Transcript: A New Leader for the Greens | Oct 30, 2020

Nam sits in the studio. She's in her early forties, with shoulder length curly brown hair. She's wearing glasses, and a black blazer over a spotted blouse, and a black ribbon.

A caption on screen reads "A new Leader for the Federal Greens."

Nam says IT'S HARDER TO LEAD A POLITICAL PARTY WITHOUT HAVING A SEAT IN OFFICE. SO WHEN THE RIDING THAT THE NEWLY-MINTED LEADER OF THE GREEN PARTY OF CANADA RAN IN LAST TIME CAME OPEN, ANNAMIE PAUL LEAPT AT IT. AND ALTHOUGH SHE DIDN'T WIN, SHE MADE HUGE GAINS THIS WEEK, IN THAT TORONTO CENTRE BYELECTION, TO REPLACE FORMER LIBERAL FEDERAL FINANCE MINISTER BILL MORNEAU. AND THAT WAS LESS THAN A FEW WEEKS AFTER WINNING HER PARTY'S TOP JOB, NO LESS. WITH US NOW TO REFLECT ON HER VERY BUSY MONTH OF OCTOBER - AND BEYOND - THERE'S ANNAMIE PAUL IN THE PROVINCIAL CAPITAL.

Annamie is in her thirties, shaven headed. She's wearing a gray blazer.

Nam continues HI, ANNAMIE.

Annamie says HELLO.

Nam says I'M SO EXCITED TO SPEAK TO YOU. YOU KNOW, YOU HAD QUITE A BUSY MONTH. AT THE BEGINNING, YOU WERE CHOSEN TO BE THE FEDERAL LEADER OF THE GREEN PARTY, AND YOU MADE HISTORY AS YOU BECAME THE FIRST BLACK PERMANENT LEADER OF A MAJOR FEDERAL POLITICAL PARTY IN CANADA AND THE SECOND JEWISH PERSON TO LEAD. CAN YOU TAKE US BACK TO THOSE LAST FEW MOMENTS BEFORE YOU FOUND OUT THAT YOU WON AND WHAT IT FELT LIKE WHEN YOU REALIZED THAT YOU DID WIN?

The caption changes to "Annamie Paul. Green Party of Canada Leader."
Then, it changes again to "Byelection aftermath."

Annamie says YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF DRAMA. WE HAD A VERY COMPLICATED SYSTEM WHERE WE WERE GOING TO FIND OUT IF WE HAD WON OR NOT, AND THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT DELAYS, AND FOR A WHILE THERE WE THOUGHT THAT WE HAD LOST. AND SO I WAS JUST WALKING AROUND THE ROOM REASSURING PEOPLE THAT IT WOULD BE OKAY AND LIFE WOULD GO ON. AND WE WERE TAKEN DOWN... WE STILL DIDN'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE RESULTS WHEN OTHERS DID, AND IT WAS EMOTIONAL. YOU KNOW, IT'S DURING COVID. MY MOM WASN'T ABLE TO BE THERE. MY SON WAS NOT ABLE TO BE THERE. SO IT ADDED, I WOULD SAY, SOME ADDITIONAL EMOTION TO THE MOMENT. IT HIT ME JUST FOR ONE LITTLE SECOND AND I DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AFTERWARD BUT THAT SOMETHING HISTORIC HAD HAPPENED, AND THAT WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE HAPPENS, THERE'S THIS LITTLE THING THAT IS CHANGED FOREVER IN CANADIAN POLITICS AND BEING A PART OF THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE THING THAT REALLY HIT HOME AT THAT MOMENT AND IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL FOR.

Nam says YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS AS IF YOU'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS THIS MOMENT YOUR WHOLE LIFE WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR RESUME. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, WHAT DID IT MEAN TO YOU TO MAKE HISTORY?

Annamie says THE FIRST THING I DID AFTER I FINISHED GRADUATE SCHOOL WAS TO COME BACK TO CANADA AND TO FOUND AN INSTITUTE FOCUSED ON ADVANCING KNOWLEDGE AND ALSO GETTING MORE PEOPLE OF COLOUR, PEOPLE FROM MARGINALIZED GROUPS, ELECTED. SO I THINK THAT... YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND MORE THAN MOST WHAT A DIFFERENCE IT MAKES. IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT FEELS GOOD, AND IT DOES FEEL GOOD, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY CHANGES THE POLITICAL LANDSCAPE, IT GETS VOTERS INVOLVED. IT KEEPS OUR DEMOCRACY STRONG. AND SO FOR ME, KNOWING THAT I HAD MADE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T SEEN THEMSELVES REFLECTED TO IMAGINE THEMSELVES IN POLITICS, WHETHER ELECTED OR OTHERWISE. THAT IS WONDERFUL. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE IN CANADA SHOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT. AND I DEFINITELY DO.

Nam says WELL, AFTER YOU BECAME LEADER, THE CAMPAIGNING DIDN'T STOP. YOU JUMPED INTO A BY-ELECTION FOR A SEAT IN TORONTO CENTRE. THAT SEAT HAS BEEN A LIBERAL STRONGHOLD FOR SOME 25 YEARS. WHY TORONTO CENTRE?

The caption changes to "Annamie Paul, @AnnamiePaul."

Annamie says IT'S 27. IT'S BEEN HELD UNINTERRUPTED FOR 27 YEARS. I DESCRIBED IT REALLY AS A MATTER OF THE HEART. I ASKED EVERYONE, WHAT WOULD THEY DO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD RUN PREVIOUSLY IN A RIDING, IF THEY HAD BEEN BORN IN A RIDING AND THEIR FAMILY HAD SPENT MOST OF THEIR WORKING LIFE IN THAT RIDING, AND IF YOU SEE IT IN DECLINE AND IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE YOUR NEW FOUND ROLE TO TRY TO HELP AND TO OFFER A REAL CHOICE, WHAT WOULD YOU DO, YOU KNOW? FOR ME THERE WAS ONLY ONE OPTION AND THAT WAS TO RUN. AND SO I KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE REALLY TOUGH, THE WHOLE TEAM DID, BUT THAT'S NEVER DETERRED GREENS FROM PUTTING THEMSELVES FORWARD. AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO REGRETS ABOUT IT. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

The caption changes to "Watch us anytime: tvo.org, Twitter: @theagenda, Facebook Live, YouTube."

Nam says SEEING YOU DO HAVE A PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE RIDING, HOW DID YOU TAKE THE LOSS THEN?

Annamie says WELL, I... YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO WIN AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW. WE WERE DEFINITELY RUNNING TO WIN. BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE RACE WAS A LOT HARDER, THAT ALL OF THE PARTIES, THE MAJOR PARTIES, HAD TO TAKE IT MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY BECAUSE WE PUT UP A VERY STRONG RACE. YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY COMPETITIVE. IT MEANT THAT EVERYONE NEEDED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE ISSUES. I KNOW THAT IT MEANS, AND I CONGRATULATE MARCIE ON WINNING, BUT I KNOW SHE HAS TO WORK THAT MUCH HARDER BECAUSE PEOPLE IN TORONTO CENTRE SENT A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE THAT THEY DO WANT CHANGE. AND WHOEVER REPRESENTS THEM HAS THAT LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA IMPETUS TO MAKE SURE THEY GET IT. THAT'S ALREADY A WIN FOR PEOPLE IN TORONTO CENTRE EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T WIN.

Nam says WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED WITH HOW POLITICS LOOKS RIGHT NOW AND THE CRITICISM THAT THERE'S A LACK OF CIVILITY IN POLITICS. WHY DID YOU CONGRATULATE MARCI?

Annamie says BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND WHOEVER THEY SELECT, YOU WANT THEM TO SUCCEED. AND MARCI NOW IS SOMEONE WHO IS MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT FOR TORONTO CENTRE AND I WANT HER TO SUCCEED. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF I CAN HELP HER OR VOLUNTEERS WHO LIVE IN TORONTO CENTRE CAN HELP HER, THAT THEY DO. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST GOOD MANNERS. MY FAMILY WERE FROM LITTLE ISLANDS IN THE CARIBBEAN. I WAS BORN HERE BUT THEY'RE FROM LITTLE ISLANDS IN THE CARIBBEAN, AND GOOD MANNERS IS JUST PART OF THE WAY I WAS RAISED. SO...

Nam says WELL, THE NDP AND LIBERALS CHOSE TO RUN CANDIDATES IN THE RACE, IGNORING WHAT IS KNOWN AS LEADER'S COURTESY. YOUR FORMER LEADER, ELIZABETH MAY, CRITICIZED NDP LEADER JAGMEET SINGH SAYING HE WAS BLOCKING YOUR HISTORIC ENTRY INTO THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT?

Annamie says WELL, I UNDERSTAND... YOU KNOW, ELIZABETH IS FIERCE AND WONDERFUL AND CERTAINLY... I WASN'T PART OF THE GREEN PARTY WHEN WE STEPPED ASIDE TO SUPPORT JAGMEET GETTING INTO PARLIAMENT, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT FRUSTRATION THAT SHE AND OTHERS HAVE HAD. I KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE A FULL SLATE OF CANDIDATES. I DID NOT ASK ANY OF THEM TO STEP ASIDE. AND I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE INVOKED IT OVER ALL THE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE WON AND IT SHOWS THAT WE'RE COMPETITIVE EVEN UNDER THE USUAL CIRCUMSTANCES. AND THIS IS SOMEONE WHO HAS MADE HISTORY VERY RECENTLY AND HAD TO KNOCK DOWN A LOT OF BARRIERS TO DO IT. I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET THERE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND, YOU KNOW, NOTHING IS GOING TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.

Nam says DO YOU THINK MAY SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED HERSELF AND LET YOU RUN IN HER RIDING INSTEAD?

Annamie says NO, DEFINITELY NOT. WE'RE ONLY HEADED IN ONE DIRECTION AND THAT IS UP, THAT'S GROWTH. SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO SUBSTITUTE MYSELF FOR AN OUTSTANDING PARLIAMENTARIAN. I'M LOOKING TO JOIN HER AS OPPOSED TO SUBSTITUTING HER. SO, YES. THE PEOPLE IN SAANICH-GULF ISLANDS, THEY LOVE HER. SHE HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. SHE HAS BEEN ELECTED THREE TIMES THERE. NO. I'M DEFINITELY NOT LOOKING TO TAKE HER PLACE THERE.

Nam says WILL YOU TAKE A SHOT SOMEWHERE ELSE IF THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES?

Annamie says WELL, THIS IS... YOU KNOW, THE GREEN PARTY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SETS US APART IS THAT THE LEADER IS NOT THE ONE MAKING ALL OF THE DECISIONS, NOT EVEN ABOUT THEIR OWN LIVES. AND SO IN MY CASE, IT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION EARLY NEXT WEEK, BEGINNING NEXT WEEK, WITH OUR CAUCUS, WITH OUR LEADERSHIP, WITH OUR MEMBERS ABOUT WHERE AND WHEN IT'S GOING TO MAKE SENSE FOR ME TO RUN NEXT. I'LL DEFINITELY HAVE MY THOUGHTS, BUT IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT DECISION FOR THE WHOLE PARTY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE LAY OF THE LAND BEFORE DECIDING AND WE HAVE TO DO IT TOGETHER.

Nam says I KNOW IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE, BUT DOESN'T IT MAKE YOUR JOB HARDER IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SEAT?

The caption changes to "Leading from the outside."

Annamie says IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE, AS YOU SAID. YOU KNOW, IT'S A MIX. IT'S REALLY A MIX. YOU KNOW, THE DAY AFTER THE BY-ELECTION, ON THE ONE HAND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I WISHED THAT I WAS GOING TO OTTAWA, I WISHED THAT I WAS GOING TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS OF TORONTO CENTRE. IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE NICE TO BE WITH MY CAUCUS. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND THERE'S STILL A LOT OF BUILDING TO DO. YOU KNOW, WE'RE A MAJOR PARTY. BUT IN SOME WAYS WE'RE STILL A STARTUP. SO HAVING THE FREEDOM AND FLEXIBILITY NOT TO HAVE TO WORK AROUND COMMITTEE WORK AND OTHER PARLIAMENTARY WORK OR CONSTITUENCY WORK, THAT ALSO HAS SOME ADVANTAGES AS WELL. SO EITHER WAY, I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE MOST OF IT AND I'LL DEFINITELY FIND A LOT OF WAYS TO BUILD THE PARTY UNTIL I GET A SEAT.

Nam says JUST TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT. DON'T YOU THINK, THOUGH, THAT YOU NOT HAVING A SEAT THERE IS GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR YOU, YOUR ABILITY TO HOLD THE GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABLE?

Annamie says WELL, WE HAVE A CAUCUS, AND THEY'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF THAT, AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WE MEET A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK TO TALK ABOUT OUR POSITIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE, OUR STATEMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE, AND ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES FOR THE GREEN PARTY OF HAVING A LEADER THAT IS IN TORONTO IS I HAVE MUCH MORE READY ACCESS TO THE MEDIA THAN ELIZABETH DID OUT IN B.C., AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THREE, FOUR HOURS AWAY FROM OTTAWA. IF I EVER NEED TO HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE THERE. SO I HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR VOICE IS HEARD, OUR VIEWS ARE HEARD, EVEN IF I'M NOT IN PARLIAMENT. AND OF COURSE PARLIAMENT ISN'T FUNCTIONING IN THE WAY IT NORMALLY DOES IN ANY CASE BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

Nam says ELIZABETH MAY WAS LEADER FOR 14 YEARS. HAS SHE GIVEN YOU ANY ADVICE ABOUT YOUR ROLE, YOUR NEW ROLE?

Annamie says SURE. AND HAVING HER THERE IS JUST A HUGE BENEFIT. NOT ONLY WAS SHE THE LEADER FOR SO MANY YEARS, BUT SHE HAS SUCH AN EXTRAORDINARY WEALTH OF INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE ABOUT PARLIAMENT, ABOUT ITS PROCEDURES, AND SO HAVING HER THERE, HAVING HER BE OUR PARLIAMENTARY LEADER UNTIL I'M ABLE TO GET IN IS SUCH A BONUS. AND WE'RE IN REGULAR TOUCH. AS I SAID, I SPEAK WITH THE CAUCUS EVERY COUPLE OF DAYS, AND I MADE IT VERY CLEAR TO ELIZABETH I'M GOING TO KEEP TAPPING INTO THAT KNOWLEDGE BASE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN. AND I KNOW SHE WANTS TO RUN IN THE NEXT ELECTION AS WELL, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FOR A LONG TIME.

Nam says WELL, BEFORE YOUR WIN, IN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE TORONTO STAR, MAY SAID THAT SHE WOULDN'T RULE OUT RUNNING AGAIN AS LEADER AND ALSO SAID... AND ALSO SAID THE GREEN PARTY IS DEFINED BY THE GRASS ROOTS FORMATIONAL POLICY AND THERE ARE NO WHIPPED VOTES IN PARLIAMENT. THE LEADER HAS VERY LITTLE SCOPE TO SET POLICY AND WON'T BE ABLE TO DIRECT HER AND THE OTHER TWO GREEN MPS IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. AND THIS IS A QUOTE: YOU'RE THE CHIEF SPOKESPERSON, YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS. IT'S IMPORTANT AGAIN TO NOTE THAT SHE SAID THAT BEFORE YOU WERE SELECTED, SO IT WASN'T DIRECTED AT YOU. BUT NOW THAT YOU'RE LEADER, DOES THAT UNDERMINE YOUR ABILITY TO LEAD THE GREEN PARTY?

The caption changes to "Watch us anytime: tvo.org, Twitter: @theagenda, Facebook Live, YouTube."

Annamie says WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP, AND I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE CORRECT AND THE GREEN PARTY IS A DIFFERENT PARTY. WE WORK BY CONSENSUS. THESE ARE THINGS THAT REALLY WERE INITIALLY OR TRADITIONALLY, HISTORICALLY HAD BEEN A PART OF OUR PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY AND HAS BEEN UNDERMINED OVER TIME. THE LEADER OF THE PARTY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALL THE POWER. THE LEADER OF THE PARTY IS SUPPOSED TO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WORK BY CONSENSUS. WE HAVE A MEMBER BASE AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DRIVE OUR POLICY AND OUR POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. AND SO... THESE ARE THE REASONS I JOINED THE PARTY IN THE FIRST PLACE. I REALLY CELEBRATE THEM. I THINK THEY'RE REALLY HEALTHY FOR THE DEMOCRACY OF OUR PARTY BUT ALSO DEMOCRACY IN GENERAL. AND I'LL TELL YOU, THIS IS HOW GOOD PUBLIC POLICY HAPPENS. IT DOES NOT HAPPEN WHEN ALL THE IDEAS AND ALL THE INITIATIVES COME FROM JUST ONE PERSON.

Nam says WHAT WILL BE YOUR TOP PRIORITY NOW FOR THE GREEN PARTY?

The caption changes to "New priorities."

Annamie says IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE WINNING MORE SEATS. GREENS, WE HAVE AN EXPONENTIAL IMPACT ON POLICY AS IS, BUT EVERY TIME A NEW GREEN IS ELECTED, WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MORE IMPACT, TO BE A BIGGER VOICE IN THE ROOM WHEN DECISIONS ARE TAKEN. WE'RE A POLITICAL PARTY. AND SO MY GOAL REALLY BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT ELECTION IS TO HELP CREATE THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE GOING TO ALLOW US TO WIN MORE SEATS.

Nam says I WANTED TO GO OVER SOME OF YOUR PLAN. AND HERE'S PART OF WHAT YOUR PLAN SAYS.

A slate appears on screen, with the title "Transitioning to a green economy."

Nam reads data from the slate and says
REINFORCE OUR NATIONAL CARBON TAX AND REBATE PROGRAM. INTRODUCE A BORDER CARBON ADJUSTMENT MECHANISM. INVEST IN GREEN RETRO FITS, GREEN TECH, LARGE-SCALE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND CARBON CAPTURE TECHNOLOGY. WHY ARE MARKET-BASED SOLUTIONS THE WAY TO GO?

Annamie says WELL, WE WANT TO... YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF TIME IN TERMS OF TACKLING THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY. IT'S STILL VERY CONCERNING TO ME AND OUR MEMBERS THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS NOT CHOSEN TO IDENTIFY AND FIX TARGETS THAT CORRESPOND TO THE SCIENCE AND TO PUT A PLAN IN PLACE TO GET US THERE. AND SO I'M VERY EXCITED... WHEN I SEE THOSE SLIDES I'M VERY EXCITED BECAUSE WE CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW UNDER OUR EXISTING SYSTEM TO DO SO MUCH IN THE 10 YEARS THAT WE HAVE LEFT TO REALLY REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GASES BY AT LEAST 60 percent. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL INNOVATIVE THINGS. WE HAVE SOME WORLD LEADERS IN CANADA IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS, AND THE GREEN PARTY WANTS TO SEE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. THESE ARE NOT, BY THE WAY, NONE OF THESE ARE EXCLUSIVE. IF THERE ARE NEW STRATEGIES THAT COME ALONG, NEW INNOVATIONS THAT COME ALONG, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE GREEN PARTY. WE'RE READY TO EMBRACE THEM. BUT WE KNOW THAT THOSE THREE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE SOME OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL THINGS WE CAN DO NOW TO TACKLE THE CLIMATE EMERGENCY.

Nam says SOME OF THESE PROPOSALS ARE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE LIBERALS PROMISED IN THEIR RECENT THRONE SPEECH. HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH YOURSELVES FROM THEM?

Annamie says AS I SAID, THE LIBERALS HAVE NO PLAN AND THEY HAVE NO TARGET. YOU CAN'T GET TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING IF YOU DON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE WHERE YOU NEED TO GET. THE LIBERALS DID NOT PROPOSE... AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE COULD NOT SUPPORT THE SPEECH FROM THE THRONE. THE TARGETS THAT THEY HAVE ARE TARGETS THAT THEY INHERITED, THEY'RE 50 percent OF WHAT THEY NEED TO BE TO GET US... GET OUR GREENHOUSE GASES REDUCED TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN PREVENT RUNAWAY WARMING, GLOBAL WARMING. THEY DID NOT PROPOSE A CARBON BORDER ADJUSTMENT. THAT'S A VERY IMPACTFUL INNOVATION THAT WAS NOT IN THERE EITHER. THEIR CARBON TAX IS WONDERFUL AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROPOSED BEFORE THEY DID, BUT OF COURSE THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INCREASING IT AT REGULAR INCREMENTS UNTIL IT PRODUCES ITS EFFICIENCIES, AND THEY DID NOT... THAT WAS ALSO NOT MENTIONED. SO IN ALL OF RESPECTS, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE BULLET POINTS AND YOU LOOK AT OUR CLIMATE TARGETS, THE LIBERALS AND I... WELL, NOT I.

Nam says THE PARTY?

Annamie says THE LIBERALS AND THE PARTY ARE STILL VERY, VERY FAR APART.

Nam says DURING THE CAMPAIGN, YOU TALKED ABOUT EXPERIENCING RACISM AND ANTI-SEMITISM. OF YOUR PARTY, YOU'VE ACTUALLY SAID, THIS IS A QUOTE: THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THE GREEN PARTY HAS WORK TO DO IN ADDRESSING RACISM, ANTI-SEMITISM, SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION IN ALL ITS FORMS. HOW DO YOU MOVE FORWARD IN ADDRESSING THAT IN YOUR OWN PARTY WHILE ALSO NAVIGATING IT DAY TO DAY?

The caption changes to "Combatting discrimination."

Annamie says WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE GREEN PARTY DID WHEN THEY ELECTED ME WAS TO SAY: WE AGREE. WE AGREE THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS DIVERSITY IN PARTICULAR. WE DIDN'T RUN A VERY DIVERSE SLATE OF CANDIDATES, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE LAST ELECTION. AND AS LONG AS I HAVE SOME TIME TO WORK ON THAT WITH OUR MEMBERSHIP AND WITH OUR COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY DO BETTER THE NEXT TIME. EVERYONE... EVERYONE, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, OR ALMOST EVERYONE, IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE OBJECTIVE OF MAKING SURE THAT THE GREEN PARTY REFLECTS THE TRUE DIVERSITY OF CANADA. AND SO THAT WORK I THINK... YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY UNDERWAY AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE, AND I THINK THAT I HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT IN DOING THAT. AND THEN IF WE CAN REFLECT THAT INTERNALLY, THEN IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ENCOURAGE EXTERNALLY AS WELL. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT HAVING SOMEONE THAT LOOKS LIKE ME WITH MY LIVED EXPERIENCE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO MAKE IT EASIER TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND I'M CERTAINLY GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE END UP ON... HERE, I'M GOING TO SAY IT, ON THE AGENDA.
[LAUGHTER]
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IDENTITY POLITICS. IT'S REALLY JUST WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO KEEP OUR DEMOCRACY HEALTHY AND STRONG. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE INVESTED IN BECAUSE WE ALL BENEFIT FROM IT.

Nam says I'M GOING TO SET MY OBJECTIVITY AS A JOURNALIST ASIDE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU'RE THE FIRST BLACK PARTY LEADER IN CANADA AND YOU'RE A WOMAN. SO FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU, IT'S SUCH A... I'M THRILLED. YOU ARE THE FIRST BLACK PERSON TO LEAD A MAJOR PARTY AND YOU'RE THE FIRST JEWISH WOMAN. DO YOU FEEL A CERTAIN PRESSURE TO REPRESENT BOTH OF THOSE COMMUNITIES AS LEADER IN CANADA?

The caption changes to "An historic moment."

Annamie says WELL, FIRST I'LL SAY RIGHT BACK AT YOU, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T GET THE CHANCE TO BE INTERVIEWED VERY OFTEN BY A BLACK WOMAN. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF MOUNTAINS TO CLIMB IN A LOT OF PROFESSIONS THAT REALLY MATTER, YOU KNOW, THAT MATTER, AND THAT HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAY SHAPING THE DIALOGUE. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN BECAUSE I WAS SO FOCUSED ON HOW PROUD I AM OF YOU.

Nam says I'M GOING TO START CRYING.

[LAUGHTER]

Nam says DO YOU FEEL THE PRESSURE TO REPRESENT BOTH COMMUNITIES?

Annamie says I DO. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY FOR YOU OR FOR ME. OUR COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IT'S A DIASPORA AND WE DON'T ALL COME FROM THE SAME PLACE. YOU KNOW, BLACK COMMUNITIES ARE NOT A MONOLITH. WE SAW THAT RECENTLY. WE HAD DR. LEWIS WHO RAN FOR THE CONSERVATIVES AT THE SAME TIME THAT I WAS RUNNING FOR THE GREEN PARTY. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THERE ARE MANY SIGNIFICANT POLITICAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OUR TWO PARTIES, YET THERE WE BOTH WERE. AND SO IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WHETHER I SUCCEED OR FAIL WILL HAVE A LASTING IMPACT ON THE CHANCES OF OTHER WOMEN LIKE MYSELF THAT PUT THEMSELVES FORWARD, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT DOES. AND SO CERTAINLY I DO FEEL THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO DO WELL. I DO FEEL THAT RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S EASIER FOR THE NEXT PERSON. AND I'M GOING TO TRY MY VERY BEST TO DO THAT BECAUSE I DO WANT THIS DOOR TO BE PERMANENTLY OPEN AND, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE. WE HAD A LOT OF FEMALE PREMIERS NOT THAT LONG AGO, MUCH MORE GENDER BALANCED, AND THAT'S GONE. ALL OF OUR PREMIERS NOW, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR PREMIER IN THE TERRITORIES, THEY'RE ALL MEN, THEY'RE ALL WHITE, ALL OF OUR LEADERS SAVE ME AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL OF THE MAJOR PARTIES, THEY'RE ALL MEN. SO WE CAN'T TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT THESE DOORS REMAIN OPEN EVEN ONCE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THEM THE ONE TIME.

The caption changes to "Producer: Colin Ellis, @ColinEllis81."

Nam says WELL, CONGRATULATIONS, AND HOPEFULLY NOW YOU'LL GET SOME REST. MAYBE HAVE SOME CANDY, OVERDOSE ON CANDY THIS WEEKEND. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, ANNAMIE. CONGRATULATIONS.

Annamie says OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S WONDERFUL. I FEEL REALLY AT HOME WITH "THE AGENDA" AND I HOPE YOU'LL INVITE ME BACK AGAIN REALLY SOON.

Nam says DEFINITELY. TAKE CARE.

Annamie says THANK YOU.

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