Transcript: Question Period: Tuesday, November 27, 2018 | Nov 28, 2018

A still camera shows the Ontario Legislature. A caption on screen reads "Oral questions."

The Speaker stands. He's is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short light brown hair. He wears a black robe.

The Speaker says IT IS NOW
TIME FOR ORAL QUESTIONS.
I RECOGNIZE THE LEADER OF
THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.

The caption changes to "Andrea Horwath. NDP. Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition."

Horwath is in her fifties, with straight blond hair in a bob. She wears a burgundy blazer over a mustard shirt, and a pendant necklace.

She says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

Horwath says SPEAKER, ON
BEHALF OF NEW DEMOCRATS, I WOULD
ALSO LIKE TO WELCOME HIS
EMINENCE CARDINAL COLLINS TO THE
LEGISLATURE AND ALL THOSE
FOLKS WHO ARE HERE
ADVOCATING FOR CATHOLIC
EDUCATION.
MY FIRST QUESTION, SPEAKER,
IS TO THE ACTING PREMIER.
YESTERDAY, FAMILIES IN
OSHAWA RECEIVED DEVASTATING
NEWS ABOUT GM's PLANS TO
SHUT DOWN OPERATIONS.
SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF
CONSERVATIVES IN OTTAWA,
ANDREW SCHEER SAID, QUOTE...
CONSERVATIVES AREN'T
PREPARED TO THROW IN THE
TOWEL ON THIS.
ACCOUNT ACTING PREMIER
EXPLAIN WHY CONSERVATIVES IN
QUEEN'S PARK ARE READY TO DO
EXACTLY THAT?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY
PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says MINISTER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB
CREATION AND TRADE.

The caption changes to "Honourable Todd Smith. PC. Minister of Economic Development, Job Creation and Trade."

Smith is in his late forties, balding, with a gray goatee. He wears a blue suit, white shirt, and pale blue tie.

He says THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THE
QUESTION THIS MORNING,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

Smith says IT HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT 24,
48 HOURS FOR THE FOLKS IN
OSHAWA AND IN THE DURHAM
REGION.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT
THAT.
THIS NEWS HIT HARD.
THAT'S WHY PREMIER FORD AND
MINISTERS BETHLENFALVY AND
PHILLIPS AND A NUMBER OF
OTHER MEMBERS FROM THE
DURHAM REGION WENT TO OSHAWA
LAST NIGHT TO MEET WITH THE
OUTGOING MAYOR, JOHN HENRY
AND THE INCOMING MAYOR, DAN
CARTER, AND MEMBERS OF THE
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO TALK
ABOUT HOW WE CAN PROVIDE
SUPPORTS AT THE PROVINCE OF
ONTARIO FOR THAT REGION,
WHICH IS BEING HIT SO HARD
AND A GLOBAL RESTRUCTURING,
AND I HAVE TO REITERATE
THIS.
IT'S A GLOBAL RESTRUCTURING.
AND WHEN ASKED BY THE
PREMIER IF WE COULD DO
ANYTHING TO KEEP THAT OSHAWA
FACILITY UP AND RUNNING, ON
NUMEROUS OCCASIONS WE ASKED
THE QUESTION.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, GENERAL
MOTORS HAS ANSWERED THE
DECISIONS ARE FINAL AND
UNFORTUNATELY THOSE LINES
WILL BE MOVING OUT OF
ONTARIO.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says WELL,
SPEAKER, FOR THOUSANDS OF
FAMILIES IN OSHAWA, LOSING
GM MEANS LOSING THEIR
LIVELIHOOD AND THEY'RE NOT
WILLING TO GIVE THAT UP
WITHOUT A FIGHT.
BUT THE PREMIER'S MESSAGE TO
THEM YESTERDAY WAS, QUOTE,
IT'S OVER.
IT'S DONE.
THAT SHIP HAS SAILED.
HOW CAN THE GOVERNMENT
DECLARE THAT THE JOB IS OVER
WHEN THEY THREW IN THE TOWEL
BEFORE IT HAD EVEN BEGUN?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says WELL, THANKS AGAIN FOR
THE QUESTION, MR. SPEAKER.
WE'VE BEEN ON THE GROUND IN
OSHAWA.
WE MET WITH THE MAYORS AND
THE REGIONAL COUNCIL,
SOON-TO-BE CHAIR OF THE
REGIONAL COUNCIL AND MEMBERS
OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS SO
THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE
ONTARIO OPEN FOR BUSINESS SO
THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE
DURHAM REGION REAPS THE
REWARDS OF THE CHANGES THAT
WE'RE MAKING IN ONTARIO SO
WE CAN BRING GOOD-PAYING
JOBS TO THE DURHAM REGION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT
THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO
BE EXPLORING AS THE NEW
GOVERNMENT TO ENSURE THAT
THE PEOPLE OF OSHAWA, THE
PEOPLE OF DURHAM LAND ON
THEIR FEET THAT, WE SEE NEW
INVESTMENT IN THOSE
EMPLOYMENT LANDS, AND
EMPLOYMENT LANDS ALONG THE
400 SERIES OF HIGHWAYS.
OSHAWA IS IN A GREAT
POSITION, MR. SPEAKER, TO
SEE A BRAND-NEW INVESTMENT
IN THAT COMMUNITY, GREAT
JOBS THAT ARE GOING TO
SUPPORT THE FAMILIES IN THE
DURHAM REGION.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says AND WORKING TOGETHER WITH
THE LEADERSHIP IN DURHAM
REGION, WORKING WITH THE
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, NANCY
SHAW AND HER TEAM.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE
DURHAM REGION RISE AGAIN,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says FINAL
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says WELL,
SPEAKER, WHEN I SPOKE TO THE
NEW MAYOR, HE WAS CRYSTAL
CLEAR HE WANTS TO FIGHT FOR
JOBS.
THE WORKERS AT GM ARE EVEN
CLEARER.
I QUOTE...
THEY ARE NOT CLOSING OUR
DAMN PLANT WITHOUT ONE HELL
OF A FIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT THE WORKERS ARE
SAYING.
EVEN THE CONSERVATIVE
M.P. FOR DURHAM SAID AND I
QUOTE, WE OWE IT TO THE
WORKERS AND THEIR FAMILIES
TO EXPLORE WHAT CAN BE DONE.

The Speaker says MINISTER...

Horwath says OSHAWA AS
AN AUTOMOTIVE HUB.
BUT WHEN OSHAWA LOOKED TO
THE PREMIER OF THIS PROVINCE
FOR HOPE, ALL THEY SEE IS
"IT'S OVER.
IT'S DONE."
WHEN IS THIS GOVERNMENT
GOING TO SHOW SOME
LEADERSHIP, BRING TOGETHER
WORKERS, MUNICIPAL LEADERS,
AUTO PARTS AND OTHER SUPPLY
CHAIN BUSINESSES AND START
WORKING ON A PLAN TO KEEP
THESE GOOD JOBS IN OSHAWA?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says WELL, MR. SPEAKER, I CAN
TELL YOU ONE THING WE WON'T
BE DOING IS GRANDSTANDING ON
THE BACKS OF PEOPLE WHO JUST
LOST THEIR JOBS,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, WHEN PREMIER
FORD AND OUR TEAM WERE
STANDING OUT IN FRONT OF THE
PICKERING NUCLEAR STATION
EARLIER THIS SUMMER, MAKING
SURE THAT WE WERE COMMITTED
TO SAVING 7,500 JOBS AT THAT
FACILITY, WHERE WAS THE
N.D.P?
THEY WANT TO CLOSE DOWN THE
NUCLEAR FACILITY IN
PICKERING, MR. SPEAKER.
WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING
THAT WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT
WE HAVE GOOD-PAYING JOBS ON
THE GROUND AND THAT'S WHY
WE'VE MADE THE CHANGES THAT
WE HAVE MADE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEADER
OF THE N.D.P. WANTS US TO
DO.
DOES SHE WANT US TO
NATIONALIZE AUTO JOBS IN
CANADA?
IS THAT WHAT SHE WANTS?
YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO
PROVIDE THE SUPPORTS THAT
THE WORKERS ON THE GROUND IN
OSHAWA NEED.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says WE'RE THERE.
THE MINISTER OF TRAINING,
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES
HAS HER RAPID RESPONSE TEAM
ON THE GROUND TO MAKE SURE
THOSE WHO NEED IT AT THIS
TIME OF NEED...

[APPLAUSE]


The Speaker says NEXT
QUESTION.
THE LEADER OF THE
OPPOSITION.

Horwath says THANK YOU,
SPEAKER.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS ALSO FOR
THE DEPUTY PREMIER.
BUT I HAVE TO SAY IT'S NOT
ABOUT WHAT I WANT, SPEAKER.
IT'S WHAT THE WORKERS IN
OSHAWA WANT, AND THEY WANT
FIGHTERS.

[APPLAUSE]

Horwath says THEY WANT FIGHTERS TO STAND
UP FOR THEM, NOT A
GOVERNMENT THAT GIVES UP AND
WALKS AWAY FROM THE CONCERNS
OF THESE FAMILIES HAVE.
YESTERDAY GENERAL MOTORS
SAID...

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

Horwath says GLOBAL
RESTRUCTURING WAS TO FOCUS
ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES, TO
TRANSITION TO A LOW CARBON
ECONOMY.
THEY'RE SCRAMBLING...

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

Horwath says WHERE
THEY SEE THE AUTO INDUSTRY
GOING TO CATCH UP TO WHERE
THE INDUSTRY IS GOING.
THE PREMIER'S PLAN FOR
ELECTRIC CARS SEEMS TO
CONSIST OF SCRAPPING
INCENTIVES THAT ENCOURAGE
INNOVATION AND FIGHTING
ELECTRIC CARMAKERS IN COURT.
WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT MOVING
ONTARIO OUT OF THIS SECTOR
EXACTLY WHEN CARMAKERS ARE
LOOKING TO BREAK INTO IT?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY
PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says MINISTER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB
CREATION AND TRADE.

Smith says WELL, AGAIN, MR. SPEAKER,
IT JUST SPEAKS TO THE
KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS
ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON THE
GROUND FROM THE LEADER OF
THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
WE'RE ACTUALLY REMOVING RED
TAPE IN THE INDUSTRY,
MR. SPEAKER.
WE'RE REMOVING RED TAPE THAT
IS GOING TO ALLOW FOR
TECHNOLOGY ADVANCEMENTS IN
ONTARIO, AND THAT INCLUDES
IN THE AUTOMOTIVE SECTOR,
MR. SPEAKER.
AS A MATTER OF FACT GENERAL
MOTORS.

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

Smith says IS MAKING A SIGNIFICANT
INVESTMENT IN THE TECHNOLOGY
CENTRE THAT THEY HAVE IN
MARKHAM.
THERE'S 500 JOBS THERE NOW.
GENERAL MOTORS PLANS TO
CREATE 1,000 JOBS AT THAT
MARKHAM FACILITY,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

Smith says AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
THEY'RE DOING THAT IS
BECAUSE THE ONTARIO
GOVERNMENT IS GETTING OUT OF
THE WAY AND REMOVING SOME OF
THE BARRIERS AND THE RED
TAPE THAT HAS BEEN IN THAT
SECTOR.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
TIMMINS, COME TO ORDER.

Smith says THE N.D.P. SEEMS TO...

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
WATERLOO, COME TO ORDER.

Smith says THOSE ON THE GROUND A
FALSE SENSE OF.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says I WOULD SAY THAT THAT
FALSE SENSE OF HOPE FROM THE
LEADER OF THE N.D.P. IS
DISINGENUOUS AT BEST,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE MINISTER WILL
WITHDRAW HIS UNPARLIAMENTARY
COMMENT.

Smith says WITHDRAW.

Horwath says WELL,
SPEAKER, NOTWITHSTANDING THE
WAY THAT THE GOVERNMENT'S
DECIDING TO RESPOND TO THIS,
SMART GOVERNMENT POLICY HAS
BEEN CRUCIAL IN MAKING THE
AUTO SECTOR THE LINCHPIN OF
ONTARIO'S ECONOMY FOR
DECADES.
BUT THE PREMIER HAS SHUNNED
THE IDEA OF AN AUTO STRATEGY
AND DENOUNCED JOB-CREATING
GOVERNMENT INVESTMENTS IN
INDUSTRIES LIKE THE AUTO
SECTOR.
INSTEAD HE PROPOSES NO
STRINGS ATTACHED CORPORATE
TAX GIVEAWAY THAT GO TO
COMPANIES EVEN WHEN THEY LAY
PEOPLE OFF BY THE THOUSANDS.
GIVEN THE ANNOUNCEMENT IN
OSHAWA YESTERDAY, DOES THIS
GOVERNMENT REALLY BELIEVE
THAT THIS PLAN IS WORKING?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, WE ARE DOING
EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY
CAN HERE IN THE GOVERNMENT
OF ONTARIO TO ENSURE THAT
WE'RE CREATING AN
ENVIRONMENT IN THIS PROVINCE
FOR INVESTMENTS, FOR
INVESTMENTS IN OUR AUTO
SECTOR, FOR INVESTMENTS IN
OUR MANUFACTURING SECTOR.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE
LEADER OF THE N.D.P. CAN
STAND THERE WITH A STRAIGHT
FACE AND ASK THESE QUESTIONS
WHEN WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO
DO IS PUT UP BARRIERS.

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

Smith says CORPORATE TAX INCREASES,
JACKING UP CARBON TAXES IN
THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO,
MR. SPEAKER.
THEY SUPPORTED THE LIBERAL
GOVERNMENT HAND IN GLOVE
WHEN ELECTRICITY PRICES HAVE
SOARED THROUGH THE ROOF TO
SOME OF THE HIGHNESS NORTH
AMERICA, MR. SPEAKER.
THEY SUPPORTED THEM ON BILL
148, MR. SPEAKER, A JOB
KILLER HERE IN ONTARIO.
THEY ARE GUILTY,
MR. SPEAKER.
AS AN ACCOMPLICE TO THAT
TERRIBLE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT
THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE LAST
15 YEARS.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE
THESE QUESTIONS WITH ANY...

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says STOP THE CLOCK.
ORDER.
GOVERNMENT SIDE WILL COME TO
ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
FINAL SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says SPEAKER,
IN THE LAST 24 HOURS I'VE
HAD THE CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH
UNION LEADERSHIP AND
OSHAWA'S NEW MAYOR AND OUR
M.P.P. FOR OSHAWA HAS BEEN
ON THE GROUND MEETING WITH
WORKERS AND FAMILIES
TIRELESSLY.
THEY ALL AGREE WITH WHAT
INDUSTRY EXPERTS AND PARTS
SUPPLIERS HAVE BEEN TELLING
ME FOR A LONG TIME.
ONTARIO NEEDS AN AUTO
STRATEGY, ESPECIALLY IF
WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT TO SAVE
JOBS IN OSHAWA.
WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT
SITTING ON THEIR HANDS
WITHOUT A PLAN?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, OUR PLAN IS
TO ENSURE THAT ONTARIO IS
OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND THAT
THE AUTO MANUFACTURERS,
THAT'S WHERE ALL
MANUFACTURERS, THE
TECHNOLOGY SECTOR.
I CAN TELL YOU TODAY,
MR. SPEAKER, THAT ALTHOUGH
WE GOT SOME DEVASTATING NEWS,
AND I APPRECIATE THE MEMBER
FROM OSHAWA AND THE WAY
SHE'S BEEN STANDING WITH HER
COMMUNITY AND STANDING UP
FOR HER COMMUNITY IN A
RESPECTFUL WAY, MR. SPEAKER.
WE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD.

[APPLAUSE]

Smith says AN... AND I DO WANT TO SAY
THAT WE REALLY DO WANT TO
WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE
MEMBER FROM OSHAWA, WHO HAS
BEEN AT THE HEART OF THESE
JOB LOSSES OVER THE LAST
COUPLE OF DAYS AND ENSURE
THAT THE SUPPORTS ARE THERE
FROM THE PROVINCIAL
GOVERNMENT FOR THOSE PEOPLE
ON THE GROUND IN THE DURHAM
REGION, ALONG WITH ALL OF MY
COLLEAGUES WHO REPRESENT THE
RIDINGS IN THE DURHAM
REGION, MR. SPEAKER.
BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS
CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says IN ONTARIO FOR JOB
CREATION.
WE'RE SEEING A FACILITY THAT
JUST HAD THE RIBBON CUT
TODAY.
1450 JOBS IN THE LONDON
AREA.
JUST OPENED A FACILITY 800
JOBS HERE IN DOWNTOWN
TORONTO THIS MORNING.
WE'RE MAKING A DIFFERENCE...

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
STOP THE CLOCK.
RESTART THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION.

Horwath says MY NEXT
QUESTION IS ALSO TO THE
DEPUTY LEADER.
THE FAMILIES FACING JOB
LOSSES IN OSHAWA NEED A
GOVERNMENT WITH A PLAN TO
BRING THE JOBS OF TOMORROW
HERE TO ONTARIO.
THEY NEED A SERIOUS STRATEGY
BACKED WIN VESTMENTS
DESIGNED TO CREATE AND KEEP
GOOD JOBS IN CANADA.
THEY NEED A GOVERNMENT READY
TO FIGHT FOR OSHAWA.
INSTEAD THEY HAVE A PREMIER
WHOSE PLANS FOR JOBS CONSIST
OF OVERPRICED ROAD SIGNS,
DISCOUNTED BEER AND TELLING
OSHAWA FAMILIES THAT THERE'S
NO POINT IN FIGHTING FOR
THEIR JOBS.
DOES THE ACTING PREMIER
UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS JUST
NOT GOOD ENOUGH?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY
PREMIER.

The Deputy Premier says MINISTER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB
CREATION AND TRADE.

Smith says MR. SPEAKER, IT'S REALLY
HARD TO TAKE THESE QUESTIONS
SERIOUSLY, GIVEN WHAT WE'VE
BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST FIVE
MONTHS HERE IN THE
LEGISLATURE.
WE'RE OPENING ONTARIO UP FOR
BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, IF WE...

[INTERJECTIONS]

The Speaker says ORDER.

Smith says IF WE CONTINUE ON THE
PATH THAT WE WERE ON,
MR. SPEAKER, WE WOULD HAVE
THE HIGHEST CARBON TAX IN
NORTH AMERICA IF THAT PARTY
HAD THEIR WAY.
ELEVATING THE SOARING COST
OF ELECTRICITY WOULD
CONTINUE TO BE OUTRAGEOUS IF
THIS PARTY HAD THEIR WAY.
THEY WANTED TO KILL 7,500
JOBS IN THE NUCLEAR SECTOR
IN PICKERING, THE LOW-COST
RELIABLE COST...

Interjection: CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

Smith says THE N.D.P. WOULD HAVE
KILLED 7,500 JOBS.

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

Smith says HERE THEY ARE STANDING UP,
AND WE DO FEEL CERTAINLY FOR
THE PEOPLE ON THE GROUND IN
OSHAWA BUT THEY'RE TALKING
OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF THEIR
MOUTH IN THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION, MR. SPEAKER, AND
I'LL WITHDRAW THAT.
I'LL WITHDRAW THAT.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Horwath says WELL,
SPEAKER, NOTWITHSTANDING THE
FALLACIES THAT THIS
GOVERNMENT CONTINUES TO
SPREAD, THE WOMEN AND MEN
WHO ARE FACING CATASTROPHIC
JOB LOSSES IN OSHAWA NEED A
GOVERNMENT THAT'S READY TO
STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND
HELP THEM KEEP THEIR JOBS.
INSTEAD WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT
THAT'S ASLEEP AT THE SWITCH.
INSTEAD OF SHRUGGING THEIR
SHOULDERS AND THROWING IN
THE TOWEL, WILL THIS
GOVERNMENT JOIN WITH THE
WORKERS, MUNICIPAL LEADERS,
LOCAL BUSINESSES AND
CONCERNED CITIZENS WHO ARE
READY TO ACTUALLY FIGHT THIS
DECISION AND START WORKING
ON A PLAN TO KEEP THOSE GOOD
JOBS IN OSHAWA?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says WELL, APPARENTLY THE
LEADER OF THE N.D.P. DIDN'T
HEAR MY ANSWERS EARLIER
BECAUSE WE ARE WORKING WITH
ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS...

[APPLAUSE]

Smith says THAT THE MEMBER JUST SAID.
WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT
COMMUNICATION FIRST OF ALL
WITH THE COMPANY.
WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT
COMMUNICATION WITH OUR
FEDERAL COUNTERPARTS.
WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION
WITH LEADERSHIP ON THE
GROUND, INCLUDING THE
OUTGOING MAYOR WHO WILL SOON
BE THE REGIONAL CHAIR
MR. HENRY AND THE INCOMING
MAYOR OF OSHAWA MR. CARTER.
WE MET WITH THEM LAST NIGHT.
WE'VE MET WITH NANCY SHAW,
WHO'S THE C.E.O. OF THE
OSHAWA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
WE'VE TALKED WITH OUR
COUNTERPARTS IN THE REGION,
THE MEMBER FROM OSHAWA
JENNIFER FRENCH, TO ENSURE
THAT SHE KNOWS WHAT'S
HAPPENING FROM THE
PROVINCIAL POINT OF VIEW.
OUR MINISTER OF TRAINING,
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITY.

The Speaker says ORDER.

Smith says OUR MINISTER OF THE
TREASURY BOARD, OUR MINISTER
OF THE ENVIRONMENT, LOCAL
M.P.P.s PARK AND COE AND
SMITH AND PICCINI WE WERE
ALL THERE LAST NIGHT IN A
SHOW OF SOLIDARITY.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says SO WE CAN BRING OSHAWA
BACK UP ON-TO-ITS FEET
BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO DO
WELL NOT UNDER FALSE PREMISE
BUT WITH A REAL PLAN.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says I'M GOING TO
ASK THE MINISTER ONCE AGAIN
TO WITHDRAW HIS
UNPARLIAMENTARY COMMENT.

Smith says WITHDRAWN.

The Speaker says NEXT
QUESTION.
MEMBER FOR DURHAM.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Lindsey E. Park. PC. Durham."

Park is in her twenties, with long straight blond hair. She wears a gray plaid dress.

She says SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS
FOR THE MINISTER OF ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, JOB CREATION
AND TRADE AND I WANT TO
THANK THE MINISTER AND THE
PREMIER FOR COMING TO OSHAWA
LAST NIGHT.

[APPLAUSE]

Park says YESTERDAY WAS A HARD DAY FOR
A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS AND
ACROSS DURHAM REGION.
FOR MANY, GENERAL MOTORS IS
A PART OF THE FAMILY TREE.
FOR YEARS WORKERS DID
EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO
KEEP THE PLANT OPEN.
HOWEVER, YESTERDAY "THE WALL
STREET JOURNAL" SUMMARIZED
THE PROBLEM WHEN IT SAID
CANADA IS AMONG THE MOST
EXPENSIVE COUNTRIES IN THE
WORLD TO BUILD CARS AND THE
HIGHEST COST MARKET FOR CAR
ASSEMBLY IN THE NORTH
AMERICA FREE TRADE ZONE.
SPEAKER, ACCOUNT MINISTER
TELL THE HOUSE WHAT OUR
GOVERNMENT IS DOING TO MAKE
ONTARIO MORE COMPETITIVE AND
BRING BUSINESSES TO ONTARIO?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB
CREATION AND TRADE.

Smith says THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION,
MR. SPEAKER, AND I THANK THE
MEMBER FROM DURHAM FOR THE
QUESTION THIS MORNING.
I WANT TO STRESS THAT WHAT
THE MEMBER STATED IS
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
TIME AND TIME AGAIN CANADIAN
AUTO WORKERS AT GENERAL
MOTORS WERE MEASURED AS THE
MOST EFFICIENT AND THE MOST
EFFECTIVE ON THE CONTINENT.
THIS IS A GLOBAL MARKETPLACE
AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR OUR
WORKERS TO COMPETE.
WE HAVE TO COMPETE AS A
PROVINCE, MR. SPEAKER.
FOR 15 YEARS, WE JUST
DIDN'T.
BUT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS,
THIS GOVERNMENT HAS REPEALED
BILL 148.
THE FINANCE MINISTER HAS
WORKED TO CREATE A LOWER TAX
RATE AND ACCELERATE CAPITAL
COST DEPRECIATION HERE IN
ONTARIO, MR. SPEAKER.
THE ENERGY MINISTER...

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
WATERLOO, COME TO ORDER.

Smith says IS ON A CRUSADE TO UNDO
THE LAST DECADE OF
DESTRUCTION THAT MADE ENERGY
POVERTY A REALITY NOT JUST
TO PEOPLE ON THE GROUND BUT
FOR OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY
IN ONTARIO AS WELL.
MR. SPEAKER, ONTARIO IS.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE.
THAT'S HOW WE BRING BUSINESS
HERE AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE
GOING TO KEEP GOOD JOBS HERE
IN ONTARIO.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Park says SPEAKER, I WANT TO THANK
THE MINISTER FOR HIS ANSWER.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
DAVENPORT, COME TO ORDER.

Park says BACK IN MAY, THE C.E.O.
OF MAGNA HAD THIS TO SAY
ABOUT THE AUTO SECTOR IN
ONTARIO.
I GET VERY FRUSTRATED WHEN I
SEE THE DECISIONS BEING MADE
THAT PUT UNDUE
ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND
INEFFICIENCIES ON OUR
PLANTS.
SPECIFICALLY HERE IN ONTARIO,
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COMPETE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET
BUSINESS IF WE'RE FORCED TO
BE UNCOMPETITIVE.
I'M GLAD OUR GOVERNMENT IS
TAKING THE CHALLENGES FACED
BY THE AUTO SECTOR SERIOUSLY.
BUT SOME CHALLENGES, LIKE
TARIFFS, REQUIRE THE
CO-OPERATION OF THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IN ORDER TO KEEP
PLANTS OPEN HERE IN ONTARIO.
CAN THE MINISTER UPDATE THE
HOUSE ON OUR EFFORTS TO
FIGHT TARIFFS AND PROTECT
ONTARIO'S AUTO SECTOR?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says SPEAKER, THE MEMBER FROM
DURHAM HAS HIGHLIGHTED AN
IMPORTANT PART OF THE
EQUATION HERE, AND THAT IS
THE ALUMINUM AND STEEL
TARIFFS THAT REMAIN IN PLACE
EVEN AFTER THE SIGNING OF
THE USMCA.
THE AVERAGE CAR CROSSES THE
BORDER SEVEN TIMES BEFORE
IT'S FULLY ASSEMBLED AND
TARIFFS ON STEEL MAKE LIFE
HARDER FOR PARTS
MANUFACTURERS AND CAR
MANUFACTURERS TO DO THEIR
JOBS.
SINCE COMING TO GOVERNMENT
ON JUNE 29th, ONTARIO SENT
DEPUTATIONS TO THE UNITED
STATES CONGRESSIONAL
COMMITTEES.
WE WORK WITH STATE
GOVERNMENTS AND OUR
COUNTERPARTS THERE.
AND JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO
I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION
WITH THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR,
KELLY CRAFT, TO TALK ABOUT
OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
UNITED STATES AND HOW
IMPORTANT THAT IS ON BOTH
SIDES OF THE BORDER.
WE'RE CALLING ON THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT, MR. SPEAKER, TO
PRESS THE AMERICANS TO LIFT
SECTION 232.
THOSE ARE THE TARIFFS ON
STEEL AND ALUMINUM, BECAUSE
KEEPING THEM.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says IN PLACE, MR. SPEAKER, IS
HARMING OUR AUTO
MANUFACTURING ON BOTH SIDES
OF THE BORDER.
IT'S A WIN-WIN TO REMOVE
THOSE TARIFFS FOR THE U.S.
AND FOR US HERE IN ONTARIO.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR OSHAWA.

The caption changes to "Jennifer French. NDP. Oshawa."

French is in her thirties, with shoulder-length ash-blond hair. She wears a black cardigan over a patterned black dress.

She says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

French says MY QUESTION IS TO THE ACTING
PREMIER.
AS EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM
KNOWS, YESTERDAY MY
COMMUNITY WAS ROCKED BY THE
NEWS THAT GM IS INTENDING
TO CLOSE OPERATIONS IN
OSHAWA.
OSHAWA CARES WORK STARTED IN
OSHAWA 140 YEARS AGO, BECAME
THE CORNERSTONE OF GM AND
GM CANADA JUST CELEBRATED
100 YEARS IN OSHAWA.
I WAS THERE.
WE HAD A LONG ALONG STORY OF
COMMITMENT AND THIS IS
DEVASTATING NEWS.
WORDS CANNOT EXPRESS HOW MY
COMMUNITY IS FEELING BUT
THEY ARE FEELING... YOU KNOW
OSHAWA DIDN'T BUILD GM...
EXCUSE ME, YES IT DID.
OSHAWA BUILT GM FROM THE
BEGINNING.
IT WAS A DREAM AND AN IDEA,
AND THEY NOW CAN HAVE A
GLOBAL CONVERSATION BECAUSE
OF THEIR COMMUNITY'S START.
THIS GOVERNMENT TALKS ABOUT
WANTING TO CREATE GOOD JOBS.
WE HAVE THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
THEM IN OSHAWA AND ONCE
THEY'RE GONE THEY'RE GONE
FOREVER.
PEOPLE OF OSHAWA ARE FEELING
ABANDONED BY THEIR EMPLOYER.
THEY DON'T WANT TO FEEL
ABANDONED BY THEIR
GOVERNMENT.
AND TO FIND OUT THAT THE
PREMIER COMES IN, YOU KNOW,
IN... AFTER DINNER TIME AND
HAS A HUGE MEETING WITH ALL
OF THE FOLKS, BUT NONE OF
THEM FROM LABOUR, AND I
WOULD HAVE BROUGHT MY OWN
CHAIR HAD I BEEN INVITE.
I WAS IN OSHAWA ALL DAY.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION WITH THIS
GOVERNMENT.

Interjection: SHAMEFUL.

French says SO THE QUESTION I WANT TO
KNOW NOW IS WILL THIS
GOVERNMENT TALK TO WORKERS?
WILL THIS GOVERNMENT PROTECT
THESE JOBS BEFORE IT'S TOO
LATE?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says DEPUTY
PREMIER.

The deputy Premier says MINISTER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB
CREATION AND TRADE.

Smith says THANKS, SPEAKER, AND
THANKS TO THE DEPUTY PREMIER
AS WELL.
AND THANKS TO THE MEMBER
FROM OSHAWA FOR THE QUESTION
THIS MORNING.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW
DIFFICULT IT IS FOR HER
LOSING THESE KINDS OF JOBS
THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR
LITERALLY A CENTURY IN
OSHAWA.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK TO THE MEMBER
YESTERDAY MORNING, ALONG
WITH THE MEMBER FROM LONDON
WEST, TO UPDATE THEM ON HOW
THINGS WERE PROCEEDING AND
THE MESSAGES THAT WE HAD
BEEN GETTING FROM BOTH GM
CANADA AND GM GLOBAL.
I KNOW THAT THE PREMIER HAD
AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO
LABOUR OVER THE LAST COUPLE
OF DAYS WITH MR. DIAS AND
UNIFOR AND TALK ABOUT WHAT
THIS MEANS FOR THE LABOUR
FORCE IN OSHAWA AND
EXPRESSED TO HIM CERTAINLY
OUR DISPLEASURE WITH THE
DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE BY
GM BUT TO THE ALSO EXPLAIN
THAT WE HAD ASKED GM IF
THERE WAS ANYTHING WE COULD
POSSIBLY DO TO REVERSE THIS
DECISION THAT'S PART OF A
GLOBAL RESTRUCTURING.
THIS WASN'T A KNEE-JERK
REACTION.
CERTAINLY WE'VE SEEN THE
EIGHT PLANTS ACROSS, WELL,
NORTH AMERICA AND AROUND THE
WORLD ARE CLOSING AS A
RESULT OF THIS.
OUR COMMITMENT IS.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says THAT OUR TEAM IS GOING TO
WORK WITH FOLKS ON THE
GROUND IN OSHAWA, INCLUDING
THE MEMBER OPPOSITE, TO
ENSURE WE HAVE A POSITIVE
OUTCOME FOR THE OSHAWA
REGION, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

French says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
MR. SPEAKER.
I WANT TO LET EVERYONE IN MY
COMMUNITY AND IN THIS HOUSE
KNOW THAT I'M NOT GOING TO
GIVE UP THE FIGHT TO KEEP
THESE JOBS IN OSHAWA.

[APPLAUSE]

French says YESTERDAY, YESTERDAY WAS AN
UNBELIEVABLY CHALLENGING
DAY.
WE HAVE MANY AHEAD OF US.
I SPENT TIME WITH THE
WORKERS, WHO ARE MY FRIENDS.
THEY'RE MY NEIGHBOURS.
AND WE ARE REELING.
WE ARE REELING.

[Clears throat]

Her voice breaks as she says OUR COMMUNITY...

[Some applause]

French says NO, NO.
I HAVE TO GET THIS OUT.
OUR COMMUNITY IS BUILDING
FANTASTIC VEHICLES AND WANTS
TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT WORK
AND TO HAVE THOSE GREAT
JOBS.
ON THE DAY WE GET THE NEWS
OF A CLOSURE ON THE HORIZON
IS REALLY TOUGH BUT TO HEAR
THE PREMIER ANNOUNCE AFTER
ONE CONVERSATION WITH GM
CANADA AND THAT THE SHIP HAS
LEFT THE DOCK OF THE PREMIER
JUMPED STRAIGHT TO DAMAGE
CONTROL AND SKIPPED RIGHT
OVER THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE
UNTIL DECEMBER 2019 AND THAT
IS LIKE TAPPING OUT BEFORE
YOU EVEN GET IN THE RING.
WE WANT A PREMIER AND A
GOVERNMENT THAT IS WILLING
TO FIGHT TO PROTECT OUR JOBS,
NOT TO FOLD LIKE A CHEAP
SUIT SO OSHAWA WILL FIGHT TO
PROTECT OUR JOBS.
WE INVITE THE PROVINCE TO
STAND ALONGSIDE US AND,
SPEAKER, WILL THIS PREMIER
STAND WITH WORKERS AND FIGHT
TO KEEP GOOD JOBS IN ONTARIO
AND OSHAWA?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Smith says SPEAKER, THANKS FOR THE
QUESTION, AND I CERTAINLY DO
UNDERSTAND HOW UPSETTING AND
DISAPPOINTING AND
HEARTBREAKING THIS IS FOR
FAMILIES RIGHT ACROSS THE
DURHAM REGION, AND THE
PREMIER SAID SO YESTERDAY AS
WELL.
THIS IS SUCH A STRESSFUL
TIME FOR FAMILIES,
ESPECIALLY HEADING INTO THE
CHRISTMAS PERIOD.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING
EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN AS
THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO TO
ENSURE THAT GENERAL MOTORS
CONTINUES TO HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT PRESENCE IN
ONTARIO.
THEY DO HAVE THE CAMI
FACILITY IN INGERSOLL.
THEY HAVE THE ENGINE PLANT.

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

Smith says IN St. CATHARINES.
THE TECHNOLOGY CENTRE IN
MARKHAM AND IN OSHAWA.
THE HEADQUARTERS IS GOING TO
REMAIN IN OSHAWA.
WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE
HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP SO
THAT WE CAN SEE FURTHER
EXPANSION OF GENERAL MOTORS
AND THAT THE WORKERS AT
GENERAL MOTORS NOW, YOU KNOW,
ONE OF THE LINES IS SHUTTING
DOWN IN JUNE.
THE OTHER TWO LINES ARE TO
SHUT DOWN OR HAVE
UNALLOCATED RESOURCES AT THE
END OF DECEMBER.
WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT
WE CAN TO SUPPORT THOSE
PEOPLE ON THE GROUND.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Smith says AND ENSURE THAT WE CAN
HAVE NEW JOBS AND NEW HOPE
FOR THE PEOPLE IN OSHAWA
WITH OUR PLAN TO MAKE
ONTARIO OPEN FOR BUSINESS,
MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR WHITBY.

The caption changes to "Lorne Coe. PC. Whitby."

Coe is in his late sixties, clean-shaven, with short white hair. He wears a black suit, white shirt, and yellow tie.

He says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE
MINISTER OF TRAINING,
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.
I AND MANY ONTARIANS WERE
SADDENED TO LEARN OF THE
PLANNED CLOSURE OF THE
GENERAL MOTORS PLANT IN
OSHAWA.
I KNOW THAT THIS WILL IMPACT
THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES IN
OSHAWA, THE G.T.A. AND
EASTERN ONTARIO.
MANY OF WHOM, SPEAKER, HAVE
WORKED AT GM FOR YEARS.
AND HAVE BECOME HIGHLY
TRAINED PROFESSIONAL
WORKERS.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO TAKE
PRIDE IN THEIR WORK AND KNOW
THAT IT'S CRUCIAL THAT THEY
RETURN TO THE WORK FORCE AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE.
MANY OF THE AFFECTED WORKERS
WILL NEED HELP TO LEARN NEW
SKILLS TO REJOIN THE WORK
FORCE IN A NEWLY HIGHLY
SKILLED POSITION.
CAN THE MINISTER TELL US
WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS
DOING TO ENSURE THAT THE
WORKERS AT GM WILL HAVE
THE SUPPORTS THEY NEED TO
RESKILL AND FIND ANOTHER
JOB?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
TRAINING, COLLEGES AND
UNIVERSITIES.

The caption changes to "Honourable Merrilee Fullerton. PC. Minister of Training, Colleges and Universities."

Fullerton is in her forties, with long wavy blond hair and bangs. She wears a navy blue blazer.

She says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

Fullerton says THANK YOU TO THE MEMBER FROM
WHITBY FOR THAT QUESTION.
SPEAKER, FIRST I WANT TO
EXPRESS MY SYMPATHY FOR THE
THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES WHO
WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE
CLOSURE AT GM
WHEN THE GOVERNMENT LEARNED
ABOUT THE PLANNED CLOSURE,
PREMIER FORD AND I DIRECTED
OFFICIALS TO REACH OUT TO
GM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE
AND INITIATE THE RAPID
REEMPLOYMENT TRAINING
SERVICES PROGRAM.
AND UNDER THAT PROGRAM, MY
MINISTER, MY MINISTRY WILL
BE IN REGULAR CONTACT WITH
GM AND ENSURE THAT THEY
AND THEIR EMPLOYEES HAVE THE
INFORMATION ABOUT TRAINING
SERVICES.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR BRAMPTON NORTH, COME TO ORDER.

Fullerton says I WILL MAKE SURE THAT
SERVICES AND TRAINING
NECESSARY ARE READILY
AVAILABLE SO THAT IMPACTED
EMPLOYEES CAN REJOIN THE
WORK FORCE AS SOON AS
POSSIBLE.
NO DOUBT THERE WILL BE
DIFFICULT TIMES.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Fullerton says AHEAD BUT I CAN ASSURE
THE MEMBER AND THE AFFECTED
FAMILIES THAT THEY HAVE MY
COMMITMENT.
WE WILL BE THERE FOR THEM TO
HELP THEM GET BACK ON THEIR
FEET.
THANK YOU, SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Coe says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
AND THANK YOU TO THE
MINISTER FOR THAT THOUGHTFUL
RESPONSE.
I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT OUR
GOVERNMENT IS ALREADY
GETTING INVOLVED THROUGH
THIS RAPID REEMPLOYMENT
TRAINING SERVICES PROGRAM
AND ASKING ALL LEVELS OF
GOVERNMENT TO WORK TOGETHER
TO HELP IMPACT FAMILIES WITH
SUPPORT, ASSISTANCE AND
RELIEF THEY NEED.
MANY OF THE WORKERS WILL
NEED HELP TO LEARN NEW
SKILLS TO REJOIN THE WORK
FORCE IN A NEWLY HIGHLY
SKILLED POSITION.
HOWEVER, SPEAKER, THERE'S
SOME PEOPLE CALLING ON THE
GOVERNMENT TO DO MORE, TO
REVERSE THIS UNFORTUNATE
BUSINESS DECISION BY GENERAL
MOTORS, WHICH IS AFFECTING
PLANTS IN THE UNITED STATES
AS WELL AS THE OSHAWA GM
PLANT.
CAN THE MINISTER OF LABOUR
EXPLAIN WHAT ELSE OUR
GOVERNMENT HAS DONE TO
PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO THE
WORKERS AFFECTED BY THE
PLANNED CLOSURE IN 2019?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.
MINISTER OF TRAINING,
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.

Fullerton says MINISTER OF LABOUR.

The Speaker says REFERRED TO
THE MINISTER OF LABOUR.

The caption changes to "Honourable Laurie Scott. PC. Minister of Labour."

Scott is in her mid-fifties, with blond hair in a bob. She wears a purple blazer over a white blouse.

She says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER,
AND I WANT TO THANK THE
MEMBER FROM WHITBY FOR THE
QUESTION AND EXPRESS MY
SYMPATHY FOR ALL THE
FAMILIES WHO WILL BE
IMPACTED BY THIS PLANNED
GM CLOSURE.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
TIMMINS, COME TO ORDER.

Scott says IN MY RIDING OF
HALIBURTON, KAWARTHA LAKES BROCK.

The Speaker says COME TO ORDER.

Scott says WHO HAVE WORKED OR
RETIRED FROM THE OSHAWA
ASSEMBLY PLANT, AND I CAN
REASSURE MEMBERS THAT OUR
GOVERNMENT HAS ACTED QUICKLY
TO FIND WAYS TO ASSIST THOSE
WORKERS THAT HAVE BEEN
IMPACTED BY THIS PLANNED
CLOSURE.
UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR
PREMIER FORD, OUR GOVERNMENT
HAS ASKED THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO IMMEDIATELY
EXTEND EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE
ELIGIBILITY BY FIVE WEEKS TO
A MAXIMUM OF 50 WEEKS IN THE
IMPACTED E.I. REGIONS.
WE'VE ALSO ASKED THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO EXTEND THE
DURATION OF WORK-SHARING
AGREEMENTS BY AN ADDITIONAL
38 WEEKS TO A TOTAL OF 76
WEEKS AND ALLOW FOR
IMMEDIATE REAPPLICATION FOR
EXPIRED AGREEMENTS.
OUR GOVERNMENT IS TAKING.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Scott says THESE MEASURES TO ENSURE
OUR IMPACTED WORKERS IN THE
AUTO SECTOR CAN FULLY ACCESS
E.I. BENEFITS WHEN THEY NEED
THEM MOST.
MR. SPEAKER, WE ARE THERE
FOR THE FAMILIES AND THE
WORKERS IMPACTED.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR KIIWETINOONG.

The caption changes to "Sol Mamakwa. NDP. Kiiwetinoong."

Mamakwa is in his thirties, clean-shaven, with short black hair. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and patterned red tie.

He says MIIGWETCH.

Mamakwa pronounces a phrase in an indigenous language.

In English, he continues
MY QUESTION IS FOR MINISTER
OF CHILDREN, COMMUNITY AND
SOCIAL SERVICES.
A BIG PART OF PROVINCIAL
ADVOCATE FOR CHILDREN AND
YOUTH ADVOCACY ROLE IS
ADDRESSING SYSTEMIC ISSUES
IMPACTING FIRST NATIONS
CHILDREN AND YOUTH.
THE ACT ITSELF HIGHLIGHTS
THE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO
FIRST NATIONS CHILDREN.
THIS IS PARTICULARLY
IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE IN
THE FAR NORTH, WHERE IN 2017,
WE LOST 38 CHILDREN AND
YOUTH TO SUICIDE.
SO, MR. SPEAKER, THE
QUESTION IS, WITHOUT ACCESS
TO A PROVINCIAL CHILD
ADVOCATE TODAY, WHO WILL
FIRST NATIONS CHILDREN AND
FAMILIES REACH OUT TO WHEN
THE SYSTEM IS FAILING THEM
OR WHEN THEY ARE FALLING
THROUGH THE CRACKS?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
MINISTER OF CHILDREN
COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL
SERVICE.

The caption changes to "Honourable Lisa MacLeod. PC. Minister of Children, Community and Social Services."

MacLeod is in her forties, with shoulder-length, curly blond hair. She wears a blue suit.

She says THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THE QUESTION.
MIIGWETCH.
I APPRECIATED THE
OPPORTUNITY TO RISE TODAY TO
RISE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR
GOVERNMENT IS DOING IN ORDER
TO STRENGTHEN ACCOUNTABILITY
IN CHILDREN'S AID SOCIETIES,
AS WELL AS THOSE FOR
CHILDREN IN CUSTODY ACROSS
THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.
OUR MOST VULNERABLE CHILDREN
DESERVE BETTER, AND WE WILL
BE HOLDING THOSE RESPONSIBLE
FOR THOSE CHILDREN TO A
HIGHER STANDARD, AND A
STRONGER ACCOUNTABILITY
MECHANISM BY ENSURING THAT
THERE'S AN INVESTIGATIVE
UNIT WITHIN THE OMBUDSMAN'S
OFFICE.

The Speaker says ORDER.

MacLeod says THAT IS DEDICATED TO
CHILDREN.
IT WILL BE.

The Speaker says ORDER.

MacLeod says BUT THERE'S MORE THAT
WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AS A
GOVERNMENT.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO
IMPROVING THE OUTCOMES OF
ONTARIO'S CHILD PROTECTION
SYSTEM THROUGH THE CREATION
OF THREE NEW TABLES
DEDICATED TO SHARING IDEAS
OF EMPOWERMENT THAT WORK
STARTED LAST WEEK.

The Speaker says OPPOSITION,
COME TO ORDER.

MacLeod says TO MOVE FORWARD.
I'M PLEASED AND I'LL TALK
MORE ABOUT IT IN THE
SUPPLEMENTAL BUT WE WILL
ENSURE THERE WILL BE AN
INDIGENOUS LED TABLE.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

MacLeod says THE MEMBER OPPOSITE AS
WELL AS THE MINISTER OF
INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS AS WE
MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS NEW
MODEL.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Mamakwa says THE QUESTION IS TO THE
MINISTER OF CHILDREN YOUTH
AND SOCIAL SERVICE AGAIN.
MR. SPEAKER, TABLES ARE FINE,
BUT THEY ARE NO SUBSTITUTE
TO HAVING AN INDEPENDENT
OFFICE OF THIS LEGISLATURE
TO ADVOCATE FOR AND WITH OUR
YOUTH.
THAT'S WHAT THE FEATHERS OF
HOPE INITIATIVE IS.
THAT'S WHAT THE INDEPENDENT
ADVOCATE DID WHEN THERE WAS
AN INQUEST INTO SEVEN YOUTH
DEATHS WHO DIED IN THUNDER
BAY.
WITHOUT AN INDEPENDENT CHILD
ADVOCATE MANDATED TO FOCUS
ON FIRST NATIONS CHILDREN
AND YOUTH, HOW WILL ONTARIO
ENSURE THAT THE CHILDREN AND
OTHERS FROM THE FAR NORTH
ARE GIVEN EVERY OPPORTUNITY
TO GROW AND FLOURISH?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MEMBERS,
TAKE THEIR SEATS.
MINISTER.

MacLeod says THANKS VERY MUCH,
SPEAKER.
AGAIN I APPRECIATE THE
QUESTION FROM THE MEMBER
OPPOSITE.
WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS
STRONGER, MORE ROBUST
ACCOUNTABILITY MECHANISM FOR
THOSE WHO MAY SEEK TO HARM
CHILDREN AND WHO ARE NOT
THERE.
WE ARE ENSURING THAT THE
OMBUDSMAN, WHO IS THE CHIEF
INVESTIGATOR IN THIS AREA
NOW, THAT HE WILL HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE MORE
CHILD PROTECTION MECHANISMS
WHILE ENSURING THAT THERE IS
AN ADVOCACY COMPONENT WITHIN
OUR OFFICE.
I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR
TO THE MEMBERS OPPOSITE WHO
DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT
INVESTIGATION COMPONENTS AND
OVERSIGHT ARE...

[INTERJECTIONS]

The Speaker says ORDER.

MacLeod says AS OPPOSED...
LAST YEAR ALONE THE
OMBUDSMAN RECEIVED 357
COMPLAINTS FROM THE
CHILDREN'S AID SOCIETY AND
HE HAD TO REFER THEM TO THE
CHILD ADVOCATE.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
TIMMINS.

MacLeod says STRONG AND INVESTIGATIVE
COMPONENT.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
HAMILTON MOUNTAIN, COME TO
ORDER.

[INTERJECTIONS]

MacLeod says THE OMBUDSMAN'S EXPANDED
OVERSIGHT CAPABILITIES WILL
REMAIN AND WE WILL ENSURE
THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE
GREATER.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

MacLeod says CHILD PRO PECKS.
I WANT... PROTECTION.
ANY REPORTS WILL BE SENT
OVER TO THE OMBUDSMAN FOR
GREATER OVERSIGHT AND
ACCOUNTABILITY AND WE'RE
GOING TO TAKE ACTION
IMMEDIATELY.
THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR Orléans.

The caption changes to "Marie-France Lalonde. Liberal. Orléans."

Lalonde is in her forties, with straight brown hair in a bob and bangs. She wears a printed gray blouse.

She says speaks French and a translator says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
IT'S FOR THE MINISTER OF THE
ELDERLY.

[End of Translation]

In English, Lalonde continues
90-YEAR-OLD WOMAN THIS MORNING.
SHE'S HERE AT THE PROVINCIAL
COUNCIL OF WOMEN OF ONTARIO
WHO LIVES WITH VERY LIMITED
MEANS AND NEEDS TO BE
SUPPORTED BY HER BROTHER.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH MANY
SENIORS IN THE COMMUNITY OF
ORLéANS AND ACROSS THE
PROVINCE WHO ARE ACTUALLY
UNSURE ABOUT WHAT THE FALL
ECONOMIC STATEMENT MEANS
ABOUT THEIR FINANCES AND
THEIR FUTURE.
THEY ARE WORRIED THAT THIS
GOVERNMENT WILL NOT BE THERE
FOR THEM, AND WHEN THEY NEED
IT MOST.
SPEAKER, AS SOME OF YOU KNOW
I USED TO OWN A RETIREMENT
RESIDENCE.
I UNDERSTAND THE AGING
PROCESS WELL, AND I KNOW HOW
IT AFFECTS FAMILIES.
MR. SPEAKER, DOES THE
MINISTER AND HIS GOVERNMENT
BELIEVE IN SUPPORTING
SENIORS WHOSE POPULATION IS
EXPECTED TO DOUBLE BY 2041?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER FOR
SENIORS AND ACCESSIBILITY.

The Minister rises. He's in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with short side-parted black hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and striped burgundy tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THANK YOU FOR THE VERY
IMPORTANT QUESTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO REFER YOUR
QUESTION TO THE MINISTER OF
SOCIAL SERVICES.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
CHILDREN...

MacLeod says I WANT TO APPLAUD THE
MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR
SENIORS WHO'S DOING A
TREMENDOUS JOB ON BEHALF OF
THEM.

[APPLAUSE]

MacLeod says I BELIEVE IN...

[UNCLEAR]

MacLeod says FALL ECONOMIC STATEMENT WAS
VERY CLEAR ON HOW WE'RE
GOING TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO
ARE LIMITED INCOME WITH THE
LIFT PROGRAM THAT OUR
MINISTER OF FINANCE ROLLED
OUT.
THIS PAST WEEK, WE WERE
PREPARED TO ROLL OUT MORE
CHANGES ON SOCIAL ASSISTANCE
SO THAT ONTARIO'S MOST
VULNERABLE WILL HAVE A FAST
WAY TO GET OUT OF POVERTY
RATHER THAN... I JUST WANT
TO POINT OUT TO THE MEMBER
OPPOSITE, DURING THE TIME
THAT HER GOVERNMENT WAS IN
OFFICE, ONE IN SEVEN
ONTARIANS WERE STRUGGLING IN
POVERTY AND THEY WERE STUCK
THERE.
WHAT WE ARE OFFERING AS A
GOVERNMENT IS A
MULTIMINISTERIAL APPROACH
WHERE WE WORK TOGETHER AS
THE MINISTER OF HEALTH, THE
MINISTER OF FINANCE, THE
MINISTER OF HOUSING, THE
MINISTER OF EDUCATION, THE
MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR
SENIORS.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

s MacLeod says ays THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER
BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT
EACH INDIVIDUAL IN ONTARIO
NEEDS TO BE LIFTED UP AS
BEST THEY POSSIBLY CAN.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Lalonde says SO, MR. SPEAKER, I
APPRECIATE THE MINISTER.
I'M QUITE DISAPPOINTED THE
ACTUAL MINISTER OF SENIORS
AFFAIRS COULDN'T STAND YOU
AND SPEAK ON SENIORS' ISSUE.
MAYBE LIKE THE MINISTER OF
FRANCOPHONE AFFAIRS ACTUALLY.
WELL, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS
THE SENIORS I SPOKE WITH
DON'T ONLY WANT TO BE LOOK
AT THROUGH THE LENS OF
HEALTH CARE OR ANY OTHERS.
THEY'RE NOT FEELING
SUPPORTED BY THIS GOVERNMENT.
THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
LIFT ACT PLAN THAT DOES NOT
APPLY TO LOW-INCOME
PENSIONERS.
THEY'VE BEEN TOLD IT ONLY
APPLIES TO EMPLOYMENT
INCOME.
THIS MEANS THE EXACT CREDIT
IS NOT GOING TO BE HELPING
MANY PEOPLE IN ONE OF THE
FASTEST GROWING GROUPS OF
THE POPULATION OF ONTARIO.
SPEAKER, SENIORS WANT TO
PARTICIPATE AND CONTRIBUTE
ACTIVELY TO THEIR
COMMUNITIES.
SO DOES THE MINISTER REALLY
THINK THAT A SINGLE SENIOR,
SOMETIMES... AND I WOULD SAY
IN THE VAST MAJORITY WOMEN
WHO HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR
SPOUSES EARNING UNDER
30,000 A YEAR IN PENSION
INCOME.

The Speaker says QUESTION.

Lalonde says DOES NOT DESERVE SUPPORT?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

MacLeod says SPEAKER, THIS GOVERNMENT
HAS ALL BEEN ABOUT
SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE OF
ONTARIO SINCE WE TOOK
OFFICE.

[APPLAUSE]

MacLeod says WE ARE...
REVERSING SOME OF THE MOST
DAMAGING CUTS AND DAMAGING
POLICIES THE GOVERNMENT...

[UNCLEAR]

MacLeod says INCLUDING SOCIAL ASSISTANCE
WHERE FOR 15 YEARS THEY
OPERATED...
DISJOINTED PATCHWORK
SYSTEM...

[UNCLEAR]

MacLeod says LIVING IN POVERTY INCLUDING
PEOPLE IN THIS PROVINCE.
IN OVER 15 YEARS, FOR THE
FIRST TIME, THIS GOVERNMENT
BROUGHT FROM ACROSS THE
BOARD 1.5 percent INCREASE IN
ONTARIO WORKS AND ODSP.

The Speaker says OPPOSITION,
COME TO ORDER.

MacLeod says THAT'S WHY THIS
GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO BE
PUTTING MORE PEOPLE BACK TO
WORK BY SUPPORTING THEM AND
NOT IGNORING THEM AND
EMPOWERING THEM AND MAKING
SURE...

[UNCLEAR]

The Speaker says OPPOSITION,
COME TO ORDER.

MacLeod says DURING THE 13 YEARS I SAT
IN OPPOSITION OVER THERE,
WATCHED THEM SQUANDER.
SHAME ON THEM.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says RESPONSE.
THE HOUSE WILL COME TO
ORDER.
THE HOUSE WILL COME TO
ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
MEMBER FOR PARRY
SOUND-MUSKOKA.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Norman Miller. PC. Parry-Sound-Muskoka."

Miller is in his fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and red tartan tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
MINISTER OF ENERGY, NORTHERN
DEVELOPMENT AND MINES.
I KNOW OUR GOVERNMENT FOR
THE PEOPLE HAS BEEN WORKING
HARD TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF
EVERYONE WHO CALLS ONTARIO
HOME.
WE ARE CUTTING RED TAPE,
MAKING RESPONSIBLE
INVESTMENTS AND MAKING SURE
THAT WE GET OUR ECONOMY
GOING AGAIN.
MR. SPEAKER, 15 YEARS OF THE
LIBERAL GOVERNMENT HAS MADE
IT A VERY DIFFICULT TASK.
I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES AND I
ARE UP TO THE JOB.
WE ARE INVESTING IN LOCAL
BUSINESSES THAT HELP
COMMUNITIES GROW.
MR. SPEAKER, CAN THE
MINISTER PLEASE TELL THE
MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE ABOUT
HOW OUR GOVERNMENT IS
WORKING FOR NORTHERN ONTARIO
BUSINESSES?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ENERGY, NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT
AND MINES, MINISTER OF...

The caption changes to "Honourable Greg Rickford. PC. Minister of Energy, Northern Development and Mines."

Rickford is in his early fifties, clean-shaven, with short gray hair. He wears a blue suit, white shirt, and striped burgundy tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION
FROM THE MEMBER FOR PARRY
SOUND-MUSKOKA, A STRONG
ADVOCATE NOT ONLY FOR PARRY
SOUND-MUSKOKA BUT FOR THE
ENTIRE REGION OF NORTHERN
ONTARIO.
YOU KNOW.

[APPLAUSE]

Rickford says WE HAVE A PREMIER AND CAUCUS
WHO WANTS TO ENSURE NORTHERN
ONTARIO IS AS MUCH OPEN FOR
BUSINESS AS ANY PART OF THIS
PROVINCE.
THEY KNOW THAT WHAT WE CAN
CONTINUE WHEN WE MAKE
TARGETED AND STRATEGIC
INVESTMENTS.
BUT AS WELL, MR. SPEAKER,
ENSURE THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE
SEVEN YEARS FOR A MINE TO
OPEN, MR. SPEAKER.
TO ENSURE THAT BY REDUCING
RED TAPE, OUR FORESTRY
SECTOR AND OUR MINING SECTOR
HAS A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO
THE MARKET TODAY,
MR. SPEAKER.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE MOVING
AHEAD WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT
INITIATIVES ACROSS THE
REGION, OPENING UP NORTHERN
ONTARIO FOR BUSINESS,
GETTING... ADDRESSING THE
FAR NORTH ACT BECAUSE IT HAS
MADE LITTLE PROGRESS TO
COLLABORATE WITH FIRST
NATIONS COMMUNITIES OR
NEGOTIATING A DEAL THAT
WOULD KEEP ALGOMA STEEL IN
SAULT Ste. MARIE.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Rickford says THANK GOODNESS FOR THE
MEMBER OF SAULT Ste. MARIE.

[APPLAUSE]

Rickford says PROTECTING JOBS AND KEEPING
NORTHERN ONTARIO OPEN FOR
BUSINESS.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Miller says MR. SPEAKER, THANK YOU TO
THE MINISTER FOR HIS WORK ON
THESE FILES AND FOR SUPPORT
FOR NORTHERN ONTARIO.
THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT OUR
GOVERNMENT IS DOING
EVERYTHING IT CAN TO ENSURE
WE CREATE ECONOMIC
PROSPERITY RIGHT ACROSS OUR
PROVINCE.
THE MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE
ARE WELL AWARE OF THE
IMPORTANT INVESTMENTS OUR
GOVERNMENT HAS CONTINUED TO
MAKE TO SUPPORT THIS GOAL.
LAST WEEK I WAS VERY PLEASED
TO ANNOUNCE ONE OF THESE
INVESTMENTS IN MY RIDING OF
PARRY SOUND-MUSKOKA.
OUR GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED
968,000 INVESTMENT TO BUILD
A MULTIPURPOSE CENTRE IN
CARLING, TO HOST COMMUNITY
ACTIVITIES AND PRIVATE
FUNCTIONS.

[APPLAUSE]

Miller says THIS INVESTMENT RELIES ON
MUCH NEEDED SPACE FOR
FAMILIES TO HOST SPECIAL
EVENTS.
CAN THE MINISTER PLEASE TELL
THE MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE
MORE ABOUT HOW THIS
INVESTMENT WILL BENEFIT THE
COMMUNITY OF CARLING AND
AREA?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Rickford says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE
MAKING THE KIND OF TARGETING
INVESTMENTS THAT MAKE SENSE
IN NORTHERN COMMUNITIES.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SMALL TOWNS,
ISOLATED, REMOTE AND
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AND
SOME BIGGER CITIES THAT ARE
NOT TO THE SCALE OF THE ONES
DOWN HERE IN SOUTHERN
ONTARIO AND OUR GREAT
NORTHERN ONTARIO GANG OUT
HERE, WE KNOW WHERE THOSE
INVESTMENTS ARE BECAUSE WE
WORK CLOSELY WITH THOSE
COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
EVEN FOR RIDINGS THAT WE...
THERE'S NO PROGRESSIVE
CONSERVATIVE MEMBER FOR NOW,
MR. SPEAKER.
WE CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE
THAT THEY'RE CONNECTING AND
THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN THE
PROJECTS THAT MATTER.
THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS A 9,
9,443-SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY
TO HOST FAMILY GATHERINGS,
CONFERENCES, BUSINESS
FUNCTIONS AND SERVE AS AN
EMERGENCY SHELTER.
IT'S A FULLY LICENSED
COMMERCIAL KITCHEN WHICH
WILL HELP SUPPORT TRAINING
AND HOST LARGER EVENTS.
WE CONGRATULATE THE TOWN OF
CARLING.
THEY'RE... THEIR OUTSTANDING
MEMBER OF PROVINCIAL
PARLIAMENT...

[APPLAUSE]

Rickford says PARRY SOUND.
THE FALL ECONOMIC STATEMENT
WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT FOR
NORTHERN ONTARIO.
LET'S JUST HOPE THE NORTHERN
ONTARIO CAUCUS...

[Voice fading]

The Speaker says THANK YOU.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says STOP THE CLOCK.
STOP THE CLOCK.
ORDER.
RESTART THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR TIMMINS.

The caption changes to "Gilles Bisson. NDP. Timmins."

Bisson is in his fifties, balding, with a full white beard. He wears glasses, a gray suit, white shirt, and checkered gray tie.

He speaks French and a translator says MY
QUESTION IS FOR THE
FRANCOPHONE, MINISTER OF
FRANCOPHONE AFFAIRS.
YOU KNOW MR. FORD'S
GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO CLOSE
THE OFFICE OF THE
FRANCOPHONE AFFAIRS AND TO
CANCEL THE CONSTRUCTION OF
THE FRENCH UNIVERSITY AS
FRANCOPHONE, AS A CITIZEN,
AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
YOU, AS AN INDIVIDUAL AS A
FRANCOPHONE WHO IS PROUD TO
BE IT, DO YOU SUPPORT THAT
DECISION?

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Honourable Caroline Mulroney. Minister Responsible for Francophone Affairs."

Mulroney is in her mid-forties, with long wavy brown hair. She wears a black blazer over a zip-up gray dress.

She speaks French and a translator says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
OUR GOVERNMENT SHOWED FRIDAY
NIGHT, WITH OUR
ANNOUNCEMENTS, OUR
WILLINGNESS TO WORK FOR
FRANCOPHONES AND WITH THE
FRANCOPHONES TO MOVE FORWARD
THE FRANCOPHONE ISSUES.
WITH RESPECT TO THE OFFICE
OF THE FRANCOPHONE AFFAIRS,
WE WERE VERY CLEAR THAT
THE... OUR GOVERNMENT WILL
MAKE AMENDMENTS TO BILL 57,
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CREATE
A POSITION OF A COMMISSIONER
WITHIN THE OMBUDSMAN'S
OFFICE.
WE WILL FIND A WAY TO
PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF
FRANCOPHONES' LINGUISTIC
RIGHTS BUT BY PROTECTING THE
MONEY OF OUR TAXPAYERS.
THE OMBUDSMAN WILL BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
INVESTIGATIONS AND TO GIVE
THE REPORTS HERE AND WILL
KEEP THE FUNCTION OF MAKING
UP THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND
TO IMPROVE THE AFFAIRS.
I'M ASKING THE MEMBER NOT TO
POLITICIZE THIS DECISION.
WE WILL MAKE SURE LINGUISTIC
RIGHTS BE PRESERVED WHILE
PRESERVING THE TAXPAYERS'
MONEY.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Bisson speaks French and a translator says MADAME MINISTER, THIS IS
VERY POLITICAL, VERY
POLITICAL.
YOU COME FROM... YOU COME
FROM THE MULRONEY FAMILY,
WHO'S A PROUD FRANCO PHONE,
A PRIME MINISTER WHO WORKED
FOR THE FRANCOPHONE AFFAIRS.
AND I'M ASKING YOU A
QUESTION AS A FRANCO PHONE,
NOT AS A MINISTER, AS A
FRANCOPHONE OF ONTARIO, DO
YOU SUPPORT THE DECISION OF
CLOSING THOSE.

[APPLAUSE]

The translator continues
THOSE DECISIONS HERE IN
ONTARIO, YES OR NO?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says ONCE AGAIN
I'LL REMIND ALL MEMBERS TO
MAKE THEIR COMMENTS THROUGH
THE CHAIR.
MINISTER.

Mulroney speaks French and a translator says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
OF COURSE, I AM VERY PROUD
OF WHAT MY FATHER DID FOR
CANADA, FOR FRANCOPHONES IN
CANADA.
WHAT HE DID FOR FRANCOPHONES
IN CANADA SERVED ALL
CANADIANS, AND WHAT WE'RE
DOING IN ONTARIO WILL
BENEFIT ALL ONTARIANS,
INCLUDING FRANCO-ONTARIANS.
AS A PROUD FRANCOPHONE, I
CAN TELL YOU THAT THE
CHANGES THAT WE PROPOSED AT
THE OFFICE OF THE
FRANCOPHONE AFFAIRS, WE WILL
CONTINUE TO PRESERVE
LINGUISTIC RIGHTS IN
ONTARIO, AND WITH RESPECT
TO THE FRENCH UNIVERSITY, WE
WILL CONTINUE WORKING ON
THAT IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR
FRANCO-ONTARIANS.
IT IS A PROJECT THAT IS FOR
AND BY FRANCOPHONES.
WITH A DEFICIT OF 15
BILLION DOLLARS AND A DEBT OF 350
BILLION DOLLARS, MR. SPEAKER, FOR
ALL ONTARIANS, INCLUDING
FRANCO-ONTARIANS, AND ONCE
WE WILL BE DOING THIS WORK,
WE WILL WORK ON THIS
PROJECT.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says STOP THE CLOCK.
ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
MEMBER FOR SIMCOE NORTH.

The caption changes to "Jill Dunlop. PC. Simcoe North."

Dunlop is in her forties, with long straight blond hair. She wears a black jacket over a gray dress.

She says MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
MINISTER OF NATURAL
RESOURCES AND FORESTRY.
OUR GOVERNMENT MEMBERS ARE
AWARE OF THE DISDAIN FOR THE
PREVIOUS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT
HAD FOR THE HUNTING AND
FISHING COMMUNITIES.
THIS 15 YEARS OF NEGLECT
CREATED UNFAIR MOOSE HANG
DRAW SYSTEMS THAT FAILED TO
MEET THE NEEDS OF THE
HUNTING COMMUNITY AND THE
TOURIST INDUSTRY IN NORTHERN
ONTARIO.
THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT HAD
YEARS TO REPAIR A WELL-KNOWN
PROBLEM BUT INSTEAD CHOSE TO
IGNORE THE ISSUES AND FOCUS
ON RAISING TAXES FOR
ONTARIANS.
MR. SPEAKER, THE DRAW NEEDS
TO BE FIXED SO THAT THE HUNT
CAN'T JUST BENEFIT HUNTERS
IN OUR NORTHERN COMMUNITIES
BY SUPPORTING TOURISM AND
SMALL BUSINESSES.
CAN THE MINISTER UPDATE THE
HOUSE ON WHAT STEPS ARE
BEING TAKEN TO ENSURE THAT
FUTURE MOOSE HANG DRAWS WILL
BE DONE IN A FAIR MANNER?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says THE MINISTER
OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND
FORESTRY.

The caption changes to "Honourable John Yakabuski. PC. Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry."

Yakabuski is in his early sixties, clean-shaven and balding. He wears a gray suit, blue shirt, and printed blue tie.

He says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
SPEAKER.
I THANK THE MEMBER FOR THE
QUESTION.
SPEAKER, OUR GOVERNMENT FOR
THE PEOPLE HAS LISTENED TO
THE CONCERNS OF HUNTERS AND
MY MINISTRY IS REVIEWING
ONTARIO'S APPROACH TO
MANAGING MOOSE.
WE'LL WORK WITH AN ADVISORY
COMMITTEE WHICH WILL REVIEW
MOOSE MANAGEMENT INCLUDING
THE TAG DRAW SYSTEM, WITH
THE INTENTION OF MAKING IT
FAIRER, MORE ACCESSIBLE AND
SIMPLER FOR HUNTERS.
AS THE REVIEW UNFOLDS, WE
WILL CONTINUE TO LISTEN AND
ENGAGE HUNTERS AND
STAKEHOLDERS TO INFORM
FUTURE DECISIONS ON HOW TAG
HOLDERS ARE DEVELOPED AND
DISTRIBUTED.
WE WILL INVESTIGATE NEW AND
IMPROVED WAYS OF MEETING THE
NEEDS OF HUNTERS WITH
CONTINUED HUNTING
OPPORTUNITIES.
THE MEMBER'S CORRECT.
THE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE
FIXED.
MY MINISTRY WILL PROVIDE THE
SOLUTIONS NECESSARY SO THAT
WE CAN FINALLY HAVE A MOOSE
MANAGEMENT APPROACH THAT
WORKS FOR THE BENEFIT OF
HUNTERS, BUSINESSES AND OUR
NORTHERN COMMUNITIES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Dunlop says THANK YOU TO THE MINISTER
FOR THAT ANSWER.
MR. SPEAKER, I KNOW THAT IT
WILL BE REASSURING TO BOTH
MY CONSTITUENTS AS WELL AS
TO THOSE IN OUR RURAL AND
REMOTE COMMUNITIES TO KNOW
THAT THEY FINALLY HAVE A
GOVERNMENT THAT WORKS FOR
THE PEOPLE.
THE CURRENT SITUATION IS A
PERSONAL ONE FOR A LOT OF
ONTARIANS WHO ARE AVID
HUNTERS AND USE THE MOOSE
TAG SYSTEM FREQUENTLY.
THE MOOSE TAG DRAW WILL BE
FOR THE BENEFIT OF HUNTERS
ALL ACROSS ONTARIO AND I'M
SURE THEY ARE EAGER TO KNOW
WHEN THEY CAN EXPECT TO SEE
THE RESULTS OF THE REVIEW
FROM THE COMMITTEE.
CAN THE MINISTER PROVIDE A
TIME LINE OF WHEN THE REVIEW
WILL BE COMPLETED?

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Yakabuski says THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE
MEMBER.
SHE AGREES THE REVIEW WILL
BRING RELIEF TO THE MEMBERS,
CONSTITUENTS AND TO
ONTARIANS ACROSS THE
PROVINCE.
THE ONTARIO MOOSE BEAR
ALLOCATION ADVISORY
COMMITTEE IS TYPICALLY MADE
UP OF SIX MEMBERS WITH
RELATED EXPERIENCE APPOINTED
BY THE PUBLIC APPOINTMENT
SECRETARIAT.
AS PART OF OUR OVERALL
REVIEW, WE WILL REVAMP THE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO MAKE
SURE THEY ARE SET UP FOR A
THOROUGH REVIEW OF ONTARIO'S
MOOSE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE
WHAT I SAID IN MY PREVIOUS
ANSWER.
THROUGHOUT THE REVIEW, MY
MINISTRY WILL CONTINUE TO
ENGAGE AND LISTEN TO THE
CONCERNS OF HUNTERS AND
OTHER STAKEHOLDERS SO THAT
OUR NEW APPROACH IS ONE THAT
WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE AND
ACTUALLY ADDRESSES THE
PROBLEM.
AS THE MEMBER KNOWS, THE
CURRENT SYSTEM IS QUITE
COMPLEX.
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL
WORK OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS
TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THIS
RIGHT AND THAT WE FINALLY.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Yakabuski says MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO MAKE
MOOSE HUNTING FAIRLY EARLY
AND MORE ACCESSIBLE.
THANK YOU, SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says NEXT
QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR
TORONTO-DANFORTH.

The caption changes to "Peter Tabuns. NDP. Toronto-Danforth."

Tabuns is in his late fifties, clean-shaven, with short white hair. He wears glasses, a black suit, and a gray shirt.

He says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
SPEAKER, MY QUESTION TO THE
MINISTER OF ENERGY.
THERE ARE SERIOUS QUESTIONS
ABOUT O.F.G's SALE OF THE
HEARN GENERATING STATION THE
GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO ANSWER.
WE KNOW WHEN THE PREMIER WAS
A CITY COUNCILLOR HE MET
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH
DEVELOPERS TO COOK UP A
VISION FOR TORONTO'S
WATERFRONT.
THAT VISION INCLUDED AN NFL
STADIUM ON THE HEARN SITE,
THEN CONTROLLED BY MARIO
CORTELLUCCI, A MAJOR DONOR
AND FUNDRAISER FOR THE P.C.
PARTY AND THE FORD FAMILY.
MR. CORTELLUCCI'S GROUP HAS
ACQUIRED THE SITE AT A
SUSPICIOUSLY LOW PRICE.
HAS THE PREMIER OR HIS STAFF
HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH
DEVELOPERS FOR O.P.G. ABOUT
THE HEARN SITE SINCE HE
BECAME PREMIER?
AND IF SO, WHAT DID HE
DISCUSS OR PROMISE?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
ENERGY, NORTHERN DEVELOPMENT
AND MINES, MINISTER OF
INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS.

Rickford says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
ONTARIO POWER GENERATION
OPERATES AT ARM'S LENGTH
FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF
ONTARIO AND IT'S RESPONSIBLE
FOR ITS OWN OPERATIONAL
DECISIONS.
STUDIOS OF AMERICA HAS
LEASED THIS LAND SINCE 2002.
THE TERMS OF THEIR LEASE
INCLUDED THE FIRST RIGHT OF
OFFER TO PURCHASE THE LAND
IF IT EVER BECAME FOR SALE.
BY DIVESTING THIS LAND TO
O.P.G. HAS SHIELDED
TAXPAYERS FROM ANY LONG-TERM
ENVIRONMENTAL LIABILITIES
ASSOCIATED WITH A FORMER
COAL GENERATING STATION.
THIS DECISION IS IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF TAXPAYERS.
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says SUPPLEMENTARY.

Tabuns says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
AGAIN TO THE MINISTER OF
ENERGY.
THAT WAS A VERY CAUTIOUS
ANSWER.
DURING THE LAST P.C.
GOVERNMENT, THERE WAS
SCANDAL AFTER SCANDAL, WHERE
INSIDERS WERE ABLE TO BUY
GOVERNMENT PROPERTIES CHEAP
AND FLIP THEM FOR A MASSIVE
PROFIT.
SEVERAL EMPLOYEES OF THE
ONTARIO REALTY CORPORATION
WERE CHARGED AND CONVICTED.
AND YET ANOTHER SCANDAL, THE
CONSERVATIVES APPOINTED THE
PARTY OFFICIAL WHO
CONTROLLED THEIR DONATIONS
TO THE C.E.O. OF THE ONTARIO
PENSION BOARD.
THE OFFICIAL THEN APPROVED
36.3 MILLION DOLLARS IN CHEAP LOANS
TO THE TOP DONOR OF THE P.C.
PARTY.
THAT DONOR WAS MARIO
CORTELLUCCI.
IT'S TIME TO CLEAR THE AIR.
WILL THE PREMIER... WILL THE
GOVERNMENT ALLOW AN
INDEPENDENT EVALUATION OF
THE HEARN PROPERTIES SO WE
CAN DETERMINE IF THIS DEAL
WAS FAIR?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Rickford says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
THIS DECISION IS IN THE BEST
INTEREST OF TAXPAYERS.
BY DIVESTING THIS LAND,
O.P.G. HAS SHIELDED
TAXPAYERS FROM ANY LONG-TERM
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
ASSOCIATED WITH THE FORMER
COAL GENERATING STATION.
STUDIOS OF AMERICA HAS
LEASED THIS LAND SINCE 2002
AND THE TERMS OF THE LEASE
INCLUDED THE FIRST RIGHT OF
OFFER TO PURCHASE...

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

Rickford says FOR SALE.
ONTARIO POWER GENERATION
OPERATES AT ARM'S LENGTH
FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

The Speaker says NIAGARA
FALLS, COME TO ORDER.

Rickford says AND IS RESPONSIBLE.

The Speaker says HAM MILL TAN
WEST, ANCASTER DUNDAS, COME
TO ORDER.

Rickford says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says NEXT
QUESTION.
THE MEMBER FOR MISSISSAUGA
EAST-COOKSVILLE.

[APPLAUSE]

The caption changes to "Kaleed Rasheed. PC. Mississauga-East-Cooksville."

Rasheed is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short-cropped black hair. He wears glasses, a gray suit, blue shirt, and pink tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE
MINISTER OF LABOUR.
DOUBLEHEADERS ARE FULL-TIME
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS
WHO ALSO PROVIDE VOLUNTEER
SERVICES.
MINISTER, I UNDERSTAND THAT
MANY RURAL AND SMALL
MUNICIPALITIES RELY ON
DOUBLEHEADERS TO PROTECT
LOCAL HOMES, FAMILIES AND
BUSINESSES.
FOR MANY YEARS, ALMOST TWO
DECADES IN FACT
DOUBLEHEADERS WHO VOLUNTEER
IN SMALL RURAL COMMUNITIES
AS FIREFIGHTERS HAVE FACED
THE POTENTIAL OF
DISCIPLINARY ACTION AND EVEN
THREATS TO THEIR FULL-TIME
JOBS BECAUSE OF HOW THEY
CHOOSE TO VOLUNTEER IN THEIR
FREE TIME.
MANY OF THESE DOUBLEHEADERS
HAVE BEEN FORCED TO STOP
VOLUNTEERING FOR FEAR OF
FINES AND DISCIPLINARY
ACTION.
CAN THE MINISTER TO THIS
HOUSE, ACCOUNT MINISTER
EXPLAIN TO THIS HOUSE WHAT
THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING WITH
REGARDS TO DOUBLING HEADERS
AND HOW THIS WILL BENEFIT
THE MANY COMMUNITIES RELYING
ON THESE VOLUNTEERS TO STAY
SAFE?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER
OF LABOUR.

Rasheed says THANK YOU

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
LABOUR.

Scott says I'D LIKE TO THANK THE
MEMBER FOR HIS TIRELESS WORK
IN HIS COMMUNITY OF
MISSISSAUGA EAST-COOKSVILLE.
AND MR. SPEAKER...

[APPLAUSE]

Scott says ONE OF THE FIRST SPEECHES I
GAVE RIGHT HERE IN THIS
LEGISLATURE WAS ON THE
IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING
PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE NEED
TO PROTECT OUR PROFESSIONAL
FIREFIGHTERS WHO IN THEIR
FREE TIME ACT AS VOLUNTEER
FIREFIGHTERS IN THEIR
COMMUNITIES.
THESE HEROIC DOUBLE HATTERS
ARE SOME OF MY COMMUNITY'S
MOST DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS.
THEY ARE PROTECTING THEIR
NEIGHBOURS' LIVES AND HOMES.
THROUGH BILL 57, OUR
GOVERNMENT IS ENSURING THE
RIGHT OF OUR PROFESSIONAL
FIREFIGHTERS TO VOLUNTEER
THEIR TIME WHENEVER THEY
WANT AND WHEREVER THEY WANT.

[APPLAUSE]

Scott says HUNDREDS...

[APPLAUSE]

Scott says HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF
ONTARIO'S PROFESSIONAL
FIREFIGHTERS ARE DOUBLE
HATING.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

Scott says THESE AMENDMENTS WILL
ALLOW MUNICIPALITIES TO
RESIST ANY PRESSURE TO
DISMISS PROFESSIONAL
FIREFIGHTERS FOR DOUBLE
HATING AND ENSURE THAT THEY
DO NOT FACE PENALTIES FOR
CHOOSING TO SERVE THEIR
COMMUNITY AS A VOLUNTEER
FIREFIGHTER.
DOUBLE HATTING.

The Speaker says THANK YOU.
SUPPLEMENTARY.
RESPONSE.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says RESTART THE CLOCK.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Rasheed says THANK YOU, MINISTER FOR
THAT EXPLANATION.
THROUGH YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
IT SEEMS NOT ONLY STRANGE
BUT ALSO WRONG THAT
FIREFIGHTERS WOULD FACE
DISCIPLINARY ACTION AND
PERSECUTION FOR CHOOSING TO
VOLUNTEER AS FIREFIGHTERS IN
THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES.
WE KNOW THAT DOUBLE HATTERS
CARE DEEPLY FOR THE HEALTH
AND SAFETY OF THEIR
COMMUNITIES AND THAT FIRE
CHIEFS ACROSS RURAL ONTARIO
DEPEND ON THEIR DOUBLE
HATTERS TO PROVIDE TRAINING
AND MENTORING TO OTHER
VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS.
CAN THE MINISTER TELL US
WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS
DOING TO PERMANENTLY PROTECT
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS
WHO ARE KEEPING OUR
COMMUNITIES SAFE IN RURAL
ONTARIO?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER.

Scott says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
I HAVE WAITED 15 YEARS FOR
THE PROVINCE TO TAKE ACTION.

[APPLAUSE]

Scott says AND IF PASSED, OUR... WILL
PROHIBIT ASSOCIATIONS FROM
DISCIPLINING MEMBERS FOR
DOUBLE HATTING, ALLOW
MUNICIPALITIES TO RESIST ANY
PRESSURE TO DISMISS DOUBLE
HATTERS, ENSURE THAT
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS
CANNOT FACE ASSOCIATION
PENALTIES FOR DOUBLE HATTING,
AND PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANTLY
OUR LEGISLATION WILL APPLY
THOSE PROTECTIONS
RETROSPECTIVELY.
TODAY IN ONTARIO THERE ARE
18,000 VOLUNTEERS, 11,000
FULL TIME AND 600 PART-TIME
FIREFIGHTERS.
IN OTHER WORDS, MR. SPEAKER,
60 percent OF ONTARIO'S
FIREFIGHTERS ARE VOLUNTEERS.
I AM HOPEFUL THAT BILL 57
MAY NOT ONLY PROTECT TODAY'S
DOUBLE HATTERS BUT WILL ALSO
WELCOME BACK FIREFIGHTERS
WHO FOUND OTHER OUTLETS FOR
THEIR VOLUNTEER COMMUNITY
SERVICE, MR. SPEAKER.
I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT...

[APPLAUSE]...

Scott says PIECE OF LEGISLATION.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says STOP THE CLOCK.
START THE CLOCK.
NEXT QUESTION.
MEMBER FOR WINDSOR WEST.

The caption changes to "Lisa Gretzky. NDP. Windsor West."

Gretzky is in her forties, with shoulder-length straight reddish brown hair. She wears a black jacket over a white shirt.

She says THANK YOU, SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE
MINISTER OF CHILDREN,
COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL
SERVICES.
YESTERDAY I ASKED THE
MINISTER ABOUT HOW THE
GOVERNMENT'S CHANGES TO
SOCIAL ASSISTANCE WILL HURT
ONTARIANS WITH DISABILITIES.
THE PLAN INCLUDES ZERO
SUPPORT FOR ONTARIANS WITH
DISABILITIES WHO CANNOT WORK
AND IT WILL TAKE MORE MONEY
OUT OF THE POCKETS OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE ABLE TO WORK,
BECAUSE THE MORE THEY MAKE,
THE MORE GETS CLAWED BACK.
TO QUOTE THE ONTARIO
COALITION AGAINST POVERTY,
FORCING PEOPLE OFF SOCIAL
ASSISTANCE WHILE DEPRESSING
WORK CONDITIONS IN THE MIDST
OF A HOUSING CRISIS WON'T
MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY.
WILL THE MINISTER EXPLAIN
HOW TAKING MORE MONEY OUT OF
THE POCKETS OF WORKING
PEOPLE AND OFFERING NOTHING
TO THOSE WHO CAN'T WORK AT
ALL WILL ELIMINATE POVERTY
IN ONTARIO?

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
CHILDREN COMMUNITY AND...

MacLeod says I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE
MEMBER OPPOSITE GETS THEIR
INFORMATION BUT THIS IS THE
FIRST GOVERNMENT IN 15 YEARS
AT THE SAME TIME TO RAISE
1.5 percent INCREASES ACROSS THE
BOARD IN ONTARIO WORKS AND
IN ODSP AT THE SAME TIME.
WE'VE ALSO BROUGHT IN THE
LIFT FROM THE FALL ECONOMIC
STATEMENT THAT'S GOING TO
MAKE SURE PEOPLE WILL KEEP
MORE OF THEIR HARD-EARNED
MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS.

[APPLAUSE]

MacLeod says TAXES.
WHAT I ANNOUNCED LAST WEEK
THAT THOSE WHO ARE ON
ONTARIO DISABILITY SUPPORTS,
THEY WILL END UP SEEING MORE
WRAPAROUND SERVICES THEY'VE
HE SEEN.
THEY WILL COME OUT FURTHER
AHEAD.

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

MacLeod says THOSE CAN'T WORK WILL
MAKE SURE THEY HAVE SUPPORTS
IN PLACE.
DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
TAKE PAUL JOHNSON FROM THE
CITY OF HAMILTON GENERAL
MANAGER OF HEALTH AND SAFE
COMMUNITIES.
HE SAYS THE CITY OF HAMILTON
HAS UNDERTAKEN AN INTEGRATED
APPROACH TO SERVICES AND
WILL WORK WITH THE PROVINCE
TO REDUCE THE ADMINISTRATIVE
BURDEN ON THOSE WHO PROVIDE
SOCIAL ASSISTANCE, THEREBY
ENSURING MORE TIME IS SPENT
ON THOSE WE SERVE.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

MacLeod says UNITED WAY WHO SAYS TODAY'S ANNOUNCEMENT SIGNALS
MINISTER MacLEOD'S INTENTION
TO EVOLVE ONTARIO'S SOCIAL
ASSISTANCE SYSTEM TO MORE
EFFECTIVELY SERVE THE NEEDS
OF VULNERABLE PEOPLE AND
INTERRUPT THE CYCLE OF
POVERTY.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says STOP THE CLOCK.
RESTART THE CLOCK.
SUPPLEMENTARY.

Gretzky says BACK TO THE MINISTER.
THE CHANGES TO THE EARNINGS
THRESHOLD WILL BE A DIS
INCENTIVE TO WORK BECAUSE
THE MORE YOU MAKE, THE MORE
THE GOVERNMENT WILL THE CLAW
BACK.
IF YOU WERE ON ODSP BUT ABLE
TO WORK AND EARN MORE THAN
500 A MONTH, YOU WILL ONLY
BE ABLE TO KEEP 25 CENTS ON
THE DOLLAR.
THE SAME GOES FOR ONTARIO
WORKS.
IF YOU EARN MORE THAN 300 A
MONTH.
TRISH HURKOLAK, A SOCIAL
ASSISTANCE RECIPIENT IN
SCARBOROUGH, SOMEONE THAT
THE MINISTER WASN'T ACTUALLY
INTERESTED IN TALKING TO, IS
THE RECIPIENT.
TRISH TOLD THE CBC AND I
QUOTE...
RECIPIENTS ARE GOING TO END
UP WITH WHAT THEY HAD
BEFORE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THEM.
IT'S GOING TO KEEP THEM
IMPOVERISHED.
THE MINISTER LIKES TO TALK
ABOUT THE 1.5 percent INCREASE,
WHICH ACTUALLY AMOUNTS TO,
IF YOU QUALIFY FOR MAXIMUM
BENEFITS, 11.50 A MONTH FOR
ONTARIO WORKS AND 17.50 A
MONTH.

The Speaker says QUESTION.

Gretzky says FOR ODSP.
DOES MINISTER THINK IT'S
FAIR IF SHE ONLY GOT TO KEEP
25 CENTS OF EVERY DOLLAR
SHE WORKED FOR?
AND DOES SHE THINK SHE COULD
LIVE ABOVE THE POVERTY LINE
BY ONLY KEEPING 25 CENTS OF
EVERY DOLLAR THAT SHE EARNS?

[APPLAUSE]

MacLeod says I AM GOING TO REJECT THAT
QUESTION OUT OF HAND.
IT IS VASTLY INCORRECT AND
THE MEMBER OPPOSITE KNOWS
IT.
SHE'S TRYING TO SCARE MONGER
ONTARIO'S MOST VULNERABLE
PEOPLE.
HERE ARE THE STATISTICS.
WE HAVE ONE MILLION PEOPLE
ON SOCIAL ASSISTANCE IN THIS
PROVINCE.
IT WILL COSTS 10 MILLION DOLLARS.
YET ONE OUT OF SEVEN PEOPLE.

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

MacLeod says DISJOINTED PATCHWORK
SYSTEM THAT DID NOTHING
TO...

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
Hamilton MOUNTAIN.

MacLeod says BACK ON TRACK.
THAT'S WHY I'M PLEASED TO
HAVE...

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

MacLeod says VICE-PRESIDENT OF
COMMUNITY STRATEGY OF UNITED
WAY OF GREATER TORONTO WHO
SAYS THE MORE
CLIENT-CENTERED...

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

MacLeod says WILL FOCUS ON INVESTMENT
AND WRAPAROUND SUPPORTS AND
COORDINATION AMONG SERVICES
AND SECTORS IS ESSENTIAL FOR
BUILDING THE PATHWAYS TO
ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.

The Speaker says COME TO
ORDER.

MacLeod says I'LL SAY IT ONCE AGAIN.
THE BEST.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
ESSEX.

MacLeod says IN THIS PROVINCE.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

MacLeod says IS A JOB.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says STOP THE CLOCK.

[INTERJECTIONS]

The Speaker says ORDER.
ORDER.
THE HOUSE WILL COME TO
ORDER.
THE HOUSE WILL COME TO
ORDER.

[HECKLING]

The Speaker says THE HOUSE
WILL COME TO ORDER.
THERE'S STILL A MEMBER WHO
WANTS TO ASK A QUESTION.
OUT OF RESPECT FOR HIM, THE
HOUSE WILL COME TO ORDER.
START THE CLOCK.
MEMBER FOR BRAMPTON WEST.

[APPLAUSE]

Interjection: YAY!

The caption changes to "Amarjot Sandhu. PC. Brampton West."

Sandhu is in his thirties, with short black hair and a stubble. He wears a gray suit, white shirt, and checkered blue tie.

He says THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
MY QUESTION IS TO THE
HONOURABLE MINISTER OF
CHILDREN, COMMUNITY AND
SOCIAL SERVICES.
IN ONTARIO, WE LOOK OUT FOR
EACH OTHER.
NEIGHBOURS HELPING
NEIGHBOURS, DEMONSTRATING
COMPASSION WHEN THOSE IN
VULNERABLE CIRCUMSTANCES
NEED HELP THE MOST.
ONTARIO'S SOCIAL SAFETY
NETWORK.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
BRAMPTON NORTH, COME TO
ORDER.

Sandhu says COMPASSION AND DIGNITY.
BUT TODAY ONE IN SEVEN
ONTARIANS ARE LIVING IN
POVERTY.
AND AFTER 15 YEARS OF
MISMANAGEMENT OF OUR SOCIAL
ASSISTANCE SYSTEM HAS BECOME
A PATCHWORK OF PROGRAMS.

The Speaker says MEMBER FOR
BRAMPTON.

Sandhu says TRAP PEOPLE IN A CYCLE OF
POVERTY.
MINISTER, LAST WEEK YOU
UNVEILED YOUR PLAN TO REFORM
ONTARIO'S SOCIAL ASSISTANCE
SYSTEM AND GET OUR PEOPLE
WORKING.
CAN YOU PLEASE TELL THIS
HOUSE HOW YOU ARE RESTORING
DIGNITY AND COMPASSION FOR
THOSE WHO NEED IT MOST?

Interjection: GOOD
QUESTION.

[APPLAUSE]

The Speaker says MINISTER OF
CHILDREN, COMMUNITY AND
SOCIAL SERVICES.

MacLeod says THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
SPEAKER.
WHAT A GREAT QUESTION!
RESPECTFUL, TO THE POINT AND
ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGING THE
TRUE FACTS OF WHERE WE ARE
IN THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO
TODAY.

[APPLAUSE]

MacLeod says LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR,
ONTARIO'S PLAN FOR SOCIAL
ASSISTANCE IS FOCUSED ON THE
PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE MOST
VULNERABLE CIRCUMSTANCES IN
OUR PROVINCE.
FOR THOSE WHO CAN WORK, WE
ARE PROVIDING THEM A PATH
OUT OF POVERTY.
FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT WORK,
THEY WILL RECEIVE BETTER AND
MORE COMPASSIONATE SUPPORTS
WHICH HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED BY
MANY OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS
ACROSS ONTARIO.
THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, WE
WILL ASSURE THAT THEY ARE
LIVING WITH DIGNITY.
WE WILL CONSOLIDATE ODSP
BENEFITS INTO SIMPLIFIED
FINANCIAL SUPPORT SO
FRONT-LINE STAFF CAN EASILY
CONNECT TO CLIENTS TO
SUPPORT THEM.
WE'LL ALSO INSTITUTE A
6,000 FLAT ANNUAL EARNINGS
EXEMPTION, SPEAKER, PLUS A
25 percent EXEMPTION FOR EARNINGS.

The Speaker says RESPONSE.

MacLeod says OVER THAT LIMIT AND WE
WILL CUT RED TAPE AND
RESTORE ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE NEED TO DIGNITIZE SERVICES
TO MAKE PROGRAM DELIVERY MORE
EFFICIENT...

The Speaker says THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.

Watch: Question Period: Tuesday, November 27, 2018