Transcript: Show #48 | Jan 07, 1996

The opening sequence rolls.
Music plays as clips of politicians appear on an animated number 4.

Steve says THIS WEEK,
PUNDIT PREDICTIONS.
OUR POLITICAL ANALYSTS RATE
WHAT'S HOT AND WHO'S NOT
AT QUEEN'S PARK.

Steve and three panelists sit around a table in the shape of a number 4.

Steve is in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray jacket over a white sweater.

Steve says GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.
I'M STEVE PAIKIN, AND
WELCOME TO OUR FIRST
EDITION OF
4th READING
FOR 1996.
A GOOD TIME OF YEAR, WE
THOUGHT, TO LOOK BACK AT THE
BEST AND WORST OF POLITICAL
POLITICS AND TO LOOK AHEAD
AT WHO WILL BE THE BIG
NEWS MAKERS OF THIS YEAR.
SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, LET
US INTRODUCE THIS WEEK'S
WISE GROUP OF
SOOTHE SAYERS.
JANE PEPINO IS A TORONTO
LAWYER AND LONG-TIME
TORY ACTIVIST.
RICK MAHONEY IS AN OTTAWA
LAWYER AND FORMER PRESIDENT
OF THE ONTARIO
LIBERAL PARTY.
AND KAREN HASLAM WAS
MINISTER OF CULTURE FOR
BOB RAE'S GOVERNMENT, AND THE
FORMER MEMBER FOR PERTH RIDING.
HAPPY NEW YEAR
TO EVERYBODY.
WELCOME ONE AND ALL.
OKAY, SHALL WE
GET TO THIS?
SHALL WE GET
TO THIS?
AND THERE ARE EXTRA MARKS
HERE, INCIDENTALLY, FOR HUMOUR.
SO LET'S GET TO IT.
WHO WAS THE PERSON OF THE
YEAR AT QUEEN'S PARK IN 1995.
JANE?

Jane Pepino is in her forties with short gray hair. She’s wearing a black blazer with white dots, round earrings and a white shirt.

Jane says FOR ME IT WASN'T ONE
PERSON, A GROUP OF PEOPLE.
THE LITTLE SUNG BEHIND-THE-
SCENES PEOPLE WHO CRAFTED
THE COMMON SENSE REVOLUTION AND
TURNED THAT INTO THE CAMPAIGN.

A caption appears on screen. It reads "Jane Pepino. Ontario Tory Activist."

Steve says AND RICK,
YOU NO DOUBT AGREE
GIVEN THAT YOU HELPED
RUN THAT CAMPAIGN.

They laugh.

Rick Mahoney is in his forties, clean-shaven with wavy gray hair. He’s wearing a gray suit, blue striped shirt and patterned tie.

Rick says I'LL SAY, HOW ABOUT
HOW WE WENT OUT '96?

The caption changes to "Rick Mahoney. Ontario Liberal Activist."

Rick continues I'LL SAY ALVIN CURLING
WHO STOOD ALONE IN THE
LEGISLATURE TO STOP A
GOVERNMENT FROM DOING
SOMETHING IT SHOULDN'T
DO, WHICH WAS TO RAM AN
OMNIBUS BILL DOWN THE
PEOPLE'S THROATS.

Steve says INTERESTING ANSWER.
KAREN?

Karen Haslam is in her forties with short blond hair. She wears a black beret, white turtleneck sweater and black vest with orange flowers.

Karen says IT'S AMAZING
HOW POLITICAL IT IS,
BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BE ALMOST
APOLITICAL, ERNIE EVES.

The caption changes to "Karen Haslam. Former N. D. P. Cabinet Minister."

Steve says THAT'S APOLITICAL?

Karen says WELL, I DIDN'T PICK AN
NDP-ER, HE PICKED A LIBERAL,
SHE PICKED A TORY, I'M
NOT GOING TO BE THAT WAY.
I THINK ERNIE EVES WAS
THE NEWS MAKER OF '95.

Steve says BECAUSE?

Karen says BRINGING IN THE BUDGET,
THAT KIND OF PRESENTATION.
I THINK THAT MADE HIM
AROUND QUEEN'S PARK
THE MAN OF THE YEAR.

Steve says WE SHOULD SAY NOT ONLY
THAT, BUT DOING IT ALL AND
GRIEVING THROUGH THE LOSS OF
HIS SON WHILE HE WAS AT IT.

Karen says YES, YES, THAT WAS
THE OTHER THING.

Steve says A GOOD CHOICE.
A GOOD CHOICE.
OKAY, WHO WILL BE, AS WE
FORECAST '96, WHO WILL
BE THE ONE TO WATCH
IN THAT YEAR?
RICK?

Rick says WELL, JUST TO PICK OFF WHERE
KAREN LEFT OFF, I MEAN,
ERNIE EVES IS GOING TO
HAVE THE BUDGET, THAT'S
OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST THING
IN FRONT OF THIS GOVERNMENT.
I WOULD ALSO WATCH THE
OPPOSITION PARTIES.
WE DID SEE TOWARDS THE LAST
BIT OF DECEMBER WAS THE
FIRST SIGNS OF STRONG LIFE
IN THE OPPOSITION PARTIES
WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO
AFFECT A CHANGE IN THE AGENDA.
SO I'VE GOT MY
EYE ON THEM.

Steve says PICK A NAME.
WHO'S THE NEWS MAKER
OF THE YEAR IN '96.

Rick says '96?
THE NEWS MAKER OF THE YEAR?
THE FIRST CONSERVATIVE
BACK BENCHER TO STAND UP
TO THE TORIES.

[laughing]

Steve says OKAY, KAREN?

Karen says I'M GOING TO PICK
WILSON, THE HEALTH MINISTER.
I THINK HE'S GOING TO BE
BURNED IN EFFIGY WHEN HE
STARTS CLOSING HOSPITALS.
SO I THINK THAT'LL BE...

Steve says INCLUDING WOMEN'S
COLLEGE HOSPITAL,
WHICH IS WHAT JANE'S SPENDING
ALL OF HER DAYS WORKING ON.

Steve says PERSON OF THE
YEAR FOR '96?

Jane says I THINK IT'S GOING
TO BE MIKE HARRIS.
AND NOT INDIVIDUALLY, BUT
JUST AGAIN WITH THE GROUP.
WHAT IT IS THEY'RE
GOING TO DO.
THE WHOLE ISSUE OF HOW
QUICKLY THEY CONTINUE TO
STICK TO THE PROMISES.

Steve says WHO IS DESTINED FOR
POLITICAL OBLIVION IN 1996?

Whispering, Jane raises her index finger and says I KNOW,
I KNOW.

Steve says OKAY.

Jane says LYN MCLEOD.

Steve says WELL, THAT'S
AN EASY ANSWER.
SHE'S STEPPING DOWN.

Jane says SHE IS INDEED, BUT STEPPING
DOWN IS DIFFERENT FROM OBLIVION.

Rick says ONE THING I'LL
SAY ABOUT THAT IS, I MEAN,
LYN'S INDICATED OBVIOUSLY
SHE'S NOT GOING TO FIGHT
THE NEXT ELECTION CAMPAIGN,
SO SOME TIME IN THE NEXT
COUPLE OF YEARS WE'LL HAVE
A LEADERSHIP CONVENTION AND
ELECT A NEW LEADER,
SO THAT'S A GIVEN.
BUT I THINK WHAT PEOPLE
SAW IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
MONTHS WAS A LYN MCLEOD
THAT PROBABLY SURPRISED A
LOT OF ONTARIANS, MAYBE
EVEN A LOT OF LIBERALS WITH
SOME OF THE GRACE AND
DIGNITY THAT SHE FOUGHT...

Steve says AND THEREFORE SHE
DOES NOT DESERVE THE GOING
TO OBLIVION LABEL.

Karen says LEADERS DON'T
GO INTO OBLIVION.

Steve says NICELY DONE,
FORMER CHAIRMAN.
NICELY DONE.

Karen says LEADERS DON'T GO INTO
OBLIVION, SO I DISAGREE,
AND I DON'T THINK
SHE'LL BE INTO OBLIVION.
I THINK THE PERSON GOING INTO
OBLIVION WILL BE TSUBOUCHI.

Steve says SOCIAL
SERVICES MINISTER.

Jane says HE'S GOING TO
JUST FADE AWAY.

Steve says BECAUSE ONCE HE BRINGS
IN WORK FARE ON THE
HEELS OF THAT
WELFARE CUT...

Karen says YOU'RE TALKING OBLIVION
EVEN IN THE FUTURE,
AND I'M LOOKING
INTO THE FUTURE.
AND I THINK THAT'S
ONE THAT WILL BE GONE.

Steve says OKAY.
WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST
POLITICAL SURPRISE OF 1995?
LAST YEAR, BIGGEST
POLITICAL SURPRISE?
KAREN.

Karen says THE ELECTION.

Steve says THE RESULTS?

Karen says YES.
I THINK EVERYBODY WAS
TAKEN BY SURPRISE
AT THE ELECTION.
IT TURNED QUICKLY.
AND I THINK THE NUMBERS WERE
SURPRISING TO MANY PEOPLE.
AND I'D HAVE TO SAY THAT WAS
THE BIGGEST SURPRISE OF 1995.

Steve says FIRST TIME IN,
WHAT, 60 YEARS THAT
THE PARTY FROM THIRD
PLACE WENT TO FIRST.

Rick says MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO
FIND A GOOD PARTISAN ONE,
I'D HAVE TO AGREE.

Karen laughs.

Rick continues I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO
GIVE IT TO THE TORIES FOR
WINNING THE ELECTION.
THEY FOUGHT A VERY
GOOD CAMPAIGN.

Steve says JANE.

Jane says JUST TO PUT A SLIGHTLY
DIFFERENT SPIN ON IT BECAUSE
I THINK EVERYBODY WAS
SURPRISED, BUT WHAT I FOUND
REALLY TRULY SURPRISING OUT
OF IT WAS, AND AGAIN IN
HINDSIGHT, HOW THE WHEELS
SEEMED TO FALL OFF
EVERYBODY ELSE'S WAGON.
WE WERE CONFIDENT
WE HAD THE MESSAGE,
PEOPLE WANTED CHANGE.

Rick says JUST AFTER
WE'VE BEEN GRACIOUS,
THEN YOU GO INTO THAT.

Jane says NO, NO, NO BECAUSE
NO, IT WAS SURPRISING.
I DON'T MEAN
TO BE CRUEL.
IF ANYTHING, THERE IS
A COMPLIMENT IN THAT
FOR BOTH OF YOU.

Karen says WELL, WE DON'T
TAKE IT THAT WAY.

[laughter]

Karen says EXCUSE ME, YOU
MISSED YOUR POINT.

Steve says A COUPLE OF
HONOURABLE MENTIONS.
SURPRISED THE NDP DID
NOT FALL OFF THE FACE
OF THE EARTH?

Jane says YES.

Steve says WHEN VOTERS WANT TO TURN
LIKE THEY DID WITH THE
FEDERAL TORIES, THE NDP
CAME BACK QUITE NICELY.
AND HOW ABOUT TOM LONG AND
LESLIE NOBLE, THE CO-CHAIRS
OF THE TORY CAMPAIGN, STILL
SPEAKING AFTER THE CAMPAIGN
WAS OVER.
NOW
THAT'S
A SURPRISE.

Karen chuckles.

Rick says WE'RE
STILL SPEAKING.

Steve says YES, WE ARE.
WHO HAS BEEN, SO FAR IN
THE YOUNG LIFE OF THIS NEW
PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE
GOVERNMENT THE BEST
CABINET MINISTER?
KAREN?

Karen says I'D SAY ERNIE
EVES AGAIN.
IF I'M GOING TO PICK HIM AS
THE MAN OF THE YEAR, THEN I
WOULD HAVE TO PICK HIM
ALSO AS THE BEST MINISTER.
I THINK HE'S STRONG.
HE'S DECISIVE.
AND I WOULD SAY HE IS GOING
TO PROVE TO BE A VERY
STRONG PERSON.

Rick says TWO PICKS THERE.
ERNIE EVES SIMPLY
BECAUSE HE'S SO CENTRAL
TO THE GOVERNMENT.
BY ALL ACCOUNTS, BOTH HE AND
THE PREMIER ARE RUNNING
THE GOVERNMENT.
THE OTHER ONE, WHO IS A BIT
OF A SURPRISE, AND I'LL BE
A LITTLE PAROCHIAL HERE
IS NORM STERLING FROM THE
OTTAWA REGION.
I THINK HE'S THE ONE
MINISTER IN THE TORY
GOVERNMENT WHO HAS NEVER
BEEN ACCUSED OF BREAKING A
PROMISE AND HAS
KEPT TO HIS AGENDA.
AND HE'S QUIET BUT HE'S
COMPETENT, AND HE GETS
THE JOB DONE.

Steve says OKAY, JANE,
EASY ONE FOR YOU.
AND YOU CAN'T
SAY
ALL
OF THEM.

Jane smiles and says I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO
THE AFOREMENTIONED...
DAVE JOHNSON.

Steve says CHAIRMAN OF
THE MANAGEMENT BOARD.

Jane says JUST STEADY, GO AHEAD,
STRAIGHT UP KIND OF GUY, IN
HIS OWN QUIET EFFECTIVE WAY,
HE'S DONE WHAT HE'S HAD TO
DO, AND NOBODY'S REALLY
BEEN ANGRY AT HIM FOR IT.
WHICH IS, I THINK, A SIGN OF
HOW EVERYBODY VALUES HIM
FOR STRAIGHT SHOOTING.

Karen says BUT NEGOTIATIONS
ARE COMING UP...

Steve says WITH THE CIVIL
SERVICE, YOU MEAN.

Karen continues WHEN YOU SAID NOBODY'S MAD
AT HIM, YOU'RE PREEMPTING IT.

Steve says THIS MAY BE IS A LITTLE
TOO EASY A QUESTION,
BUT WHO HAS BEEN THE WORST
CABINET MINISTER IN THE
PC GOVERNMENT IN THE SIX
MONTHS THEY'VE BEEN
IN OFFICE.
AND LET'S GO TO
YOU FIRST, JANE.

Jane says I THINK THE ONE THAT'S HAD
THE MOST DIFFICULT TIME IS
DAVE TSUBOUCHI,
NO QUESTION.
I MEAN, HE JUST RAN INTO
A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROBLEMS
RIGHT OFF.
AND SOME OF THEM WERE
OF HIS OWN MAKING.

Steve says RICK.

Rick says TIE BETWEEN TSUBOUCHI,
LEECH, AND WILSON.
TSUBOUCHI AND LEECH FOR
SAYING DUMB THINGS, LEECH
NOT KNOWING THE BILL WHICH
WAS INTRODUCED THERE AND
HAVING TO ADMIT THAT, AND
NOT UNDERSTANDING IT.
AND WILSON, I THINK
UNDERSTANDS WHAT HE'S DOING,
BUT HAS RUN INTO A BRICK
WALL OF OPPOSITION,
AND MAY NEED TO
MAKE A TURN.

Steve says HEALTH
MINISTER WILSON.
OKAY.

Karen says I'M GOING TO
PICK DIANNE CUNNINGHAM
AS WOMEN'S ISSUES MINISTER.
SHE HAD TO SIT AT THE TABLE
AND WATCH THOSE CUTS COME
TO SINGLE MOMS AND CHILDREN
AND PEOPLE ON SOCIAL
ASSISTANCE, AND I HAVEN'T
HEARD A THING OUT OF HER.
SO SHE'S A
DISAPPOINTMENT TO ME.
I WILL SAY, SHE'S A
DISAPPOINTMENT TO ME,
AND I FIND HER THE WORST
MINISTER BECAUSE OF THAT.

Steve says OKAY.
WHO'S BEEN THE MOST
EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION MEMBER?
RICK?

Rick says NO BIG SURPRISE,
BUT SIMPLY FOR THE LAST
COUPLE OF MONTHS,
LYN MCLEOD.

Steve says KAREN?

Karen says FRAN.
FRANCES LANKIN.
I THINK SHE'S REALLY
BLOSSOMED AND DONE A
WONDERFUL JOB OF BRINGING
TO THE ATTENTION OF THE
PEOPLE THE INACCURACIES
THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THAT
HEALTH PART IN BILL 26.
AND WHEN WILSON APPEARED
BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, SHE
KEPT ASKING QUESTIONS, HE
KEPT TALKING AROUND IT.
SO I THINK SHE'S DOING AN
EFFECTIVE JOB, WHICH IS WHAT
SHE HAS TO DO IS
ASK QUESTIONS.

Steve says THE MAGNANIMOUS JANE
PEPINO WOULD SAY, THE MOST
EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION
MEMBER HAS BEEN?

Jane says I THINK FRANCES
LANKIN.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF
FRANCES, AND I THINK SHE'S
REALLY BEEN
DOING A GOOD JOB.

Steve says YOU'RE ALL WRONG.
THE ANSWER IS BOB RAE.

[laughter]

Steve says WHO HAS BEEN THE MOST
EMBARRASSING MEMBER
IN THE LEGISLATURE?
THERE ARE 130 CHOICES.
THE MOST EMBARRASSING
MEMBER HAS BEEN?

Jane says TO WHOM?
THEIR OWN PARTY?

Steve says TO WHOMEVER.
YOU FILL IN THE BLANK.

Jane sighs and says WELL, I FOUND -- THIS IS
HARD, ELEANOR KAPLAN,
I THINK, ON A COUPLE OF
OCCASIONS HAS SORT OF
EMBARRASSED HER
PARTY, A LITTLE BIT.

Steve says SHE GOT TURFED
ONE DAY FOR BLOWING UP.

Jane says THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S NOT
JUST BLOWING UP.
IT'S NOT JUST
BLOWING UP.
IT'S JUST THERE'S AN EXTRA
QUALITY THERE THAT KIND OF
LEADS ME TO NOMINATE HER FOR
EMBARRASSING AT THIS POINT.

Steve says GO AHEAD, RICK.

Rick says I GUESS I'VE GOT TO SAY
TSUBOUCHI ONLY BECAUSE
HE JUST KEPT TRIPPING UP.
COMMUNICATIONS PLAN, 69
CENT TUNA, HAGGLING WITH
STOREKEEPERS FOR GROCERIES.
THAT DOESN'T WORK.

Steve says KAREN?

Karen says I WOULD HAVE SAID
TSUBOUCHI, BUT I'M TRYING TO
BE VERY, VERY FAIR IN ALL
OF THIS, SO I'M GOING
TO GO WITH PALLADINI.

They laugh.

Karen continues ANY MAN WHO SAYS HE DOESN'T
SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH
SELLING HIS CARS FROM HIS
COMPANY TO HIS MINISTRY,
IS AN EMBARRASSMENT
TO THE GOVERNMENT.

Steve says OKAY.
WHO'S BEEN, NOW THIS IS VERY
HARD, THE CABINET MINISTERS
GET MOST OF THE ATTENTION,
AND THE BACK BENCHERS, AND
THERE ARE MANY IN THIS
GOVERNMENT, TRY HARD TO
SORT OF BREAK OUT OF THAT.
WHO'S BEEN THE BEST BACK
BENCHER FOR THE GOVERNMENT,
MOST EFFECTIVE?
RICK?

Rick says CHRIS STOCKWELL...

Karen says I AGREE WITH YOU.

Rick continues WHO HAS BEEN OUT SPOKEN WHEN
HE'S NEEDED TO BE, AND HAS
POINTED OUT SOME OF THE
FLAWS IN THE TAX CUT, WHILE
STILL BEING, I GUESS,
A LOYAL BACK BENCHER.
I THINK THAT
TAKES GUTS.

Karen says I'M SURPRISED.
AND I PICKED HIM ALWAYS
BECAUSE I'VE SEEN HIM IN
ACTION, BUT I'M SURPRISED
HE'S STILL A BACK BENCHER.
HERE'S A MAN WHO WAS THERE
IN THE LAST TERM AS A
MEMBER OF THE THIRD
PARTY, VERY STRONG IN THE
LEGISLATURE, VERY EFFECTIVE
IN QUESTIONING, A DIGGER,
FINDS OUT INFORMATION.
I WAS SURPRISED HE WASN'T
A CABINET MINISTER.

Steve says SO WAS HE.

Karen continues AND NOT EVEN THE
CHAIR OF A COMMITTEE.
NOT EVEN THE CHAIR
OF A COMMITTEE.

Steve says THERE'S A MESSAGE THERE.
BEST PC BACK BENCHER?

Jane says I WOULD ADD TO CHRIS
STOCKWELL, JANET ECKER.
I THINK SHE'S
DOING A GREAT JOB.

Steve says SHE'S A PARLIAMENTARY
ASSISTANT, SO SHE'S GOT...

Jane says YES, BUT SHE'S NOT
IN THE FRONT BENCH YET.
I THINK SHE'S A COMER, AND I
THINK SHE'S DOING EFFECTIVE
WORK AND REALLY
LEARNING VERY QUICKLY.

Steve says HERE'S WHERE YOU GET TO PUT
YOUR SOOTHE SAYING HATS ON.
DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD
IT IS TO SAY THAT?
IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY.

Jane says WE WERE COMPLIMENTING
YOU EARLIER.
[laughing]

Steve says BOB RAE...
DOES HE STAY OR
DOES HE GO?
JANE?

Jane says FOR HOW LONG?
JUST OVER '96?

Steve says NO.
DOES HE STAY AND FIGHT THE
NEXT ELECTION FOR THE NDP?

Jane says I DON'T THINK HE WILL.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY
NOT BECAUSE HE'S ACTING
AS IF HE WILL.
HE'S BEEN VERY GRACEFUL,
VERY DIGNIFIED, GIVING ALL
SORTS OF SIGNALS THAT HE'S
STILL COMMITTED AND HE'S
STILL THERE, AND HE'S PART
OF IT, YET PART OF HE SAYS
HE CAN'T WANT TO KEEP
ON DOING THIS FOREVER.
HE'S GOT A YOUNG FAMILY, AND
HE'S GOT SO MANY TALENTS
THAT HE COULD
USE ELSEWHERE.
I DON'T KNOW.
50-50.

Steve says RICK.

Rick says I THOUGHT AFTER THE
ELECTION HE WOULD GO.
BUT I NOW THINK, FOR SOME
REASON, HE'S GOING TO STAY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ON
THE ONE HAND THAT'S AN
ADVANTAGE OF THE NDP
BECAUSE HE'S SO WELL KNOWN
AND HE'S LIKED, ON THE
OTHER HAND, I THINK THE NDP
NEED TO HAVE A DEBATE ON
WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH RAE
STAYING IS IT'LL BE HARDER
TO HAVE THAT DEBATE
WITH HIM AS LEADER.
THEY NEED TO HAVE A DEBATE
ON WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO
BE A SOCIALIST, TRUE TO
THEIR SOCIALIST IDEALS...

Steve says OR MORE
CENTRIST OPTION.

Rick continues OR MORE CENTRIST OPTION.
AND IF RAE STAYS, THEY WOULD
LOSE THE ABILITY TO HAVE
PEOPLE LIKE FRANCES LANKIN,
FOR EXAMPLE, AND OTHERS
PRESUMABLY, LEAD
THAT DEBATE.

Steve says YOU'RE THE
ONLY ONE HERE WHO SAT
AT A CABINET
TABLE WITH HIM.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Talking to Rick, Karen says WELL, I AGREE WITH,
AGAIN, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK AT FIRST WHEN HE
WENT INTO ACADEMIA WE FELT
HE WAS SENDING A MESSAGE HE
WASN'T GOING TO BE STAYING
AND HE WAS DOING
SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT HE'S CHANGED, AND
HE'S MUCH MORE ATTUNED
TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
HE'S RIGHT IN
THERE FIGHTING.
YOU'RE RIGHT, HE HAS A YOUNG
FAMILY, AND LOTS OF OTHER
COMMITMENTS, BUT I THINK
HE'S GOING TO STAY.
HE LIKES THIS
KIND OF WORK.
HE LIKES TO DO THIS.
AND I THINK HE'LL STAY.

Steve says WHO WINS, THIS IS OUR CHANCE
TO BE NOT TOO MEAN SPIRITED
HERE, BUT JUST A TINY
BIT MEAN SPIRITED.

Laughing, Karen says THAT'S
ALREADY BEEN DONE.

Steve says WHO WINS THE 1995 AWARD
FOR 15 MINUTES OF FAME?
KAREN?

Karen says MY 15 MINUTES OF FAME
WHEN I WAS TALKING TO ONE
OF YOUR RESEARCHERS, I SAID,
OH, GEE, THAT'S HARD BECAUSE
WE'VE ALL HAD THAT
15 MINUTES OF FAME.
I'M GOING TO
SAY AL MACLEAN.

Steve says SPEAKER.

Karen continues SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE
OF THE DEBACLE IN THE HOUSE
OVER BILL 26.
THE LACK OF HIS CONTROL OF
THAT HOUSE RESULTING IN
ALVIN CURLING, WHICH IS
WITH 15 MINUTES OF FAME WAS
SITTING DOWN AND NOT
GETTING UP AGAIN.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S
AL FOR NOT CONTROLLING WHAT
WAS HAPPENING.

Steve says RICK?

Rick says THE ONLY THING ABOUT
ALVIN, IT MAY WELL BE
15 MINUTES OF FAME, BUT I THINK
WILL PROVE TO BE MORE FAMOUS
THAN THE BILL ITSELF.
THEY'LL MAKE CHANGES NOW.

Steve says HE'LL BE REMEMBERED
FOR TAKING A STAND.

Rick says AND THEY'LL MAKE
CHANGES TO THAT BILL AS A
RESULT OF THOSE HEARINGS.
SOME CHANGES.
I DON'T WANT TO BE BORING,
BUT I GUESS TSUBOUCHI.
AND I THINK HIS 15 MINUTES
WILL BE UP SHORTLY AFTER THE
NEXT CABINET SHUFFLE.

Steve says OKAY, JANE, YOUR TURN.

Jane says I HAD ALVIN CURLING, TOO.
I MEAN, IN THE TRUE ANDY
WARHOL SENSE OF THE WORD,
THERE HE WAS, AND THERE HE
GOES, AND THAT'S PROBABLY
WHAT WE'LL HEAR OF IT.

Steve says IN A WORD, DO THE TORIES KEEP
THEIR 30 PERCENT TAX RATE CUT
AS ADVERTISED IN THE
COMMON SENSE REVOLUTION?
RICK.

Rick says YES, I
THINK THEY WILL.
I THINK YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE
A QUEEN'S PARK INSIDER TO
KNOW ERNIE EVES
PROBABLY WOULD WANT THAT
30 PERCENT TAX CUT SHELVED,
BUT HARRIS HAS SAID HE'LL
RESIGN IF HE DOESN'T KEEP
IT, SO HE'LL KEEP IT.

Steve says KAREN.

Karen says YOU SAID AS IT WAS
WRITTEN IN THE COMMON
SENSE REVOLUTION...

Steve says WHICH MEANS EVERYBODY
GETS IT, NOT JUST...

Karen continues NO, NO.
YES, THEY WILL KEEP IT.
THEY'LL PUT CHANGES IN, AND
THEY'LL PUT A SPIN ON IT,
BUT THEY'LL
HAVE TO KEEP IT.

Steve says OKAY, JANE.

Jane says THEN MAYBE YOU DIDN'T READ
THE WHOLE COMMON SENSE
REVOLUTION BECAUSE IT
ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT THE TAX
CUT, BUT ALSO MADE IT VERY
CLEAR THAT THERE WOULD BE
FOR CERTAIN HIGH INCOME
EARNERS, FOR EXAMPLE, OTHER
KIND OF TRADE-OFFS.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I
THINK, YES, IT WILL FOLLOW
THROUGH, AND IT WILL BE VERY
SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS SPELLED
OUT IN THE GENERAL DOCUMENT.

Steve says NEW YEAR'S
PREDICTIONS.
LAST CATEGORY.
ANY PREDICTIONS FOR THE
UPCOMING YEAR IN TERMS OF
WHO'S GOING TO STAY, WHO'S
GOING TO GO, WHO'S GOING TO
DO THIS, WHO'S
GOING TO DO THAT?
STUFF THAT WILL
HAPPEN, WON'T HAPPEN?
KAREN.

Karen says OH, YOU CAUGHT ME UNAWARES.
PREDICTIONS?
I THINK THERE'LL BE
A CABINET SHUFFLE.
I THINK THERE WILL HAVE
TO BE A CABINET SHUFFLE.
SO THAT'S A
PREDICTION FOR 1996.
I THINK YOU'LL FIND...

Steve says WANT TO TELL US
WHO'S GOING TO GET DROPPED?

Karen says I THINK TSUBOUCHI
WILL BE SHIFTED.

Rick says POOR GUY.
HE'S TAKING A
HIT HERE TONIGHT.

Karen laughs and says HE DESERVES IT
RIGHT NOW.
WHO ELSE?
NO, I COULDN'T OFF THE TOP
OF MY HEAD PICK A FEW MORE
BECAUSE THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN
TWO OR THREE THAT HAVE BEEN
VERY, VERY PROMINENT.
THE REST HAVE KIND OF BEEN
IN THE BACKGROUND BECAUSE
OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN
HAPPENING IN THE LEGISLATURE.
SO IT'S KIND OF HARD
TO PICK FROM THERE.

Steve says RICK.

Rick says CABINET SHUFFLE
AND THEY'LL GET RID OF
AT LEAST TSUBOUCHI
AND LEECH.

Steve says AL LEECH
TOO, YOU THINK?
RAISED A LOT OF
MONEY FOR THIS PARTY.
WON A DOWNTOWN
TORONTO RIDING.

Rick says HE CAN CONTINUE TO DO
THAT FROM THE BACK BENCH.
THE OTHER THING I PREDICT IS
YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR A LOT
LESS ABOUT THE COMMON SENSE
REVOLUTION IN 1996, AS
EVERY GOVERNING PARTY HAS
TO GRAPPLE WITH GOVERNING,
AS YOU GET FURTHER AND
FURTHER AWAY FROM THE
ELECTION, YOU BEGIN TO GET
A LITTLE MORE UNCOMFORTABLE
WITH THAT WHICH WAS WRITTEN IN
STONE IN THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN.

Steve says OKAY, LAST 30 SECONDS
TO YOU, JANE.
PREDICTIONS?

Jane says NOT SO SURE ABOUT
A CABINET SHUFFLE.
IN THE EARLY PARTS.
I THINK OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALL
PREDICTING THE BUDGET, BUT
I THINK IT'LL HAVE TO BE
ANOTHER QUITE TOUGH ONE.
I THINK MAYBE BY THE END OF
THE YEAR WE MIGHT START TO
SEE SOME TURNAROUNDS, AND
START TO SEE A LITTLE BIT
OF BENEFIT, AND START TO
SEE SOME OF THE RESULTS OF
THE BELT-TIGHTENING AND THE
REORGANIZATION THAT'S BEEN
PUT IN PLACE.
I THINK THERE'S SOME
GOOD NEWS COMING, TOO.
SOME JOBS WILL START TO
COME AND SOME INVESTMENT.
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN A
LITTLE BIT OF IT ALREADY.

Steve says OKAY.
SIT TIGHT, WATCH THIS ITEM,
AND THEN WE'VE GOT A LOT OF
FUN FOR YOU STILL IN STORE.
SO MUCH FOR OUR
OPINIONS HERE.
WHAT DOES THE PUBLIC THINK?
OR DOES THE PUBLIC THINK
MUCH ABOUT QUEEN'S PARK
AT ALL?
WELL, TO FIND OUT, WE SENT
OUR ASSOCIATE PRODUCER
WILSON LEE OUT TO THE
STREETS TO CONDUCT OUR OWN
QUIZ ABOUT PROVINCIAL
POLITICS, AND HERE'S WHAT
HE FOUND OUT:

A clip plays.

Wilson says WHO ARE THE THREE PARTY
LEADERS AT QUEEN'S PARK?

A young man says THE THREE PARTY LEADERS?
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I KNOW THE NAME OF
THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

A man in his twenties says ANDREA MCLACHLAN LIBERALS.
SORRY.

A young woman says LINDA SOMETHING OR OTHER.

Wilson says MCLEOD.

The young woman says MCLEOD.

An elderly woman says WELL, MIKE HARRIS IS THE
CONSERVATIVE LEADER.
LYN MCLEOD THE LIBERALS.
AND BOB RAE THE NDP.

Wilson says WHAT IS THE
COMMON SENSE REVOLUTION?

The man in his twenties says OH, THAT'S A BIG QUESTION.

A man with brown hair says WELL, IT'S A MOVEMENT ACTING
THE WAY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO,
NOT THE WAY
PEOPLE TELL YOU.

A woman wearing a black hat says IT'S ALL THOSE LOVELY CUTS
MIKE HARRIS WANTS TO GIVE
TO ONTARIO, TO DRAG US
BACK INTO THE DARK AGES.

Asking a baby, Wilson says WHO WAS THE
LAST ONTARIO PREMIER?

A male teenager says OH, WHAT'S HER NAME?

The young woman says OH, YEAH, IT'S BOB RAE.
CAN'T FORGET BOB.

Wilson says WHO'S THE
MINISTER OF FINANCE?

A man wearing a cap says OH, ER, PAUL MARTIN?

A middle-aged woman says TSUBOUCHI.
I'M NOT SURE HOW
TO PRONOUNCE IT.

The young woman says IT'S THE GUY WHO MAKES UP
THAT LITTLE LIST FOR FOOD.
THAT'S RIGHT,
WITH THE TUNAS.

Wilson says WHO IS THE
SPEAKER OF LEGISLATURE?

The man with brown hair says FERNANDO.

A man in his late teens says DAMN, I USED TO KNOW.
GOD DAMN.
I CAN'T REMEMBER NAMES.
I'M BAD WITH NAMES.

The male teenager says WE'LL LOSE THIS GAME.

Wilson says WHO'S THE
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR?

The man in his late teens says WHO'S GOVERNOR GENERAL, I
MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET YOU
THAT ONE, TOO.

The young man says MY COMMANDING OFFICER
OF MY REGIMENT.

The young woman says HE CAME TO OUR SCHOOL
FOR OUR SCHOOL OPENING.

Wilson says WHAT'S
THE PINK PALACE?

A man with gray hair says THE PINK PALACE?
IT'S A STRIP JOINT ON
YONGE STREET, ISN'T IT?
[laughing]

The male teenager says WHERE THE PINK
PANTHER LIVES.

The man in his late teens says I'M AN ENGINEERING
STUDENT, NOT POLI-SCI.

Wilson says WHO WAS THE LAST
LIBERAL PREMIER OF ONTARIO?
LIBERAL PREMIER?

A man with long blond hair says OOH.

The man wearing a cap says ISN'T
THAT TURNER?

The man with long blond hair says NO, HE WAS FEDERAL.

The middle-aged woman says OH, IT STARTS WITH MC, I
WAS JUST THINKING OF IT.
LADY.

The elderly woman says DAVID PETERSON.

Wilson says HOW MUCH DOES
THE AVERAGE POLITICIAN IN
ONTARIO MAKE?

The woman with a black hair says TOO MUCH.

A woman wearing glasses says TOO MUCH.

The man with gray hair says ABOUT 80,000 DOLLARS.

The young man says IF YOU WORK OVER
THERE IN THAT BUILDING,
YOU'RE SET FOR LIFE.

Wilson says HOW BIG
IS ONTARIO'S DEBT?

The man with brown hair says AROUND 35
BILLION DOLLARS, AMERICAN.

The male teenager says ALMOST AS BIG AS MINE.

The young man says IT IS VERY, VERY BIG.

Wilson says WHAT'S BILL 26?

The male teenager says THE ONE RIGHT
AFTER BILL 25.

The man in his twenties says I READ A BIG BOOK ABOUT
IT, BUT NOT SURE IF I CAN
SURMISE IT.

The man wearing a cap says I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
I DON'T KNOW.

Wilson says IT'S ACTUALLY
LEGISLATION TO BAN WOODEN
HOCKEY STICKS BECAUSE
THERE HAVE BEEN TOO
MANY INJURIES.
The man with long blond hair says YOU'RE KIDDING ME.

The man wearing a cap says YOU'RE NOT.
BAN WOODEN
HOCKEY STICKS?

The man with long blond hair and the man wearing a cap lean on wooden hockey sticks.

The man with long blond hair says BECAUSE OF
TOO MANY INJURIES.
SO WHAT DO THEY THINK
ABOUT ALUMINUM STICKS?
THE SAME THING OR WHAT?

The man with long blond hair laughs.

The clip ends.

Back in the studio, Steve laughs and says IS THAT BOB AND
DOUG MCKENZIE.

[laughter]

Karen says THEY REALLY WERE
KEEN ON THAT.

Steve says WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK
TO DO AT THIS EDUCATION
NETWORK, I CAN TELL.

Rick says BILL 26 IS THE
ONE AFTER BILL 25.

Steve says THAT'S BRILLIANT.
THAT
IS
BRILLIANT.
OKAY.
JEEZ, I HOPE DAVID PETERSON
WASN'T WATCHING THAT, EH?
WHO WAS THE LAST LIBERAL
PREMIER OF ONTARIO?
OKAY, WE'VE GOT A QUIZ FOR
YOU GUYS, AND IT'S GOING
TO BE SLIGHTLY TOUGHER.
WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE A
WHOLE HELL OF A LOT TOUGHER
THAN WHAT YOU JUST SAW, AND
WE CAUTION PEOPLE AT HOME,
THESE PEOPLE ARE
PROFESSIONALS, PLEASE,
WE REMIND YOU,
NO WAGERING.

[laughter]

Karen says YOU REALLY PUT THE
PRESSURE ON US NOW.

Steve says WHO WAS, AND JUST YELL OUT
THE ANSWER IF YOU KNOW IT.

Karen says NO BUZZERS?

Steve says NO BUZZERS.
WHO WAS THE FIRST
PREMIER OF ONTARIO?

Rick says AL VERMONT.

Steve says NO.
ANYBODY?

Jane says SOMEBODY TOLD
ME SO I DARE NOT SAY.
I DIDN'T REALLY
HONESTLY KNOW IT.

Steve says SOMEBODY TOLD YOU?
YEAH.

Steve says OKAY, FESS UP.
WHAT'S THE ANSWER?

Jane sighs and says JOHN S. MACDONALD.

Steve says VERY GOOD.
JOHN SANFIELD
MACDONALD IS CORRECT.
WHO WAS THE LAST, YOU KNOW
THERE WAS A 42-YEAR TORY
REIGN IN THIS PROVINCE SOME
TIME AGO, IT'S A FAINT
MEMORY FOR...

Rick says I DON'T
REMEMBER THAT.

Steve chuckles and says WHO WAS THE LAST LIBERAL
PREMIER OF ONTARIO IN 1943
BEFORE THE DYNASTY BEGAN.

Rick says HARRY NIXON.

Steve says VERY GOOD.
BOB NIXON'S FATHER.
HARRY NIXON.
DONALD MACDONALD, FORMER
NDP LEADER, WHAT RIDING
DID HE REPRESENT?
IT WAS A
TORONTO RIDING.

Karen says BEACHES WOODBINE?

Steve says NO, A TORONTO RIDING AND
YOU SHOULD ALL KNOW IT.

Rick says ROSEDALE.

Steve says NO.
WRONG DONALD
MACDONALD.

Jane says THAT WAS FEDERAL.
OH, SHOOT.

Karen says MY OUT IS, I
WASN'T BORN THEN.

Steve says OH,
YES YOU WERE.
[laughing]
THE ANSWER IS?
THE SAME AS BOB
RAE, YORK SOUTH.
THERE YOU GO, GANG.
SHOULD HAVE
KNOWN THAT.
TWO PREMIERS HAILED
FROM PEEL RIDING.
THEY WERE?

Jane raises her finger.

Steve looks at her and says GO.

Jane says DAVIS.

Steve says BILL DAVIS.

Jane says AND...
SOMEBODY EARLIER
THAN DAVIS.

Steve says SOMEBODY EARLIER
THAN DAVIS IS ALSO CORRECT.
THE ONE AFTER
BILL 26.

[laughter]

Jane says PEEL.

Steve says YOU'VE GOT
TO GO BACK.

Rick says MITCHELL HEPPER.

Steve says NO.
TOO FAR EAST.
HE WAS ELGIN, I THINK.

Jane says HELP.

Steve says YOU WANT SOME HELP?
GEORGE DREW WAS PREMIER,
QUIT TO GO FEDERAL.
HE WAS A CARETAKER PREMIER
FOR A SHORT WHILE AND...

Jane says IT'S NOT
HELPING, STEVE.

Steve says 1943.
T.L. KENNEDY.
T.L. KENNEDY.

Jane says OH, OF COURSE.
IN FACT, HIS GRANDSON
IS IN THIS LEGISLATURE.
TED CHUDLEIGH FROM HALTON
NORTH IS HIS GRANDSON.
HE'S IN THIS
LEGISLATURE.

Jane says ARE YOU
WRITING A BOOK?

Steve says I'M NOT
WRITING A BOOK.

Karen says A GAME LIKE
TRIVIAL PURSUIT HERE?

Jane says HE
HAS RESEARCHERS.

Steve says HERE WE GO.
WHAT IS BILL
DAVIS' MIDDLE NAME?

Rick says GRENVILLE.

Steve says YES.
HOW DO YOU
KNOW THAT?

Rick says I'M A SICK PERSON
WHO KNOWS THESE THINGS.

Karen chuckles.

Jane says I THINK HE PROBABLY SIGNED
OUR NOTARY PUBLIC THINGS.

Rick says THAT'S RIGHT.

Steve says THINK BACK
TO THE MID-'70s,
FORMER LIBERAL LEADER OF
ONTARIO WAS STEWART SMITH.
WHAT WAS HIS NICKNAME?

Karen says SMITHY.

Rick says DOCTOR NO.

Steve says GOOD FOR YOU.
DOCTOR NO IS CORRECT.
SO DUBBED BY BILL DAVIS
BECAUSE OF HIS...

Rick says KEPT SAYING NO.

Jane says AND HIS PhD.

Steve says WHICH PREMIER WAS
NICKNAMED OLD MAN ONTARIO?

Rick says LESLIE FROST.

Steve says MAHONEY, YOU'RE
ON A ROLL.

Karen says WE'LL JUST SIT HERE AND
RAH, RAH, RAH CHEER FOR YOU.

Steve says WHICH PREMIER WAS NICKNAMED
THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD?

Karen says PETERSON.

Jane and Rick say JOHN ROBARTS.

Steve says PETERSON WISHES.
IT WAS JOHN ROBARTS,
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
WHO CAME, THIS IS
INTERESTING, THINK BACK
1985, THE DYNASTY IS
ABOUT TO COME TO AN END.
IT'S THE CONVENTION TO
REPLACE BILL DAVIS.

Jane says YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, HE
HASN'T ASKED THE QUESTION YET.

Steve says IT'S THE CONVENTION IN 1985
TO REPLACE BILL DAVIS.
FIRST CONVENTION.
WHO CAME FOURTH ON
THE FIRST BALLOT?

Jane says ROY MCMURTRY,
AND 300 VOTES.

Steve says VERY GOOD, JANE.

Karen says YOU MUST
HAVE BEEN THERE.

Steve says SHE REMEMBERS,
SHE WAS ONE OF THEM.

Steve says WHO WAS THE NDP LEADER WHICH
FIRST TOOK THE PARTY OUT OF
THE BASEMENT AND INTO
OPPOSITION STATUS?

Rick says STEPHEN LEWIS.

Steve says BEAUTIFUL, OKAY.
THIS WOULD HAVE
BEEN, WHAT, '75?
OKAY, 1971 LEADERSHIP
CONVENTION, WHICH CHOSE
BILL DAVIS, '71 CONVENTION,
MAPLE LEAF GARDENS THAT
CHOSE BILL DAVIS, WHO WAS THE
CHAIRMAN OF THAT CONVENTION?

Rick says OH, GOD.

Steve says WE ASK
THIS FOR A REASON.

Jane says DALTON CAMP,
WASN'T IT?

Steve says WE ASK THIS
FOR A REASON.

Karen says HARRIS?

Steve says NO.

Rick says ERNIE EVES.

Steve says NO.

Rick says THE GUY AFTER BILL 26.

[laughter]

Steve says ALAN EAGLESON.

Jane says OHH.

Steve says OKAY, SOME FIRSTS HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO GO
THROUGH A LIST OF FIRST
CABINET MINISTERS.

Rick says MORE
TORY PATRONAGE.

Steve laughs and says FIRST JEWISH CABINET
MINISTER IN ONTARIO HISTORY?

Jane says ALAN GROSSMAN.

Steve says FIRST TORY JEWISH
CABINET MINISTER.
BUT THERE WAS ACTUALLY
ONE BEFORE HIM.
WHO WAS THE FIRST JEWISH
CABINET MINISTER.
HE'S ACTUALLY A GRIT.

Rick says MUST HAVE BEEN.

Karen says DAVEY KROLL.

Steve shakes his head gesturing No.

Steve says DAVID KROLL.

Jane says SENATOR DAVID
KROLL, OF COURSE.

Steve says WHO WAS THE FIRST BLACK
CABINET MINISTER IN ONTARIO?

Karen says ZANANA AKANDE?

Steve says NO.

Jane and Rick say LINCOLN ALEXANDER.

Steve says NO.

Steve says HE WAS FIRST
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

Jane says OH, BRAITHWAITE.

Steve says NO, NEVER
MADE THE CABINET.

Jane says ALVIN,
NOT ALVIN.

Steve says ALVIN CURLING.

Jane says ALVIN CURLING,
YES!

Karen says I GOT ONE.

Rick says I'M GOING TO SAY ALVIN
CURLING IS MY ANSWER
TO EVERYTHING.

[laughing]

Jane says OR DAVID TSUBOUCHI.

Steve says WHO WAS THE FIRST BLACK
WOMAN TO SIT IN CABINET?

The three panelists say ZANANA AKANDE.

Steve says IT'S TOO EASY.
WHO WAS THE FIRST CHINESE
CANADIAN CABINET MINISTER
IN ONTARIO HISTORY?

Jane says OH, HE WAS A
LIBERAL, BOB WONG.

Steve says BOB
WONG IS CORRECT.

Jane says IN PETERSON'S...

Steve says THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S RIGHT.

Jane says FROM FORT
YORK, RIGHT?

Rick nods.

Steve says THIS ONE MIGHT
BE A TOUGHIE.
THIS ONE
MIGHT BE TOUGH.
QUEEN'S PARK, DOWNTOWN
TORONTO, HAS NOT ALWAYS
BEEN THERE.
THERE WAS SOMETHING
THERE BEFORE...

Karen says AN INSANE ASYLUM.

Steve drops his papers on the table and says HOW DO YOU
KNOW THAT?
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

Karen says OF ALL THE
QUESTIONS TO GET,
I HAVE TO GET
THE INSANE ASYLUM.
DO YOU KNOW WHY?
YOU KNOW WHY I KNOW?
BECAUSE I WAS DEPUTY
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
THE PAGE PROGRAM, AND WE
USED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF
HISTORY OF THE BUILDING.
AND I FIND HISTORY
AND ARCHITECTURE VERY
INTERESTING, AND SO
I KNOW ALL THE STORIES
ABOUT THE BUILDING.

Rick says THE BUILDING
ITSELF WAS THERE?

Karen says AND IT’S HAUNTED.

Steve says NO, IT'S A
DIFFERENT BUILDING.

Karen says IT WAS AN INSANE ASYLUM
THAT WAS RAZED DOWN,
THEN THEY PUT THIS UP.

Steve says WHO WANTS TO MAKE
THE OBLIGATORY JOKE HERE?

Steve smiles and Karen laughs.

Rick says I WAS GOING TO
SAY, THERE ARE DEFINITELY
PARALLELS, BUT I WON'T.

Karen says THAT'S WHAT THE
JOKE WAS ALWAYS ABOUT,
AND IT'S HAUNTED.
IT'S HAUNTED
BY TWO PEOPLE.
GHOSTS IN THE ATTIC.

Steve says THAT IS TRUE,
YOU KNOW?
THERE ARE
GHOSTS THERE.

Karen says I KNOW.
TWO OF THEM THAT
HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.
PAGES LOVE THIS STORY.
THERE YOU GO.

Steve says I'M IMPRESSED.
YOU WERE DEPUTY
SPEAKER, EH?

Karen says YES.

Steve says OKAY, WE SHOULD -- CAMERA
THREE, SHE'S IN PRIVATE
BUSINESS NOW, FOLKS, AND
HERE'S KAREN HASLAM'S
BUSINESS CARD.
AND THERE'S HER
PHONE NUMBER.
SHE'S GOOD, LET
ME TELL YOU.

Steve shows a handwritten white business card that reads "Karen" on one side and "1-519-273-5598" on the other.

Rick says IT'S
1-800 NEXT WEEK.

Karen says I AM
VERY ECONOMICAL.

Steve says OKAY, COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS LEFT.
WHEN DID ONTARIO ADOPT
A PROVINCIAL FLAG?
ANYBODY KNOW WHAT
YEAR THAT WAS?
YOU WERE ALL ALIVE
WHEN IT HAPPENED?

Karen says OH, REALLY?

Jane says I WOULD HAVE SAID PRE
TURN OF THE CENTURY.

Karen says ME TOO, ME TOO.

Rick says 1965.

Steve says COME ON, HOW DO
YOU KNOW THAT?

Jane says HE PULLED IT
OUT OF THE AIR.

Rick says I ACTUALLY RECENTLY
READ IT SOMEWHERE,
AND I CAN'T
REMEMBER WHERE.

Jane says I'M IMPRESSED.

Karen says DID YOU DATE
THE RESEARCHER?

Karen laughs.

Steve says GOOD FOR YOU.

Rick says DON'T TELL MY WIFE.

Steve says WE HAVE...

Jane says PRIZES
FOR EVERYONE?

[laughter]

Steve says JOHNNY, TELL THEM
ABOUT THE PARTING GIFT.

Karen says WE DON'T GET
TO KEEP THE MONEY?

Steve says WE'VE GOT 30 SECONDS
LEFT TO SAY WHO IN THIS
LEGISLATURE, 130 MEMBERS,
WHO WOULD YOU MOST LIKE
TO HAVE DINNER WITH?
KAREN?

Karen says OH, DON'T
START WITH ME.
WHO WOULD I MOST LIKE
TO HAVE DINNER WITH?

Steve says WHO WOULD YOU MOST
LIKE TO HAVE DINNER WITH?
SHOOT, ANYBODY.

Rick says I WOULD SAY FRANCES
LANKIN BECAUSE SHE'S A FRIEND
OF MINE, AND SHE MAKES A
GREAT DINNER COMPANION.

Steve says THAT'S
NOT A BAD ANSWER.

Steve says JANE?

Jane says YEAH, FRANCES IS
ALWAYS ENTERTAINING.
BUT I REALLY
LIKE JANET ECKER.
THERE ARE A BUNCH OF
PEOPLE THAT REALLY...

Steve says SOCIALISTS MAKE
GREAT DINNER COMPANIONS.

Rick says THEY DO.

Karen says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
YOU'RE ALL INVITED TO DINNER.
WHY DON'T I MAKE IT
UNANIMOUS, I WAS GOING TO
PICK ANOTHER PERSON, BUT
I'LL MAKE IT UNANIMOUS.

Rick raises his glass of water and says FRANCES.

Steve says ALL RIGHT, FRANCES,
CALL US UP.
THERE ARE FOUR PEOPLE HERE
WHO WANT TO HAVE DINNER.

Karen says WE'RE ALL
AVAILABLE FOR LUNCH.

Steve says KAREN HASLAM, RICK
MAHONEY AND JANE PEPINO.
THANKS MUCH
FOR DOING THIS.
YOU'RE ALL GOOD SPORTS,
AND YOU'VE GOT A GOOD
SENSE OF HUMOUR.
THANK YOU.
WELL, WE ENJOY HEARING YOUR
VIEWS ON THE PROGRAM, TOO,
SO PLEASE, PICK UP A GLASS,
TOAST US, AND WRITE TO US AT:

A slate reads "Fourth Reading. Box 200, Station Q, Toronto, Ontario, M4T 2T1."

Steve continues OR FIND US ON
THE INTERNET AT:

The slate changes to "Internet address studio2@tvo.org."

Steve raises his glass of water and concludes AND I'M STEVE PAIKIN,
HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYBODY.
SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT WEEK.

Music plays and the end credits roll, as Steve and the rest continue the conversation.

A production of TVOntario. Copyright 1996, The Ontario Educational Communications Authority.

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