Transcript: Question Period: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 | Aug 15, 2018

A still camera shows the Ontario Legislature. A caption on screen reads "Oral questions."

The Speaker stands. He's is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short light brown hair. He wears a black robe.

The Speaker says IT'S NOW TIME
FOR ORAL QUESTIONS.
I RECOGNIZE THE LEADER OF HER
MAJESTY'S LOYAL OPPOSITION.

[Some Applause]

The caption changes to "Andrea Horwath. NDP. Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition."

Horwath is in her fifties, with straight blond hair in a bob. She wears a short-sleeved gray coat over a white dress.

She says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS FOR THE
PREMIER.
WITH BILL 5, THE PREMIER HAS
REWRITTEN THE RULES FOR
TORONTO'S MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS,
EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ALREADY
HALFWAY THROUGH THE CAMPAIGN.
WHY DOES THE PREMIER THINK IT IS
DEMOCRATIC TO RIP UP ELECTION
RULES IN THE MIDDLE OF A
CAMPAIGN?

The Speaker says PREMIER.

Premier Ford stands up. He's in his early fifties, clean-shaven, with short blond hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and striped gray tie.

The caption changes to "Honourable Doug Ford. PC. Premier."

He says THROUGH YOU, MR. SPEAKER,
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS
OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION...
THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
JUST DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
PEOPLE WANT.
THE PEOPLE WANT SMALLER
GOVERNMENT, THEY WANT LOWER
TAXES, THEY WANT LOWER HYDRO
RATES, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY HAVE GOOD-PAYING JOBS.
AND THEY WANT A CITY OF OF
TORONTO THAT IS FUNCTIONAL.
A CITY OF TORONTO THAT CAN BUILD
TRANSIT.
THE SCARBOROUGH SUBWAY,
MR. SPEAKER, HAS BEEN SWITCHED
EIGHT TIMES.
THE PEOPLE OF SCARBOROUGH ARE
SUFFERING.
THEY'RE SUFFERING, THERE'S A
TWO-TIERED TRANSIT SYSTEM.
ONE FOR ONE PART OF THE CITY AND
ONE FOR OUR FRIENDS OUT IN
SCARBOROUGH.
I CAN TELL MY FRIENDS IN
SCARBOROUGH, SUBWAYS ARE COMING
TO SCARBOROUGH.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says MEMBERS WILL
PLEASE TAKE THEIR SEATS.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says BACK TO BILL 5, SPEAKER,
REGARDLESS OF THEIR POLITICS,
TORONTO VOTERS EXPECT THEIR
ELECTION TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
THE PREMIER CAN'T JUST RIP UP
THE ELECTION RULE BOOK IN THE
MIDDLE OF A CAMPAIGN BECAUSE HE
WANTS A PARTICULAR RESULT.
THIS ISN'T A P.C. NOMINATION
CONTEST WHERE THE LEADER CAN GET
AWAY WITH BREAKING PARTY RULES
SO HIS FAVOURITE CANDIDATE WINS.
WILL THE PREMIER WITHDRAW BILL 5
AND ALLOW THE TORONTO ELECTION
TO PROCEED UNDER THE RULES THAT
WERE IN PLACE WHEN THE CAMPAIGN
OFFICIALLY BEGAN?

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says PREMIER.

Ford says says THROUGH YOU, MR. SPEAKER, THE
COUNCIL, WITHOUT ANY
CONSULTATION, WENT AHEAD AND
WANTED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF
POLITICIANS FROM 44 TO 47 WITH
ZERO CONSULTATION FROM THE
PEOPLE.

The Speaker says ORDER ON THE
OPPOSITION SIDE.

Ford says MY FRIENDS, THEY WANT AN
EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT.
AS I'VE SAID OVER AND OVER
AGAIN, WE HAVE 25 MPPs, AND
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 25
COUNCILLORS.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says WELL, THAT SIMPLY WASN'T THE
CASE, SPEAKER, BUT THE PREMIER
AND HIS FRIENDS LOOKED HIGH AND
LOW FOR A CANDIDATE IN PEEL
REGION TO RUN AGAINST PATRICK
BROWN AND WHEN HE DIDN'T FIND
THE ONE WE WANTED, THE PREMIER
CANCELLED THE ELECTION.
LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT BILL 5,
IT'S ABOUT AN INSECURE AND
VINDICTIVE PREMIER LOOKING TO
SETTLE SCORES AND CONTROL LOCAL
DEMOCRACY.
WILL THE PREMIER JUST ADMIT IT
AND REPEAL BILL 5?

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says PREMIER.

Ford says THROUGH YOU, MR. SPEAKER, THE
PEOPLE IN THE REGION AROUND THE
GTA AND SOUTHERN ONTARIO, THEY
WANT AN EFFICIENT GOVERNMENT.
THEY DON'T WANT LAYERS AND
LAYERS AND LAYERS.
THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA WROTE
NUMEROUS LETTERS TO THE FORMER
PREMIER THAT WERE TOTALLY
IGNORED.
THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA COUNCIL
VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANOTHER
LAYER OF GOVERNMENT.
PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF
POLITICIANS AND LAYERS OF
GOVERNMENT...

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
WATERLOO WILL COME TO ORDER.

Ford says NOT BEING EFFICIENT.
WE'RE GOING TO RESPECT THE
TAXPAYERS AND PUT MONEY BACK
INTO THEIR POCKETS INSTEAD OF A
BUNCH OF POLITICIANS' POCKETS.

The Speaker says FINAL
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS ALSO FOR THE
PREMIER.
TODAY, TEACHERS, PARENTS,
STUDENTS AND OTHER CONCERNED
GROUPS WILL RALLY OUTSIDE THIS
BUILDING TO PROTEST THE
PREMIER'S SCRAPPING OF THE 2015
SEX EDUCATION CURRICULUM.
THIS FOLLOWS ANOTHER MASSIVE
RALLY ON JULY 21st WHICH WAS
ORGANIZED BY HIGH SCHOOL
STUDENTS WHO DO NOT WANT TO
START THE SCHOOL YEAR WITH A SEX
ED CURRICULUM THAT'S OLDER THAN
THEY ARE.
ONE ORGANIZER, 16-YEAR-OLD RAIN
FISHER KWAN, POINTED OUT THAT
THE CURRICULUM WASN'T JUST FOR
HER BUT FOR THE 284 BOYS, THE
284 BOYS ON HER INSTAGRAM BLOCK
LIST WHO NEED THIS CURRICULUM TO
TEACH THEM THE MEANING OF THE
WORDS "NO."
WILL THE PREMIER LISTEN TO
TEACHERS, TO PARENTS AND TO
STUDENTS LIKE RAIN AND KEEP THE
MODERN 2015 SEX EDUCATION
CURRICULUM IN PLACE?

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says PREMIER.
MEMBERS WILL PLEASE TAKE THEIR SEATS.

Ford says WELL, THROUGH YOU,
MR. SPEAKER, THERE WAS ZERO
CONSULTATION, 1668 PEOPLE ONLINE
AFTER THE CURRICULUM WAS DONE SO
THE PARENTS, THE NDP BELIEVE THE
PARENTS SHOULD HAVE NO SAY AT
ALL.
THEY FEEL WE SHOULD RAM THIS
BILL THROUGH WITHOUT ANY
CONSULTATION WHATSOEVER.
BUT WHAT THE LEADER OF THE
OPPOSITION IS MISSING,
MR. SPEAKER, I'M NOT TOO SURE
SHE READ "THE GLOBE AND MAIL."
TODAY.
THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IN THE
PROVINCE IS OUR CHILDREN'S MATH
SCORES.
GRADE 6 STUDENTS ARE FAILING
MATH.

[Some Applause]

Ford says GRADE 6 STUDENTS ARE FAILING
MATH.
MR. SPEAKER, WE HAVE SOME OF THE
GREATEST TEACHERS IN THE WORLD
RIGHT HERE IN ONTARIO.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN THE
TOOLS TO EVEN LEARN MATH
THEMSELVES.
ONE-THIRD, ONE-THIRD OF TEACHERS
AT TEACHERS COLLEGE HAVE FAILED
GRADE 6 AND GRADE 7 MATH BECAUSE
THEY'RE ONLY GETTING 36 HOURS OF
TEACHING COMPARED TO TEACHERS IN
QUEBEC...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says MEMBERS WILL TAKE THEIR SEATS.
ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says THE PREMIER'S BACKWARD MOVE
ON SEX ED WILL LIKELY FACE A
HUMAN RIGHTS CHALLENGE.
THIS IS BECAUSE THE PREMIER HAS
PUT THE INTERESTS OF TANYA
GRANIC ALLEN AND OTHERS AHEAD OF
EDUCATION.
WHY HAS THE PREMIER BOWED TO
RADICAL CONSERVATIVES LIKE
CHARLES McBEEDIE AND WHAT
MESSAGE DOES THIS SEND TO LGBT2Q
PLUS KIDS AND THE SCHOOLYARD
BULLIES WHO WANT TO HARASS AND
HURT THEM?

The Speaker says PREMIER.

Ford says THROUGH YOU, MR. SPEAKER,
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LARGEST
CONSULTATION RIGHT ACROSS THIS
PROVINCE.
ALL 124 RIDINGS, WE'RE GOING TO
DO SOMETHING THAT THE NDP DON'T
BELIEVE IN.
WE'RE GOING TO CONSULT WITH
PARENTS, WE'RE GOING TO CONSULT
WITH TEACHERS, WE'RE GOING TO
CONSULT WITH EXPERTS.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS PARENTS'
OPINION AND FROM THERE, THAT'S
WHERE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE
FORWARD.
BUT WHAT'S MORE CONCERNING?
MORE CONCERNING IS THAT WE JUST
WANT TO IGNORE IT.
THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR KIDS
GRADE 6 MATH STUDENTS THAT ARE
FAILING, 50 percent OF THEM ARE
FAILING.
THEY DON'T WORRY ABOUT THOSE
KIDS.
THEY DON'T CARE... THEY DON'T
CARE ABOUT THE TEACHERS.
THEY DON'T WORRY THAT THEY'RE
ONLY GETTING 36 HOURS OF
TEACHING AT TEACHERS COLLEGE.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE TEACHERS
THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO BE BETTER
MATH TEACHERS THAN WHAT THEY
HAVE RIGHT NOW.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says STOP THE
CLOCK.
ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
FINAL SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says SPEAKER, IF THEY HAVE BEEN
RAPED OR BULLIED, MATH WON'T
MATTER VERY MUCH TO THEM, WILL IT?

[Some Applause]

Horwath says AGAIN, AGAIN, THIS PREMIER'S
DIATRIBE IS NOT THE CASE.
IT IS UNCONSCIONABLE.
UNCONSCIONABLE TO ERASE THE
LGBT2Q PLUS KIDS AND THEIR
FAMILIES...

The Speaker says GOVERNMENT
SIDE WILL COME TO ORDER.
GOVERNMENT SIDE WILL COME TO
ORDER.
MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION WILL
COME TO ORDER.

[INTERJECTIONS]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION WILL
COME TO ORDER.
APOLOGIZE TO THE LEADER OF THE
OPPOSITION.

Horwath says ONLINE SAFETY FROM THE
SCHOOL CURRICULUM JUST TO
APPEASE HIS RADICAL CONSERVATIVE
ALLIES.
SEX ED SAVES LIVES.
SEX ED HELPS KEEP KIDS SAFE.
THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF
CHILDREN COMES BEFORE THE WISHES
OF THE PREMIER'S RADICAL FRIENDS
OR... WILL THE PREMIER LISTEN TO
ONTARIO'S PARENTS, TEACHERS,
STUDENTS AND HEALTH CARE
PROFESSIONALS AND SAY "NO" TO
TRANSPHOBIA, AND MAKE SURE THE
KIDS AND FAMILIES AS WELL AS
CONSENT AND ONLINE SAFETY ARE
INCLUDED IN THE SCHOOL
CURRICULUM THIS YEAR?

The Speaker says PREMIER.

Ford says THROUGH YOU, MR. SPEAKER, THE
NDP LEADER, LEADER OF THE
OPPOSITION, SOME OF THE COMMENTS
SHE SAID ARE OUTRAGEOUS AND I'M
GOING TO IGNORE THOSE OUTRAGEOUS
COMMENTS.
WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON WHAT
MATTERS TO PARENT AND WHAT
MATTERS TO PARENTS IS THEIR KIDS
START PASSING MATH.
THAT'S WHAT MATTERS TO PARENTS.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says THE MEMBER
WILL COME TO ORDER.

Ford says WE HAVE THE GREATEST TEACHERS
AROUND BUT ONE-THIRD OF THE
TEACHERS THAT ARE TEACHING OUR
STUDENTS ARE FAILING GRADE 6 AND
GRADE 7 MATH.
HOW CAN YOU TEACH OUR STUDENTS
WHEN ONE-THIRD OF THE TEACHERS
ARE FAILING MATH?
I CAN ASSURE YOU WE WILL GIVE
THEM THE TOOLS, WE WILL GIVE
THEM THE HOURS THEY NEED IN
TEACHERS' COLLEGE TO BE ABLE TO
TEACH OUR KIDS TO MAKE SURE OUR
GRADE 6 STUDENTS ARE AT THE
HIGHEST LEVEL IN THE COUNTRY.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says NEXT QUESTION.
LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION.

Horwath says SPEAKER, MY FINAL QUESTION IS
TO THE PREMIER AS WELL BUT I CAN
ASSURE ALL OF US IN THIS CHAMBER
THAT WE CERTAINLY DO KNOW WHO
AND WHAT IS OUTRAGEOUS AROUND
HERE.
THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND
LONG-TERM CARE MADE SOME VERY
CONFUSING REMARKS...

[Some Applause]

Horwath says THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND
LONG-TERM CARE MADE SOME PRETTY
CONFUSING REMARKS YESTERDAY.
SHE AGREED THAT OVERDOSE
PREVENTION SITES SAVE LIVES BUT
THEN SHE REFUSED TO OPEN NEW
SITES AND EVEN SAID SHE MIGHT
CLOSE DOWN EXISTING SITES.
WHY WOULD THE PREMIER CLOSE DOWN
OVERDOSE PREVENTION SITES IF HIS
MINISTER AGREES THAT THEY SAVE
LIVES, SPEAKER?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
SOCIAL SERVICES... MINISTER OF
CHILDREN AND...

The caption changes to "Honourable Lisa MacLeod. PC. Minister of Children, Community and Social Services."

MacLeod is in her forties, with shoulder-length, curly blond hair. She wears a white shirt and a silver necklace.

She says THANK YOU FOR THE REFERRAL.
THE MINISTER WAS CLEAR
YESTERDAY, MINISTER OF HEALTH,
THAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS
COMMITTED TO FIGHTING THE OPIOID
CRISIS THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO
FESTER FOR TOO LONG IN THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO AND WE ARE
GOING TO GET PEOPLE THAT ARE
STRUGGLING THE HELP THEY NEED.
SHE WAS CLEAR THE MODELS WILL BE
LOOKED AT BUT WE WILL SPEAK AND
CONSULT WITH EXPERTS AND
REVIEWING REPORTS FROM
ORGANIZATIONS TO ENSURE PEOPLE
STRUGGLING WITH AN ADDICTION GET
THE HELP THAT THEY NEED.
THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THAT
SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BY THE WAY,
THERE'S SO MANY OF US HERE, HAVE
BEEN VERY STRONG AND COMMITTED
TO ENSURING THAT WE FIGHT THIS
OPIOID CRISIS AND THAT WE HAVE 3
P .9 BILLION DOLLARS INTO MENTAL
HEALTH, ADDICTIONS AND HOUSING
SUPPORT...
3.9 BILLION DOLLARS.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says MEMBERS WILL
TAKE THEIR SEATS.
START THE CLOCK.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says SPEAKER, YOU DON'T FIGHT AN
OPIOID CRISIS BY CUTTING THE
MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTIONS
FUNDING BY 330 MILLION DOLLARS.
THAT'S NOT HOW YOU FIGHT AN
OPIOID ADDICTION CRISIS.
IN FACT, IT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH
EMERGENCY.
OVERDOSE PREVENTION SITES HAVE
ALREADY BEEN REVIEWED AND
REVIEWED AND REVIEWED.
THE OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS OF
MEDICAL EXPERTS, MEDICAL
EXPERTS...
SAYS THAT THEY SAVE LIVES.
YESTERDAY, THE MINISTER AGREED
THAT THEY SAVE LIVES BUT INSTEAD
OF OPENING MORE SITES AND SAVING
MORE LIVES, SHE WANTS EVEN MORE
REVIEW.
WILL THE PREMIER JUST ADMIT THAT
THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THIS
SO-CALLED REVIEW IS TO FABRICATE
AN EXCUSE TO SHUT DOWN THESE
LIFE-SAVING OVERDOSE PREVENTION
SITES?

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says I'M GOING TO
ASK THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
TO WITHDRAW.

Horwath says I'LL WITHDRAW, SPEAKER.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.
MINISTER.

MacLeod says THANKS VERY MUCH, SPEAKER.
THIS MEMBER OPPOSITE KNOWS
THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON IN THIS
LEGISLATURE IN THE PAST 12 YEARS
THAT'S SPOKEN MORE ABOUT THE
OPIOID CRISIS THAN THIS MEMBER,
THIS MINISTER RIGHT HERE.
AND THAT IS A FACT.

[Some Applause]

MacLeod says THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON... ..
AS MUCH AS THIS MEMBER HAS
RIGHT HERE AND I WILL STAND IN
MY PLACE AND I WILL DEFEND THE
MINISTER OF HEALTH FOR HER
COMPASSIONATE COMMITMENT TO THIS
ISSUE.
WE KNOW AS MEMBERS OF THIS
GOVERNMENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR
EXPERTS, WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
ORGANIZATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE ARE REHABILITATING PEOPLE IN
THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY THAT WE
MOST CERTAINLY CAN.
WE ARE CURRENTLY REVIEWING THE
LATEST DATA.
THEY MAY NOT LIKE THAT BUT
THAT'S THE CASE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT EVIDENCE-BASED
MODELS AND SUPERVISED INJECTION
SITES.
LET ME BE CLEAR, WHEN THAT
MEMBER AND HER PARTY SUGGESTS
WE'RE CUTTING MENTAL HEALTH
MONEY, THEY'RE WRONG, THEY'RE
NOT TELLING THE TRUTH!

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says I ASK THE
MINISTER TO WITHDRAW.
THANK YOU.
THE HOUSE WILL COME TO ORDER.
NEXT QUESTION.
MEMBER FOR SCARBOROUGH CENTRE.

[Some Applause]

The caption changes to "Christina Mitas. PC. Scarborough-Centre."

Mitas is in her thirties, with long straight brown hair. She wears a sleeveless patterned dress.

She says SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS TO
THE STELLAR MINISTER OF
MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING.

[Some Applause]

Mitas says OUR GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE
BELIEVE IN STANDING UP FOR THE
TAXPAYER BY FIXING GOVERNMENT SO
THAT IT WORKS FOR THEM.
UNLIKE THE NDP WHO BELIEVE IN A
SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT THAT WORKS
FOR THEM AND THEIR FRIENDS.
PEOPLE TOLD US THEY WANT A
GOVERNMENT THAT COSTS LESS AND
MAKE QUICK DECISIONS THAT
ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS THEY FACE
IN THEIR DAILY LIVES.
THE PEOPLE OF SCARBOROUGH CENTRE
HAVE FACED TRANSPORTATION ISSUES
FOR YEARS THANKS TO THE
SHENANIGANS OF CITY HALL.
THEY HAVE SEEN THE SCARBOROUGH
SUBWAY REALITY STEP FURTHER AND
FURTHER BACK BUT THE PEOPLE OF
SCARBOROUGH CENTRE CAN FINALLY
REST ASSURED THAT WE'RE BRINGING
THEM THE SCARBOROUGH SUBWAY
EXTENSION.
THIS IS BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND
THAT A FUNDAMENTAL PART OF
DEMOCRACY IS EVERYONE'S VOTE
SHOULD CARRY WAIT.
MINISTER, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW
WE'RE NOT ONLY REDUCING THE SIZE
OF TORONTO COUNCIL BUT MAKING IT
MORE FAIR TO VOTERS ACROSS THE
GTA.

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING.

The caption changes to "Honourable Steve Clark. PC. Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing."

Clark is in his fifties, clean-shaven and bald. He wears rounded glasses, a gray suit, blue shirt and blue tie.

He says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
AND I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBER
FOR SCARBOROUGH CENTRE FOR THE
QUESTION AND THE KIND WORDS AS
WELL.
THE PROBLEM WITH BIG GOVERNMENT
IS THAT IT ONLY WORKS FOR THE
POLITICIANS.
THE 47-WARD SYSTEM THE NDP
DEFENDS IS WRONG, SPEAKER.
IT IT COSTS MORE AND IT CREATES
MORE DYSFUNCTION.
BUT IT ALSO ISN'T FAIR BECAUSE
LARGE VARIANCES IN WARD
POPULATION MEANT OVER 1 MILLION DOLLARS TORONTONIANS VOTE WITH TAX FOR
LESS.

The Speaker says MEMBERS COME
TO ORDER.

Clark says SUCH VARIANCES DO NOT MEET
THE CONDITIONS OF EFFECTIVE
REPRESENTATION.
SPEAKER, MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE
AND ALL TORONTO RESIDENTS THE
EFFECTIVE REPRESENTATION THEY
DESERVE BY SUPPORTING BILL 5.
I AGAIN CALL ON THE OPPOSITION
TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE DOING,
IT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY OF
TORONTO.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Mitas says THANK YOU, MINISTER.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE
OPPOSITION PUT THE PEOPLE AHEAD
OF POLITICIANS FOR ONCE, BUT
BASED ON THEIR BEHAVIOUR AND
QUESTIONS, I THINK I'M GOING TO
BE DISAPPOINTED FOR THE NEXT
FOUR YEARS.
TO ENSURE TORONTO HAS A FAIR
ELECTION ON OCTOBER 22nd, ALL
THEY HAVE TO DO IS SUPPORT OUR
LEGISLATION.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING MORE
ANTI-DEMOCRATIC THAN REFUSING TO
FIX A SYSTEM THAT IS SO
OBVIOUSLY IMBALANCED.
IF WE DO NOT ACT NOW, NOT ONLY
WILL ONE MILLION VOTES COUNT
LESS, BUT THEIR VOICES WILL
CARRY LESS WEIGHT ON EVERY
COUNCIL DECISION MADE FROM THERE
ON IN.
CAN THE MINISTER EXPLAIN WHY IT
IS SO IMPERATIVE THAT BILL 5
PASS IN TIME FOR THE UPCOMING
ELECTION?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Clark says MR. SPEAKER, I THANK THE
MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION.
UNLIKE THE OPPOSITION, WE REFUSE
TO LET DEMOCRACY TAKE A BACK
SEAT TO KEEP A BUNCH OF
INCUMBENT COUNCILLORS ON THE
PAYROLL.
WE CAN CREATE VOTER PARITY NOW,
NOT EIGHT OR TWELVE OR 16 YEARS
OR MORE DOWN THE ROAD.
WE CAN ADOPT THOSE 25 BOUNDARIES
THAT TORONTO USES FOR FEDERAL
AND PROVINCIAL ELECTIONS.
AND A MEMBER WHO HEARD THE
BOUNDARY REVIEW APPEAL SAID
THIS, AND I QUOTE, THIS MODEL
WOULD RESULT IN A FAIR ELECTION
IN 2018 AND PROVIDE THE BASIS OF
FUTURE ELECTIONS THAT ARE FAIR.
WE KNOW VERY SOON, SPEAKER,
WHERE THE NDP WILL LAND ON THIS.
WILL THEY STAND UP FOR A FAIR
ELECTION AND EFFECTIVE
REPRESENTATION OR ARE THEY GOING
TO STAND WITH THEIR POLITICAL
FRIENDS IN THE NDP?

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says MEMBERS WILL
PLEASE TAKE THEIR SEATS.
ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
MEMBER FOR DAVENPORT.

The caption changes to "Marit Stiles. NDP. Davenport."

Stiles is in her forties, with feathered blond hair in a bob. She wears a pale green blazer over a spotted white dress.

She says MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS
FOR THE PREMIER.
OUTSIDE THIS BUILDING TODAY,
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE ARE MARCHING WITH THE
ELEMENTARY TEACHERS FEDERATION
OF ONTARIO REPRESENTING 83,000
TEACHERS FROM ACROSS ONTARIO.
THESE ARE EDUCATORS, HEALTH
EXPERTS, HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATES,
AND MANY OF THEM PARENTS AND
GRAND PARENTS THEMSELVES.
THEY'RE CALLING ON THIS
GOVERNMENT TO ACT IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF ONTARIO STUDENTS
AND KEEP THE MODERNIZED SEXUAL
EDUCATION CURRICULUM.
THEY HAVE SEEN FIRSTHAND HOW
CRUCIAL IT IS TO KEEPING
STUDENTS SAFE AND HELPING THEM
LEARN AND AS OUR LEADER SAID, IF
YOU'RE BEING BULLIED OR
HARASSED, YOU'RE NOT THINKING
ABOUT MATH IN THE CLASSROOM.
MR. SPEAKER, WILL THE PREMIER
LISTEN TO REASON AND KEEP THE
MODERNIZED CURRICULUM IN CLASSES
THROUGHOUT THE CONSULTATION THIS
SEPTEMBER, "YES" OR "NO"?

The Speaker says PREMIER.

Ford says MINISTER OF EDUCATION.

The Speaker says MINISTER OF EDUCATION.

The caption changes to "Honourable Lisa M. Thompson. PC. Minister of Education."

Thompson is in her forties, with chin-length wavy blond hair. She wears a gray coat over a printed blue blouse.

She says THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PREMIER,
AND SPEAKER, THROUGH YOU TO THE
MEMBER OPPOSITE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHARE WITH
YOU THAT WE ARE LISTENING TO
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
PARENTS ACROSS THIS PROVINCE.
AND WE HAVE MADE IT VERY CLEAR
THAT WE'RE GOING TO RESPECT
THEIR RIGHT TO BE HEARD.
AND I AM SO LOOKING FORWARD TO
KICKING OFF THIS COMPREHENSIVE
CONSULTATION THAT WILL ALLOW
EVERY PERSON WHO WANTS TO HAVE
THEIR VOICE HEARD TO HAVE AN
OPEN DOOR TO OUR MINISTRY TO
HELP SHAPE THE MANNER IN WHICH
WE GO FORWARD WITH THE HEALTH
AND PHYSICAL EDUCATION
CURRICULUM.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU IN TANDEM
WITH THIS AS TEACHERS GO BACK TO
THE CLASSROOM, I HAVE EVERY
CONFIDENCE IN THEIR ABILITY AS
THEY WORK THROUGH THEIR
CLASSROOM AND GET TO KNOW THEIR
STUDENTS AND USE THE CURRICULUM
THAT WAS LAST USED IN 2014.
I BELIEVE IN OUR TEACHERS IN
ONTARIO.
AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL DO A
GREAT JOB UTILIZING THE
CURRICULUM THAT WAS LAST USED IN
2014.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says STOP THE
CLOCK.
RESTART THE CLOCK.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Stiles says MR. SPEAKER, IT IS SHOCKING
TO HEAR THE MINISTER RESPOND
LIKE THAT.
AS IF NOTHING IS HAPPENING OUT
THERE.
IN WHAT, TWO WEEKS, STUDENTS ARE
BACK IN THE CLASSROOM, TEACHERS
DON'T EVEN ACTUALLY HAVE A CLEAR
DIRECTIVE TO THE BOARD FROM THIS
GOVERNMENT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE
SUPPOSED TO BE TEACHING AND YOU
KNOW WHAT, WE ARE NOT THAT
STUPID AS PEOPLE OF THIS
PROVINCE.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE 2014
CURRICULUM IS ACTUALLY THE 1998
CURRICULUM WHICH WAS CREATED
BEFORE THE STUDENTS THAT ARE IN
CLASSROOMS RIGHT NOW WERE EVEN
BORN.
WHAT DOES...

[Some Applause]

Stiles says WHAT DOES THE PREMIER... THE
PREMIER, WHAT DOES THE PREMIER
HAVE TO SAY TO THE TEACHERS OF
ONTARIO WHO, UNLIKE HIMSELF,
REFUSE TO COMPROMISE THE SAFETY
AND WELL-BEING OF ONTARIO
STUDENTS AND WHO WILL CONTINUE
TO TEACH THE MODERNIZED 2015
CURRICULUM COME LABOUR DAY?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Thompson says THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SPEAKER.
AND I HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU AND
REMIND THE OPPOSITION PARTY THAT
SO MANY PEOPLE ARE LINING UP IN
SUPPORT OF US.
FOR INSTANCE, YESTERDAY, I
SHARED THAT THE FORMER LIBERAL
HOUSE LEADER THINKS THAT THE
LIBERALS GOT IT WRONG, AND WE
ALL KNOW WHERE THE FORMER DEPUTY
LEADER STANDS ON THIS AS WELL.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SHARE WITH
YOU THAT IN THE... AN ACTUAL
TEACHER SAID...

[INTERJECTIONS]

The Speaker says PREMIER WILL
PLEASE COME TO ORDER.
MEMBER FOR WATERLOO WILL PLEASE
COME TO ORDER.
WE'RE IN QUESTION PERIOD.
EVERYBODY HAS A CHANCE TO RAISE
QUESTIONS.
MINISTER OF EDUCATION CONTINUES.

Thompson says PEOPLE ARE LINING UP IN
SUPPORT, FOR INSTANCE THERE WAS
A LETTER TO THE EDITOR IN THE
PICKERING NEWS FROM THE TEACHER
THAT SAID THE NOTION OF CONSENT
REFUSAL IS NOT AN INNOVATION OF
THE WYNNE GOVERNMENT OR THE
McGUINTY GOVERNMENT.
SPEAKER, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT
PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE
MEAN...

[INTERJECTIONS]

The Speaker says THE PREMIER
WILL COME TO ORDER.

Thompson says AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS
ON SUPPORTING OUR TEACHERS,
GIVING THEM THE TOOLS AND
ENSURING THAT WE DO FOCUS AS
WELL ON THE NEEDS SUCH AS...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says STOP THE CLOCK.
MEMBERS WILL PLEASE TAKE THEIR
SEATS.
START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
MEMBER FOR DURHAM.

[Some Applause]

The caption changes to "Lindsey Park. PC. Durham."

Park is in her twenties, with long straight blond hair. She wears a white blazer.

She says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE MINISTER
OF TOURISM CULTURE AND SPORT.
YESTERDAY, THE MINISTER TOLD US
ABOUT OUR GOVERNMENT HOUSE
LEADER'S OFFER TO MAKE A HOME
FOR THE CITY OF VICTORIA'S
STATUE OF SIR JOHN A.
MacDONALD.

[Some Applause]

Park says THIS WAS AFTER VICTORIA DECIDED
TO TEAR IT DOWN AND ATTEMPT TO
ERASE OUR HISTORY.
WHILE THE CITY REFUSED THE
OFFER, I'M GLAD TO SEE OUR
GOVERNMENT TAKING STEPS TO
PRESERVE THE MONUMENT OF THOSE
WHO HAD A HAND IN BUILDING OUR
COUNTRY.

[Some Applause]

Park says CAN THE MINISTER TELL US THE
GOVERNMENT'S PLAN TO ENSURE THAT
ONTARIANS ARE TAUGHT ABOUT THE
HISTORY OF OUR GREAT PROVINCE
AND COUNTRY?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
TOURISM CULTURE AND SPORT.

The caption changes to "Honourable Sylvia Jones. PC. Minister of Tourism, Culture and Sport."

Jones is in her sixties, with wavy blond hair to her shoulders. She wears glasses, and a printed black and blue shirt.

She says THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER FOR
DURHAM FOR THIS IMPORTANT
QUESTION.
AS I OUTLINED YESTERDAY, HISTORY
IS COMPLICATED.
THERE ARE HISTORICAL FIGURES WHO
SERVED IN THIS HOUSE FROM ACROSS
THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM WHO
FRANKLY THEIR VIEWS WOULD NOT BE
VIEWED VERY APPRECIATIVELY NOW.
WE CANNOT LET EXTREME POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS DICTATE WHAT PEOPLE
CAN LEARN AND SEE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES.
USING THAT LOGIC, THERE WOULD
NOT BE A MUSEUM OPEN IN THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO TODAY.
OUR GOVERNMENT PROVIDES SUPPORT
AND PROGRAM FUNDING TO TEACH THE
UNIQUE AND COMPLEX HISTORY THAT
HAS SHAPED THIS COUNTRY AND
PROVINCE WE KNOW.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN
DO TO ENSURE THAT FUTURE
GENERATIONS LEARN ABOUT THE
CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY OUR
HISTORICAL FIGURES THROUGHOUT
CANADA'S HISTORY, FLAWS AND ALL,
IS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND AND LEARN FROM THEM.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Park says THANK YOU, THROUGH YOU,
MR. SPEAKER, TO THE MINISTER FOR
THAT ANSWER.
I AGREE THAT WHILE MANY OF OUR
HISTORICAL FIGURES WERE NOT
PERFECT, WE MUST EXAMINE THEM
THROUGH A LENS THAT RECOGNIZES
THEY LIVED IN VASTLY DIFFERENT
TIMES.
SIR JOHN A. MacDONALD IS AN
IMPORTANT HISTORICAL FIGURE.
HE WAS ALSO THE FOUNDING FATHER
OF OUR COUNTRY.
INSTEAD OF CONDEMNING HIS STATUE
TO COLLECT DUST IN STORAGE,
PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO LEARN
ABOUT HIS LIFE AND CONTRIBUTIONS
TO CANADA AND ONTARIO.

The Speaker says OPPOSITION
WILL COME TO ORDER.

Park says WHAT IS OUR GOVERNMENT DOING
TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN
LEARN ABOUT THE WAYS OF
ONTARIO'S HISTORY?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Jones says THANK YOU AGAIN FROM THE
MEMBER FROM DURHAM.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS SEVERAL
INITIATIVES THAT ALLOW FOR
ONTARIANS TO LEARN ABOUT FIGURES
LIKE SIR JOHN A. MacDONALD.
JOHN GRAVE SIMCOE AND JOSEPH
BRANT ALONG WITH MANY OTHER
IMPORTANT HISTORICAL FIGURES.
OUR MINISTRY OVERSEES THE
CURATION AND PRESERVATION OF
STATUES AND MONUMENTS THROUGHOUT
CANADA AND A FUTURE MONUMENT
HONOURING VETERANS OF THE WAR IN
AFGHANISTAN ANNOUNCED BY PREMIER
FORD IN JUNE.

[APPLAUSE]

Jones says OUR MINISTRY ALSO OPERATES
INTERPRETIVE AND HISTORIC SITES
LIKE THROUGHOUT ONTARIO LIKE
St. MARIE AMONG THE HURONS IN
MIDLAND AND PORT HENRY, IN
KINGSTON, AND SUPPORTING MUSEUMS
LIKE THE ROM DOWN THE STREET.
WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANT ROLE
HISTORY PLAYS AND THE SITES AND
STATUES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO OUR
HISTORY, AS IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
WE UNDERSTAND THE HISTORIC AND
COMPLEX PART OF WHAT...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
THE HOUSE WILL COME TO ORDER.
STOP THE CLOCK.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION, THE MEMBER FOR Kiiwetinoong.

The caption changes to "Sol Mamakwa. NDP. Kiiwetinoong."

Mamakwa is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short black hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and burgundy tie.

He says THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE PREMIER.
LAST WEEK I ASKED MINISTER OF
INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS ABOUT HIS
GOVERNMENT, WHAT HIS GOVERNMENT
WAS DOING TO CLEAN UP THE GRASSY
NARROWS AND ALSO THE... FIRST
NATION ABOUT THE MERCURY
CONTAMINATION IN THE RIVER
SYSTEM.
ONE OF THE THINGS HE SAID WAS
THAT HE MET WITH OFFICIALS IN
HIS MINISTRY ABOUT THIS
IMPORTANT ISSUE.
WHAT WILL THE MINISTER... WILL
THE MINISTER PROVIDE THE DETAILS
OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE
SENIOR STAFF IN THOSE BRIEFINGS?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ENVIRONMENT CONSERVATION AND PARKS.

The caption changes to "Honourable Rod Phillips. PC. Minister of the Environment, Conservation and Parks."

Phillips is in his early fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears a gray suit, blue shirt and blue tie.

He says THROUGH YOU, MR. SPEAKER,
THANKS TO THE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION.
WE WILL OF COURSE I'M NOT THE
MINISTER SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO
REPORT SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE
CONVERSATIONS BUT AS YOU WOULD
KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT IS
COMMITTED TO THE CLEAN-UP OF THE
AREA.
THERE'S BEEN AN 85 MILLION DOLLAR...

[Some Applause]

Phillips says THE LEAKAGE FROM THE DRYDEN
PLANT WHICH GOES BACK MANY, MANY
YEARS, AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT
ON-GOING LEAKAGE ARE SUBJECT TO
WHAT MY MINISTRY, MINISTRY OF
ENVIRONMENT IS LOOKING AT
CURRENTLY.
85 MILLION DOLLARS HAS BEEN SET ASIDE IN
A TRUST.
THAT IS IN DISCUSSION NOW WITH
THE TRIPARTITE GROUP INCLUDING
BOTH FIRST NATIONS IN TERMS OF
THE BEST APPLICATION OF THAT AND
I'LL BE PLEASED TO CONTINUE TO
REPORTING TO THE HOUSE AND THE
MEMBER ABOUT THE PROGRESS IN
THAT REGARD.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Mamakwa says AGAIN, THAT QUESTION TO THE
PREMIER.
I ASK, SPEAKER, BECAUSE CHIEF
RUDY TURTLE FROM GRASSY NARROWS
INDICATED TO ME THAT THERE HAS
BEEN NO OUTREACH WHATSOEVER
SINCE THE ELECTION OF THIS
GOVERNMENT.
YET YESTERDAY, WE LEARNED ABOUT
THIS GOVERNMENT FIRED OFF AN
EMAIL... A LETTER TO CITY OF
VICTORIA COUNCIL OFFERING TO
TAKE THE STATUE OF SIR JOHN A.
MacDONALD OFF THE CITY'S
HANDS, AND VERY SHORT WORK AFTER
THAT, THE CITY DECIDED TO TAKE
DOWN THE STATUE.
THIS GOVERNMENT WAS QUICK TO ACT
FOR THE STATUE FROM B.C., BUT SO
FAR HASN'T DEMONSTRATED A
COMMITMENT TO RECONCILIATION
WITH OUR PEOPLE, FIRST NATIONS
PEOPLE, HERE IN ONTARIO.
MY QUESTION, MR. SPEAKER, IS IN
TODAY'S ERA OF RECONCILIATION,
WHICH FIRST NATION LEADER DID
THIS GOVERNMENT CONSULT WITH
ABOUT THIS MATTER THAT WILL
AFFECT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
PEOPLES BEFORE ACTING QUICKLY ON
BEHALF OF THE STATUE?

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says MEMBERS WILL
PLEASE TAKE THEIR SEATS.
MEMBERS WILL PLEASE TAKE THEIR
SEATS.
PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS.
RESPONSE.

Phillips says MR. SPEAKER, THROUGH YOU TO
THE MEMBER, AS I MENTIONED AND
AS I'M SURE HE KNOWS, THE
ENGLISH REMEDIATION TRUST WHICH
WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2018 WITH
85 MILLION DOLLARS IS A TRIPARTITE
DISCUSSION.
YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT IN TERMS
OF A REACH OUT, AND WE WILL
OBVIOUSLY BE WORKING BOTH AT MY
LEVEL BUT PROBABLY MORE
IMPORTANTLY AT THE OFFICIAL'S
LEVEL IN TERMS OF CONVERSATIONS
WITH THE GROUP INVOLVED.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT LONG-STANDING
ISSUE AND YOU HAVE THE
COMMITMENT OF THE GOVERNMENT
THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH
THE FIRST NATIONS INVOLVED.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
THE NEXT QUESTION, MEMBER FOR GUELPH.

The caption changes to "Mike Schreiner. Green. Guelph."

Schreiner is in his late forties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and green tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE PREMIER.
FROM RIPPING UP BUSINESS
CONTRACTS TO FORCING A HUMAN
RIGHTS TRIBUNAL COMPLAINT BY
THROWING OUT THE MODERN SEX ED
CURRICULUM, TO A HOPELESS
LAWSUIT AGAINST THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT PLAN TO MAKE
POLLUTERS PAY, THE PREMIER SEEMS
TO BE RUNNING AN EMPLOYMENT
AGENCY FOR LAWYERS.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE PREMIER
WILL SPEND MORE MONEY SUING THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN THE NEXT
FEW MONTHS THAN HE SUPPOSEDLY
WILL SAVE OVER THE NEXT FOUR
YEARS BY UNDERMINING LOCAL
DEMOCRACY IN TORONTO.
THROUGH YOU, MR. SPEAKER, TO THE
PREMIER: WHY IS THE PREMIER
WASTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON
LAWYERS INSTEAD OF SPENDING IT
ON SERVICES THAT BENEFIT THE
PEOPLE?

The Speaker says PREMIER.
MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

Phillips says MR. SPEAKER, THROUGH YOU TO
THE MEMBER, AND I KNOW HE HAS A
DEEP, DEEP INTEREST AND
UNDERSTANDING IN THIS ISSUE.
MR. SPEAKER, AS WE'VE SAID
BEFORE IN THIS HOUSE, WE GOT A
VERY CLEAR MANDATE.
PEOPLE WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THE
CAP AND TRADE SYSTEM.
THEY'RE VERY CLEAR AS WELL ABOUT
THE CARBON TAX AND WHAT THE
CARBON TAX WILL MEAN TO ONTARIO
FAMILIES.
GETTING RID OF CAP AND TRADE
WILL MEAN 260 PER FAMILY PER
YEAR.

[Some Applause]

Phillips says REDUCING GAS PRICES BY TEN CENTS
WHICH IS PART OF THAT PROGRAM
WILL MEAN 14,000 JOBS FOR
ONTARIO.
THESE ARE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT
ONTARIO FAMILIES AND ONTARIANS
CARE ABOUT.
SO WE REPEAT, WE WILL TAKE ALL
OF THE STEPS NECESSARY,
INCLUDING USING THE COURTS TO
DEFEND ONTARIO'S INTERESTS AND
DEFEND ONTARIO FAMILIES AND JOBS
AND PUT MONEY BACK IN THE
POCKETS OF ONTARIANS.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Schreiner says MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT WASTING MONEY ON LAWYERS,
NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT CARBON TAXES.
BUT IF THE MINISTER WANTS TO
TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, THEN
I THINK THE MINISTER OWES THE
PEOPLE OF ONTARIO AN EXPLANATION
OF WHY THEY ARE SPENDING
30 MILLION DOLLARS TO FIGHT CLIMATE
ACTION AT A TIME WHEN WE'VE
SPENT 696 MILLION DOLLARS IN INSURABLE
LOSSES DUE TO EXTREME WEATHER
EVENTS IN THE FIRST HALF OF THIS
YEAR ALONE?
CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURE'S TAX
ON EVERYTHING.
EVEN INSURANCE BROKERS
UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO I ASK AGAIN THROUGH YOU,
SPEAKER, TO THE MINISTER: WHY
IS THE GOVERNMENT OPPOSITE
CHOOSING TO SPEND MONEY ON
LAWYERS INSTEAD OF SOLUTIONS FOR
THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Phillips says MR. SPEAKER, THROUGH YOU TO
THE MEMBER, AND AGAIN, I
RECOGNIZE HIS INTEREST AND
PASSION ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
BUT WE'RE PASSIONATE AS WELL
ABOUT NOT JUST THE ENVIRONMENT
BUT THE ECONOMY.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE
ENVIRONMENT, THIS GOVERNMENT
WILL DO WHAT'S NECESSARY, A PLAN
THAT WORKS, NOT A PLAN THAT
SOUNDS GOOD.
A PLAN THAT WILL ACTUALLY MAKE A
DIFFERENCE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT,
IMPROVE CONSERVATION, IMPROVE
THE ENVIRONMENT, IMPROVE AIR
QUALITY.
WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING
TAXPAYERS AND IT COMES TO
PROTECTING ONTARIANS' POCKET
BOOKS, WE'LL DO THAT AS WELL AND
WE'LL TAKE WHATEVER STEPS ARE
REQUIRED INCLUDING THE COURTS.
WE WILL NOT SEE THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT OVERSTEP ITS BOUNDS
AND TAX ONTARIANS UNFAIRLY.
WE WILL DO WHAT IT TAKES TO STOP
A CARBON TAX IN ONTARIO.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says MEMBERS WILL
TAKE THEIR SEATS.
NEXT QUESTION.
START THE CLOCK.
MEMBER FOR BURLINGTON.

[Some Applause]

The caption changes to "Jane McKenna. PC. Burlington."

McKenna is in her forties, with short chestnut hair. She wears a red dress.

She says MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION'S TO
THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
MINISTER, YESTERDAY, YOU AND THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL ANNOUNCED THE
GOVERNMENT'S PLAN TO PREPARE
ONTARIO FOR CANNABIS LEGISLATION
IN OCTOBER.
I WAS PLEASED TO SEE OUR
GOVERNMENT IS MAKING THE SAFETY
OF OUR CHILDREN AND YOUTH OUR
TOP PRIORITY.
THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT WE
MUST HAVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF
OUR ONTARIO CHILDREN AND YOUTH
TOP OF MANIPULATED.
MIND.
AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO
AGREES.
YESTERDAY, THE ONTARIO CHAMBER
OF COMMERCE RELEASED A STATEMENT
SUPPORTING THE GOVERNMENT
COMMITMENT TO DEVELOP A PRIVATE
RETAIL MODEL.
THE CHAMBER SAID THAT THEY, AND
I QUOTE, WOULD LIKE TO STRESS
THAT SAFETY AND SOCIAL
RESPONSIBILITY MUST BE THE FIRST
AND OVERWHELMING PRIORITIES OF
ANY DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM,
UNQUOTE.
MINISTER, I WHOLE HEARTEDLY
AGREE.
MINISTER, COULD YOU PLEASE
EXPLAIN TO THIS HOUSE HOW
YESTERDAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT ON
CANNABIS RETAIL AND DISTRIBUTION
WILL ENSURE THE SAFETY OF
ONTARIO'S CHILDREN AND USE?

The caption changes to "Honourable Victor Fedeli. Minister of Finance."

Fedeli is in his fifties, with short white hair and glasses. He wears a gray suit, white shirt and yellow tie, with a golden pin on his left lapel.

He says THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER FROM
BURLINGTON FOR THE QUESTION.
THE MEMBER IS RIGHT, SPEAKER, IT
WAS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO
DEVELOP A RETAIL AND
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM THAT
PROTECTS YOUTH AND COMBATS THE
ILLEGAL MARKETS.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE
PROPOSING.
ON OCTOBER 17th, THE ONTARIO
CANNABIS STORE RETAIL WEBSITE
WILL PROVIDE A SAFE, SECURE AND
RELIABLE OUTLET FOR CONSUMERS
AGED 19 AND OVER TO PURCHASE
CANNABIS.
A VERIFICATION SYSTEM WILL
ENSURE THAT NOBODY UNDER THE AGE
OF 19 WILL BE ABLE TO PURCHASE
CANNABIS.
AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE
BEGINNING CONSULTATIONS WITH
STAKEHOLDERS ACROSS THE PROVINCE
TO DETERMINE THE BEST AND THE
SAFEST WAY TO PROCEED WITH THE
PRIVATIZED RETAIL SYSTEM.
SPEAKER, WE WILL CONSULT WITH
MUNICIPALITIES, INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITIES, LAW ENFORCEMENT,
PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS, AND
BUSINESS TO DETERMINE THE BEST
PATH FORWARD.
AGAIN, OUR RETAIL...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

McKenna says THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL
RESPONSE, MINISTER.
AS I'M SURE ALL MEMBERS WILL
AGREE, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE
REQUIREMENTS TO LEGALIZE
CANNABIS IS MET SAFELY AND
RESPONSIBLY.
I AM HAPPY TO HEAR THIS IS
EXACTLY WHAT WE WILL BE DOING.
ALTHOUGH I AM CONFIDENT OUR
APPROACH WILL NOT TOLERATE
ANYBODY SHARING, SELLING OR
PROVIDING CANNABIS TO CHILDREN,
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT PLAYERS IN
THIS ILLEGAL MARKET CONTINUING
TO TARGET OUR CHILDREN AND
YOUTH.
MINISTER, CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE
MORE INFORMATION ON HOW THE
GOVERNMENT'S PLAN WILL COMBAT
THE ILLEGAL MARKET?
THANK YOU.

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Fedeli says THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE
QUESTION.
AS I SAID EARLIER, PROTECTING
OUR YOUTH AND COMBATTING ILLEGAL
MARKETS ARE OUR TOP CONCERN.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO LEGAL WAY
TO ACCESS RECREATIONAL CANNABIS
ANYWHERE IN CANADA.
THE ILLEGAL MARKET, SPEAKER, IS
DRIVEN BY A SMALL NUMBER OF
USERS.
ONTARIO GOVERNMENT RESEARCH HAS
PREVIOUSLY FOUND THAT 70 percent OF
THOSE USERS PREFER A PRIVATE
RETAIL MODEL FOR CANNABIS
DISTRIBUTION.
WITH THIS IN MIND, THE PRIVATE
RETAIL MODEL THEN IS THE BEST
WAY TO DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY FROM
THE ILLEGAL MARKET BY CONSULTING
WITH MUNICIPALITIES, INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITIES, LAW ENFORCEMENT,
PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS,
BUSINESSES, WE WILL DEVELOP A
PLAN FOR THE PRIVATE RETAIL OF
CANNABIS WHICH WILL MAKE THE
ILLEGAL CANNABIS MARKET
UNSUSTAINABLE.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, NOBODY UNDER
THE AGE OF 19 WILL HAVE ACCESS.

The Speaker says NEXT QUESTION,
THE MEMBER FOR BRAMPTON NORTH.

The caption changes to "Kevin Yarde. NDP. Brampton North."

Yarde is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short-cropped dark hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and striped pink tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE PREMIER.
LAST WEEK, I INTRODUCED A MOTION
THAT WOULD BAN CARDING ONCE AND
FOR ALL IN THE PROVINCE.
THE MINISTER OF COMMUNITY
SAFETY'S REPLY WAS TO SAY WE
WILL NOT BE BRINGING BACK
CARDING.
OF COURSE YOU CAN'T BRING BACK
WHAT NEVER WENT AWAY.
CARDING OR STREET CHECKS WAS
REGULATED BUT NOT BANNED.

[Voice of Translator]

Yarde says COULD THE PREMIER GUARANTEE THAT
HE WILL ELIMINATE SPEED
CONTROL... SPEED CHECKS?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
COMMUNITY SAFETY CORRECTIONAL SERVICES.

The caption changes to "Honourable Michael A. Tibollo. Minister of Community Safety and Correctional Services."

Tibollo is in his late fifties, clean-shaven and balding. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and green tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, AND
THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
AS WE STATED IN THE PAST, PUBLIC
SAFETY IS OF UTMOST CONCERN TO
ALL OF US IN THE PROVINCE AND
ESPECIALLY IN THIS GOVERNMENT.
THE PREMIER HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR
ON THIS MATTER AND THAT WE'RE
NOT BRINGING BACK CARDING.
I BELIEVE IN GIVING OUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THE TOOLS
TO GET THE JOB DONE AND WITH THE
ANNOUNCEMENT LAST WEEK OF THE
25 MILLION DOLLARS, I THINK WE ARE
MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
I'LL LISTEN TO OUR FRONT LINE
OFFICERS ABOUT THE RESOURCES
THEY NEED AND I WILL MAKE SURE
THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH
COMMUNITIES TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE
BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN OUR
POLICE AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT
THEY SERVE.
MR. SPEAKER, OUR GOVERNMENT
CONTINUES TO BE FOR THE PEOPLE
AND COMMITTED TO ENHANCING AND
ENSURING THAT PUBLIC SAFETY FOR
ALL ONTARIANS IS OF UTMOST
CONCERN.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Yarde says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION BUT I'LL
SAY IT IN ENGLISH THIS TIME.
THIS ONE IS A TWO-PART QUESTION.

[INTERJECTIONS]

Yarde says WILL THE PREMIER PLEASE TELL
THIS HOUSE WHAT IS THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARDING AND
STREET... THAT'S THE FIRST PART.
THE SECOND PART, WILL HE BAN THE
USE OF CARDING AND STREET CHECKS
AS WELL AS COMMIT TODAY TO ORDER
THE DESTRUCTION OF RECORDS
OBTAINED THROUGH STREET CHECKS
AND CARDING?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Tibollo says AGAIN, MR. SPEAKER, OUR
MESSAGE HAS BEEN CLEAR.
WE'RE NOT BRINGING BACK CARDING.
PUBLIC SAFETY IS OF UTMOST
IMPORTANCE TO US AND WE'LL
CONTINUE WORKING TO ENSURE OUR
FRONTLINE OFFICERS HAVE THE
TOOLS AND RESOURCES THEY NEED,
THAT THEY SO DESPERATELY NEED TO
DO THEIR JOBS.
OUR GOVERNMENT HAS KEPT ITS
PROMISE BY TAKING THE VITAL
FIRST STEPS TOWARDS TACKLING THE
PROBLEM OF GUN AND GANG VIOLENCE
IN THE CITY OF TORONTO.
WE'LL CONTINUE MEETING WITH OUR
COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND PUBLIC
SAFETY PEOPLE IN THE COMING
WEEKS TO IDENTIFY WHAT OTHER
STEPS WE HAVE TO TAKE.
THE PROGRAM INITIATIVES AND
STRATEGIES WILL BE ANNOUNCED SO
THAT WE CAN ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY
THROUGHOUT THIS GREAT PROVINCE.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION, THE MEMBER FOR
MISSISSAUGA CENTRE.

The caption changes to "Natalia Kusendova. PC. Mississauga Centre."

Kusendova is in her thirties, with long straight brown hair. She wears a black jacket over a black shirt.

She speaks French and a translator says
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL,
YESTERDAY, THE MINISTER OF
FINANCE AND OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL
SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE
COMPLICATIONS TO GIVE MORE
INFORMATION TO THE GOVERNMENT
REGARDING CANNABIS SELLING IN
ONTARIO.
I KNOW THAT MUNICIPALITIES AND
LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS
ABORIGINAL COMMUNITIES WILL TAKE
PART IN THESE CONVERSATIONS.
I AM HAPPY TO LEARN THAT THE
GOVERNMENT WILL CONSULT THEM.
MR. SPEAKER, I WAS ALSO VERY
PLEASED TO HEAR THAT THESE
CONSULTATIONS WILL BE AXED ON
OUR CHILDREN AND YOUTH SAFETY
AND THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL TO TELL US MORE
HOW WE WILL ENSURE THE CHILDREN
AND YOUTH SAFETY.

The caption changes to "Honourable Caroline Mulroney. Attorney General."

Mulroney is in her mid-forties, with long wavy brown hair. She wears a gray blazer over a blue dress.

She speaks in French and a translator says
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MEMBER
FOR HER QUESTION.
FIRST OF ALL, THE MEMBER IS
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, OUR FIRST
PRIORITY IN LEGALIZING CANNABIS
ON OCTOBER 17th IS TO ENSURE
OUR CHILDREN'S SAFETY.
WE HAVE A FEW MEASURES THAT WE
WILL PUT IN PLACE TO THIS
EFFECT.
TO BUY OR USE CANNABIS,
ONTARIANS WILL NEED TO BE 19
YEARS OR OLDER.
THERE WILL BE PREVENTION
PROGRAMS THAT WILL BE PUT IN
PLACE FOR OUR YOUTH.
IN STORES, PRODUCTS WILL BE SOLD
AT THE COUNTER AND WILL NOT BE
VISIBLE.
SPONSORING WILL ALSO BE BANNED.
LET ME BE CLEAR, MR. SPEAKER,
OUR GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER
TOLERATE ANYONE OFFERING OR
SELLING CANNABIS TO PEOPLE UNDER
19 YEARS OLD IN ANY WAY.

[Some Applause]

Kusendova speaks French and a translator says
THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR HER ANSWER.
MR. SPEAKER, I KNOW THAT SEVERAL
PARENTS IN MY CONSTITUENCY IN
MISSISSAUGA CENTRE AND ALL OVER
ONTARIO WILL BE HAPPY TO LEARN
THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING
THEIR CHILDREN'S SAFETY
SERIOUSLY.
THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THIS FILE
HAS TO BE TREATED RESPONSIBLY,
AND I KNOW THAT OUR GOVERNMENT
IS WORKING HARD TO MAKE SURE
THAT ONTARIO IS READY FOR
LEGALIZING AND THE USE OF
CANNABIS FOR RECREATIONAL USE.
MR. SPEAKER, I ALSO KNOW THAT
SEVERAL PEOPLE ARE WONDERING
ABOUT THE IMPACT OF LEGALIZING
CANNABIS REGARDING ROAD SAFETY.
COULD THE MINISTER TELL US WHAT
THE GOVERNMENT WILL DO IN ORDER
TO FIGHT DRIVING UNDER THE
INFLUENCE OF MARIJUANA?

A translator says THE MINISTER.

Mulroney speaks French and a translator says
THANK YOU.
IN ONTARIO, WE'VE PUT IN PLACE
LAWS THAT ARE EVEN MORE STRICT
REGARDING DRIVING UNDER THE
INFLUENCE OF CANNABIS.
THERE WILL BE TOLERANCE... A
ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY WITH
DRIVERS.
LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL HAVE ALL
TOOLS AND RESOURCES NECESSARY TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC ACT
WILL BE ENFORCED.
STARTING JANUARY 1st, ONTARIO
WILL ALSO PUT IN PLACE STRICTER
SANCTIONS FOR DRIVING UNDER THE
INFLUENCE INCLUDING HEAVIER
PENALTIES AND INSTALLATIONS ON
CARS OF... OF CAR RESTRICTIONS.

[End of Translation]...

In English, Mulroney contiunues
ENSURING OUR KIDS ARE
PROTECTED AND OUR COMMUNITIES
AND OUR ROADS ARE SAFE.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION, THE MEMBER FOR
ST. CATHARINES.

The caption changes to "Jennifer (Jennie) Stevens. NDP. Saint Catharines."

Stevens is in her late fifties, with blond hair in a short bob and bangs. She wears a short-sleeved green blazer.

She says SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS TO
THE PREMIER.
SAFE INJECTION SITES SAVE LIVES.
THERE WAS OVER 1200 ONTARIANS
WHO OVERDOSED LAST YEAR.
THAT'S 1200 LIVES THAT COULD
HAVE BEEN SAVED.
THE DEPUTY PREMIER HAS ALREADY
CONFIRMED THAT NO SAFE INJECTION
SITES WILL BE OPENED.
DESPITE THE CALLS FOR NEW
LIFE-SAVING SITES IN COMMUNITIES
LIKE ST. CATHARINES, BUT THIS
GOVERNMENT HAS ALSO LEFT THE
FUTURE OF EXISTING SITE UP IN
THE AIR.
IS THIS GOVERNMENT PLANNING ON
SHUTTING DOWN ALL SAFE INJECTION
SITES IN THIS PROVINCE?

The Speaker says PREMIER.

Ford says MINISTER OF COMMUNITY AND
SOCIAL SERVICES.

MacLeod says I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO RESPOND ON BEHALF OF THE
MINISTER OF HEALTH.
LET ME BE VERY CLEAR, THE
SUPERVISED INJECTION SITE IN
LONDON, ONTARIO HAS BEEN
EXTENDED INTO SEPTEMBER THE
30th SO THE SITE CAN CONTINUE
ITS WORK.
AS WE REVIEW THE LATEST DATA,
EVIDENCE, AND CURRENT MODELS.
WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
CONTINUATION OF ANY SUPERVISED
INJECTION SITES WILL BE TO THE
BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE
ARE HERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT
AND ENSURE THEY GET ON THE RIGHT
PATH.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
BENEFIT ALL OF THE PEOPLE, THAT
WE SAVE LIVES AND HELP INTRODUCE
PEOPLE INTO REHABILITATION.
IN THE COMING WEEKS, WE WILL
ALSO BE SPEAKING AND CONSULTING
WITH EXPERTS AND REVIEWING
REPORTS FROM ORGANIZATIONS TO
ENSURE PEOPLE STRUGGLING WITH
ADDICTION GET THE HELP THAT THEY
NEED.
BUT LET ME BE CLEAR, LET ME BE
CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT THE PEOPLE ON
BOTH SIDES OF THIS HOUSE THAT
REPRESENT THE PROGRESSIVE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF ONTARIO
WILL STAND FOR THOSE WHO ARE...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Stevens says MR. SPEAKER, THIS GOVERNMENT
TALKS A BIG GAME ABOUT
CONSULTATION WHEN IT SUITS THEM
BUT RIDES ROUGHSHOD OVER THE
PUBLIC INPUT WHEN THEY KNOW THEY
WON'T GET THE ANSWER THEY ARE
LOOKING FOR.
PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS, ADDICTION
COUNSELLORS AND USERS HAVE ALL
SAID LOUD AND CLEAR, SAFE
INJECTION SITES SAVE LIVES.
THEY ARE THE BEST, I REPEAT THE
BEST, WAY TO CONNECT USERS WITH
THE SERVICES THEY NEED TO GET
THEIR LIVES BACK ON TRACK.
WHY WON'T THIS GOVERNMENT HEED
THE ADVICE OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND
ADDICTION EXPERTS WHO CAN
PROVIDE A HUGE, HUGE BODY OF
EVIDENCE IN THE SUPPORT OF SAFE
INJECTION SITES, INCLUDING ST.
CATHARINES?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

MacLeod says LOOK, SPEAKER, THE MINISTER
OF HEALTH WAS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR
YESTERDAY THAT AT THIS POINT IN
TIME, WE ARE GOING TO PAUSE THE
THREE OVERDOSE PREVENTION SITES.
IF THE MEMBERS OPPOSITE WANTED
TO LISTEN TO THE RESPONSE, I'D
BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT TO THEM
BUT THEY DON'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE
THEIR OWN IDEOLOGICAL WAY OF
DOING THINGS, THEY DON'T WANT TO
TALK ABOUT EVIDENCE, THEY DON'T
WANT TO TALK ABOUT RESEARCH,
THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT
CONSULTATION BECAUSE THEY'RE SO
RIGID AND IDEOLOGICAL.
WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THE LATEST
DATA, THE EVIDENCE AND THE
CURRENT SUPERVISED INJECTION
SITES AND OVERDOSE PREVENTION
MODELS AND WE WANT TO LOOK AT
THE EVIDENCE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THE CONTINUATION OF ANY
SUPERVISED INJECTION SITES ARE
GOING TO BENEFIT PEOPLE.
THAT IT'S GOING TO SAVE LIVES,
AND GET PEOPLE BACK INTO
REHABILITATION.
THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THAT
SIDE OF THE HOUSE WANT TO MAKE
SURE WE LIFT PEOPLE UP, THAT WE
GET THEM BACK ON TRACK, THAT WE
MAKE THEM HEALTHY AGAIN, THAT WE
DEAL WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH AND
ADDICTION PROBLEMS.
THE OTHER SIDE DOESN'T WANT TO
HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says NEXT QUESTION.
START THE CLOCK.
THE MEMBER FOR SCARBOROUGH-ROUGE RIVER.

[Some Applause]

The caption changes to "Vijay Thanigasalam. PC. Scarborough-Rouge Park."

Thanigasalam is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short black hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and spotted blue tie.

He says SPEAKER...
MY QUESTION TODAY IS THE TO
MINISTER OF CHILDREN, COMMUNITY
AND SOCIAL SERVICES WITH
RESPONSIBILITY FOR IMMIGRATION.
MINISTER, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU
FOR YOUR INPUT TO THE AD HOC
FEDERAL COMMITTEE ON THE BORDER
CRISIS.

[Some Applause]

Thanigasalam says I WANT TO USE THE WORD CRISIS
WITH GREAT CONCERN.
I SEE WITH MY OWN EYES EVERY
NIGHT ON THE NEWS AND HAVE READ
THE REPORTS THAT SAY THE
MAJORITY OF CANADIANS SEE IT IT
THAT WAY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE ONCE
AGAIN PROVIDE THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT THE DETAILS ON THE
200 MILLION DOLLARS BILLS THAT HAS
RESULTED FROM FEDERAL INACTION
DURING THE BORDER CRISIS.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT MORE
FEDERAL MINISTERS ARE BEING
THROWN AT THIS PROBLEM LIKELY
BECAUSE THEY HAVE MADE NO
PROGRESS IN A YEAR.
MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO THE
COMMITTEE MEETING.
DURING THE CRISIS COMMITTEE
MEETING, DID THE FIVE FEDERAL
MINISTERS PROVIDE YOU WITH ANY
CONFIDENCE THAT AN END TO THIS
CRISIS IS NEAR?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
CHILDREN, COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL
SERVICES.

MacLeod says THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THE
QUESTION.
IT IS VERY CLEAR YESTERDAY AND
FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS THAT WE
ARE DEALING WITH A CRISIS AT THE
BORDER, PARTICULARLY IN QUEBEC,
BUT ALSO TO A LESSER EXTENT IN
THE PROVINCE OF MANITOBA.
I AM HEARTENED THAT ALL
PROVINCIAL PREMIERS JOIN OUR
PREMIER FORD IN SAYING THAT FOR
ANY STRAIN THAT WE'RE FEELING IN
THE PROVINCE AS A RESULT OF THIS
CRISIS, THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT SHOULD COMPENSATE US
FOR.
UNFORTUNATELY YESTERDAY WHEN I
ATTENDED THE AD HOC MEETING, NOT
ONLY DID WE HAVE FIVE MINISTERS
ON THAT CALL, BUT IT WAS REALLY
JUST ABOUT MUSICAL CHAIRS MORE
THAN GETTING ANY ACTUAL RESULTS
OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE
BORDER.
I AM PLEASED TO SAY THAT QUEBEC
JOINED ON WITH US YESTERDAY IN
CALLING FOR ADDITIONAL
COMPENSATION.
THIS IS RAPIDLY BECOMING A HALF
A BILLION DOLLARS CRISIS IN THE
PROVINCE OF ONTARIO AND THE
PROVINCE OF QUEBEC AS A RESULT
OF OUR SOCIAL ASSISTANCE COSTS,
EDUCATION COSTS, TEMPORARY
SHELTER COSTS, RED CROSS COSTS
AS WELL AS LEGAL AID COSTS SO I
WILL SPEAK MORE IN THE
SUPPLEMENTARY BUT LET ME BE
CLEAR, WE ON THIS SIDE OF THE
HOUSE STAND WITH ALL THOSE
ONTARIANS, CANADIANS, 57 percent WHO
AGREE WITH US.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Thanigasalam says THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE
ANSWER, MINISTER.
I AM SHOCKED THAT THIS CRISIS
HAS BEEN BOILING FOR A YEAR AND
JUST NOW THE FEDERAL MINISTERS
HAVE FIGURED OUT THEY HAVE A
REAL PROBLEM ON THEIR HANDS.
AND THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO
PRESS THIS ISSUE.
I, LIKE YOU, THINK IT'S A GOOD
NEWS THAT MINISTER HUESSAN IS
REMOVED FROM THE COMMITTEE.
HOPING MINISTERS THERE CAN BRING
SOLUTION TO THE RHETORIC AND
NAME CALLING.
I HAVE A SUPPLEMENTAL QUESTION
FOR THE MINISTER AGAIN FOCUSED
ON IMMIGRATION.
WHILE THE CRISIS AT THE BORDER
CONTINUES, FEDERAL INACTION
INCREASES THE RATE TIME FOR
REFUGEE CLAIMANTS.
IT TAKES TWO YEARS TO PROCESS
CLAIMS THAT SHOULD TAKE TWO
MONTHS.
THIS LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT
THE CRISIS AT THE BORDER WITH
ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSERS IS
CREATING A CRISIS AT THE
IMMIGRATION AND REFUGEE BOARD.
MINISTER, DOES THE FLOOD OF
ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSERS CAUSE A
CRISIS AT THE IMMIGRATION
REFUGEE BOARD AND DOES...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
RESPONSE, MINISTER.

MacLeod says THANKS VERY MUCH, SPEAKER.
OF COURSE WE DO HAVE A CRISIS AT
THE BORDER.
IT IT HAS COST OUR ONTARIO
TAXPAYERS 200 MILLION DOLLARS AND
GROWING, 90 MILLION DOLLARS IN SOCIAL
ASSISTANCE COSTS, 74 MILLION DOLLARS IN
SHELTER ACCOMMODATION IN THE
CITY OF TORONTO ALONE AND
GROWING.
12 MILLION DOLLARS AND GROWING IN THE
CITY OF OTTAWA AS WELL AS
3 MILLION DOLLARS TO RED CROSS IN
ADDITION TO CHILDREN'S AID AND
LEGAL AID SUPPORT THAT WE'RE
REQUIRING.
I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS REMOVED
THE FEDERAL IMMIGRATION MINISTER
FROM THIS SO WE CAN HAVE A MORE
POSITIVE STEP FORWARD WORKING
WITH MINISTERS WHO BOTH REACHED
OUT TO ME BUT LET ME BE CLEAR,
FEDERAL INACTION CAUSED DELAYS
AND A STRAIN ON RESOURCES AND
DECISIONS RELATING TO LEGAL
IMMIGRATION AND WE ARE A
WELCOMING AND OPEN SOCIETY HERE
IN ONTARIO AND I'M PROUD MY
MINISTRY CONTRIBUTES
110 MILLION DOLLARS IN SETTLEMENT
FUNDING FOR PROGRAMS LIKE
LANGUAGE TRAINING.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

MacLeod says IN ADDITION, YESTERDAY I
OFFERED TO ENCOURAGE THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE US WITH A
THOUSAND MORE ECONOMIC
IMMIGRANTS THAT WE NORMALLY
HAVE, USED TO BE 6600, NOW IT'S
7600.

The Speaker says THE NEXT QUESTION.

The caption changes to "John Vanthof. NDP. Timiskaming-Cochrane."

Vanthof is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short side-parted gray hair. He wears a gray suit, blue shirt, and striped gray tie.

He says MY QUESTION IS TO THE
PREMIER, FORBES PUBLISHED AN
ARTICLE ON THE IMPACT OF THIS
GOVERNMENT'S WRONG HANDED
DECISION TO DISMANTLE CAP AND
TRADE.
THIS IS FORBES, FORBES SAID, AND
I QUOTE, BY BACK SLIDING ON
CLIMATE, I COULD GIVE YOU... BY
BACK SLIDING ON CLIMATE, ONTARIO
MAY HAVE JUST COST BUSINESSES
BILLIONS.
ADDED MILLIONS IN CONSUMER
COSTS, ISSUED THOUSANDS OF JOBS
AND MIGHTY INVESTMENT OUTLOOK.
WHY IS THE PREMIER RISKING THE
HEALTH OF OUR AND HE TO STICK TO
HIS RADICAL CLIMATE CHANGE
DENYING IDEOLOGY?

The Speaker says PREMIER.

Ford says ENVIRONMENT.

The Speaker says ENVIRONMENT
CONSERVATION AND PARKS.

Phillips says MR. SPEAKER, IT IS SOMETHING
TO HEAR OUR COLLEAGUES ACROSS
QUOTING FORBES MAGAZINE.
BUT THAT... BUT GOOD READING.
WE'VE BEEN CLEAR, EVEN THE
AUDITOR GENERAL WAS CLEAR, LET'S
GO BACK TO THAT.
THE AUDITOR GENERAL WAS CLEAR
THAT CAP AND TRADE WAS GOING TO
COST 8 BILLION DOLLARS.
8 BILLION DOLLARS FROM ONTARIO FAMILIES
AND HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT, A
MINIMAL IMPACT IN TERMS OF
AFFECTING EMISSIONS.
THIS IS A GOVERNMENT COMMITTED
TO MAKING A DIFFERENCE WHEN IT
COMES TO CLIMATE, AND WE
UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM BUT WE'RE
NOT GOING TO DO THAT WITH AN
INEFFECTIVE SYSTEM REGARDLESS
WHAT FORBES MAGAZINE SAYS.
WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THE
PEOPLE OF ONTARIO.
WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THE
VOTERS WHO GAVE US A MANDATE TO
COME HERE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A
SOLID ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY, THAT
MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR THIS
ENVIRONMENT BUT THAT ALSO
PROTECTS ONTARIO FAMILIES AND
PUTS, IN THE CASE, 260 BACK IN
THEIR POCKET EVERY YEAR.
THANK YOU.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Vanthof says FORBES PUBLISHES REAL NEWS.
CANCELLING CAP AND TRADE IN THE
WAY THIS GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO
GO ABOUT IT HAS LEFT ONTARIO
VULNERABLE TO MULTIMILLION
DOLLAR LAWSUITS.
EVERY CENT OF WHICH TAXPAYERS
WILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR.
THIS GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO WASTE
MORE MONEY BY SPENDING
30 MILLION DOLLARS TO CHALLENGE THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN COURT.
AGAIN, IT WILL BE TAXPAYERS
PICKING UP THE TAB, AND AFTER
ALL THOSE WASTED MILLIONS,
ONTARIO WILL BE NO CLOSER TO
CLEANER AIR, CLEANER WATER THAN
WE ARE TODAY.
IN FACT, WE WILL BE WORSE OFF.
LOSING THOUSANDS OF GREEN
ECONOMY JOBS AND UNDERMINING
INVESTOR CONFIDENCE.
SO I ASK YOU WHY IS THIS
GOVERNMENT CLIMATE
CHANGE-DENYING IDEOLOGY MORE
IMPORTANT THAN THE HEALTH OF OUR
ECONOMY AND OUR ENVIRONMENT?
THANK YOU.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says MEMBERS WILL
TAKE THEIR SEATS.
MINISTER.

Phillips says MR. SPEAKER, AGAIN, HEARING
THE NDP STANDING UP FOR BIG
BUSINESS, STANDING UP FOR THE
BIG OIL COMPANIES, WHEN THEY
TALK ABOUT DISMANTLING THE CAP
AND TRADE PROGRAM, THEY TALK
ABOUT 4 BILLION DOLLARS.
REMEMBER WHAT WE HEARD ABOUT
THAT, MR. SPEAKER, 4 BILLION DOLLARS OF
COSTS.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT IT IN A
BUSINESS-LIKE WAY THAT INCLUDES
THREE CREDITS.
WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PAY FOR
FREE CREDITS, WOULD YOU LIKE US
TO PAY THE BIG OIL COMPANIES FOR
THE CREDITS THEY HAVE?
WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PAY
POLLUTERS FOR THE CREDITS THEY
HAVE?
NO.
WE'VE TAKEN AN...

The Speaker says OPPOSITION
WILL COME TO ORDER.

Phillips says AN APPROACH THAT MINIMIZES
THE EFFECT ON TAXPAYERS, GETS
RID OF AN INEFFICIENT CAP AND
TRADE PROGRAM AND PUTS THE
ENVIRONMENT AT THE FRONT OF AN
AGENDA BUT LETS THE ECONOMY ALSO
PROSPER, LETS ONTARIO FAMILIES
PROSPER.
NO, WE WON'T PANDER TO BIG
BUSINESS.

The Speaker says STOP THE
CLOCK.
START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR DON VALLEY NORTH.

[Some Applause]

The caption changes to "Vincent Ke. PC. Don Valley North."

Ke is in his fifties, clean-shaven and bald. He wears glasses, a gray suit, blue shirt, and spotted blue tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE MINISTER
OF COMMUNITY SAFETY AND
CORRECTIONAL SERVICES.
ON SATURDAY, THERE WAS A
DAYLIGHT SHOOTING IN MY RIDING
OF DON VALLEY NORTH HERE IN
GREATER TORONTO AREA.
THE TORONTO POLICE SERVICE
REPORTS THAT MULTIPLE SHOTS WERE
HEARD.
VEHICLES WERE DAMAGED AND
SHELLCASINGS WERE FOUND IN THE
AREA.
AND THIS VIOLENT INCIDENT, TWO
PEOPLE WERE SHOT AND ARE
CURRENTLY BEING TREATED FOR
THEIR INJURIES.
MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS WHAT
IS OUR GOVERNMENT DOING TO
ADDRESS THIS SENSELESS VIOLENCE
IN MY RIDING OF DON VALLEY
NORTH?
THANK YOU.

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
COMMUNITY SAFETY CORRECTIONAL
SERVICES.

Tibollo says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, AND I
THANK THE MEMBER FOR DON VALLEY
NORTH FOR THE QUESTION.
AS I'VE STATED PREVIOUSLY,
PUBLIC SAFETY IS OF PARAMOUNT
IMPORTANCE TO OUR GOVERNMENT.
SPEAKER, TO DATE, THERE ARE TOO
MANY PEOPLE AND TOO MANY
NEIGHBOURHOODS THAT CONTINUE
LIVING IN FEAR DUE TO THE
THREATS IMPOSED BY GUNS AND GANG
VIOLENCE.
MR. SPEAKER, THE TIME FOR TALK
IS OVER.
OUR GOVERNMENT IS LISTENING TO
OUR FRONT LINE OFFICERS AND IS
INVESTING REAL MONEY TO HELP
THEM KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE
FROM GUNS AND GANG VIOLENCE.
OUR GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE IS
COMMITTED TO KEEPING ONTARIO'S
COMMUNITIES SAFE AND THE
25 MILLION DOLLARS WE ARE INVESTING IN
OUR POLICE SERVICES WILL ENSURE
THAT WE GET TO THE ROOT CAUSES
OF GUN AND GANG VIOLENCE IN THIS
GREAT PROVINCE.
WE ARE NOW CALLING UPON THE
MUNICIPAL AND FEDERAL
GOVERNMENTS TO ALSO STEP UP AND
BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Ke says MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO
THANK THE MINISTER FOR HIS
DETAILED RESPONSE.
I, ALONG WITH THE RESIDENTS OF
DON VALLEY NORTH, CONDEMN THESE
ACTS OF FUN VIOLENCE.
WE KNOW THAT WE LIVE IN A SAFE
COMMUNITY AND THAT THE CRIMINALS
WHO COMMITTED THIS VIOLENT ACTS
WILL BE PUNISHED.
I KNOW THE MINISTER WILL
CONTINUE HIS HARD WORK IN
STOPPING GUNS AND GANG VIOLENCE
IN MY RIDING OF DON VALLEY NORTH
AND THROUGHOUT THIS GREAT
PROVINCE.
MR. SPEAKER, CAN THE MINISTER
PLEASE ELABORATE ON THE MEASURES
OUR GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE AGAINST
THE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO MAKE OUR
COMMUNITIES UNSAFE?
THANK YOU.

[Some Applause]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Tibollo says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE
MEMBER OF DON VALLEY NORTH FOR
THE QUESTION.
MR. SPEAKER, OUR GOVERNMENT
REMAINS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING
OUR BRAVE FRONTLINE OFFICERS
WITH THE TOOLS AND RESOURCES
THEY NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE.
OUR RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT OF
25 MILLION DOLLARS IN NEW FUNDING WILL
PROVIDE OUR POLICE WITH
CUTTING-EDGE DIGITAL,
INVESTIGATIVE AND ANALYTICAL
TOOLS THAT OUR POLICE NEED TO
FIGHT GUN AND GANG VIOLENCE IN
2018.
MR. SPEAKER, WE'RE COMMITTED TO
TAKE A WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT
APPROACH, HOWEVER, TO TACKLING
GUN VIOLENCE IN ONTARIO.
I WILL CONTINUE TO MEET WITH
COMMUNITY SAFETY PARTNERS OVER
THE COMING WEEKS AS WELL AS MY
COLLEAGUES FROM THE MINISTRIES
OF HEALTH, CHILDREN, COMMUNITY
AND SOCIAL SERVICES AS WELL AS
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SO THAT WE
CAN ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES OF
GUN AND GANG VIOLENCE WITHIN
THIS GREAT PROVINCE.
MR. SPEAKER, SOLVING GUNS AND
GANG VIOLENCE INVOLVES MORE THAN
JUST ENFORCEMENT.
OUR GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO
FINDING REAL SOLUTIONS TO KEEP
OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE.

The Speaker says THAT CONCLUDES
THE TIME WE HAVE THIS MORNING
FOR QUESTION PERIOD.

Watch: Question Period: Tuesday, August 14, 2018