Transcript: Betty-Lou Grawbadger | Aug 25, 1994

(Lyrical theme music plays)

A clip shows a woman's face in the mist, a boat on a river, a man's face and tree
branches in a snowstorm, lilies in a pond, a farmhouse totally blanketed by snow,
a setting sun, an aerial view of a lake and a man's face over rushing water. Then
a small plane flies over a lake.

"TALK TO ME SO I
CAN HEAR YOUR VOICE
LIKE A LAKE SO
DEEP AND CLEAR
SOARING THROUGH THE
TOPS OF THE TREES
DANCING BY MY WINDOW
LIKE A WIND BLOWING
THROUGH MY DOOR
DISTANT VOICES
DISTANT VOICES
DISTANT VOICES
DISTANT VOICES."

A gray-haired woman in her seventies sits talking to Eva in her living room.
A caption reads "Betty Lou Grawbarger, Storyteller."

Betty Lou says I
SAID, YOU KNOW,
PA NAMED THIS
PLACE RIGHT.
HE NAMED IT LIKE THAT,
THE HEALING LODGE.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
BECAUSE YOU FEEL
THE HEALING THERE.
AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE GOING TO BENEFIT
BECAUSE THEY WON'T ONLY
BE HEALED LIKE FROM SAY,
LIKE, ILLNESSES
OF YOUR BODY,
BUT ILLNESSES
OF YOUR MIND,
ILLNESSES OF SPIRIT.
AND A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO BE HEALED THERE.
THEY WILL FIND WHAT
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.

A loon swims across a lake. A title caption reads "Distant Voices."
A further caption reads "with Eva Solomon, C.S.J."
[loon calling]
Eva, in her forties, wearing a fringed yellow leather jacket and a
blue bead necklace, sits facing the camera.
(Native American Indian wind music plays)

Over the wooded lakeshore, a rising full-screen caption reads "Betty Lou
Grawbarger lives on the Garden City Reserve where her father Dan Pine was
born at the turn of the century, and where he died in 1992. Although he did
not live to see the completion of construction of the medicine lodge he founded,
his family is doing their best to finish the work begun by their father. In the
course of building the lodge, they have had to contend with factions that would
prefer not to see the lodge built, because it honours the old ways of healing.
This is a story as much about Betty Lou and her brothers and sisters as it is
about their father Dan, who lived a full life as a healer, storyteller, community
activist and teacher. the family's history is a renowned one in this area, as
his grandfather Shinwauk was one of the original signatories of the 1850
Robinson Huron Treaty."

Eva says THERE ARE SOME THINGS
ABOUT YOUR FATHER THAT
STAND OUT IN A WAY THAT
IS SIMILAR TO OTHER MANY
NATIVE PEOPLE IN TERMS
OF BEING GIFTED
WITH HEALING POWER.
AND THAT IS PARTLY THAT
IT VERY OFTEN HAPPENS
WHEN SOMEONE IS SORT OF
REALLY CLOSE TO DEATH,
OR THEY'VE HAD SOME
KIND OF EXPERIENCE
OF SEVERE SICKNESS OR SOMETHING.

Different colour photos show Betty Lou's Dad, with short-cropped gray hair in
his sixties.

Eva continues AND YOUR DAD WAS
ONE IN THE SENSE
OF LOSING HIS ARM.
A VERY POWERFUL KIND
OF EXPERIENCE FOR HIM.
I JUST WONDERED IF THAT
WAS WHEN HE KIND OF BEGAN
TO BECOME MORE INVOLVED
IN TRADITIONAL HEALING?

Betty Lou says YOU
KNOW, MY DAD TELLS
THE STORY ABOUT THAT.
LIKE YOU HEAR OF OTHER
PEOPLE LIKE THAT,
THAT DIE FOR A
MINUTE, LIKE THAT,
OR A SECOND,
OR WHATEVER.
HE TOLD A STORY OF
THAT WHEN HIS ARM
WAS GANGRENOUS AND HAD
TO BE AMPUTATED,
YOU SEE, ON CHRISTMAS
EVE, AT THAT,
HE LOST HIS ARM.
THE ACCIDENT WAS THE
27TH OF NOVEMBER.
THEY TRIED TO SAVE IT.
MY GRANDMOTHER,
AT THE TIME,
WANTED TO GO TO THE
HOSPITAL WITH HER
MEDICINE, YOU KNOW,
TO SAVE HIS ARM.
BUT IN THEM DAYS,
THE DOCTORS DIDN'T
ALLOW THAT, YOU SEE?

Eva says THEY DIDN'T
TRUST OUR MEDICINES.

Betty Lou says NO,
NO, THEY DIDN'T.
AND MY DAD ALWAYS
FELT BAD ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE HE WAS UNCONSCIOUS
WHEN THEY TOOK HIM IN,
YOU SEE, LOSING
LOTS OF BLOOD, WEAK.
AND HE SAID HE DIED.
AND HE SAID HE WAS
IN THIS LONG TUNNEL.
AND AT THE END THERE'S
A LITTLE LIGHT.
AND HE SAID HE WENT
THROUGH THAT TUNNEL LIGHT
PLACE, AND HE WENT
THROUGH THAT LIGHT,
BUT THE LIGHT WAS JUST
LITTLE LIKE THIS.
HE WENT THROUGH.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, HE
SAID, THERE WAS A TRAIN,
AND IN IT WAS ALL,
EVERYTHING WAS SHINY,
LIKE A SILVER TRAIN.
AND HE SAW PEOPLE THERE
THAT HAD GONE ON,
PEOPLE THAT
HAD PASSED ON.
THEY WERE WAVING TO
HIM, "COME ON, DAN,
COME ON OVER
HERE," I GUESS,
"GET ON THE TRAIN WITH
US, WE'RE LEAVING."
SO JUST AS HE WAS GOING TO
STEP TOWARDS THAT TRAIN,
MY SISTER AND I, MY OLDER
SISTER, GERTIE AND ME,
WERE STANDING
IN FRONT OF HIM,
AND HAD HE MOVED THAT WAY,
HE WOULD HAVE KNOCKED US OVER.
AND OF COURSE HE DIDN'T
WANT TO DO THAT, YOU SEE?
SO HE PULLED US TOWARDS
HIM AND WENT BACK.

Eva says WHEN YOU TALKED OF
YOUR DAD'S DREAM TO HAVE
THE HEALING LODGE COME,
DID HE EVER TALK ABOUT
HOW THAT DREAM CAME TO HIM?
AND WHAT ARE THE KIND
OF STEPS THAT ACTUALLY
HAPPENED FOR THE
LODGE TO COME TO BE
WHAT IT IS TODAY?

The wooden medicine lodge with a tiled roof appears. It has a symmetrical polygonal
shape with beams radiating from the centre of the building to concrete columns
outside..

Betty Lou says THE VISION OF
THAT MEDICINE LODGE
WAS WITH HIM FOR YEARS.
AND HE SHARED
THAT WITH PEOPLE,
LIKE WHAT IT COULD
DO FOR PEOPLE,
LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE,
FOR HEALING, GATHERING,
BEING TOGETHER,
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE,
EVEN BEING TOGETHER LIKE
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

Eva says WASN'T PART OF HIS
DREAM TO HAVE
A HEALING LODGE IN ITSELF
THAT WAS INCLUSIVE,
BEING ALL PEOPLES TOGETHER
IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE
TO REACH IN AND RECEIVE
HEALING FROM THAT LODGE?

Betty Lou says YES.
YES, THAT HEALING LODGE,
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, EVA.
IT'S NOT FINISHED, OF COURSE,
IT'S NOT COMPLETED.
I THINK THE LAST THING
THAT THEY DID WAS
THEY PUT THE WINDOWS IN, AND
CLOSED IN, LIKE THE ROOF,
IT HAS THE ROOF, AND
THEN THERE'S A GLASS UP
ON THE CEILING
PART OF IT.
IT'S QUITE A
BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
AND IT'S GOING TO
BE A GREAT PLACE.
PEOPLE ALREADY ARE
SEEKING TO COME,
AND THEY WANT HEALING.
THERE IS SOMEONE
EITHER COMING THERE,
LIKE COMING THERE, THEY
MAKE USE OF IT, YOU KNOW?
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE USING IT.
IT'S NOT READY, THOUGH,
FOR THE ONES MAYBE
THAT MAYBE WOULD WANT TO
STAY OVER, YOU KNOW,
AND NEED TO BE THERE
FOR A LENGTH OF TIME.
IT'S NOT READY FOR THAT.

Eva says SO IS IT A PLAN THAT
IT'S LIKE A BUILDING,
A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE
CAN ACTUALLY GO,
SIMILAR TO A TREATMENT
CENTRE IN A SENSE?

Betty Lou says YES.
YES, IT'LL BE THAT.
(native wind music plays)

A full-screen caption reads "Healing lodges as we know them today hark back to
the sweat lodges and shaking tents of other times. They combine the skills of
current medical practice with traditional healing ways.

The central area of the unfinished lodge appears with a mobile scaffolding frame
in it and perimetral walls made with high wooden poles. The open ceiling in the
middle consists of a thirteen-sided polygon with the roof-support frames radiating
from it.

Betty Lou continuesALL THE INSIDE OF THE
BUILDING NEEDS
TO BE COMPLETED.
THERE WILL BE
DRYWALL IN THE ROOMS.
AND IT'S BUILT WITH AN
OPEN CEILING, YOU KNOW?
AND IT'S IN A CIRCLE.
AND IT HAS 13,
LIKE THIS.

Eva says 13 WALLS.
IT FITS A TRADITIONAL
LODGE I'VE HEARD OF BEFORE.

Betty Lou says YES, YES.

Eva says IS THERE ANY REASON?

Betty Lou says IT'S
FOR THE MOONS.

Eva says OH, THE 13 MOONS.
OKAY, THAT'S WHY I
WONDERED WHAT
THE 13 SIDES WERE?

Betty Lou says I'M LEARNING A
LOT OF THINGS ABOUT THAT, EVA.
THINGS THAT YOU TAKE, LIKE
I SAY, TAKE FOR GRANTED.
AND THEN YOU LEARN
ABOUT THOSE THINGS,
AS YOU'RE LISTENING
TO PEOPLE TALKING.

Eva says SO IS THERE ANY
RELATIONSHIP TO THE MOON
THAT YOU ARE IN, AND
THE HEALING YOU
CAN RECEIVE IN
THAT MOON?

A gibbous moon appears in the night sky.

Betty Lou says I THINK THERE
IS, BECAUSE NATIVE PEOPLE
DO A LOT OF THINGS BY
THE MOON, YOU KNOW?
I KNOW THEY PLANT GARDENS
AND THAT BY THE MOON.
I GUESS THEY HAVE
A BETTER CROP.
LIKE ALL THROUGH THE
YEARS THAT I REMEMBER
WORKING IN THE
GARDENS AND THAT,
THROUGH YOUR CHILDHOOD,
WE ALWAYS HAD GOOD CROPS.
SO I GUESS MAYBE YOU CAN
BLAME IT ON THE MOON.

Eva says YEAH.
(native wind music plays)

A clip shows views of the misty lake.

Eva says DAN SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE
AS A FARMER AND LOGGER,
BUT AT ONE TIME,
LOOKED FORWARD TO
A PROMISING FUTURE AS
A BASEBALL PITCHER.
HIS BASEBALL ACCOMPLISHMENTS WERE
COMMEMORATED IN 1985
WHEN THE TORONTO BLUE JAYS
HONOURED HIM WITH A
UNIFORM AND A BASEBALL
SIGNED BY ALL
THE PLAYERS.

Photos show Dan receiving the gifts.

Eva continues WHEN THIS CAREER WAS
ENDED IN THE 1930S
BY AN ACCIDENT, IT OPENED
THE DOOR TO HIS LIFELONG
OCCUPATION AS A HERBALIST
AND SPIRITUAL HEALER.

Bunches of red wild berries move in the wind.

Betty Lou says HE NEVER EVER
WANTED TO BE THOUGHT OF
AS A MEDICINE MAN.
HE JUST, I GUESS, IT'S
SOMETHING THAT WHEN YOU
GROW UP WITH IT, SO
YOU WANT TO DO THAT
FOR OTHER PEOPLE IF
THEY NEED SOMETHING.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT
WILL HELP THEM, WELL,
THEN, YOU DO IT, YOU KNOW?
WE WERE RAISED IN A FAMILY
WHERE OUR HOME WAS OPEN.
WE ALWAYS HAD PEOPLE
COMING TO VISIT.
NOT ONLY OUR OWN PEOPLE
THERE IN THE COMMUNITY,
BUT OTHER PEOPLE
TRAVELLING THROUGH.
AND MY GRANDMOTHER,
MY DAD'S MOTHER, CAME
FROM DRUMMOND'S ISLAND.
SO WE HAD A LOT OF
RELATIVES, YOU KNOW,
TRAVELLING AND
COMING TO VISIT.
WHEN I SAY THAT OUR
LIFE WAS DIFFERENT,
LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE
ELECTRICITY ON THE RESERVE
WHEN I WAS A CHILD.
AND SOMETIMES WHEN
YOU'RE TALKING TO
YOUR GRANDCHILDREN, AND
TELLING THEM THE KIND
OF LIFE THAT YOU HAD, LIKE
WHAT CHRISTMAS WAS
AT THAT TIME, I THINK MAYBE
THEY MAY THINK THAT
YOU'RE JUST MORE OR LESS
MAKING UP A FAIRY TALE
OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW?
BUT WE WORKED IN THE GARDEN.
WE WERE FARMING PEOPLE.
MY DAD WAS A LOGGER.
AND IN THE WINTERTIME,
WE MOVED TO THE BUSH.

An old black and white clip shows loggers felling trees.

Betty Lou continues BUT WHEN I GOT TO BE
LIKE OF SCHOOL AGE,
LIKE SIX YEARS OLD,
THEN I STAYED WITH
MY GRANDMOTHER WHO WAS
GETTING BLIND AT THAT TIME,
AND I SPENT A
LOT OF TIME WITH HER.
I SLEPT WITH HER, AND
I LIVED IN HER PART
OF THE HOUSE.

Eva says BUT HE CARRIES AN
INTERESTING STORY
EVEN FROM HIS BIRTH.
THE FACT, I THINK, HIS
PARENTS WERE FAIRLY OLD
WHEN HE WAS BORN.

Betty Lou says YES, YES.
MY GRANDMOTHER WAS
50 WHEN HE WAS BORN.
AND MY GRANDFATHER WAS
30 YEARS HER SENIOR,
SO HE WOULD BE 80, YOU SEE?
AND MY DAD WAS BORN IN 1900.
AND I GUESS HE WAS QUITE
MISCHIEVOUS, YOU KNOW?
AND HE TALKED ABOUT,
HE TOLD A STORY
ABOUT HIS FIRST PONY.
AND HE HAD GONE TO
DRUMMOND'S ISLAND
WITH HIS MUM AND DAD.
THEY WENT, OF COURSE,
BY CANOE IN THEM TIMES.
SO HIS GRANDPARENTS HAD
GIVEN HIM A PONY THERE.
AND IT WAS FOR HIS BIRTHDAY.
HE WAS FIVE YEARS OLD...
IT WAS HIS 5TH BIRTHDAY.
AND THEY HAD TO COME BY
BOAT TO GET BACK OVER.
AND HE EVEN LEARNED TO
TRICK RIDE, YOU KNOW?
LIKE HE WOULD STAND
WITH HIS FEET.
AND THE CHILDREN WOULD COME,
ALL HIS LITTLE CHUMS
WOULD COME OVER.
OF COURSE THEY HAD
TURNS RIDING, TOO.
BUT THEN HE WAS THE SHOWOFF,
I GUESS YOU'D SAY.
HAD A LOT OF PRACTICE
BECAUSE HE HAD A LOT
OF OLDER BROTHERS, TOO.
HE WAS QUITE A STORYTELLER.
AND TOLD A LOT OF THINGS
ABOUT HOW HE LEARNED
TO PLAY THE VIOLIN, TOO.
WHEN HE WAS 13 YEARS OLD.
HIS UNCLE... I'M
CALLING HIM HIS UNCLE...
BUT IT'S MY UNCLE.
HIS BROTHER, UNCLE JOHN,
HAD BOUGHT A VIOLIN.
AND OF COURSE, HE
KEPT IT IN HIS ROOM.
SO MY DAD, BEING THE YOUNGEST,
AND I GUESS BEING
SPOILED, TOO,
HAD TALKED HIS
MOTHER, MY GRANDMA,
INTO LETTING HIM
PLAY THAT VIOLIN.
SO SHE DID LET HIM.
BUT HE WAS TO SIT,
JUST SIT AND PLAY IT,
AND NOT WALK AROUND.
WELL, THIS ONE DAY,
WHEN HE HAD IT OUT,
HE WAS, YOU KNOW, GETTING
QUITE GOOD AT IT,
AND THIS ONE DAY
WHEN HE HAD IT OUT,
HIS BROTHER CAME
HOME UNEXPECTEDLY.
HIS BROTHER WORKED AT
ONE OF THE STORES
THERE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THEN HE HAD TO
REALLY RUSH AROUND
TO GET THAT VIOLIN BACK
TO WHERE IT BELONGED.
AND HE TRIPPED BECAUSE
HE HAD TO GO UP
SOME STEPS, AND THAT.
HE TRIPPED AND BROKE THE
NECK OFF THAT VIOLIN.
SO I GUESS MAYBE GRANDMA
MUST HAVE BEEN,
YOU KNOW, A CARPENTER
AS WELL, I DON'T KNOW,
BUT SHE FIXED IT.
SHE FOUND A WAY TO FIX IT.
HOW I DON'T KNOW.
DO YOU THINK THEY HAD
GLUE BACK THEN, EVA?
CRAZY GLUE?
[laughing]

Eva says CERTAINLY
NOT CRAZY GLUE.

Betty Lou says BUT ANYWAYS,
BUT MY UNCLE KNEW.
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IT
MUST HAVE BEEN MENDED
IN A WAY THAT YOU
COULD STILL SEE.
SO HE WAS QUITE CROSS ABOUT IT.
BUT WHEN HE HEARD HIS
BROTHER PLAY WHAT HE HAD
ACCOMPLISHED, WELL, THEN,
I GUESS IT MADE UP
FOR THE BROKEN NECK
ON THE VIOLIN.
BUT MY DAD DID
PLAY THE VIOLIN.
AND EVEN AFTER HE LOST
HIS ARM, MY COUSIN,
HE USED TO TIE THE
BOW ON HIS ARM,
AND ON HIS STUMP, AND THEN
HE PLAYED THE VIOLIN.

(music plays)
I HAVE THREE BROTHERS,
AND SEVEN SISTERS.

The large family appears in a photo.

Betty Lou continues WE HAD ONE SISTER THAT WAS
KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT
WHEN SHE WAS 26.
AND SHE'S BEEN GONE 18 YEARS.
AND THEN OUR MOTHER'S
DEATH FOLLOWED HERS.
SHE WAS SO HEARTBROKEN.
A LOT OF SAD THINGS
HAPPEN IN YOUR LIFE, TOO.
BUT BECAUSE WE HAD OUR
DAD, TOO, YOU KNOW,
TO SEE TO HIM, AND
TO LOOK AFTER HIM,
AND HE LOOKED AFTER
US, YOU KNOW, REALLY,
HE WAS A VERY STRONG PERSON.
SO HE TAUGHT US YEARS
AGO, NOT ONLY HIM,
BUT THE UNCLES, TOO,
AND THE GRANDMA,
THAT DEATH SHOULD
BE A JOYFUL TIME.
AND I THINK MOST NATIVE
PEOPLE LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
THAT DEATH SHOULD
BE A JOYFUL TIME.
AND HE SAID LIKE YOU
ALWAYS WANT TO REJOICE,
HE SAID, WHEN SOMEONE DIES.
AND AT THE TIME OF HIS DEATH,
LIKE WHEN IT WAS
GETTING TO THE TIME
WHEN WE WERE GOING TO
HAVE THE BURIAL SERVICE
THAT DAY, I WAS LOOKING
AT HIM, AND I THOUGHT,
"THIS IS THE HARD
DAY, YOU KNOW,
FOR EVERYONE
TO GET THROUGH."
AND IT JUST SEEMED AS
IF HE TALKED TO ME.
IT JUST SEEMED AS IF I
HEARD HIS VOICE FROM BACK
THROUGH THE YEARS AND
SAYING THAT THIS
SHOULD BE A JOYFUL TIME.
AND THEN I THOUGHT
ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS,
AND I WAS ABLE TO TALK
TO HIM, TOO, YOU KNOW,
ABOUT THE THINGS THAT
HE LEFT BEHIND FOR US,
AND HOW MUCH WE
APPRECIATED HIM
AS A FATHER, AND AS A FRIEND.
(native wind music plays)

A photo shows Dan as a very old man, wearing a red baseball cap.

Eva says DAN'S FATHER
WAS BORN IN 1850,
AND BETWEEN DAN AND HIM,
THEIR LIVES SPANNED
A CENTURY AND A HALF.
IN THIS 150 YEARS,
THEY WERE PART
OF THE HISTORICAL FORCES
THAT SHAPED THE PROVINCE
AND THE COUNTRY AS
THEY ARE TODAY.
THERE IS A BEAUTIFUL
STORY THAT GOES WAY BACK,
IN TERMS OF, I GUESS IT
WOULD BE YOUR GRANDFATHER
IN BRINGING THE FIRST
MISSIONARIES UP?

Betty Lou says YES.
MY GREAT-GRANDFATHER.

Eva says YOUR
GREAT-GRANDFATHER.

Betty Lou says CHIEF OF
THE OJIBWAY NATION.
I GUESS I SHOULD
ALSO SAY HE FOUGHT
WITH GENERAL BROCK.

Eva says OH, YES?

Betty Lou says WITH HIM
IN THE 1812 WAR,
FOR THE BRITISH.
SO HE BROUGHT THE RELIGION
OF QUEEN VICTORIA
TO HIS PEOPLE.
AND SNOWSHOED TO
TORONTO, WHICH WOULD BE
QUITE A LONG HIKE,
WOULDN'T IT, EVA?
I HAD SNOWSHOES
ON AS A KID,
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I
EVER COULD...
BECAUSE ALL I EVER
DID WAS FALL.
I NEVER DID GET TO
USE THEM PROPERLY.
BUT WHEN YOU
THINK OF THAT,
WHEN YOU THINK OF SOMEONE
LIKE CARING ABOUT
HIS PEOPLE, AND WANTING
EDUCATION, YOU SEE,
THE ALGOMA UNIVERSITY
IN SAULT STE. MARIE
WAS SHINGWAUK RESIDENTIAL
SCHOOL FOR CHILDREN
TO COME THERE TO LEARN.
AND IT WAS, I THINK,
CLOSED IN 1969, I THINK.

The bare shell of the old school stands among the trees.

Eva says HOW DID YOU FEEL IN
THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION
WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF
PAIN AND CRITICISM ABOUT
THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED
IN THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL,
AND IN FACT IT
WAS YOUR GRANDFATHER
WHO WROTE AND SAID
THIS IS WHAT I WANT.
I WANT THIS SCHOOL
FOR OUR CHILDREN.
SO HERE IS YOUR VERY OWN
FLESH AND BLOOD ASKING
FOR SOMETHING, AND YOU
HEAR IT ALL CRITICIZED
AND CONDEMNED NOW.

Betty Lou says I DID
THINK LIKE THAT, EVA.
LIKE I WAS THINKING
THAT WAY, YOU KNOW,
THAT HE WAS WORKED SO
HARD WITH HIS SONS
TO GET THE EDUCATION
FOR THE NATIVE PEOPLE,
AND BRING CHRISTIANITY
TO THE PEOPLE,
AND THE SCHOOLS, LIKE,
SAY, WERE RUN, I THINK,
BY THE ANGLICAN CHURCH,
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH,
UNITED CHURCH, I BELIEVE -

Eva says AND PRESBYTERIAN.

Betty Lou says AND
PRESBYTERIAN.
YOU, OF COURSE, I
GUESS, NEEDLESS TO SAY,
I FELT IT WAS JUST
VERY BREAK YOUR HEART,
YOU KNOW?
YOUR HEART ACHES, YOU KNOW,
TO HEAR SOME OF THE
STORIES WE HEARD THERE.

An old black and white photo shows children sitting behind long desks working
in the Residential School.

Betty Lou continues MY DAD WAS IN THE
RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL.
AND HIS EXPERIENCE WASN'T
A HAPPY ONE EITHER.
HE TOLD OF US THAT.
A LOT OF TIMES HE CRIED
WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT IT
BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY
HURTING TIME FOR HIM.

Eva says DID HE EVER SHARE
WHAT WAS THE GREATEST HURT
IN THAT, OR THE
GREATEST PAIN FOR HIM?

Betty Lou says HIS BEST
CHUM DIED OF PNEUMONIA,
YOU SEE?
THEY WERE THERE TOGETHER.
AND HE WATCHED HIM DIE.
HE DIED OF PNEUMONIA.
HE WAS VERY, VERY SICK,
AND HIS FATHER
HAD COME TO GET HIM.
I SUPPOSE RUMOURS GET
AROUND THAT HIS SON
WAS VERY ILL AND DYING, AND
HE WENT THERE TO GET HIM,
OF COURSE THE PRINCIPAL,
LIKE, THE MINISTER
AT THAT TIME WOULDN'T
LET HIM TAKE HIS SON.
I GUESS MAYBE HE MIGHT
HAVE THOUGHT THAT
HE WAS GOING TO BE
FINE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE DAY THAT THEY
DID SEND HIM HOME,
THEY DID TAKE HIM
HOME, AND HE DIED
THROUGH THE NIGHT.
AND THIS IS WHAT HE SAID,
"THEY KILLED HIS SON."
HE DIED OF PNEUMONIA,
BUT I GUESS HE -
SEE, LIKE THERE AGAIN,
I GUESS, EVA,
INDIAN PEOPLE KNEW OF
THE MEDICINES TO HEAL,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

Eva says YEAH.
IF THEY'D LET
THEM BRING HIM.

Betty Lou says YEAH.
SO IF HE COULD HAVE
TAKEN HIS SON HOME,
HE WOULD HAVE USED THE
MEDICINES HE KNEW OF
AND SAVED HIS SON.
(tom-tom music plays)

Eva says WHAT DO YOU SEE IN
TERMS OF THE FUTURE
FOR THE NATIVE PEOPLE IF
THIS HEALING LODGE
REALLY IS COMPLETED AND
THE HEALING TAKES PLACE
IN OUR PEOPLE?

Betty Lou says I'M HOPING THAT
EVERYBODY, LIKE, SAY,
AS NATIVE PEOPLE, THINK
AND FEEL THE WAY WE DO
ABOUT THE MEDICINE LODGE.
BECAUSE IT'S THERE FOR
ALL THE PEOPLE, EVERYONE.
THIS IS IMPORTANT
EVEN IN OUR COMMUNITY
BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL
BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
IT WILL BE MORE IN
HARMONY YOU KNOW?
YOU KNOW MY DAD LIKED
TO USE THAT WORD, TOO. HARMONY.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD
WORD, AND I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR
PEOPLE TO BE IN HARMONY,
LIKE NOT TO BE LOOKING
AT OTHER PEOPLE...
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOURS, YOU KNOW?
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOURS AS
YOU WOULD WANT THEM
TO LOVE YOU, I GUESS,
WOULD BE A GOOD WAY
OF SAYING THAT.
AND IT'S NOT HARD TO DO.
IT'S NOT HARD TO LOVE PEOPLE.
IT'S VERY EASY.
BUT THE MEDICINE LODGE,
IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR
THE MEDICINE LODGE
TO BE COMPLETED, AND TO
HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE.
PEOPLE, LIKE I WAS SAYING,
COME THERE AND THEY DO
PUT THEIR TOBACCO AND
THEIR SWEETGRASS AND...

Eva says SAGE.

Betty Lou says AND THEIR
SAGE, AND CEDAR,
AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I KEEP SAYING THAT.
THAT MEDICINE LODGE NEEDS
TO BE COMPLETED BECAUSE
FOR THE DREAM... FOR MY
FATHER'S DREAM AND VISION,
LIKE, SAY, TO BE
COMPLETED LIKE, SAY,
PEOPLE LIVING
TOGETHER IN HARMONY,
PEOPLE BEING HEALED,
BODY, MIND, SPIRITUALLY,
OH, THERE'S A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT NEED
THE HEALING LODGE.

(Orchestral and lyrical native music plays)

Dancers' feet display ornamental anklets over fur-lined ceremonial mocassins.

Over shots of the wooded lake shore, the End Credits roll.

Produced by Jim Hanley, Jim Hyder.

Coproduced and Written by Patricia Michael.

Directed by Daniel Robinson.

Associate Producer, Elinor Barr.

Edited by Patrick Malone.

Post-Production Facilities, TVOntario.

For TVOntario, Marjorie Robinson.

Supervisor of Production, Paul McConvey.

A shot of the gibbous moon appears over a view of the misty lake.

Executive Producer, Jim Hanley.

A Co-Production of TVOntario and Sleeping Giant Productions in association
with Vision T.V..

The Ontario Educational Communications Authority. 1994.

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