Transcript: Why is Baseball So Appealing? | Jun 15, 2021

Steve sits in a room with white walls, a low slanted ceiling and several framed pictures on the walls including one of Walter Cronkite. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a blue shirt and a striped and checked blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Why is baseball so appealing? @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says HOW MUCH DO YOU LOVE BASEBALL? COULD YOU GO TO A GAME EVERY MONTH? HOW ABOUT EVERY WEEK? WELL, DALE JACOBS AND HEIDI LM JACOBS LOVE BASEBALL SO MUCH, THEY DECIDED TO TAKE IN 50 GAMES IN ONE SUMMER, AND ALL OF THE GAMES TOOK PLACE WITHIN A COUPLE HOURS' DRIVE OF THEIR HOME. NOW, THAT'S DEDICATION! THEY WROTE ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE IN: "100 MILES OF BASEBALL: 50 GAMES, ONE SUMMER," AND IT BRINGS DALE AND HEIDI JACOBS TO OUR AIRWAVES TONIGHT FROM WINDSOR, ONTARIO.

Dale is in his fifties, balding, with a gray goatee. He's wearing glasses and a striped black polo shirt.

Heidi is in her fifties, with long curly blond hair. She's wearing glasses and a short-sleeved black blouse.

A picture of their book appears briefly on screen. The cover features a picture of a baseball player seen from behind as he sits facing an open space.

Steve continues NICE TO MEET YOU TWO. THIS WAS A GREAT, FUN READ FOR YOURS TRULY, AND IT SOUND LIKE YOU HAD A PRETTY GOOD TIME WRITING IT AS WELL. WE JUST WANT TO SHOW EVERYBODY WHERE YOU GUYS ARE. TONY, IF YOU WOULD. BRING UP THIS MAP. ALL OF THE BASEBALL GAMES THAT YOU WENT TO ARE ESSENTIALLY WITHIN THAT CIRCLE, WITHIN THAT RADIUS, WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HOURS' DRIVE OF WINDSOR, ONTARIO. AND, DALE, I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS PRETTY OBVIOUS: WHOSE CRAZY IDEA WAS THIS ANYWAY?

A map of southern Ontario pops up briefly showing a large circle around Windsor and Detroit. The circumference touches the cities of London, Ontario and Cleveland, Ohio.

The caption changes to "Dale Jacobs. Co-Author, '100 mile of baseball.'"

Dale says I THINK IT WAS COLLABORATIVE. WE HAD TICKETS FOR THE TIGERS FOR YEARS, AND AFTER ABOUT TEN YEARS, WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO SEE OTHER KINDS OF BASEBALL. WE KICKED AROUND WHAT TO DO, AND WE HAD THIS IDEA... IT WAS KIND OF A RIFF ON 100-MILE DIET, WHAT IF WE SEE AS MANY KINDS OF BASEBALL AS WE CAN WITHIN 100 MILES OF OUR HOUSE.

Steve says HEIDI, WHY DO IT?

The caption changes to "Heidi Jacobs. Co-Author, '100 mile of baseball.'"

Heidi laughs, then says WELL, I THINK WE WERE BOTH FEELING A LITTLE DISCONNECTED. WE HAD SEASON'S TICKETS FOR QUITE A WHILE WITH THE TIGERS, AND WE WONDERED WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE? IT MADE US THINK WHAT'S IN OUR OWN BACK YARD. WE NARROWED IT DOWN. IT GAVE US A CHANCE TO FOCUS ON RELEARNING WHAT WE NEW ABOUT BASEBALL. HAVING THAT 100-MILE PERIMETER IN 50 GAMES GAVE US STRUCTURE AND IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE AT THE TIME.

Steve says DALE, THAT WAS THE NEAT THING ABOUT IT. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE STICKING WITHIN 100 MILES OF YOUR HOME, IT'S NOT JUST MAJOR LEAGUE GAMES. SO WHAT OTHER LEAGUES WERE YOU WATCHING BEYOND MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL?

Dale says WE SAW EVERYTHING FROM HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL. THAT WAS THE YOUNGEST. HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL. UNIVERSITY BASEBALL. AMATEUR MEN'S LEAGUE. WE SAW MINOR LEAGUE. A COUPLE OF SINGLE-A GAMES. WE SAW INDEPENDENT MINOR LEAGUES. AND WE SAW SOME HISTORIC BASEBALL WHERE THEY PLAY WITH 1865 RULES. THAT'S A PRETTY BIG THING IN MICHIGAN, ACTUALLY.

Steve says AND WAS IT THE PLAN, HEIDI, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING TO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE?

Heidi says I THINK IT WAS. ONCE WE HAD THE IDEA OF DOING THIS 100-MILE 50-GAME THING, IT MADE SENSE. THERE'S A GREAT NARRATIVE ABOUT IT. THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE INTERESTED IN BASEBALL. WE TALKED TO DAN WELLS AND HE WAS REALLY GAME RIGHT OFF THE BAT. SO, YEAH, IT MADE SENSE. I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HARD TO DO AFTER THE BAT. SO THE FACT THAT WE STARTED RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING TO THINK ABOUT TAKING NOTES AND WRITING REALLY HELPED THE WRITING OF THE BOOK. SO IT HAS THAT IMMEDIACY OF ACTUALLY BEING THERE.

Steve says WELL, DALE, I KNOW FOR MOST PEOPLE WATCHING THIS, THE BLUE JAYS ARE OBVIOUSLY CANADA'S TEAM. BUT THERE ARE SOME PLACES IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE THE HOME TEAM OR THE FAVOURITE TEAM IS ACTUALLY NOT THE BLUE JAYS, AND YOU'RE IN ONE OF THOSE PLACES BECAUSE YOU'RE A HOP, SKIP, AND JUMP FROM COMERICA PARK IN DETROIT. HOW DID YOU FIND THE BASEBALL EXPERIENCE AT COMERICA PARK?

Two pictures appear briefly on screen side to side. The one on the left shows a large sign that reads "Comerica Park", flanked by two statues of tigers. The one on the right shows an aerial view of a baseball field.

Dale says COMERICA IS A GREAT PLACE TO WATCH BASEBALL. WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE. IT'S ONE OF MY FAVOURITE PARKS IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES. IT HAS GREAT SIGHT LINES AND IT'S LESS THAN 10 MILES FROM OUR HOUSE. AND IT'S JUST GREAT. WE CAN ACTUALLY TAKE THE TUNNEL BUS OVER AND SEE A GAME. IT'S GREAT. IT'S A GOOD DAY OUT AND A LOT OF FUN.

Steve says I WAS INTERESTED IN YOUR OBSERVATION THAT YOUR FOCUS ON THE TIGERS, WHICH OF COURSE IS MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, DESPITE HOW BADLY THEY'RE DOING... SORRY. YOUR FOCUS ON MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL ACTUALLY OBSCURED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU LOVE ABOUT BASEBALL. WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT, DALE?

The caption changes to "Dale Jacobs, @tigerpride."

Dale says ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU WATCH ONLY MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, YOU START TO FORGET WHAT A DIFFICULT GAME BASEBALL REALLY IS. THEY JUST MAKE IT LOOK SO EASY. AND SO I THINK IT WAS GOOD TO GET BACK TO WATCHING, YOU KNOW, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AND UNIVERSITY STUDENTS LEARNING HOW TO PLAY THE GAME AND WATCHING AMATEURS IN THEIR EARLY 30s PLAY JUST BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE GAME SO MUCH. AND THEN I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS, A LOT MORE CAN HAPPEN IN SOME WAYS AT THESE OTHER LEVELS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT JUST STRIKEOUTS AND HOME RUNS, THERE'S A LOT MORE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT SCORING HAPPENS, AND THERE ARE MORE ERRORS AND IT'S JUST MORE UNPREDICTABLE, I THINK, WHAT CAN HAPPEN AT THE PARK.

Steve says IT IS TRUE THAT BASEBALL HAS GOT TO BE THE ONLY GAME WHERE YOU CAN FAIL SEVEN TIMES OUT OF TEN AND STILL END UP IN THE HALL OF FAME. THAT SHOWS YOU HOW DIFFICULT IT IS. WE'RE TALKING OF COURSE ABOUT A 300 AVERAGE OVER THE LIFETIME OF A CAREER. HEIDI, DO WOMEN AND MEN AS A GENERAL RULE WATCH BASEBALL DIFFERENTLY?

The caption changes to "Heidi Jacobs, @LitAtLeddy."

Heidi says THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WELL, THIS WOMAN AND THIS MAN CERTAINLY WATCH BASEBALL DIFFERENTLY, I HAVE TO SAY THAT. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL MEN AND WOMEN. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME WAS WATCHING PEOPLE WATCH BASEBALL AND SEEING THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE INTERACTED WITH THE SPORT AND HOW THEY WATCHED AND WHAT THEY WATCHED FOR, AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ATTENTION GIVEN TO THE FACT THAT THERE AREN'T A LOT OF FEMALE FANS AT MLB GAMES. WHAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME WAS HOW OFTEN, WHEN WE WENT TO SOME OF THE AMATEUR AND HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE-LEVEL BASEBALL, HOW OFTEN THOSE STANDS WERE FILLED BY WOMEN WHO REALLY, REALLY KNEW THE GAME AND THEY KNEW THE PLAYERS AND THEY KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. SO IT REALLY DEPENDS, I THINK, ON WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHICH FANS. BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION CERTAINLY.

Steve says NOW, I SHOULD ASK BOTH OF YOU THIS NEXT QUESTION, SO, DALE, YOU START US OFF HERE. I CAN IMAGINE DOING WHAT YOU DO. I THINK 50 GAMES IN ONE SUMMER SOUNDS PRETTY COOL. BUT WITH ONE PERSON. NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. DID YOU TWO, DALE, EVER GET ON EACH OTHER'S NERVES IN THE COURSE OF DOING THIS?

Dale says NO, I DON'T THINK WE DID, ACTUALLY. AT THE GAMES WE WERE KIND OF IN OUR OWN LITTLE WORLD A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE WERE SO FOCUSED ON TAKING NOTES AND OUR OWN ENGAGEMENT WITH THE GAME, AND THEN WE REALLY TALKED ONLY GOING TO AND FROM THE GAMES AS WE TALKED ABOUT OUR EXPECTATIONS OR DEBRIEFED. YOU KNOW, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT NEARLY AS MUCH TIME AS WE'VE HAD TOGETHER SINCE CoVID CAME. MAYBE IT WAS A GOOD WAY TO GET READY FOR THAT.

Steve says HEIDI, HOW ABOUT YOU? DID YOU EVER GET SICK OF HIM?

Heidi says NO. NO, NOT AT ALL. I THINK DALE IS RIGHT. WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON IT, WE WERE ALMOST ALONE TOGETHER IN THE PARK BECAUSE WE WERE SO FOCUSED ON THE NOTES THAT WE WERE TAKING AND WATCHING THE GAME AND THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE WERE SEEING IN FRONT OF US THAT REALLY THE ONLY TIME WE ACTUALLY TALKED WAS PROBABLY IN THE CAR THERE, ON THE WAY BACK, OR OCCASIONALLY BETWEEN PITCHES. BUT WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON WATCHING THE GAME, SO I THINK WE DID END UP SORT OF HAVING BLINDERS ON AND JUST FOCUSING ON THE FIELD.

Steve says HOW CLOSE, HEIDI, DID YOU COME AT ANY POINT IN THE PROJECT TO SAYING: YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS REALLY IS MORE THAN I HAD COUNTED ON AND LET'S PACK IT IN AND FORGET ABOUT THE REST OF IT?

Heidi says IT WAS GAME 2, I THINK. IT WAS COLD AND IT WAS SNOWING AND I WAS SOAKED, AND THIS GAME NEVER ENDED. IT WAS WINTER AND I THOUGHT I HAVE TO DO THIS 48 MORE TIMES. WHAT DID I JUST SIGN UP FOR? THANKFULLY THE NEXT DAY IT WAS SUNNY AND IT WAS LOVELY. YEAH, IT DID GET... IT WAS REALLY FUN BUT IT WAS A LOT OF WORK AND WE WERE BOTH WORKING FULL-TIME AT THE SAME TIME, SO THIS WAS ALL SORT OF EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS AND JUGGLING ALL THOSE THINGS WAS COMPLEX. YEAH, I THINK THAT SECOND GAME I REALLY WAS WONDERING. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER ONE GAME WE SAW ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT GAMES IN A WEEKEND AND ONE GAME I JUST THOUGHT, I HAVE NO THOUGHTS LEFT ON THIS SPORT. BUT I THINK THAT'S... YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO BE WORK, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO REALLY SORT OF PUT YOURSELF INTO IT AND MAKE A DECISION TO BE THERE AND BE PRESENT, SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.

Steve says WELL, DALE, THERE IS THE NOTION THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE THAT THEY WON'T PLAY A SONG THAT THEY LOVE TOO MUCH BECAUSE YOU CAN PLAY IT TOO MUCH AND EVENTUALLY GET SICK OF IT AND NEVER WANT TO HEAR IT AGAIN. DO YOU EVER WORRY ABOUT THAT WITH BASEBALL?

Dale says IT'S FUNNY YOU ASK THAT. A FRIEND OF MINE AT WORK SAID EXACTLY THE SAME THING TO ME. AND I SAID BASEBALL IS MORE LIKE MUSIC, AND EVERY GAME IS LIKE A DIFFERENT ALBUM. BECAUSE YOU SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT EVERY BASEBALL GAME YOU'RE AT. SO I DON'T GET TIRED OF IT BECAUSE IT TO ME IS INFINITELY VARIOUS. AND I SEE SOMETHING NEW AT THE PARK EVERY GAME.

Steve says NOW, HEIDI, YOU TWO MADE AN OBSERVATION IN THE BOOK THAT HAD NEVER OCCURRED TO ME BEFORE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S TRUE SO I WANT TO PUT IT TO YOU. YOU MADE THE OBSERVATION THAT FANS TRULY, REALLY, ONLY WANT TO SEE THEIR TEAM HIT AND NOT PITCH. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT?

Heidi says WELL, ACTUALLY, I THINK OUR FRIEND GREG MADE THAT OBSERVATION AND I WROTE IT DOWN.

Steve says OKAY.

Heidi says BUT IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE WANT TO SEE HOME RUNS AND THEY WANT TO SEE THEIR TEAM SCORE, BUT PITCHING IS MUCH MORE... I MEAN, IT'S WHETHER YOU WANT OFFENCE OR DEFENCE. AND PITCHING, I THINK, ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED ABOUT IT IS HOW INTERESTING THAT SORT OF PART OF THE GAME WAS AND HOW COMPLEX THAT WAS. AND SOMETIMES THAT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE AT A DISTANCE AND IT'S CERTAINLY NOT AS CROWD PLEASING, YOU KNOW, A GREAT CURVEBALL ISN'T AS AMAZING TO MOST PEOPLE AS A HOME RUN OR A GRAND SLAM OR ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO, YEAH, I THINK IT WAS AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION THAT GREG HAD MADE.

Steve says MM-HMM. YOU KNOW, I USED TO WORK FOR A GUY AT TVO NAMED PETER WHO WAS THE CHAIR AND CEO BACK IN THE 1990s, AND HE USED TO SAY, WHEN I WANT A SPORTS EXPERIENCE THAT IS A BIG KIND OF ASSAULT ON YOUR SENSES, ROCK 'N' ROLL, LOTS OF LOUD MUSIC, I'LL TAKE MY SON TO A RAPTORS' GAME. BUT IF I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN MY DAUGHTER'S LIFE, I WILL TAKE HER TO SEE A BLUE JAYS GAME. AND, DALE, I PRESUME, AFTER DOING 50 GAMES IN ONE SUMMER, I PRESUME YOU GET THAT, RIGHT?

Dale says OH, ABSOLUTELY. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT BASEBALL IS THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR REFLECTION. THERE ARE PAUSES. IF YOU GO WITH FRIENDS AND YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE NOTES FOR A BOOK, YOU CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER. IT'S A MORE LEISURELY PACE GAME. AND I'M EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. IF I WANT THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE, I'LL GO SEE THE PISTONS. BUT IF I WANT SOMETHING THAT I CAN TALK TO THE PEOPLE I'M WITH AND BE ALONE WITH MY THOUGHTS, I'LL TAKE BASEBALL EVERY TIME.

Steve says HEIDI, CAN I GET YOU ON THAT TOO? I FIND THAT IS CERTAINLY THE CASE, THAT BASEBALL IS A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FROM ANY OTHER SPORTING EVENT BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE PERSON YOU'RE WITH, AND IN FACT THAT'S IN SOME WAYS THE MOST MEMORABLE PART OF THE EXPERIENCE. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Heidi says YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS HOW OFTEN WE BROUGHT PEOPLE WITH US TO THE GAME, HOW EVEN IF THEY WEREN'T PHYSICALLY WITH US, WE SORT OF HAD THESE PRESENCES THERE. LIKE DALE SAID, THERE'S A BUILT-IN CONTEMPLATION, THERE'S A BUILT-IN TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND TO ME, I THINK I LIKE BASEBALL FOR THE SAME REASON I LIKE READING FICTION. YOU'RE ALWAYS THINKING WHAT'S COMING UP NEXT. WHAT'S THE NEXT MOVE? WHERE COULD THIS GO? WHAT ARE ALL THE POSSIBILITIES? SO IT HAS THAT SORT OF NARRATIVE IN IT. AND YOU'RE ALL WATCHING IT TOGETHER AND YOU'RE ALL THINKING ABOUT, OH, IS HE GOING TO STRIKE OUT? IS HE GOING TO HIT A HOME RUN? ARE THEY GOING TO GO AHEAD? YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY POSSIBILITIES. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE SPORT IS THAT POSSIBILITY AND SHARING THAT WITH OTHER PEOPLE FOR SURE.

Steve says HEIDI, I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THIS VERY CRUCIAL, IMPORTANT QUESTION, WHICH YOU DO TOUCH ON IN THE BOOK, AND THAT IS: HOW MANY TIMES SINCE YOU DID THE 50 GAMES HAVE YOU PUT YOUR WATER BOTTLE IN YOUR BAG WITHOUT TIGHTENING THE LID?

Heidi says NEVER. NEVER.

[LAUGHTER]

Steve says WHY IS THAT?

Heidi says YOU JUST DO IT ONCE. AS MY FRIEND ALEX SAID. YOU JUST DO IT ONCE AND, YEAH.

Steve says YOU DID IT ONCE AND WHAT WERE THE CONSEQUENCES THAT ONE TIME?

Heidi says YEAH, I HAD A BOOK BAG FULL OF WATER RIGHT BEFORE A CLASS OR SOMETHING. IT WAS A BIT OF A DISASTER. YEAH, NO. I DOUBLE-CHECK, TRIPLE-CHECK NOW.

Steve says GOOD FOR YOU. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO LEARN THESE LESSONS.

Heidi says YEAH.

Steve says I WANT TO ASK YOU, DALE, THERE'S THIS SONG THAT I REMEMBER SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS WERE IN THE WORLD SERIES AND THEY PLAYED THIS SONG OVER AND OVER AGAIN, DON'T STOP BELIEVIN'. AND THERE'S THIS LYRIC IN THE SONG, JUST A CITY BOY BORN AND RAISED IN SOUTH DETROIT. IT WASN'T UNTIL, DALE, I READ YOUR BOOK THAT I CAME TO REALIZE, WHERE IS SOUTH DETROIT ANYWAY?

Dale says WE ALWAYS SAY SOUTH DETROIT IS WINDSOR.

Steve says THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE IT IS SOUTH!

Dale says WE'RE SOUTH. DETROIT ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT IT'S EAST SIDE AND WEST SIDE. NOBODY EVER TALKS ABOUT NORTH SIDE OR SOUTH SIDE OF DETROIT. SO WE ALWAYS SAY WE'RE SOUTH DETROIT. ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THE TUNNEL, YOU'RE IN WINDSOR, YOU'RE IN SOUTH DETROIT.

Steve says MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO NORTH FROM DETROIT TO GET TO... NO, EXCUSE ME. THE OTHER WAY AROUND. DETROIT IS NORTH OF WINDSOR. YOU WANT TO GO TO DETROIT FROM WINDSOR, YOU'VE GOT TO GO NORTH. WHICH SOUNDS BASS ACKWARDS, BUT THERE YOU GO. THAT'S HOW IT IS. HEIDI, HOW MANY BALL PARKS HAVE YOU GONE TO AND WHICH IS YOUR FAVOURITE?

Heidi says OH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY I'VE BEEN TO. DALE COULD PROBABLY GUESS MORE. I'D HAVE TO SAY COMERICA. IT'S SORT OF LIKE, I GUESS, BABY DUCKS IMPRINTING. THAT'S WHERE I REALLY LOVED BASEBALL AND WHERE I LEARNED TO WATCH IT. I LOVE SITTING IN THE UPPER DECKS AND LOOKING AT THE DETROIT SKYLINE. I LOVE THAT. THAT WOULD BE MY ANSWER FOR SURE.

Steve says DALE, HOW ABOUT YOU? HOW MANY HAVE YOU BEEN TO AND WHICH IS YOUR FAVOURITE?

Dale says I THINK I'VE BEEN TO ABOUT HALF OF THE CURRENT PARKS, SO 15 OR 16. WRIGLEY IS STILL MY FAVOURITE. I WILL GO THERE AS MANY TIMES AS I CAN. I LOVE COMERICA, THOUGH. IT'S HOME. BUT WRIGLEY IS... WRIGLEY IS A GREAT PLACE TO SEE A BALL GAME.

Steve says WELL, I HATE TO BREAK THE NEWS TO BOTH OF YOU BUT AS YOU CAN TELL FROM MY TIE, YOU'VE BOTH GIVEN THE WRONG ANSWER. THE CORRECT ANSWER IS AMERICA'S MOST BELOVED BALLPARK, AND THAT IS FENWAY IN BOSTON. YOU'VE BEEN THERE, RIGHT?

Heidi says NO.

Dale says NEVER.

Steve says ONCE YOU GO YOU'LL KNOW I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG. GET ON THAT THIS SUMMER. NOW, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE, DALE, TO GO TO ANY BALL GAMES YET THIS YEAR?

Dale says NOT THIS YEAR. WITH THE BORDER CLOSED AND LOCALLY THEY HAVEN'T STARTED PLAYING BASEBALL AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO YET. THAT'S STILL UP IN THE AIR. SO, NO, I HAVEN'T... THE LAST TIME I WAS AT A GAME WAS AUGUST OF 2019.

Steve says HEIDI, SAME FOR YOU, AUGUST 2019, LAST TIME?

Heidi says I THINK I WAS MAY 2019. SO, YEAH, NO, WE HAVEN'T BEEN FOR A WHILE. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE... I WILL ADMIT, WE HAVE GONE TO THE BALLPARK AND JUST SAT AND IMAGINED A BALL GAME HERE AND THERE. BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT, YEAH.

Steve says IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.

Heidi says THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING.

Steve says WELL, WHICH I GUESS LEADS TO THE NEXT QUESTION. HEIDI, WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE BASEBALL MOVIE OF ALL TIME?

Heidi says IT'S GOT TO BE LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN FOR SURE. WHICH HAS THE BEST LINE, OF COURSE, THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASEBALL. WHICH I LOVE BECAUSE OF COURSE THERE'S ALWAYS CRYING IN BASEBALL. USUALLY BY MEN. SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT FILM. SAND BLOT IS A CLOSE SECOND.

Steve says AS WE SIT HERE TAPING THIS RIGHT NOW, THERE WAS A GUY FOR THE PHILLIES WHOSE FIRST HOME RUN IN HIS CAREER AND IT WAS A WALK-OFF HOME RUN THAT GAVE THE PHILLIES THE WIN. IN A SPORT WHERE APPARENTLY THERE IS NO CRYING IN BASEBALL, HE BAWLED HIS EYES OUT WHEN HIS FAMILY CAME ON THE FIELD TO SEE HIM. THAT WAS A LOVELY MOMENT, I HAVE TO SAY. DALE, YOUR FAVOURITE BASEBALL MOVIE?

Dale says FOR ME IT IS BULL DURHAM. IT HAS MY FAVOURITE LINE ABOUT BASEBALL AND THAT IS, I BELIEVE IN THE CHURCH OF BASEBALL, SUSAN SARANDON.

Steve says YOU TWO BOTH HAVE OBVIOUSLY TOO MUCH OF A SENSE OF HUMOUR. FOR ME IT'S "THE NATURAL." THERE'S NOTHING FUNNY ABOUT IT BUT SOMETHING MYSTICAL AND LOVELY ABOUT THAT MOVIE. WE AGREE TO DISAGREE. THAT'S FINE. NOW, I GUESS BECAUSE YOU'VE WRITTEN THIS BOOK ABOUT BASEBALL, I'M OBLIGED TO ASK YOU: YOU DID THIS TOUR IN 2018; RIGHT?

Heidi says MM-HMM.

Dale says YES.

Steve says THE BOOK IS BASED ON YOUR ENCOUNTERS WITH BASEBALL IN 2018. DALE, DO YOU REMEMBER WHO WON THE WORLD SERIES THAT YEAR?

Dale says IN '18? NO, I DON'T, ACTUALLY.

Steve says IT'S TAKING YOU THIS LONG TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

Dale says I DON'T.

Steve says SHOULD I GIVE YOU A LITTLE HINT HERE?

Dale says I BET IT'S THE RED SOX, ISN'T IT?

Steve says HOW DID YOU EVER COME UP WITH THAT. HOW DID YOU EVER MANAGE THAT? HEIDI, WE DEAL WITH EMPIRICALLY PROVABLE FACTS ON THIS PROGRAM, SO I NEED TO ASK YOU, WHICH IS EMPIRICALLY PROVABLY THE TEAM OF THE 21ST CENTURY IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL?

Heidi says I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SEEN THEM YET. I WILL HAVE TO GO WITH DETROIT, REALLY.

Steve says NO, I'M SORRY, THAT IS THE INCORRECT ANSWER. WE WERE LOOKING FOR BOSTON RED SOX BECAUSE THEY HAVE WON FOUR WORLD SERIES IN THE 21ST CENTURY COMPARED TO THE TIGERS', UH, HOW MANY WOULD THAT BE? HOW MANY HAVE THEY WON IN THE 21ST CENTURY?

Heidi says IT'S ONLY THE FIRST 21 YEARS. WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

Dale says WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.

Steve says THAT'S TRUE. WE CAN REVIEW THE NEXT 80 YEARS AND WE'LL DO THAT IN 80 YEARS.

Heidi says WE'RE IN FOR THE LONG GAME HERE.

Steve says YOU GOTTA BE. NOW, I WANT TO THANK YOU TWO FOR JOINING US ON THE PROGRAM TONIGHT AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AS WELL FOR BRINGING OUT YOUR WHUPPING STICKS. ANOTHER EXPRESSION, HEIDI, I HADN'T HEARD OF BEFORE. WHAT'S A WHUPPING STICK?

Heidi says I HAVE NO IDEA. SOME OLDER MAN WAS SAYING IT AND SOME CHILDREN WERE TRYING TO SAY IT AND THEIR MOTHER WAS UPSET ABOUT IT. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO LEARN.

The caption changes to "Producer: Steve Paikin, @spaikin; Producer: Preeti Bhuyan, @PreetiBhuyan."

Steve says I DID LEARN ABOUT IT IN YOUR BOOK. THAT'S DALE JACOBS AND HEIDI LM JACOBS AND THEIR BOOK IS CALLED, "100 MILES OF BASEBALL: 50 GAMES, ONE SUMMER." YOUR ASSIGNMENT, YOU TWO, IS TO GET TO FENWAY AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT 80 YEARS, OKAY? THAT'S YOUR JOB.

Heidi says WE WILL DO THAT.

Steve says WELL DONE. THANKS SO MUCH, EVERYBODY.

Heidi says THANK YOU.

Dale says THANK YOU.

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