Transcript: Question Period: Thursday, November, 28, 2019 | Nov 29, 2019

A still camera shows the Ontario Legislature. A caption on screen reads "Oral questions."

The Speaker stands. He's is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short light brown hair. He wears a black robe.

He says IT IS NOW TIME FOR ORAL QUESTIONS.
I RECOGNIZE THE MEMBER FOR TORONTO-DANFORTH.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Peter Tabuns. NDP. Toronto-Danforth."

Tabuns is in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with short white hair. He wears glasses, a black suit, white shirt, and spotted black tie.

He says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
MINISTER OF ENERGY.
THIS WEEK THE MINISTER OF
ENERGY JUSTIFIED HIS
GOVERNMENT'S SCRAPPING OF
CLEAN ENERGY CONTRACTS BY
QUOTING WHAT HE CALLED HIS
FAVOURITE PERIODICAL.
A CLIMATE CHANGE CONSPIRACY
WEBSITE CALLED CLIMATE
CHANGE DISPATCH.
THE MINISTER SEEMS TO DOUBT
CLIMATE SCIENCE AND IS NOW
GETTING DUBIOUS FACTS FROM
CONSPIRACIES HE FIND ONLINE.
THE MINISTER SAYS HE WOULD
LIKE TO CONSIDER
QUOTE-UNQUOTE BOTH SIDES OF THE QUESTION.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE
QUESTION OF WHETHER THERE IS
A CLIMATE CRISIS, DOES THE
ENERGY MINISTER BELIEVE
THERE ARE TWO LECHBLG IT MAT
SIDES OF THE COIN?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ENERGY, NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT
AND MINES.

The caption changes to "Honourable Greg Rickford. PC. Minister of Energy, Northern Development and Mines."

Rickford is in his early fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears a light gray suit, white shirt, and striped burgundy tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
I CERTAINLY DO BELIEVE IN
CLIMATE CHANGE, AND THAT'S
WHY I'M PROUD OF THE FACT
THAT ONTARIO HAS ONE OF THE
CLEANEST ENERGY
JURISDICTIONS IN THE
CONTINENT, MR. SPEAKER.
92 percent OF OUR ENERGY...

[APPLAUSE]

Rickford says EMISSION FREE.
MORE THAN 60 percent OF IT COMES
FROM CLEAN NUCLEAR SOURCE
WHICH THE N.D.P. DO NOT
SUPPORT, MR. SPEAKER.
LET'S BE CLEAR THAT THIS
JOURNEY STARTED 18 YEARS
AGO.
THEN PURCHASE HARRIS ISSUED
A DIRECTIVE TO PHASE OUT
COAL STARTING AT THE
LAKEVIEW GENERATING STATION.
IT TOOK 14 YEARS, AND OTHER
GOVERNMENTS TO COMPLETE THAT
JOURNEY, MR. SPEAKER, BUT IT
WAS A MAJOR STEP IN ENSURING
THAT ONTARIO WOULD HAVE ONE
OF THE CLEANEST ENERGY
JURISDICTIONS IN THE... IN
NORTH AMERICA AND FOR THE
WORLD TO MARVEL AT.
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Tabuns says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
AGAIN TO THE MINISTER OF
ENERGY.
IN THE FACE OF A MAJOR NEW
REPORT THAT SAYS THE WORLD
NEEDS TO TAKE BOLD ACTION TO
TACKLE THE CLIMATE CRISIS,
THE FORD GOVERNMENT REJECTS
THE CONSENSUS OF CLIMATE
SCIENTISTS THAT WE'RE FACING
A HUMAN-CAUSED CLIMATE
CRISIS AND CLING TO CLIMATE
DENIAL WEBSITES.
THE MINISTER COULDN'T EVEN
ANSWER A YES OR NO QUESTION
FROM THE MEDIA ON WHETHER HE
BELIEVES HUMAN ACTIVITY IS A
SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR TO
CLIMATE CHANGE.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE HIM ANOTHER
CHANCE.
DOES THE MINISTER BELIEVE
HUMAN ACTIVITY IS A
SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR TO
CLIMATE CHANGE?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ENERGY.

Rickford says THAT WAS INTERESTING,
MR. SPEAKER, WHEN AN
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION HAS TO
USE THE MEDIA TO CARRY THE
BIG BOXES FOR HIM.
ISN'T IT INTERESTING OVER
THE PAST WEEK THAT THEY'VE
HAD TO QUOTE BIG WORDS.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Rickford says THAT THEY HAD TO CHECK IN
THE DICTIONARY FROM A
"TORONTO STAR" REPORTER OR A
HEADLINE FROM THE CBC,
MR. SPEAKER, WHICH WAS A
DEPARTURE FROM THE FACTS AND
THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD
THAT DAY, MR. SPEAKER.
HERE'S THE TRUTH.
ONTARIO LEADS NORTH AMERICA
AS ONE OF THE CLEANEST... AS
THE CLEANEST ENERGY
JURISDICTION, MR. SPEAKER.
IT'S BECAUSE WE REMAIN
COMMITTED TO COAL PHASEOUT.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Rickford says OF COURSE 18 YEARS,
MR. SPEAKER.
IT'S BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN
THE PEOPLE, IN THE DURHAM
REGION WHO EVERY DAY GO TO
WORK AS A SKILLED WORK
FORCE, MR. SPEAKER, TO
ENSURE THAT WE HAVE
WORLD-CLASS SAFE NUCLEAR
ENERGY, MR. SPEAKER, TO
SUPPLY ALMOST TWO THIRDS.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Rickford says OF THIS PROVINCE WITH ITS
ENERGY.
WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO THOSE
KINDS OF INVESTMENTS, NOT
PROJECTS, MR. SPEAKER, THAT
HAVE MADE OUR SYSTEM TOO
COMPLEX, NONCOMPETITIVE AND
MORE IMPORTANTLY FOR
FAMILIES, SENIORS,
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES
ACROSS THE PROVINCE.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

THE SPEAKER SAYS THE FINAL SUPPLEMENTARY.

Tabuns says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT MEANS
WHEN A MINISTER WON'T
ADDRESS THE QUESTION.
I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT.
DENYING THE CLIMATE CRISIS,
A HUMAN CAUSED CLIMATE
CRISIS, WOULD CERTAINLY
EXPLAIN MANY OF THIS
GOVERNMENT'S ACTIONS.
GOVERNMENT RIPS UP CLEAN
ENERGY CONTRACTS COSTING
ONTARIANS AT LEAST 231
MILLION DOLLARS.
SPENT MILLIONS MORE ON
STICKERS ON GAS PUMPS THAT
DIDN'T EVEN STICK AND
FIGHTING A LOSING COURT
BATTLE AGAINST PUTTING A
PRICE ON POLLUTION.
THE FORD GOVERNMENT WOULD
CLEARLY RATHER RIP DOWN
WINDMILLS AND STICK UP
STICKERS THAN INVEST IN THE
CLEAN ENERGY ECONOMY OF
ONTARIO'S FUTURE.
I'D LIKE TO ASK A THIRD
TIME.
DOES THE MINISTER BELIEVE
THAT HUMAN-CAUSED CLIMATE
CHANGE IS REAL?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ENERGY.

Rickford says CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL,
MR. SPEAKER.
THERE'S NO DISPUTE ABOUT
THAT ANYWHERE IN THIS PLACE,
I'M PRETTY SURE OF THAT.
THE QUESTION IS,
MR. SPEAKER, HOW DO WE
DEVELOP A CLEAN, AFFORDABLE
ENERGY SYSTEM HERE IN
ONTARIO?
AND HERE'S HOW WE DON'T DO
IT, MR. SPEAKER.
IN 2015 ANNUAL REPORT THE
AUDITOR GENERAL CONCLUDED
THAT RATEPAYERS PAID... WAIT
FOR IT... 37 BILLION DOLLARS MORE
THAN NECESSARY FROM 2006 TO
2014.
THE SAME HYDRO RATES WENT UP
BY 22 percent.
SHE ALSO DETERMINED THAT
WE'D SPENT AN ADDITIONAL
133 BILLION DOLLARS BY 2032 DUE TO
THE GLOBAL ADJUSTMENT
ELECTRICITY FEES ON HYDRO
BILLS.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT
EXPENSIVE AND HOW WE GOT
THERE, MR. SPEAKER?
I'LL TELL YOU HOW WE GOT
THERE.
THERE WERE VOTES IN THIS
PLACE.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Rickford says SYSTEM THE MOST COMPLEX
AND EXPENSIVE IN THE SYSTEM.
AND THAT MEMBER VOTED FOR IT
EVERY SINGLE TIME,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE NEXT QUESTION.
AGAIN THE MEMBER FOR TORONTO-DANFORTH.

Tabuns says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
I GUESS THE ANSWER TO MY
LAST QUESTION WAS A NO.
SO WE'LL GO TO MY NEXT.
FOR OVER A YEAR THE PREMIER
HAS INSISTED THAT SCRAPPING
CLEAN ENERGY WOULD LEAD TO A
12 percent REDUCTION IN HYDRO
BILLS.
NOW THE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN
SCRAPPED AND THE CONTRACT
HAS GONE FROM ZERO DOLLARS AND I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER,
SPEAKER, TO 231 MILLION DOLLARS.
CAN THE MINISTER TELL
FAMILIES WHEN THEY CAN
EXPECT THEIR BILLS TO GO
DOWN?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ENERGY, NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT
AND MINES.

Rickford says WELL, THANK YOU,
MR. SPEAKER.
LET'S BE CLEAR ON THE COST
SAVINGS FROM SCRAPPING MORE
THAN 750 OF THESE PROJECTS.
790 MILLION DOLLARS IN NET PRESENT
VALUE.

[APPLAUSE]

Rickford says MR. SPEAKER, THAT'S NOT
ACCOMMODATING FOR
INFLATIONARY RATES.
THAT'S NOT ACCOMMODATING FOR
THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD IN
FACT FORTIFY A SYSTEM,
MR. SPEAKER, THAT HAS BECOME
SO COMPLEX AND SO EXPENSIVE,
IT RUNS THE RISK OF PUTTING
ONTARIO OUT OF BUSINESS,
MR. SPEAKER, AND FAMILIES
ARE SPENDING TOO MUCH MORE
FOR THEIR ENERGY.
WE'VE TAKEN THE KIND.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Rickford says OF EXTRAORDINARY STEPS,
MOST OF THEM BY THE AUDITOR
GENERAL, MR. SPEAKER, TO
ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A PATH
TO REDUCE HYDRO RATES IN THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO AND IT'S
COMING SOON, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Tabuns says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
I DON'T THINK HE QUITE
ADDRESSED THE QUESTION
THERE.
AFTER ONE YEAR OF THE FORD
GOVERNMENT HYDRO BILLS ARE
HIGHER THAN THEY HAVE EVER
BEEN.
IN FACT THEY'RE CLIMBING.
THE FORD GOVERNMENT STRATEGY
SO FAR HAS CONSISTED.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Tabuns says MEDDLING AT HYDRO ONE.
ONTARIO CONTRACTS FOR
RENEWABLE ENERGY.
THAT'S MADE A LOT OF MONEY
FOR ENERGY COMPANIES RAKING
IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS IN COMPENSATION FOR
BUNGLED CONTRACTS.
BUT FAMILIES ARE STILL
WAITING FOR RELIEF.
SPEAKER...

The Speaker says ORDER.

Tabuns says ACCOUNT MINISTER TELL
FAMILIES WHEN THEY CAN
EXPECT THEIR BILLS TO GO
DOWN?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER?

Rickford says MR. SPEAKER, IT JUST
OCCURRED TO ME, MR. SPEAKER,
THAT THE IMPACT OF THE
INCREASE IN HYDRO RATES FROM
2009 TO 2015, WHICH RANGED
FROM 5.5 percent EVERY YEAR TO 22 percent
EVERY YEAR, FULLY ENDORSED
BY THE MEMBER OPPOSITE,
MR. SPEAKER, IN CAHOOTS.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Rickford says WITH THE PREVIOUS LIBERAL
GOVERNMENT, MR. SPEAKER,
BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE
BILL.
YOU SEE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO
HIDE IT.
AN INFLATIONARY RATE THIS
PAST NOVEMBER 1ST WE TAKE
VERY SERIOUSLY, MR. SPEAKER,
AND WE'VE SPENT THE LAST
YEAR MAKING SURE THAT WE GET
RID OF THE THINGS AND
PRESSURES THAT HAVE BEEN ON
OUR SYSTEM TO MAKE THIS ONE
OF THE MOST COMPLEX AND
EXPENSIVE THERE IS.
BUT THAT MEMBER,
MR. SPEAKER, HAS NEVER HAD
TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT
NOVEMBER 1ST, 2015 HE GAVE A
RINGING ENDORSEMENT FOR A
22 percent INCREASE TO THE
RATEPAYERS OF ONTARIO.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Rickford says THE PEOPLE OF KENORA,
MR. SPEAKER, THE PEOPLE OF
THUNDER BAY, THE RESIDENTS
WHO LIVE IN KIIWETINOONG,
MR. SPEAKER.
YOU NAME THE COMMUNITY, IT
PAID WAY TOO MUCH AND HE...

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE FINAL SUPPLEMENTARY.
ORDER.
GOVERNMENT SIDE, COME TO ORDER.

[HECKLING]

The Speaker says GOVERNMENT SIDE, COME TO ORDER.
RESTART THE CLOCK.
MEMBER FOR TORONTO-DANFORTH,
FINAL SUPPLEMENTARY.

Tabuns says WELL, THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
I THINK THEY'RE GETTING A
BIT TOUCHY ON THAT SIDE.
SPEAKER, IF THE PREMIER'S
JOB WAS TO MAKE ENERGY
COMPANIES MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS, HE'S DONE AN
AMAZINGLY GOOD JOB.
LET'S FACE IT.
THE U.S. ENERGY COMPANY
AVISTA TOOK HOME 103
MILLION DOLLARS CANCELLATION FEE
WHEN THE PREMIER BUNGLED A
DEAL WITH THEM.
RENEWABLE NRLG PROVIDERS
HERE IN ONTARIO WILL BE PAID
AT LEAST 231 MILLION DOLLARS NOT TO
GENERATE ELECTRICITY.
BUT FAMILIES AREN'T GETTING
A BREAK.
THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT SEEING
A 12 percent REDUCTION IN THEIR
BILLS AS WAS PROMISED.
DOES THE FORD GOVERNMENT
HAVE ANY INTENTION OF
DELIVERING ON THEIR PROMISE
TO REDUCE HYDRO BILLS BY
12 percent?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says ONCE AGAIN,
MINISTER OF ENERGY TO RESPOND.

Rickford says WE CERTAINLY DO,
MR. SPEAKER, AND STARTED
WITH AN ACT THAT SOME MIGHT
HAVE DEEMED COLLOQUIAL IN
NATURE, MR. SPEAKER.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Rickford says BUT IT WAS THE CLEANUP
THE HYDRO MESS ACT.
THE MESS THAT WAS CREATED BY
THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT AND
SUPPORTED 100 percent OF THE TIME
BY THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Rickford says NO LESS THAN 90
COMMUNITIES ACROSS THIS
PROVINCE, MR. SPEAKER, SAID
THAT THEY WERE UNWILLING
HOST COMMUNITIES TO THE
GREEN ENERGY ACT.
MR. SPEAKER, I THINK THAT'S
GROUND TO REPEAL THAT ACT IF
I'M NOT MESS TAKEN,
MR. SPEAKER, AND THAT'S
EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.
AND WE SCRAPPED 750 PROJECTS,
MR. SPEAKER.
THEY WERE GOING TO CONTINUE
TO SUPPORT THE MOST COMPLEX
AND EXPENSIVE ENERGY SYSTEM
WE HAVE, MR. SPEAKER.
WE ARE FINALLY IN A PLACE
WHERE WE HAVE GOTTEN RID OF
ALL THE RIDICULOUS THINGS
THAT WERE BUILT INTO OUR
ENERGY SYSTEM.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Rickford says BAKED INTO IT,
MR. SPEAKER, AND WE'RE GOING
TO DELIVER ON A PROMISE TO
REDUCE HYDRO RATES FOR MAJOR
EMPLOYERS, SMALL BUSINESSES,
SENIORS, INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITY, MR. SPEAKER, AND
COMMUNITIES ALL ACROSS OUR
GREAT PROVINCE.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE NEXT question. The member for Brampton Centre.

The caption changes to "Sara Singh. NDP. Brampton Centre."

Singh is in her thirties, with long curly black hair. She wears a black blazer over a blue floral print dress.

She says THANK YOU AND GOOD
MORNING, SPEAKER.
SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS TO
THE PREMIER.
ON MONDAY THE LEGISLATURE
UNANIMOUSLY PASSED A MOTION
CALLING ON THIS GOVERNMENT
TO COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY TO
THE PREMIER OF QUEBEC OUR
OPPOSITION TO QUEBEC'S BILL
21.
THE PREMIER HAS A MEETING
FACE TO FACE WITH PREMIER
LEGAULT AND THERE IS AN
EXPECTATION FROM
ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE
WORLD SIKH ORGANIZATION, THE
TORONTO BOARD OF RABBIS AND
THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF
CANADIAN MUSLIMS THAT THIS
GOVERNMENT WILL DO WHAT IT
SAYS IT WILL DO AND
COMMUNICATE ONTARIO'S
CONCERN AND OPPOSITION TO
BILL 21 DIRECTLY TO PREMIER
LEGAULT.
YET THE PREMIER IS REFUSING
TO ADDRESS THIS SERIOUS
VIOLATION OF BASIC HUMAN
RIGHTS.
WHY, PREMIER?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY
PREMIER.
REFERRED TO THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Honourable Paul A. Calandra. PC. Government House Leader."

Calandra is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears a black suit, blue shirt and striped red tie.

He says THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MR. SPEAKER, I'VE ADDRESSED
THIS ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS
BOTH YESTERDAY AND THE
SPEECH TO THIS HOUSE.
WE'VE REAFFIRMED ON MULTIPLE
OCCASIONS BOTH THE PREMIER
ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT
AND THE MEMBERS OF THIS
LEGISLATURE ON BEHALF OF ALL
PARLIAMENTARIANS A BILL LIKE
THAT HAS NO PLACE IN THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.
WE WOULD FIGHT SOMETHING
LIKE THAT, MR. SPEAKER.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE MEMBERS OPPOSITE TO CONTINUE
TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING TO
WORK TOWARDS THOSE THINGS
AND FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS
THAT UNIFY THE COUNTRY AND
HELP US DO THAT,
MR. SPEAKER.
AT THE SAME TIME LET'S ALSO
TALK ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS
LIKE THE ECONOMY,
MR. SPEAKER.
LET'S WORK TO BUILD A BETTER
ECONOMY.
MR. SPEAKER, I THINK AGAIN
FINALLY WE'VE BEEN VERY
CLEAR ON THIS AND I
APPRECIATE THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR BRINGING IT UP
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN MOVE ON
FROM THE POLITICS OF THIS
AND MOVE TOWARDS DOING
WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE
OF CANADA.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Singh says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS
HOUSE INDEED HAS STOOD UP
AND SPOKE OUT BUT WE ARE
STILL WAITING TO HAVE THE
PREMIER ACTUALLY ADDRESS AND
DO WHAT THE MOTION CALLS ON
HIM TO DO.
THIS MEETING IS A CHANCE TO
DEFEND BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS IN
ONTARIO AND ACROSS THIS
COUNTRY, SPEAKER.
THE PREMIER HASN'T BEEN SHY
ABOUT STANDING UP FOR
ALBERTA'S EQUALIZATION
PAYMENTS OR HIS OPPOSITION
TO PHARMACARE HERE IN THE
COUNTRY.
YET WHEN IT COMES TO BASIC
HUMAN RIGHTS HE SUDDENLY
DOESN'T KNOW WHERE HE STANDS
AND CAN'T STAND UP AND SPEAK
OUT AND SAY WHAT HE NEEDS
TO.
THE PREMIER NEEDS TO SHOW
LEADERSHIP ON A NATIONAL
STAGE.
LEADERS DON'T SIT SILENT.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Singh says RIGHTS ARE AT STAKE.
CABINET MINISTERS STOOD
PROUDLY TO ANNOUNCE THEIR
SUPPORT FOR THIS MOTION.
THE ASSOCIATE MINISTER OF
SMALL BUSINESS AND RED TAPE
REDUCTION EVEN TWEETED.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Singh says OUT A VIDEO TALKING ABOUT
HIS SUPPORT.
SO WHY DON'T ANY OF THESE
CABINET MINISTERS MENTION
THAT THEY HAVE NO INTENTION
OF ACTUALLY DOING WHAT THE
MOTION SAYS IT WILL DO?

[APPLAUSE]

Calandra says MR. SPEAKER, YOU KNOW,
THE EASY THING WOULD BE FOR
ME TO RAMP UP BUT I'M NOT
GOING TO, MR. SPEAKER.
LOOK, THESE ARE THE
COMMUNITIES THAT THE
MINISTER OF SMALL BUSINESS
AND TRADE TALKED BTHE MEMBER
FROM MILTON, THE MEMBER FOR EGLINTON-LAWRENCE, THE
EDUCATION MINISTER, THE MEMBER FOR YORK CENTRE MUCH
THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT
COMMUNITIES NOT JUST FOR THE
GOVERNMENT BUT TO ALL
MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE.
I REMIND THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER THAT IT WAS A
UNANIMOUS, UNANIMOUS IN THIS
PARLIAMENT, MR. SPEAKER, ON
THE MOTION THAT WAS BROUGHT
FORWARD NOT ONCE BUT TWICE.
AND THE PREMIER HAS SPOKEN
OFTEN ABOUT THIS AND HAS
BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY CLEAR
PRIOR TO THE FIRST MOTION,
PRIOR TO THE SECOND MOTION
AND SINCE THAT A BILL LIKE
THIS WOULD HAVE NO PLACE IN
THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Honourable Ted Arnott. Speaker."

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
THE NEXT question. The member for Oakville.

The caption changes to "Stephen Crawford. PC. Oakville."

Crawford is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and gray plaid tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
MINISTER OF HERITAGE, SPORTS,
TOURISM AND CULTURAL
INDUSTRIES.
VISITING ONTARIO'S MUSEUMS,
ART GALLERIES AND ART
ATTRACTIONS IS A GREAT
EXPERIENCE FOR FAMILIES BUT
IT CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE FOR
LOWER TO MIDDLE INCOME
FAMILIES.
I KNOW WITHIN THE MINISTRY
THERE ARE SEVERAL CULTURAL
ASSETS LIKE THE ROYAL
ONTARIO MUSEUM, THE ART
GALLERY OF ONTARIO, THE
MCMICHAEL GALLERY, THE ROYAL
BOTANICAL GARDENS, THE
ONTARIO SCIENCE CENTRE IN
TORONTO, SCIENCE NORTH IN
SUDBURY AND THE PARKS
COMMISSION IN NIAGARA.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE
GOVERNMENT COULD MAKE THESE
ASSETS ATTAINABLE FOR ALL
ONTARIO FAMILIES.
CAN THE MINISTER INFORM THIS
HOUSE HOW HER MINISTRY'S
ASSETS SUPPORT LOWER AND
MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES SO
THEY CAN SEE THE INCREDIBLE
WORKS OF ART AND HISTORY
THAT THIS PROVINCE HAS TO
OFFER?
THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
HERITAGE, SPORT, TOURISM AND
CULTURE.

The caption changes to "Honourable Lisa MacLeod. PC. Minister of Heritage, Sport, Tourism and Culture Industries."

MacLeod is in her forties, with shoulder-length, wavy blond hair. She wears a dark blue dress and a pearl necklace.

She says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
SPEAKER.
I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO
THE MEMBER FOR OAKVILLE FOR
THAT QUESTION.
I KNOW AS A FATHER OF TWO
DAUGHTERS THAT ARE MY
DAUGHTER'S AGE, IT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE
TO MAKE THE ARTS, THE
CULTURAL HISTORY OF OUR
PROVINCE, OUR MUSEUMS AND
OUR HISTORIC SITES
ACCESSIBLE AND ATTAINABLE
FOR EVERY FAMILY IN THIS
WONDERFUL PROVINCE.
NOW HE MENTIONED THE A.G.O.
AND I'M SO VERY PROUD OF THE
ART GALLERY OF ONTARIO.
THEY OFFER FREE ADMISSION TO
ALL INDIGENOUS PEOPLES AND
THEY OFFER THOSE 25 YEARS OF
AGE AND UNDER FREE ADMISSION
ON EVERY WEDNESDAY EVENING.
IN ADDITION THE ROYAL
ONTARIO MUSEUM WHICH I
BELIEVE IS ONE OF THE BEST
RUN MUSEUMS IN THE WORLD,
OFFERS FREE ADMISSION ON THE
THIRD TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH
FROM 5:30 TO 8:30.
THEY ALSO OFFER THE DAPHNE
COCKWELL GALLERY DEDICATED
TO FIRST PEOPLES AND ART AND
CULTURE FREE OF CHARGE FOR
EVERY ONTARIAN.
SPEAKER, I OFTEN SAY.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Crawford says WE ALSO HAVE WORLD-CLASS
FACILITIES THAT EVERY
ONTARIO CHILD DESERVES TO SEE.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Crawford says THANK YOU, MINISTER.
THAT'S ONE OF TO...
WONDERFUL TO HEAR THAT VERY
POSITIVE NEWS.
SPEAKER, ENSURING ALL
FAMILIES HAVE ACCESS TO ARTS
AND CULTURE AND ALL OUR
NATURAL HERITAGE IS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
SINCE MY CONSTITUENTS
NEITHER LIVE IN TORONTO OR
NEAR ANY OF THE OTHER
CULTURAL ASSETS, IT CAN
SOMETIMES BE DIFFICULT FOR
THEM TO TAKE PART IN THESE
FREE EVENTS.
IN MY COMMUNITY WE HAVE THE
OAKVILLE MUSEUM, WHICH
RECENTLY TOLD THE STORY OF
AN EXHIBIT PRESERVING PEACE,
SOUVENIRS OF PEACEKEEPING.
EVA MARTINEZ, THE FIRST
FEMALE UNITED NATIONS
OBSERVER WHO SPOKE ABOUT HER
EXPERIENCE WITH THE U.N.
PEACEKEEPING MISSION IN
GUATEMALA IN 1997.
THE VALUE OF LEARNING THESE
EXPERIENCES SUCH AS THIS ARE
IMMEASURABLE AND ESSENTIAL
TO FULFILLING PRIDE IN OUR
PROVINCE AND COUNTRY.
CAN THE MINISTER TELL US
WHAT SHE IS DOING TO HELP
LOCAL FAMILIES ACCESS THESE
SERVICES?
THANK YOU.

The Speaker says MINISTER.

MacLeod says IT'S A VERY GOOD
QUESTION.
I'M GLAD THAT HE WAS ABLE TO
TELL THIS HOUSE ABOUT THE
WONDERFUL WORK THAT THEY'RE
DOING IN OAKVILLE AT THEIR
MUSEUM.
AGAIN THERE ARE NOW MINISTRY,
OUR GOAL IS TO BUILD ON AND
GROW OUR SPECTACULAR DOUBLE
BOTTOM LINE.
THAT IS A 71 BILLION DOLLAR ECONOMIC IMPRINT, BUT AT THE
SAME TIME PRESERVING AND
PROTECTING OUR CULTURAL
HISTORY AND OUR FABRIC.
AND WE DO SO WITHIN THIS
MINISTRY BY INVESTING
DIRECTLY INTO MUSEUMS ACROSS
ONTARIO TO ENSURE THAT THEY
CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I'M
MOST EXCITED ABOUT, SPEAKER,
THAT WAS IN THE FALL
ECONOMIC STATEMENT IS THE
FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO
EXPAND THE FUN PASS TO ALL
MUSEUMS AND GALLERIES AND
ATTRACTIONING --S THROUGHOUT
ONTARIO SO THAT WE CAN MAKE
LOCAL MUSEUMS, LOCAL
HISTORIC SITES AND LOCAL
ATTRACTIONS FREE FOR
CHILDREN.
WE'LL HAVE MORE DETAILS IN
THE MONTHS AHEAD, SPEAKER.
THIS IS I THINK ONE OF THE
MOST EXCITING THINGS THIS
GOVERNMENT CAN BE DOING TO
MAKE SURE WE ARE OFFERING
THE ENTIRE WORLD IN ONE
PROVINCE.

[APPLAUSE]

MacLeod says TO EVERY CHILD.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

MacLeod says IN OUR GREAT COMMUNITY.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE NEXT question. The member for Davenport.

The caption changes to "Marit Stiles. NDP. Davenport."

Stiles is in her forties, with feathered blond hair in a bob. She wears a spotted gray blazer over a black sweater.

She says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
GOOD MORNING.
MY QUESTION'S FOR THE
MINISTER OF EDUCATION.
ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY
TEACHERS ARE CONTINUING JOB
ACTIONS TODAY, STANDING FIRM
IN DEFENCE OUR PUBLIC
EDUCATION SYSTEM AND AGAINST
THIS GOVERNMENT'S CUTS.
TEACHERS ARE STANDING UP FOR
STUDENTS AND THEIR RIGHT TO
LEARN IN A CLASSROOM THAT
ISN'T BURSTING AT THE SEAMS.
THEY'RE STANDING UP FOR
PARENTS WHO DON'T WANT THEIR
KIDS LEFT TO FEND FOR
THEMSELVES WITH RISKY ONLINE
COURSES OR TO FALL THROUGH
THE CRACKS AS 10,000 CARING
ADULTS AND COUNTLESS
SUPPORTS DISAPPEAR FROM OUR
SCHOOLS, MR. SPEAKER.
AS NEGOTIATIONS DRAG ON,
COULD THE MINISTER UPDATE
THE HOUSE ON THE STATUS OF
THOSE NEGOTIATIONS?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says QUESTION'S
ADDRESSED TO THE MINISTER OF
EDUCATION.

The caption changes to "Honourable Stephen Lecce. PC. Minister of Education."

Lecce is in his thirties, with short dark hair and a stubble. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and printed purple tie.

He says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
SPEAKER.
THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER
OPPOSITE FOR THE QUESTION.
IT IS THE POSITION OF THIS
GOVERNMENT THAT WE WANT A
DEAL, NOT A STRIKE, TO KEEP
THE CHILDREN OF THIS
PROVINCE IN CLASS.
AND THAT'S WHY, MR. SPEAKER,
THIS WEEK WE'RE MEETING WITH
OSSTF, WITH ETFO AS WELL AS
WITH ALL TEACHER UNIONS OVER
THE COMING 7 DAYS BUT THE
THREE MAJOR UNIONS AS PART
OF OUR PLAN TO NEGOTIATE IN
GOOD FAITH TO PROVIDE
PREDICTABILITY FOR PARENTS.
WHAT IS REGRETTABLE THROUGH
THIS EXPERIENCE,
MR. SPEAKER, THAT
IRRESPECTIVE OF GOVERNMENT
AND PREMIER AND PARTY, THE
ONE CONSTANT THROUGH THIS
PROCESS EVERY THREE YEARS IS
THAT UNIONS CHOOSE TO
ESCALATE.
MY MESSAGE TO THEM AND I
HOPE THE MEMBER OPPOSITE
WOULD AGREE WITH THIS
PREMISE, TO CEASE FROM
ESCALATION, TO STAND WITH
PARENTS, TO STAY AT THE
TABLE AND LET'S GET A DEAL
TO KEEP THE CHILDREN OF THIS
PROVINCE IN CLASS.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Stiles says MR. SPEAKER, THAT'S
EXACTLY THE KIND OF
DEMONIZATION OF THE WORKERS
THAT WE EXPECT FROM THIS
GOVERNMENT, AND IT IS NOT
HELPFUL.
THE REASON.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Stiles says THERE'S NO PROGRESS AT
THE BARGAINING TABLE IS
BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN NO REAL
MOVES BY THE MINISTER TO
STOP HIS CUTS.
ONLY THIS GOVERNMENT WOULD
TRY TO SPIN ELIMINATING
10,000 JOBS TO ELIMINATING
6,000 JOBS AND MASSIVELY
INCREASING CLASS SIZES AS
SOME KIND OF REASONABLE
MOVE.
BY NOW, IT SHOULD BE PRETTY
DARN CLEAR TO THIS MINISTER
AND THIS GOVERNMENT THAT
ONTARIANS DON'T SUPPORT THE
ELIMINATION OF THOSE JOBS.
THEY DON'T SUPPORT MANDATORY
ONLINE LEARNING REPLACING
IN-PERSON INSTRUCTION AND
THEY DON'T SUPPORT TRADING
THEIR CHILDREN'S EDUCATION
FOR SHORT-TERM SAVINGS.

The Speaker says QUESTION.

Stiles says WILL THE MINISTER LISTEN,
GET BACK TO WORK, STOP THE
SPIN AND REVERSE THESE
TERRIBLE CUTS TO OUR
CLASSROOMS?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MI MINISTER
OF EDUCATION.

Lecce says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. SPEAKER.
AS I MADE CLEAR, THE PREMIER
AND THIS ENTIRE GOVERNMENT
IS COMMITTED TO GETING A
RESOLUTION AS WE DID WITH
CUPE THAT PROVIDES
PREDICTABILITY FOR FAMILIES
AND CHILDREN OF THIS
PROVINCE.
HOWEVER WHAT IT'S TELLING,
MR. SPEAKER, IS WHEN GIVEN
THE OPPORTUNITY TO AFFIRM
HER SUPPORT WITH PARENT
AGAINST ESCALATION, SHE AND
THE LEADER OF THE NEW
DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID NOTHING
AND THAT ABDICATION OF
OPPORTUNITY, RESPONSIBILITY
TO SAY WITH CLARITY THAT
THEY OPPOSE ESCALATION.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Lecce says THEY OPPOSE THEIR
CHILDREN BEING OUT OF CLASS
OR MORE IMPORTANTLY HAVING
STEPS BEING TAKEN TO
UNDERMINE THEIR EDUCATION IS
IN FACT QUITE TELLING AND
REGRETTABLE.
MY POSITION, THE POSITION OF
EVERY MEMBER OF THIS TEAM IS
TO KEEP CHILDREN IN CLASS
THROUGH NEGOTIATED
SETTLEMENTS THAT ARE GOOD
FOR TEACHERS, GOOD FOR
STUDENTS AND GOOD FOR
PARENTS IN THIS PROVINCE.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
THE NEXT question. The member for Kitchener-Conestoga.

The caption changes to "Mike Harris. PC. Kitchener-Conestoga."

Harris is in his late thirties, with short brown hair and a stubble. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and spotted blue tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
MINISTER OF FINANCE.

[APPLAUSE]

Harris says EARLIER THIS MONTH, THE
MINISTER DELIVERED OUR
GOVERNMENT'S FALL ECONOMIC
STATEMENT AND WITH IT OUR
PLAN TO BUILD ONTARIO
TOGETHER.
THE MINISTER OUTLINED A PLAN
TO MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE
FOR ONTARIANS ACROSS THE
PROVINCE.
IT'S A PLAN THAT ALSO
RECOGNIZES THE UNIQUE
CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES
IN NORTHERN ONTARIO.
COULD THE MINISTER PLEASE
INFORM THE HOUSE ABOUT THE
STEPS OUR GOVERNMENT IS
TAKING TO MAKE LIFE MORE
AFFORDABLE FOR FAMILIES AND
INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN THE
NORTH?

Interjection: GOOD QUESTION.

The Speaker says THE
QUESTION'S TO THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.

The caption changes to "Rod Phillips. PC. Minister of Finance."

Phillips is in his early fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt and blue tie.

He says MR. SPEAKER, I THANK THE MEMBER FOR KITCHENER-CONESTOGA.
OF COURSE HE REPRESENTS HIS
MEMBERS WELL, OR HIS
CONSTITUENTS WELL.
OF COURSE HE ALSO GREW UP IN
THE NORTH AND SO HE
APPRECIATES THE UNIQUE
CHALLENGES, AND
OPPORTUNITIES, THAT FACE OUR
CITIZENS IN THE NORTH.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS A
GOVERNMENT, MR. SPEAKER.
THAT IS WHY IN OUR FALL
ECONOMIC STATEMENT WE HAVE
PUT FORWARD THE PROPOSAL TO
REDUCE THE COST OF LIVING IN
THE NORTH BY REDUCING THE
COST OF AVIATION FUEL,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

Phillips says REDUCING A TAX FROM 6.7
CENTS TO 2.7 CENTS.
MR. SPEAKER, WHAT DOES THAT
MEAN?
I OFTEN TALK ABOUT
AFFORDABILITY NOT AS
GRANDIOSE GESTURES BUT
TANGIBLE ACTIONS.
THAT MEANS REDUCING THE COST
OF GROCERIES FOR A FAMILY OF
FOUR BY 230, MR. SPEAKER, A
YEAR.
REDUCING THE COST OF AIR
TRAVEL BY 135.
I WOULD ASK OUR COLLEAGUES
IN THE OPPOSITION.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Phillips says SO WELL REPRESENTED, HOW
THEY PLAN TO VOTE.
I KNOW THEY VOLD TWICE
AGAINST REDUCING THE COST OF
LIVING IN THE NORTH BUT HOW
THEY PLAN TO VOTE WHEN THIS
COMES FOR A FINAL VOTE IN
THIS LEGISLATURE.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says Supplementary question.

Harris says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
AND THANK YOU TO THE
MINISTER FOR HIS ANSWER.
THE PROPOSED AVIATION FUEL
TAX CUT MAKES IT ABUNDANTLY
CLEAR THAT THIS IS A
GOVERNMENT COMMITTED TO
SUPPORTING NORTHERN ONTARIO.
OUR GOVERNMENT IS DEDICATED
TO MAKING LIFE MORE
AFFORDABLE FOR ONTARIANS
ACROSS THE PROVINCE.
NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, WE
WANT TO PUT MORE MONEY IN
YOUR POCKET AND MAKE IT
EASIER FOR FAMILIES AND
INDIVIDUALS.
COULD THE MINISTER PLEASE
INFORM THE HOUSE ABOUT WHAT
OTHER STEPS THIS GOVERNMENT
IS TAKING TO IMPROVE
AFFORDABILITY?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
FINANCE.

Phillips says I THANK THE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION.
THE AVIATION FUEL TAX
REDUCTION WILL REDUCE THE
COST OF LIVING IN THUNDER
BAY, IN TIMMINS AND SUDBURY
ACROSS THE NORTH AND THAT'S
IMPORTANT.
AGAIN I ASK THE MEMBERS
ACROSS THE LEGISLATURE TO
THINK ABOUT THAT.
BUT, MR. SPEAKER, THAT'S NOT
ALL THIS GOVERNMENT HAS
DONE.
WE'VE ALSO INTRODUCED OUR
LOW INCOME TAX CREDIT,
MR. SPEAKER.
THAT 1.1 MILLION ONTARIANS
WILL SEE A REDUCTION IN
THEIR COSTS AND IN FACT
ELIMINATE 580,000 ONTARIANS
WHO MAKE MINIMUM WAGE FROM
THE TAX ROLLS.
OUR LOW-INCOME CUT CHILD
CARE TAX CREDIT,
MR. SPEAKER, THAT TARGETS
THE FAMILIES MOST IN NEED
AND WILL REDUCE COSTS BY AN
AVERAGE OF 1,200,
MR. SPEAKER, FOR THOSE
FAMILIES IN CHILD CARE.
THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC
ACTIONS WE'RE TAKING.
AGAIN NOT GRANDIOSE
STATEMENTS ABOUT MAKING LIFE
UNAFFORDABLE BUT SPECIFIC
ACTIONS WE'RE TAKING IT MAKE
LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Phillips says ALL COLLEAGUES IN OUR HOUSE TO SUPPORT THIS.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE MEMBER FOR TIMISKAMING-COCHRANE.

The caption changes to "John Vanthof. NDP. Timiskaming-Cochrane."

Vanthof is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short side-parted gray hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and spotted gray tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION'S FOR THE
PREMIER.
TODAY "GLOBE AND MAIL."
REPORTS BILL BLAIR, OR BRAD
BLAIR, EXCUSE ME, THE DECK
RAID POLICE VETERAN WHO WAS
FIRED AS ACTING O.P.P.
COMMISSIONER WHEN HE BLEW
THE WHISTLE ON THE PREMIER'S
ATTEMPTS TO HIRE HIS FRIEND,
HAS LAUNCHED A
CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE
AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT.
SPECIFICALLY AGAINST BILL
100, THE GOVERNMENT'S
BLATANT ATTEMPT TO PLACE
ITSELF ABOVE THE LAW AND TO
MAKE THE PREMIER IMMUNE FROM
LAWSUITS.
DOES THE FORD GOVERNMENT
TRULY BELIEVE THAT THEIR
LEGISLATION IS JUSTIFIABLE
AND CONSTITUTIONAL?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says ATTORNEY GENERAL.

The Speaker says referred to the Attorney General.

The caption changes to "Honourable Doug Downey. PC. Attorney General."

Downey is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and patterned gray tie.

He says MR. SPEAKER, AND IT'S
INTERESTING BECAUSE I KNOW
ALL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE
UNDERSTAND THE RULES AND HOW
THINGS WORK.
AND TO ASK ME ABOUT A
QUESTION THAT IS IN THE
COURTS IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR
ME TO RESPOND.
SO, MR. SPEAKER, I LOOK
FORWARD TO THE MEMBER'S
SECOND QUESTION, WHICH
PERHAPS I CAN ACTUALLY DEAL
WITH.
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE
SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Vanthof says THAT ACTUALLY WAS THE
POINT OF THE QUESTION.
BUT IF THE FORD GOVERNMENT
GENUINELY THOUGHT THIS
LEGISLATION WAS DEFENSIBLE
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE BURIED IT
IN AN OMNIBUS BILL AND
RAMMED IT THROUGH WITH ONLY
TWO DAYS OF HEARINGS.
THE FORMER COMMISSIONER
WASN'T AFRAID TO BLOW THE
WHISTLE WHEN THE PREMIER
TRIED TO APPOINT HIS FRIEND
AS O.P.P. COMMISSIONER OR
WHEN THE PREMIER ASKED HIM
TO BUY A VAN AND KEEP IT OFF
THE BOOKS.
AND HE'S NOT AFRAID TO TAKE
ON THE FORD GOVERNMENT NOW.
BRAD BLAIR SHOULDN'T HAVE TO
TAKE THIS GOVERNMENT TO DO
THE RIGHT THING.
SO A QUESTION THAT THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL CAN ANSWER
IS HOW MUCH MONEY IS THE
GOVERNMENT WILLING TO WASTE
TO DRAG THIS THROUGH THE
COURTS?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says AGAIN THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL.

Downey says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
I MISSED THE MEMBER FOR ESSEX ON THESE KIND OF
QUESTIONS, MR. SPEAKER.

Interjection: HE
WOULDN'T EVEN ASK THEM.

Downey says MR. SPEAKER, AGAIN, IT'S
MATTER OF LITIGATION.
I CAN'T ADDRESS MATTERS OF
LITIGATION WHEN THEY'RE IN
PROCEEDING, MR. SPEAKER.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A
DIALOGUE PERHAPS WHEN
LITIGATION'S COMPLETED ABOUT
WHATEVER THE PROCESS WAS OR
WHATEVER THE PERCEIVED
DIFFICULTY IS THE MEMBER
HAS.
BUT FOR THE MOMENT,
MR. SPEAKER, AS A MATTER OF
LITIGATION, I CAN'T RESPOND.
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE NEXT question. The member for Niagara West.

The caption changes to "Sam Oosterhoff. PC. Niagara West."

Oosterhoff is in his early twenties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and blue tie.

He says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
ASSOCIATE MINISTER OF
CHILDREN AND WOMEN'S ISSUES.
SPEAKER, HUMAN TRAFFICKING
IS A SERIOUS ISSUE HAPPENING
ACROSS THE GLOBAL AND ACROSS
OUR PROVINCE.
THIS MINISTER AS THE
MINISTER VISITED MY RIDING
OF NIAGARA WEST AND HELD A
ROUNDTABLE WITH THOSE
IMPACTED BY HUMAN
TRAFFICKING IN OUR REGION
WHERE IT IS A SERIOUS
PROBLEM.
IT WAS SHOCKING FOR ME TO
HEAR ABOUT THE REALITIES OF
HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN OUR
PROVINCE AND ESPECIALLY THE
REALITY OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING
HAPPENING IN OUR LOCAL
COMMUNITIES.
SPEAKER, DID YOU KNOW THAT
THE AVERAGE AGE FOR
RECRUITMENT IS ONLY 13 YEARS
OLD?
AND OVER 70 percent OF HUMAN
TRAFFICKING VICTIMS
IDENTIFIED BY POLICE ARE
UNDER THE AGE OF 25?
IT IS DISGUSTING AND
COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
COULD THE MINISTER TELL THE
HOUSE WHAT SHE'S DOING TO
STOP HUMAN TRAFFICKING IN
OUR PROVINCE?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says ASSOCIATE
MINISTER FOR CHILDREN AND
WOMEN'S ISSUES.

The caption changes to "Honourable Jill Dunlop. PC. Associate Minister of Children and Women's Issues."

Dunlop is in her forties, with long straight blond hair. She wears a black blazer over a patterned white blouse.

She says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER FOR NIAGARA WEST FOR THE
IMPORTANT QUESTION.
FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK
AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE MINISTER
OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ALL
HER ADVOCACY ON THIS FILE
FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

[APPLAUSE]

Dunlop says HER KNOWLEDGE AND ACTIVISM
HAVE HELPED ME PERSONALLY AS
OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS TO
BUILD A COMPREHENSIVE
ANTI-HUMAN TRAFFICKING
STRATEGY.
SPEAKER, THE MEMBER IS
RIGHT.
HUMAN TRAFFIC SOMETHING A
CRISIS AND IT'S HAPPENING
ACROSS THE PROVINCE IN ALL
OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND IN
ALL LEVELS OF SOCIETY.
VICTIMS ARE BEING LURED BY
PERPETRATORS WHO ROB THEM OF THEIR SAFETY AND DIGNITY AND
PROFIT FROM THEIR ABUSE.
THAT IS WHY THIS MORNING OUR
GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED THAT WE
ARE COMMITTING TO 20
MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR TO SUPPORT
SURVIVORS AND COMBAT HUMAN
TRAFFICKING.
THIS IS A FIRST STEP.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Dunlop says AS WE DEVELOP
COMPREHENSIVE ANTI-HUMAN
TRAFFICKING STRATEGY.
OUR GOAL IS THAT EVERYONE IN
THIS PROVINCE CAN LIVE
SAFELY AND FREE FROM THE
THREAT, FEAR OR EXPERIENCE
OF EXPLOITATION AND
VIOLENCE.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Oosterhoff says MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE
TO THANK THE MINISTER FOR
HER RESPONSE AND INVESTMENT
IN SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE
IN OUR PROVINCE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO
CONGRATULATE THE MINISTER
AND SOLICITOR GENERAL ON
CO-DEVELOPING WORKING
TOGETHER TO BUILD A NEW
STRONGER CROSS-GOVERNMENT
STRATEGY TO RAISE AWARENESS
OF THESE HORRIFIC CRIMES AND
ENSURE SURVIVORS GET THE
SUPPORT THEY NEED AND THAT
WE HOLD OFFENDERS
ACCOUNTABLE.
SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE CROSS
GOVERNMENT WORK.
HUMAN TRAFFICKING IMPACTS SO
MANY ASPECTS OF A SURVIVOR'S
LIFE AND THIS REQUIRES
WRAPAROUND SERVICES.
I KNOW AT THE ROUNDTABLE WE
DID HOLD EARLIER THIS YEAR,
WE HEARD FROM SUPPORTERS IN
MY RIDE LOOG IC JILLIAN'S
PLACE, NIAGARA SEXUAL
ASSAULT CENTRE, EVEN THE
NIAGARA FALLS FIREFIGHTERS,
BUT THERE'S SO MANY MORE TO
BE DONE.
SO COULD THE MINISTER TELL
THE HOUSE EXACTLY WHAT THIS
FUND SOMETHING FOR AND WHAT
EXACTLY OUR GOVERNMENT IS
DOING TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO
HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY HUMAN
TRAFFICING?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

[APPLAUSE]

Dunlop says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE MEMBER FOR THAT QUESTION.
THE FUNDING ANNOUNCED THIS
MORNING IS PART OF A RANGE
EVERY INVESTMENT WE HAVE
MADE TO COMBAT HUMAN
TRAFFICKING, PREVENT AND END
VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND
SUPPORT VICTIMS OF SEXUAL
VIOLENCE AND EXPLOITATION
AND END GANG RELATED
ACTIVITIES.
THIS ANNOUNCEMENT IS A
SIGNAL THAT WE ARE TAKING
IMMEDIATE ACTION WHAT WE
HAVE HEARD FROM STAKEHOLDERS
IN OUR HUMAN TRAFFICKING
ROUNDTABLES DISCUSSIONS THIS
SUMMER, THAT THERE WAS A
NEED FOR CONSISTENT AND
RELIABLE FUNDING.
THIS FUNDING INCLUDES
SUPPORTS FOR CULTURALLY
RELEVANT SERVICES AND CARE
DESIGNED BY AND FOR
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES WITHIN
ONTARIO.
IT ALSO INCLUDES SUPPORT FOR
PROJECTS THAT OFFER
WRAPAROUND SERVICES TO THOSE
BEING HUMAN TRAFFICKED AND
INCREASED PROTECTIONS FOR
PEOPLE AT RISK OF BEING
TRAFFICKED.
AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Dunlop says HUMAN TRAFFICKING
STRATEGIES, WE ALL NEED TO
WORK TOGETHER.
THIS MEANS WORKING ACROSS
SECTORS, ACROSS
JURISDICTIONS AND ACROSS THE
AISLE.
SO WE CAN RAISE AWARENESS,
HELP SURVIVORS AND...

The Speaker says THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE NEXT question. The member for Hamilton West-Ancaster-Dundas.

The caption changes to "Sandy Shaw. NDP. Hamilton West-Ancaster-Dundas."

Shaw is in her late forties, with chin-length straight brown hair. She wears glasses, a checkered beige jacket and a black shirt.

She says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION THIS MORNING IS
FOR THE PREMIER.
YESTERDAY THE MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT SHIFTED
BLAME FROM HIS MINISTRY AND
DENIED ANY RESPONSIBILITY
FOR INFORMING HAM MILL TONE
YANNS OF A MASSIVE SEWAGE
SPILL HIS OWN MINISTRY HAS
BEEN INVESTIGATING FOR SOME
TIME.
THE MINISTRY'S ONLY
OFFICIALS HAVE KNOWN OF THE
SPILL SINCE THE SPRING OF
2018, IF NOT EARLIER THAN
THAT.
AND YET HIS MINISTRY CHOSE
NOT TO TELL HAMILTONIANS OR
THEIR WATERSHED NEIGHBOURS
LIKE BURLINGTON.
THEY DIDN'T TELL THEM ABOUT
WHAT THE POTENTIAL FOR
CONTAMINATION COULD MEAN FOR
THE HEALTH OF CITIZENS AND
FOR OUR ENVIRONMENT.
SO TO THE MINISTER.
IF HAMILTON HAS, QUOTE,
FAILED ITS CITIZENS, WHAT
DOES IT SAY ABOUT THIS
GOVERNMENT THAT KNEW ABOUT
THIS SPILL AND SAID
BASICALLY OH, WELL.
NOT MY JOB TO TELL ANYONE?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

The Speaker says REFERRED TO THE MINISTER OF THE
ENVIRONMENT, CONSERVATION AND PARKS.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Honourable Jeff Yurek. PC. Minister of the Environment, Conservation and Parks."

Yurek is in his forties, clean-shaven, with thinning brown hair. He wears a black suit, white shirt, and gray tie.

He says THANKS VERY MUCH, MEMBER
OPPOSITE.
AND, LISTEN, WE'VE BEEN
WORKING WITH THE PUBLIC
HEALTH DOWN THERE.
THE MUNICIPALITY,
CONSERVATION AUTHORITY TO
DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE.
YOU KNOW UNDER THE CURRENT
SYSTEM THE ONUS OF
MUNICIPALITIES, LOCAL HEALTH
AUTHORITIES AND CONSERVATION AUTHORITIES IS TO NOTIFY THE
PUBLIC OF THESE HEALTH AND
SAFETY MATTERS.
THE CITY COMPLIED WITH THE
INTENT OF THE MINISTRY ORDER
WE THINK MORE SHOULD HAVE
BEEN DONE TO FULFIL THE
RESPONSIBILITY.
MR. SPEAKER, WE'RE GOING TO
TAKE ACTION.
THAT'S PART OF OUR
MADE-IN-ONTARIO ENVIRONMENT PLAN WHICH IS A YEAR OLD
TOMORROW, THIS PLAN.

[APPLAUSE]

Yurek says WHICH CONTINUES TO EVOLVE
AND MAKE ONTARIO A BETTER
PLACE TO LIVE.
WE'RE GOING TO TRANSFER INTO
A SYSTEM THAT DELIVERS
ONLINE NOTIFICATION THAT
PEOPLE LIVING ACROSS ONTARIO
SO THAT ANY SEWAGE SPILLS,
ANY EVENT SUCH AS THAT GOING
ON THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO ON
LINE AND GET REAL TIME DATA
TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE
INFORMED WHAT'S GOING ON.
THE CITY COUNCIL OF HAMILTON
LET THEIR PEOPLE DOWN AND
HOPEFULLY THEY LEARN FROM
THEIR ERRORS AND MOVE ON AND
BECOME MORE OPEN AND
TRANSPARENT TO THE PEOPLE OF
HAMILTON.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Shaw says WELL, THAT'S ALL WELL AND
GOOD BUT I BELIEVE THE
MINISTRY HAS THE DISCRETION
TO MAKE SURE THAT
HAMILTONIANS WERE INFORMED
AND YOU CHOSE NOT TO USE
THAT DISCRETIONARY POWER.
AND OBVIOUSLY ONTARIANS
DESERVE TRANSPARENCY WHEN IT
COMES TO CONTAMINATION OF
OUR ECOSYSTEM, ESPECIALLY
WHEN THAT CONTAMINATION
COULD AFFECT OUR WATER
SUPPLY.
FAMILIES WALK THEIR DOGS BY
RIVERS AND CREEKS AND THEY
LET THEIR KIDS PLAY IN
PONDS.
THEY DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT
COULD BE LURKING.
WE NOW KNOW THE MINISTRY OF THE ENVIRONMENT HAS KNOWN
ABOUT THE MASSIVE SEWAGE
SPILL FOR SOME TIME IN
HAMILTON.
SO MY QUESTION, AGAIN TO THE
MINISTER, THE PEOPLE OF
HAMILTON AND THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO DESERVE TO KNOW
WHAT'S IN OUR WATER.
HOW MANY OTHER SPILLS AND
LEAKS IS THE MINISTRY
CURRENTLY WAITING FOR
SOMEONE ELSE TO REPORT?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Yurek says THANKS AGAIN FOR THE
QUESTION, MR. SPEAKER.
AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER
JURISDICTIONS ARE INFORMING
THEIR PEOPLE IF THERE'S
SPILLAGES OF SEWAGE.
UNFORTUNATELY THE CITY OF
HAMILTON DECIDED KNOW THE TO
FULLY BE OPEN TO THE PEOPLE
OF THE CITY OF HAMILTON, AND
THAT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THAT
COUNCIL FAILED ITS
RESIDENTS.
BUT, MR. SPEAKER, WHETHER OR
NOT THE MEMBER OPPOSITE
WANTS TO MAKE UP CERTAIN
RULES AND REGULATIONS, THE
ONUS TODAY IS TO REPORT ANY
TYPE OF SYSTEM ON
MUNICIPALITIES.
WE ARE WORKING AS MINISTRY
OF ENVIRONMENT TO ENSURE
THAT THE CLEANUP IS
HAPPENING AND THE WATER AND
RESOURCES RETURN TO ITS BEST
STATE POSSIBLE, MR. SPEAKER.
WE ARE MAKING CHANGES TO THE
SYSTEM.
FOR AN ONLINE REAL-TIME DATA
AVAILABLE TO ALL RESIDENTS
OF ONTARIO FOR ANY SOURCE OF
SEWAGE CONTAMINATION.
MR. SPEAKER, WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO WORK AND ENSURE
THAT SYSTEM'S UP AND GOING.
OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN WILL
START TO DEAL WITH
WASTEWATER TREATMENT,
MR. SPEAKER.
WE WILL MAKE ONTARIO A
BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN
RESPECT TO AIR, LAND AND SEA,
HEALTHY ECONOMY AND
HEALTHY...

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
NEXT question. The member for Kitchener-Conestoga.

Harris says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER.
YESTERDAY THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER INTRODUCED A
PACKAGE WITH CHANGES TO THE
STANDING ORDERS.
THE N.D.P. CLAIM THAT THESE
PROPOSED CHANGES WILL ALLOW
OUR GOVERNMENT AND I QUOTE
TO RAM THROUGH LEGISLATION
AND AS PASS A BILL IN A
SINGLE DAY.
WOULD THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE
LEADER PLEASE EXPLAIN FROM
THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE
STANDING ORDERS REALLY LIMIT
DEBATE AS THE N.D.P. CLAIMS?

[SOME APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says I RECOGNIZE THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER.

Calandra says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
LET ME JUST CONGRATULATE THE MEMBER FOR KITCHENER-CONESTOGA.
HE HAS BEEN A WEALTH OF
KNOWLEDGE OVER THE SUMMER AS
WE'VE BEEN CONSULTING ON
POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE
STANDING ORDERS.
HE HAS BEEN A VERY FIERCE
ADVOCATE FOR IMPROVING
DEBATE AND THE ABILITY FOR
MEMBERS ACROSS THE AISLE
TO...

[APPLAUSE]

Calandra says ENGAGE IN DEBATE.
MR. SPEAKER, LET ME ASSURE
THE MEMBER, BECAUSE I KNOW
THE MEMBER, THIS IS
IMPORTANT TO THE MEMBER BUT
LET ME ASSURE THE MEMBER AND
ALL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE
THAT IN FACT THE CHANGES
THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TO
THE STANDING ORDERS IN NO
WAY IMPACT OR ALLOW THIS
GOVERNMENT, GIVING THIS
GOVERNMENT MORE TOOLS TO
PASS A BILL IN ONE DAY.
IN FACT, MR. SPEAKER, WE'VE
ADDED THE FOLLOWING STANDING
ORDER 47 (D) WHICH SAYS
A BILL AND A TIME ALLOCATION
MOTION APPLYING TO THAT SAME
BILL MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED
ON THE SAME DAY.
WE OF COURSE HAVE NOT
REMOVED THE ABILITY FOR.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Calandra says OPPOSITION TO PROVIDE
REASONED AMENDMENTS WHICH
WOULD ALSO ALLOW THEM TO
DELAY THE PASSAGE OF
LEGISLATION, MR. SPEAKER.
SO PART OF THE PROBLEM I
SUSPECT IS THAT THE N.D.P.
WITHDREW FROM THE PROCESS...

The Speaker says THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Harris says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
THANK YOU TO THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER FOR THOSE KIND
WORDS AND OF COURSE CLEARING
UP WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK
ABOUT TODAY.
MR. SPEAKER, IF THE N.D.P.
HAD INDICATED THAT THEY DID
NOT WANT TO SUPPORT THE
PROPOSED CHANGES, I ASSUME
THAT THAT WOULD ALSO MEAN,
MR. SPEAKER, THAT THEY DON'T
SUPPORT THE ACCOMMODATION OF
MEMBERS WITH DISABILITIES,
AND I FIND THAT QUITE
OUTSTANDING.

[INTERJECTIONS]

The Speaker says ORDER.

Harris says WOULD THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER PLEASE EXPLAIN
WHAT CONSULTATION PROCESS
WENT INTO THESE PROPOSALS,
MR. SPEAKER?

The Speaker says GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER.

[APPLAUSE]

Calandra says THANK YOU VERY MUCH...
ETCH HAVE FOR THE QUESTION,
MR. SPEAKER.
EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, WE
MADE A LOT OF... WE TALKED A
LOT ABOUT WHAT STANDING
ORDERS WE COULD USE TO
MODERNIZE.
MR. SPEAKER, IN THE STANDING
ORDER CHANGES WE DID MAKE A
PROPOSAL THAT MEMBERS WITH
DISABILITY WOULD NOT HAVE TO
ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT IN
ORDER TO PARTICIPATE ON THE
DAILY OPERATIONS OF THE
HOUSE.
WE MADE SOME CHANGES WITH
RESPECT TO CELL PHONES AND
LAPTOPS.
I'M SURE IF YOU LOOK AROUND
THE CHAMBER MOST MEMBERS
HAVE LAPTOPS AND PHONES ON
THEIR DESKS.
WE REACHED OUT OF COURSE IN
EARLY OCTOBER AND SAID TO
THE OPPOSITION WHAT ARE THE
THINGS THAT WE CAN AGREE
UPON?
LET'S PUT THOSE ON THE
TABLE.
LET'S PASS THOSE.
LIKE THAT I WAS TALKING
ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO
MEMBERS WITH DISABILITIES.
AND LET'S PASS THAT AND
DEBATE THE REST OF IT.
THE N.D.P. CHOSE AT THAT
POINT TO WITHDRAW FROM THE
DISCUSSIONS, MR. SPEAKER,
UNFORTUNATELY.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Calandra says I AM INSPIRED BOTH THE GREEN PARTY AND LIBERAL
PARTY HAVE CONTINUED TO
PARTICIPATE AND I THINK THE
STANDING ORDERS WILL REFLECT
IMPROVED OPPORTUNITY FOR
DATA ACROSS BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE NEXT question. The member for Mushkegowuk-James Bay.

The caption changes to "Guy Bourgouin. NDP. Mushkegowuk-James Bay."

Bourgouin is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He wears glasses, a dark blue suit and shirt, and a striped blue tie.

He SPEAKS IN FRENCH AND A TRANSLATOR SAYS THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
TO THE PREMIER.

[END OF TRANSLATION]

In English, Bourgouin continues
NORTHERN ONTARIO, AND ONCE
AGAIN THE PROVINCE RESPONSE
WAS TO CLOSE HIGHWAY 11 AND
17.
ONCE AGAIN NORTHERN ONTARIO
FAMILIES WERE CUT OFF, AND
ONCE AGAIN THE MOVEMENT OF
GOODS THROUGHOUT NORTHERN
ONTARIO CAME TO A HALT.
THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALLY
TREATS HIGHWAY 11 AND 17 IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO AS CLASS 2.
LITERALLY SECOND CLASS,
MR. SPEAKER.
THIS MEANS THE PROVINCE
THINKS IT'S OK THAT NORTHERN
ONTARIO DRIVERS MUST WAIT
LONGER FOR THEIR HIGHWAYS TO
BE CLEARED.
WHY DOES THIS PREMIER THINK
NORTHERN ONTARIO FAMILIES
DESERVE SECOND-CLASS SAFETY
AND SERVICES?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION.

The Speaker says REFERRED TO THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Honourable Caroline Mulroney. Minister of Transportation."

Mulroney is in her mid-forties, with long wavy brown hair. She wears a black blazer over a red dress.

She says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
I'M HAPPY TO RISE IN THE
HOUSE TO ANSWER THIS
QUESTION YET AGAIN.
AND I WILL DO IT EVERY
SINGLE DAY BECAUSE I'M SURE
EVERY DAY IN THE NORTH IT
WILL SNOW.
AND THE MINISTRY OF
TRANSPORTATION.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Mulroney says WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH
THE O.P.P. TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE ARE TAKING STEPS TO
ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR
MOTORISTS IN THE NORTH.
I'M SURE, MR. SPEAKER, THAT
THE MEMBER OPPOSITE WOULD
NOT WANT TO SUBJECT OUR
MOTORISTS TO UNSAFE DRIVING
CONDITIONS, BECAUSE THAT'S
WHAT WE WORK ON AND THAT'S
WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON AT THE
MINISTRY OF TRANSPORTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO REPORT, AS I
HAVE ALREADY IN THIS HOUSE
THAT WE EXCEED OUR SAFETY
STANDARD AND OUR SNOWPLOWING
STANDARD ON HIGHWAY 11 AND
HIGHWAY 17.
THEY EXCEED THE STANDARDS
THAT WE EXPECT FOR OUR CLASS
ONE HIGHWAYS.
WE WILL CONTINUE,
MR. SPEAKER, TO FIND WAYS TO
EXCEED THOSE STANDARD AND TO
CONTINUE TO DO BETTER
BECAUSE ON THIS SIDE OF THE
HOUSE WE ARE FOCUSED ON THE
SAFETY OF THE MOTORISTS OF THE NORTH.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Bourgouin SPEAKS IN FRENCH AND A TRANSLATOR SAYS THANK YOU.

[END OF TRANSLATION]

In English, Bourgouin continues
MADAME MINISTER, THE
ANSWER IS MORE PLOWS.
EARLIER THIS MONTH, THIS
GOVERNMENT VOTED DOWN MY
BILL TO APPLY THE SAME SNOW
CLEARANCE STANDARDS TO
NORTHERN HIGHWAYS 11 AND 17
AS THE 400 SERIES HIGHWAYS
IN THE SOUTH.
THE GOVERNMENT VOTED TO KEEP
NORTHERN ONTARIO AT SECOND
CLASS.
THE MEMBER OF NIPISSING SAID
SECOND-CLASS STATUS FOR THE
NORTH WAS FINE BY HIM.
THIS WEEK NORTHERN ONTARIO
FAMILIES ARE SEEING THIS
SECOND-CLASS STATUS FOR
THEMSELVES WITH REPEATED
HIGHWAY CLOSURES.
THE ANSWER TO SNOW IS NOT TO
CLOSE NORTHERN HIGHWAYS.
THE ANSWER'S TO RUN MORE
PLOWS.
WILL THE PREMIER LISTEN TO
NORTHERN ONTARIO FAMILIES
AND STOP THIS SECOND-CLASS
TREATMENT?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MEMBERS
PLEASE TAKE THEIR SEATS.
MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION
AGAIN TO REPLY.

Mulroney says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

Mulroney says I'M VERY PLEASED TO SAY THAT
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN
CONCRETE STEPS TO IMPROVE
THE LIVES OF PEOPLE LIVING
IN NORTHERN ONTARIO.
BUT INSTEAD OF SUPPORTING
OUR INITIATIVES THAT HELP
THE PEOPLE LIVING IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO, THE N.D.P.
DECIDED TO VOTE AGAINST IT
AND PLAY POLITICS.
IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET,
MR. SPEAKER, OUR GOVERNMENT
REAFFIRMED OUR COMMITMENT.
THE FOUR-LANING OF HIGHWAY
69 AND HIGHWAY 11 AND 17 IN
THE NORTH INCLUDING
STRETCHES BETWEEN KENORA AND
THE MANITOBA BORDER.
THE CREATION OF A MINING
WORKING GROUP, MR. SPEAKER,
THAT'S GOING TO FOCUS ON
ATTRACTING INVESTMENT TO
NORTHERN ONTARIO.
THE OPPOSITION VOTED AGAINST
THOSE INITIATIVES,
MR. SPEAKER.

[INTERJECTIONS]

The Speaker says ORDER.

Mulroney says BUT THAT'S NOT JUST IT,
MR. SPEAKER.
THEY'RE VOTING AGAINST THE
ONTARIO SENIORS DENTAL CARE
PROGRAM.
THEY'RE VOTING AGAINST THE
CHILD CARE TAX CREDIT.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Mulroney says AND THEY'RE VOTING
AGAINST THE LOW INCOME
INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILY TAX
CREDIT.
MR. SPEAKER, THEY'RE ALSO
VOTING AGAINST THE AVIATION
FUEL TAX CREDIT.
MR. SPEAKER, THAT WILL
MAKE...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
STOP THE CLOCK.

[INTERJECTIONS]

The Speaker says ORDER.
ORDER.
ORDER.

[HECKLING]

The Speaker says ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
THE NEXT question. The member for Willowdale.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Stan Cho. PC. Willowdale."

Cho is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with black hair gelled back. He wears a blue suit, a black vest, white shirt, and gray tie.

He says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
AND GOOD MORNING.
MY QUESTION IS FOR OUR
PROVINCE'S FIRST ASSOCIATE
MINISTER OF MENTAL HEALTH
AND ADDICTIONS.

[APPLAUSE]

Cho says SPEAKER, MENTAL HEALTH AND
ADDICTIONS AFFECT PEOPLE AND
FAMILIES IN ALL OF OUR
COMMUNITIES ACROSS THIS
GREAT PROVINCE EACH AND
EVERY YEAR.
NO MATTER WHERE IN ONTARIO,
WE KNOW THAT, EACH YEAR, 2.5
MILLION ONTARIANS, THAT'S
ONE IN FIVE, MR. SPEAKER,
WILL EXPERIENCE A MENTAL
HEALTH OR ADDICTIONS
CHALLENGE.
AND FOR MANY LIVING IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO, ESPECIALLY
THOSE IN OUR INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITIES, THERE'S NEXT TO
NO MENTAL HEALTH AND
ADDICTION SUPPORT.
I KNOW THAT OUR GOVERNMENT
RECOGNIZES, MR. SPEAKER,
THAT WE MUST DO MORE.
WOULD THE MINISTER PLEASE
EXPLAIN WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT
IS DOING TO ADDRESS MENTAL
HEALTH AND ADDICTIONS IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE
ASSOCIATE MINISTER OF MENTAL
HEALTH AND ADDICTIONS.

The caption changes to "Honourable Michael A. Tibollo. Associate Minister of Mental Health and addictions."

Tibollo is in his late fifties, clean-shaven and balding. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and patterned blue tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBER
FROM WILLOWDALE FOR HIS
EXCELLENT AND IMPORTANT
QUESTION.
MR. SPEAKER, I RECENTLY
TRAVELLED THROUGHOUT
NORTHERN ONTARIO VISITING
MANY OF THE REMOTE
COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDED ME
WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE
MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTIONS
CHALLENGES FACED BY MANY
ONTARIANS LIVING IN RURAL
AND REMOTE COMMUNITIES EACH
AND EVERY DAY.
MR. SPEAKER, MY TRAVELS TOOK
ME FROM THUNDER BAY TO SIOUX
LOOKOUT AND ALL THE WAY TO
REMOTE INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITIES SUCH AS PEG PEG
AND SANDY LAKE.
DURING MY TRAVELS... PEG
BEGAN JI COUPLE.
I MET WITH COMMUNITY
ORGANIZATIONS AND FIRST
RESPONDERS WHO CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH POPULATIONS WHO
WERE CONTINUOUSLY NEGLECTED
BY PREVIOUS GOVERNMENTS.
OUR GOVERNMENT REMAINS
COMMITTED TO TAKING REAL
ACTION TO ENSURE ONTARIANS
IN THE NORTH RECEIVE ACCESS
TO HIGH QUALITY MENTAL
HEALTH AND ADDICTION
SERVICES WHERE AND WHEN THEY
NEED THEM.

The Speaker says THE
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Cho says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
I AM PROUD TO STAND HERE IN
THIS LEGISLATURE KNOWING
THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS
MAKING MENTAL HEALTH AND
ADDICTIONS A TOP PRIORITY.

[APPLAUSE]

Cho says I'M ALSO PROUD THAT OUR
GOVERNMENT IS CONTINUING TO
DELIVER REAL ACTION TO
ADDRESS THE MENTAL HEALTH
AND ADDICTIONS CRISIS IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO.
I'M ALSO PLEASED TO HEAR
THAT THE MINISTER'S TAKEN
THE TIME TO MEET WITH
INDIGENOUS PARTNERS AND
FRONT-LINE WORKERS
THROUGHOUT THE NORTH.
I KNOW THAT THESE FIRSTHAND
EXPERIENCES WILL INFORM MUCH
OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE
DOING TO ADDRESS THE GAPS IN
OUR MENTAL HEALTH AND
ADDICTIONS SYSTEM.
SPEAKER, WOULD THE MINISTER
PLEASE PROVIDE THIS HOUSE
WITH MORE DETAIL ON THE
MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICT
SUPPORTS BEING PROVIDED FOR
THOSE INCREDIBLE CITIZENS IN
NORTHERN ONTARIO?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER TO REPLY.

Tibollo says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
AND AGAIN I WANT TO THANK
THE MEMBER FOR THAT
QUESTION.
SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING,
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS REMAINED
COMMITTED TO INVESTING 3.8
BILLION DOLLARS OVER TEN YEARS TO
BUILD A COMPREHENSIVE,
CONNECTED AND INTEGRATED
MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTIONS
SYSTEM, UNDERPINNED BY OUR
MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION
STRATEGY THAT WE LOOK
FORWARD TO UNVEILING IN THE
COMING MONTHS.
OUR GOVERNMENT WILL CONTINUE
WORKING HARD TO ENSURE THAT
ONTARIANS IN THE NORTH ARE
ABLE TO ACCESS QUALITY
MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION
SERVICES NO MATTER WHERE
THEY LIVE IN THE PROVINCE.
ON TOP OF THE 19.9 MILLION DOLLARS WE HAVE INVESTED IN
CONSUMPTION AND TREATMENT
SERVICE SITES THIS YEAR, WE
WILL ALSO MAKE INVESTMENTS
IN THE NORTH THAT WILL WILL
GENERATE POSITIVE IMPACTS IN
NORTHERN COMMUNITIES.
THIS YEAR, WE'VE INVESTED
OVER 33 MILLION DOLLARS.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Tibollo says IN OPIOID PREVENTION
TREATMENT SERVICES, FUNDING
THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GO TO
SERVICE PROVIDERS IN REGIONS
ACROSS NORTHERN ONTARIO.
THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Honourable Ted Arnott. Speaker."

The Speaker says THE NEXT question. The member for SAINT CATHARINES.

THE CAPTION CHANGES TO "JENNIFER (JENNIE) STEVENS. NDP. SAINT CATHARINES."

Stevens IS IN HER LATE FIFTIES, WITH BLOND HAIR IN A SHORT BOB AND BANGS. SHE WEARS A gray blazer, white blouse, and a silver chain necklace.

She says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE ACTING
PREMIER.
TODAY IN ST. CATHARINES, I
HAVE A RESIDENT, TERRY
WHELAN WHO SUFFERS FROM
SPINAL MUSCULAR ATROPHY THAT
REQUIRES A DRUG CALLED
SPINRAZA.
OVER 1 YEARS OLD WHICH MEANS
HE HAS TO COVER THE FULL
COST OF THE LIFESAVING DRUG.
HE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD TO
PAY UPWARDS OF 700,000 PER
DOSE.
BACK IN JUNE, THE HEALTH
MINISTER COMMITTED TO
REVIEWING COVERAGE ON A
CASE-BY-CASE BASIS THROUGH
THE EXCEPTIONAL ACCESS
PROGRAM FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE
TOO OLD FOR AUTOMATIC
COVERAGE.
HOWEVER, DESPITE FULL OF ALL
REQUIREMENTS FOR THE
EXCEPTIONAL COVERAGE, JARED
HAS BEEN WAITING FOR MONTHS
TO HEAR BACK FROM THE
MINISTRY.
DOES THE PREMIER THINK IT IS
FAIR TO MAKE YOUNG PEOPLE
LIKE JARED HOPE AND PRAY
THEY'LL RECEIVE APPROVAL OF
THIS BECAUSE OF AN ARBITRARY
AGE RESTRICTION ESTABLISHED
BY THIS GOVERNMENT?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY PREMIER.

The caption changes to "Honourable Christine Elliott. PC. Minister of Health."

Elliott is in her late fifties, with long blond hair. She wears a knitted gray blazer over a black dress.

She says I THANK THE MEMBER VERY
MUCH FOR THE QUESTION AND
I'M SORRY THAT JARED HAS
BEEN WAITING SO LONG TO FIND
OUT ABOUT HIS... THE
AVAILABILITY OF SPINRAZA
UNDER THE EXCEPTIONAL ACCESS
PROGRAM.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SPEAK
WITH YOU PRIVATELY ABOUT
THIS TO UNDERSTAND MORE
ABOUT THE DETAILS, AND I
WOULD CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP
WITH THE MINISTRY TO TRY AND
GET AN ANSWER FOR HIM AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Stevens says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT
RESPONSE.
HOWEVER, JARED IS 31 YEARS
OLD WHOSE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS
CUT SHORT BECAUSE HE CANNOT
AFFORD THIS MEDICATION HE
NEEDS, AND YOU KNOW THIS.
HOWEVER, THE MINISTER OF
HEALTH KNOWS THIS BECAUSE I
SENT HER A LETTER IN JUNE,
AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IN
AUGUST.
AND I ONLY RECEIVED A LETTER
LATE IN OCTOBER, AFTER
REMINDING THE HEALTH
MINISTER IN PERSON.
BUT HER RESPONSE STILL DID
NOT INCLUDE AN ACTUAL ANSWER
FOR THE DYING MAN.
JUST EARLIER THIS WEEK, THE
PREMIER GAVE THE EXCUSE THAT
NEARLY ALL ONTARIANS HAVE
DRUG COVERAGE FOR HIS REASON
TO OPPOSE PHARMACARE.
WILL THE PREMIER ADMIT THAT
HE WAS WRONG AND IMMEDIATELY
COMMIT TO COVERAGE, COVERING
JARED'S DRUG TREATMENT
TODAY?

Interjection: RIGHT ON.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says AGAIN,
DEPUTY PREMIER MINISTER OF HEALTH.

Elliott says AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE
QUESTION, BUT AS THE MEMBER
WILL KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE
EVIDENCE-BASED DECISIONS
WITH RESPECT TO DRUGS, WITH
RESPECT TO ANY KIND OF
COVERAGE.
THE INDICATIONS THAT WE HAVE
RIGHT NOW IS SPINRAZA IS
PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE FOR
PEOPLE OF A YOUNGER AGE BUT
AS I HAVE INDICATED TO YOU,
I AM CERTAINLY VERY HAPPY TO
LOOK SPECIFICALLY INTO
JARED'S CASE AND TO DISCUSS
THAT WITH YOU IN GREATER
DETAIL.
SO THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE NEXT question. The member for Parry-Sound-Muskoka.

The caption changes to "Norman Miller. PC. Parry-Sound-Muskoka."

Miller is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears a blue suit, white shirt, and checkered gray tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MINISTER OF NATURAL
RESOURCES AND FORESTRY.
FLOOD SOMETHING HAVING AN
INCREASED IMPACT ON THE
PEOPLE OF ONTARIO AND OUR
COMMUNITIES.
IN BOTH 2017 AND 2019, WE
EXPERIENCED WIDESPREAD
FLOODING DURING THE SPRING
FRESHET.
AS A RESULT THERE ARE
ONGOING CONCERNS ABOUT THE
SITUATION, ESPECIALLY IN MY
RIDING OF PARRY-SOUND-MUSKOKA.
THIS SUMMER YOU APPOINTED
DOUG MCNEIL SPECIAL ADVISOR
TO EXAMINE ONTARIO'S FLOOD
PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE TO
THIS YEAR'S FLOODS.
THE SPECIAL ADVISOR'S REPORT
HAS BEEN MADE PUBLIC THIS
MORNING AND I LOOK FORWARD
TO STUDYING IT CLOSELY.
CAN THE MINISTER TELL THE
PEOPLE OF PARRY
SOUND-MUSKOKA AND OTHER
AREAS THAT EXPERIENCED
FLOODING THIS YEAR ABOUT
WHAT STEPS BEING TAKEN BY
OUR GOVERNMENT?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
NATURAL RESOURCES AND
FORESTRY.

The caption changes to "Honourable John Yakabuski. PC. Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry."

Yakabuski is in his early sixties, clean-shaven and balding. He wears a gray suit, blue shirt, and blue plaid tie.

He says I THANK THE MEMBER FOR PARRY SOUND-MUSKOKA FOR THE
QUESTION AND I WANT TO THANK
HIM FOR HIS HARD WORK DURING
THE FLOODS DURING THE SPRING
AS WELL.
I WANT TO THANK MR. MCNEIL
FOR HIS HARD WORK ON THE
REPORT AS A SPECIAL ADVISOR,
AS WELL AS THE PREMIER FOR
HIS LEADERSHIP ON THIS FILE.
AS I ANNOUNCED THIS MORNING,
MR. MCNEIL'S INDEPENDENT
REPORT ON ONTARIO'S FLOOD
RESPONSE FOUND THAT THE
ACTIONS TAKEN BY OUR
GOVERNMENT AND OUR PARTNERS
IN WATER MANAGEMENT HAVE
BEEN EFFECTIVE IN REDUCING
AND MITIGATING THE RISKS
POSED BY FLOODING.
HOWEVER, WE KNOW THAT
THERE'S ALWAYS MORE THAT CAN
BE DONE SO THAT ONTARIO IS
BETTER PREPARED FOR FUTURE
EVENTS.
SPECIAL ADVISOR'S REPORT
CONTAINS RECOMMENDATIONS ON
HOW WE CAN IMPROVE FLOOD
MANAGEMENT IN ONTARIO AND I
LOOK FORWARD TO SPEAKING TO
MORE OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE
SUPPLEMENTAL.
THANK YOU.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

[APPLAUSE]

Miller says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THE NUMBER-ONE PRIORITY FOR
ANY GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE
PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE
PROTECTION OF PEOPLE AND
PROPERTY.
I, TOO, WANT TO THANK
MR. MCNEIL FOR HIS WORK ON
THIS REPORT.
I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HIS
KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE WHEN
I ATTENDED HIS MEETING WITH
MUNICIPAL LEADERS IN
MUSKOKA.
CAN THE MINISTER TELL US THE
NATURE OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE
REPORT AND WHAT ACTIONS THE
GOVERNMENT WILL BE TAKING TO
INCREASE ONTARIO'S
RESILIENCY FOR FUTURE FLOOD
EVENT?

Interjection: GOOD
QUESTION.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Yakabuski says I THANK THE MEMBER FOR HIS SUPPLEMENTAL AS WELL,
SPEAKER.
AS I SAID EARLIER THE
SPECIAL ADVISOR'S REPORT
MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS ON
IMPROVING ONTARIO'S FLOOD
MANAGEMENT.
OUR GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED
TO ADDRESSING THESE
RECOMMENDATIONS BY UPDATING
POLICIES, REGULATIONS AND
GUIDELINES TO PROTECT PEOPLE
AND PROPERTY, AS WELL AS
CONTINUING TO INVEST OVER
4.7 MILLION DOLLARS IN
INFRASTRUCTURE FOR FLOOD
FORECASTING AND WARNINGS.
LAST WEEK THE PREMIER SENT A
LETTER TO PRIME MINISTER
TRUDEAU, ASKING THE
INTERNATIONAL JOINT
COMMISSION TO APPOINT A
MEMBER TO THE INTERNATIONAL
LAKE ONTARIO ST. LAWRENCE
RIVER BOARD FROM ONTARIO,
SOMEONE CHOSEN BY THE
PROVINCE TO REPRESENT THE
REGION INPACKETED BY RECORD
HIGH WATER LEVELS.
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT
COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED BY
THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE
IJC ARE REPRESENTED AT THE
TABLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE NEXT question. The member for Kiiwetinoong.

The caption changes to "Sol Mamakwa. NDP. Kiiwetinoong."

Mamakwa is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short black hair. He wears glasses, a blue plaid suit, white shirt, and floral print tie.

He says GOOD MORNING, SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE
PREMIER.
THE MATAWA CHIEFS COUNCIL
CAME TO QUEEN'S PARK THIS
WEEK TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS
THEY HAD WITH BILL 32 AT
COMMITTEE.
THEY STATED THAT IT WAS
INAPPROPRIATE FOR ONTARIO TO
ADDRESS INHERENT ABORIGINAL
AND TREATY RIGHTS WITHIN THE
SCHEDULE OF THE RED TAPE
REDUCTION BILL.
THE CHIEFS COUNCIL CAME HERE
TO SPEAK TO ONTARIO, NOT
JUST AS PARTNERS, BUT AS
INVESTORS OF CERTAINTY THAT
IS REQUIRED FOR ANYONE TO DO
BUSINESS IN THE NORTH.
MR. SPEAKER, WHY DOES THIS
GOVERNMENT NOT UNDERSTAND
THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF NOT
PROPERLY PARTNERING WITH
FIRST NATIONS?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY
PREMIER.
MINISTER OF INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS.

The caption changes to "Honourable Greg Rickford. PC. Minister of Indigenous Affairs."

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBER
OPPOSITE...

[APPLAUSE]

Rickford says FOR HIS QUESTION.
OF COURSE THE BETTER...
BETTER FOR PEOPLE MART ER
FOR BUSINESS ACT 2019
PROVIDES CERTAINTY TO THE
MINING SECTOR.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO
THE MINING ACT HOLD THE
GOVERNMENT TO MAKE A
DECISION ABOUT FILING OR
RETURNING CLOSURE PLANNED
AMENDMENT TO 45 DAYS.
MR. SPEAKER, THERE ARE NO
IMPACTS TO TREATY AND
ABORIGINAL RIGHTS.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Rickford says AS A RESULT OF THESE
PROPOSED CHANGES.
ALL CONSULTATION IMPORTANTLY
NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED UP
FRONT, WITH THE CONSULTATION
REPORT, BEFORE ANY CERTIFIED
CLOSURE PLAN IS RECEIVED.
MR. SPEAKER, WE TAKE OUR
DUTY TO CONSULT AND
ACCOMMODATE, MORE
IMPORTANTLY BUILD
RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE
MATAWA COMMUNITIES LIKE THE
30 MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT INTO
THEIR BROADBAND,
MR. SPEAKER, TO ENSURE THEY
HAVE THEN INFORMATION
HIGHWAY.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Rickford says HOPEFULLY CORRIDOR TO
PROSPERITY AND BETTER LIFE
OVERALL.
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Mamakwa says ONTARIO'S NORTH HAS THE
POTENTIAL TO BE THE NEXT
ECONOMIC ENGINE OF THE
COUNTRY.
BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT IN WHAT
ONTARIO CALLS AS FAR NORTH
CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE
IMPOSED WITHOUT THE CONSENT
OF FIRST NATIONS.

[APPLAUSE]

Mamakwa says THE OMNIBUS BILL LEGISLATION,
BILL 132, IS BEING FAST
TRACKED BY THIS GOVERNMENT
WITHOUT GIVING FIRST NATIONS
AN APPROPRIATE ENGAGEMENT
MECHANISM AND TIME TO
RESPOND.
WILL THE GOVERNMENT REMOVE
SCHEDULES 8 AND 16 FROM THE
BILL AND ESTABLISH A
RESPECTFUL PROCESS FOR
ENGAGEMENT WITH FIRST
NATIONS, YES OR NO?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MEMBERS
PLEASE TAKE THEIR SEATS.
MINISTER OF INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS.

Rickford says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
THE HISTORY OF THE FAR NORTH
ACT.
NO ONE SHOULD DISPUTE ON
EITHER SIDE OF THIS FLOOR,
MR. SPEAKER, THAT THAT FAR
NORTH ACT LACKED ANY, ANY
CONSULTATION OR
ACCOMMODATION FOR THE
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES IN
THE FAR NORTH.
I HAPPEN TO BE LIVING UP IN
THOSE COMMUNITIES WHEN THAT
ACT WAS BEING SHOVED DOWN
THEIR THROATS, MR. SPEAKER.
THE ONLY PIECE OF IT THAT
WAS SALVAGEABLE WAS LAND USE
PLANNING, MR. SPEAKER, AND
WE INTEND AND WE CONTINUE TO
SUPPORT THE COMMUNITIES IN
THOSE IMPORTANT ACTIVITIES,
BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE A
SAY, MR. SPEAKER.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
THAT I JUST HAD A
CONVERSATION WITH GRAND
CHIEF ALVIN FIDDLER,
MR. SPEAKER, WHO'S LOOKING
FORWARD TO AN IMPORTANT
DIALOGUE MOVING FORWARD,
MR. SPEAKER, THAT WILL
TRANSFORM THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR THOSE COMMUNITIES IN THE
NORTH.
BUT WHILE I'M ON MY FEET,
MR. SPEAKER, I HAVE TO ASK
THE MEMBER OPPOSITE, WHEN IT
COMES TO.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Rickford says VOTING AGAINST THE
AVIATION FUEL.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Rickford says MR. SPEAKER, WHY DID HE
SAY NO TO SOMETHING THAT
WOULD IN ACTUAL DOLLARS REDUCE THE COST OF FOOD
TRANSPORTATION IN AND OUT OF THE ISOLATED COMMUNITIES IN
HIS...

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
NEXT question. The member for Niagara West.

The caption changes to "Sam Oosterhoff. PC. Niagara West."

Oosterhoff is in his early twenties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and lavender tie.

He says THANKS VERY MUCH,
SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION TO THE ASSOCIATE
MINISTER OF CHILDREN AND
WOMEN'S ISSUES.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THE
MINISTER ATTENDED A HUMAN
TRAFFICKING ROUND TABLE IN
MY RIDING THIS SUMMER AND
I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT WE HAD
WONDERFUL TURNOUT FROM
ORGANIZATIONS ACROSS THE
REGION.
OUT OF THE 13 THAT WERE HELD,
I UNDERSTAND WE HAD THE MOST
PARTICIPANT.
WE EVEN HAD FIREFIGHTERS
SPEAKING ABOUT THEIR
EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH
VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS.
AND IT'S SO UNFORTUNATE
HUMAN TRAFFICKING OCCURS AND
IMPACTS SO MANY AREAS OF
LIFE BUT IT IS ALSO SO
ENCOURAGING TO SEE THAT MANY
DIFFERENT SECTORS ARE TAKING
THIS SERIOUSLY AND PROVIDING
TRAINING SO THAT THEY CAN BE
SUPPORTIVE, UNDERSTANDING
AND HELPING THOSE WHO NEED
IT MOST.
SO COULD THE MINISTER EXPAND
ON THE ROLE OF THE
STAKEHOLDERS AND HOW THEY
PLAY SUCH AN IMPORTANT ROLE
IN DEVELOPING OUR ANTI-HUMAN
TRAFFICKING WORK.
ROUNDTABLES ACROSS THE
PROVINCE AND HOW THIS HAS
INFORMED THE ANNOUNCEMENT
THIS MORNING?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says ASSOCIATE
MINISTER OF WOMEN AND
CHILDREN'S ISSUES.

Dunlop says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER FOR THAT QUESTION.
SPEAKER, I WANT TO THANK ALL
STAKEHOLDERS FOR
PARTICIPATING IN THESE
ROUNDTABLES.
I WAS PRIVILEGED TO MEET
WITH SURVIVORS, LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS,
INDIGENOUS PARTNERS LIKE
ONTARIO NATIVE WOMEN'S
ASSOCIATION, WHO WAS IN THE
GALLERY TODAY AND WHO I'LL
BE MEETING WITH LATER AND
ALSO OTHER FRONT-LINE
WORKERS.
IT IS THE WORKERS... FOR
WORK OF PARTNERS LIKE ONLAW
THAT ENCOURAGED US TO ACT ON
TODAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT AND IT
IS THROUGH COLLABORATIVE
WORK THAT THE SOLICITOR
GENERAL AND I WILL BE
DEVELOPING A COMPREHENSIVE
ANTI-HUMAN TRAFFICKING
STRATEGY.
I WANT TO THANK CORA LEE
MAGUIRE, ONTARIO NATIVE
WOMEN'S ASSOCIATION, FOR HER
SUPPORTIVE QUOTE TODAY.
THE ONTARIO NATIVE WOMEN'S
ASSOCIATION IS PLEASED THE
ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS
RENEWED AND EXPANDED ON
THEIR COMMITMENT TO END
HUMAN TRAFFICKING.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Dunlop says THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT
STEP HONOURING THE VOICES
AND EXPERTISE OF INDIGENOUS
SURVIVORS WHO HAVE BRAVELY
SHARED THEIR STORIES TO
CREATE PROGRAMMING SERVICES
THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF
INDIGENOUS WOMEN AND
CHILDREN.

The Speaker says THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTION.

Oosterhoff says THANKS VERY MUCH, SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS BACK TO THE
ASSOCIATE MINISTER OF
WOMEN'S ISSUES.
THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT
SUBJECT AND IT'S ONE THAT I
KNOW SO MANY OF US ACROSS
PARTY LINES HAVE HEARD FROM,
CONSTITUENTS AND HAVE HEARD
FROM PEOPLE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES ABOUT.
BUT IT'S OFTEN A HIDDEN
PROBLEM.
IT'S ONE THAT WE MIGHT NOT
KNOW ABOUT OR HEAR ABOUT
UNTIL IT IMPACTS SOMEONE
VERY CLOSE TO US.
I KNOW PRIOR TO GETTING INTO
ELECTED OFFICE I DID NOT
KNOW MUCH ABOUT HUMAN
TRAFFICKING AND I WAS
UNAWARE OF JUST HOW MUCH OF
IT OCCURS ALSO IN THE
NIAGARA REGION.
AND SO AS OUR EYES ARE
OPENED, THE CALL TO ACTION
BECOMES STRONGER.
I'M SO PROUD THAT THIS
GOVERNMENT, WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF PREMIER FORD
AND OUR WHOLE TEAM HAS SHOWN
DEDICATION TOWARDS THIS
ISSUE.
I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE
THE WORK OF THE MINISTER OF
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS
REGARD.
BUT I THINK IT'S SO
IMPORTANT THAT THE
ANNOUNCEMENT THIS MORNING.

The Speaker says QUESTION.

Oosterhoff says THE FIRST STEP TOWARD
MUCH MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE IN THIS AREA.
SO COULD THE MINISTER
EXPLAIN AS TO HOW THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT CAME TO BE AND
WHAT THE STEPS ARE GOING TO
BE MOVING FORWARD?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
MINISTER TO REPLY.

Dunlop says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER
AGAIN FOR YOUR QUESTION AND
THANK YOU FOR HOSTING A
ROUND TABLE IN YOUR RIDING.
THE ROUND TABLE WE HELD IN
NIAGARA FALLS WAS THE LAST
OF 13 ROUNDTABLES THAT WE
DID, AND I THANK ALL THOSE
STAKEHOLDERS WHO CAME OUT
AND SHARED THEIR VALUABLE
INFORMATION.
THOSE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE,
THOSE WORKING ON THE FRONT
LINES, THOSE IN THE
COMMUNITY SAVT SEFT SECTOR.
NIAGARA, BARRIE, BURL LING
TON.
VIOLENT COORDINATING
COMMITTEES AND SHELTERS
ACROSS THE PROVINCE TO HEAR
FIRST HAND FROM THOSE
WORKING WITH VICTIMS OF
HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THOSE
WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE WHO
SHARED EXPERIENCE WITH US IN
MOVING FORWARD AS WE DEVELOP
OUR ANTI-HUMAN TRAFFICKING
PROGRAM.
AS THE MEMBER SAID, IT'S
OFTEN UNREPORTED CASES.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Dunlop says TWO THIRDS OF THE CASES
HAPPENING IN CANADA HAPPEN
RIGHT HERE AT HOME IN OUR
OWN COMMUNITIES.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT
WE'RE SUPPORTING VICTIMS BUT
THAT WE'RE ALSO EDUCATING
THE PUBLIC TO HAVE...

The Speaker says NEXT question. The member for Timmins.

The caption changes to "Gilles Bisson. NDP. Timmins."

Bisson is in his fifties, balding, with a full white beard. He wears a white shirt and an orange tie.

He says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE
MINISTER OF COMMUNITY AND
SOCIAL SERVICES.
MY COLLEAGUE FROM ST. PAUL'S
EARLIER THIS WEEK ASKED THE
QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE
CLOSURE OF THE TRANQUILITY
HOUSE, THE WOMEN'S SHELTER
THAT WAS IN MY COLLEAGUE'S
RIDING.
AS A RESULT OF THAT CLOSURE,
CAPACITY HAS INCREASED AS
FAR AS THE NUMBER OF WOMEN
SEEKING BEDS IN THE SHELTERS
BOTH IN HIS COMMUNITY AND IN
THE CITY OF TIMMINS.
WE NEED TO GET YOU TO
TRANSFER THE MONEY THAT USED
TO GO TO SHELTERS, THAT
PROVIDED THE DOLLARS IN
ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE
SERVICES TO THE WOMEN WHO
ENTER THOSE SHELTERS.
WILL YOU MAKE SURE THAT THE
MONEY THAT USED TO BE USED
IN ORDER TO FUND THE
SERVICES AT TRANQUILITY
HOUSE AND MATHESON BE
TRANSFERRED TO THE OTHER
CENTRES SO THAT THEY CAN
DEAL WITH THE OVER CAPACITY?
WE ARE NOW RUNNING AT 130 percent.

Interjection: SHAME.

Bisson says IN TIMMINS AT THE WOMEN'S CENTRES.

The Speaker says QUESTION.

Bisson says AND ALSO THE WOMEN'S
SHELTER.
WILL YOU DO THAT?

The Speaker says ADDRESSED TO
THE MINISTER OF CHILDREN,
COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL
SERVICES.

A voice says THE ASSOCIATE MINISTER OF CHILDREN AND WOMEN'S ISSUES.

The Speaker says REFERRED TO THE ASSOCIATE MINISTER OF
WOMEN'S AND CHILDREN'S
ISSUES.

Dunlop says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER FOR YOUR QUESTION.
ALL ONTARIANS IS A TOP
PRIORITY AND I WILL WORK TO
MEET WITH YOU AS WELL AS
YOUR SHELTER ON HOW WE CAN
DO BETTER IN THOSE AREAS.
OUR GOVERNMENT IS INVESTING
IN VIOLENCE PREVENTION AND
COMMUNITY SERVICES THAT
SUPPORT WOMEN AND THEIR
DEPENDENTS.
THIS YEAR THE MINISTRY IS
INVESTING MORE THAN 166
MILLION DOLLARS IN SUPPORT FOR
SURVIVORS OF VIOLENCE
PREVENTION INITIATIVES.
THIS INCLUDES MORE THAN 8.7
MILLION DOLLARS IN SUPPORTS FOR
AREAS.
WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO
COMBATING AGAINST VIOLENCE
OF WOMEN IN ALL OF ITS
FORMS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING
WITH THE MEMBER AND
DISCUSSING THE SITUATION IN
YOUR RIDING.

[APPLAUSE]

Watch: Question Period: Thursday, November, 28, 2019