Transcript: Understanding Canada-Germany Trade Ties | Oct 05, 2021

Steve Paikin sits behind a glass desk in the TVO studio. A softly lit blue background and the red, lower-case ‘a’ Agenda logo are behind him.
Steve wears a navy-blue suit with a matching tie and a white dress shirt. He is clean-shaven and has short brown hair.

Text reads, Understanding Canada-Germany Trade Ties.
@spaikin @theagenda

Steve says, GERMANY IS CANADA'S
LARGEST EXPORT MARKET IN THE
EUROPEAN UNION.
IT IS ALSO, OF COURSE, A
STRATEGICALLY ESSENTIAL NATO
ALLY.
WITH US NOW ON THE ONGOING TIES
BETWEEN OUR COUNTRIES, WE
WELCOME:
AT THE GERMAN EMBASSY IN OUR
NATION'S CAPITAL:
SABINE SPARWASSER, GERMANY'S
AMBASSADOR TO CANADA.

Sabine sits in from of a red wall. A black and white photograph hangs on the wall.
She has neck-length hair and wears dark-rimmed glasses and a grey blazer over a white blouse.

Steve continues, AND, IN THE DOVERCOURT PARK
NEIGHBOURHOOD OF ONTARIO'S
CAPITAL CITY, THERE'S:
YVONNE DENZ, SHE'S PRESIDENT AND
CEO OF THE CANADIAN-GERMAN
CHAMBER OF INDUSTRY AND
COMMERCE.

Yvonne sits in front of a large window with an office building in the background.
She has long brown hair and wears a black blazer.

Steve continues, IT'S GREAT TO WELCOME YOU TWO
ONTO TVO TONIGHT.

A graphic appears titled, The Canada-Germany Relationship, 2020.
Round circles containing Canadian and German flags are on the left side of the graphic.

Steve continues, I JUST WANT TO START BY PUTTING
A BIT OF BACKGROUND IN PLACE FOR
THOSE WHO ARE PERHAPS LESS AWARE
OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE
GERMAN-CANADIAN RELATIONSHIP,
STARTING WITH THE FACT THAT
NEARLY $24 BILLION WORTH OF
GOODS WERE TRADED LAST YEAR
BETWEEN OUR TWO COUNTRIES AND
THAT'S ACTUALLY DURING A
PANDEMIC YEAR.
GERMANY IS CANADA'S SIXTH
LARGEST TRADING PARTNER
WORLDWIDE AND OUR LARGEST EXPORT
MARKET IN THE EUROPEAN UNION.
CANADIAN EXPORTS TO GERMANY IN
2020 WERE WORTH NEARLY
$6.5 BILLION.
OUR NUMBER ONE EXPORT TO GERMANY
IS MINERALS. AND WE IMPORT NEARLY $17 BILLION
WORTH OF GOODS FROM GERMANY.
OUR NUMBER ONE IMPORT IS
MACHINERY, FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY
AUTOMOTIVE, AND THERE ARE 700
GERMAN COMPANIES CURRENTLY BASED
IN CANADA.
NOW, MADAM AMBASSADOR, LET ME
ASK YOU A BIT OF A STRANGE
QUESTION TO GET STARTED BECAUSE
MY SUSPICION IS A LOT OF PEOPLE
DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OUR TWO
COUNTRIES IS.
SO IS THIS A BIT OF AN
UNDERSTATED RELATIONSHIP THAT
CANADA AND GERMANY HAVE?

Text reads, Making Connections.
Sabine Sparwasser, Canada’s Ambassador to Canada.

Sabina says, YES.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, STEVE.
YOU ARE SO RIGHT.
THIS IS A VERY DEEP AND VERY
RICH RELATIONSHIP BASED ON A
VERY LIKE-MINDED KIND OF MINDSET
THAT OUR TWO POPULATIONS HAVE.
WE ALSO HAVE DEEP ROOTS.
WE HAVE ABOUT 10% OF CANADIANS
WHO SAY THEY ARE ACTUALLY OF GERMAN
ORIGIN AND OUR COUNTRIES REALLY
LIKE EACH OTHER.
REGULARLY IN ALL THE OPINION POLLS
IT COMES OUT THAT CANADIANS AND
GERMANS ARE VERY DEEPLY ATTACHED
TO EACH OTHER.
IS THERE ROOM TO GROW?
IS THERE A LOT OF SPACE TO
DEVELOP OUR RELATIONSHIP FURTHER
IN THE CURRENT INTERNATIONAL
CONTEXT?
I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THERE IS.

Steve says, YVONNE DENZ, WHAT
WOULD YOU ADD TO THAT IN TERMS
OF WHETHER YOU THINK WE HAVE A BIT OF
AN UNDERSTATED RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES?

Text reads, Yvonne Denz, Canadian German Chamber of Industry and Commerce.

Yvonne says, MAYBE IF YOU
THINK ABOUT IT AS LIKE AN OLD
MARRIED COUPLE.
WE GET ALONG GREAT.
BUT ONCE IN A WHILE I THINK IT
WOULD HELP TO JUST SIT BACK AND
LOOK AT EACH OTHER AND THINK:
WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO TOGETHER?
WHERE CAN WE COOPERATE EVEN
MORE?

Steve says, WELL, YVONNE, IF
WE'RE AN OLD MARRIED COUPLE,
WHAT DO WE FIGHT ABOUT?

Yvonne says, THERE'S VERY
LITTLE WE FIGHT ABOUT.
I THINK FOR THE LONGEST TIME IT
WAS A FORMER GERMAN ARMS DEALER
WHO FLED TO CANADA AND THEN WAS
EXTRADITED.
BUT THAT WAS THE BIGGEST SPAT
THAT I'M AWARE OF, AND THAT
DATES DECADES BACK.

Text reads, On the Same Wavelength.

Steve says, I REMEMBER THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KARLHEINZ SCHREIBER I GUESS?

Yvonne says, EXACTLY.

Steve says, YAH YAH, THAT WAS A FEW DECADES BACK.
OKAY, WELL IN WHICH CASE
MADAM AMBASSADOR,
WHAT VALUES DO YOU THINK CANADA
AND GERMANY SHARE NOWADAYS?

Sabine says, WELL, WE
ARE RIGHT NOW IN A SITUATION
WHERE WE SEE A GLOBAL SHIFT OF
POWERS IN THE WORLD, AND I THINK
CANADIANS AND GERMANS ARE BOTH
VERY ATTACHED AND VERY -- TAKE
IT VERY SERIOUSLY TO SEE THAT WE
DEFEND THE LIBERAL INTERNATIONAL
WORLD BASED ORDER.
THIS IS ONE PARTICULAR --
CANADIANS AND GERMANS ARE VERY
RULES-ORIENTED, WE WANT ORDER, WE WANT PEACE,
WE WANT GOOD GOVERNANCE.
AND I THINK THESE ARE REALLY
BINDING VALUES.
WE ALSO HAVE THE SAME KIND OF
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT GOVERNMENT
SHOULD DO, AND I THINK WE PUT
HIGH VALUE ON CIVILITY AND ON A
SOCIETY WHERE EVERYBODY GETS
ALONG AND WE TRY AND FIND
CONSENSUS.

Steve says, LET ME, YVONNE DENZ,
ASK YOU WHETHER -- I WANT TO
COMPARE US IN TERMS OF THE FACT
THAT WE LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A VERY
BIG COUNTRY THAT WE TRY HARD TO
GET ALONG WITH AND DON'T ALWAYS
AND GERMANY LIVES NEXT DOOR TO A
VERY BIG COUNTRY THAT IT TRIES HARD TO GET
ALONG WITH BUT DOESN'T ALWAYS.
DO WE HAVE THAT IN COMMON OR AM
I MAKING THAT UP?

Yvonne says, I WOULDN'T
REALLY SAY YOU'RE MAKING IT UP,
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE
FAIR.
BUT I THINK GERMANY IS MORE
FOCUSED ON THE WORLD AND ON
INTERNATIONAL TRADE, SO IT
VALUES ITS TRADING RELATIONSHIP
WITH THE UNITED STATES AS MUCH
AS CANADA, AND OF COURSE IT HAS
STRONG TIES TO CHINA AS WELL AND
THE NEIGHBOUR, RUSSIA.
I THINK WHAT WE DO HAVE IN
COMMON IS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY.
I THINK IN BOTH COUNTRIES, THERE
IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT
SOMETIMES THE SOLIDARITY AND
THE COMMUNITY IS EVEN MORE
IMPORTANT THAN THE INDIVIDUAL.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE
DEFINITELY SHARE.

Steve says, AMBASSADOR, CAN YOU
I GET YOU TO WEIGH IN ON THAT
IN AS MUCH AS WOULD THE CANADIAN-AMERICAN
RELATIONSHIP AND THE
GERMAN-RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIP,
WOULD THEY BE SIMILAR IN SOME
RESPECTS?

Sabine says, I DON'T
THINK SO.
I THINK GERMANY’S FOCUS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
IS ONE THAT IS ON EUROPE.
WE KNOW RUSSIA IS A BIG
NEIGHBOUR, IT'S AN IMPORTANT
NEIGHBOUR, AND WE DO WANT TO
FIND COMMON GROUND WITH RUSSIA.
BUT IT ISN'T THE SAME KIND OF
RELATIONSHIP AT ALL THAT CANADA
HAS WITH THE U.S., WHICH IS ITS
LARGEST PARTNER, ITS BEST FRIEND
WITH A HUGE UNDEFENDED BORDER.
I THINK THERE ARE HUGE
DIFFERENCES.
AND WHEN IT COMES TO GERMANY, I
THINK OUR FIRST FOCUS IS DEFINITELY THE E.U.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO
BEYOND IT, OUR MOST IMPORTANT
PARTNERS ARE NORTH AMERICAN
PARTNERS.

Steve says, WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD
REPHRASE THAT A BIT, AMBASSADOR.
MAYBE I SHOULD SAY WHEN DONALD
TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, IT DIDN'T
FEEL LIKE WE WERE BEST FRIENDS
WITH A LONG UNDEFENDED BORDER.
IT FELT LIKE WE WERE FIGHTING
ALL THE TIME.
DO YOU -- IN THAT CASE, WOULD
THE GERMAN-RUSSIAN RELATIONSHIP
BE MORE LIKE THE
CANADIAN-AMERICAN ONE UNDER
TRUMP?

Text reads, Sabine Sparwasser @s_sparwasser

Sabine says, EVEN
THERE, I THINK THERE ARE STILL
VERY, VERY DEEP LINKS BETWEEN
CANADA AND THE U.S. AND EVEN AT A
TIME WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION WAS
MORE COMPLICATED FOR CANADA, I
THINK THOSE TIES PREVAILED AND
WERE VERY IMPORTANT.
STILL, YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT,
IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET ALONG
WITH OUR NEIGHBOURS.
RUSSIA HAS BEEN A VERY
COMPLICATED NEIGHBOUR.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE
COMPARATIVE WEIGHT OF THOSE
NEIGHBOURS.
I MEAN, THE UNITED STATES IS THE
SUPERPOWER IN EVERY SENSE, IN
TECHNOLOGY, ECONOMIC WEIGHT, IN
MILITARY TERMS, AND RUSSIA IS
NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AND
PARTICULARLY NOT IN ECONOMIC
TERMS.

Steve says, NO, YOU'RE QUITE
RIGHT.
I THINK RUSSIA'S ECONOMY IS
SMALLER THAN CALIFORNIA'S, SO
THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT TO KEEP
THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE.
YVONNE DENZ, LET ME ASK YOU
THIS: IF YOU ARE ADVISING GERMAN
COMPANIES WHO WANT TO SET UP
BUSINESS IN CANADA OR DO
BUSINESS IN CANADA, WHAT DO YOU
TELL THEM?

Text reads, A Different Way of Doing Things.

Yvonne says, DON'T BE TOO
GERMAN.

Steve asks, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

Yvonne says, THERE IS
THIS -- IT'S A STEREOTYPE, BUT
IT'S TRUE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
GERMANS ARE KNOWN TO BE BLUNT
AND DIRECT.
AND SMALL TALK MIGHT NOT BE OUR
BIGGEST STRENGTH.
SO, WE TELL GERMAN COMPANIES THAT
ARE COMING INTO THE MARKET HERE:
GO ALONG WITH THE SMALL TALK AND
DON'T OPEN THE DOOR AND START
WITH YOUR SALES PITCH.
AND MAYBE LET LOOSE A LITTLE BIT
AND DON'T BE AFRAID TO SHARE
STORIES AND JUST TALK.

Steve asks, WHAT DOES "LET LOOSE
A LITTLE BIT" MEAN?

Yvonne says, JUST DO -- BE
OKAY WITH BEING ADDRESSED BY
YOUR FIRST NAME.
SO IN GERMAN, YOU STILL HAVE A
VERY FORMAL WAY TO ADDRESS EACH
OTHER WITH HEIR AND FRAU, LIKE
THE FRENCH VOUS.
IN NORTH AMERICA YOU CAN USE YOUR FIRST
NAME WHICH CAN BE QUITE UNUSUAL FOR A
GERMAN BUSINESSPERSON.

Steve says, AMBASSADOR, IS THAT
RIGHT?
ARE WE A LITTLE TOO FAMILIAR FOR
A TYPICAL GERMAN WHO WANTS TO DO
BUSINESS HERE?

Sabine says, MAYBE
WE'RE A LITTLE TOO FORMAL AND
IT'S CHANGING IN GERMANY.
MY HUSBAND IS CANADIAN AND
EVERYBODY AT MY EMBASSY CALLS
HIM GARY AND EVERYBODY CALLS ME FRAU SPARWASSER,
SO, THERE IS A CULTURAL
DIFFERENCE, YEAH.
I THINK WE'RE LOOSENING UP IN
GERMANY AND THE “VOUS”, THE FORMAL WAY IS
QUICKLY LOSING OUT.
I WOULD SAY THERE'S ANOTHER
THING THAT GERMANS -- I WOULD
ADVISE GERMANS WHEN THEY LOOK AT
CANADA, AND THAT IS, LOOK AT THE
GEOGRAPHY OF CANADA.
I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT GERMANY AND
WE'RE 350,000 SQUARE KILOMETRES.
CANADA IS 9 MILLION KILOMETRES.
IT'S A VERY, VERY LARGE COUNTRY.
AND TORONTO IS NOT ALL OF
CANADA.

Steve says, NO, THAT'S A VERY
GOOD POINT.
THE ENTIRE -- THE ENTIRE COUNTRY
OF GERMANY COULD FIT INTO ONE OF
OUR RIDINGS IN NORTHERN ONTARIO
ALONE.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING --

Sabine says, THE SIZE
OF BAFFIN ISLAND.

Steve says, WELL THERE YOU GO.
YOU FIND THAT YOU HAVE TO REMIND
GERMANS ABOUT THE VASTNESS OF
CANADA, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING
THAT WOULD NOT OCCUR TO THEM?

Sabine says, WHEN YOU
DO BUSINESS, YEAH.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN YOU
TALK TO THE POPULATION IN
GERMANY, THERE'S A HUGE
FASCINATION WITH THE VASTNESS OF
CANADA, AND THEIR ANECDOTES.
CHANCELLOR KOHL
ASKED PRIME MINISTER CHRETIEN TO
FLY HIM OVER THE ARCTIC, AND HE
SAID IN THE PLANE, AND HE'S
TEARS ROLLING DOWN HIS EYES
BECAUSE OF THE SHEER VASTNESS OF
THE LAND.

Steve says, INTERESTING.
OKAY.
PERHAPS, YVONNE DENZ, YOU COULD
GIVE US SOME BRAND NAMES THAT WE
WOULD RECOGNIZE WHEN IT COMES TO
GERMAN COMPANIES OPERATING IN
CANADA.
WHO WOULD WE KNOW?

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Yvonne says, I'M SURE YOU
KNOW ALL THE CAR COMPANIES,
MERCEDES BENZ, BMW, PORSCHE,
AUDI, VOLKSWAGEN.
THERE'S ALSO IF YOU'RE IN YOUR
KITCHEN, YOU TURN AROUND, YOU
MIGHT SEE A MIELE APPLIANCE --
DISHWASHER OR A STOVE OR A
FRIDGE.
THERE IS SIEMENS CANADA, WHICH
IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST EMPLOYERS
IN CANADA.
THEY DO AUTOMATION AND CYBER
SECURITY, SMART GRIDS, MOBILITY
SOLUTIONS.

Steve says, THEY MAKE SUBWAY CARS AND THAT
TYPE OF THING?

Yvonne says, EXACTLY.
THEY DO THAT AS WELL.
THEN, OF COURSE, THERE'S AIRBUS,
WHO BOUGHT THE PLANES FROM
BOMBARDIER.
THERE'S YOUR CONSUMER BRANDS
SUCH AS HARIBO, THE GUMMI BEARS, RITTER SPORT CHOCOLATE.
THERE’S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
I'M GOING TO STOP HERE BEFORE I TELL
YOU TOO MANY.

Steve says, OKAY, WELL TELL ME THIS,
THOUGH.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S -- I HEAR FROM CANADIAN
BUSINESSPEOPLE ALL THE TIME THAT
THIS IS SOMETIMES A VERY
DIFFICULT PLACE TO DO BUSINESS.
THE AMOUNT OF REGULATION, THE
AMOUNT OF TAXATION -- I MEAN, I
HEAR PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT
THIS ALL THE TIME.
BASED ON THE GERMAN EXPERIENCE
AND THE EXPERIENCE OF DOING
BUSINESS IN GERMANY, IS CANADA A
MORE DIFFICULT OR EASIER PLACE
TO DO BUSINESS THAN GERMANY?

Text reads, Yvonne Denz, CGCIC

Yvonne says, I THINK IT'S
ABOUT THE SAME.
LIKE, I HEAR FROM THE GERMAN
INDUSTRY HERE THEY'RE VERY HAPPY
HERE.
THEY FEEL WELCOME.
THEY FEEL ACCEPTED AS CANADIAN
COMPANIES, ACTUALLY.
OF COURSE, THERE'S RED TAPE, BUT
THERE'S RED TAPE IN GERMANY AS
WELL.
THERE'S BUREAUCRACY IN BOTH
COUNTRIES.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
OF COURSE, ONCE IN A WHILE,
THERE'S A COMPANY THAT RUNS INTO
SMALLER ISSUES THAT WE, TOGETHER
WITH THE EMBASSY, TRY TO HELP.
BUT IN GENERAL, THEY'RE VERY
HAPPY HERE.

Steve says, AMBASSADOR, IS THIS
STILL TOO DIFFICULT A PLACE, TOO
MANY REGULATIONS, TOO CUMBERSOME
A PLACE FOR GERMANS TO DO
BUSINESS?

Sabine says, WELL, I
THINK WE DO FIND RED TAPE, AND
IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S ONE THING
THAT I FIND THAT STRIKES US
COMING FROM THE E.U., TRADE
BORDERS BETWEEN PROVINCES.
I FIND THAT IS A HARD ONE TO
EXPLAIN.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT TAKES A
LOT LESS TIME IN CANADA TO
CREATE A BUSINESS THAN IT TAKES
IN GERMANY.
SO, I THINK WE CAN BOTH LEARN
FROM EACH OTHER AND TRY AND GET
SOME OF THAT RED TAPE OUT OF THE
WAY.

Steve says, AMBASSADOR, LET ME
FOLLOW UP WITH THIS, BECAUSE
DURING THE SUMMERTIME, I SPEND
A BIT OF TIME IN NORTHERN
ONTARIO, AND INVARIABLY, IN THE
TINIEST PLACES, I WILL RUN INTO
PEOPLE FROM GERMANY.
DO GERMANS -- I MEAN, IS THE
CANADIAN WILDERNESS WELL-KNOWN
IN GERMANY AS A PLACE TO COME
VISIT?

Sabine says, YEAH.
OH, YEAH.
CANADA IS THE DREAMLAND FOR
GERMANS IF THEY THINK ABOUT
EMIGRATING FROM GERMANY, CANADA
AND AUSTRALIA ARE THE DREAMLAND.
GERMANS ARE EXTRAORDINARY
TOURISTS.
THEY GO ANYWHERE.
WHEREVER YOU GO, YOU WILL FIND
GERMANS.
AND IN PARTICULAR, NATURE.
IN NATURE WHERE YOU HAVE THAT
FEELING IT'S NOT TOUCHED BY TOO
MANY PEOPLE, COMING FROM OUR
SMALL BUT HIGHLY POPULATED
COUNTRY, IT'S VERY, VERY
COVETED.

Steve says, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE
BLACK FOREST IN GERMANY.
YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT
BEAUTIFUL NATURE.
SO, I'M STILL ALWAYS SURPRISED
WHEN I FIND SO MANY PEOPLE FROM
GERMANY IN NORTHERN ONTARIO.
I ALWAYS WONDER WHY THAT
HAPPENS.

Sabine says, WELL, WE
DO, AND WE USED TO HAVE MANY
CANADIANS IN THE BLACK FOREST
WHEN THERE WAS STILL A MILITARY
BASE.
AND WHENEVER I GO AROUND CANADA,
I MEET ALL OF THESE CANADIANS
TELLING ME FONDLY ABOUT THEIR
TIME IN GERMANY.
THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD CONNECTOR
FOR US.

Steve says, GOTCHA.
YVONNE DENZ, TELL ME THIS.
OBVIOUSLY, BOTH COUNTRIES WOULD
LIKE TO SEE AN EXPANSION OF THE
RELATIONSHIP.
WHAT AREAS MIGHT THERE BE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR EXPANDING
EITHER BUSINESS OR TOURISM,
TRADE, WHATEVER?

Yvonne says, WELL, TOURISM,
JUST NOW THAT THE BORDERS ARE
OPEN, WE ALREADY SEE AN UPTICK
IN TOURISM AGAIN, SO PLEASE GO
AND VISIT BEAUTIFUL GERMANY OR
FOR THE GERMANS, COME IN AND
VISIT THE CANADIAN WILDERNESS OR
ALSO, THE CITIES.
FOR THE TRADE RELATIONSHIP, I
SEE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE SPACE
OF ENERGY, SO HYDROGEN IS GOING TO BE A BIG TOPIC IN THE NEXT COMING YEARS.
THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
COLLABORATE ON ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE.
I THINK THE SHARED VALUES OF BOTH
COUNTRIES CAN REALLY HELP US DRIVE
AN ETHICAL AND SUSTAINABLE USE
OF AI.
AND THE OTHER ONE I WOULD
MENTION IS GREEN SUPPLY CHAINS.
WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF
MINERALS HERE IN CANADA, THERE'S
AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE YOUR
SUPPLY CHAIN GREENER.

Text reads, On the Horizon.

Steve says, ALL RIGHT.
LET ME ASK THE AMBASSADOR ONE
FINAL QUESTION, AND THAT IS: YOU
KNOW, WE'VE BEEN VERY ACCUSTOMED
TO SEEING MUTTI AT THE HELM OF GERMANY FOR THE
LAST DECADE AND A HALF, AND OF COURSE ANGELA
MERKEL IS ABOUT TO LEAVE AT SOME
POINT WHEN YOU GET YOUR NEW
GOVERNMENT ORGANIZED.
HOW SURE CAN WE BE THAT THE NEW
GOVERNMENT OF GERMANY WILL HAVE
AS GOOD RELATIONS WITH CANADA AS
THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT DID?

Sabine says, GERMANY
HAS VOTED AND THE ONLY RESULT
THAT WAS CLEAR IS ANGELA MERKEL
IS NOT RUNNING ANYMORE AND I KNOW WE
RECEIVED A LOT OF NICE, GOOD
WISHES FROM CANADIANS WHO ALL
ADMIRED HER.
HAVING SAID THAT, THE NEW
GOVERNMENT THAT IS STILL BEING
ESTABLISHED RIGHT NOW -- WE HAVE
NEGOTIATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IN GERMANY, IT'S
ALWAYS A COALITION GOVERNMENT
THAT IS BEING ESTABLISHED AND WE
HAVE BASICALLY FOUR PARTIES WHO
ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
BUILD A COALITION, FROM THE
CONSERVATIVES, THE SOCIAL
DEMOCRATS, TO THE LIBERALS, AND
THE GREEN PARTY.
IT IS QUITE LIKELY THAT THERE
WILL BE A THREE-WAY COALITION,
THAT'S QUITE LIKELY, AND IT'S
QUITE LIKELY THAT THE SOCIAL
DEMOCRATS, THE LARGEST PARTY IN
THE ELECTION WILL BE IN THE
LEAD AND THAT THEIR LEADER
SCHOLZ, WHO IS OUR FINANCE
MINISTER RIGHT NOW, THAT
OLAF SCHOLZ MIGHT BE CHANCELLOR.
BUT THERE IS STILL ALSO THE OPTION
THAT THE CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS
MIGHT GET IN.
WHATEVER THE RESULT OF THIS
NEGOTIATION WILL BE, NUMBER ONE
TAKE-AWAY FROM THE ELECTION IS
THE EXTREMES HAVE BEEN WEAKENED,
THE PARTIES OF THE MIDDLE HAVE
BEEN STRENGTHENED.
NUMBER TWO IS, ALL OF THOSE FOUR
PARTIES I JUST MENTIONED ARE
PARTIES OF THE MIDDLE, WITH A
STRONG EUROPEAN DEDICATION, A
STRONG TRANSATLANTIC DEDICATION,
AND PARTIES THAT WILL FORM
STABLE AND VERY RELIABLE
GOVERNMENTS AND BE VERY GOOD
PARTNERS FOR CANADA.
I THINK CANADA HAS ONLY FRIENDS
IN GERMANY.
IT'S GOING TO BE NOT A PROBLEM
AT ALL TO HAVE THAT CHANGE IN
GOVERNMENT, BUT IT STILL WILL BE
INTERESTING BECAUSE WE WILL LOOK
FOR WAYS TO WORK TOGETHER MORE,
AND YVONNE HAS MENTIONED SOME
VERY IMPORTANT ONES.
ON CLIMATE CHANGE.
WE WILL NEED TO RAISE OUR LEVEL
OF AMBITION AND WE WILL
WANT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH
CANADA TO ESTABLISH HIGHER
TARGETS IN ORDER TO MEET CLIMATE
CHANGE.
WE WANT TO CREATE ALLIANCES OF
THE LIKE-MINDED.
OLAF SCHOLZ, THE LIKELY
CHANCELLOR, HAS PROPOSED A CLUB OF
LIKE-MINDED COUNTRIES WHO HAVE
HIGHER AMBITION ON CLIMATE
CHANGE.
THAT IS GOING TO BE AN AREA
WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO WORK
TOGETHER.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE WILL
LOOK AT CANADA AS A PARTNER TO
HELP US PRODUCE GREEN HYDROGEN,
BECAUSE GERMANY IS GOING TO BE
THE BIGGEST MARKET.
CANADA COULD BE ONE OF THE
WORLD'S BIGGEST PRODUCERS.
TO LOOK AT NATURAL RESOURCES
BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT TO DEPEND
ON UNRELIABLE COUNTRIES.
CANADA IS A VERY RELIABLE
COUNTRY.
SO, THERE IS PLENTY OF SCOPE, PLENTY OF
LOANING IN
OUR RELATIONSHIP AND THIS IS
HARVEST TIME.

Steve says, WE WILL CONTINUE TO
WATCH IT WITH GREAT INTEREST.
THANK YOU, AMBASSADOR SPARWASSER, AND
YVONNE DENZ, FOR JOINING US ON
TVO TONIGHT, CHEERS.

Sabine says, CHEERS.

Yvonne says, CHEERS.

Text reads, Produced by Harrison Lowman @harrisonlowman

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