Transcript: Question Period: Monday, March 25, 2019 | Mar 26, 2019

A still camera shows the Ontario Legislature. A caption on screen reads "Oral questions."

The Speaker stands. He's is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short light brown hair. He wears a black robe.

He says IT IS NOW TIME FOR ORAL
QUESTIONS.
I RECOGNIZE THE MEMBER FOR
BRAMPTON CENTRE.

The caption changes to "Sara Singh. NDP. Brampton Centre."

Singh is in her thirties, with long curly black hair. She wears a dark blue blazer.

She says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE ACTING
PREMIER.
OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE IN THE
INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER'S REPORT
HIGHLIGHTED THE FLAWED PROCESS
BY WHICH RON TAVERNER WAS
INSTALLED AS OPP COMMISSIONER.
HOWEVER, THE GOVERNMENT
CONTINUES TO TOUT THIS PROCESS
AS AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT ONE.
A HEARING AT THIS STANDING
COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE WOULD GIVE
THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE
THESE CLAIMS AND PROVE TO THE
PEOPLE OF ONTARIO THAT THEY HAVE
NOTHING TO HIDE.
WHY IS THIS GOVERNMENT BLOCKING
EFFORTS TO LET THE JUSTICE
COMMITTEE EXAMINE THE PROCESS
THEY CLAIM TO BE SO PROUD OF?

The Speaker says DEPUTY PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says MINISTER OF COMMUNITY SAFETY AND CORRECTIONAL SERVICES.

The Speaker says REFERRED TO THE
MINISTER OF COMMUNITY SAFETY AND
CORRECTIONAL SERVICES.

The caption changes to "Honourable Sylvia Jones. PC. Minister of Community Safety and Correctional Services."

Jones is in her sixties, with wavy blond hair to her shoulders. She wears glasses and a black blazer-

She says THROUGH YOU, SPEAKER, OUR
GOVERNMENT HAS PROUDLY AND
CONSISTENTLY STAND WITH THE
PEOPLE WHO STAND BEHIND OUR
POLICE.
THE NDP CAN CHOOSE TO CHASE
HEADLINES.
WE ARE GOING TO RESPECT THE
POLICE AND WE ARE GOING TO MAKE
SURE WE HAVE AN OPP COMMISSIONER
IN PLACE WHO'S GOING TO SERVE
THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO AND I'M
PROUD OF THE CHOICE WE'VE MADE.
THANK YOU.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY?

Singh says MR. SPEAKER, IF THE FORD
GOVERNMENT IS TRULY CONFIDENT IN
THE PROCESS, THEY SHOULD BE
THRILLED AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO
LET THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO HEAR
FROM THE BACK ROOM OPERATORS WHO
WORKED OVERTIME TO DELIVER THE
APPOINTMENT THE PREMIER WANTED.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE
GOVERNMENT TO DEMONSTRATE THEIR
COMMITMENT TO TRANSPARENCY AND
THE PEOPLE OF THIS PROVINCE.
WHY WON'T THEY TAKE IT AND WHAT
ARE THEY HIDING?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Jones says GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER?

The Speaker says QUESTION IS
REFERRED TO THE GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER.

The caption changes to "Honourable Todd Smith. PC. Government House Leader."

Smith is in his late forties, balding, with a gray goatee. He wears a blue suit, white shirt, and checkered blue tie.

He says THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPEAKER.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A SHAME THAT WE
HAVE TO CONTINUE TO SPEAK TO
THIS MATTER AFTER IT'S ALREADY
BEEN DECIDED BY THE INTEGRITY
COMMISSIONER OF THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO.
YOU KNOW, IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT THE
NDP HAVE NOW RESORTED TO
ATTACKING THOSE INDEPENDENT
COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T
ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE
INVESTIGATION THAT CAME FROM HIS
OFFICE.
THE REPORT MAKES IT PRETTY CLEAR
LAST WEEK, AND WE SAID FROM THE
BEGINNING, THAT THIS COMPLAINT
WAS FRIVOLOUS AND IT WAS WITHOUT
MERIT AND THE INDEPENDENT
OFFICER OF THE LEGISLATURE, THE
INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER,
CONFIRMED THAT LAST WEEK.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE SAME
PARTY, MR. SPEAKER, THE NDP,
THAT USED TO ACTUALLY DEFEND THE
INDEPENDENT OFFICERS OF THE
LEGISLATURE WHEN THE LIBERALS
USED TO ATTACK THOSE INDEPENDENT
OFFICERS.
WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THE NDP?
ARE THEY JUST SIMPLY CONCERNED
ABOUT POLITICS BECAUSE THERE'S
NOTHING WITH THIS LINE OF
QUESTIONING...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
FINAL SUPPLEMENTAL.

Singh says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
THE FACT IS, THE COMMISSIONER
REVEALED THAT THE PROCESS BY
WHICH AND THE PROCESS, I'M GOING
TO REITERATE, IT'S THE PROCESS
WE'RE ASKING ABOUT, WE'RE NOT
ATTACKING ANYONE HERE, THE
PROCESS BY WHICH Mr. TAVERNER
WAS APPOINTED WAS FLAWED AND THE
PEOPLE OF ONTARIO HAVE BEEN LEFT
WITH FAR MORE QUESTIONS THAN
ANSWERS.
WE ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE
BELIEVE THEY DESERVE REAL
ANSWERS, FAR MORE THAN IT WAS
TECHNICALLY NOT ILLEGAL.
WHY DOES THIS GOVERNMENT
CONTINUE TO THINK THEY CAN
CONTINUE TO EVADE PROVIDING
TRANSPARENCY TO THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO.
WHY DO YOU NOT FEEL YOU NEED TO
LAUNCH THIS JUSTICE COMMITTEE
POLICY?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, WITH THE
GREATEST RESPECT TO THE MEMBER
OPPOSITE, THE INTEGRITY
COMMISSIONER OF ONTARIO, THE
OFFICE IN WHICH THE COMPLAINT
WAS FILED BY MEMBERS OF THAT
PARTY HAS COME BACK AND
VINDICATED THE PREMIER OF
ONTARIO FOR HAVING ANY KIND OF
INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PROCESS.
IT'S RIGHT THERE IN BLACK AND
WHITE, MR. SPEAKER.
WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE PEOPLE
OF ONTARIO INCLUDING IN THAT
MEMBER'S RIDING AND CERTAINLY IN
ESSEX, I WAS IN ESSEX LAST WEEK
AND ON THE WEEKEND, WHAT THEY
WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT IS THE
GOVERNMENT DOING TO MAKE SURE
THAT ONTARIO IS OPEN FOR
BUSINESS, CREATING GOOD JOBS,
GETTING THE ECONOMY BACK ON
TRACK, AND PROVIDING
TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
IN GOVERNMENT?
I WAS HAPPY TO INFORM THE
MEMBERS IN ESSEX ON FRIDAY AND
SATURDAY WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT WAS
DOING AND THEY ARE QUITE HAPPY
TO HEAR THE ACTIONS THIS
GOVERNMENT IS TAKING CREATING
95,000 JOBS IN THE LAST THREE...

The Speaker says STOP THE CLOCK.
MEMBERS PLEASE TAKE THEIR SEATS.
RESTART THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION, THE MEMBER FOR
TIMISKAMING-COCHRANE.

The caption changes to "John Vanthof. NDP. Timiskaming-Cochrane."

Vanthof is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short side-parted gray hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and striped gray tie.

He says MY QUESTION IS TO THE ACTING
PREMIER.
FOR MONTHS, THE PREMIER STATED
REPEATEDLY THAT THE PROCESS OF
SELECTING RON TAVERNER WAS
COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT.
IN FACT, AT ONE POINT, HE EVEN
SAID HE HAD NO IDEA HIS FAMILY
FRIEND WAS BEING HANDED THE TOP
JOB, AND I QUOTE, "UNTIL THE DAY
THE DECISION WAS MADE."
CAN THE ACTING PREMIER TELL US
IF THE PREMIER DIDN'T KNOW HIS
FRIEND WAS BEING APPOINTED UNTIL
THE DAY THE DECISION WAS MADE,
WHY DID HIS CHIEF OF STAFF DEAN
FRENCH TESTIFY THAT BOTH HE AND
THE PREMIER SUGGESTED TAVERNER
AS A CANDIDATE BEFORE THE JOB
WAS EVEN POSTED?

The Speaker says THE DEPUTY
PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

The Speaker says GOVERNMENT HOUSE LEADER.

Smith says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
IT'S A SHAME THE NDP CONTINUE
WITH THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO
ANYBODY WHO READ THE REPORT AND
CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDS THAT THE
ONE THING THAT IS HAPPENING WITH
THIS LINE OF QUESTION IS THEY'RE
JUST TRYING TO MAKE POLITICAL
HAY, MR. SPEAKER, BUT IT REALLY
IS SHAMEFUL THAT THE NDP HAVE
RESORTED TO ATTACKING THE
INDEPENDENT COMMISSIONER AND
REFUSE TO ACCEPT HIS RESULTS ON
THIS INVESTIGATION.
THE RESULTS CAME BACK PRETTY
DARN CLEAR LAST WEEK, MR.
SPEAKER, AND WE'VE SAID THIS
FROM THE BEGINNING, THAT THE
COMPLAINTS HERE WERE WITHOUT ANY
KIND OF MERIT, THEY WERE
FRIVOLOUS, AND HOW MANY TIMES DO
WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE TYPES OF
COMPLAINTS FILED, MR. SPEAKER?
I KNOW THEY'RE GREAT FRIENDS
WITH DEMOCRACY WATCH, MR.
SPEAKER.
THEY ORIGINALLY CALLED FOR THE
INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER REPORT AS
WELL.
THEY CALLED FOR EIGHT DIFFERENT
INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER REPORTS
OR MADE EIGHT DIFFERENT
COMPLAINTS SINCE WE BECAME THE
GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO.

The Speaker says THANK YOU, THANK
YOU.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Vanthof says THE PREMIER'S OWN CHIEF OF
STAFF CONTRADICTED THE PREMIER
IN HIS TESTIMONY.
AND TEXT MESSAGES FROM STEVE
ORSINI, THE SECRETARY OF
CABINET, CONTRADICTED HIS CLAIMS
AS WELL.
WHILE THE PREMIER WAS BRAGGING
IN THE HOUSE DAILY ABOUT THE,
AND I QUOTE, "COMPLETELY
INDEPENDENT" PROCESS, ORSINI
WROTE THE PREMIER'S OFFICE
SAYING, AND I QUOTE,
"INDEPENDENT OF WHO?
I WOULD DROP THE WORD
"INDEPENDENT."
WOULDN'T THE ACTING PREMIER
AGREE WE SHOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO
HEAR FROM Mr. ORSINI?

Smith says I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THE
OPPOSITION WON'T RESPECT A
DECISION MADE BY THE INDEPENDENT
OFFICER.
YOU KNOW WHERE THE COMPLAINTS
FROM OF THE INTEGRITY
COMMISSIONER CAME FROM, MR.
SPEAKER?
IT CAME FROM THE MEMBER FROM
BRAMPTON NORTH, KEVIN YARD IS
THE MEMBER WHO MADE THE
COMPLAINT, MR. SPEAKER.
NOW, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS ALL
ABOUT POLITICS AND IN THIS CASE,
IT'S ABOUT GUTTER POLITICS, MR.
SPEAKER.
IT WASN'T ACTUALLY ABOUT THE
PROCESS HERE.
WE KNOW THAT THAT MEMBER HAD
ACTUALLY WANTED TO RUN UNDER
PREMIER FORD AS A PC CANDIDATE
DURING THE LAST ELECTION.

The Speaker says I'M GOING TO
CAUTION THE MEMBER WITH THAT
SORT OF LINE OF STATEMENT.
IT DOESN'T HELP ELEVATE THE
DEBATE.
PLEASE CONCLUDE YOUR RESPONSE.

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, I THINK IT'S
PRETTY OBVIOUS WHAT'S GOING ON
HERE WHEN IT COMES TO THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION AND THEIR
TACTICS.
THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION PARTY IN
ONTARIO IS NOTHING BUT A PROTEST
PARTY, MR. SPEAKER.
THE INDEPENDENT INTEGRITY
COMMISSIONER HAS COME BACK WITH
HIS REPORT WHICH COMPLETELY
VINDICATES THE PREMIER FOR ANY
WRONGDOING IN THIS CASE.

The Speaker says FINAL
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Vanthof says HERE'S JUST SOME OF THE
ISSUES WE NEED SOME ANSWERS ON.
THE PREMIER SAID HE HAD NO IDEA
HIS FAMILY FRIEND WAS A
CANDIDATE.
EVEN THOUGH HIS CHIEF OF STAFF
SAID HE'D ALREADY DECIDED HE WAS
THE BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB.
THE PREMIER SAID THE PROCESS WAS
INDEPENDENT, EVEN THOUGH A
SECRETARY OF CABINET WAS BEGGING
HIM NOT TO CALL IT INDEPENDENT.
IT'S TIME FOR US ALL TO GET SOME
ANSWERS.
WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT OPPOSED TO
HAVING THE BACKROOM OPERATORS
SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AT
COMMITTEE?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says WELL, THANKS, MR. SPEAKER.
CLEARLY THE NDP, THE OPPOSITION
HERE AT QUEEN'S PARK, IS VERY
SATISFIED WITH THE POLICIES OF
THIS GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY
NEVER ASK ABOUT THEM, MR.
SPEAKER, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND
WHY.
YOU KNOW, HERE WE HAVE, HERE WE
HAVE THE ONTARIO CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE IN THE BUILDING TODAY.
WE HAVE BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES
FROM THEIR RIDINGS, OUR RIDINGS,
ALL ACROSS ONTARIO.
YOU WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE THAT
THE NDP WOULD WANT TO ASK A
QUESTION ABOUT BUSINESS.
YOU WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE THEY
WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE
GOVERNMENT IS DOING TO CREATE
JOBS IN THEIR RIDINGS AND CREATE
WEALTH AND MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE
IN THEIR RIDINGS ARE ABLE TO GET
GOOD EMPLOYMENT SO THEY CAN PUT
THEIR KIDS THROUGH COLLEGE OR
THEY CAN MAKE SURE THEY'RE
PUTTING FOOD ON THE TABLE.
WE'RE SEEING GREAT RESULTS ON
THAT FRONT, MR. SPEAKER.
95,000 JOBS CREATED IN ONTARIO
IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS.
WE'RE DOING PRETTY DARN WELL.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION MIGHT NOT
WANT...

The Speaker says THANK YOU, THANK
YOU.
STOP THE CLOCK.
START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION, THE MEMBER FOR
BRAMPTON NORTH.
STOP THE CLOCK.
GOVERNMENT SIDE WILL COME TO ORDER.

The caption changes to "Kevin Yarde. NDP. Brampton North."

Yarde is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short-cropped dark hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and purple tie.

He says CAN THE ACTING PREMIER
EXPLAIN HOW CHRIS PROGART, A
PARTNER AT A LOBBYING FIRM,
EXTENSIVE INTEREST IN THE
ONTARIO GOVERNMENT, CAME TO BE
TASKED WITH PROVIDING MEDIA
TRAINING TO THE PREMIER'S
PREFERRED CANDIDATE FOR THE OPP
COMMISSIONER AND WHAT ROLE HE
PLAYED IN PREPARING Mr. TAVERNER
FOR THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS?

The Speaker says DEPUTY PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says TO THE HOUSE LEADER.

The Speaker says THE GOVERNMENT
HOUSE LEADER.

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, IF WE'RE GOING
TO DRAG PRIVATE CITIZENS THROUGH
THE MUD HERE, THE LEAST WE CAN
DO IS GET THEIR NAME RIGHT, MR.
SPEAKER.
I FIND IT INTERESTING, THOUGH,
THAT THE MEMBER OPPOSITE IS
ASKING HIS QUESTION ON A PIECE
OF BLUE PAPER.
MAYBE THERE'S MORE TO THAT.
MR. SPEAKER, THE MEMBER OPPOSITE
IS THE ONE WHO FILED THE REPORT
WITH THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER.
THAT REPORT CAME BACK,
EXONERATING THE PREMIER OF ANY
WRONGDOING IN THIS CASE, MR.
SPEAKER.
LET'S MOVE ON.
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE ACTUAL
POLICIES OF THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO.
I KNOW THE NDP BELIEVE THEY CAN
MAKE POLITICAL HAY HERE IN THIS
GUTTER DRAGGING PRIVATE CITIZENS
THROUGH THE MUD IN THE WORK
THEY'RE DOING, BUT THAT IS NOT
ACCEPTABLE TO THIS GOVERNMENT.
WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON MAKING
SURE ONTARIANS GET GOOD JOBS AND
WE'RE GETTING ONTARIO BACK ON
TRACK AFTER 15 YEARS...

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Yarde says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
ONCE AGAIN TO THE ACTING
PREMIER, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST
TIME THAT Mr. FROGAT'S NAME HAS
COME UP IN THE LEGISLATURE
RECENTLY.
HE WAS ALSO NAMED BY THE MEMBER
FROM LANARK FRONTENEMBER
FROM LANARK FRONTENAC KINGSTON.
WILL THE MEMBER EXPLAIN WHY HE
CONTINUES TO PLAY SUCH AN
IMPORTANT ROLE AND AN IMPORTANT
DECISION MAKING ROLE IN THE
PREMIER'S EXECUTIVE OFFICE HERE
AT QUEEN'S PARK?
AND WHY SHE FEELS WE SHOULD NOT
BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM HIM
DIRECTLY AT COMMITTEE.

The Speaker says QUESTIONS
REFERRED TO THE MINISTER.

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, I CAN'T
UNDERSTAND WHY THE MEMBER
OPPOSITE, WHO ASKED FOR THE
REPORT FROM THE INTEGRITY
COMMISSIONER, THE INVESTIGATION
FROM THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER,
WON'T ACCEPT THE INTEGRITY
COMMISSIONER'S FINDINGS IN THIS
REPORT.
THE MEMBER FROM BRAMPTON NORTH
IS THE SAME MEMBER WHO WANTED TO
SUN FOR THE PC PARTY IN THE 2018
ELECTION, MR. SPEAKER.
HE PURCHASES HIS...

The Speaker says WE'VE ALREADY
CAUTIONED THE MEMBER NOT TO
BRING THAT UP.
DON'T DO IT AGAIN THE CONCLUDE
YOUR ANSWER.

Smith says I COULD SAY THE PEOPLE OF
BRAMPTON MUST BE A LITTLE
CONFUSED ABOUT SOME OF THE
QUESTIONS THEY'RE GETTING FROM
THIS MEMBER.
YOU KNOW WHAT, THOUGH, MR.
SPEAKER, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT
ONTARIO BACK ON TRACK AFTER 15
YEARS OF LIBERAL WASTE, SCANDAL,
AND MISMANAGEMENT, AND WE'RE
PUTTING IN POLICIES THAT ARE
ACTUALLY REVERSING THE DOWNWARD
TREND IN THIS PROVINCE.
I WISH THE MEMBERS OF THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION INCLUDING
THE MEMBER FOR BRAMPTON NORTH
WOULD ASK ATEEUESTION RELEVANT O
THE POLICY OF ONTARIO AND MAKING
SURE THAT ONTARIO IS...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT QUESTION, MEMBER FOR
OAKVILLE.

The caption changes to "Stephen Crawford. PC. Oakville."

Crawford is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short brown hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and striped gray tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER, AND
IT'S GOOD TO actually ASK A
QUESTION ABOUT GOVERNMENT POLICY.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE MINISTER
OF EN
OARONMENT, CONSERVATION AND
PARKS.
SPEAKER, OUR GOVERNMENT PROMISED
THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO THAT WE
WOULD MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE.
UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF PREMIER
FORD, OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN
WORKING NON-STOP TO ENSURE THE
HARD WORKING PEOPLE OF ONTARIO
ARE FEELING REAL RELIEF.
AS PART OF OUR COMMITMENT, ON
OCTOBER 31st, THE LIBERALS
BROUGHT AN END TO THE CAP AND, WADE PROGRAM.
TODAY THE MINISTER ANNOUNCES HIS
NEXT STEPS IN THE WINDDOWN OF
THE CAP AND TRADE PROGRA, WA
CAN THE MINISTER SHARE WITH THIS
HOUSE WHAT NEXT STEPS HE WILL BE
TAKING?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF THE
ENVIRONMENT.

The caption changes to "Honourable Rod Phillips. PC. Minister of the Environment, Conservation and Parks."

Phillips is in his early fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt and gray tie.

He says MR. SPEAKER, THROUGH YOU TO
THE MEMBER AND THA... YOU TO TH
MEMBER FOR OAK
OALLE FOR HIS HARD
WORK AND FOR RAISING A QUESTION
HERE WITH THE ONTARIO CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE, ATEEUESTION THAT
MATTERS FOR BUSINESS AND JOBS.
MR. SPEAKER, THE MEMBER IS
SIGHT.
WE MADE A SOLEMN COMMITMENT AND
ONE OF THE CORE PARTS OF OUR
MANDATE WAS TO ELIMINATE THE C
THE
AND TRADE CARBON TAX A CARBON
TAX AND CAP AND TRADE PROGRAM
THAT WAS HURTING BUSBS.
MR. SPEAKER, WHEN WE ST AD WE
WOULD DO THAT, WHEN PREMIER FORD
SAID HE WOULD DO THAT DURING THE
CAMPAPEAKER, LEC THE NDP TRYINGE
VEOPLE FRIGHTENED, FEAR
MONGERING SAID IT COULD BE
BILLIONS AND BILLIONS IN
COMPENSATION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID, MR.
SPEAKER.
WHEN WE IN, WODUCED BILL 4 TO
ELIMINATE CAP AND TRADE IN JULY,
WE SAID IT WOULD BE 5 MILLION DOLLARS IN
COMPENSATIOLLI
LOOKING AT IT SENSIBLY, WE COULD
GET RID OF THE PROGRAM FOR 5
MILLION DOLLARS.
MR. SPEAKER, I'M PLEASED TO
ANNOUNCE TODAY THAT ELIMINATING
THE PROGRAM, THE COMPENSATION
FOR BUSINESS HAS BEEN 5
MILLION DOLLARS, NOT THE BILLIONS OF
DOLLARS AND THAT'S TO ELIMINATE
A PROGRAM THAT'S KILLINGROGOBS
AND RADERTING FAMILIES.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Crawford says THANK YOU, SPEAKER, THANK YOU
FOR THE MINISTER FOR THE AN
YER.
THE CANCELLATION OF THE CAP AND
TRADE PROGRAM IS FINALLY
BRINGING RELIEF TO THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO THAT WE SO DESERVE.
SPEAKER, ONTARIO IS BLESSED WITH
SPEpELACULAR FORESTS, LAKES AND
SIVERS.
THOSE OF US WHO CALL ONTARIO
HOME COULD NOT ASK FOR A BETTER
PLACE TO LIVE, RT ASE A FAMILY
AND WORK.
ONTARIO RECOGNIZES THE ROLE WE
PLAY IN THE RESPONSMPEILITY WE
ALL SHARE TO PROTEpEL AND
PRESERVE THE PROVINCE WE ALL
KNOW AND LOVE.
COULD THE MINISTER SHARE WITH
THIS HOUSE WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE
IN FOR PROTECTING ONTARIO'S
ENVIRONMENT?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Phillips says MR. SPEAKER, THROUGH YOU TO
THE MEMBER AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
VISITING WITH SOME.
MEMBERS' CONSTITUENTS NEXT MONTH
AS WE PROCEED WITH ROLLING OUT
OUR MADE IN ONTARIO PLAN.
WE PROMISED IN BILL 4 WHEN WE
INTRODUCED IT IN JULY THAT WE
WOULD BRING A MADE IN ONTARIO
EN
OARONMENT PLAN, A PLAN THAT
WOULD DEAL WITH CLIMATE CHANGE
AND MOVE FROM THE 22 percent RED, MR.
THAT ONTARIANS HAVE A WE'VEADY
CONTRIBUTED TO TO REACH THE 32 percent
TARGET THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED
TO, THAT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
HAS COMMITTED TO, BUT WOULD ALSO
DEAL WITH CLEAN T AR, CLEAN LAN
AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR WATER
WAS CLEAN.
IN THAT REGARD, SO FAR, WE'VE
SELEASED OUR EMISSIONS STANDARDS
VROPOSALS WHICH ARE NOW FOR
CONSULTATION, WE'VE RELEASED OUR
VROGRAM FOR INCREASING THE
ETHANOL IN THE GASOLINE, AND WE
WILL MAKE SURE WE KEEP ONTARIO
CLEAN AND DO DID WITHOUT A
JOB-KILLING CARBON TAX.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION, THE MEMBER
FOR TIMMINS.

The caption changes to "Gilles Bisson. NDP. Timmins."

Bisson is in his fifties, balding, with a full white beard. He wears glasses, a white shirt, and a striped brown tie.

He says MYTEEUESTION IS FOR THE ACTING
PREMIER.
THE REASON NEW DEMOCRATS WANT TO
HEAR FROM WITNESSES AT THE
JUSTICE COMMITTEE IS SIMPLE.
BECAUSE THERE'S STILL SO MANY
QUESTIONS UNAN
YERED.
ONE S, MR.
HAPPENED THE NIGHT STEVE
ORSINI'S RESIGNATIOLLI
WE KNOW THAT ORSINI DEMANDED THE
PREMIER DELAY TAVERNER'S
APPOINTMENT UNTIL AFTER THE
INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER CONAIDpED
TIS INVESTIGATION.
AND IF THE PREMIER DIDN'T DO
THAT, HE WOULD RESIION.
IF THE PROCESS THAT Mr. ORSINI
OVERSAW WAS SO DEFENSIBLE, WHY
DID HE FEEL COMPELLED TO MAKE
SUCH A DRASTIC ULTIMATUM?

The Speaker says THE DEPUTY
PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says HOUSE LEADER.

The Speaker says GOVERNMENT HOUSE
LEADER.

Smith says WELL, THANKS, MR. SPEAKER.
PLEASURE TO RESPOND TO THE
QUESTION FROM THE OPPOSITION
HOUSE LEADER THIS MORNING.
YOU KNOW, THE INDEPENDENT
INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER MADE HIS
RULING LAST WEEK.
HE CAME OUT WITH THE REPORT.
THE NHAT D USED TO RECOGNIAMI T
INDEPENDENT OFFICERS OF THE
LEGISLATURE AND APPRECIATE THEIR
EFFORTS.
WERE'SED TO PROTEpEL THOSE
INDEPENDENT OFFICERS TOGETHER,
ACTUALLY, WHEN THE LIBERALS WERE
DRAGGING THEM THROUGH THE MUD
AND TELLING THEM THAT THEIR
SERVICES WEREN'T NECESSARY OR
THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE WHAT WAS
COMING FROM THEM.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU, MR. SPEAKER,
THAT THIS OPPOSITION HOUSE
LEADER MUST HAVE SOMETHING THAT
HE COULD ASK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
ON IN TIMMINS IN HIS RIDING,
SOMETHING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT
POLICY AROUND HEALTH CARE OR
POSSIBLY AROUND EDUCATION OR
POSSMPELY AROUND BUSINESS
CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT IT'S
ONTARIO CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, I
WOULDROGUST HOPE HE NS NOT GOIN
TO CONTINUE TO DRAG PEOPLE
THROUGH THE MUD...

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Bisson says THIS FROM A GOVERNMENT THAT
FIRED THREE COMMISSIONERS FROM
THIS ASSEMBLY.
MYTEEUESTION AGAIN IS TO THE
ApELING PREMIER.
Mr. ORSINI SAID IT'S QUITE
PLAINLY IN HIS E-MT AL TO THE
VREMIER.
ND IFF YOU FEEL THE INSTALLATIO
MUST PROCEED, IT IS WITH A HEAVY
HEART THAT I RK.OMMEND THE
THEPOINTMENT OF A NEW SK.RETARY
OF CABINET WHO WILL FULLY
SUPPORT YOUR DK.ISION AS PREMIER
OF ONTARIO.
WHILE IPPOR DEEPLY SADDENED TO
MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION, I FEEL
IT'S THE ONLY APPROPRIATE COURSE
OF ApELION IN THE CIRCUMSTANCE.
IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE IS MORE TO
THE STOICES THAT WHAT WE NRE
HEARINTIMSO FAR, AND IF THIS IS
WHY WE NEED TO HEAR FROM
Mr. ORSINI AND OTHERS AT
COMMITTEE.
WHY IS YOUR GOVERNMENT OPPOSED
TO THAT?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, APPARENTLY THE
MEMBER OPPOSITE JUST CAN'T TAKE
YES FOR AN ANSWER ON THIS ISSUE.
THE INDEPENDENT INTEGRIRAS
ASTOMMISSIONER OF ONTARIO HAS CE
OUT WITH A REPORT EXONERATING
THE PREMIER FOR ANY INER,OLVEME
IN THIS ISSUE THAT WAS REQUESTED
BY THE WOULD-BE PC CANDIDATE
FROM SCARBOROUGH MARKHAM AND NOW
THE NHAT D CANDIDATE FROM BRAMP.

The Speaker says NEXT QUESTION.
MEMBER FOR CARLETON.

The caption changes to "Goldie Ghamari. PC. Carleton."

Ghamari is in her thirties, with long straight black hair. She wears a navy-blue dress.

She says THA... YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
BEFORE I BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE TO
INTRODUCE DCE NE FLANAGAN AND
OTHERS FROM INTApEL AND I LOOK
FORWARD TO MEETING WITH THEM
LATER TODAY.
MYTEEUESTION IS FOR THE MINISTE
OF , WANSPORTATION.
RECENTLY, OUR GOVERNMENT FOR THE
PEOPLE HAS MADE SOME SPEAKER, NT
ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT REFLECT OUR
COMMITMENTS TO GET THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO MO
OANG.
WENOW E
YPANDED GO SER
OACE IN
WENTCHENER AND NIAGARA AND
ANNOUNCED THAT KIDS UNDER 12
RIDE FREE ON GO SER
OACE ISS.
MR. SPEAKER, IT IS CLEAR THAT
OUR GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE IS
SERIOUS ABOUT OUR COMMIU ENT TO
GET THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO BACK
ON TRACK.
WE ARE FACING SERIOUS GRIDLQUIK
PROBLEED T ALL ACROSS ONTARIO D
TO THE FINANCIAL MISMANAGEMENT
OF THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT AND
INSTEAD OF FIXING THE PROBLEM,
ONTARIANS WERE LEFT WITH A 15
BILLION DOLLARS DEFICIT.
ND IFVE
CA CANETON AND ACROSS THE OTTAW
REGION ARE LOOKING FOR RELIEF TO
THE GRIUR GOQUIK ISSUE.
ASTAN THE MINISTER OF
TRANSPORTATION TELL US WHAT HIS
MINISTRY IS DOING TO GET THE
PEOPLE OF ONTARIO MO
OANG?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
TRANSPORTATION.

The caption changes to "Honourable Jeff Yurek. PC. Minister of Transportation."

Yurek is in his forties, clean-shaven, with thinning brown hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and checked blue tie.

He says THANK YOU VERY S QCH, SPEAKE,
AND I HAD LIKE TO THA... THE
MEMBER FROM CARLETON FOR THAT
QUESTION AND HER ONGOING WORK
REPRESENTING HER CONSTITUENTS.
LAST FRIDAY, MR. SPEAKER, THE
PREMIER AND I WERE IN THE GREAT
CIRAS OF OTTAWA TO A
LAOUNCE OUR
GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE IS
GIVING 1.2 BILLION DOLLARS TO OTTEMBEAO
BUILD STAGE TWO OF THE LRT, AND,
MR. SPEAKER, THIS IS ON TOP OF
THE 600 MILLION DOLLARS THE PRO
OANCE
HAS AER,EADY COMMITTED.
AND, MR. SPEAKER, OVER THE LAST
FEW MONTHS WORKING UP TO THIS
A
LAOUNCEMEN, THE
MEMBERS FROM OTTAWA WEST,
NEPEAN, KANATA-CARLETON AND
ASTARLETOLLI
THESE MEMBERS CAME TO ME DT ALY
TO PUSH OUR DECISION TO FUND THE
LRT AND THAT IS WHAT WE DILLIO
ND IF WOULD LUS WE TO CONGRATUL
MBEAARLIAMENTARY ASSISTANT WHO
HELPED STEER THIS PROJECT
FURTHER.
MR. SPEAKER, AS A TEAM, WE ARE
MAKING ONTARIO TRANSIT BETTER
AND, MR. SPEAKER, WE NRE WOOPLI
TOGETHER TO MAKE OTTEMBEA ER,T
REALITY FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE
REGION.
I HAVE MORE TO SAND I IN MY
ANK.OPLEMENTAICES.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Ghamari says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
F THA... YOU TO THE
MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION FOR
THE EXCELLENT RESPONSE.
THIS IS VEICES, STAERY EXCITINGS
N TOOR THE PEOPLE OF OTTEMBEA A
ESPECIALLY MY CONSTITUENTS IN
CARLETON AND THE RIVERSIDE SOUTH
AND FINLEY CREEK AREA.
MR. SPEAKER, YOU HAVE NO IDEA
THE SIGNIFICANT IMPApEL THE
OTTAWA ER,T EXPANSION WILE
AVE
IN CARLETON ESPECIALLY GIVEN
THAT THE AREA OF RIVERSIDE
ANOUTH, THE PO DTLATION IS GOIN
TO DOUBLE IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS
TO ALMOST 20,000 PEOPLE.
MR. SPEAKER, THIS PROF THpEL IS
GOING TO ASSIST OUR GOVERNMENT'S
GOAL TO REDUCE TRAFFIC
CONGESTION AND OUR GOVERNMENT IS
ASSISTING IN BUILDING A WORLD
CLASS TRANSIT SYSTEM IN THE
GREAT CITY OF OTTAWA.
MR. SPEAKER, CAN THE MINISTER OF
TRANSPORTATION TELL US MORE
ABOUT PHASE TWO OF THE OTTEMBEA
SRT?

The Speaker says MINISTER?

Yurek says THANKS VERY MUCH, MR.
SPEAKER.
THE NEW ER,T WILL EN,ORTEN COMSE
TIMES AND HELP PEOPLE GET TO
WORK, SCHOOL, OR APPOINTMENTS
QUICKLY AND EFFICIENFROM
ALMLAST
WILL LIVE WITHIN 5 KILOMETRES OF
TRANSIT.
WE NRE OPENINGRE'P NEIGHBOURHOO
LIKE ORLEANS, WESTBORO, AND THE
BY WARD MARKET.
THIS NETWORK WILE
E ABLE TO
MOVE 24A
EACH DIRECTION.
OUR GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE IS
MAKING IT EASIER FOR COMS QTERS
TO GET TO THEIR JOBS, RUN
ERRANDS, VISIT FAMILY AND PRENDS
YITH EN,ORTER COMS QTE TIMES AN
SEDE TE CONGESTION ON THE ROAD,
MAKE IT EASIER FOR THOSE
COMMUTING BY CAR TO GET FROM
POINT A TO PRIVNT B ME TH QUICK.

The Speaker says ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
New QUESTION, THE MEMBER FOR
DAVENPORT.

The caption changes to "Marit Stiles. NDP. Davenport."

Stiles is in her forties, with feathered blond hair in a bob. She wears a gray blazer over a black blouse, and a silver necklace.

She says MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
MINISTER OF EDUCATION.
QUESTIONS CONTINUE TORE RAISED
ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT'S PLAN TO
SHUFFLE TEACHERS OUT OF
ASTLASSROOMS AND REPLACE THEM WH
ONLINE CLASSES.
LAST WEEK, THE ONTARIO STUDENT
TRUSTEES ASSOCCE TION CALLED ON
THE GOVERNMENT TO HIT THE BRAKES
ON THIS SCHEME SAYING THAT
"DIFFERENT LEARNING SRASLES
CA
LAOT BE ACCOMMOAMITED BY AN ALL
ENCOMPASSING CHANGE IN
GRADUATION REQUIREMENTS.
ANPEAKER, STUDENTS WILL BEAR TH
BROVET OF THIS GOVERNMENT'S
EDUCATION CUTS, YET THEIR VOICES
CONTIAD,E TO BE PEAKER, NORELLIO
YEVE
LISTENED TO PARENTS, TEACHERS,
OR EDUCATION WOOPLERS.
YILL SHE LISTEN TO STUDENTS AND
STOP THESE CUTS?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

The caption changes to "Honourable Lisa M. Thompson. PC. Minister of Education."

Thompson is in her forties, with chin-length wavy blond hair. She wears glasses, a white blazer and a spotted white shirt.

She says THA... YOU STAERY S QCH, MR.
ANPEAKER, FOR THE OPPORTUNIRAS
SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
SPEAKER, THE REALIRAS OF TODANDS
YE NEED TO BE EMheACING
TECHNOLOGY FOR GOOD AND WHEN IT
COMES TO ONLINE OPPORTUNITIES
FOR OUR STENPENTS, I THI... WE
EN,OULD ALL AGREE IN THIS HOUSE
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY
TAVE EVEICES OPPORTUNIRAS TO PU
THO
FROM THE MEMBER OPPLAST
PECCLIAR BK.AUSE IF SHE WAS
REALLY IN TOUCH WITH SCHOOL
BOARDS ACROSS THIS PRO
OANCE LUS WE
ANHE FO
ONLINE COURSES BO
JURISDICTION.
SO WHAT ON EARTH IS SHE ASKING?
IS SHE ASKING ONTARIO EOULDCATI
AND SCHhe L B PERD ACROSS THIS
PROVINCE TO TAKE A STEP BACK?
IF SHE IS, SHAME ON HER!

The Speaker says ONCE AGT ATHE PEO ONCE
THE STANDING OVATION STARTED, I
COULDN'T HEAR THE MINISTER
ASTONCLENPE HERNLIEMARKS AND HA
STOP THE CLOCK.
START THE CLOCK.
SUPPLEMENTAICES.

Stiles says THA... YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
ODER.INE OPPORTUNITIES, MR.
SPEAKER?
ONLINE OPPORTUNITIES?
THIS IS NOT ABOUT 21st CENTUICE
SEARNING.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT TECHNOLOGY.
THIS IS ABOUT MAKING STUDENTS
TAKE COURSES ONLINE THAT ARE NEN
MANDATORY.
MR. SPEAKER, THIS IS ABOUT
SEMOVING 10A
OUR CLASSRhe ED T.
STUDENTS ARE RIGHT TO BE WORRIED
ABOUT THEIR FUTURE.
THEY ARE RIGHT TO BE WORRIELLIO
THEY'RE WONDERING HOW THEY WILL
CONCENTRATE IN CLASSES AS LARGE
AS 40.
THEK.
SIBLINGS WILL FALL BEHIND WHEN
THEY'RE FORCED TO TAKE A CLASS
ODER.INE WITH NO SUPPOR, THE
THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT HOW
THEY'LL NAVIGATE THE TRANSITION
TO COLLEGE ORRE'NIVERSITY OR BE
READY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE
ECONOMY WHEN THEIR GUIDANCE
ASTOUNSELSTEMRS ARE CCEN,O
YILL THE MINISTER HAVE THE
COURAGE TO STAND UP FOR STUDENTS
OR WILL SHE SIMPLY CARICES ON WH
THE PREMIER'S ENUR GOESS QUEST
CUTS?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Thompson says ANPEAKER, AND I STANDRE'P FOR
STUDENTS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
HONEST TO GOODNESS, SPEAKER.
ND IF CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE HE IN
DISCONNECTED THAT MEMBER
OPPOSITE AND HER ENTIRE PARRAS
ND IFS.
MY GOODNESS, WE SHONEWD BE
CELEBRATING HOW WE'RE ALREADY
LEADING THE WAY, TVOs,
T FURISDI FOOIONS ARE COMING TOM
N TOORTHE ONLINE ADVANCES THAT
THEY'RE MAKING WITH ONLINE
ASTOURSES, AND THE FACT OF THE
MANDRER IS, AGT ATHE PEO IF THE
OPPOSITE WAS ACTUALLY TRULY
CONNK.TED WITH OUR SCHhe L B PES
ACRLAST
KNOW ONLINE COURSES ARE ALREADY
HAPPENING, AND AGT ATHE PEO WHA
WRONG WITH MAKING SURE THAT OUR
STUDENTS AT MINIMUM ONCE A YEAR
EMBRACES TK.NOR10OGY FOR Ghe D D
TAVING SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES
THAT THE INTERNET PROVIDES, WE
ARE GOING TO CONTIAD,E TO PUSH
THE BAR AND MAKE SURE ONTARIO
EDUCATION IS WHERE...

The Speaker says THA... YOU, THAK
YOU.
New QUESTION, THE MEMBER FOR
DON VALLEY WEST.

The caption changes to "Kathleen O. Wynne. Liberal. Don Valley West."

Wynne is in her fifties, with short curly blond hair. She wears a printed pale blue blazer and an indigo scarf.

She says THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR.
ANPEAKER.
ND IFN 2003,FNEW 68 percent OF HPEAKER
STUDENTS WERE GRADUATING IN
ONTARIO.
TOAMIY 86 percent OF STUDENTS WERE
GRAOULDATING AND THAT DID NOT
HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT.
THERE WERE 5,THE PEOP0 MORE AOU
THE SCHhe LS THAN IN pACCR.
MIKE HARRIS REMOVED ADULTS FROM
SCHOOL, MR. SPEAKER.
OUR GOVERNMENT REPLACED THEM.
PLEASE STOP THE CLQUITh
THE GOVERNMENT SIDE WILL COME TO
ORDER SO I CAN HEAR THE MEMBER
WHO IS ASKING THE QUESTION.
ANHE CAN SAND I DURINY FOTHE COF
TER ONE-MINUTE PRESENTATION TO
HER QUESTIONS, I HEAR WHAT HER
QUESTION IS IDAOUEN,O..

(Interjections)

Wynne says WE ALSO KNOW THAT IF STUDENTS
DON'T ACCUMULATE CREDITS EARLY
ON IN GRADES 9 AND 10, THE
LIKELIHOOD THEY'LL GRADUATE IS
REDUCED.
HOW WILL THE MINISTER GUARANTEE
THAT THOSE STUDENT SUPPORTS,
THOSE VITAL STUDENT SUPPORTS
WILL REMAIN IN PLACE AS SHE
REMOVES THOUSANDS OF ADULTS FROM
SECONDARY SCHOOLS?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF EDUCATION.

Thompson says WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
SPEAKER, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK TO THE AMAZING PATHWAY
WE'RE ON IN TERMS OF GETTING
ONTARIO EDUCATION BACK ON TRACK.
I CAN TELL THE MEMBER OPPOSITE
THAT THE NUMBER ONE THING WE'RE
NOT GOING TO DO IS FOLLOW THEIR
DISMAL RECORD THAT THE LIBERAL
ADMINISTRATION ABSOLUTELY CHOSE
TO TAKE OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS
THAT SAW STUDENT SUCCESS PLUMMET
AS WELL.
WHEN YOU REFLECT UPON WHAT
HAPPENED UNDER THAT LIBERAL
ADMINISTRATION, I CAN TELL YOU
THAT 84 percent THROUGH OUR ONLINE AND
OUR IN-PERSON AND SUBMISSION
CONSULTATION THAT WE CONDUCTED
LAST FALL, 84 percent OF PARENTS SAID
THEY WERE SPENDING THEIR OWN
TIME HELPING THEIR CHILDREN
LEARN MATH OUTSIDE OF THE
CLASSROOM.
THAT MEANS A FAILURE, A BIG F ON
THAT LIBERAL GOVERNMENT'S PART.
40 percent OF THE PARENTS SAID THEY
WERE SPENDING THEIR OWN MONEY TO
HELP THEIR CHILDREN LEARN MATH
BECAUSE OF THAT DISMAL FAILURE
OF THAT DISMAL ADMINISTRATION
THAT WAS A DARK AGE FOR
STUDENTS...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Wynne says YOU KNOW, MR. SPEAKER, I
WOULD BE THE LAST PERSON TO SAY
THERE ISN'T A NEED FOR CONSTANT
IMPROVEMENT IN OUR EDUCATION
SYSTEM.
I WOULD BE THE LAST PERSON TO
SAY THAT WE DON'T NEED PARENT
INVOLVEMENT AND PARENT SUPPORT.
OF COURSE WE DO, MR. SPEAKER.
WHAT I'M ASKING THE MINISTER IS
HOW SHE CAN JUSTIFY TAKING
THOUSANDS OF ADULTS OUT OF
SCHOOL, SHE KNOWS FULL WELL OR
SHE SHOULD, MR. SPEAKER, THAT 22
KIDS IN A SECONDARY CLASS IS AN
AVERAGE NUMBER.
WHAT IT MEANS IF SHE TAKES
THOUSANDS OF ADULTS OUT OF THE
SCHOOLS, MR. SPEAKER, IS THAT
BOARDS AND SCHOOLS ACROSS THE
PROVINCE WILL BE SCRAMBLING TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE CORE
CURRICULUM HAS REASONABLE CLASS
SIZES.
HOW CAN SHE GUARANTEE THAT
COURSES LIKE DRAMA AND MUSIC AND
VISUAL ARTS AND INDUSTRIAL
DESIGN AND CO-OP PROGRAMS, MR.
SPEAKER, WILL HAVE ANY SECTIONS
AT ALL, THAT KIDS WILL BE ABLE
TO TAKE THOSE COURSES WHEN
THOUSANDS OF ADULTS HAVE COME
OUT OF THE SCHOOLS, MR. SPEAKER?
I AM NOT MAKING A PARTISAN
STATEMENT.
I'M ASKING THE MINISTER TO
ADDRESS THE STUDENTS OF THIS
PROVINCE AND TELL THEM HOW SHE'S
GOING TO PROTECT.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
MINISTER.

Thompson says WELL, WHAT I CHOOSE TO DO IN
THIS HOUSE IS SET THAT MEMBER
OPPOSITE STRAIGHT BECAUSE OUR
FOCUS ON EDUCATION IS GOING TO
BE ZERO CHANGES FROM
KINDERGARTEN TO GRADE 3.
FROM GRADE 4 TO 8, NO MORE THAN
MAYBE ONE STUDENT PER CLASS.
WHEN IT COMES TO HIGH SCHOOL,
I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE GOING TO
GET IT RIGHT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT AN INCREASE OF
PERHAPS SIX STUDENTS, BUT WHAT
WE'RE ALSO FOCUSING ON IS THE
SUCCESS AND THE ACTUAL
EFFECTIVENESS OF THE TEACHER IN
THE CLASSROOM, SPEAKER, AND
WE'RE EXCITED BY THAT.
WE'RE INVESTING IN OUR TEACHERS
LIKE NEVER BEFORE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT OUTCOMES THAT
WILL ENSURE THAT WE ARE
FOLLOWING THROUGH AND BEING
MEASURED ON OUR GOALS, OUR
VISION WHICH IS STUDENT SUCCESS.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT EDUCATION
REFORM.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW MASS
CURRICULUM, NOT ONLY FOR THE
STUDENT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE
SUPPORTING OUR TEACHERS AS WELL.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A REASON, A
REFOCUSED EFFORTS AND THEME AND
STEM.
WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT
MODERNIZING HOW WE...

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
STOP THE CLOCK.
START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR SIMCOE NORTH.

The caption changes to "Jill Dunlop. PC. Simcoe North."

Dunlop is in her forties, with long straight blond hair. She wears a black jacket over a black and gray sweater.

She says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE MINISTER
OF HEALTH AND LONG-TERM CARE.
MR. SPEAKER, WE WERE ELECTED TO
STRENGTHEN AND FIX OUR PUBLIC
HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
SADLY, AFTER 15 YEARS OF LIBERAL
MISMANAGEMENT, WE HAVE OVER
30,000 PEOPLE ON WAIT LISTS FOR
LONG-TERM CARE.
IN MY RIDING OF SIMCOE NORTH, WE
HAVE FAMILIES AND CAREGIVERS
COME INTO THE CONSTITUENCY
OFFICE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK
OF LONG-TERM CARE BEDS IN OUR
AREA.
SPEAKER, COULD THE MINISTER
PLEASE UPDATE THE MEMBERS OF
THIS LEGISLATURE ON WHAT OUR
GOVERNMENT FOR THE PEOPLE IS
DOING TO END HALLWAY HEALTH
CARE, SHORTEN THE WAIT LIST AND
GET THE SENIORS OF THIS PROVINCE
THE CARE THEY SO DESPERATELY
NEED?

The Speaker says THE MINISTER OF
HEALTH AND LONG-TERM CARE.

The caption changes to "Honourable Christine Elliott. PC. Minister of Health and Long-Term Care."

Elliott is in her late fifties, with long blond hair. She wears a dark blue sweater and a colourful scarf.

She says I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
MEMBER FROM SIMCOE NORTH FOR HER
QUESTION WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO
ALL OF US.
OUR GOVERNMENT BELIEVES THAT ALL
ONTARIANS SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO
HIGH QUALITY HEALTH CARE AND
SAFE COMFORTABLE SPACE TO LIVE
IN AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE
TOOK EARLY ACTION ON OUR
COMMITMENT TO ADD 15,000 NEW
LONG-TERM CARE SPACES WITHIN
FIVE YEARS BY ANNOUNCING 6,075
LAST FALL.
NOW, I'M PLEASED TO SAY WE ARE
MOVING FORWARD WITH ANOTHER 16
LONG-TERM CARE PROJECTS THAT
WILL ADD ANOTHER 1,157 NEW BEDS.
THESE NEW BEDS WILL BRING OUR
TOTAL ALLOCATED LONG-TERM CARE
BEDS TO 7,232, WHICH IS NEARLY
HALF OF OUR COMMITMENT CREATED
WITHIN OUR FIRST NINE MONTHS IN
OFFICE.
THIS IS PART OF OUR PLAN TO
ENSURE ONTARIO SENIORS NEEDING
LONG-TERM CARE HAVE ACCESS TO
HIGH QUALITY CARE WHEN AND WHERE
THEY NEED IT.

The Speaker says THANK YOU. SUPPLEMENTARY.

Dunlop says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
AND THANK YOU TO THE MINISTER OF
HEALTH AND LONG-TERM CARE FOR
THAT ANSWER.
MR. SPEAKER, THE SENIORS
POPULATION IS EXPLODING.
THERE ARE A HUNDRED THOUSAND
SENIORS IN ONTARIO EVERY YEAR
AND BY 2041, THERE WILL BE
APPROXIMATELY 4.6 MILLION SENIORS IN THIS PROVINCE.
IN SIMCOE NORTH, WE WERE
THRILLED TO LEARN WE WOULD
RECEIVE 192 NEW BEDS INCLUDING
ONE OF THE NEW 16 CENTRES.
CAN THE MINISTER PLEASE EXPLAIN
WHY INCREASING THE NUMBER OF
LONG-TERM CARE BEDS IS IMPORTANT
FOR SENIORS IN THIS PROVINCE?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Elliott says TO THE MINISTER FOR
SENIORS...

The Speaker says THE MINISTER OF
SENIORS AND ACCESSIBILITY.

The caption changes to "Honourable Raymond Cho. PC. Minister for Seniors and Accessibility."

Cho is in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with short side-parted black hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and checkered yellow tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THANK YOU, THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER, HARD-WORKING MEMBER FROM
SIMCOE NORTH FOR THE GREAT
QUESTION.
OUR GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO
PUTTING SENIORS AND THEIR
FAMILIES AT THE CENTRE OF OUR
LONG-TERM CARE PLAN.
INCREASING THE NUMBER OF BEDS
FOR ONTARIO SENIORS AND THEIR
FAMILIES AS THEY RECEIVE
APPROPRIATE HEALTH CARE SERVICES
HELPING THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE NOW ANNOUNCE ADDITIONAL 1,157
BEDS.
PROMISE MADE, PROMISE KEPT.
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
THE NEXT QUESTION, THE MEMBER
FOR HAMILTON MOUNTAIN.

The caption changes to "Monique Taylor. NDP. Hamilton Mountain."

Taylor is in her forties, with blond hair in a short bob. She wears black-rimmed glasses and a printed black and white dress.

She says MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
MINISTER OF CHILDREN, COMMUNITY,
AND SOCIAL SERVICES.
LAST WEEK, THE MINISTER
ANNOUNCED CHANGES TO THE AUTISM
PLAN, CHANGES THAT PARENTS DO
NOT BELIEVE GO FAR ENOUGH.
THE OAP IS STILL AGE BASED AND
NOT BASED ON NEED.
SO IT STILL DISCRIMINATES
AGAINST GIRLS WHO ARE OFTEN
DIAGNOSED AT A LATER AGE THAN
BOYS.
THE MINISTER HAS COMMITTED TO
CONSULTATION OVER THE SUMMER
AFTER THE CHANGES ARE ROLLED
OUT, BUT, SPEAKER, THE TRUST IS
ALREADY BROKEN.
PARENTS FEEL THE ONLY WAY TO BE
HEARD IN THIS PROVINCE IS TO
PROTEST.
WILL THE MINISTER COMMIT TO AN
OPEN, TRANSPARENT, AND
COLLABORATIVE CONSULTATION
PROCESS?

The Speaker says THE MINISTER OF
CHILDREN, COMMUNITY, AND SOCIAL SERVICES.

The caption changes to "Honourable Lisa MacLeod. PC. Minister of Children, Community and Social Services."

MacLeod is in her forties, with shoulder-length, wavy blond hair. She wears a black blazer.

She says THANKS VERY MUCH, SPEAKER,
FOR THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO
TALK ABOUT OUR PLAN TO CLEAR THE
WAIT LIST FOR BOYS AND GIRLS
DIAGNOSED WITH AUTISM.
23,000 CHILDREN WE WOULD LIKE TO
CLEAR IN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT
AND HAVE OPENED UP THE CHOICE
FOR WHAT PARENTS CAN USE THEIR
CHILDHOOD BUDGET ON THAT.
WE HAVE OPERATIONALIZED THAT TO
INCLUDE OCCUPATIONAL THERAPY AS
WELL AS SPEECH AND LANGUAGE THEY
WERE.
WE'VE LISTENED TO PARENTS AND
TOLD US WHAT THEY WANTED.
WE ARE GOING TO EXTEND CONTRACTS
FOR AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTHS FOR
THOSE 25 percent OF THE CHILDREN
ALREADY ON THE PROGRAM AND MADE
A COMMITMENT TO CONSULT WITH
PARENTS ON THE LEVELS OF
SEVERITY AND NEEDS THAT CHILDREN
HAVE ACROSS THE PROVINCE.
LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR, WE
SUPPORT DEMONSTRATIONS.

Taylor says IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS
GOVERNMENT PUT PARENTS IN CRISIS
THAT IT LED TO THAT, SPEAKER.
PARENTS OF CHILDREN WITH AUTISM
WANT TO HAVE FAITH IN THEIR
GOVERNMENT.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE OUT ON THE
STREET EVERY WEEK IN ORDER TO BE
HEARD.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS FAMILIES
DON'T THINK THE ANNOUNCEMENT
LAST WEEK WENT FAR ENOUGH.
THEY WANT A NEEDS-BASED AUTISM
PROGRAM, NOT AGE CAPPED AND NOT
A PROGRAM THAT ONLY FUNDS A
FRACTION OF THE THERAPY THAT
KIDS NEED.
WILL THE MINISTER CONDUCT AN
OPEN AND TRANSPARENT
CONSULTATION PROCESS THIS
SUMMER?

The Speaker says MINISTER TO REPLY.

MacLeod says SPEAKER, UNDER THE CURRENT
PROGRAM, WE ARE EXTENDING THE
FUNDING BETWEEN 256 MILLION DOLLARS UP
TO 321 MILLION DOLLARS BASED ON THE
ENHANCEMENTS I ANNOUNCED LAST
WEEK, THAT COULD BE UP TO DOUBLE
THAT.
SO I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO
BE A MOST GENEROUS AUTISM
PROGRAM IN NORTH AMERICA FOR
CHILDREN ON THE WAIT LIST.
WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND FROM THE
MEMBER OPPOSITE IS WHY SHE
SUPPORTED DIRECT FUND AND NOW
DOESN'T.
WHY SHE SUPPORTED ELIMINATING
THE WAIT LIST UNTIL SHE DIDN'T.
WHY SHE DIDN'T SUPPORT A INCOME
TEST UNTIL WE ELIMINATED,
SPEAKER, THE MIXED MESSAGES I'M
GETTING FROM THE NDP PROVE
THEY'RE IN THIS FOR POLITICAL
GAIN AND POLITICAL GAIN ONLY.
A PROFESSIONAL PROTEST PARTY WHO
WANTS TO RILE UP PARENTS IS
IRRESPONSIBLE AND THAT'S WHAT
I'VE HEARD FROM THIS MEMBER AND
THAT PARTY FOR THE PAST NUMBER
OF WEEKS.
THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE, THEY
ARE NOT RESPONDING TO THE NEEDS
OF PARENTS.
WE ON THE OTHER HAND WILL CLEAR
THAT WAIT LIST IN THE NEXT 18
MONTHS.
ALL CHILDREN WILL...

The Speaker says AS ALL MEMBERS
KNOW, WE DON'T IMPUTE MOTIVE
WITH OUR QUESTIONS OR RESPONSES.
MEMBER FOR HAMILTON MOUNTAIN
COME TO ORDER.
ORDER.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR MILTON...

The caption changes to "Parm Gill. PC. Milton."

Gill is in his late thirties, clean-shaven, with short-cropped black hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and striped gray tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS FOR
THE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, WE'VE
HEARD A LOT ABOUT CHALLENGES
FACED BY ONTARIO DRIVERS.
AFTER 15 YEARS OF LIBERAL
MISMANAGEMENT AND DEALS BROKERED
BY THE NDP, ONTARIO'S NEARLY 10
MILLION DRIVERS FACE THE HIGHEST
AUTO INSURANCE RATES IN THE
COUNTRY.
WE KNOW ACTION MUST BE TAKEN.
THE LIBERAL AND NDP SYSTEM OF
SO-CALLED STRETCH GOALS ON AUTO
INSURANCE IS BROKEN AND DRIVERS
NEED RELIEF.
THAT IS WHY I INTRODUCED MY
PRIVATE MEMBER'S BILL, THE
ENDING DISCRIMINATION IN
AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE ACT AND WAS
PLEASED TO DEBATE ITS IMPORTANCE
LAST THURSDAY.
COULD THE MINISTER PLEASE SHARE
WITH THE HOUSE HOW OUR
GOVERNMENT PLANS TO IMPROVE
ONTARIO'S AUTO INSURANCE SYSTEM?

The Speaker says QUESTION TO THE
MINISTER OF FINANCE.

The caption changes to "Honourable Victor Fedeli. Minister of Finance."

Fedeli is in his fifties, with short white hair and glasses. He wears a gray suit, white shirt and yellow tie, with a golden pin on his left lapel.

He says THANK YOU, SPEAKER, AND THANK
YOU TO THE MEMBER FROM MILTON.
AND WE CONGRATULATE HIM ON HIS
PRIVATE MEMBER'S BILL PASSING
SECOND READING LAST WEEK.
WE'RE INCREDIBLY PROUD OF HIS
LEADERSHIP AND HIS HARD WORK.
WE KNOW BECAUSE HE GOT THIS
RIGHT.
HE TOOK THE TIME TO CONSULT, TO
LISTEN TO DRIVERS, AND TO BRING
FORWARD A PLAN THAT IF PASSED
WON'T HAVE ANY UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES.
HIS LEGISLATION, IF PASSED, WILL
BRING MORE FAIRNESS TO THE AUTO
INSURANCE SYSTEM AND WILL ALLOW
THE SYSTEM TO BETTER MEET THE
NEEDS OF DRIVERS.
WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT A GOOD
DRIVER IN THE GTA SHOULD FACE
SIMILAR RATES TO A GOOD DRIVER
IN OTHER PARTS OF THE PROVINCE.
LET US ONCE AGAIN CONGRATULATE
THE MEMBER FROM MILTON ON HIS
IMPORTANT WORK IN THIS FILE AS
WE CONTINUE TO BUILD AN AUTO
INSURANCE SYSTEM THAT PUTS THE
DRIVERS FIRST.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Gill says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
I WANT TO THANK THE MINISTER FOR
HIS RESPONSE.
HOWEVER, WE KNOW COMBATING RATE
DISCRIMINATION IS JUST ONE ACT
OF IMPROVEING OUR PROVINCE'S
AUTO INSURANCE SYSTEM.
WE MUST CONTINUE TO WORK
TOGETHER TO FIX THE BROKEN
SYSTEM WE INHERITED FROM THE
PREVIOUS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT.
AFTER A FAILED STRETCH GOAL OF
THE LIBERALS AND NDP, DRIVERS
ACROSS ONTARIO DEMAND BETTER.
THEY DESERVE BETTER, MR.
SPEAKER.
I'VE HEARD FROM COUNTLESS PEOPLE
IN MY GREAT RIDING OF MILTON
THAT AUTO INSURANCE RATES ARE
SIMPLY TOO HIGH, UNFAIR, AND
DISCRIMINATORY.
PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING CHANGE IN
THE AUTO INSURANCE SYSTEM.
COULD THE MINISTER PLEASE
REITERATE OUR GOVERNMENT'S
COMMITMENT TO IMPROVING OUR AUTO
INSURANCE SYSTEM TO HELP DRIVERS
ACROSS OUR GREAT PROVINCE?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Fedeli says AGAIN, SPEAKER, OUR
GOVERNMENT IS COMMITTED TO
BUILDING A MORE ACCESSIBLE AND
AFFORDABLE AUTO INSURANCE SYSTEM
THAT PUTS DRIVERS FIRST.
FOR 15 YEARS, THE LIBERALS
SUPPORTED BY THE NDP DRAGGED
THEIR FEET AND COULD NOT PROVIDE
REAL RELIEF TO DRIVERS.
THOSE MEMBERS WOULD DO WELL TO
LEARN FROM THE MEMBER FROM
MILTON.
THEY WOULD ALSO BE WISE TO
FOLLOW THE LEAD OF MY
PARLIAMENTARY ASSISTANT DOUG
DOWNEY.
HE CONTINUES TO ENGAGE WITH THE
INDUSTRY AND CONSULT WITH
DRIVERS IN ORDER TO FIND
SOLUTIONS TO THE LIBERALS'
BROKEN SYSTEM.
THERE ARE NEARLY 10 MILLION DOLLARS DRIVERS IN ONTARIO WHO EXPECT US
TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
ENSURE THE AUTO INSURANCE SYSTEM
IS WORKING FOR THEM.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS
ENSURING THAT ONTARIO'S AUTO
INSURANCE SYSTEM SERVES THE
NEEDS OF ALL THE PEOPLE.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR TORONTO-DANFORTH.

The caption changes to "Peter Tabuns. NDP. Toronto-Danforth."

Tabuns is in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with short white hair. He wears glasses, a black suit, blue shirt, and black tie.

He says MY QUESTION THROUGH TO YOU TO
THE MINISTER OF ENERGY, LAST
WEEK, THE MINISTER OF ENERGY
ANNOUNCED HIS NEW HYDRO SCHEME
THAT WILL SIMPLY SLAP A NEW
LABEL ON THE OLD LIBERAL 40
BILLION DOLLAR HYDRO BORROWING SCHEME.
THIS SCHEME WILL COST ONTARIANS
AN ADDITIONAL 2.4 BILLION DOLLARS THIS
YEAR ALONE.
EVEN WORSE, INSTEAD OF LOWERING
HYDRO COSTS, THE MINISTER'S PLAN
WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE THEM.
FIRST BY A LITTLE AND THEN BY A
LOT.
WHY IS THE MINISTER WASTING
BILLIONS ON THE SAME FAILED
HYDRO BORROWING SEEM AS THE
LIBERALS THAT WILL ONLY SEND
BILLS SKYROCKETING?

The Speaker says GOVERNMENT SIDE
COME TO ORDER.
MINISTER OF ENERGY, NORTHERN
DEVELOPMENT AND MINES.

The caption changes to "Honourable Greg Rickford. PC. Minister of Energy, Northern Development and Mines."

Rickford is in his early fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears a blue suit, white shirt, and green tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
LISTENING TO THE NDP CHASING
THEIR TAIL ON THIS ONE.
I THOUGHT THEY USED TO STAND UP
FOR THE TRUST FUND COVERUP, MR.
SPEAKER.
I THOUGHT THAT THEY BELIEVED IN
TRANSPARENCY, MR. SPEAKER,
MODERNIZING THE ONTARIO ENERGY
BOARD WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT
STAKEHOLDERS SAID LOUD AND CLEAR
NEEDS TO BE DONE.
EVEN OUR FRIENDS HERE WITH THE
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE SAID
SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE WITH
OUR ENERGY SYSTEM FOR MORE
AFFORDABLE RATES FOR SMALL
BUSINESS AND EMPLOYERS, OUR
CONSERVATION PROGRAM TARGETING
ON THE MOST VULNERABLE,
INDIGENOUS AND SENIORS.
I FIGURED IT OUT.
THEY GOT NO DARN PLAN, MR.
SPEAKER.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Tabuns says THANK YOU, SPEAKER, AND I
THOUGHT CONSERVATIVES DIDN'T
BELIEVE IN BORROWING MONEY FOR
OPERATING COSTS, BUT I
MISUNDERSTOOD THEM, CLEARLY.
WHEN THE LIBERALS INTRODUCED
THEIR SO-CALLED FAIR HYDRO PLAN,
THE FORMER CONSERVATIVE CRITIC
FOR ENERGY, NOW THE MINISTER OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB
CREATION AND TRADE, CONDEMNED,
CONDEMNED THE HYDRO BORROWING
SCHEME AS "IT IS DECEITFUL, IT'S
DISHONEST AND IT'S SHADY."
BUT THE GOVERNMENT'S NEW PLAN IS
THE OLD LIBERAL BORROWING SCHEME
WITH A NEW LABEL ON IT, NOTHING
MORE.
HYDRO COSTS ARE GOING UP, NOT
DOWN.
FIRST, THOUGH, BY A LITTLE AND
THEN THEY WILL GO UP BY A LOT AS
WE PAY BACK THAT DEBT AND THAT
INTEREST.
ONTARIANS WILL BE STUCK WITH
BILLIONS IN DEBT WITH LITERALLY
LESS THAN NOTHING TO SHOW FOR
IT.
WILL THE MINISTER EXPLAIN WHY HE
WOULD ADOPT A WASTEFUL LIBERAL
HYDRO BORROWING SCHEME THAT HIS
PARTY ONCE CONDEMNED?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Rickford says MR. SPEAKER, THE MEMBER
OPPOSITE'S NURSERY RHYME AIN'T
WORKING FOR ME.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE HAD
AN OUTSTANDING ENERGY CRITIC,
MR. SPEAKER, AND HE TOLD THE
TRUTH ABOUT THAT UNFAIR HYDRO
PLAN, MR. SPEAKER, ABOUT ITS
LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, SOMETHING
WE THOUGHT THAT THE NDP WOULD
STAND UP AND SUPPORT, MR.
SPEAKER.
WE'VE MOVED THAT OUT TO A PLACE
WHERE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
SUBSIDY IS AND MOVING FORWARD,
MR. SPEAKER, WE'RE GOING TO
ENDEAVOUR TO CUT HYDRO RATES AS
MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
ONTARIO FAMILIES DESERVE IT.
ONTARIO BUSINESSES DESERVE IT,
MR. SPEAKER.
THE TRUST FUND COVERUP CAN BE
PART OF THE LIBERAL PARTY'S
LEGACY AND THEIRS IF THEY WANT
TO PERPETUATE IT, MR. SPEAKER,
BUT WE'RE COMMITTED TO REDUCING
THE COST OF HYDRO FOR SMALL
BUSINESSED, FOR FAMILIES AND
LARGE EMPLOYERS ACROSS THIS
PROVINCE SO WE CAN HAVE AN
ENERGY ADVANTAGE AND MAKE
ONTARIO OPEN FOR BUSINESS, MR. SPEAKER.

The Speaker says STOP THE CLOCK.
Speaker says START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION, THE MEMBER FOR
KITCHENER SOUTH HESPLER.

The caption changes to "Amy Fee. PC. Kitchener South-Hespeler."

Fee is in her late thirties, with shoulder-length straight blond hair. She wears glasses, a gray blazer and a striped black shirt.

She says MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
MINISTER OF ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, JOB CREATION, AND
TRADE.
TODAY WE ARE JOINED IN THE
GALLERY BY REPRESENTATIVES OF
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FROM ACROSS
THEIR PROVINCE INCLUDING GREG
DESROSIER FROM THE CAMBRIDGE
CHAMBER.
THEY'RE HERE TO SPEAK TO THE
IMPORTANCE OF ONTARIO BUSINESSES
AND THE CONTRIBUTIONS THEY MAKE
TO OUR COMMUNITIES.
IN MY RIDING, CHAMBER MEMBERS
EMPLOY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.
THEY GIVE TO CHARITIES, THEY
HOST EDUCATIONAL EVENTS AND SO
MUCH MORE.
COULD THE MINISTER OUTLINE FOR
THIS HOUSE WHO OUR GOVERNMENT IS
DOING TO SUPPORT CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE ACROSS THE PROVINCE.

Smith says SPEAKER, I WANT TO THANK THE
MEMBER FOR AN OUTSTANDING JOB
SHE'S DOING FOR THE RESIDENTS IN
HER RIDING, AND I WANT TO THANK
ALL OF THE LOCAL CHAMBER
REPRESENTATIVES HERE WITH US
TODAY INCLUDING THOSE FROM
KITCHENER AND ROCCO ROSSI AND
ALL OF THOSE FROM BAY OF QUINTE
AS WELL.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
WORK IN YOUR COMMUNITIES, AND
I'M THANKFUL TO HAVE A CHANCE TO
RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU DO FOR THE
BUSINESSES IN YOUR COMMUNITIES.
SINCE FORMING GOVERNMENT, WE'VE
BEEN MEETING WITH JOB CREATORS
ACROSS THE PROVINCE AND WE WANT
TO HEAR FROM THEM HOW WE CAN
MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO
CREATE JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO.
I KNOW MY TWO PARLIAMENTARY
ASSISTANTS SITTING RIGHT THERE,
DONNA SKELLY AND MICHAEL HAVE
BEEN HOSTING ROUND TABLES, MANY
OF THEM FACILITATED BY MEMBERS
OF CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE ACROSS
ONTARIO.
WE WANT TO LET OUR JOB CREATORS
KNOW THAT ONTARIO IS OPEN FOR
BUSINESS AND OPEN FOR JOBS.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Fee says BACK TO THE MINISTER, I KNOW
THE CHAMBER REPRESENTATIVES HERE
WITH US TODAY ARE GLAD THAT WE
HAVE A PREMIER AND A GOVERNMENT
WHO UNDERSTAND BUSINESS.
I SPOKE WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER
IN MY RIDING JUST THE OTHER DAY
AND SHE TOLD ME THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE
PREVIOUS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT IS
LIKE NIGHT AND DAY.
I KNOW THE PREMIER, THE MINISTER
AND OUR ENTIRE TEAM HAVE BEEN
WORKING HARD TO CREATE AN
ENVIRONMENT WHERE BUSINESSES CAN
THRIVE, GROW, AND CREATE GREAT
JOBS.
CAN THE MINISTER PLEASE OUTLINE
FOR THE HOUSE HOW WE'RE MAKING
LIFE EASIER FOR ONTARIO'S JOB CREATORS?

Smith says THANKS, MR. SPEAKER, AND
THANKS TO THE MEMBER FORET GREAT
QUESTION.
WE'VE LISTENED AS SHE SAID TO
OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.
WE HAVEN'T JUST LISTENED, MR.
SPEAKER, WE'VE ACTED ON WHAT
THEY'VE TOLD US.
THEY SAID THAT THE LIBERALS BILL
148 WAS A COMPLETE DISASTER, SO
WE SCRAPPED IT, MR. SPEAKER.
THEY TOLD US, THEY TOLD US THAT
ONTARIO NEED TO BE MORE
COMPETITIVE.
WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE RED
TAPE AND OVERREGULATION THAT'S
IN THE WAY AND THAT'S WHY WE
BROUGHT IN THE RESTORING
ONTARIO'S COMPETITIVENESS ACT,
MR. SPEAKER, WHICH IS BEFORE THE
LEGISLATURE TODAY.
WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
CREATE GOOD JOBS IN ONTARIO, MR.
SPEAKER, AND WE'VE BEEN
SUCCESSFUL AND WE'VE ONLY JUST
STARTED IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS
AS I MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES
ALREADY THIS MORNING, MR.
SPEAKER, WE CREATED 95,000 JOBS
FOR THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO.
WE'VE DOUBLED, MR. SPEAKER,
WE'VE DOUBLED LAST MONTH THE
OUTPUT OF THE ENTIRE UNITED
STATES, AND IT'S BECAUSE OUR JOB
CREATORS ARE TELLING US WHAT WE
NEED TO DO TO CREATE MORE JOBS
HERE IN ONTARIO.

The Speaker says NEXT WE, THE
MEMBER FOR WINDSOR WEST.

The caption changes to "Lisa Gretzky. NDP. Windsor West."

Gretzky is in her forties, with shoulder-length straight reddish brown hair. She wears glasses, a black blazer over a black vest, and a white shirt.

She says MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
MINISTER OF CHILDREN, COMMUNITY,
AND SOCIAL SERVICES.
TODAY PARTICIPANTS IN ONTARIO'S
BASIC INCOME PILOT WILL RECEIVE
THEIR FINAL PAYMENT.
THE CONSERVATIVES MADE AN
EXPLICIT CAMPAIGN PROMISE TO
PARTICIPANTS OF THE PILOT THAT
THEY WOULD SEE IT THROUGH.
YET ANOTHER PROMISE UNKEPT.
4,000 ONTARIANS MADE PLANS FOR
THE FUTURE WITH THE
UNDERSTANDING, THE PROMISE THAT
THIS GOVERNMENT WOULD COMPLETE
THIS FOUR-YEAR STUDY.
THEN WEEKS AFTER COMING IN TO
OFFICE WITHOUT PUBLISHING ANY
EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER, THIS
CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT BETRAYED
ONTARIANS BY CANCELLING THE
PROGRAM.
WILL THE MINISTER REVERSE HER
CALLOUS DECISION, HONOUR HER
PROMISE AND APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF
OF HER GOVERNMENT FOR SO CRUELLY
PLAYING WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES?

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
CHILDREN, COMMUNITY, AND SOCIAL
SERVICES.

MacLeod says THANKS VERY MUCH, SPEAKER.
THIS GOVERNMENT MADE A DECISION
UPON TAKING OFFICE IN LIGHT OF
THE 13 BILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT THAT WE
WERE GOING TO WIND DOWN THE
PILOT PROJECT.
THE MEMBER OPPOSITE KNOWS THIS
IS A MATTER BEFORE THE COURTS SO
I CANNOT SPEAK ABOUT THE BASIC
INCOME PILOT PROJECT IN
PARTICULAR, BUT WHAT I WILL SAY
IS THIS GOVERNMENT HAS MADE A
DECISION TO REFORM SOCIAL
ASSISTANCE.
WE INHERITED A DISJOINTED
PATCHWORK SYSTEM THAT WASN'T
SUPPORTING ONTARIANS.
ALMOST ONE MILLION ONTARIANS ARE
ON SOCIAL ASSISTANCE, IT'S A 10
MILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM YET STILL ONE IN
SEVEN ARE LIVING IN POVERTY.
WE'VE MOVED TO A MORE
MULTI-MINISTERIAL APPROACH WHERE
WE PROVIDE WRAP AROUND SUPPORTS,
TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THE
SKILLS MOVING FORWARD AND
WHETHER THAT'S THE MINISTRY OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TRADE
SO WE CAN FIND THE JOBS AND MAKE
SURE WE CAN PUT PEOPLE WHO ARE
ABLE TO WORK IN TO THOSE JOBS.
MAKE NO MISTAKE, WE BELIEVE IN
THE BEST OF ONTARIANS AND WE
BELIEVE WE CAN REFORM THIS
SYSTEM SO THAT WE HAVE BETTER
OUTCOMES FOR OUTLINE ONTARIANS.

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Gretzky says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
WHEN MINISTRY OFFICIALS WERE
ACTUALLY ASKED ABOUT ANY DATA
AVAILABLE, THEY SAID TO OUR
KNOWLEDGE, THERE ISN'T ANY.
IN FACT, THIS GOVERNMENT MADE
THIS CALLOUS DECISION ON A
FEELING.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT
EVERYONE HERE UNDERSTAND THAT
THE BASIC INCOME PILOT PROGRAM
WAS NOT A HANDOUT.
IT WAS A HAND-UP.
IT ALLOWED PEOPLE LIVING IN
POSIT TO IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY
OF LIFE.
THEY COULD BUY HEALTHY FOOD,
AFFORD THEIR MEDICATION AND GO
TO THE DENTIST.
IT AFFORDED NEW ENTREPRENEURS
SECURITY WHILE THEY SET UP A
BUSINESS VENTURE.
IT GAVE PEOPLE OF ALL AGES THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SEEK HIGHER
EDUCATION OR A DEGREE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE
IN GREAT DISTRESS.
WILL THE MINISTER APOLOGIZE,
ACTUALLY APOLOGIZE TO THE 4,000
ONTARIANS WHOSE LIVES HER
GOVERNMENT HAS CALLOUSLY UPENDED
FOR NOT HONOURING HER PROMISE?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

MacLeod says THANKS VERY MUCH, SPEAKER.
THIS GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER
APOLOGIZE FOR BEING PRO JOBS,
BEING OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND
MAKING SURE THAT EVERY ONTARIAN
THAT WE CAN LIFT UP HAS AN
OPPORTUNITY TOWARDS
SELF-RELIANCE.
WE WILL NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR THE
CREATION OF THE 95,000 NEW JOBS.
WE WILL NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR
DEVELOPING...
WHO ARE WILLING AND ABLE TO
WORK.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE
SURE WE WORK AS A GOVERNMENT
TOGETHER, NOT LIKE THE PREVIOUS
LIBERAL ADMINISTRATION THAT
MARRED PEOPLE AND TRAPPED THEM
INTO POVERTY.
SPEAKER, WE BELIEVE THAT THE
BEST SOCIAL SAFETY NET IS A
COMPASSIONATE SOCIETY WHICH IS
WHY WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER WITH
THE PRIVATE AND PHILANTHROPIC
SECT.
WE BELIEVE THE BEST SOCIAL
CIRCUMSTANCES ARE WHEN THOSE WHO
CAN WORK ARE WORKING AND,
SPEAKER, NO ONE IN THIS
GOVERNMENT WILL EVER APOLOGIZE
FOR THE BEST SOCIAL PROGRAM
WHICH IS A JOB.

The Speaker says OPPOSITION OM
COME TO ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR BRANTFORD BRANT.

The caption changes to "Will Bouma. PC. Brantford-Brant."

Bouma is in his early forties, clean-shaven, with short blond hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, blue shirt, and striped blue tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS ALSO FOR THE
MINISTER OF CHILDREN, COMMUNITY,
AND SOCIAL SERVICES AND I'D JUST
LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO COMMEND
HER FOR THE GREAT WORK SHE'S
BEEN DOING ON SOME OF OUR MOST
DIFFICULT FILES.
LAST WEEK, THE "TORONTO STAR."
REPORTED THAT BRANT FAMILY AND
SOCIAL SERVICES IS FACING
PRESSURE AND CASE MANAGERS ARE
MANAGING HIGH CASE LOADS WITH
TIGHT TIMELINES.
I HAVE HEARD FROM MY
CONSTITUENTS IN MY RIDING THAT
THEY ARE CONCERNED, PROTECTING
VULNERABLE CHILDREN IN MY RIDING
IS A PRIORITY FOR ME AND MANY
MEMBERS OF MY COMMUNITY.
CAN THE MINISTER EXPLAIN WHY
BRANT FAMILY AND CHILDREN
SERVICES IS FACING FINANCIAL
PRESSURES AND WHAT OUR
GOVERNMENT IS DOING TO SUPPORT
VULNERABLE YOUTH IN MY RIDING?
THANK YOU.

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
CHILDREN AND COMMUNITY AND
SOCIAL SERVICES.

MacLeod says THANKS VERY MUCH, THE MEMBER
OF BRANTFORD BRANT WHO HAS BEEN
A STRONG ADVOCATE SINCE ARRIVING
AT QUEEN'S PARK IN JULY.
I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR ALL OF
THE WORK HE'S BEEN DOING TO MEET
THE NEEDS OF ALL CHILDREN AND
YOUTH AND THOSE AFFECTED BY THE
MINISTRY WITHIN HIS COMMUNITY.
LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR.
THIS ISSUE PREDATES US TAKING
OFFICE IN JUNE OF 2018.
SINCE 2015, THE FORMER MINISTER
OF CHILDREN AND YOUTH SERVICES
UNDER THE PREVIOUS LIBERAL
ADMINISTRATION WAS WORKING WITH
THE BRANT CHILDREN'S AID SOCIETY
TO IDENTIFY COST REDUCTION.
THOSE CONSULTATIONS, THOSE
EFFORTS WERE UNSUCCESSFUL AND
THE BRANT CHILDREN'S AID SOCIETY
HAS CONTINUED TO DELIVER
SERVICES.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND THIS IS
WHAT I THINK MOST MEMBERS OF
THIS ASSEMBLY SHOULD BE
EXTREMELY PROUD OF, IS THE FACT
THAT WE ARE EXPANDING THE
INDIGENOUS CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM
IN THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO
INCLUDING IN HIS COMMUNITY WITH
THE FIRST NATIONS AND WE ARE
TRANSFERRING...

The Speaker says THANK YOU,
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Bouma says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THROUGH YOU, THANK YOU,
MINISTER, AND BACK TO YOU.
I'M PLEASED TO NOTE THAT OUR
INDIGENOUS CHILDREN ARE
RECEIVING CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE
CARE IN MY RIDING.
SPEAKER, WE KNOW THAT INDIGENOUS
CHILDREN ARE OVERREPRESENTED IN
ONTARIO'S CHILD AND WELFARE
SYSTEM.
MY RIDING OF BRANTFORD BRANT
INCLUDES THE SIX NATIONS OF THE
GRAND RIVER, THE LARGEST SIX
NATIONS RESERVE IN KACHLT
CANADA.
CAN THE MINISTER PLEASE TELL
THIS HOUSE WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT
FOR THE PEOPLE IS DOING TO
IMPROVE THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM
FOR OUR INDIGENOUS CHILDREN?

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
MINISTER.

MacLeod says AS I MENTIONED LAST WEEK IN
THE ASSEMBLY, I HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE UNITED
NATIONS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AS
WOMEN'S MINISTER AND ALSO
CHILDREN'S MINISTER WHERE I WAS
ABLE TO MEET WITH INDIGENOUS
LEADERS THROUGHOUT CANADA ABOUT
WHAT WE'RE DOING IN ONTARIO AND
HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH
CHILDREN IN CUSTODY AND IN CARE
THAT ARE INDIGENOUS.
WE'RE BUILDING ON I THINK WHAT
WAS THE SUCCESS, IF I MAY GIVE
THE PREVIOUS LIBERAL
ADMINISTRATION SOME CREDIT AT
ONCE.
AS MENTIONED, 18 percent OF THE
CHILDREN IN YOUR COMMUNITY ARE
MOVING TO AN INDIGENOUS-LED
MODEL, WHICH IS A CUSTOMARY
CARE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THAT'S WHY
MONEY IS MOVING TO THAT
INDIGENOUS LED CHILDREN'S AID
SOCIETY AND I'M VERY PROUD THAT
OUR GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO
CONTINUE TO EXPAND THAT WORK AND
CONTINUE TO INCLUDE THE
INDIGENOUS VOICES WITHIN OUR
MINISTRY AS WE CREATE THREE
TABLES, ONE FOR INDIGENOUS
CHILDREN IN CARE, ONE FOR
CHILDREN IN CUSTODY AND WE'RE
GOING TO EMBED WITHIN OUR
MINISTRY A CHILDREN'S ADVOCATE
IN ADDITION TO GIVING MORE
ENFORCEMENT POWERS AND
INVESTIGATIVE POWERS TO
ONTARIO'S OMBUDSMAN.

The Speaker says NEXT QUESTION,
THE MEMBER FOR WINDSOR-TECUMSEH.

The caption changes to "Percy Hatfield. NDP. Windsor-Tecumseh."

Hatfield is in his sixties, with short white hair parted in the middle and a moustache. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and checkered pink tie.

He says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE MINISTER
OF HEALTH.
GOOD MORNING, MINISTER.
NURSES AT THE WINDSOR-ESSEX
COUNTY HEALTH UNIT HAVE BEEN ON
STRIKE NOW FOR MORE THAN TWO
WEEKS.
THESE 86 WOMEN WALKED OUT ON THE
8th OF MARCH, INTERNATIONAL
WOMEN'S DAY, ALL THEY WANT IS
THE SAME WAGE INCREASE THAT THE
MEN WERE GIVEN IN WINDSOR'S MALE
DOMINATED MUNICIPAL SECTORS.
SPEAKER, WILL THE MINISTER STAND
UP FOR THESE WOMEN AND THEIR
FIGHT FOR EQUITABLE WAGES AND
TELL THE HEALTH UNIT TO GET BACK
TO WORK AND BACK TO THE
BARGAINING TABLE, WORK OUT A
FAIR AND EQUITABLE DEAL,
BECAUSE, SPEAKER, THESE NURSES
ARE HIGHLY TRAINED
PROFESSIONALS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON STRIKE.
WHAT THEY DO WANT THE SAME WAGE
INCREASE AS THE MEN WERE GIVEN.
HISTORICALLY, OUR HEALTH UNIT
HAS BEEN UNDERFUNDED BY THE
PROVINCE, BUT THAT IS NO EXCUSE
FOR MEN IN THE MUNICIPAL SECTOR
TO GET A HIGHER INCREASE THAN
THE WOMEN IN OUR PUBLIC HEALTH
UNIT.
IT'S AN ISSUE OF FAIRNESS AND AN
ISSUE OF RESPECT AND THE HEALTH
UNIT NEEDS TO RETURN TO
BARGAINING.
SPEAKER, WILL THE MINISTER PICK
UP THE PHONE, MAKE THAT CALL AND
GET THESE WOMEN BACK TO WORK.

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
HEALTH AND LONG-TERM CARE.

Elliott says THANK THE MEMBER FOR THAT
QUESTION.
I BELIEVE THAT NURSES ARE THE
BACKBONE OF OUR HEALTH CARE
SYSTEM AND RESPECT THE WORK
THEY'RE DOING.
AS YOU ALSO KNOW, THIS IS A
MATTER THAT IS BETWEEN THEM AND
THE HEALTH UNIT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN BE
INVOLVED IN, THAT WOULD NOT BE
APPROPRIATE.
BUT AS WITH YOU, I WOULD HOPE
THAT BOTH PARTIES WOULD COME
BACK TO THE TABLE SO THEY CAN
resolve this situation in fairness
to everyone involved.

Watch: Question Period: Monday, March 25, 2019