Transcript: Indigenous Issues at the Ballot Box | Sep 15, 2021

Steve Paikin sits at the Agenda news desk. He wears a grey suit and a navy blue tie. A monitor behind him shows a red lowercase ‘a’. Paikin holds a red marker as he rests his hands on the desk. Papers, a cell phone, and a glass of water sit in front of him.

Text reads, “Indigenous Issues at the Ballot Box”.

Paikin states,
REVELATIONS OF THE
UNMARKED REMAINS OF INDIGENOUS
CHILDREN BURIED AT FORMER
RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL SITES OVER
THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS WAS
STUNNING NEWS FROM COAST TO
COAST TO COAST.
IT SEEMED TO HAVE HIT THIS
COUNTRY IN SUCH A WAY THAT MANY
EXPECTED IT TO PUT
RECONCILIATION AND INDIGENOUS
ISSUES FRONT AND CENTRE.
AND, THEN, THE ELECTION WAS
CALLED.
WITH US FOR THEIR IMPRESSIONS OF
THOSE ISSUES IN THE CAMPAIGN --
AND AS IS OUR CUSTOM, WE'LL
INTRODUCE OUR GUESTS FROM
FURTHEST AWAY TO CLOSEST TO OUR
STUDIO, STARTING IN:
THUNDER BAY, ONTARIO:
WILLOW FIDDLER, REPORTER FOR THE
GLOBE AND MAIL;
IN OTTAWA:
CINDY BLACKSTOCK, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR, FIRST NATIONS CHILD
AND FAMILY CARING SOCIETY OF
CANADA;
AND IN ONTARIO'S CAPITAL CITY:
PAM PALMATER, PROFESSOR, AND
CHAIR IN INDIGENOUS GOVERNANCE
AT WHAT IS AT LEAST FOR NOW
STILL CALLED RYERSON UNIVERSITY;
AND RILEY YESNO, A Ph.D. STUDENT
AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO,
WORKING ON QUESTIONS TO DO WITH
THE ATTITUDES OF INDIGENOUS
YOUTH.
AND WHO HAS PLAIN AND SIMPLY THE
BETTER TWITTER HANDLE I'VE EVER
SEEN IN MY LIFE, SHE IS
FOUND @RILEYYESNOMAYBE.
THAT IS PERFECT RILEY, I LOVE THAT
WELCOME TO THIS DISCUSSION
TONIGHT ON TVO. I WANT TO START
BY PLAYING A CLIP FROM STEVE
BONSPIEL, THIS IS FROM AN EPISODE
OF THIS PROGRAM SIX YEARS AGO ON
WHETHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLE
SHOULD VOTE IN CANADIAN
ELECTIONS. 2015. SHELDON, IF
YOU WOULD?

Steve Bonspiel sits in front of a skyline at sunset. He wears a blue polo shirt and has short blonde hair.

Steve says,
MY ARGUMENT IS THAT, FIRST OF
ALL, IT'S A FOREIGN SYSTEM, SO
WE SHOULD NOT BE PARTICIPATING.
BUT SECOND OF ALL, THAT IF WE
MERRILY PARTAKE IN THIS ELECTION,
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO
GET THE RESULT THAT WE WANT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THINGS ARE
GOING TO CHANGE IN TERMS OF HOW
THE GOVERNMENT DEALS WITH US,
WHICH IS VERY PATERNALISTIC, IT
DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE GOING TO GET
MORE LAND BACK, IT DOESN'T
NECESSARILY MEAN WE'LL GET OUR
POINT ACROSS AND BE EQUAL
PARTNERS AT THE TABLE.

Paikin responds,
CINDY BLACKSTOCK,
LET ME START WITH YOU AND I'D
LIKE TO HEAR EVERYBODY ON THIS.
DO YOU THINK THAT STILL
REPRESENTS THE MAJORITY OF
INDIGENOUS OPINION HERE TODAY?

Text reads, “Cindy Blackstock, First Nations Child and Family Caring Society”

Text continues, “Indigenous Issues at the Ballot Box, To Vote or Not to Vote?”

Cindy says,
IT'S A COMPLICATED DECISION TO
MAKE. I MEAN, WE ARE
INDEPENDENT NATIONS AND WE
WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR
OWN GOVERNMENT.
BUT I PERSONALLY CHOOSE TO VOTE
IN THE ELECTION BECAUSE I WANT
TO INFLUENCE HOW THE GOVERNMENT
IS RELATING TO FIRST NATIONS,
METIS, AND INUIT PEOPLES, WHICH
HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY VERY
COLONIAL AND STILL IS.

Paikin asks,
PAMELA PALMATER, HOW ABOUT YOU?

Text reads, “Pamela Palmater, Ryerson University”

Pamela replies,
I THINK A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
PEOPLE FEEL THAT WAY THAT, YOU
KNOW, WHY VOTE FOR YOUR NEXT
OPPRESSORS, YOUR NEXT COLONIZER.
AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE
WHO WOULD NORMALLY NOT VOTE
BECAUSE OF THAT IDEA BUT THEY
WANT TO VOTE AS A FORM OF HARM
REDUCTION.
SO NOT TO SAY I SUPPORT THIS
PARTY BUT OH, MY GOODNESS, LET'S
MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET THAT
PARTY IN. THERE ARE A NUMBER
LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO
EQUALLY VALID WANT TO VOTE AND
WANT TO PARTICIPATE AND TRY TO
INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF THE
ELECTION FOR GOOD PURPOSES OR TO
KEEP BAD PEOPLE OUT.

Paikin asks,
ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE?

Pamela responds, NO.

Paikin continues,
DO YOU EVER VOTE?

Pamela says, NO.

Paikin nods.

He adds,
GOTCHA.
RILEY, HOW ABOUT TO YOU?
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS
VIEW THAT THESE ARE ELECTIONS
PUT ON BY OUR COLONIAL
OPPRESSORS AND THEREFORE WE
OUGHT NOT TO PARTICIPATE?

Text reads, “Riley Yesno, University of Toronto”

Riley says,
I THINK THAT'S REALLY A VALID TAKE
FOR A LOT OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.
THE CLIP YOU SHOWED FROM 2015
STILL RESONATES FOR MANY FOLKS
AND I SAT HERE NODDING MY HEAD.
THE FACT IS CANADA CAN'T EXIST
WITHOUT THE CONTINUED
DISPOSSESSION OF INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE, BY TAKING OUR LAND AND
RESOURCES AND USING IT TO
PROFIT. AND SO,
FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IT FEELS
LIKE WHY WOULD I VOTE FOR ANY
OPPRESSORS AND FOR INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE WHOSE KEY CONCERNS ARE
SOME THAT STEVE MENTIONED IN
THAT CLIP, THINGS LIKE
SOVEREIGNTY, THINGS LIKE
LANDBACK, NO CANADIAN PARTY I
THINK AT THIS POINT AT LEAST HAS
EVER PRESENTED AN OPTION THAT
SAYS THAT THEY WILL SECURE THOSE
THINGS FOR US.
SO IT ALSO FEELS LIKE YOU'RE NOT
REALLY VOTING FOR SOMETHING
THAT'S GOING TO BRING MEANINGFUL
CHANGE.
I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT PAM WAS
SAYING ABOUT HOW WE CAN SEE THE
VOTE AS AN ACT OF HARM REDUCTION
AS WELL.
THAT'S SOMETIMES WHAT I BRING IN
MY MINDSET TO THE BALLOT AND I
HAVE VOTED IN EVERY ELECTION.

Paikin asks,
YOU HAVE VOTED AND
YOU WILL VOTE THIS TIME AS WELL?

Riley answers,
YES. I ALREADY DID.
ADVANCE POLLING.

Paikin responds,
GOTCHA. OKAY.
WILLOW, YOU'RE THE LAST ONE.
WHAT DO YOU SAY ON THIS?

Text reads, “Willow Fiddler, Globe and Mail”

Willow says,
I AGREE,
IT'S A COMPLICATED QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN
THE ELECTION PROCESS, AND THEN
I'LL JUST POINT OUT AGAIN, MAREK
McLEOD'S QUESTION AT THE
LEADERSHIP DEBATE, ANOTHER
IMPORTANT QUESTION INDIGENOUS
VOTERS ASK IS WHY SHOULD WE
TRUST ANY GOVERNMENT WHO
MAKES PROMISES AFTER 150 YEARS
OF OPPRESSION, BASICALLY, AND
COLONIAL SYSTEM THAT WE'VE LIVED
UNDER.

Paikin asks,
DO YOU VOTE IN THIS
ELECTION, WILLOW?

Willow answers,
I WILL VOTE. I HAVEN'T YET.
I WILL, THOUGH.

Paikin continues,
AND HAVE YOU VOTED IN THE PAST?

Willow replies,
I HAVE, YES. I HAVE -- BOTH.
I'VE BEEN BOTH A VOTER AND A
NON-VOTER.

Paikin responds,
I WONDER IF -- HMM.
WHAT SHOULD WE DO HERE?
CINDY, WOULD YOU ATTEMPT TO TRY
TO CONVINCE PAMELA WHY SHE OUGHT
TO VOTE EVEN THOUGH SHE NEVER
DOES?

Cindy says,
NO, I WOULDN'T, BECAUSE I THINK
HER CHOICE IS LEGITIMATE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE, ALL
OF US ON THIS PANEL, REALLY
PRESSING FOR THE PROPER CHANGES.
A VOTE IS JUST ONE WAY OF DOING
THAT.
PAM SPENDS HER ENTIRE LIFE
PUSHING FOR THAT CHANGE.
THAT ACTUALLY IS FAR MORE
IMPORTANT.
WE NEED TO AS A COLLECTIVE,
FIRST NATIONS, METIS, AND INUIT
PEOPLE, PUSH EVERY DAY.
THE TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION
COMMISSION'S CALL FOR ACTION,
THE MURDERED AND MISSING WOMEN'S
CALLS FOR JUSTICE. THE ROYAL
COMMISSION ON ABORIGINAL PEOPLES
RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE ARE SO
MANY SOLUTIONS AND ALL OF US NEED
TO BE PUSHING. NOT JUST US.
THE NON-INDIGENOUS POPULATION.
THEY NEED TO BE PUSHING AND
HOLDING THEIR OWN ELECTED
LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE LACK
OF ACTION.
THEY CHOOSE TO PERPETRATE THESE
INJUSTICES IN GOVERNMENT.
IT ISN'T A FAILURE.
IT ISN'T A MISTAKE.
IT'S A CHOICE BY THIS GOVERNMENT
AND OTHERS BEFORE IT TO
PERPETRATE THESE HARMS.

Paikin responds,
ALRIGHT, CONVERSELY, PAMELA,
WOULD YOU CARE TO TRY TO
CONVINCE THE OTHER THREE WHY
IT'S A WASTE OF THEIR TIME TO
VOTE AND THEY SHOULD DO LIKE YOU
AND NOT VOTE?

Pamela laughs.

She says,
NO, NEVER. THERE ARE LOTS OF
REASONS WHY. BECAUSE
UNDER THE UNITED NATIONS
DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS FOR
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, NOT ONLY DO
WE HAVE THE RIGHTS TO BE
SELF-GOVERNING, SOVEREIGN, AND
AUTONOMOUS OVER OUR OWN
TERRITORIES AND GOVERNMENTS,
WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT AS PEOPLE
WHO HAVE BEEN COLONIZED,
OCCUPIED TERRITORIES, TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE COLONIZING
GOVERNMENT AS WE CHOOSE.
WE HAVE THAT RIGHT.
AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT RIGHT.
AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, VOTING
IS PART OF IT. I AGREE WITH CINDY.
I THINK IF THE ONLY THING
CANADIANS EVER DID WAS VOTE,
WE'D BE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE.
WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE CANADIANS
NOT JUST TO USE THEIR NUMBERS TO
VOTE BUT TO ALSO TAKE ACTION AND
PUSH AND HOLD GOVERNMENTS TO
ACCOUNT. THAT'S WHERE THE
REAL CHANGE COMES IN.
VOTING IS LIKE THE LEAST A
CITIZEN COULD DO.

Paikin replies,
UNDERSTOOD. ALL RIGHT. I'M
GOING TO MOVE ON HERE AND,
WILLOW, WHY DON'T I START WITH
YOU ON THIS ONE?
WE WELL REMEMBER HOW SHOCKED
NONE INDIGENOUS CANADIANS
WERE ABOUT THE UNMARKED GRAVES
AT RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL.
IT REALLY SHOOK THE COUNTRY.
AND THEN THE ELECTION GOT
CALLED.
AND I'D LIKE YOUR SENSE ABOUT
HOW SIGNIFICANT THOSE
DISCOVERIES HAVE BEEN THROUGHOUT
THE COURSE OF THIS ELECTION
CAMPAIGN.

Willow says,
WELL, IT'S A QUESTION I'M HEARING,
IS WHY AREN'T THESE ISSUES KIND OF
FRONT AND CENTRE DURING THIS
CAMPAIGN?
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FEAR --
THE CONCERN OF HAVING SUCH A
QUICK ELECTION UNDER THESE
CIRCUMSTANCES OF A GLOBAL
PANDEMIC, I MEAN, THE THIRD
ELECTION IN SIX YEARS I THINK
REALLY PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON
INDIGENOUS VOTERS WHEN IT COMES
TO THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE
SEEING, LIKE THE BURIALS AND ALL
OF THAT. I MEAN, I THINK GENERALLY
SPEAKING THERE'S A CONCERN AND
FEAR THAT AS INDIGENOUS ISSUES
ARE GOING TO BE PUSHED BACK
FURTHER ANYWAY AND THERE'S THE
RISK OF THAT IN AN ELECTION AND
UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES I
THINK THAT'S EVEN MORE SO.
BUT THESE AREN'T -- I MEAN, THE
BURIALS, I JUST NEED TO POINT
OUT, THIS HASN'T BEEN FORGOTTEN
BY INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, BY
SURVIVORS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND
THEIR COMMUNITIES AND IT'S BEEN
AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE POLITICAL
PARTIES TO KIND OF REALLY TAKE
HOLD OF THAT, AND I DON'T THINK
WE'VE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF THAT
THIS TIME AROUND.

Paikin responds,
THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO FIND OUT.
RILEY, THE OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN
THERE FOR THIS TO BE A MUCH MORE
PROMINENT ISSUE DURING THE
CAMPAIGN THAN IT PERHAPS HAS
BEEN. DO YOU THINK THE
OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN SEIZED BY
THE MAINLINE POLITICAL PARTIES?

Riley answers,
I MEAN, I CERTAINLY THINK THE
OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN SEIZED
BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S KIND OF BOTH,
RIGHT, THAT WE'RE FRAMING THIS
NOW IN AN ELECTION TIME.
I FEEL TOO CONFLICTING SORT OF
THINGS ABOUT THIS.
ONE IS IT HASN'T BEEN TALKED
ABOUT ENOUGH, THAT INDIGENOUS
ISSUES GENERALLY HAVE NOT BEEN
TALKED ABOUT ENOUGH DURING THE
ELECTION CAMPAIGN. AND THEN
WE SEE PARTIES LIKE SAY THE
CONSERVATIVE PARTY THAT COMMIT
TO ONLY THE TRC COMMITMENTS THAT
DEAL WITH UNMARKED GRACES AND
BURIALS AND IT EFFECTIVELY
BECOMES A WAY FOR THEM TO
SCAPEGOAT THEIR LACK OF
COMMITMENT BY DEALING WITH THIS
THING THAT THEY THINK IS THE
TRENDY, ONLY THING PEOPLE ARE
TALKING ABOUT AT THE TIME AND
NOT ACTUALLY DEAL WITH MANY OF
THE THINGS THAT INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR FOR
DECADES AND CENTURIES.
AND SO IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE
HOW IT'S PLAYING OUT.
AND I THINK IT'S VERY TELLING
THE WAY CANADIANS ONLY A COUPLE
OF MONTHS AGO, RIGHT, WERE
WEARING THEIR ORANGE SHIRTS AND
FLYING THEIR FLAGS AT HALF-MAST.
NOW SO MANY PEOPLE ARE LINING UP
TO VOTE FOR POLITICAL LEADERS
WHO WILL TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS
OF RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS OR WHO IN
THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE PROMISED
THE WORLD TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE
AND DELIVERED NEXT TO NOTHING.
IT'S REALLY TELLING FROM AN
OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE TO WATCH THE
CANADIAN ELECTORATE.

Paikin says,
PAMELA, HOW ABOUT TO YOU.
THE MOMENTUM WE SAW ON THESE
ISSUES BEFORE THE ELECTION WAS
CALLED, DO YOU STILL SEE IT
HAPPENING NOW?

Pamela responds,
WELL, HERE'S WHAT I SEE.
THE MOMENTUM THAT WE HAD BEING
IN THE MEDIA ALL DIED OVERNIGHT
WHEN THE ELECTION WAS CALLED.
BUT THE MOMENTUM WITHIN
INDIGENOUS COMMUNITIES AND THE
CANADIAN POPULATION HASN'T
STOPPED.
BUT THERE'S A DISCONNECT.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T SEE THAT
MOMENTUM CONTINUING ON WITH THE
FEDERAL PARTY LEADERS, EITHER IN
THE DEBATES, THEIR PLATFORMS ARE
OR WHAT THEY'RE ADVOCATING.
SO THERE'S A REAL DISCONNECT.
THINK ABOUT IT.
THE SINGLE MOST PROMINENT ISSUE
IN THE MEDIA OVER THE LAST TWO
YEARS ASIDE FROM THE PANDEMIC
HAS BEEN INDIGENOUS ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, CINDY'S COURT CASE,
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTINUES
TO LITIGATE AGAINST FIRST
NATIONS KIDS IN FOSTER CARE.
THE DEPARTMENT OF FISHERIES AND
OCEANS TRYING TO STOP MI'KMAQ
PEOPLE FROM FISHING EVEN NOW
STILL, 1492 LANDBACK LANE, IT
WENT ON FOR OVER A YEAR.
THE MURDERED AND MISSING GIRLS
COMMISSION DOMINATED THE MEDIA.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SINGLE
MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE ADDRESSED
BY THESE FEDERAL PARTY LEADERS
BECAUSE CANADIANS
AS WE KNOW FROM THE RECENT
SURVEY SAID THEIR NUMBER ONE
ISSUE WAS INDIGENOUS ISSUES,
THAT RECONCILING WAS GOING TO BE
A PRIORITY IN HOW THEY VOTE.
HOW COULD THE FEDERAL PARTY
LEADERS NOT BE SO CONNECTED TO
WHAT CANADIAN CITIZENS
THEMSELVES ARE SAYING?

Paikin says,
WELL, CINDY
BLACKSTOCK, I KNOW YOU LOVE TO
COLLECT OLD REPORTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT
HELP US UNDERSTAND OUR CURRENT
CIRCUMSTANCES ANY BETTER?

Cindy answers,
YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'D
LIKE TO SAY IS THAT WE HAVE FIVE
THOUSAND CHILDREN IN UNMARKED
GRAVES NOW. THAT IS FIFTEEN
CHILDREN FOR EVERY MEMBER OF
PARLIAMENT WHO WILL BE
RUNNING FOR ELECTION.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND THE SURVIVORS LEFT THE WORK
PLAN FOR THE COUNTRY IN THE
TRC'S CALLS TO ACTIONS.
THERE HAVE BEEN TONS OF REPORTS.
THIS ONE IS FROM 1967.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN THREE YEARS
OLD.
IT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NEED
FOR EQUITY AND CULTURALLY BASED
"INDIAN EDUCATION" BACK THEN.
THEY HAVE A SECTION ON PUBLIC
OPINION THAT I THINK IS
RELEVANT.
IT SAYS THE PROPOSALS MADE IN
THIS STUDY ARE NOT LIKELY TO BE
ADOPTED ON THE SCALE OR WITH THE
SPEED REQUIRED UNLESS PUBLIC
OPINION CHANGES TOO.
AND AN ALERT AND INFORMED PUBLIC
WILL BRING ABOUT THE CHANGES
THAT ARE NEEDED.
PUBLIC INDIFFERENCE WILL RESULT
IN SLUGGISH POLITICAL ACTION,
LOW BUDGETS, AND POORLY
CONCEIVED PROJECTS WITH LOW
PRIORITIES.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND WHAT WE NEED TO EMBRACE AS
PEOPLE IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT
SERVES UP.
WHAT THEY OFTEN WANT TO DO IS
JUST GET OUR VOTE AND LEAVE THEM
ALONE FOR FOUR YEARS.
THAT CAN'T HAPPEN ON THIS.
BECAUSE CANADA IS A REPEAT
OFFENDER WHEN IT COMES TO
FIRST NATIONS, METIS, AND INUIT
CHILDREN. FIRST THE RESIDENTIAL
SCHOOLS, THE SIXTIES SCOOP AND
NOW IN VIOLATION OF TWENTY
LEGAL ORDERS TO STOP DISCRIMINATING
AGAINST FIRST NATIONS CHILDREN
IN FOSTER CARE AND TO ENSURE
THAT FIRST NATIONS CHILDREN GET
ADEQUATE PUBLIC SERVICES.
SO THIS IS NOT A TIME TO TURN
AWAY.
WE NEED TO REALLY TAKE HOLD OF
OUR POWER AS INDIVIDUALS TO
PRESS FOR CHANGE AND TELL THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHOEVER IS
IN POWER: YOU ARE ONLY GOING TO
GET IN POWER IF YOU'RE REALLY
COMMITTED TO DO THIS.
AND IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH,
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU OUT.

Paikin replies,
RILEY, I WANT TO START THIS NEXT
ROUND WITH YOU, AND THAT IS, THERE
ARE APPARENTLY SEVENTY-SEVEN
INDIGENOUS CANDIDATES RUNNING IN
THIS ELECTION AND THAT'S AN ALL-TIME
HIGH. AND IT'S UP FROM SIXTY-ONE IN
2019. SO THAT'S UP A LOT. WHAT DO
2020. YOU INFER FROM THAT?

Text reads, Indigenous Issues at the Ballot Box, Rock the Vote 2.0”

Riley says,
I THINK THAT
SHOWS JUST HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW
ACTIVE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE.
THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS
CONVERSATION ABOUT -- TO VOTE,
NOT TO VOTE, THE BENEFITS, AND
THAT'S WHY.
THAT'S ALL PART OF OUR
COLLECTIVE STRUGGLE TOWARDS
LIBERATION FOR INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE.
TO SEE SO MANY INDIGENOUS
CANDIDATES RUNNING MEANS THAT,
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE
PURSUING DIFFERENT SERIES OF
CHANGE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES.
ULTIMATELY I THINK IN MANY CASES
FOR THE BETTERMENT OF US ALL,
RIGHT?
I THINK IT ALSO SHOWS THAT AS
MUCH AS WE'RE SAYING VOTING IS
WHATEVER, THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE
OUT THERE WHO ALSO SEE THIS AS A
WAY TO GET VOICES IN PARLIAMENT.
I OFTEN THINK WHEN I THINK ABOUT
INDIGENOUS REPRESENTATION IN
POLITICS, RIGHT, THAT WHERE I
SEE THE MOST BENEFIT THAT I CAN
HAVE IS TO BE ABLE TO ACT AS
ANOTHER LAYER OF HARM REDUCTION
IN PARLIAMENT.
DO I THINK THAT CANADA OR ANY
CANADIAN-ELECTED OFFICIALS,
INDIGENOUS OR NOT, ARE EVER
GOING TO AGAIN BRING SOVEREIGNTY
LAND BACK, ALL THOSE THINGS?
PROBABLY NOT.
DO I THINK THEY CAN VOTE AGAINST
HARMFUL AND REGRESSIVE BILLS?
ABSOLUTELY.
I CAN ACCEPT THAT THEORY OF
CHANGE FOR MANY PEOPLE.

Paikin responds,
LET ME PUT THAT TO PAMELA.
PAMELA, YOU TOLD US ALREADY YOU
DON'T VOTE, YOU'VE NEVER VOTED,
AND YET HERE ARE INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY RUNNING
TO SERVE IN THE PARLIAMENT OF
CANADA, AND SOME OF THEM NO
DOUBT WILL WIN.
WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT?

Pamela replies,
I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH
NATIVE PEOPLE ARE ACTIVELY
WORKING TO PURSUE CHANGE IN THE
WAY THAT THEY FEEL THEY CAN
USING THE OPPORTUNITIES THEY
CAN, I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC.
I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE
CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT
FROM THAT.
SO CAN WE EXPECT THAT THAT, YOU
KNOW, SOLE INDIGENOUS MP IS
GOING TO BE ABLE TO COUNTER BAD
THINGS IN THEIR PARTY?
NO, THEY HAVE TO TOE THE PARTY
LINE.
SO WHILE THERE ARE INDIGENOUS
CANDIDATES, WE JUST HAVE TO
REMEMBER THAT THEY'RE MEMBERS OF
PARTIES, THEY MUST TOE THE PARTY
LINE, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO
REMEMBER.
AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO
REMEMBER: THERE'S SOME REAL
HEROES. FORMER NDP MP
ROMEO SAGANASH HAS
BEEN SO EFFECTIVE AT SPEAKING
OUT, AT LOBBYING.
AND HE WAS PART OF THE MANY
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO
BRING FORWARD THE UNITED NATIONS
DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THERE'S A FORCE BEHIND
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES WHO ARE THERE
WITH THEIR TRADITIONAL CULTURAL
VALUES AND ARE ALWAYS WORKING
FORWARD TO CHANGE.
I EMBRACE ALL OUR WARRIORS OUT
THERE TRYING TO ADVOCATE IN THE
BEST WAY THEY CAN.

Paikin says,
WILLOW, I NOTE THAT IN THE
ONTARIO LEGISLATURE WHEN
SOL MAMAKWA GETS UP TO ASK A
QUESTION, HE GETS SOMETHING NO
OTHER MP GETS. THEY GET SILENCE.
PEOPLE LISTEN. THEY SHOW HIM A
LEVEL OF RESPECT THAT THEY DON'T
SHOW ANY OF THE OTHER MPPS.
SO WHAT'S YOUR VIEW ON WHETHER A
SINGLE INDIGENOUS MP, IN THIS
CASE, CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE?

Willow responds,
YEAH, SOL HAS BEEN A REALLY
INTERESTING CASE.
HE KIND OF HAS A REPUTATION HERE
IN THE NORTH.
HE'S VERY COMMUNITY GROUNDED,
GROUNDED IN HIS OWN COMMUNITY
AND THE COMMUNITIES HERE. HE'S
ESTABLISHED A RELATIONSHIP
BEFOREHAND.
AND I THINK IT'S PART OF -- YOU
KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF SEEING THAT
STRATEGY PLAY OUT IN THE NDP
THIS TIME AROUND -- WELL, I
MEAN, ACTUALLY, A COUPLE OF
TIMES ANYWAYS WHEN IT COMES TO
THE INDIGENOUS VOTE USING
INDIGENOUS CANDIDATES TO GARNER
THOSE VOTES.
IT'S A STRATEGY THAT COULD BE
EFFECTIVE AND I KIND OF THINK
THAT'S WHAT THE NDP IS HOPING
FOR.
THERE ARE RIDINGS, SIGNIFICANT
RIDINGS WITH HIGH FIRST NATIONS
VOTERS AND THOSE COULD, YOU
KNOW, HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO
DETERMINE OUTCOMES IN THOSE
RIDINGS.
ONE OF THOSE IS HERE IN
NORTHWESTERN ONTARIO, IN KENORA,
WHERE THERE'S AN INDIGENOUS
CANDIDATE FOR THE NDP, AND NOT
ONLY THAT, BUT TANYA CAMERON WHO
IS ORGANIZING BEHIND THE SCENES
THERE REALLY IS CONNECTED,
ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, KNOWS HOW
TO DO THE WORK, AND IF THERE'S
ANY CHANCE THAT AN INDIGENOUS
CANDIDATE WILL WIN, IT'S BECAUSE
OF THAT WORK BEHIND THE SCENES
AND I THINK ON THE GROUND THAT
MAKES IT HAPPEN.

Paikin says,
RILEY, LET ME FOLLOW
UP ON THAT WITH YOU.
BECAUSE IN 2015 AND IN 2019,
THERE WAS I THINK A SIGNIFICANT
PUSH BY MANY IN THE INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITY TO GET PEOPLE, IN
PARTICULAR YOUNG INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE, OUT TO VOTE.
IS THAT PUSH STILL HAPPENING
THIS TIME AROUND?

Riley replies,
YEAH, I THINK IT IS. I WILL SAY I
DON'T KNOW TO WHAT SUCCESS.
I THINK THAT INDIGENOUS YOUTH
OBVIOUSLY -- THERE'S A REAL
VESTED INTEREST FOR POLITICAL
PARTIES IN THIS COUNTRY TO
CAMPAIGN TO INDIGENOUS YOUTH AS
POORLY AS THEY DO IT.
WE'RE THE FASTEST GROWING
POPULATION IN THE COUNTRY.
FOR LONG TERM PARTY BUILDING,
THIS IS A DEMOGRAPHIC THEY WOULD
ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE ABLE TO
CONVINCE THAT THEY ARE THE BEST
LEADERS AND THE BEST PARTY.
BUT YOUNG PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY
ARE ALWAYS ON THE FRONT LINES,
INDIGENOUS YOUNG PEOPLE ARE
ALWAYS ON THE FRONT LINES OF OUR
RESISTANCE MOVEMENT.
THEY HAVE GROWN UP SEEING THE
VIOLENCE THAT CANADA HAS ENACTED
ON OUR PEOPLE.
AND I THINK ARE SOME OF THE MOST
RADICAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT
WE HAVE FROM COAST TO COAST TO
COAST.
SO I THINK THAT PERHAPS MORE SO
THAN IN MY GRANDPARENTS'
GENERATION, AND MY
GRANDPARENTS -- MY COLLEAGUES
HAVE REALLY INTENSE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR
NOT VOTING IS WORTH IT, WHETHER
OR NOT WE WANT TO BE PART OF THE
SYSTEM AT ALL, AND MORE AND MORE
PEOPLE I THINK IDENTIFYING WITH
THEIR NATIONS RATHER THAN WITH
CANADIANS WHICH HAS AN EFFECT
COME ELECTION TIME.

Paikin adds,
IN WHICH CASE,
CINDY, MAYBE YOU COULD GIVE
ADVICE TO THE NON-INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE WATCHING THIS RIGHT NOW
AND WHEN THEY GO TO THE BALLOT
BOX, THOSE WHO HAVEN'T VOTED IN
THE ADVANCE POLLS, WHEN THEY DO
THAT ON SEPTEMBER TWENTIETH
WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE
THEM THINK AS THEY GET SET TO
MARK THEIR "X" SOMEWHERE ON
THE BALLOT?

Cindy responds,
IT'S NOT
ONLY ASKING THEM KEY QUESTIONS
ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO
SPECIFICALLY TO IMPLEMENT THE
TRC CALLS TO ACTION, THE
MURDERED AND MISSING INDIGENOUS
WOMEN AND GIRLS CALLS FOR
JUSTICE AND TO STOP LITIGATING
AGAINST SURVIVORS AND FIRST
NATIONS KIDS IN COURT, IT'S A
QUESTION OF CHARACTER.
THERE ARE KIND OF TWO KINDS OF
LEADERS: THERE'S PEOPLE WHO WANT
TO BE SOMEONE, AND THEN THERE'S
PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO SOMETHING,
THAT HAVE THE MORAL COURAGE TO
STAND UP AGAINST THEIR PARTY,
WHEN NECESSARY, TO PUT THE
PEOPLE FIRST. THAT'S THE KIND
OF LEADER I WANT TO VOTE FOR.
I DON'T WANT SOMEONE LIKE I HAVE
CURRENTLY IN MY RIDING WHO WON'T
EVEN RESPOND TO CONSTITUENT'S
EMAILS WHEN THEY DISAGREE WITH
HER PLATFORM.
THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF
LEADERSHIP WE SHOULD BE VOTING
FOR UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO THAT QUESTION OF MORAL
COURAGE IS IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK JODY
WILSON-RAYBOULD, JANE PHILPOTT
SHOW THAT EVEN WHEN YOU ARE
MORALLY COURAGEOUS AND YOU STAND
UP FOR GOOD GOVERNANCE, THAT
THAT MEANS THAT YOU MIGHT BE
TOSSED OUT.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU
SHOULDN'T DO IT.
YOU HAVE TO ACT WITH INTEGRITY.
AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE ON THOSE
DIFFICULT ISSUES IF WE'RE NOT
GOING TO HAVE KIND OF A
GOVERNMENT THAT IS JUST
DEMOCRACY IN NAME ONLY.

Paikin asks,
YOU'RE GOING TO
FORGIVE THIS FOLLOW-UP QUESTION
BUT IT SEEMS PRETTY OBVIOUS.
DO YOU WANT TO TELL US WHO
YOU'RE VOTING FOR?

Cindy answers,
I CAN'T TELL YOU WHO I’M VOTING
FOR. I ACTUALLY ALREADY VOTED.
BUT I VOTED FOR THE PARTY THAT
HAD THE MOST IN TERMS OF THE
CAMPAIGN ON FIRST NATIONS,
METIS, AND INUIT PEOPLE AND ALSO
ON THE ENVIRONMENT, WHICH I ALSO
CARE A LOT ABOUT.
I ALSO VOTED FOR THE LEADER THAT
I FELT HAD THE MOST INTEGRITY.
AND I'M HOPING OTHER PEOPLE WILL
DO THAT TOO.

Paikin responds,
I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE IT TO
MYSELF TO INFER WHAT THAT MEANT.
SO DO YOU WANT TO FILL IN THE
BLANK?

Cindy says,
NO! I THINK PEOPLE CAN GO AND
LOOK AT THOSE PLATFORMS.
I TRY TO BE A NON-PARTISAN.
I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO VOTE WITH
THEIR HEART, NOT VOTE BECAUSE
CINDY BLACKSTOCK IS VOTING IN A
CERTAIN WAY.
I THINK THAT WHEN WE DEMAND
CHANGE, WE HAVE TO PUSH FOR IT.
AND SO -- AND I DO THAT NOT ONLY
ON VOTING DAY BUT OF COURSE IN
COURTROOMS AND IN PUBLIC ACROSS
THE OTHER 365 DAYS A YEAR.

Paikin adds,
INDEED YOU DO. ALL RIGHT, PAMELA.
DO YOU WANT TO OFFER OUR VIEWERS
AND LISTENERS ANY ADVICE ON WHO
YOU THINK HAS THE BEST PLATFORM
OUT THERE AS IT RELATES TO
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE?

Pamela replies,
LET'S SAY IT'S NOT THE CONSERVATIVES.
IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE'S PARTY OF
CANADA.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT
THE OTHER PLATFORMS, BUT WE HAVE
TO BE CAREFUL.
WHAT I WOULD WANT PEOPLE TO DO
IS NOT NECESSARILY LOOK AT
INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES BECAUSE
LITERALLY YOUR BEST FRIEND COULD
BE RUNNING IN THE ELECTION, YOUR
MOM COULD BE RUNNING IN THE
ELECTION.
BUT WHAT DOES THE PLATFORM STAND
FOR?
AND DOES IT STAND FOR HUMAN
RIGHTS?
DOES IT STAND FOR INDIGENOUS
RECONCILIATION, CLIMATE CHANGE,
SOCIAL EQUALITY, ENDING SYSTEMIC
RACISM?
YOU CAN ANSWER YES TO ALL OF
THAT, THEN YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL
PLATFORMS TO CHOOSE FROM.
HOWEVER, IF YOU'VE GOT A
PLATFORM LIKE THE CONSERVATIVES'
THAT IS ATTACKING HUMAN RIGHTS
AND WANT TO REINSTATE -- YOU
KNOW, GET RID OF THE GUN BAN
AND, YOU KNOW, ROLL BACK WOMEN'S
RIGHTS ON ABORTION -- I MEAN,
THESE ARE VERY REGRESSIVE
POLICIES.
SO I WOULDN'T TELL THEM WHICH
ONE TO VOTE FOR BUT I'D SAY
DEFINITELY NOT THE CONSERVATIVES
OR THE PEOPLE'S PARTY.

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Paikin responds,
EVEN THOUGH THERE
ARE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE
RUNNING FOR THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY?

Pamela says,
ALLEGED INDIGENOUS PEOPLE. SO OF
THE SEVENTY-SEVEN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO
REMEMBER, SOME OF THEM ARE ONLY
DECLARING OR IDENTIFYING AS
INDIGENOUS DURING THIS ELECTION.
SO WE HAVE TO -- THESE ARE THE
SEVENTY-SEVEN SELF-IDENTIFIED
PEOPLE. WE DON'T KNOW THAT
THEY'RE ACTUALLY INDIGENOUS.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO BE
CAREFUL FOR.

Paikin adds,
OKAY. RILEY, HOW ABOUT TO YOU?
ANY ADVICE FOR THOSE WATCHING OR
LISTENING?

Riley responds,
YEAH. I MEAN, I WILL SAY HAVING
ANALYSED ALL THE PLATFORMS, I
WOULD SAY THAT I THINK, YOU
KNOW, JUST READING FROM THE TOP
THAT THE NDP HAVE THE STRONGEST
PLATFORM WHEN IT COMES TO
INDIGENOUS ISSUES.
BUT I SAY THIS WITH THE CAVEAT,
AND IT'S A BIG ONE, RIGHT?
WHEN WE THINK BACK TO, SAY, 2015
ELECTION, JUSTIN TRUDEAU ALSO
HAD, YOU KNOW, AT THAT TIME THE
BEST PLATFORM I HAD SEEN FOR
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE EVER.
HE MADE SO MANY PRETTY PROMISES.
AND HERE WE ARE SIX YEARS LATER
WITH SO LITTLE TO SHOW FOR IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, ALSO THAT PLATFORM
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN
ANYTHING WHEN WE SEE WHAT
IMPACTS WE WANT.
WHAT ACTUALLY MATTERS IS WHAT
MEANINGFUL DAY-TO-DAY CHANGES
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE SEE AND FEEL
ON THE GROUND, AND THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A
LOT MORE THAN JUST A VOTE TO
GET.
BUT I WILL ECHO THAT PROBABLY
NOT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY, THE
LIBERAL PARTY WHO I HAVE SEEN
THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN
ACTIVELY TRY AND REWRITE THE
RELATIONSHIP WITH INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WATCH
THE DEBATE, YOU SAW JUSTIN
TRUDEAU JUST STRAIGHT UP LIE
ABOUT TAKING INDIGENOUS KIDS TO
COURT.
YOU SAW ERIN O'TOOLE SAY THAT
CANADA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A COUNTRY
THAT STOOD AGAINST APARTHEID, AS
IF THE INDIAN ACT IS NOT ON THE
BOOKS RIGHT NOW.
THAT OFF THE HOP SHOWS THAT
THOSE ARE PARTIES THAT ARE SO
OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REALITY OF
THIS COUNTRY AND INDIGENOUS
PEOPLE AND ARE NOT SOMEBODY THAT
COULD GET MY VOTE.

Cindy adds,
STEVE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY
NEED TO WATCH OUT FOR IS WHEN ANY
PARTY SAYS, "OH, THE REASON WE
HAVEN'T MADE ANY PROGRESS IS
BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING TO FIRST
NATIONS, METIS, OR INUIT
PEOPLE." THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
WE HAVE BEEN CALLING FOR CHANGE
FOR DECADES AND HUNDREDS OF
YEARS. IT IS INAPPROPRIATE TO
FOIST RESPONSIBILITY FOR
GOVERNMENT'S LACK OF ACTION AND
ACCOUNTABILITY ONTO FIRST
NATIONS, METIS, AND INUIT PEOPLE.
THAT'S DISGUSTING TO ME.

Riley raises her hand. She taps her thumb against her index finger

Paikin asks,
RILEY, YOU DID SOMETHING THERE.
WHAT WAS THAT?

Riley says,
THAT WAS A SNAP. LIKE WHEN YOU SEE
A GOOD SLAM POEM OR SOMETHING.

Paikin laughs.

He responds,
GOTCHA. OKAY.
WILLOW, I'VE GOT A FEELING GIVEN
YOU'RE WITH THE GLOBE AND MAIL
AND YOU'RE A JOURNALIST COVERING
THIS STUFF THAT I SHOULDN'T ASK
YOU WHO PEOPLE SHOULD VOTE FOR.
I'LL TAKE A PASS ON THAT ONE.
IF AS YOU CALL IT THE COLONIAL
PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM HAS BEEN
UNABLE TO DELIVER JUSTICE TO
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FOR MORE THAN
A CENTURY AND A HALF IN THIS
COUNTRY, WHAT IS THE NEXT OPTION
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE THINKING
ABOUT?

Willow replies,
GOOD QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S --
THERE'S SO MUCH WORK BEING DONE
BY FIRST NATIONS AND INDIGENOUS
COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW,
NON-PARTISAN WORK THAT REALLY
ADDRESSES -- ADDRESSES IS A LOT
OF THESE ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO
CLEAN DRINKING WATER, IN
NESKANTAGA FOR EXAMPLE, AND
THEIR ONGOING TROUBLES OF
GETTING THEIR BOIL WATER
ADVISORY LIFTED, AND THE ONE
THING I'M HEARING IS ENOUGH
OF THIS OTTAWA KNOWS BEST
APPROACH, YOU KNOW, OTTAWA
TOP-DOWN.
IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT.
IT HAS TO START FROM THE
COMMUNITY, IT STARTS FROM THERE.
AND JUST ECHOING WHAT OTHERS
HAVE SAID.
THEY HAVE THE SOLUTIONS AND THEY
JUST NEED TO BE LISTENED TO.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT REPORTS,
REPORTS, REPORTS THAT OUTLINE
ALL THIS WORK.
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER POLITICAL
PARTY TO COME IN AND START
FRESH.
THAT'S NOT WHAT INDIGENOUS AND
FIRST NATIONS COMMUNITIES AND
PEOPLE NEED.
A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, THEY
DON'T SEE THEM AS PARTISAN
ISSUES AND THEY'RE NOT WHEN IT
COMES TO CLEAN DRINKING WATER,
THAT'S NOT A RECONCILIATION
ISSUE.
THAT'S A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE.
WE KNOW THAT AND WE HAVE TO ACT
ON THAT AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
HAVE ANYTHING OPTIMISTIC TO SAY
IN TERMS OF HOW THAT WORK IS
GOING TO GET DONE AT THIS POINT
IN THE ELECTION.

Paikin says,
LET ME GIVE THE LAST MINUTE THEN
TO PAMELA ON THAT QUESTION.
IF THE PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM OF
THIS COUNTRY HASN'T DELIVERED
JUSTICE FOR INDIGENOUS PEOPLE,
WHAT NEXT?

Pamela responds,
WELL, I THINK IT BRINGS THE
COUNTRY'S SYSTEM INTO DISREPUTE.
WE ALREADY KNOW THAT POLICING ON
A WIDE-SCALE HAS ALREADY BEEN
BROUGHT INTO DISREPUTE.
CANADIANS ARE WELL AWARE OF
SYSTEMIC RACISM, BRUTALITY AND
CORRUPTION.
AND IT WILL BE THE SAME THING
WITH THIS GOVERNMENT.
SO OFTENTIMES PEOPLE FEAR, OH,
WHAT WILL INDIGENOUS PEOPLES DO?
I THINK THEY NEED TO BE THINKING
ABOUT, WHAT WILL CANADIANS DO?
WHAT WILL CANADIANS THINK?
HOW WILL THEY REACT?
WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE PATH
FORWARD WITH CANADIANS?
IF CANADIANS NO LONGER SEE
THEMSELVES AS PART OF A
LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT?
YOU CAN'T SAY YOU'RE A WORLD
CHAMPION DEFENDER OF HUMAN
RIGHTS AND THEN CONTINUE TO
COMMIT ATROCIOUS HUMAN RIGHTS
ABUSES AND NOT EVEN ADDRESS
THE ONGOING GENOCIDE. SO I THINK
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS
THIS GOING TO MEAN FOR CANADA
MOVING FORWARD IF THEY START
THINKING THEY DON'T HAVE A
LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT.

Paikin says,
AS YOU FOUR ALWAYS
DO, WHEN YOU APPEAR ON THE
PROGRAM, YOU GIVE US SO MUCH TO
THINK ABOUT. SO THANK YOU FOR
COMING HERE TONIGHT. WILLOW
FIDDLER, CINDY BLACKSTOCK,
PAMELA PALMATER, RILEY YESNO.
BE WELL EVERYBODY, THANK YOU SO
MUCH.

The guests respond, THANK YOU.

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