I'VE SORT OF
ALMOST FALLEN INTO THAT
CATEGORY A LITTLE BIT, AND
THAT'S -- I DON'T LIKE A LOT
OF ATTENTION BECAUSE THEN YOU
SORT OF BEG FOR PEOPLE TO
TAKE SHOTS AT YOU.

Richard says SO THEY DON'T HURT YOU
MUCH ANYMORE DOING THAT?

Valerie says NO.
AND THEY NEVER DID MUCH.
I WAS NEVER WORTHY OF A WHOLE
LOT OF NEGATIVE ATTENTION
OR
POSITIVE ATTENTION.

Richard says OKAY, THAT'S ONE, THE
FIRST P WORD WAS PERKY.
THE SECOND ONE IS MAYBE A
LITTLE TRICKIER TO DEAL WITH.
IT'S THE PERFECT WORD.
VALERIE PRINGLE HAS
THE PERFECT LIFE.
VALERIE CAME FROM
A LOVELY FAMILY.
VALERIE MARRIED HER
CHILDHOOD SWEETHEART.
VALERIE LIVES IN
THE LAP OF LUXURY.
VALERIE HAS
WONDERFUL CHILDREN.
NOTHING HAS EVER GONE
WRONG FOR VALERIE.

Valerie says UNTIL NOW.
[laughing]
YEAH, I MEAN, AND I FEEL,
YOU KNOW WHAT I FEEL?
I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE
ABOUT THAT.
CERTAINLY, I WOULD SAY
NOTHING'S PERFECT.
I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH
THAT BECAUSE I SORT OF
LISTEN AND I THINK ANYBODY
LOOKING AT THIS, AND IN MANY
WAYS, I THINK A LOT OF
THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE.
AND I THINK I'M LUCKY.
I'M AFRAID TO SAY THEM.
THEY SEEM ALMOST LIKE SMUG,
SELF-SATISFIED, TEMPTING FATE.
AND YOU WORK.
SO I SORT OF GO,
I'VE BEEN LUCKY.
YOU MAKE CHOICES LIKE ANYONE
ELSE DOES, AND BOY, YOU SAY,
I'M LUCKY, I HAVE
A GREAT MARRIAGE.
I LOVE MY KIDS.
I HAD A WONDERFUL CHILDHOOD.
AND I GOT A GREAT JOB.
AND I CAN SAY THOSE THINGS.
AND I WILL TRY AND COUCH THEM.
TO MY SISTERS I HAVE TO SAY
THIS, WELL, I WORK VERY HARD,
I GET UP VERY EARLY.
YOU JUST KIND OF HAVE TO TRY
AND BE A PRO, AND YOU TRY AND
DO A GOOD JOB, AND YOU
TRY AND BE A GOOD MOM.

Richard says YOU MENTIONED THE
SIBLINGS IN YOUR FAMILY.
I RAN INTO YOU AT A SHOW
ONCE, WITH YOUR BROTHER,
WHO WAS HAVING A WONDERFUL
TIME, AND YOU TWO WERE GREAT,
YOU WERE LIKE KID BROTHER AND
SISTER OUT FOR THE EVENING.
I CAN WEAR THE DRESS I CAN'T
WHERE WHEN I'M OUT WITH ANDY.
I'LL WHERE THIS DRESS HERE.
I WONDER WITH YOUR SISTERS,
IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE, YOU
KNOW, 'COS THEY DID NOT OPT
FOR A HIGH PROFILE LIFE.
DO YOU EVER GET...?

Valerie says WELL THEY TEASE ME.
THEY DO TEASE ME A LOT.
AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M SURE
SOMETIMES THAT THEY GET,
AND IT'S HARDLY ON ANY
HUGE SCALE OF CELEBRITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN MY
DAUGHTER, YOU'VE GOT TO
KEEP THIS IN BALANCE.
OH, WELL, YOU GET
ALL THIS ATTENTION.
AND YOU DO WHEN YOU ARE IN
TV, GET THIS INORDINATE
AMOUNT OF ATTENTION.
I MEAN, MY HUSBAND WAS ALWAYS
REALLY SMART, AND I THINK
I'VE BEEN, WHO CARES?
I DON'T GIVE A HOOT.
I NEVER SORT OF THINK OF IT
FOR ONE MINUTE BEING ANY
DIFFERENT THAN
BEING ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU JUST DO THAT
FOR A LIVING.
BUT YOU DO GET
THIS BIG PAYBACK.
MAYBE FOR MY SISTERS
IT'S BEEN HARD.
THEY ALWAYS SAY, PEOPLE WILL
SAY TO US, WHAT DOES VALERIE
THINK ABOUT THAT?
THEY ARE ENORMOUSLY FUNNY
AND WONDERFUL COMPANY
AND GREAT TO BE AROUND.
WE'RE VERY CLOSE THOUGH.

Richard says SOMEBODY ONCE SAID THEY
THOUGHT THAT THE REALLY SMART
THING YOU DID WAS THAT YOU MET
A MAN AT 16 YOU FELL IN LOVE
WITH, YOU MARRIED HIM AT 20.
YOU DIDN'T WASTE 20 YEARS
TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO YOU WERE.

Valerie says THAT WAS TINA WHO SAID THAT.
WHAT'S THAT BUT LUCK?
HERE WE ARE 22, 20 YEARS
LATER, AND WE STILL LIKE
EACH OTHER.
WE STILL HAVE A
GOOD TIME TOGETHER.
WE'RE STILL GOOD
FOR EACH OTHER.
PARTLY THAT'S WORK, BUT
PARTLY THAT'S JUST LUCK.

Richard says DO YOU REMEMBER MEETING HIM?

Valerie says OH YEAH.
OH YEAH.

Richard says HOW WAS IT?

Valerie says I WAS ON A PICNIC WITH
A BUNCH OF FRIENDS.
I'D WORKED AS A WAITRESS
AT CAMP HURONTARIO,
THE FAMOUS CAMP
IN GEORGIAN BAY.
AND I WAS WITH A BUNCH
OF FRIENDS WHO HAD BEEN
COUNSELLORS AND
WAITRESSES THERE.
AND MET HIM ON A
PICNIC AT THANKSGIVING.
AND HE WAS A BIT HUNG OVER.
AND YOU'D THINK AT THE END OF
THE DAY THINKING, OH, WELL,
BECAUSE THESE WERE ALL HIS OLD
FRIENDS, OH, I'LL NEVER SEE
HER AGAIN, WHICH
IS THE CLASSIC.

Richard says WAS IT LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT?

Valerie says NO, I SAW HIM A COUPLE
OF MORE TIMES AFTER THAT.
I WAS IN GRADE 12, AND HE WAS
OFF AT UNIVERSITY AT THAT POINT.
BUT, AGAIN, THROUGH MUTUAL
FRIENDS, WE JUST SORT OF
BUMPED INTO EACH OTHER A FEW
MORE TIMES, AND THEN, OH,
'STARTED GOING OUT', AS
WE SAID IN THOSE DAYS.

Richard says YES.
REMEMBER DATING?

Valerie says YEAH, SO I MEAN HE WAS
COMING BACK AND FORTH
FROM UNIVERSITY.
AND WHEN I GRADUATED FROM
RYERSON, WE GOT MARRIED.
I REALLY WAS A CHILD BRIDE.
I WAS 20.
I USED TO ALWAYS THINK I FEEL
LIKE, YOU KNOW, LORETTA LYNN
GETTING MARRIED SO YOUNG.
BUT IT DID WORK OUT WELL.
WE WERE REALLY GOOD
FOR EACH OTHER.
WE REALLY SORT
OF GREW TOGETHER.
I WAITED SEVEN YEARS, I GUESS,
BEFORE I HAD MY FIRST CHILD.
BUT, IT'S INTERESTING
TO ME, YOU KNOW,
HOW WE WORK TOGETHER.

Richard says NOW, YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WANTED
FROM A MATE VERY EARLY ON.

Valerie says YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST TELL YOU,
YOU SAY THAT LINE, WHEN WE
GOT MARRIED, MY UNCLE SANG
THIS SONG AT OUR WEDDING,
HE WAD TOASTING THE BRIDE,
I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING,
YOU KNOW THAT SONG?
I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING, I
KNOW WHO I'LL BE, I'LL KNOW
SOMETHING, AND I
KNOW WHO I'LL MARRY.
THAT WAS THE SONG.
SO I GUESS EVEN THEN --

Richard says VALERIE KNEW WHAT SHE WANTED.

Valerie says SORT OF.
I DON'T WANT TO, AGAIN,
I HATE ALWAYS SOUNDING
LIKE I KNOW ANYTHING.
I NEVER WANT TO SOUND --
LIKE I HATE GIVING
ADVICE TO PEOPLE.
I NEVER TELL PEOPLE WHAT
TO DO BECAUSE YOU THINK,
WHO KNOWS WHAT
PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE.

Richard says WHAT ABOUT YOUR CAREER?
YOU COULDN'T -- I CAN'T
IMAGINE YOU SITTING DOWN
20-ODD YEARS AGO AND SAYING,
AND I WANT TO BE AN ANCHOR.

Valerie says NO, I'M NOT.
I SOMETIMES LISTEN TO OTHER
PEOPLE I'VE WORKED WITH
WHO ARE JUST FOCUSSED
AND AMBITIOUS AND
ON THEIR WAY SOMEWHERE.
I DON'T KNOW.
IT WAS AN INTEREST.
I WAS INTERESTED TO
GET INTO BROADCASTING.
AND I WENT TO RYERSON
AND STUDIED THAT.
I NEVER THOUGHT
I'D BE ON AIR.
I THOUGHT I'D BE A
PRODUCER OR SOMETHING.
AND I GOT ON AIR,
LIKED TELLING STORIES.
THAT HAPPENED TO BE
INTERVIEWING PEOPLE.
AND EVERYTHING JUST
SORT OF WAS A STEP.
I'VE NEVER PUSHED IT THAT FAR.
BUT I'M ALSO TENACIOUS ENOUGH,
I GUESS, AND I LIKE TO THINK
I'M A PRO.
SO I NOW FEEL LIKE
I'M GOOD AT WHAT I DO.

Richard says WHEN YOU GOT THE TAP ON THE
SHOULDER TO GO FROM RADIO AT
CFRB TO
MIDDAY,
WAS THAT AT
ALL DAUNTING, THE IDEA OF,
YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE FACE
AND THE WHOLE PERSONA
GOING TO BE OUT THERE?
OR WAS THAT WHAT YOU
REALLY HAD WANTED?

Valerie says NO, IT WASN'T.
AND ACTUALLY, WHEN I WAS IN
RADIO, I ALWAYS RESENTED THE
FACT PEOPLE KEPT ASKING WHEN
ARE YOU GOING TO GET INTO
TELEVISION, AS IF THAT
WAS SOME SUPERIOR BEING.
AND WHEN I WAS IN RADIO,
I LOVED THE INTIMACY
AND COMMUNICATION.
I JUST LIKED THAT
MEDIUM SO MUCH.
AND THE
MIDDAY
THING CAME
A LITTLE OUT OF THE BLUE.
I'D DONE A LITTLE BIT OF TV.
I WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS
ABOUT GOING TO THE CBC
BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH
A BIG MONOLITH,
AND I HAD BEEN IN
PRIVATE BROADCASTING.
AND THE TV, AND LUNCH HOUR
TV I WAS SUSPICIOUS ABOUT.
BUT THE PEOPLE THERE WERE
SO SMART WHO WERE PUTTING IT
TOGETHER AND RUNNING IT.
FINALLY I DID, AFTER TORTURING
MYSELF, WHAT HAVE I GOT TO LOSE?
YOU KNOW, I'M 30.
IF I FAIL AT THIS, OR THIS IS
AWFUL, I'LL GO BACK TO RADIO.
SIMILARLY, LEAVING
MIDDAY
TO GO TO
CANADA A.M.
I WAS TORTURED ABOUT LEAVING
MY FRIENDS AND LEAVING THE
CBC, WHICH I GREW TO ADORE, AND
GOING TO CTV, AND THE SORT OF
LEAN MEAN PRIVATE NETWORK.
BUT, AGAIN, IT WAS ABSOLUTELY
THE SMARTEST THING TO DO.
I NEEDED A CHANGE.
I NEEDED TO DO LIVE TV.
I WANTED TO DO OLYMPICS, I
WANTED TO DO NEWS SPECIALS,
SO IT WAS A GOOD THING TO DO.

Richard says MIDDAY
SEEMED KIND OF
MAGICAL FOR A FEW YEARS
THERE IN PARTICULAR.

Valerie says I KNOW.
I HAVE MY MAGIC
MIDDAY
WATCH HERE NOW.

She takes off her small watch with a metal wristband.

Richard says SEE?
DO YOU STILL FEEL
THAT WAY ABOUT IT?
THAT IT WAS A GOLDEN TIME?

Valerie says NOT EVEN SO MUCH THAT IT
WAS A GOLDEN TIME FOR THE
PROGRAM BUT, FOR ME,
TO START ANYTHING,
YOU ARE ENORMOUSLY
PRIVILEGED.
THERE'S SUCH A
SENSE OF EXCITEMENT.
IT WAS ONE OF THE LAST, THERE
HAVEN'T BEEN MANY NEWS SHOWS
ON THE CBC SINCE THEN, AND
THAT WAS 13 YEARS AGO.
BUT TO LAUNCH SOMETHING
NEW WITH THOSE PEOPLE,
IT'S VERY EXCITING.

Richard says I GUESS THE ONE THING THAT
STRUCK ME AS THE MOST UNIQUE
ABOUT IT WAS I REMEMBER THE
DAY YOU DID ROBIN WILLIAMS.
DO YOU REMEMBER
THAT INTERVIEW?

Valerie says IT WAS ONE OF MY TOTAL ALL
TIME FAVOURITE INTERVIEWS.

Richard says IT WAS SO SPECTACULAR,
BUT IT WAS LIKE
HE WAS BEING A DIFFERENT --

Valerie says I'M GLAD YOU SAID SO!

Richard says NO, IT WAS GREAT, BUT IT WAS
HIM BEING DIFFERENT THAN
I'VE EVER HEARD HIM BE
WITH ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE.
HE WAS ON, RIGHT, HE WAS
DOING HIS ROBIN SHTICK,
BUT YOU WERE KIND OF
CUTTING UNDER HIM.
AND NOT CUTTING, IT'S THE
WRONG WORD, BUT GETTING UNDER
HIM, AND GETTING HIM TO
REALLY TALK AT THE SAME TIME.
DID YOU FEEL...?

Valerie says IT WAS LIKE ANYTHING
YOU COULD WANT.
YOU HAVE THIS
IDEA ALL THE TIME.
I ALWAYS USE THE ANALOGY
OF CHARLIE BROWN AND THE
FOOTBALL, YOU KNOW?
THIS DREAM OF HOW IT IS
GOING TO BE, AND YOU END UP
FLAT ON YOUR BACK.
YOU'LL CONNECT WITH A GUEST,
AND IT WILL JUST WORK.
YOU'LL GET A RAPPORT,
AND YOU'LL GET THINGS
NO ONE ELSE DOES.
99 PERCENT OF THE TIME IT
DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
SO WITH ROBIN WILLIAMS, I KNEW
I WANTED FUNNY BECAUSE WHO
DOESN'T WANT TO SEE
ROBIN BEING FUNNY?
AND HE CAN'T HELP IT.
BUT I ALSO WANTED SOME OF HIS
LIFE AND HIS FEELINGS AND
SOME DEGREE OF SERIOUSNESS
BECAUSE THERE WERE ISSUES OF
DRUGS, AND HIS MARRIAGE
ENDING, AND KIDS AND STUFF,
THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING
TO HEAR ABOUT.
BUT IF YOU'VE GOT
NOTHING BUT THAT,
PEOPLE WOULD BE
UNSATISFIED.
SO THE DREAM WAS
TO MELD THE TWO.
AND IT HAPPENED THAT WAY.
IT KIND OF WENT THAT WAY.
AND THIS BEAUTIFUL SINE WAVE
OF THESE GOOFY AD-LIBBED FUNNY
THINGS THAT HAD ME WEEPING
WITH LAUGHTER, AND THEN GOING
BACK INTO A REAL -- WHEN I
TALK ABOUT RANGE, YOU KNOW?
YOU LOVE THAT.
THERE ARE MOMENTS IN LIFE.
YOU WANT LIFE TO BE LIKE THAT.
YOU WANT TO BE HYSTERICAL
ONE MINUTE, AND TOUCHED.
YOU MAKE 'EM LAUGH, YOU MAKE
'EM CRY, YOU WANT THAT.
I LEFT THAT ONE THINKING --
AND HE WAS SO NICE.
HE HUNG AROUND AND KIND OF
SHARED FOOD WITH PEOPLE,
AND HE CALLED ME THE
TECHNICOLOR LADY.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT.

Richard says YOU HAD MORE TIME WITH HIM.
AND I OFTEN WONDER, DO YOU
EVER WISH YOU COULD DO
LENGTHY INTERVIEWS?
LIKE BE BARBARA WALTERS?

Valerie says YEAH.
BE RICHARD OUZOUNIAN.
I'VE GOT DESIGNS ON THIS SHOW.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT EXISTED, BUT
NOW THAT I KNOW IT'S HERE.
BUT NO, YEAH, THAT'S,
TIME IS ALWAYS THE THING.
I MAKE THE PRODUCERS CRAZY.
AND THEY ARE ALWAYS MAKING
RUDE REMARKS ABOUT ME.
WELL, VALERIE ALWAYS
WANTS MORE TIME.
VALERIE ALWAYS THINKS EVERY
GUEST WAS WORTH MORE TIME.
AND I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF
AND SAY, NOT EVERYONE.
WRITE THIS ONE DOWN.
I THINK THIS ONE SHOULD BE
SHORTER, BUT THEN ALL THE
REST SHOULD BE LONGER.

Richard says BUT IF THEY GAVE YOU THAT
SHOW TOMORROW, AND SAID, OKAY,
IT CAN BE VALERIE --

Valerie says OH YEAH, I COULD TALK.

Richard says WHO DO YOU WANT?

Valerie says I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW WHO I
WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TALK TO,
AND I NEVER HAVE HAD A CHANCE
TO TALK TO IS NELSON MANDELA.
HE'S NUMBER ONE ON
MY WISH LIST NOW.
I'D ALWAYS LIKED
TO TALK TO TRUDEAU.
I NEVER GOT TO
TALK TO TRUDEAU.

Richard says I'D LOVE TO SEE THE TWO OF
YOU FLIRTING FOR HALF AN HOUR.

Valerie says YOU'RE NUMBER THREE, RICHARD.
[laughing]
THEN FROM THERE,
I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S INTERESTING, A PRODUCER
PHONED ME LAST YEAR TO SAY,
STOMPING TOM'S WRITTEN A BOOK.
WE MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE -- I
WENT, HE'S BEEN ON MY WISH
LIST FOR TEN YEARS.
THEY WERE SORT OF SURPRISED.
HE'S SUCH A GREAT GUY, YOU
COULD NEVER GET STOMPING TOM.
HE'S SUCH A COOL GUY.

Richard says I REMEMBER YOU WITH BILL
MITCHELL WAS WONDERFUL, TOO.

Valerie says I KNOW.

Richard says IT WAS GREAT.

Valerie says SWEET BILL MITCHELL.
THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE
WHO ARE REALLY INTERESTING.
YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE
TIME TO BE ABLE TO CHAT
WITH THEM.

Richard says YOU KNOW WHEN ELSE I REALLY
SEE THE LIGHT COME ON BEHIND
YOUR EYES, AND I WONDER,
WE'VE ALL KNOWN
YOU'RE A CLOSET
JOCK FOR A WHILE.

Valerie says DID YOU SEE MY DAY?

Richard says YES.
THERE YOU WERE.

Valerie says BROADCAST HISTORY.

Richard says BUT NOW YOU CAN DO, WHEN
YOU WERE THERE AT THE WINTER
GAMES, I KIND OF FELT, THIS
IS WHAT VALERIE WANTS TO DO.
WHEN WE HAD THE SKATING
COMPETITIONS AS WELL,
I THOUGHT THIS WAS YOUR
SECRET DREAM IS TO REALLY BE,
ESPECIALLY A WINTER
SPORTS 'JOCKETTE'.
IS THAT CLOSE TO IT?

Valerie says TO A DEGREE.
I LOVE IT.
AND I LOVE SPORTS.
IF I'VE GOT A FREE DAY, I
WILL DEFINITELY GO WORK OUT
SOMEHOW, AND THAT WOULD
PROBABLY, IF I HAVE A HOBBY,
IT WOULD BE SPORTS.
AND I LOVE WATCHING THE LEAFS.
I LOVE WATCHING HOCKEY.
MY KIDS ARE ATHLETES.
SO, YEAH, IT'S AN
INTEREST OF MINE.
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE DAY
WHEN THE SPORTSCASTER LOST
HIS VOICE, AND I
READ THE SPORTSCAST.
WHICH WAS ASTOUNDING.
GOING TO LILLEHAMMER, WAS,
I THINK, THE MOST THRILLING
THING I'VE EVER DONE
AS A BROADCASTER.
I LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT.
I HAD TO FIGHT, I GUESS, IN
A WAY TO GET TO AN OLYMPICS.
I KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF
PEOPLE WHO I GATHER, PEOPLE
HAD SEEN LOTS OF NASTY THINGS
IN THE NEWSPAPER, AND YOU
SORT OF EXPECT THAT.
IN FACT, THERE WAS A FUNNY
LINE, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH
SPORTSCASTER WROTE IT, WHEN
THEY HEARD THE CBC HAD OUTBID
CTV FOR THE NAGANO GAMES SAID
THEY PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE
MADE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE
CBC'S BID JUST TO KEEP ME
OFF THE AIR.
YOU HATED ME THAT MUCH, EH?
WOW, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
YOU'RE PAYING TAX DOLLARS AND
SOMETHING OUT OF YOUR POCKET.

Richard says BUT YOU SAID THAT
DOESN'T HURT YOU.
WOULDN'T A COMMENT
LIKE THAT GET TO YOU?

Valerie says NO, WELL, WHAT
ARE YOU GONNA DO?
HE THOUGHT I WAS AWFUL.
HOW DO YOU MAKE
PEOPLE LIKE YOU?
THE ONES THAT KILL ME ARE THE
ONES WHO SAY, I WATCH YOU
EVERY DAY, AND
YOU DRIVE ME NUTS.
GET RID OF THAT.
YOU THINK, YOU HATE ME THAT
MUCH, BOY, ARE THERE NOT
ENOUGH CHOICES OUT THERE?

Richard says THERE ARE OTHER
CHANNELS, YEAH.

Valerie says BUT THEN YOU GET ALL THE
OTHER PEOPLE WHO COME UP TO
YOU IN LOBLAWS OR WHATEVER,
WHO SAY I LOVED WATCHING YOU
AT THE OLYMPICS.
AND THAT WAS GREAT.
NOT THAT YOU SORT
OF TAKE A POLL.
I LOVE THAT I FELT
GOOD ABOUT IT.
I THINK I DID A GOOD JOB.
SO IF SOME SPORTS PEOPLE
DIDN'T THINK I KNOW ENOUGH,
OR HAD THE CREDENTIALS,
OR DID A LOUSY JOB,
THEN THAT'S THEIR RIGHT.

Richard says DO YOU HAVE A KIND
OF A SPORTS IDOL?
SOMEONE YOU WOULD HAVE LIKED
TO HAVE BEEN, OR WANTED TO BE?

Valerie says DO YOU KNOW WHO I
WORSHIPPED WAS NANCY GREENE.
WHEN SHE WON THOSE
MEDALS, I WATCHED HER.
AND I'VE TOLD HER THIS.
I WATCHED THOSE WINNING RUNS
FROM GRENOBLE PROBABLY
ABOUT 4,000 TIMES.
I WAS WATCHING THE 6:00
NEWS, THE 11:00 NEWS.
AND WHEN THEY HAD A PARADE
IN TORONTO, I WENT TO THE
PARADE, AND THEN FOLLOWED HER
BACK TO HER HOTEL AND HAD
A PICTURE TAKEN WITH HER.

Richard says A GREENE GROUPIE.

Valerie says NEXT TO A STALKER.
YEAH.
ISN'T THAT FUNNY?
I'VE LOOKED FOR THAT PICTURE.
I'M SORT OF HAPPY
I CAN'T FIND IT.
I THINK I WOULD BE AN ENORMOUSLY
UNATTRACTIVE TEENAGER.

Richard says WINTER SPORTS PASSION LYING
THERE DEEP IN YOUR SOUL.

Valerie says YEAH.

Richard says IS THERE SOMETHING LURKING
ON THE HORIZON FOR YOU?
OR IS IT GOING TO
BE
CANADA A.M.
UNTIL THEY HAVE TO
BRING OUT THE WALKER
TO GET YOU TO
DO THE PIECES?

Valerie says I DON'T KNOW, UNLESS I'M
IN A WALKER VERY SOON.
I DON'T KNOW.
SEE, THIS IS MY PROBLEM.
YOU SAY ABOUT HOW
MY CAREER HAS GONE.
THE FACT IS, I'VE NEVER BEEN
SELF-DIRECTED, SAYING I'M
GOING TO PRODUCE MYSELF,
I'M GOING TO MAKE A SHOW,
I'LL DO THIS.
LIFE, I'VE GOT TOO MANY
OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
SO THE FOCUS ON WORK IS WORK
TIME, AND THEN I FOCUS
ON OTHER THINGS.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF SOMEONE
WENT, YOU, HONEY, THIS IS
THE NEXT SHOW FOR YOU.
THE FACT IS RIGHT NOW
I LOVE WHAT I'M DOING.
I LOVE LIVE.
I LIKE THE ENERGY OF IT.
I LOVE THE SHOW AND
THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH.
THE HOURS SORT OF STINK.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I'VE
GOT ALL DAY TO LIVE MY LIFE,
AND SEE MY KIDS,
AND DO OTHER THINGS.
I'M JUST A LITTLE
CRABBY AT NIGHT.
SO YOU DEAL WITH THAT.
I'M HAPPY ENOUGH THAT I'M NOT
FORCED TO SORT OF PUSH OUT
AND DO OTHER THINGS.
I HOPE MAYBE AT
W-5
FOR CTV I
CAN DO SOME LONGER INTERVIEWS.
OR IF THERE'S A BIG INTERVIEW,
LIKE I DID WITH THE FRENCHES
AND THE MAHAFFEYS AFTER THE
BERNARDO TRIAL HAD FINISHED,
SOMETHING LONG, OR SOMETHING
MORE IN-DEPTH LIKE THAT,
THAT THAT WILL GET A DIFFERENT
VIEWING OR A BETTER VIEWING.
THE PRIME TIME AUDIENCE, THIS
IS MAYBE A RARE GLIMPSE.
I'M NORMALLY, I SUPPOSE,
IN MY COFFIN AT THIS TIME.

Richard says I LOVE IT.
BUT YOU ARE CRABBY AT NIGHT.
THAT'S THE ONE THING I'M
GOING TO WALK AWAY WITH
FROM THIS INTERVIEW, THAT
YOU ARE NOT PERFECT.

Valerie says OH, I'M A WITCH AT NIGHT.
OH, NOT PERFECT, BOY.

Richard says BUT I TELL YOU, THE REST OF
THE DAY YOU'RE PRETTY DARN GOOD.

Valerie says THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

Richard says THANK YOU, VALERIE.

He faces the screen and says
VALERIE PRINGLE, WHETHER IT'S
EARLY IN THE MORNING, MIDDLE
OF THE DAY, OR EVEN WHEN
SHE'S CRABBY AT NIGHT,
SHE'S REALLY NICE
TO HAVE AROUND.
FOR
DIALOGUE, I'M
RICHARD OUZOUNIAN.
GOOD-BYE FOR NOW.

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A production of TVOntario. Copyright 1996, The Ontario Educational Communications Authority.

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